Confessions of a cyber spy hunter | Eric Winsborrow | TEDxVancouver

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With over 20 years of experience leading high technology companies out of Silicon Valley, Eric has played a part in shaping the industry as an executive at heavyweights like McAfee, Symantec, and Cisco.
Today, he is the CEO of ZanttZ, a company that is developing stealth cyber security technology solutions. Eric and his company are at the forefront of the latest developments in the world of global espionage, and the merging of man and machine. He attests that the Hollywood-created image of the daring secret agent sneaking into a foreign government's laser protected server room to steal top secret information couldn't be further from modern reality. In fact, the "James Bond" of the 21st century doesn't just use a computer, he is the computer.
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  • This is a good video to share with those who are oblivious to the real-world threats we face on the digital battleground.

    @AnthonyGorss@AnthonyGorss4 жыл бұрын
  • That was the most informative TEDx talk I've listened to. Thank you so much.

    @delilahtuxedo6993@delilahtuxedo69932 жыл бұрын
  • This guys "dad jokes" must be epic.

    @javierescontrias@javierescontrias4 жыл бұрын
    • Poor kids :-)

      @AndreasDelleske@AndreasDelleske4 жыл бұрын
    • His dad jokes are dead jokes.

      @curtcoller3632@curtcoller36323 жыл бұрын
    • Oh boy.. just you wait...

      @kentwinsborrow@kentwinsborrow3 жыл бұрын
    • You have no idea man…dinner table jokes are something else

      @naomiwinsborrow7407@naomiwinsborrow74072 жыл бұрын
  • "the youtube"

    @iLaddx@iLaddx9 жыл бұрын
    • As soon as he said it, I scrolled down looking for this comment.

      @Nitsujcm2600@Nitsujcm26009 жыл бұрын
    • It's like the boobtube, but on the internet.

      @YouSunkMyFishy@YouSunkMyFishy9 жыл бұрын
    • Daryl Ladd as soon as I heard that I was looking for this comment

      @turbocrew8039@turbocrew80396 жыл бұрын
    • that moment when you realize your thoughts will already be the top rated comment and just look for the thumbs up on it instead. So yeah, let me save you 20 minutes and save you from becoming dumber..... skip this video. Don't listen to a lecture about technology from a guy that says "the youtube" hint: hes probably from "the iraq"

      @michaelmettie9430@michaelmettie94306 жыл бұрын
    • Daryl _"I don't do the Email"_

      @SLACKLINEDUDE@SLACKLINEDUDE5 жыл бұрын
  • What is sad is that the same technology that does this, could be used to improve life for everyone on the planet. But since we are full of stupidity and greed this is what we have. I am about to hit 50 years old, I saw the internet growing, I saw amazing innovations and was hopefully for the future, and this is what my kids kids, will have.

    @kar351@kar3514 жыл бұрын
    • Yup sir!

      @ShatabdaRoy115@ShatabdaRoy1152 жыл бұрын
  • "Will we ever realise it" made me think of Brave New World in a chilling way

    @soundaddiktion2006@soundaddiktion20065 жыл бұрын
    • Sound Addiktion Me too.

      @jeremybumpermanpub7144@jeremybumpermanpub71444 жыл бұрын
  • 17:27 hes sending hackers to the mirror dimension. dr strange would be proud

    @bobbymorelli9763@bobbymorelli97635 жыл бұрын
  • I really enjoyed this! Such a great balance of humor and information. Sucked me right in! Fascinating!

    @candaceberry6651@candaceberry66512 жыл бұрын
  • Unplugging my GameCube from now on, don't want to get hacked

    @MrSkyTown@MrSkyTown7 жыл бұрын
    • MrSkyTown hahaha wtf

      @eduardoarty1228@eduardoarty12286 жыл бұрын
    • After the vault 7 leak, that doesn't sound so funny anymore does it?

      @finnelhumano6096@finnelhumano60966 жыл бұрын
    • they'll spin that tiny CD so fast it'll break the CD drive.

      @LordJackass@LordJackass5 жыл бұрын
    • Good idea, can't trust those Japanese

      @brisclan7813@brisclan78134 жыл бұрын
    • I already warned you.....do not unplug me.

      @amead5248@amead52484 жыл бұрын
  • Love this guy, wish I had a boss like this!!

