Mouse Cursor History (and why I made my own)

2018 ж. 4 Қар.
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History of the computer mouse cursor, or pointer.
And why I designed my own cursor...
Link to downloads (free) (made in 2018): www.michieldb.nl/other/cursors/
Music: posy.bandcamp.com/
Spotify: open.spotify.com/artist/3zkrm...
Apple Music: / posy
Tracklist of this video:
1 posy.bandcamp.com/track/keep-...
2 posy.bandcamp.com/track/sorry
3 posy.bandcamp.com/track/trans...
4 posy.bandcamp.com/track/let-m...
5 posy.bandcamp.com/track/instr...
6 posy.bandcamp.com/track/uuu
Useful links:
Mother of all demos: www.dougengelbart.org/content/...
History of GUI: arstechnica.com/features/2005...
Check the CSS cursors: css-tricks.com/almanac/proper...

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  • This was my ‘fine, I’ll watch it’ to the KZhead algorithm, and I absolutely do not regret it

    @puzzLEGO@puzzLEGO2 жыл бұрын
    • Yeah same haha. It was actually a very entertaining watch so I’m happy I did succumb to clicking

      @MrMozzie@MrMozzie2 жыл бұрын
    • @@romanskss2 fucking same tbh Edit: It seems like it got deleted. It was like if someone threw their keyboard in a blender

      @NephiylusBaphson@NephiylusBaphson2 жыл бұрын
    • Omg me too 🤣

      @gabrielgraf2521@gabrielgraf25212 жыл бұрын
    • Yes

      @alexsssi1848@alexsssi18482 жыл бұрын
    • Got me too

      @sirflimflam@sirflimflam2 жыл бұрын
  • I love how they only apologetically called it a mouse. It's quite beautiful how animal metaphors force their way into our language

    @TommyLikeTom@TommyLikeTom2 жыл бұрын
    • It made sense at the time and still do so here we are :D

      @MouseGoat@MouseGoat2 жыл бұрын
    • Because hamster 🐹 only has tiny tail

      @mrkitty777@mrkitty7772 жыл бұрын
    • @JM Coulon cats like me eat rats 🤗

      @mrkitty777@mrkitty7772 жыл бұрын
    • @JM Coulon why not? Rats are cute

      @Ten_Thousand_Locusts@Ten_Thousand_Locusts2 жыл бұрын
    • @JM Coulon they don't need *that* much space do they? Well our opinion might not be "mainstream" but it sure is superior, rat gang!

      @Ten_Thousand_Locusts@Ten_Thousand_Locusts2 жыл бұрын
  • I've been using your cursor for pretty much 4 years now and I have to say it fits so perfectly sometimes I forget its custom. Thank you 🙏

    @montydog990@montydog9904 ай бұрын
    • it really feels good enough to be default. Especially the loading hourglass, it fits perfectly into Windows 11

      @minerkey682@minerkey6824 ай бұрын
  • Ah, so this is where this theme came from. I actually have it set on Linux (it became popular on the KDE store very quickly). I had no idea it came from a KZhead video, of all places. Incredible job! You actually took time to study past cursors before making your own, and the quality really shows in the final product. I respect that quite a lot!

    @rapidreaders7741@rapidreaders7741 Жыл бұрын
    • Bruh no way. How long has it been there? Don’t use KDE but I commented on here that it should be the DE’s default 4 months ago.

      @protocetid@protocetid Жыл бұрын
    • That's one of the basis of design: search and study what's been done before so you can then make your own :P

      @Metzli@Metzli Жыл бұрын
    • Any idea what it's called on KDE? I'll look for myself when I can but I won't be at my computer for a bit

      @rvmiv_@rvmiv_ Жыл бұрын
    • @@rvmiv_ Posy's Cursor I believe

      @mossy_6475@mossy_6475 Жыл бұрын
    • @@patchiezero ???

      @rainbowsilhouettes@rainbowsilhouettes8 ай бұрын
  • “This was possible in XP but was somehow only now done” That was the internal motto when I worked at Microsoft

    @askhowiknow5527@askhowiknow55272 жыл бұрын
    • Longhorn moment

      @splitwirez@splitwirez2 жыл бұрын
    • How do you know

      @MemeMorto@MemeMorto2 жыл бұрын
    • "New Windows 11 now has rounded corners on windows!" "This was possible in Windows XP, but somehow only now done (since then)."

      @nixel1324@nixel13242 жыл бұрын
    • @@MemeMorto he motherfucking worked there!

      @HandledToaster2@HandledToaster22 жыл бұрын
    • @@nixel1324 if they change side of quit, maximise and minimise the windows then... I really believe this company was founded just to control the society xD

      @takcus@takcus2 жыл бұрын
  • I think the angled arrow makes sense as it's less likely to line up with lines on the screen, improving visibility

    @zwenkwiel816@zwenkwiel8162 жыл бұрын
    • I think it also makes it harder to pinpoint exactly where you'll click at. Visually, I think it looks better, though.

      @lucasrepolho@lucasrepolho Жыл бұрын
    • That plus, movement is easier to see. I think thats why they chose the tilted arrow. Diagonal: movement, like someone tilted before running Vertical: Stationnary, like a building Horizontal: Calm, like the horizon of an empty sea

      @Project229@Project229 Жыл бұрын
    • @Gernot Schrader Vertical has the advantage to make it easier to aim in between text to select it.

      @Project229@Project229 Жыл бұрын
    • Maybe it mimics the visual you get when you point your finger. When you point at something in front of you, your finger doesn't line up vertically, it stays at an angle in your perspective.

      @barroslucasc@barroslucasc Жыл бұрын
    • @@Project229 But for doing that, the application should have selected the I-beam cursor. If the arrow cursor is still there when selecting text - that's a bug.

      @SteveBakerIsHere@SteveBakerIsHere Жыл бұрын
  • ah the era of everything being beveled, rounded, with a gradient and a shadow also I love these tiny details actually being cared about. graphic design can get super deep and nitpicky it's fun

    @sepiasmith5065@sepiasmith5065 Жыл бұрын
  • This video just showed up randomly on my feed, and after seeing it I have instantly installed your custom cursor. I've been using it for over 9 months now and it has greatly enhanced my Windows experience. The rainbow hourglass is a piece of art and so much better than the blue spinning circle! The window arrows and the cursor itself are so clear and it makes everything easier; even the text select line is helpful for hundreds of pages I have written in this past period. It was absolutely a life changing decision to shift to your custom cursor!

