Justin Peters EXPOSES Truth About Hillsong and Bethel Music
2020 ж. 7 Ақп.
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THIS is why your church shouldn’t play Hillsong United or Bethel songs… In this video, Todd Friel interviews Justin Peters on what makes these bands a threat to the congregation.
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Be discerning don't just do something because everyone is doing it ,,. The Holy Spirit will lead you into all truth.. you need not that any man should teach you.. thanks Justin and Todd. Just another wretched man. Saved by Grace. John Rogers. Australia 🦘🌏
Are you a wretched man or a new creation? Which is it? Quote the Bible and not a hymn....how ironic.
Hallelujah
What you say is true. The problem is that many say the Holy Spirit has lead or is leading them. The way to double check is to see if it harmonizes with the Bible. If not, then we have a problem.
Pray for discernment and wisdom and the Lord is happy to supply it abundantly.
AMEN! He hasn't let me down yet.
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𝙶𝚘𝚘𝚍 𝚙𝚘𝚒𝚗𝚝.
Amen!
God tells you to throw false Jesus out of your life. What would you do?
I don't know anything about the topic, but I see that lately there have been a lot of videos on youtube saying that this is something we should avoid. What I know from my experience. I heard one of their songs for the first time a few months ago. My boss played it for me at work and I got goosebumps even though I didn't hear it all. When I finished work and went to my accommodation, I put my headphones in ears and listened to the whole song. At that moment, something changed in me, I couldn't stop the tears. I listened to the song every day while I was getting ready for work. It somehow strengthened me and took away my anxiety. It is Croatian cover called "Zsa zsa - dubine", that would be your original version of "Hillsong - oceans". I just turned on that song to listen to what it's about and I honestly don't see what the problem is because the song doesn't sing about a guy or anything other than God. I find it just as beautiful as the croatian cover and I have the same emotions. Zsa Zsa has an angelic voice and the Croatian version of that song has beautiful lyrics. The first verse bought me right away. It goes 'I know you're calling but I'm afraid' I felt exactly as the song describes. Check for yourself, then translate the text. I don't know the background of those churches or what are those (Hillsong and bethel) and I honestly don't care because I don't want to be obsessive about everything and look for something evil in everything. As long as the song speaks about God and not to someone or something else, I'm fine. I speak from my own experience which I see is rare. 🤷🏻♀️
Exactly, I personally gone to bethel and the music is ANNOINTED.
@@joemoody9955 maybe I'm wrong, I don't know, time will tell. I can only speak from my experience. As for the one that they recited on the video, it sounds very creepy, so I wouldn't even listen to such songs, nor do I know any other songs except for Oceans, and I like the Croatian translation better than the original song But I know how I felt when I heard it for the first time, somehow as if I connected with God that evening. Before I got that job, I prayed for some things and I promised some things to God. I got the complete opposite of what I was asking for, and I didn't manage to fulfill my promises and I was biting myself because of that but I was still receiving blessings. I felt that something was guiding me and loving me. I probably fell apart because I realized how merciful God is and how much He gives you even when you don't have time for Him. And I felt every word in the song. No matter how bizarre and strange it sounds in the comment, no one can take that feeling away from me.
I grew up in a charismatic church and let me encourage you by saying that personal experiences are subjective and cannot be used to override objective truth. Songs can make us feel good and very emotional, but if they aren’t rooted in truth, then they are worthless. It would be like trying to honor your significant other, but if you don’t represent them well in doing so, then are you truly honoring them or insulting them?
@@domblack6288 I really don't know what to tell you. As for songs (except of course secular, vulgar, etc.) I don't feel as convinced as you do. Maybe I will be, but now I'm not. There are also people who don't drink starbucks coffee because they think the sign is satanic, etc., etc. To me, that's going to the extreme. I don't want to be a person who will only look for the bad in everything (I was that, before Jesus). There is no happiness or God in that. When you pay attention to evil and not to good, then something is wrong.
@@Bea-xc7wy I’ve never heard that Starbucks coffee is satanic lol. I do agree that there is a toxic mindset that leads people to always looks for something bad. However, we can certainly observe and rejoice over what is good and true, and not rejoice in what is wrong (1Corinth 13:6). It’s not loving God to willfully be in error. We can rejoice that Bethal points people to Jesus, but they have adopted New Age mysticism in their theology that has significant impact on their methodology. Bad theology leads to bad methodology, which at best leads people astray and at worst leads to broken faiths. It nearly broke mine. Jesse Westwood and Dawain Atkinson have good testimonies about coming out from Bethal.
This conversation has grieved my Spirit. The amount of people who has come to know God and be saved and encounter Jesus in worship through the obedience of hillsong, bethel and Jesus culture is amazing. Thankfully regardless of what man assumes their true treasure is in heaven and God honors them. People can disagree all they want it doesn’t stop the fruit these churches especially bethel has. The amount of salvations, healings, and deliverances of stronghold and demons is equally amazing. I pray God reveals He is all power and that He still moves today like in the Bible to these man and all who hang on every word they say because God does not change and never will.
The problem with this is that a different Jesus is preached, not the righteous, holy judge of the world! Sin, repentance and hell are preached very little, if at all and it results in a false conversion. These churches are not preaching the whole bible, the goodness and severity of God. It's a feel good cult and it's leading innocent people ignorant of what the Bible says to be even more lost. Tragic.😢
I agree, I fear for him, truly. I am grieved, oh I am grieved. Psalm 91 says 1000 shall fall at thy side and 10000 at thy right hand. There is a ditch on either side where the blind have led the decieved in droves. One ditch is charismatics, the other cessationist. One is licentioisness the other legalism. One is modernism the other conservative. Enough! When will the Wesleys of today stand up and be the voice crying in the wilderness preparing the way of God?
Bingo
No, it's honoring God to apply discernment for truth from the deception
There is no "gift of suspicion." This is NOT a moving in the gift of "Discerning of Spirits," because all can see these folks point people to CHRIST ALONE. To continually breed discord... is an abomination to The Lord. Discernment is carnal. Discerning of Spirits is supernatural. Discernment leads to suspicion based in the darkness found inside one's own heart. Discerning of Spirits is a manifestation of Holy Spirit, and therefore not carnal. Know the difference. Discord and division isn't from God.
100% agree with Justin Peters 👍 I’m professional musician and christian born again since 35 years … I’m very careful of christian show business … the Bible teach us clearly to be aware from false gospel, false teachers … must keep open eyes and focus on Jesus ONLY according to the Word of God…
Well. God nows/Always. Amen
@Purple Rose give an example of lack of discernment ?
@Purple Rose I FEEL he's phony sometimes but so far shown the fruits of true conversion..so better not trust those feelings.
@Watch4Signs I can’t think of anything Todd Friel has said that would cause me concern.
Ask God if it’s right to listen to these songs, I don’t listen to people like this they can all be fake seek Gods guidance always and follow Jesus’ teachings
‘THIS PEOPLE HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS, BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR AWAY FROM ME. Matthew 15:8
It's a good thing Justin doesn't know all their hearts. I sing Hillsong songs all the time. God knows my heart and I can say with confidence I have not adopted this "false teaching" that Justin claims Hillsong leads you to with their music. A great friend of mine who is a pastor at his own home church who left his previous church due to them not teaching the entire bible, also listens to Hillsong and he is one of the closest people to the Lord that I know. His group is on this program every year where they read the entire bible in 90 days. We use Hillsong music purely for worship, the music itself does not have faith, it's not alive. The person does. We're not concerned with loving our enemies. Or unknowingly supporting them financially. I wonder if the CEO of the company that makes that microphone Justin speaks into is a follower of the evil one or perhaps part of a "false church". Would that mean Justin is financially supporting a brand that is headed by an unbeliever by using that mic product? We never think about what we're saying when we accuse people of supporting others who are, newsflash, sinners. And also, are they fake? Or are they lost? Has Justin followed his own advice in his closing statements of doing the most loving thing is telling people at Hillsong and Bethel the Truth? Or has he still only went around the world pointing fingers playing vigilante judge and measuring sins and groups on a human-based ranking system? We need to be careful we don't live with a plank in our eyes when we play judge. We're not good judges. It's simple. Go ahead and listen to Hillsong if you want to. Just keep living by God's word.
It doesn't mean that you can't sing the worship song to glorify God. I play music for Church service play so of Hillsong songs and some from Elevation and I believe God knows my heart. God judge my devotion anf my worship, not any of fellow Christian.