    @pharcyde110573@pharcyde1105734 жыл бұрын
    • Propose to him! 😍

      @sdsfgsty@sdsfgsty4 жыл бұрын
  • man I recall all those viruses name from my childhood when I was so obsessed with computer magazines

    @arshaghazie@arshaghazie4 жыл бұрын
  • Thanks, TED 4 sharing.

    @rodkneeellil3905@rodkneeellil39055 жыл бұрын
  • Thanks Eric, for this enlightenment.

    @alexgoslar4057@alexgoslar40574 жыл бұрын
  • new age honeypots is essentially the gist of this talk. The software suite they use is obviously next gen and mind blowing.

    @kn0ck496@kn0ck4966 жыл бұрын
  • He is a very great presenter! Thanks!

    @existencebeyond5398@existencebeyond53984 жыл бұрын
  • "Imagine the fallout" Ahhhh, I see what you did there.

    @SimplySpace@SimplySpace4 жыл бұрын
    • What is da meaning ?...

      @recoveringcatholic4130@recoveringcatholic41303 жыл бұрын
  • Thanks for the real question at the end.

    @amediarts@amediarts4 жыл бұрын
  • I've heard about this secret mission before. I believe there is a full documentary about it.

    @maverick4220@maverick42206 жыл бұрын
  • He never really scratched at the true facts but all he said was very interesting and with humour thumbs up

    @brianmilligan1787@brianmilligan17872 жыл бұрын
  • Wow...thank you Great speaker.🙏✨

    @gsogso3444@gsogso34443 жыл бұрын
  • Wow! A great talk, informative and a little scary with a glimpse into the future. Thanks.

    @tsehampton@tsehampton6 жыл бұрын
  • Fascinating talk....

    @oo-dd3lk@oo-dd3lk5 жыл бұрын
  • "shadow networks" > Honeypots

    @quelorepario@quelorepario7 жыл бұрын
    • its the same thing on a larger scale. better known as honeynets which are made of honeypots. these are just smart honeypots that are linked together. TrapX makes a neat product thatll even replicate PLC equipment and generate bogus event log things so it looks real enough.

      @ryanschafer9034@ryanschafer90347 жыл бұрын
    • Yup, just network of honeypots, nothing neew really. And Stuxnet story has few more very interesting aspects.

      @marcinnawrocki1437@marcinnawrocki14376 жыл бұрын
    • yup except they are programmed to talk to each other☝

      @cyberkidnap6359@cyberkidnap63596 жыл бұрын
    • @@marcinnawrocki1437 such as ?

      @zyeuh2565@zyeuh25655 жыл бұрын
  • What a great presenter! These jokes really kept me engaged lol

    @Calm_Energy@Calm_Energy4 жыл бұрын
  • "Imagin the fallout", I see what you did there, and I love it.

    @jeanayala5239@jeanayala52394 жыл бұрын
    • please explain...

      @therealderekchurch@therealderekchurch4 жыл бұрын
    • @@therealderekchurch if you were to bomb a nuclear reactor there would be "nuclear fallout" in the form of radiation. What he did was a play on words. Because fallout used as a word by itself to explain something means consequences.

      @jameswhite6152@jameswhite61523 жыл бұрын
  • The first virus was written on punch cards in 1968. The internet didn't even exist as we know it today, it was a connection between universities and military so that data could be quickly shared. A collage kid wrote it to see what would happen. And he also wrote the first virus protection program.

    @CaptainSamie@CaptainSamie4 жыл бұрын
  • I remember hearing about the "Michaelangelo" virus when I was playing Oregon Trail , in Elementary school

    @migsfire5912@migsfire59124 жыл бұрын
  • I have for years thought that engine computers at least could alter the spark timing to cause occasional extremely early ignition (and very high cylinder pressure) leading to early mechanical failure. My suspicion dates back to a 1976 Pontiac. At about 6 years of age it began pinging when it had not before. It pinged but with no seeming pattern, and not even 100 octane racing fuel stopped the pinging. We replaced the ignition module, the coil, cap and rotor, all the wires and plugs without any impact. Carbon deposits were the next suspect, but when we pulled the heads it was clean. We did a valve job and installed new springs and vatted the intake manifold. When we put it back together and drove it, the pinging was gone. Then we realized we left the plug that sets the ignition timing to base unplugged, and wouldn't you know it, the pinging came back. We wound up installing a stand-alone MSD system that just used mechanical and vacuum advance. That worked and got better mileage and better acceleration, though both were still awful. It was a 1976 Pontiac 455 (with a pavement-shattering 160hp LoL) after all, but it was still going at about 300k when I lost track of it. Not many '76 engines of any make or model made it much past 100k.