    @matejabokan9737@matejabokan9737 Жыл бұрын
    • My thoughts exactly 💯

      @DrSpaceman69@DrSpaceman693 ай бұрын
  • Might be worth mentioning the fact that Apple started making their cursor change scale as you use it, specifically it gets bigger when you shake it around quickly. This makes it easier to identify where the cursor is in case you forget where you left it.

    @thomaskaldahl196@thomaskaldahl1962 жыл бұрын
    • Something I miss in Windows, despite using Windows more

      @tech6hutch@tech6hutch2 жыл бұрын
    • @@tech6hutch I haven't used Windows in a while; do they still have that accessibility option where whenever you press -Alt- Control, an animated circle appears around your cursor for easy identification?

      @thomaskaldahl196@thomaskaldahl1962 жыл бұрын
    • @@thomaskaldahl196 I believe they do, but I completely forgot about it

      @tech6hutch@tech6hutch2 жыл бұрын
    • @@thomaskaldahl196 It's when you press ctrl.

      @abclop99@abclop992 жыл бұрын
    • @@thomaskaldahl196 ctrl*

      @QuantumScratcher@QuantumScratcher2 жыл бұрын
  • The tilted arrow makes perfect sense to me - most interface elements and characters are vertical-horizontal in nature, so having the pointer at an angle makes it stand out more. I've lost the "I beam" text cursor so many times in word processors over the years, when the tilted arrow would be readily obvious.

    @AnonymousFreakYT@AnonymousFreakYT Жыл бұрын
    • They should change the I beam to a slanted design.. like italic font

      @getvictored1737@getvictored1737 Жыл бұрын
    • I always felt that was more related to how thin that cursor is.

      @IoIxD@IoIxD Жыл бұрын
    • I don't lose it because I change my cursor color

      @eliyaskiya@eliyaskiya Жыл бұрын
    • My I beam pulses blue so I don't lose it. Very useful!

      @aspenpaw0@aspenpaw0 Жыл бұрын
    • make sure how you want to make you

      @koeikakusti112@koeikakusti11210 ай бұрын
  • The angle of the tilt is something I noticed being super important whenever a game had a default cursor that was even slightly off It was always so difficult to get used to, especially when at this point your spatial awareness ability of even using the cursor is so deeply ingrained from years of using one, that you definitely have to be new to computing to get used to any other way of drawing your eye and spatial intent to that point The straight upwards pointing arrow is always the worst for me, but being even slightly off on the standard angle weirds me out

    @alexbenavidez4500@alexbenavidez4500 Жыл бұрын
  • While watching this video I kept glancing over at my curser where I left it sitting just to the right of the video. You basically had me thinking about something that I normally take for granted, and it was fascinating to hear about how something so small and common evolved over time (and how it could still change!).

    @Kashanta@Kashanta Жыл бұрын
  • I love the fact that the original apple cursor is EXACTLY the same as the current one, just a bit more pixel-y.

    @hw2007@hw20072 жыл бұрын
    • Yeah. Making it black was also quite clever, since every modern program and website interface has a white background by default. So the black cursor improved visibility on an otherwise white background. Same reason why Xerox made it white on an otherwise black background. Microsoft just copied Xerox without putting any thought into it :D

      @moritzh5795@moritzh57952 жыл бұрын
    • @@moritzh5795 now days most applications have black backgrounds, so it came full circle.

      @viniciusfornagieropereira9717@viniciusfornagieropereira97172 жыл бұрын
    • @@viniciusfornagieropereira9717 Yeah maybe back when dark mode wasn't as common I would consider a black cursor, but nowadays I would never.

      @Greenleaf_@Greenleaf_2 жыл бұрын
    • @@Greenleaf_ I still prefer black cursor on my mac because white outline looks cool. That being said windows black cursor is awful

      @r033cx@r033cx2 жыл бұрын
    • Not only more pixel-y but also more pixel-x! _I'll let myself out_

      @MisterPaulch@MisterPaulch2 жыл бұрын
  • Been using your cursor ever since I saw this video, and I never want to go back. A wonderful design that actually upgrades the OS experience.

    @DanielTGaming@DanielTGaming2 жыл бұрын
    • hi

      @qbcd@qbcd2 жыл бұрын
    • @@qbcd bye

      @alvaro.makes.music1@alvaro.makes.music1 Жыл бұрын
    • This video randomly reappeared in my recommendations, and I came to say the same. I've had his icon pack installed since the video came out in 2018. I love them!

      @jordanettinger@jordanettinger Жыл бұрын
    • how do you get it?

      @bumblebee7508@bumblebee7508 Жыл бұрын
    • @@bumblebee7508 Link's in the video description.

      @jordanettinger@jordanettinger Жыл бұрын
  • 14:44 This shot of Doug Engelbart "looking" at a modern mouse cursor is surprisingly beautiful

    @joeyscerbo7776@joeyscerbo77765 ай бұрын
    • ikr

      @luminite8545@luminite85454 ай бұрын
  • This was an absolutely beautiful video. Music, voiceover, editing, information; everything is quality. Can't believe I'm finding it 4 years later. Well done, man.

    @L33TH4XM8@L33TH4XM8 Жыл бұрын
  • How in the world do you have only 4.38k subs and only a 100k views on this video? the narrative, the pace, the witty jokes here and there. This was one of the most engaging videos I've EVER watched. And I'm so sad to see this has gone unnoticed Edit: Update? whatever: Just came back here after watching his newest video. It hit 1m! Guess we got the sail to finally catch some wind. Man this makes me so happy! Let’s gooooo!!!

    @M2433N@M2433N2 жыл бұрын
    • Just discovered this guy, his channel is insanely underrated. Every time I watch one of his videos I think "hmm, yeah I bet this video has millions of views" then I look at the view count and it's so insanely low for the quality!

      @Mr.Meme01@Mr.Meme012 жыл бұрын
    • Last night I found this and he had 7k subscribers. Now, less than 24 hours later, he has 12k. Thanks algorithm...

      @phs125@phs1252 жыл бұрын
    • @@Mr.Meme01 same

      @ThunderDraws@ThunderDraws2 жыл бұрын
    • @@phs125 seems like his channel is getting pushed now! really good that it is getting attention though since these videos are so damn good

      @ThunderDraws@ThunderDraws2 жыл бұрын
    • it's all done by evil and satanic youtube algorithm.