@@christwithken TBH some of their song lyrics are questionable to say the least. They do have some good lyrics while teaching doctrines that are false. I don't really know what "spirit" inspired them. I used to listen to their songs and even bought CDs but upon finding out they're nothing but devil worshipers I tossed them in the trash. Ephesians 5:11 Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.
@@jesusislord4762I don't agree with their generalization in the video. For example, I think What A Beautiful Name from Hillsong is a great worship song. It's what's in in someone's heart when he/she sings the songs is what matters not the leaders of Hillsong or whatever hidden agenda/money making scheme they are up to.
@@christwithken This sounds convincing, but to challenge that, did the apostles take the same approach? If an organization named the name of Christ but distorted the doctrine a little bit, was their response not to “judge”? I remember Paul when talking about the Judaizers who corrupted the gospel. “I wish that those troubling you would emasculate themselves!” This was significant because the Judaizers were just adding circumcision and other ceremonial law to the way that people should be saved. All in all, not a very Christ-like response, according to your logic
You are so right Mr Peters! I was raised in the church of Unity, a very new age church. It is metaphysical to the core. After I got saved I had to unlearn the lies that had been planted in my heart and mind. I Thank God I heard and accepted the true message of salvation at the age of 12. Now at 79 years of age I’m eagerly awaiting the day I will meet Jesus face to face when He calls me home.
"Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing ; and I will receive you," *2 Corinthians 6:17 KJV
What you said about Africa was soooo spot on. I live in South Africa, the prosperity gospel and feel good messages are the message of our full gospel churches. I thank God for my father that taught me the right way, who studied parts of the Bible. I really had bad experiences in the full gospel church, being as a young person, loving the truth. It's hard for me to feel good amongst other Christians. I focus on my relationship with God rather then waiting for someone to feed me like a baby on scriptures. If the prosperity gospel is leading astray, don't worry. They would of been lead astray without them as well because the don't have the capability to discern biblical truth from false doctrines. There is also knowledge that is revealed to you in spirit that only you having a strong relationship with God will show you.
@Coetzee Familystead Thank God that you found your way now. In the word we living in now, we need to look up and around us for help. We need a personal relationship with God and the Bible. Time is so near
This is so true. I recently joined a church in Centurion but i noticed that they are singing Hillsong songs. I couldn't sleep last night because it bothered me that i am singing these songs knowing what the hillsong church is all about. I am contemplating on leaving that church because of this.. the church in Centurion is KSM (kerksondermure).
If everyone had this mindset about anything else in life the world would never be the way it is. But thats only how successful people think tbh. I would be really surprised if you are not successful in life.
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@Coetzee Familystead Yep, it's sad there are so many churches doing wrong in the name of Christianity. We shouldn't be in a position of caveat emptor...but that is what is happening...spending time finding the right church, when in that time you should be in the right church building wherever it may be.
Most hymns are not outdated. The feelings people had back then are the same feelings people had now. For example, "just a closer walk with Thee" "Jesus hold my hand" "it is well with my soul" "I just want to be where you are" "I come to the garden alone" These are all good songs that praise Jesus and acknowledge human struggles and how great the Lord is. They may use words that are "old" but they are not outdated. Not saying all hymns are wonderful but they are not irrelevant either.
The hymns have meaning, almost scriptural in quotes. Today's songs are nothing but repetition and feelings. There is no comparison.
@@redfaux74 very good point. Most hymns come right out of the Bible and are set to music! It's beautiful!
@@Mik-gw7tv - Yes, I am so glad I'm in a church that uses them often.
@@redfaux74 you are 100% correct Nothing compares to the old hymns
@@redfaux74 Exactly….!
I wish there were more pastors in the UK like Justin. It’s so hard to find anyone who preaches the complete Truth!
Soo so hard. 💯 % agreed
Most FIEC churches in the uk are very biblically reformed. I’m very privileged to be a member of an fiec church. Expository preaching all the way.
Soooooo hard.
Keep the faith. Thank God we can access them through the internet. We have a very difficult time finding sound doctrine teaching in our part of Florida as well.
"complete truth" 😂
To, anybody who's reading this, I pray that whatever is hurting you or whatever you are constantly stressing about gets better. May the dark thoughts, the overthinking, and the doubt exit your mind right now. May clarity replaces confusion. May peace and calmness fill your life. God bless & he Loves, You ♥️ ♥️ 💙💙🙏🙏 😢😢🙏🙏🥲🥲🥲 In Jesus Name
Amen. And I pray the same for you ❤
AMEN!!!
My church stopped playing elevation, bethel, and hillsong a little over a year and a half ago. It was hard for everyone at first, but it is so worth it!
That's good to hear... I also hope our church would sing hymns more often during worship rather than randomly picking songs on KZhead which I don't really considered as worship
Why????? What’s wrong with elevating and bethel ?
@@yanishameesh7965 they teach false doctrine. And my church doesn’t want to give money to them for playing their music.
@@yanishameesh7965 no offense here but did you tune out the entire video? The sole purpose of this video was to point that out.
I dissagree I need real truth .
My wife and I are in our 60's now and in the past were Praise and Worship leaders in our churches over the years. The Lord gave us our ministry when we were in our early 30's and it was fruitful. Praise Him for that. I started playing guitar at 9 and my wife studied singing at the conservatorium in her teens. I have been in many bands and stage show bands as well as a music director for 6 stage shows and done some recording. I look back now and see that He was preparing us for that all those years. A few years back we decided to find a church closer to home as we were travelling over 120 kilometers to and from the church we were in. The local church we looked into told us that they did not allow anyone over 36 years old in their Praise and Worship team even though we had no intention of wanting to lead. I wondered if in their mind they thought the Lords blessing stopped at 36 but no. I was stunned that it was basically because they wanted to have the youth lead because they were more 'relevant' to the younger generation. Its all about the Looks. If have watched some Hillsong videos and have also noticed the ages of the P&W team. To be fair they do have older generations in their choir but I also noticed they were up the back where the lighting was less efficient. Ive been of the opinion that many churches are basically rock concerts to lure and maintain the younger generations to stay. Again, to be fair many of the younger gens do indeed love our Lord but I have been concerned at the 'mechanism' the churches are using. Also I do think many of the songs are Holy Spirit inspired so we must be careful not criticize those songs. If the song is glorifying Jesus I dont see a problem with the style
Let me ask you something. If having younger people on a team saved 100 people and having you on a team only saved 5, which is the better option? I get it hurts your pride, but we are here to save people, not to feel good about being on a worship team. There are plenty of mixed churches and less contemporary ones that would be happy to let you on the team. You can also take a guitar and worship Jesus wherever you want, you don't need to be on a stage, in a church. I don't fault the megachurches for using a contemporary model to draw in the younger crowd because those kids will NEVER get saved if you can't get them interested in Jesus voluntarily, and unfortunately we are at war and that is harder than ever because in this day and age going to church is something that gets you excluded and bullied. Kids need a reason to come to church that's bigger than their reasons not to, and if that's seeing young people like them playing loud rock music, then that's what we will do because we're here to save people primarily not mope about being excluded based on age. Sorry if that seems harsh but sometimes that's just what it takes unfortunately, this world is harsh and unforgiving and will swallow these children up if they are led astray. Again I apologize I'm not trying to be mean but there's to many people trying to shut down some of these larger churches based on nitpicks. We need them because they are successful in bringing in new Christians.
Same here. Don't like the "mechanism". What I feel is that, in an attempt to bring down the megachurches, they are also attacking their songs, many of which are actually good if you objectively analyse them. It's like they're throwing away "the baby with the bathwater"
@@SweetLife27The style of worship doesn't have to be one or the other. Blended worship worship works really well in many churches.
@@kas36spires you're not to do Jesus and his kingdom any favors You're not the holly spirit, who has the power to turn hearts to salvation You're rude and so manipulativ, going by your analysis
@@kas36spires Learn what it means to honor and be subject to the older/wiser and you will begin your journey of being to be used by God. Influencing many is not rewarded in eternity if those who are influenced are led astray.
David Wilkerson warned The Body of Christ about Christian rock, “another gospel-another Jesus”, feel good sermons--way back in the 70’s. This precious man of God was practically stoned to death for sounding the alarm but truer words were never spoken.
lol .. back in the day ‘hymns’ were the cutting edge ‘rock and roll’ of the day ..