    @jdrissel@jdrissel4 жыл бұрын
    • More mechanics and less digital technology and people will not be able to hack or spy on it, but the future is unfortunately 0% mechanic and 100% digital technology. That's why I always hated these new mobile phones.

      @Bojan-tg2vk@Bojan-tg2vk2 жыл бұрын
  • Great vid!

    @danielrobinson4795@danielrobinson47954 жыл бұрын
  • Excellent Presentation !! Although scary !!!

    @pamcota3451@pamcota34514 жыл бұрын
  • Thank You!

    @shaneksmith1957@shaneksmith19575 жыл бұрын
  • Thank you

    @robertwagner7439@robertwagner74394 жыл бұрын
  • This video is 8 years old and still looks next gen today.

    @apurwamusic@apurwamusic3 жыл бұрын
  • Good ,informative and true

    @hamidnikkhah929@hamidnikkhah9293 жыл бұрын
  • wow excellent presentation

    @natebeattie8945@natebeattie89452 жыл бұрын
  • Excellent!

    @melvinmayfield470@melvinmayfield4702 жыл бұрын
  • I was hoping this guy would say agent 009 is now agent 1001 but eh... wasted opportunities...

    @EXHellfire@EXHellfire7 жыл бұрын
    • Nope, he is top secret. Agent 404.

      @ingebrecht@ingebrecht6 жыл бұрын
    • not found, huh, that one is also good

      @EXHellfire@EXHellfire6 жыл бұрын
    • Said it near the end 001

      @lostspace5811@lostspace58115 жыл бұрын
    • @@lostspace5811 Thats not what he meant. The number 9 in binary code is 1001. 7 would be 0111

      @timmonrf3347@timmonrf33474 жыл бұрын
    • it was double 001 earlier James Pond. it's cutely in binary.

      @bluejay6904@bluejay69044 жыл бұрын
  • A great Ted !

    @jamessmaby8758@jamessmaby87585 жыл бұрын
  • The only way to be 100% sure is to have a physically isolated network. I had a customer that insisted on it. They had two computers on each desk: one was connected to the Internet, and the other was connected to the LAN and server with the ERP system. All USB ports were disabled, and of course, end users were not 'Admins', lol. They never had a problem w the isolated system. Imagine that.

    @user-gv4bf4zx2s@user-gv4bf4zx2s4 жыл бұрын
    • yep. Got that since 2000. 20+ yrs of peace and I'll be dead before they find a way of getting around that 🖕. Meanwhile my son, who grew up with that system, has become a hacker - of course.

      @basicdesign1@basicdesign1 Жыл бұрын
  • Great video!

    @KeithCooper-Albuquerque@KeithCooper-Albuquerque5 жыл бұрын
  • Great knowledge sharing.. And the voice is very clear and bold like some hacker threatening very seriously 😂

    @badriprajapat@badriprajapat10 ай бұрын
  • Ahh I remember the “I love you” hit just as panic died down when it became clear the Y2K bug wasn’t gonna happen

    @PatchedThePipe@PatchedThePipe6 жыл бұрын
  • Actually, he showed how the confluence of man and machine makes us much more susceptible.

    @mst5g826@mst5g8264 жыл бұрын
  • Anyone know what software he is using towards the end of the talk? Some sort of network visualizer?

    @hop3881@hop38814 жыл бұрын
    • You civilians don't get to have that stuff until the machines allow you to.

      @DaveSuperDaveLyon@DaveSuperDaveLyon4 жыл бұрын
  • Interesting how his contention is the subject of Spectre and how boots on the ground defeats "cyber" in the movie.

    @rydmerlin@rydmerlin7 жыл бұрын
  • Excellent Heads UP Glade Guys Like you are on our side

    @divyaboy@divyaboy6 жыл бұрын
    • "our side". Ha. Ha.