      @NadDew@NadDew2 жыл бұрын
  • I like your cursor designs. I didn't think I would, but I especially like the rainbow hourglass. Somehow modern and fresh despite it being an hourglass. My only, and very minor criticism would be the text selector. It needs to be a pixel skinnier, maybe. If I'm not paying attention, it can obscure things like periods or commas. It is, however, nice and visible, so I'm not lost on that one. Great job! It's my new default.

    @Chiphunk@Chiphunk5 жыл бұрын
    • yeah i agree

      @omokok1877@omokok18774 жыл бұрын
    • Yeah

      @RazzleBloq@RazzleBloq2 жыл бұрын
    • they look like something from windows 11

      @aatishkhank4a444@aatishkhank4a4442 жыл бұрын
    • Full stops?

      @SproutyPottedPlant@SproutyPottedPlant2 жыл бұрын
    • @@SproutyPottedPlant there are different names for periods or full stops it’s a linguistic thing they both are the same

      @gordonlo533@gordonlo5332 жыл бұрын
  • I made my own cursors too, but it was totally for personalizing and uniqueness sake, I didnt know cursors had this much history. Thank you, you've inspired me.

    @anormaluser5750@anormaluser5750 Жыл бұрын
    • What program did you use? I’ve had so much trouble finding a decent software

      @24shineon@24shineon Жыл бұрын
    • @@24shineon I haven't tried it for cursors, but aseprite is excellent for pixel art. It would probably work

      @pigggy2313@pigggy231311 ай бұрын
    • @@24shineon i wish i remembered what program i used to edit some cursors. but yea it was a pixel editor basicaly i think i found it on google or duckduckgo "how to edit .cur files"

      @nightmarerex2035@nightmarerex20355 ай бұрын
    • So did I.. Lmao this video kills me.. this guy pretends like nobody ever made their own cursors and made them available as a download to everyone. Quite a lot of people did and they did better than this guy.. also that rainbow hourglass is dumb

      @beardsntools@beardsntools4 ай бұрын
  • Not something I expected to actually notice or care about, but these cursor designs are legit. They're thoughtful and an improvement. Great video to recap the process. Glad you did that!

    @michaelnelson2976@michaelnelson2976 Жыл бұрын
  • That rainbow hourglass is a masterpiece! Dude, I'm so glad that you are sharing your stuff so we can use it.

    @TommyCrosby@TommyCrosby Жыл бұрын
  • I like how you drew the wrong finger at 11:15 xD

    @pac-mib@pac-mib2 жыл бұрын
    • No he was inspired by gta v

      @mackie219Extra@mackie219Extra Жыл бұрын
  • I've been using this cursor for two or 3 years now and I'm not sure what I would do without it. I absolutely love it!! Amazing work!

    @gropaygrapay@gropaygrapay5 ай бұрын
  • Thanks, Posy! Recently discovered your channel but love it! Both my parents are in graphic design so this all feels very close and comforting to me, you're so elegant in how you describe these simple things that make such a huge impact in everyone's lives. I have downloaded your cursors and are happily using them!

    @MrGordonFreakman@MrGordonFreakman Жыл бұрын
  • "Apple improved it, and made it affordable" Yeah that's not something you'd hear now a day.

    @namaco2201@namaco22014 жыл бұрын
    • Hentai

      @officeroof7339@officeroof73393 жыл бұрын
    • @@officeroof7339 yes.

      @namaco2201@namaco22013 жыл бұрын
    • Yeah, Apple will NEVER EVER make anything affordable. It will just steal money.

      @suctac@suctac2 жыл бұрын
    • @@suctac lol u peanut head Apple Macs are faster and better then the windows computers and the m1 chip is so fast lol u are boomer 😂

      @iicarplaying1930@iicarplaying19302 жыл бұрын
    • @@iicarplaying1930 oh hello, apple makes its m1 macbook in something like 300 bucks and sells them for 1500 bucks

      @suctac@suctac2 жыл бұрын
  • I've been using a custom cursor since 2015. Deviant art users have made some really good mouse cursors packs. BlueGuy makes the best ones in my opinion. Also, a more direct way to get to the mouse cursor window is to hit win+r and type in "control mouse" (without quotes).

    @TomSidProductions@TomSidProductions Жыл бұрын
    • Yep. I've been using a "chroma" cursor which I "upscaled" to be smoother, but also symmetrical. I'm never going back to a regular cursor again.

      @TechSupportDave@TechSupportDave Жыл бұрын
    • when i was on Windows i used a PlayStation-themed crosshair cursor i also have a playstation shirt lmao

      @kantraa@kantraa Жыл бұрын
    • I really like the Chrome OS cursors. They're my favourite, even surpassing the macOS cursors IMO, and I've dailied macOS since 2011.

      @luciascarlet@luciascarlet Жыл бұрын
    • Oxygen cursors are my absolute favorite, they are soft looking while still having the general shape of default and they have tons of colors too

      @larxxral@larxxral Жыл бұрын
    • An even more direct way is to enter "main.cpl".

      @Expertcoderz@Expertcoderz Жыл бұрын
  • Been using your cursor set for a while now, and at this point I couldn't imagine using anything else. Thank you so much for making these!

    @VioletScarelli@VioletScarelli Жыл бұрын
  • I've been using the black variant of your cursors for a few months now. I absolutely prefer it over the defaults and it's one of the first things I change on a fresh installation. Thanks for making these, and well done.

    @ottergauze@ottergauze Жыл бұрын
  • I set my mouse to the waiting option constantly a few years ago, it confuses the heck out of everyone and I love it, yes I have it on constantly

    @tatecox143@tatecox1432 жыл бұрын
    • you genuinely scare me

      @adog3129@adog31292 жыл бұрын
    • Good

      @tatecox143@tatecox1432 жыл бұрын
    • That's something only a supervillain could come up with!

      @unfa00@unfa002 жыл бұрын
    • You're a gangster!

      @stray2802@stray28022 жыл бұрын
    • It could also convince your boss of your productivity

      @TheRealSeus@TheRealSeus2 жыл бұрын
  • They used an angled arrow because it's less calculations to get the top left coordinates of the cursor sprite than it would be to get the top center coordinates

    @SteveNgapo@SteveNgapo5 жыл бұрын
    • That would be remarkable! ;)

      @PosyMusic@PosyMusic5 жыл бұрын
    • Also, an angled cursor hides less of the thing you're pointing at.