I had a dream once and I have never forgotten it. It was a dream of Jesus taking my hand and He took me in His arms and twirled me around. It was wonderful, I felt whole and complete in Him. His head fell backwards and His laugh was something I have never heard before. He had such delight in His voice as He laughed and twirled me around. It was an amazing moment and something I hold onto always. It was so pure
That's very interesting but can i know why you tell us that dream please ?
In spirit and in truth is the only worship accepted by God.
but we all have interpret that based on the spirit but people like these fuddyduddy's want you to continue with dead organ music.
Jesus said the God of this world is Satan.
@@robertreppert8233 What if there are people who like organ music? What should they do? 😅
@@way2tehdawn umm duh then play organ music, make voice be heard at a church council meeting. seriously - duh what I mean is fine they listen to their music and worship how they want, mind their own business. These people don't evangelize, they just pick at churches they are jealous of. To be fair here I actually listen to that music and words to see if it matches the churches beliefs and there is a lot of CCM I have my doubts about. So much that I now play very little of so called "christian music". You can be discerning and still not fling mud like the wolves behind this video are doing. Satan doesn't have to seperate the church at all, people like this group will do it
unfortunately that doesn't answer the music question
I am actually sharing this video with a young man who is handling the contemporary Christian music in our small country church. Biblical illiteracy is saturating America. And I have seen it over and over again begin with the worship music. I teach Sunday school at this church and when I see this music up on the big screen with Hillsong or elevation printed on the screen, my heart just sinks. I cannot sing the words and I simply sit down and begin to pray. Please pray that eyes would be opened in our church to have the enemy is creeping in the back door and is blinding many. My heart is burdened. Not just for this church but for so many others and especially in Africa. The NAR is doing great damage and is growing at an alarming rate. Thank you so much for posting this video and for bringing truth to light and praying that those who watch it will see the truth.
O Absolutely me too, I was saying this v thing to a friend just yesterday ~ so many x in church I have bn unable to sing the UNBIBLICAL words displayed in the overhead screen!! This should Not be!! 😔
@@garyrakich902 Has it occurred to you and others that there are a fair number of Christians with hearing problems and can't quite understand the words being sung in church? So at least they learn the words to the song properly? Or there are people that aren't familiar with the song for them to learn? Keep on being religious.
Music isn't Bible. Bible study, especially eisegesis, should be held at a much higher standard than music. If the music makes you think about Jesus, it should be ok.
@@AstroqualiaI disagree; they should both be held to an equally high standard: the Biblical standard. That's not happening now, and the results are damning.
@@cameraredeye3115 to each their own. I just follow scripture, not nitpick music.
We, as true Christians, are to be VERY careful with what we do, watch, hear & see
Read your bible
I do, thanks
It took me a long time to figure this out, but I think what the modern church is missing is the fear of God. Old hymns feared God greatly and gave him the best of their poetry.
Yes! Absolutely, the hymns of the church written by Fanny Crosby and many more Bible-based hymns that bring honor and glory to the Lord!
I have changed my approach to lead worship in my university to a 1+1 or a 1+2 approach after knowing the depth of old hymns, the approach is 1 hymn + 1 or 2 contemporary songs, and for the contemporary songs I will only go for songs which have their lyrics which honour God.
@@SamuelLee-gw6wr it's just vanity and the Bible is about fighting the evil spirits so if it makes you feel better go listen they just do what they always done hold you to it and the Bible speaks to you he doesn't have to throw himself down and worship us I don't want to give up the 7 kingdom's on Earth divide the word look up Baker.
My rules for worship music: 1. The lyrics must be biblically based and Christ-centered. (A good start for anyone wanting to write worship music is just taking the OT Psalms and setting them to music. Re: Shane & Shane.) 2. The music can be of any style, but it can’t distract from the overall message of this song. While I don’t mind more contemporary songs, sometimes the rock/pop can drown out the lyrics if they’re not controlled. If the music and lyrics aren’t in sync, then the message gets lost. 3. The songs must be tailored to a congregation setting where we can all sing together as one for God, not ones written for specific individual contexts. (E.g. Casting Crowns “Broken Together” is a great individual Christian song because it deals specifically with the theme of marital problems, but their song “Who Am I?” works better in a congregation context.)
These rules are incomplete.
Dyer if I can write music and I write a gospel song it have to be biblical.or do it have to come from my heart
How do you reason music can be any style ? Is music neutral ? What about death metal in the church ? What about heavy metal ? What about grunge ?
@@joelacona6057 Death metal might be distracting for worship, but I've heard and enjoy loads of Christian Death Metal and Christian Grunge outside of church! For congregational singing, minimal instrumentation and clear, singable lyrics are probably best-- which rules out some genres not because they're bad but just because they feature fast/slurred/loud singing or too much going on at once.
@TheTrenchesYT You might enjoy lots of things , but doesn't mean it's Holy, authorised, or pleasing to everyone else. You said all styles....Question: Who gets to decide the style ? What if one person absolutely hates your style ? What if God hates it ? Who gets to decide is the question? I reckon you'll have no answer, because the question is faulty to begin with . The real question should be is any music at all authorised? And the answer must come from the new testament scriptures, example and even history, and there simply isn't any . Scriptures command singing, not playing. For obvious reasons, not everyone can play , the temple levites...theocracy is no more. What we have now are just the scriptures as our authority, example. To bring music into the church is to sin .
I grew up with this charismatic, prosperity gospel nonsense- TBN for example - and I was always a little unsure, but went along with it until I was in my 30’s and the Lord lead me closer to Him through trials and being open to letting Him direct me. Praise God. I’m so so SO grateful😭
I left at 25. It blew my world up but I had to start over
Thank you for this video. Needed it several months ago and needed it tonight. Much appreciated.
It's okay to get excited about Jesus when you are worshiping Him! The scriptures teach "enter His gates with thanksgiving and His courts with praise" (Psalm 100:4) I experience joy in my soul and spirit when I worship Him, in Spirit and in Truth (John 4:24). I went to a church for years where I saw the most excitement from people on the Wednesday night dinner! How sad! And from everything I have heard as lyrics go have been right in line with the Word. God enjoys our worship and it brings pleasure to Him! People get excited about sports, jobs, vacations, graduations, marriages, on and on but fail to enter into worship and get excited about the Lord who has saved them from an eternity in Hell and given them an eternity in Heaven in the fullness of Jesus's presence! WE MISS THE MARK!!! God does not accept just whatever worship we believe is acceptable to Him. He has told us in His word what He accepts. In Spirit and in Truth, from the heart of our heart, sincere, no pretense, centered on Him alone!
Yeah their arguments about the love of God being creepy worked against them here. Word of faith is not just bad theology, it gets the christian fundamentals wrong. It cuts against the current of the obvious message of scripture which is man's sin nature and deep need for God.
@@blakekendall6156I couldn’t listen the whole video. Who said the love of God is creepy??
I just went to the Hillsong Christmas Spectacular concert (invited by a friend). Almost 70% of the songs and themes were about Santa, they were literally praising Santa way more than Jesus and brought Santa up to the stage after a big hype. Jesus’ name was only mentioned right at the end for about 2 songs. It was clear to me after that, what their true motive is.
Why attend our church then, if you clearly don't believe? Even if a friend did invite you, how strange that you would accept an invite if you're not a believer.
@@belindathomas7430 As a person who can't stand Hillsong's nonsense, I might go. It's good (in very small doses) to know exactly what the heretics and false teachers are up to, so you aren't blindsided or undermined in your true and biblical ministry. Sometimes being able to see exactly what's wrong and grieve over it is useful! Too, with God you can find a grain of truth or an important message even buried in something terrible.
@@TheTrenchesYT well, we don't have "heretics" or "false teachers" in our church. If you're going only to cause trouble then don't bother. You sound very prideful and judgemental.
@@belindathomas7430 clearly don’t believe? In what? I am a believer. Of Jesus Christ our saviour, not Santa Claus or Hillsong Church itself. I accepted the invitation thinking it will be an event celebrating Jesus’ birth. Which I found not to be the case 5 minutes into the show. So what you’re saying is, if I don’t accept Santa Claus as my Lord and Saviour, I shouldn’t attend Hillsong? Your comment shows everything wrong with Hillsong today.
@@Swalexbass yea I'm not having this discussion with you
I totally agree with brother Justin, stay in with your first love and love those sheep enough to guard them!