      @danieljanecka9492@danieljanecka94923 жыл бұрын
  • what software was he using at the end?

    @sweden5665@sweden56657 жыл бұрын
  • Good speaker.

    @jink6091@jink60916 жыл бұрын
  • What program is being used to show the network here? I am interested in that!

    @552rehtyls@552rehtyls9 жыл бұрын
    • PRISM

      @shepkohler6399@shepkohler63995 жыл бұрын
    • Xavier Grogan Microsoft PowerPoint. It's an illustration modeled after the fact based on network packet captures and log analysis.

      @babybirdhome@babybirdhome4 жыл бұрын
  • Excellent. I want in.

    @americaalwayswins9655@americaalwayswins965510 жыл бұрын
  • Operation "Olympic Games" ??? But DOPED !!!

    @mehrdademami149@mehrdademami1498 жыл бұрын
  • Old School Theory (not uploaded to my channel yet...) counters this threat beautifully!

    @yardmasterswealtheducation8424@yardmasterswealtheducation84244 жыл бұрын
  • Nothing new or groundbreaking in this presentation but a great introduction for the layman.

    @NeedSec@NeedSec11 жыл бұрын
  • What also works instead of espionage? Diplomacy. Sometimes trust is worth more than having a thousand missiles or viruses. But we are taught to defeat the enemy, not befriend him.

    @nilsp9426@nilsp94266 жыл бұрын
  • Next Halloween I'll just skip the usual horror movies and theme thing and I go to the next level. I watch a lecture by Eric Winsborrow

    @alessandrocernuzzi@alessandrocernuzzi4 жыл бұрын
  • i used a securid ... since it changes codes every 30 sec that is tough

    @spaghetti9845@spaghetti98454 жыл бұрын
  • very interesting

    @davidsandford8343@davidsandford83435 жыл бұрын
  • Impressive

    @Larrythebassman@Larrythebassman5 жыл бұрын
  • 2013? holy moley! I wish I this guy's foresight

    @johnsabaku2257@johnsabaku22574 жыл бұрын
  • this was technology back in2013 ,now after 5 years . we are at a way higher RISK

    @lloydjoseph6484@lloydjoseph64846 жыл бұрын
    • China's i-war end game has advanced considerably since this guy gave the talk. They are constantly targeting cellphone networks and other assets.

      @Enonymouse_@Enonymouse_4 жыл бұрын
    • Yeah no way jose

      @roderrickgaming9949@roderrickgaming99494 жыл бұрын
  • Fantastic... Knowledge along with humour.. great

    @prasoonpandey1184@prasoonpandey11846 жыл бұрын
  • @7:12 it's Natanz not Nantaz .

    @Tej517@Tej5174 жыл бұрын
  • Bravo

    @adishamzic8504@adishamzic85044 жыл бұрын
  • Diamonds Are Forever is about computer break in, with an audiocassette ...

    @geoffreylee5199@geoffreylee51995 жыл бұрын
  • The piece just before the conclusion was a non-sequitur ('Licence to kill'). He didn't go anywhere with it.

    @q1w2e3621@q1w2e36219 жыл бұрын
    • He's a bit socially awkward is all.

      @RajSingh-qc6lq@RajSingh-qc6lq6 жыл бұрын
    • yeah idk, I feel like he uses the "licence to kill" in comparison with the "ally" that james bond has today, which is a fake agent that does the job but doesn't reveal actual information - like he explain right before with shadow networks or whatever

      @__-cd9ug@__-cd9ug6 жыл бұрын
    • I guess it’s more his way to say that they are also allowed to engage on the networks which are collecting data from their honeypot/ shadow network. I didn’t do research on this guy, but he seems to have pretty good inside in offensive hacking strategies of the past decade. so why are you thinking his company just uses this defensiv mechanisms he showed during the talk

      @slidhg2247@slidhg22476 жыл бұрын
    • "License to murder ".

      @tombraider77777@tombraider777775 жыл бұрын
  • This guy is brilliant, genius and hilarious.

    @spacemanjames@spacemanjames8 жыл бұрын
  • USB not surprising, I remember I love you and everyone at the company being warned BUT STILL opening it. Uggh, pain for the day.