      @tichu7@tichu75 жыл бұрын
    • Very good point especially since position 0,0 will always be the same no matter what. It's not just about calculations, messing around in game engines it always made sense to make the "origin" of sprites the middle, but 0,0 was always more practical in real life.

      @JrIcify@JrIcify2 жыл бұрын
    • a pixel corner would also be pointier than a pixel side.

      @Yottenburgen@Yottenburgen2 жыл бұрын
    • Hard to believe, it would be a simple addition. It's probably simply more precise, easier to know where you click.

      @Merthalophor@Merthalophor2 жыл бұрын
  • I've been getting back into windows (after using Linux basically exclusives since early 2020) for PS3 software development, and you custom cursor pack has actually made it a whole lot more pleasant to use - especially the improved text cursor, and the splash of color with the hourglass! Thank you very much!

    @vincentguttmann2231@vincentguttmann2231 Жыл бұрын
  • You can't talk about interfaces without mentioning how backwards MS has always been in that regard, it is truly unbelievable.

    @aeon_zero@aeon_zero Жыл бұрын
    • What do you mean by that? Can you give us examples?

      @Ricardordz11@Ricardordz11 Жыл бұрын
    • @@Ricardordz11 ​ @Ricardordz11 The dodgy versions of famous fonts? The mix and match feel of the icons? Win 8 and its UI identity crisis? The UI/UX of every version of Office, which somehow manages NOT to improve on its predecessor? How hard it is for new users to get used to Windows' concepts? How hard it is to find the right Settings menu for your needs and the fact (as mentioned in the video) that there always seem to be at least a couple of them that do the same thing but differently? The list goes on and on. Surely their products have some strengths, but they seem cursed to never get the UI/UX right

      @aeon_zero@aeon_zero Жыл бұрын
    • true

      @evantanuwidjaja8017@evantanuwidjaja8017 Жыл бұрын
    • @@aeon_zero if this was fixed in windows 11, it would easily be one of the best versions of windows in my opinion. i'm always getting lost in the UI

      @honbee3431@honbee3431 Жыл бұрын
    • ​@@aeon_zero your comment made me realise how crap windows UIs are.

      @larsswig912@larsswig91211 ай бұрын
  • You know what? This video contains exactly what I was looking for even if I wasn't expecting it. One week ago I searched the Internet for how to make a custom mouse cursor but didn't find any good material. This was exactly I was searching and thank you for making my day!

    @user-mu8xp2lr9n@user-mu8xp2lr9n3 жыл бұрын
  • I remember the Amiga computers from the 80's & 90's as having a cursor editor built in. It gave you a box of a certain size that you could draw in whatever you like, was fun to create a variety of different ones, paper planes, dog bones, piston/con-rod, whatever, imagination was the limit. Also Amigas had the best ever waiting icon, it was 2 different sized meshed gears in rotation, was the coolest !, never seen it since, but then the Amiga was the coolest computer ever, you would spend way more time creating things, than messing with the O/S like you have to now.

    @pawljaxun@pawljaxun5 жыл бұрын
    • Ah, that does sound like a good waiting icon

      @tech6hutch@tech6hutch2 жыл бұрын
    • I remember the Amiga wait icon being a thought balloon going ZZZ. Also interesting to note the default Amiga cursor was at a 45 degree angle.

      @AnthonyFlack@AnthonyFlack2 жыл бұрын
    • I also had a program where I could add a "trailing" effect of adjustable length, that one was great for just "fun" cursors 🥰

      @Wolf-ln1ml@Wolf-ln1ml2 жыл бұрын
  • Just recently started using your pointers at College, I think this is the first video I ever watched from your channel, and I was instantly addicted to your channel, I still sometimes watch your videos from time to time. :)

    @deltagen.201@deltagen.2012 ай бұрын
  • Stumbled upon this video a while ago and installed the cursors for myself, mainly because I LOVE your hourglass. This will, from now on, be my cursor on everything! Thank you for creating it

    @RagnarRipper@RagnarRipper10 ай бұрын
  • I would love to use these cursors if 2 things were changed: -Make the text selector maybe a pixel skinnier -Make the rainbow hourglass flow downward instead of upward, so it's a little more like sand falling. Thank you for listening to what I had to say!

    @localidiot6812@localidiot68122 жыл бұрын
    • You can change the text selector to the default one in the settings

      @Dr_Dan_@Dr_Dan_2 жыл бұрын
    • @@Dr_Dan_ Sure but then it won't match the rest of them

      @lucasskotiniotis1360@lucasskotiniotis13602 жыл бұрын
    • @@lucasskotiniotis1360nope, it matches alright

      @Dr_Dan_@Dr_Dan_2 жыл бұрын
    • Yes, I've also reverted the text selector back to default. It looks absolutely fine, and I've never had any problems with it.

      @kars.6131@kars.6131 Жыл бұрын
    • 100% agree with the hourglass thing, the colors should definitely flow downwards

      @pinkie723@pinkie723 Жыл бұрын
  • 1:30 I know why, it's to keep the point of the arrow at (0,0), also known as the "origin point" of the "object" in programming terms. It makes programming for and using the mouse, infinitely more intuitive. Amusingly, it'd take Microsoft and Unix years to catch onto WHY both Xerox and the MOAD used the arrow style cursor object, with Microsoft sticking to line cursors or 2x2 pixel dots until Windows 1.0, neither of which was exactly intuitive for the end user.

    @KiraSlith@KiraSlith2 жыл бұрын
    • That would make a lot of sense. Do you have a source for this or is it speculation?

      @ninevolt@ninevolt2 жыл бұрын
    • @@ninevolt its the best answer we’ll get

      @stego-@stego-2 жыл бұрын
    • Yeah that's certainly how I feel about it. It seems natural to want the tip to point to 0,0. Going deeper, it probably points to the top left corner because English reads from left to right, top to bottom, which is likely why screen co-ordinates are arranged as they are to begin with. You can speculate about why it's better to have a perfect vertical line on the left edge of the arrow head and diagonal on the right, rather than a perfect horizontal on the right edge and diagonal on the left. But it's probably something to do with English type again; vertical-oriented cursor feels better than horizontal.

      @AnthonyFlack@AnthonyFlack2 жыл бұрын
    • @@AnthonyFlack So, if Arabic speakers had invented the GUI, would the mouse cursor be mirrored compared to what we use now?

      @Roxor128@Roxor1282 жыл бұрын
    • @@Roxor128 - I think it's possible yeah! The computer revolution began in English-speaking countries and I think that has influenced standards in all kinds of ways.