Personally...I don't belong to either the Bethel or Hillsong churches and I don't really care if they are true churches or not because I don't research what they believe in, but I love their music. I'm aware of the few bad apples in those churches, but I'm adult enough to separate the parts I like from what I don't. I'm not removing all of the songs I like because of a few sinners; which we are all sinners and sin is equal in the eyes of the bible...plus, I thought I the bible teaches forgiveness...but what do I know. This is just me, but I find that the people who claim to be the most religious tend to be the most judgemental and least forgiving. ll I know is the Hillsong and Bethel songs are great and make me feel good. The day they don't, I'll stop listening.
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I don't like Justin Peter's he is very negative and legalistic
I think you proved one of their points. Their songs make you feel good. True worship is for God and how He feels about it. True worship isnt about how it makes us feel. Worship is and always will be about and for God. I agree with the view that if the song is theologically correct (meaning if it's truth taught in scripture), then i dont see an issue with it whether ppl negate it bcuz it comes from certain names. Cuz just because there are some ppl who are "bad apples", doesn't mean that one or two songwriters are also bad apples too. One or two writers could be actually in the "right" place but just need to move away from the bad company bcuz bad company corrupts good character. If they dont want to give that up, then they may also have to check themselves. This comment isnt coming fromva perfect Christian. Its coming from a Christian who has knowledge and understanding by the grace of God.
@@sunshinedesigns9303 not exactly. Most people listen to Christian songs that make them feel good and happy spiritually. I understand your point but I like these songs as a way to feel closer to my savior and more Christian.
I totally agree with you. Although I am a catholic, I do love their music, as I constantly feel the presence of the Holy Spirit when listening to it.
I respectfully say, when the Church begins to turn on itself, it only makes me go deeper into prayer. Tonight I asked God about this dialogue; because I was so alarmed at all sides of the coin. Still praying as instructed BIG PRAYERS.🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
i have recently found that we are seeing more and more some of the greatest leaders turn on scripture. I would suggest you search out and listen to the messages and seek to see if they are telling the truth. I just found this today, but I have seen a lot of big leaders change the word and how we see it. Listen to the words and see if they match up to the word of God, I would print out the music and look and see what the words are saying and see if they line up to the word of God. You will find your answers in this.
I have the same feelings. It seems so much conflict these days, and everyone can find imperfect things in others. I feel so confused and not sure who to believe. I go with my heart, and pray on it. These are some of my favorite songs, and I love them for worship. I will look closely at the lyrics I guess, then see what the Spirit tells me to do.
@@marchellewilliams5945I think you missed the point. I think theyveerecreferringvto the “biting and devouring”of one another in the comments.
@@J_LOVES_ME I agree. They have some valid points but others are a stretch to me and sound like bickering. I've heard Hillsong, Jesus Culture and Bethel my whole life, and I don't think I ever watched any of their sermons; with that being said, this argument is weak to me. Also, you don't have to pay them when you sing their songs in church; if you're live streaming, it's a different story. With this argument out of the way, every song is written by a sinner who is equally in need of the Grace of God. I have to say that I do agree with what they say about doctrines and about some of the lyrics; besides having the purpose of making you feel something, they appear indeed too romanticized.
I feel as Christians, we expect to be spoon feed the truth. I have come to realize that no church can truely do justice on teaching the word of God so my main priority is studying scripture. There veiws on Jesus was deeply disturbing to me and completely insane.
What's funny is I used to need music, worship music playing while I prayed when I was a teenager. At that age we are emotionally driven and "need" to be ushered into God's presence. But I grew up listening to Carman and Steven Curtis Chapman. Now as an older man don't need it. It's a distraction. I count all things a loss so that I can gain Christ more. It's just me in prayer in my room. Thanks for this. I always had a weird feeling to their music and lyrics so I stopped listening on my own. They are targeting a younger audience but the lack of sound doctrine is scarce and not being taught. I blame this culture of trying not to offend anyone and being accepting and fitting into what is.
Thanks for sharing I feel the same but thought maybe something was wrong with my desire to worship
Amen to that
I still use music, I also write music
Thank you for your wisdom. I've been trying to understand, to find the truth in everything that I hear and do
I still love my hymns, It says in scripture we are to praise him with sounds of joy. Don't get me wrong, I agree solo meditative prayer is also extremely important. Using both works for me depending on the time and place.
Honestly, I feel like one of the most important issues have been missed in this video is this. Churches like Hillsong have fostered a culture where sexual abuse, child abuse, power abuse and spiritual abuse. They protect the perpetrators especially if leaders within the church, and push aside the victims. The Bible has a very consistent theme on power, humans can't handle it well. Theology aside, any person who is placed over a large group of people is going to be corrupted by that power and will do what they can to maintain their reputation, at the cost of those around them. Honestly probably why a lot of Jesus's teaching pointed to giving away your riches to the poor. So to bring it back to the topic, playing music from these churches is quietly saying, we think the culture of these churches, the behaviours of the leaders, are within alignment to what we believe and endorse in our local church.
They're a cult.
What ☠️ when did HILLSONG do anything to children i décadas Don’t believe you.
Thank you very much. I have forwarded this to my worship leader and pastor, waiting to hear their responds.
If you pastor and worship leader wants to grow the church to get more money he will reject Justin's message , if they want to se poeple get born again they will accept it.
Well, they down right continued despite all the logical explanations given. The head pastor even stated that they consider Word of Faith to be heresy. Get that. They know it, but don't think anything wrong with supporting heresy by means of playing their music. Unreal. We left and found a baptist church that does not use their music and it is beautiful. The other church sounds pathetic, because those emotionally charged songs are ussually sung with lots of emotion and expression, but that is not happening and ackward instrumental sections in between verses and chorus. It is pathetic. They just want to be hip and do not consider the deeper things behind it all. @@michaelwhite6505
Worship Jesus with respect, reverence and rejoicing for His sacrifice. Be aware of false doctrine. Worship God in spirit and truth. Our audience is One. Do not dishonor His name. Psalm 132.
Much respect to Justin Peter's and Wretched. Very valid true points. Don't be caught up in the music and celebrity
Some decent points mixed with a lot of nonsense
I'm happy that they opened up comments.
While I don’t agree with the theology from Elevation, Bethel and Hillsongs, there are many beautiful, biblical songs (some derived from the Psalms), that God has given them. I look and see emotional reactions in the congregation and it appears to be nonsensical but “man looks upon the outward appearance but God looks upon the heart” 1st Samuel 16:7 So I will let God be the Judge. Proverbs 6:19 says that God hates those who “stir up dissensions among the brethren”. There’s something off here when a ministry is primarily focused on criticizing another ministry, denying any good they do, it borders on slander, which is sin. This is entirely different from admonishing someone within the local Body, under one’s care.
@@gregc.4117 the Bible already gave us many warnings.
@@gregc.4117 I mostly agree. Some of these songs, these kind of modern Christian Music, open the door for non-believers to begin to open their mind to Christ. I grew up with a lot of the "traditional hymns" and just do not like them, they turned me off to religion. Later, I started going to contemporary churches with modern Christian Music, I was like, YES, I like this, maybe I can give this whole Christianity a second look, and ultimately became saved.
My Church in the PH plays their songs like What A Beautiful Name, Goodness of God, I Give You My Heart, and many more from Hillsong and Bethel
feel ko kaya pinapatugtog nila yan yan minemention nila si Jesus and biblical naman talaga yumg lyrics. yung ibang kanta lang talaga ng bethel and hillsong parang love songs and di biblical like are you ready ng hillsong
@@hestia598 pwede naman yung hillsong at bethel
@@15yearoldgamer81 depende ata idk, i wont judge starting this day..
As long as centered on praising and worshiping God, goods na. That is why everytime when a new CCM is released, always check the lyrics.
@@hestia598 opo pwede naman yung songs nila.. pag christ center yung songs..
I needed to listen to this again,, as a church that I listen to for my Sunday morning church service has been singing songs from these groups,,, more and more. I had to go back and remind myself WHY these three groups are BAD and not sound doctrine “churches”. I just sent an email to the music pastor of the church and attached this video for them to watch and learn. Thank you Justin and Todd for your spiritual insights and research!! ❤️🙏
You need to ask the Lord to show you from His word, the Bible, how to worship, what is worship. Worship is giving to God, the praise of our heart expressed thru our mouth and voice for all that He has done, is doing, and will do for us, and FOR WHO HE IS!
I would like to know what the response was.
Did they ever respond? How did it go
Could you please tell us what the response was?
I agree. I plan on doing that exact thing this week.
Luke 8:48 And he said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace.
Sorry but before these accusations even came out, watching Hillsong felt like something was wrong and over the top.