    @justineb211@justineb2114 жыл бұрын
  • I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if he turned out to be a robot.

    @MrKurisu28@MrKurisu284 жыл бұрын
  • 5:46 DAMN IT! The gyroscope in my phone will burn out and I won't be able to use the compass... XD

    @over00lordunknown12@over00lordunknown125 жыл бұрын
    • Unplugging my GameCube from now on, don't want to get hacked

      @BOT-vk7wq@BOT-vk7wq3 жыл бұрын
  • I don't know why he bothered creating a vision of the future when what he's describing is exactly what Cliff Stoll described in The Cuckoo's Egg.

    @greywolf271@greywolf2716 жыл бұрын
  • As Captain Adama said 'I will not have networked computers on this ship!'. (a lesson from the future).

    @earthman6700@earthman67004 жыл бұрын
  • Do all the Ted talk presenters follow the exact same talk structure ?

    @kizombeiro8130@kizombeiro81305 жыл бұрын
  • "Has technology made our lives better or worse." I would argue that it has made our lives just slightly better. There is still poverty, depression, wars, and now an online mob. Do we really want this technology even more in our lives?

    @crissd8283@crissd82836 жыл бұрын
  • What is this software that hes creating shadow clients and shadow networks?

    @aaronjones2429@aaronjones24294 жыл бұрын
  • Chuck Norris could swim in a desert.

    @andrewe3165@andrewe31657 жыл бұрын
    • Usta surf sand dunes in N.M. !

      @larrytownley2231@larrytownley22315 жыл бұрын
    • When Chuck Norris jumps in the ocean he doesn't get wet. The ocean gets Norris.

      @Calm_Energy@Calm_Energy4 жыл бұрын
    • Mark rober already did that to one of his cousin 😂 Watch his super mario effect

      @yiagi6126@yiagi61264 жыл бұрын
    • There was a time when Chunks Norris could do that, but he's over the hill now.

      @UltimateBargains@UltimateBargains4 жыл бұрын
    • Chuck Norris would have not sped up the centrifuges, he would have sped down earth.

      @donbow450@donbow4504 жыл бұрын
  • the chinese had access for 10 years, huh...that 1 Trillion dollar annual defense budget is really worth the price tag

    @Adawg420@Adawg4204 жыл бұрын
  • …………….absolutely one of the best TEDxTALKS...quality work

    @TheChurchHeydey@TheChurchHeydey4 жыл бұрын
  • The speaker gets a lot wrong and the sloppiness makes me doubt much more. For example, the Melissa/ILoveYou worm of May 2000 was not, as he claimed, the first case of SPAM. First, the first case of SPAM was in 1978 although the term wasn't coined until the mid-1990s. Second, although Melissa used email to spread, it wasn't SPAM. Another example, the Code Red worm hit in mid-July 2001, not after 9/11. A quick consultation with Wikipedia would have revealed these errors. And as others have noted below, his "shadow networks" are collections of "honeypots". Honeypots arose in the 1990s, although I don't know when the threshold was crossed of being populated with enough data to warrant that term. In 2000, there was at least one commercial product designed to facilitate creating custom honeypots by providing the underlying capabilities such as hidden monitoring. I didn't hear anything here that would help an executive be more aware of the threat. It was little more than "Be afraid. Be very afraid."

    @DouglasMoran@DouglasMoran6 жыл бұрын
    • BS: it was a game called TETRIS in 1989.

      @glenngammon4215@glenngammon42154 жыл бұрын
  • It gives me goosebumps whenever i see these kinda videos. But does shadow network relate to dark web??

    @manishahamal950@manishahamal9504 жыл бұрын
    • Manisha Hamal definitely intertwined. 011011010011110101 011000010010111 011 111011100111011100 0100110 0110101001

      @FamesHD@FamesHD4 жыл бұрын
  • A lot of this is incorrect in terms of the Natanz stuxnet attack. The Natanz siemens box was airgapped so it was impossible for stuxnet to phone home, it was programmed to know what to do. Also recently (3 months as of the writing of this comment) it was discovered that stuxnet was delivered via a water pump installed in the facility.