      @AnthonyFlack@AnthonyFlack2 жыл бұрын
  • I have been using these cursors for 3 years now and thank you so much for them ❤️

    @Throneos@Throneos5 ай бұрын
  • I was using a MacOS inspired cursor these days, but now that i saw what you did with the default windows cursor, i absolutely love it. Nice work

    @noamusement@noamusement Жыл бұрын
  • I am _still_ upset that you barely have any views/subscribers for something this well presented. I love this!

    @iteachvader@iteachvader4 жыл бұрын
    • Wow I didn't expect to find you here of all places, love your videos!~

      @coreblaster6809@coreblaster68092 жыл бұрын
    • @@coreblaster6809 It's great content! I gravitate towards entertaining stuff like this!

      @iteachvader@iteachvader2 жыл бұрын
    • Ok wow, not only did I not expect iteachvader in the comments, there's also some replies made 2 or 3 hours ago? The algorithm is doing wonders to Posi's channel! I found him because the number display video got reccomended to me

      @Juan_3M3R@Juan_3M3R2 жыл бұрын
    • Now he has 15K subscribers and 140K views on this video :)

      @not-AK@not-AK2 жыл бұрын
    • The Ace Attorney man is here?!

      @dinozenz@dinozenz2 жыл бұрын
  • Personally after seeing the breeze cursors used on most linux distros I've never used any other on any OS. They are simply the best.

    @Polar_Onyx@Polar_Onyx2 жыл бұрын
    • They're amazing, but the Layan cursors are amazing as well.

      @Aura_Mancer@Aura_Mancer2 жыл бұрын
    • Some of the Nordzy sharp looking cursors look amazing to me, I just love the sort of visual symmetry that it provides

      @heart022@heart0222 жыл бұрын
    • i really like the breeze ones but for me i just stick to dmz

      @blank-mq8ef@blank-mq8ef2 жыл бұрын
    • How do you use it on other operating systems?

      @gormauslander@gormauslander2 жыл бұрын
    • @@gormauslander if you download the icons you could follow the steps he showed to use any cursor set in Windows, I think atleast I never really messed around with cursors till I didn't like the default xorg ones I saw when I installed arch. Macos I have no idea

      @blank-mq8ef@blank-mq8ef2 жыл бұрын
  • This simply is still one of, if not the best video I saw this year. The audio is superb, and of course I had to switch over to using your cursors.

    @LastSuperiority@LastSuperiority Жыл бұрын
  • The sound design is just so awesome

    @murtazabanday@murtazabanday7 ай бұрын
  • Honestly, I've never thought of the mouse cursor as an arrow, but rather its own shape. My mind was blown when I realized that it was just an arrow the whole time. How did I not think of that??

    @mediocreanimator@mediocreanimator2 жыл бұрын
    • It looks kinda like a tree

      @universereverbz@universereverbz2 жыл бұрын
    • Honestly same, I can’t look at it the same now lmao

      @toranp.8942@toranp.89422 жыл бұрын
    • its very stylised now, barely an arrow

      @h-Films@h-Films2 жыл бұрын
    • For me i see it as a spermatozoa

      @dodge6545@dodge65452 жыл бұрын
    • @@dodge6545 What is wrong with you lol

      @mediocreanimator@mediocreanimator2 жыл бұрын
  • So after using this for a couple of days, here's my general experience with it: overall, I love it. I agree with one complaint I read below, as well as an additional complaint I have: the beam is a bit too large which obscures text when selecting it. My additional complaint is the move tool, similar to the beam, obscures too much. I often have to move small points in my software, and the software uses the move cursor to indicate the point can be moved. Once I hover my mouse over the point, the large move circle completely obstructs the point I am trying to move.

    @NolanAlighieri@NolanAlighieri2 жыл бұрын
    • On the bottom of the page you find an alternative beam and precise tool that perhaps you could use instead

      @PosyMusic@PosyMusic2 жыл бұрын
    • @@PosyMusic 🖱️

      @TimSzabo@TimSzabo2 жыл бұрын
  • Just had this video pop up on my feed again. Been using these cursors for a few years now and I love them so much

    @AlgidAlchemy@AlgidAlchemy7 ай бұрын
  • still using your cursor after seeing this video a long while ago, seriously it is awesome; thank you!

    @heeho5495@heeho54954 ай бұрын
  • I remember getting cursors and viruses off of one of those free sites. Opened my eyes to the tiny little designs that are all around us. Personally I really appreciate the Yaru cursor set that ships with Ubuntu. It looks so nice and sharp, is black, and has no janky edges.

    @RegsaGC@RegsaGC2 жыл бұрын
    • I second that on the Yaru cursor!

      @awesomecronk7183@awesomecronk71832 жыл бұрын
    • oh my god, same when I was like 10. I downloaded a bunch of cursors off of an advert and got a computer virus that turned off all images...

      @NoReplyAsset@NoReplyAsset2 жыл бұрын
    • Ubuntu is so cool, I wish it was easier to get regular people into Linux

      @firstNamelastName-ho6lv@firstNamelastName-ho6lv2 жыл бұрын
    • I like the qogir cursor the most

      @space0015@space00152 жыл бұрын
    • @@space0015 Oh right the arrowhead cursors. Yes, those are pretty innovative while still bei g stylish and recognisable.

      @RegsaGC@RegsaGC2 жыл бұрын
  • There're a lot of interesting designs in games. Always loved what did Interplay in Fallout. Of course, making one for casual use requires much more consideration!

    @user-sz3rd5qk9l@user-sz3rd5qk9l2 жыл бұрын
    • Like the Nesticle bloody hand. Or was that Genecyst. Genecyst had the bleeding menubar though.

      @Aeduo@Aeduo2 жыл бұрын
    • I loved the Skyrim one, used it for a good while actually

      @Killabeastaholic@Killabeastaholic Жыл бұрын
    • I adored the FO1 & 2 cursors. 3D FO just doesn't hit the same smh

      @KatJustice97@KatJustice97 Жыл бұрын
    • @@Aeduo Nesticle, April 1997. Carmageddon of June 1997 had an animated bloody hand cursor.

      @CTimmerman@CTimmerman Жыл бұрын
    • Warcraft 3 had an unique cursor for each race. Really cool.