We ALL need to use our own discernment with this. I see the lyrics of the songs that speak to my heart, and I see nothing wrong with them. I expect that if these are not good for me, the Spirit will let me know, just like with everything else. I do not go to any of these churches, I simply listen to praise music and even what I like to call "faith-based" music (such as music that addresses the challenges we face as humans and how we can lean on the Lord during these times) when I am in my car or in the mood to listen at home. For me it is 100% praising Jesus and I sing at the top of my lungs. I suppose we could take a magnifying glass and look at every single Christian on the earth and find ways they are not walking perfectly. It really alarms me though how there seems to be more and more Christians going against each other on things these days. I will not participate in it.
One morning @ around 6am in May 2022, i was already awake but still laying on the bed. Something happened to me like i doze off and i saw a vision. In it, i saw myself at a certain place i didn't know, holding a Bible as i was standing there i heard a voice saying, "Number One Rule, 1️⃣THE NAME OF JESUS MUST BE HONORED IN THIS PLACE." And that was it. As try to figure out the place, the vision just fades and i woke up not knowing the place until this day. The vision was less than 2 minutes. I just want to encourage you Brethrens that wherever we may be or whatever you do make sure you are Honoring Christ and doing what Honors Him. Depend wholly on Holy Spirit our teacher... 1 John 2:27 Remain in the LORD
Just a word of caution. The Bible is God's complete inspired word. To put weight in dreams or visions means anything anyone else can dream carries the same weight as God's word. Who is to say what is real and what is not. Put aside anything that doesn't perfectly line up with God's word. Very dangerous.
That's why I don't find a church where I can find GOD. I was not crazy. Most of the churches are acting the same way :( I don't want that false spirit in me. I feel lonely sometimes because I want a community in Christ, but nobody talks about the true gospel, only about how much God's blessings (money, and how healthy they are even they are eating trash). Also, they play those emotional songs that I don't feel the presence of God like I feel in my closet alone. Thank you I will continue to seek God for sure, I will find a Church.
@@mpkropf5062 I tried a messianic synagogue before a few times. While they do say the Hebrew name of Christ, they are more into the religious aspects/doctrines of Judaism; like putting a box on your head when praying. They also didn't like me saying out loud Yahuwah (YHWH), but could say Yeshua. At any rate, you should feel comfortable, and welcomed no matter where you go, but didn't feel the spirit flowing in love when I went there.
@ betza, the Holy Spirit through Psalmist declares that He will instruct us and teach us the way we will go and his eyes will be our guide Psalm 32:8. You can connect online via KZhead to the teachings of Joshua Selman "koinonia"; Arome Osayi " RCN"; Pastor Kumuyi " Deeper Bible Church". Their teachings will bless you indeed. May the Holy Spirit lead your heart to Christ fullness. Amen
i can relate glad im not alone thanks for your honesty
You can try First Church Truth of God! Their sermons are biblical.
Here's a good example why this video is a problem. Because of these vicious theories...some ppl will fall away from all Churches in general, be fearful n suspicious of all, hold back giving, n miss out on a closer walk w Jesus n his family, the Church.
Thank you for this. i needed to hear this. JESUS IS LORD AND HIS TRUTH SHALL PREVAIL.
yes it shall ☺😇
l have listened to three of this band Bethel Music's songs, more than once. During one of these times, while l was doing this listening session. . . . l felt so close to my Lord, & Saviour. Frankly, lMO, not sure if any of you, even know what is a real Christian, from a Non-believer. Another thing, when l hear you use the word *Elder, l am reminded of a group of people who walk around, from house to house. . . .handing out their churchs tracks, & pushing their beliefs onto anyone/everyone, who will let them in, & give them their time. l think my time is better served on a (topic,) more worthwhile. lMO, this *isn't one of those kind of topics. I hope you Gentleman have a great rest of your day.
2 Samuel 6:12-23 David worshiped God in not to formal attire and danced before the Lord in public and was later rebuked for doing so. Saul's daughter, Michal, saw this and rebuked him for his undignified behavior as a king. And Michal had no children to the day of her death. (judgement from God, maybe). I too like some of Bethel and Hillsong praise and worship music. I have experienced God bringing up inside my heart the melody and lyrics to some of their songs ("the Goodness of God" and "I Raise a Hallelujah") to minister the peace, encouragement, guidance, and emotional and mental healing I needed at that moment. You keep pursuing Him and you will find Him, regardless of the unChristlike evaluations of their music!
9 months ago, but I will ask anyways. Is it the Lord's presence you sense while listening to this music? Or is it an emotional response that you are confusing with the Lords Presence? Most I believe have never felt the Lord's presence, and once you do you know its Him. I'm willing to bet that it wasn't the Lord you felt, but more emotional response to keys and timing of the music. This is a common thing the enemy does to deceive people into thinking "oh its God!" when it isn't. Beware of false teachers and beware of the wolves that are in sheep's clothing for they will devour you before you realize what is going on. And to answer the question you most likely have: Yes, I have felt the Lords Presence, I felt the Holy Spirit move from one side to another in the church I used to attend. I also felt Him in my room at the end of my bed as he spoke out to me saying "Jake" in a whispering soft voice when I first got saved at 15 years old. Since then, I have had many encounters and have witnessed many things from God, and the devil. Feeling and seeing both, I know the difference and the presence of the Lord is unmistakable.
Did you have any emotion before after and during your encounters with God? If a person has a Gods Spirit dwelling inside them, we shouldn’t passively discredit their experience through questioning if their emotions were leading them. I have found God meet me at very emotional points in my life. I have been baptized in the HS and felt the presence of God both times emotions were at play. If someone is in act of worship or praise, loving God and FEELING his love-let us encourage them and worship with the body
You just told your Sean’s other that he was rebuked because of his close nothing else ☠️?
I remember watching this video when it was released. It was less than a month before the world completely changed, crazy to think that we were debating these things on CCM but the past three years it seems the focus has gone entirely in tyranny.
“Im gonna sing in the middle of the storm. Louder and louder, you’re gonna hear my praises roar. Up from the ashes, hope will arise. Death is defeated, the king is alive.” “My God is able to save and deliver and heal and restore anything that he wants to. Just ask the man who was thrown on the bones of Elisha if there’s anything that he can’t do. Just ask the stone that was rolled at the tomb in the garden what happens when God says to move.” “All hail king Jesus. All hail the Lord of Heaven and earth. All hail king Jesus. All hail the savior of the world.” “Here I stand high in surrender I need you now. Hold my heart now and forever my soul cries out. Once I was broken but you loved my whole heart through. Death has no hold on me cause your grace holds me now. And your grace holds that ground.”
What about this?
Absolutely, people must stop being selective and just serve God the best they know how.
Ask for discernment from GOD alone and HE is always there to lead us for HIS glory!
Hi Todd you are an excellent interviewer I have only seen your videos waking people up to the error of their ways and their churches ways. Bravo to you both Thanks for doing this and sharing. I am so concerned with the growth of these false doctrine come and have fun and let us entertain you churches
God bless you Todd and Justin. I'd brought up my concerns to my pastor and showed him this video as well (I'm not very good with words, I find it hard to get my point across when I'm talking with someone face to face) and praise God there's no Bethel or Hillsong or Elevation, etc. being sung in our church's worship anymore! I'm incredibly happy to be able to worship with fellow believers with a clear conscience, in part thanks to this video you've made.
Man I wish I woulda got that result. My worship leader told me "yea well some 'christians' believe (insert nonsense here ie. SpongeBob, pokemon, eating pork, you get the idea) is evil too so I just ignore it. My heart was heavily saddened and I ended up not being on the worship team anymore
Their music just tickles the ears but does not convict the heart. Jumping ,clapping ,danceing with boom boom music.
Rubbish
It does you just gotta be consistent to feel God.
Cessationist cannot grasp that it is the Holy Spirit that “quickeneth” (John 6:63), therefore they wrongly attribute all demonstriveness, all hand raising, all voice raising to emotionalism. No, it is the Holy Spirit that quickeneth! Stop attacking the things of the Holy Spirit.
It is a lie. Please be careful how you castigate people. It never tickles my ear but inspires me greatly and draws me more to God.