    @kbto@kbto11 күн бұрын
  • One of the best Ted talks

    @francescoquadrio5824@francescoquadrio58244 жыл бұрын
  • This was an EXCELLENT talk on CyberSecurity, wow! Seems simple enough but I would have never thought about enabling network intrusion via the creation of a dummy or "shadow network". Since we aren't in a space where we can re-architecture how networks pass data its an ingenious idea to use a network to trap and direct hackers to make them think they've hit paydirt.

    @deancantave5233@deancantave52334 жыл бұрын
    • believe me its all nonsense 99% of this presentation has no foundation in reality.

      @ebaystars@ebaystars2 жыл бұрын
    • @@ebaystars Then why aren’t you on here presenting your newest discovery?

      @brok3nsec@brok3nsec2 жыл бұрын
    • @@brok3nsec no money in it :-)

      @ebaystars@ebaystars2 жыл бұрын
    • @@ebaystars lol says you.

      @brok3nsec@brok3nsec2 жыл бұрын
    • Dummy

      @AnglandAlamehnaSwedish@AnglandAlamehnaSwedish Жыл бұрын
  • This talk reflect the information that is verifiable in most media. The first this or that is actually the first time journalists spread the new to everybody. The experts know many more earlier examples. Just dig at the right place for counter examples. That doesn't diminish the importance of the talk. I just want to remind people to do a little more research before propagating the facts that are said in this video.

    @moiquiregardevideo@moiquiregardevideo6 жыл бұрын
  • 18:45 In a nutshell: In a virtual world but full of Player versus player, then booted to a world full of npcs with the sprites of the original players.

    @aseeds7785@aseeds77853 жыл бұрын
  • Someone get this man a glass of water

    @drrugee@drrugee4 жыл бұрын
    • Mic at fault.

      @danieljanecka9492@danieljanecka94923 жыл бұрын
  • Feel the freedom with Utopia.

    @sandramattingly5157@sandramattingly51574 жыл бұрын
  • Damn that was a good speech.

    @teddy7746@teddy77465 жыл бұрын
  • ooooo man this dude is sick. Interesting.

    @lifeisgood070@lifeisgood0706 жыл бұрын
  • I Like this Guy

    @yoyoh0neysingh@yoyoh0neysingh3 жыл бұрын
  • if i found a usb stick i would insert it into my virtual machine to check and wipe it. then use it. (the wiping also wipes and replaces the partition table so ALL data is gone, nearly pemenently)

    @blendpinexus1416@blendpinexus14166 жыл бұрын
    • scooter800m None of those things you said are true except that you'd plug it into your computer. Your virtual machine can't access that USB stick until your host operating system has connected and talked to it to tell your VM that it exists in the first place. By the time your VM knows it's there, you've already been pwned. Also, if it's actually a rogue device designed to hack your machine, you're only going to be able to wipe the part that it wants you to think you've wiped, not the part that was put there to infect your machine.

      @babybirdhome@babybirdhome4 жыл бұрын
    • I don't understand why anyone would even take it. They're cheap.

      @rickwrites2612@rickwrites26122 жыл бұрын
  • Never seen people get to upset over someone giving them information. I mean seriously, would you rather be in the dark and blind our whole life? He’s not pushing opinions onto you. He’s simply giving you facts and information. Do with it what you will.

    @Nathan35077@Nathan350776 жыл бұрын
  • It's already happening. Just this morning I went to microwave some soup and when I got it out the bowl was scalding hot to the touch but the soup was still COLD

    @danielescobar7618@danielescobar7618 Жыл бұрын
  • Well, I did realise it and went with it just for fun. Now they got my genetics but... who's tricking who?

    @quintin3871@quintin38714 жыл бұрын
  • Interesting

    @seannave5623@seannave56234 жыл бұрын
  • Nice advertisement hidden as a TED talk...

    @MathewunnamedWeymouth@MathewunnamedWeymouth4 жыл бұрын
  • There is no sound

    @edrieljeffrey@edrieljeffrey3 жыл бұрын
  • "Imagine the fallout"

    @xMasterJuiceX@xMasterJuiceX8 жыл бұрын
    • I liked it. XD He recognizes it's a dad joke and it makes it even funnier.

      @digitalconsciousness@digitalconsciousness3 жыл бұрын
  • Cyberdyne Systems series T-800 Model 101 is already old news.

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