      @jorge69696@jorge69696 Жыл бұрын
  • I user your cursor pack on all my computers. They're perfect, literally covers everything I can think of

    @officiallyanthony@officiallyanthony9 ай бұрын
  • I'm using the Mono Black set for 2 days now and I'm loving it. Gonna dialy driver this thing now. It's awesome! Thanks for the cursor set. And thanks for such a high quality production video. This is the video that introduce your channel to me!

    @AlphaCore_@AlphaCore_ Жыл бұрын
  • One thing I would have loved to seen covered in this video were the huge, wacky assortment of alternate cursor designs featured in the Windows 98 Desktop Themes. It's a shame they aren't included in modern incarnations of Windows. :(

    @OmegaGlops@OmegaGlops2 жыл бұрын
    • So true!

      @flatline-timer@flatline-timer2 жыл бұрын
    • I only remember the goofy dinosaurs.

      @JZStudiosonline@JZStudiosonline2 жыл бұрын
    • you can choose a color now at least

      @dextrodemon@dextrodemon2 жыл бұрын
    • i miss my obnoxious trailing tails that trail after the cursor moving

      @Aiika__@Aiika__2 жыл бұрын
    • my parents always got mad at me but i always changed the cursor to a horse

      @catarinabarbosa2247@catarinabarbosa22472 жыл бұрын
  • Thanks for the video and the cursors. The one cursor I miss, from the pre-MacOS 10 days, is the little watch/clock cursor on Mac OS, which actually had enough frames to animate the hour and minute hands. That and the ability to change every cursor, and even change and add icons elsewhere, and even edit bitmap fonts, through the Resource Editor (ResEdit). Exploring an operating system like that is much harder, if not impossible, these days.

    @greghowell9986@greghowell9986 Жыл бұрын
    • Its Not Worked

      @DudeyGaming@DudeyGaming8 ай бұрын
    • I know I'm late, but just in case you didn't know, there's an app called Mousecape that lets you change every mac cursor

      @BleepBloopRobotLOL@BleepBloopRobotLOL6 ай бұрын
  • god, am i happy that i found this absolute gem of a channel. it's been a while since i've come across such a high polished documentary type videos.

    @iWonchan@iWonchan Жыл бұрын
  • I have been using the black cursor pack for some weeks now and I really enjoy it! It brings me so much joy to watch the rainbow hourglass, especially when I need to wait anyways. Thanks for making these available to us!

    @thepurpleendereye@thepurpleendereye Жыл бұрын
  • Great video. Funny seeing someone else navigate the shit show they call settings.

    @ZerkkD@ZerkkD5 жыл бұрын
    • This video was so pleasing to watch...

      @nikv8881@nikv88815 жыл бұрын
    • watch your language

      @zt7027@zt70274 жыл бұрын
    • AFTER WINDOWS 7, 8, 10.. THERE IS STILL CONTROL PANEL -AND- SETTINGS... AND FOR SOME, BOTH OF THEM HAVE SAME SETTINGS, FOR SOME, ONY ONE OF THEM HAVE THE SETTINGS, AND FOR SOME THE SETTINGS SPLIT BETWEEN THE TWO... AND THE WEIRD PARD IS I CANNOT CONNECT TO SOME OF MY BLUETOOTH DEVICES VIA SETTINGS, BUT I CAN CONNECT VIA CONTROL PANEL... WORST PART OF WINDOWS 10 IS THE SETTINGS DESIGN AND OVER ALL DESIGN INCONSTINCY

      @DAFUKAMATEVAFUCK@DAFUKAMATEVAFUCK3 жыл бұрын
    • 200th like is mine yay

      @NeoniumOxide@NeoniumOxide3 жыл бұрын
  • What an interesting history lesson, about such an underappreciated part of ui design ☺️ Ps: loved your hourglass design, but it drives me crazy that the lines apear to move upwards rather than downwards, as sand in an hourglass would do... 😖

    @paolobarresi6215@paolobarresi62152 жыл бұрын
    • Thought the same.

      @fovlsbane@fovlsbane2 жыл бұрын
    • Yup, a surprise collaboration between a hourglass, a vintage barber sign and a rainbow 😅 Quite attractive anyway!

      @sophya5796@sophya57962 жыл бұрын
    • Yeah same! From top-left to bottom-right feels the most natural (like from the mouse and then away.) Has he changed it yet? don't think he will get back to it after such time... but tbh it only requires "rotating by 180 degrees" and then it will be fine 😝

      @millanferende6723@millanferende6723 Жыл бұрын
    • I would also like to know if this has ever been made. Is it perhaps easy for someone to reverse the animation and or rotate it as you said and offer it somewhere else?

      @Lb8068@Lb8068 Жыл бұрын
    • @@millanferende6723 For what you're describing, it would have to be mirrored vertically, not rotated. Equally simple, of course.

      @arkadyshersky8704@arkadyshersky8704 Жыл бұрын
  • It is truly amazing how much dedication you put into a such a specific topic and hence make it fascinating for even a lay person like me. Living in the Netherlands it made me happy to recognize Dutch on your computer settings-- thank you for creating such beautiful videos!

    @hyunsuhkim8799@hyunsuhkim87997 ай бұрын
  • I always come back to this video to re-download this amazing cursor! Thank you!

    @alexanderrotmg@alexanderrotmg Жыл бұрын
  • Your cursors are amazing - I've struggled for a long time to find simple yet modern cursors which aren't too distracting but still look good. You nailed it. I'm going to be using these cursors for a long time, thank you very much! Also, awesome video - very much enjoyed.

    @coffee_bean__@coffee_bean__ Жыл бұрын
  • I would find it interesting to hear about all the other cursors through history, including Gnome/KDE, X window system, etc.

    @no1unorightnow@no1unorightnow Жыл бұрын
    • Ahh, the absolute Cambrian Explosion of KDE cursors. That takes me back.

      @cebruthius@cebruthius Жыл бұрын
    • Agreed, add Amiga workbench to the list! I also created my own cursor on that platform. I also liked the gold and silver shaded cursors in the windows plus package, I think it was included as standard in later windows versions.

      @imqqmi@imqqmi Жыл бұрын
    • I would presume that the GNOME/ X11 cursor is an evolution of a design from NeXT Step or BeOS due to both having been UNIX operating systems from around the same time that the GNOME Foundation started for GTK development but I don't know anything about the KDE cursor design though but it is certainly unique among system default cursor designs but judging from old screenshots, it looks like KDE 1.0 used a different design to the current one along with KDE (couldn't find screenshots with the mouse cursor for KDE 2.0 and 3.0 and KDE 4 uses the same cursor design in the Oxygen theme as the current cursor in the Breeze theme I think...)