Absolutely true. And I can’t believe I’m about to say this but I’ve experienced even worse worship music coming from a church service. I went to Church by the Glades one time, which I almost never go to, and they had this huge orchestrated performance of a Kendrick Lamar song from his new album that looked like it took months of preparation and choreography. They had fire, lights, smoke, all of it. But the worst part about it was the artist whose song they were singing. And I’m 99% sure they’ve seen the picture of Kendrick Lamar imitating Jesus with a crown of thorns on his head from his new album cover, since the song they played came from it. What kind of worship team in their right mind thinks it’s fine to play a song by a man who literally imitated the most painful execution in the history of humanity from the one and only true messiah on live television? Who is HE to imitate his death? NO ONE on this earth ever lived a life as persecuted and painful as Jesus, yet Kendrick Lamar believes it’s fine to make a performance out of it? Thinking it praises the kingdom of God? I was in dismay when I saw the song being performed with some of the lyrics switched up on a Sunday morning church service. Church by the Glades truly is a church of false converts…
They will be exposed we come knowing them that becomes our knowing the truth which will save us free
yikes church by the glades 😬
lol
They got a Dodge Viper on the stage 🤣
i ve experienced the same over the years..as well big showy mega church performance. these methodscan be gimmicks.. not the Holy Spirit.... big difference there is something trying to counterfeit the Spirit of God Reply
I sing Hillsong worship songs to myself in my bedroom. No money is changing hands, and since I have been a Christian from childhood I believe that I can judge which songs do "pass muster" theologically. I also sing some old hymns, some of which are written by writers with some dubious beliefs, but I believe have sound wording.
I totally agree with you🙏
God is not honored by worship songs written by false churches, regardless of where you are.
Incredible!!! Thank you Justin Peters for the courage to speak out against false churches and pastors.
Justin is absolutely right, even me when I was a kid I randomly listened to hills song n Bethel song when ever I go to church I wanna do like them, praising with songs of hills song that means I was addicted to those songs not to God.. Now I open my eyes even I praise God on Saturday not on Sunday...
Why are u addicted to the song..? Im addicted to the Holy Spirit when I sing .
30 years ago when I was a new babe in Christ, we would sing a song "lets lift up Jesus, lets lift him higher, lift him up for the world to see.... he said if I be lifted up from the earth I will draw all men unto me". A church brother disliked us singing such a song because it was error. Because Jesus said that line in regards to his crucifixion. The gentleman thought in essence that we are saying "lets crucify Jesus". The thing is .... he is right but yet the spirit behind it is wrong. This is why Jesus warned us to beware of the leaven of the Pharisees. It is a spirit of self righteousness and it is like yeast when you allow it place when you caste a downward eye on your fellow believers. The speck and beam teaching of Christ teaches us that if we think we can judge and criticize a speck of dust in someone else....we are likely to have something bigger in our own eyes. Jesus counsells us to work on the things in our own eyes, or our own hearts. For me it has become a 24/7 job..... the closer I get to the light, the more hideous things I see in myself.
Amen i see nothing wrong in this song!! it is biblical
If you lift Jesus up He will draw all men to Himself doesn't mean that sister. It means, as we point men to Christ by talking about Him, worshipping Him with our lives etc, Jesus Himself will draw men to Himself. So it shows us a more effective way of evangelizing.
The man was right. Jesus specifically said in that passage that he would be lifted up, he will draw all people to himself. Does he draw all people to himself because you are doing some “lifting” by singing that song? If you had a teachable spirit you would have respected that older man, who dhould have been treated as a father by you as a younger believer (that’s what the scripture says!!). He was correct because he knew the next sentence spoken by Jesus: “He said this to show the kind of death he was going to die.” John 12:33 NIV Also, what you said is not at all the meaning of the “leaven of the Pharisees”. The leaven of the Pharisees was in fact misinterpreting the message of the Torah. You are misinterpreting the words of Yeshua. So you do have that in common with them. Jesus corrected the Pharisees WITH the scripture. You simply follow your FEELINGS. That is idolatry because you follow your faulty fleshly heart.
no villa the leaven of the pharisees was self-rightousness
Very well said
Excellent teaching I wish every church taught on this stuff. First thing people in the church will say don’t judge those folks or I’m not putting my mouth on them, Paul didn’t have a problem with doing it and he called them out by name. When you judge, judge rightly.
tHANK YOU ! I discovered Hillsong music a few weeks ago. Became addicted and became agitated. Today I went back to HARPA DEI. my nervous system is thanking me ! (Yes, I have been under a rock and for the last 3 years, and since back on the long road back to God, have listened almost excusively to HARPA DEI, Gregorian Chants and Aramaic songs by singers such as Fr Seraphim.) I didnt know Hillsong or any contemporary christian pop music until I decided to explore a church here in South Africa. I normally went to the Greek Orthodox one, as their singing is so calming on the soul, it brings me to tears...the sheer beauty of it.
I never had problems with some music of Hillsong, such as scandal of grace, oceans, so will I, above all, I surrender, oceans. It’s all about what brings you closer to God, which can be very personal. I am usually not a fan of these videos, because it brings a lot of judgment and misconceptions. But most of these music I’ve said, were the ones which brought me closer to God in worship. I’m sure we all have our tastes, as you have yours and I respect that, but being agitated can be that for you it wasn’t what tou wanted to have that moment with God. In any way, respect and love from your brother in Christ
I agree that profiting off God is bad and all these other things, but in all honestly if I can encounter God and praise him through their songs then I don’t see a problem with it in my faith. It doesn’t alter my faith nor does it harm it. I don’t agree with the teachings of the churches so I don’t listen to that but I do listen to the songs they play because it strengthens my faith.
Yes it was working before by the time u as a person you were not aware of the truth but now you are aware of how fake they are and how the sources of those songs offends to God now it's better to budge from those church related stuffs including songs... Remember apostle Paul saying what manifest what's in the darkness is the light such as when we speak out could be when we renounce them 🤔
@@fredrickmaverick4831 I don’t see how some of these songs offend God as it doesn’t state wrong teaching from my knowledge.
@@Cheeseballzzzz Exactly, I found Jesus through some of these songs. They touch my heart. How is that a bad thing?
You are missing a big fact. These churches are meeting the unsaved. Your old churches are NOT getting the unsaved and the churches are closing. You should get on your knees and be thankful that people are being saved. Get your heart right with God and be thankful that people's Re meeting God. I'm am one of them
Truth to be told.🙏🏾
I was in my room and turned on Ocean by Hillsong United and I felt the presence of God. God hugged me and said : I'm your Father. That's my turning point in life and I decided to follow Jesus. (And after that I'm 100% healed) I was a moslem but now I'm a follower of Christ! 🙌🏼 And I always experienced the presence of God with Hillsong, Bethel or Jesus Culture' songs. What's wrong with you guys????!!! Don't you have another topic????
The Gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of the God man, Jesus Christ. It's the good news for fallen man. Man's condition due to sin is eternally separated from God. also called spiritual death. God's love for man was demonstrated by the giving of his Son. For God so loved the world that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have eternal life. This is the purpose of Jesus dying on that cross, to reconcile man to God by faith through his shed blood. If nobody was to ever get sick, then explain cemeteries or hospitals. No one gets out of here alive. We all die a physical death. It's the spiritual death or, eternal seperation from God that one should be concerned about and not how much money they have in the bank.
Some Hillsong and similar songs have false teachings, so we should take care
It’s not the songs that are the issue, at least in some cases, but rather it’s the churches that are the problem. Bethel, elevation, and hillsong church are all three not good churches who believe many false things.
Oh really ! ☠️point to me one 😒. Cause when I use to hear it in Spanish Jesus por ti yo viviré y Yo nunca me avergonzare te doy todo lo que soy toma tómalo . Saying: Jesús for you I will live and I will never feel ashamed of you I want to give you all that I’m. Take it , take it All . “ I see Nothing Wrong with that song . I never heard the English version but I translated the Spanish version .
@@arekusandora7091 The song that I love is "Just As I Am". There is another, "Who Am I". Music is important but it should never drown out the message.
I came here because I listened to Oceans by hillsong. It's a beautiful song but I want to worship God in spirit and in truth...
I wonder how many souls would be saved if the 20 minutes of this time would have been reaching people instead of bashing people. Your love has ravished my heart. Song of Solomon 4. Jesus speaking to His bride.
I love that song too
There are people that are lost inside the church, they are actually saving people inside the church.
It can be very difficult to hear prophets and watchmen. They are a part of the body of Christ. We wonder sometimes if they are just bitter, twisted fringers needing healing or faithfully following a legitimate calling.
I feel like this needs to be updated 🎉
I agree...it would be nice to see a more current version.
Allen, I am so glad you made this video. My church started singing this song in the last few months and it has seriously turned me off. Your objection makes perfect sense and really hits at the heart of the song's problem. My gut reaction to the song is a visualization of chaotic frenzied yelling and screaming that too many identify with spiritual power and holiness when it is really nothing of the sort. To be blunt, it's unedifying. That song bothered me along with my church starting to put distracting moving backgrounds of stars or waves behind the lyrics. There is something off about that and I would love to get your reaction to that, Allen. For me, just the slightest subtle suggestion that God's spirit is moving in the lighting behind the lyrics is a serious issue. Our God's presence should not be downgraded to having the likeness of a Screensaver. That's totally messed up. Brothers and sisters in Christ, we need to rein it in a little bit. God Bless
Don't just believe the words of one man, seek for yourself the truth because we are living in the end days.
I understand what they are trying to say. But at the same time, going by what they say then I need to check behind every song writer and performer to make sure they are living what I perceive to be the true gospel. The first statement he made about time having passed by since the hymns were wrote was the most perplexing statement I’ve heard. According to that, time erases sin or false theology. Oh it was a long time ago so it’s ok to sing now. With that belief, Hillsong and Bethel songs will be ok to sing 100 years from now. Don’t let anybody tell you what you should listen too or believe. Let God tell you and only Him.
The difference is that you're not financially or otherwise supporting wolves who prey on the ignorant and helpless
I listen to Bethel and Hillsong music..l used to judge churches and pastors.. they are so and so..till God allowed lies to circulate about me as a worshipper..l now realise that every human has a story that only God can write and complete truthfully not assuming..so God be praised because He is in control and needs more workers in the fields ..
We absolutely should check behind every writer and performer. They are ministers of music and they need to be held to the biblical standard of being a minister. God speaks to us through the Scriptures. We are to judge the music and ministries righteously according to scripture.
That is exactly what I was thinking.
Yep follow false teachers and a false jesus so you can listen to catchy toons and not feel bad about it. Seriously ppl yall neef to wake up
I do believe that we have different approach about this matter but i will not stop using their music in worshipping GOD if I'm trying to Walk Jesus way of living i guess there's nothing wrong with it. I've been (and still goin) in Music team or we call it Worship Team we've tried different music of artist and i do believe that we try our best to make a great line up (list of praise and worship before the sermon) by worshipping Him in truth and Faith . So far I'm still in the music team for almost 20yrs now but still excited when it come to praising and worshipping Him.
Its all about reaching out. Time have changed to encourage especially youngsters to keep in touch. Modern music is NOT a "hook" but an Oasis thats not available in Yester-years in churches. What's wrong preparing the emotion and feelings from worshipping with sole purpose that God Jesus, the center of it all? Some ppl are tone deaf or less musical incline but thats alright, they still can worship alone too. Imagine without these "Music:" How else and Where else can you share Jesus to them? Theres no perfect platform anywhere as long as each individual aske God for guidance and wisdom in his/her walk. Peace Shalom..
Amen. This is quite Pharisee-like...
Thank you for enlightening me🙏
I so wish I could meet you one on one someday ! I'm a 59 y o disabled veteran and live with my son. At this point I'm alone in a trailer when it comes to my Christianity !!!! I have the internet my bible with no church to attend and nobody to worship with ! I have the Lord to pray to read his word and you and very few preachers to listen to !!! I don't trust any preachers where I live they seem to be about money and worldly things more then preaching salvation and repentance !!! I know your a busy man and I'm one out of many I would love encouragement and advice from you if I could !!!!! I've learned from you and the scriptures to better spot false prophets and it seems to me there's more corrupt preachers then true ones anymore !!!! I need the Lord as my King and Holy redeemer along with the guidance of the Holy spirit !!!! I want to get it right because to me living without God and his precious saving son and his Holy spirit life wouldn't be worth living !!!!! I so need to serve him according to his will !!! I'm old and my mind slips now and then I need to get it right for my saviour and my heavenly father !!!! I have no car to go searching for good Bible believing churches and need some guidance !!!! Can you give me some words of understanding and encouragement please !!!!!!!!
I really hope the best for you. May the good Lord fulfill your desires for him.
God bless you brother. You have said some things that show you love God.
Glad I wasn’t the only one that felt this was a little weird while I was worshiping. Most worship songs I’m OK with but every time I listen to something like Hillsong it always feels like it’s a really deep love song to a human and not to a God because we have to respect God on a completely different level but the lyrics are same thing as an R&B song that’s not right
That was my reaction too. So glad I'm not alone. For some reason every time when a Bethel or (new) Hillsong song came up on a Spotify playlist ( so I was not aware of the author) I really strongly felt the Holy Spirit telling me to skip that song.
@@andrean.c.9445 What about the other thousands people whose souls are being saved thru their songs and helping the people with their problems and situations???? Also bringing them closer to God
God is love, he sends love with the holy spirit. Yes people might not be prefect but u gotta understand the reason for these songs. These songs made people come to jesus. When the song ocean happens "keep my eyes above the waters as the ocean rise" Means kinda like to keep their eyes open to the life above rather to be blinded and drowned in the bottomless pit of sin
@@ramchilulehau6965if its not biblical its not Christian, that's why they are called false converts
@@onerooboiSongs do not bring anyone to Jesus. God brings people to His son . The Bible says we were dead and until He regenerates us we cannot come to know Him. The good news is that those the Father give to the Son, the Son will not lose. John 6:37-39
There are a thousand comments on here but I'm throwing my hat in the ring anyway. I'm 40 years old but I still remember being a teen and young adult and I absolutely sought out the entire albums of the artists whose songs we sang at church camp or youth revivals or chapel at the Christian school I went to. I would have been at the Christian book store buying Bethel/Hillsong/Elevation cds if their songs had been played during worship wherever I found myself. It almost sounded ridiculous to me when Justin first said that people will notice the fine print on the screen but then I remembered the CDs I bought back in the day. It's not ridiculous at all to think that people will seek these churches out because of one song that moved them.
it's not wrong to want to be healthy and healed......i also enjoy bethel music. i dont hear any valid claims in this video.
Y’all, this is so crazy because I had listened to a Hillsong playlist the other week and something didn’t sit right in my soul. I just couldn’t understand why because it’s worship music right? well, now I know! God must have nudged my spirit. I haven’t been in the mood to listen to music at all in general! Christian music or not, I am simply weening out of it. I’ve been listening to piano instrumentals only or soft mellow beats.
Im gonna give my opinion, well you don't listen to Christian song and then just waiting to feel tingling on your skin, that doesnt mean when youre not feeling anything that Christ ist there.
Oii literally the same experience!! I've barely listened to any music and I use to be big on it! Definitely god is moving 🙏🏽✝️✨
try listening to This I believe by hillsong
@@hestia598 I listened to it, but I'm struggling to get how the song is bad. please explain to me 😢
@@sam_my160 they said all hillsong worship are not biblical or sumn
Rather than call police when their drinking partner fell ? or was pushed ? off a nearly 200-foot cliff, two students at a Redding Bible school tried first to reach the severely wounded man and pray him back to life, a lawsuit alleges. In a lawsuit filed this month in Shasta County Superior Court exactly two years to the day after he was pulled by search-and-rescue crews from the banks of the Sacramento River, Jason Michael Carlsen alleges that when Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry students Sarah Elisabeth Koivumaki and Zachary Gudelunas couldn't reach him to heal him with their prayers, they spent hours debating whether to call the police. Bethel's members purport to have the ability to heal people through prayer and bring the dead back to life. The two later told police they thought Carlsen was killed in the fall. Worried that they would be exiled from the church, the two Bethel students also went so far as to try to cover up evidence they'd even been at the top of the cliff, the lawsuit alleges.
❤Justin Peters off. He says God doesn't do any organic healing anymore and I know cases where He has. Justin seems to be bitter about not getting healed and has gone on a rampage.
I was thinking that but you said it... 😬❤️ I pray he does get healed and change his negative, Judgy and religious stance
What Brings me closest to God is silence. Working in construction I'm in noise constantly. So to be in a noisy church is just painful.
I suggest we hold off on the romantic aspect being a problem, the church is literally Jesus’s wife. That’s how the New Testament describes our relationship. So that isn’t really creepy, that’s actually biblical
true. words cannot express the love that we can give and offer to JESUS. He's kind of extremist, trying to disrupt what we all Christians were brought up singing for JESUS -- I feel sorry for this man, his understanding of how GOD's vast and enormous power over all us cannot be fathomed, and yes I agree to what you are saying Trent, the church is literally or should I say biblically the bride, and how will the bride express its love to his groom ? right?