      @wclifton968gameplaystutorials@wclifton968gameplaystutorials Жыл бұрын
    • @@wclifton968gameplaystutorials I doubt that since X11 dates from June 1984, while "The first full release, NeXTSTEP 1.0, shipped on September 18, 1989." BeOS is even more unlikely since it dates from October 1995.

      @cebruthius@cebruthius Жыл бұрын
    • @@cebruthius Yes your right, I must have gotten the dates wrong and misremembered and thought that X11 came out after NextStep/OpenStep and BeOS...

      @wclifton968gameplaystutorials@wclifton968gameplaystutorials Жыл бұрын
  • Hell yeah, been using this cursor for a while and is fantastic! Not only posy make fantastic videos, but also tools

    @Canalbiruta@Canalbiruta5 ай бұрын
  • still my most favorite cursor set that i still use today, and will continue to use forever. just perfect.

    @ShattForte@ShattForte7 ай бұрын
  • I love that modern cursors are flat on their left side. It allows them to hug the left side of the screen. And the very tip just touches the top, keeping the cursor within view as it slides across the top of the screen. Although the cursor does become hidden as it slides across the bottom and left sides of the screen... Meh, the only way to get around that would be to have a cursor that flips horizontally and vertically, depending on what quadrant of the screen it is in. THAT would be interesting.

    @CaveyMoth@CaveyMoth2 жыл бұрын
    • I swear I’ve seen one do that, probably an option you could activate in windows 7. That was so long ago however that I don’t remember

      @multistuff9831@multistuff98312 жыл бұрын
    • Sometimes the cursor shows up in places it shouldn't, like on top of a movie, and the only way to hide it is to put it on the right side. A cursor you couldn't do that with would be a problem.

      @doltBmB@doltBmB2 жыл бұрын
    • @@doltBmB Oh, yeah, that is such an underrated feature!

      @CaveyMoth@CaveyMoth2 жыл бұрын
    • Would be great if it had a sphere in the center where it would be a dot or circle pointer, and on the edge had a tail that always pointed center

      @VampireSquirrel@VampireSquirrel Жыл бұрын
  • Some of the best 15 minutes I've ever spent! Niche, personal and just the right ammount of nerdy. You can also +1 to usercount of these cursor sets you've created! Love the design language!

    @ThreeBitAutumn@ThreeBitAutumn Жыл бұрын
  • Unbelievably well done. Never thought I'd be so captivated in a video about a cursor! I'm currently using it on Ubuntu Linux, and I couldn't be happier with it. Great work!

    @futur3sn0w@futur3sn0w Жыл бұрын
  • Making the mother of all demos here, Jack! Can't fret over every OS!

    @disposable_income_andy@disposable_income_andy Жыл бұрын
  • 2:15 Shrek

    @AwesomeVidzChannel@AwesomeVidzChannel Жыл бұрын
  • With the tilt angle of the arrow, it ensures that the "tip" is always at the same point (0,0) on the pointer icon. Scaling the icon doesn't effect the position of the tip. (Unfortunately, I don't know if this was the original reasoning behind it or not)

    @Anotherfunnyword@Anotherfunnyword2 жыл бұрын
    • Also makes it much easier to line things up. The same reason why Microsoft went with the white cursor and the black outline. You see it a bit in the video, but when you move over a white surface, the outline seems to disappear, which makes it very difficult to click (and especially select) pixel perfectly (of course you rarely need to do that, but it still reduces accuracy a bit).

      @Luxalpa@Luxalpa2 жыл бұрын
    • That might have been the technical reason at some point, though I doubt scaling was of great concern in the pre-mobile age. Any way, at least starting at some later point, you can define the "tip" point of the cursor in Windows. Which is not at (0,0) for the move icon or the hand for example.

      @NeinStein@NeinStein Жыл бұрын
  • Installed the black monochromatic cursor, used it for few seconds and already love it, thanks!

    @SX12C@SX12C Жыл бұрын
  • I love the cursors you designed! And your other videos are also very interesting!

    @SUMUIRE@SUMUIRE Жыл бұрын
  • Having used a lot of these operating systems, I have had noticed these things before but never pondered upon it. I let it go. This is an amazing video!

    @saurabhkulkarni8854@saurabhkulkarni88542 жыл бұрын
  • Fun tip: These cursors DO still work in Windows 11, and you can use the cursor Size option to scale them (uglier, but does work). Set the scale first, then apply the scheme in the old control panel. 👍

    @Tsaukpaetra@Tsaukpaetra2 жыл бұрын
    • thanks! i was looking for this comment

      @5HT1R0@5HT1R02 жыл бұрын
    • thanx! i was looking for this comment

      @hgleonardo@hgleonardoАй бұрын
  • I have been using your cursor for two months, I absolutely love your cursor. I asked all my friend to use your cursor

    @numlock6019@numlock6019 Жыл бұрын
  • Thank you for making these freely available my PC experience just got much better.

    @crowlsyong@crowlsyong7 ай бұрын
  • 4:35 "The cursor improved" I imagined a well placed fart sound effect right there

    @therealpeter2267@therealpeter2267 Жыл бұрын
  • 11:20 haha funy ting if you couldn’t find it, he drew a middle finger on the crossed out one.

    @soggyflipflop@soggyflipflop2 жыл бұрын
  • Really nice video explaining the design details and design flaws of the default cursors over the years. I also use your cursor design on my computer and I really like it!

    @Johnny555_Arcaea_charter@Johnny555_Arcaea_charter9 ай бұрын
  • i've been using one of your cursors for several years now. i've never had any issues, I love the way it looks. good stuff.

    @adog3129@adog312910 ай бұрын
  • 2:16 we gonna just ignore the green guy?

    @AMIR55312@AMIR553124 жыл бұрын
    • I was searching for this comment. He is a Dracula

      @animeshagarwal28@animeshagarwal283 жыл бұрын
    • @@animeshagarwal28 me too, but he's green goblin

      @sofianealloui@sofianealloui2 жыл бұрын
    • @@animeshagarwal28 nah, I do believe he's one of Shrek's kids

      @fantyx4449@fantyx4449 Жыл бұрын
    • he's green!

      @327-@327- Жыл бұрын
  • This channel is so underrated! I really hope you get the recognition you deserve.

    @DjPumha@DjPumha3 жыл бұрын
  • Been using your cursor (black version) for the past 3 years and it will remain my favourite as long as cursors exist. Thank you

    @havz0r@havz0r5 ай бұрын
  • That brings back memories :) Some 30 years ago, in OS/2 it was easy to make your own mouse cursor. It was all built-in - just copy the default cursor set and edit it like you'd edit icons. Back then I made a few mouse cursors based on flowers, with the petals changing colours based on the cursor state. Good times. :)

    @punboleh7081@punboleh7081 Жыл бұрын
  • Today 2022-05-08 you just updated the page of the cursors you made, and in this day I found your channel and this video. Quite amazing

    @guizarbayardoemmanuelisaia1718@guizarbayardoemmanuelisaia17182 жыл бұрын
  • I just installed your cursors, and i've fallen in love with the black set. It's very, very nice :) First time i've installed custom cursors in a solid 20 years. Last time I used custom cursors was with some that I designed myself.

    @rtmpgt@rtmpgt Жыл бұрын
  • This video made me feel really nostalgic. Thanks for giving me unknown perspectives.

    @Minimaos1@Minimaos1 Жыл бұрын
  • i absolutelly love these cursor thank you so much for making them

    @synasus@synasus Жыл бұрын
  • I actually think that the macOS cursor is drawn as a vector in realtime in the newer versions of the OS, as by moving the mouse cursor back and forth it'll increase the size of the cursor but without blowing up pixels and retaining the same design. You can also change the color of the cursor on macOS (however you want) in its accessibility menus.

    @half-qilin@half-qilin2 жыл бұрын
  • I much like the mouse cursors on Linux, I use Adwaita cursor. It's default look is a black mouse cursor set, easy to see on light and dark backgrounds, the arrow head is slightly bigger with shorter tail, although would probably look better without the arrow tail.

    @Alkaris@Alkaris2 жыл бұрын
    • I'm guessing you're talking about GNOME's cursor on Ubuntu :) Linux doesn't have a cursor.

      @Merthalophor@Merthalophor2 жыл бұрын
    • @@Merthalophor yes we all know what they are actually talking about its just easier to say

      @amongsussyballs@amongsussyballs2 жыл бұрын
    • @@amongsussyballs well if you're so in love with detail that you mention the name of the cursor you use you'd expect them to know at least what Linux is.

      @Merthalophor@Merthalophor2 жыл бұрын
    • I use KDE and it's (usually) default cursors are so... futuristic! I love these designs.

      @unfa00@unfa002 жыл бұрын
    • @@setukas fair point i see your angle, you convinced me. Gnome is an unnecessary detail.

      @Merthalophor@Merthalophor2 жыл бұрын
  • Hey Posy. KZhead recommended your video to me again after many years! I've been using your cursor since then and loved it all the way until the very end, as I recently stopped using Windows. Until then, I always enjoyed having a folder named after you in my C: drive. Thanks a lot!

    @erich_ika@erich_ika4 күн бұрын
  • I've been using this cursor since the day this video came out. Incredible job Posy.

    @Kyanoxia@Kyanoxia16 күн бұрын
  • This brought on sudden memories and the specific feeling I felt using a computer for the 1st time, watching the cursor moving around and changing depending on what it hovered over. Totally forgot about it until just now. Cool memory.

    @HarrisonTheGrey@HarrisonTheGrey2 жыл бұрын
    • that's such a cool memory. it's the little things about life, sometimes lol

      @AlexisTwoLastNames@AlexisTwoLastNames Жыл бұрын
    • @@AlexisTwoLastNames it really is. I’m getting more of those sudden forgotten memories that pop up for random reasons as I get older.

      @HarrisonTheGrey@HarrisonTheGrey Жыл бұрын
  • Man this deserves more views! the information and the way you present, the mouse cursor you made and your voice are all great Thank you! I've downloaded your mouse cursor and now I can see it easily in my 4K monitor..

    @TrueTrueTV@TrueTrueTV5 жыл бұрын
  • Your cursor convinced me to change my default cursor, and I now use it by default, it's amazing :)

    @kckarnige@kckarnige Жыл бұрын
  • ive been using these cursers for almost 2 years now do not regret

    @irazander@irazander8 ай бұрын
  • This is honestly one of the most interesting, well made, and relaxing videos I’ve ever seen. This is the first video I’ve seen from this channel and I’m a huge fan. This entire channel is filled with interesting videos like this. I’m taking a break from studying for finals and I really appreciate your work Mr. Posy. I hope you have a nice day.

    @TheKnowledgist@TheKnowledgist2 жыл бұрын
  • I love how Apple has remained nearly identical the entire time. The original design was just right and it's an iconic part of the OS now. Their UI designers are wizards; the cursor looks perfect even on a giant 4K display.

    @RabbitEarsCh@RabbitEarsCh Жыл бұрын
    • They have totally reinvented the mouse cursors for iPad though. (When you connect a keyboard with a trackpad or a mouse.) The cursors that appear are extremely context-sensitive, always changing shape depending on what you’re hovering over. And the single-pixel precision cursor doesn’t exist, instead it’s a finger-like blob.

      @HenryBloggit@HenryBloggit Жыл бұрын
    • The original design is fine, I can’t really say apple or windows has the better cursor with both so similar and basic. I’m shocked that apple basically never changed it tho

      @monhi64@monhi64 Жыл бұрын
    • @@monhi64 Nah, the apple one is better. It's a prettier design, black is better and it scales properly. Then the question is how much you should care about that, it's not like anyone should decide which OS to use based on the cursor.

      @volundrfrey896@volundrfrey896 Жыл бұрын
    • apple uses slave labor and charges 1% prices . fuck them

      @CmdrTigerKing@CmdrTigerKing Жыл бұрын
    • @@volundrfrey896 Black on black is problem and you can't this is better because it's black. It's just preference

      @clickbaitpro@clickbaitpro Жыл бұрын
  • dude, you're talented as hell, you make great music, can't wait to see and hear more from you.

    @ads_mello@ads_mello11 ай бұрын
  • An enjoyable history lesson! And I'm also glad to see someone else bothered by the little tail and how wonky the mouse shape is... I spent too long looking at it too closely one day and it's been bothering me ever since. Just giving your pointers a spin and they're very nicely done. The little rounded tip on the tail is just right!

    @WreakingOfSmoke@WreakingOfSmoke Жыл бұрын
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