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Extremely on point. If you see carnality in that expression in worship, then potna, YOUR HEART is in the wrong place, not the Worship Team.
As a worship leader in my church, I have avoided some Hillsong songs in worship, and I have avoided some songs by Maverick City as well. If the song does not glorify GOD, it will not be done. There are some songs that we do, written or at least sang by Bethel, that the spirit fills the room, and people weep from the move of the spirit, including myself. The fact that someone gets pennies for a church playing their song, is no different than going to a shopping center and them play an Elton John song, which he gets paid. Should we then not purchase groceries from that store if the store is paying royalties to someone who does not agree with what we believe. And the comment about preaching being worship. Spoken like a true pastor who is star struck himself, to think that worship is not song and only the preaching. It takes both in my opinion. Not to say God cannot use just one, but in my experience, which is 40 years of worship ministry, the worship music softens the hearts and brings conviction to the non believer. The word is then brought forth to lead that conviction to repentance. It's both, not just preaching as spoken in the video. I am in no way saying that either of these church's doctrine are correct. I am just talking about the songs, which is what the title of this video states. Let's look a little deeper... How about the Pastors, start paying taxes, and avoid the 501c3 that he uses to be non profit, but yet fill his pockets to the full with Baal's worldly money? Boy that hurts doesn't it? Who are you worshiping by taking the worlds money and avoid paying tax, and avoid preaching the truth, because you will get your hands slapped by the baal worshiping government. If you are a 501c3 you have signed up with Baal in my opinion, and no different than the Mega Church you speak against. I don't believe in a prosperity gospel, but I know that paying my tithing every week, God blesses me beyond measure! The church is 4 walls, and nothing more. The people are the church, and its time for it to rise up and get out of those 4 walls and preach the gospel! So to land the plane, I feel that it is best to pray that God gives you the discernment on what songs to listen to, and do in your church. If it does not glorify Christ, then it should not be done. All praise, glory and honor be to the King of Kings and Lord of Lords, Jesus Christ!
Amen! I have heard country music that made me think about God! Just saying,I feel that if a song makes you feel God, puts you in a spiritual atmosphere for Jesus, the Lord knows your heart!
That's an awful representation. 1 Corinthians 5 talks about how he told them not to associate with the sexually immoral, idolators, greedy, etc. and then it states not at ALL meaning the ones of the world or then you'd have to be out of the world. Then it says specifically, that he means not to associate with anyone who bares the name brother and does not obey His commandments. Elton John isn't claiming to write music for God. Hillsong is, while not obeying and following His teachings. That is a HUGE difference. Do not overlook this. All said with love no hate. I hope you see what I'm talking about.
The reason why Christianity is abandoned because we tried to isolate it out of the society. Buying an worship album is helping them, their life and the church as well. I listen to hilsong music and never paid even a single penny for it.
We have listened to Hillsong and Bethel in our church for years and had many people to come to the Lord, with tear filled eyes. People are just knit-picking over anything to make more confusion in the church body, especially with topics like this.
@@tracebillings6577 can you explain 1 Corinthians 5 then please?
I saw the fine print and refused to sing those songs. I didn't know why exactly. Now I do.
Hillsong did “the Creed” I believe in God the Father, I believe in Christ the Son, I believe in the Holy Spirit…. This says it all for me. Whatever you say…they preach Jesus and I will continue to Listen to them over and over again and will still tell my friends about them and their songs(Philippians 1 :8)
Those words are "I believe in Jesus Christ ", make sure they say the name of Jesus if a church won't say the name Jesus get your butt out of there
I mentioned this a while ago and people pointed and laughed at me. Nowadays nobody thinks for themselves, they just look at names, positions and titles. Ever seen Hillsongs "peace" music video? There's a reason why.
Great interview. Thank you for your insight.
I am from Africa 5:18 and I can confirm this. Thank God I am part of Christ’s Church ❤
Same and it is THE WORST
Beloved, let us love one another. For love is of God and everyone that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that loveth not, knoweth not God, for God is love. 1 John 4:7-8
I have been forced to really think about this. Especially considering I recently heard the song "Your Goodness" by Bethel. It is many of our themes, our stories, and biblically sound. However, that it might lead someone to the false doctrines of Bethel or Elevation causes me great pause. As for me I am thinking there are so many wonderful old hymns and current worship that is truly worship, that I will stick to those lest I err and injure others.
What about "Reckless Love"? when did the Bible teach us God was reckless?
@@russh2659 from an unsaved person’s perspective, His love is extremely reckless. Once the Holy Spirit gets ahold of you, you realize that it is far greater and stable than you initially thought.
@@russh2659 I played RL a number of times on 2 different worship teams never once did I come up with the idea God was reckless anyway shape or form. It's a figure of speech. Like in Luke chapter 2 when all the world was to be taxed. Was the Bible teaching all the world was to be taxed no it was a figure of speech.
@@albertlopez2237 Thank you brother, it was the author that came up with it as he explains (says not, but then kind of retracts) Attributes of God are NOT a figure of speech. The "modern" church has been making inroads into bringing God down to our level. It is error and irreverent at best.
@@testingmyaudioaddiction3452 So, rather than attribute recklessness to God, it should be taught what God IS rather than He is NOT. Better to sing God's attributes and lift up than mislead. This song should never be "performed" in a church. Worship, in function, should be done with the utmost reverence toward God. Save the discussions for small groups. It is another problem for some of the "modern" church models is there are no truly grounded elders versed in the Scripture, not just the NT.
Love you brothers. Thank you for the reminder, I really wandered off. Pray for me.
Justin Peters is a true man of God.. He is fearless and courageous! I admire and respect every word he says. 🙏
Yep, we love Justin too! - Ethan from Wretched
I’m so glad for the life of Justin Peters. He is a man of God and I enjoy learning from him.
Justin Peters make pretty serious allegations the motives of EVERY person that has EVER been part of the aforementioned churches. He claims to kniw the motive of EVERY person for EVERY song. How on earth does he believe he has such knowledge??
The power of Jesus is delivered differently, thos doesn't make it wroth, if these preachers are wrong.......they will stand before God and give an account of themselves.
Thanks for this!
I love the hymns🥰🥰🥰
Without the music, would you have ever heard of Hillsong?
I love worship songs of hillsong church. Their worship song band and singers have nothing to do with the corruption of some of their pastors. I don't think these worship band knew any thing about adultery committed by some of their pastors
If that's the case then the Israelites shouldn't have been punished for the sins, David did!
Oh I'm sure they did
Interesting. God had lead me over the years to change my songs I listen to from Hillsong and Bethel to some more classic songs and also more Upperroom. And month by month He reveals me songs that I should not worship to; and at this moment I notice that all songs that are left are worshipping Him only, no lyrics about what "I am doing" like "I worship" or "I did this". Worship is onky about the Holy God we serve, his Glory and Goodness. And we do not need more than that - we don't need songs that focus on us, we need songs that put our focus on Christ Jesus our savior and Holy God. Thank you for this video!!! God bless you.
It's a common fact that we do not criticize people who are below us, but rather those who are above us. Perhaps they pose a threat to us. Perhaps they have "something" we don't have. It makes we wonder why so many people dedicate so much time on trying to discredit other children of God. (Act 26:14&15 CEV: We all fell to the ground. Then I heard a voice say to me in Aramaic, "Saul, Saul, why are you so cruel to me? It's foolish to fight against me!" "Who are you?" I asked. Then the Lord answered, "I am Jesus! I am the one you are so cruel to.)
Yes!!!
This is so true.😪😓 People made me feel so bad because I don't Worship with this music. False Prophets indeed. They lure people in with cups of coffee,free food,nice breakfast,lunch, dinner. Then scream at you that you are going to hell for not worship with them. God spoke to me thru the Bible. He told me to flee. Not my Faith. They also demand money or tell you to leave. Call you mean names like Dork., Force the faith of false Prophets on people. It's confusing,silly,strange, weird and made me feel absolutely worthless. Yes, People are being brainwashed and gas lighted. Cult. It's a Cult. Grab your Bible and flee. I would much rather have communion on Sunday instead of a silly donut. They are Holy they have donuts. The Homeless are the most targeted for this type of worship. Not today Devil. Flee
Even in Heaven there is music, so if your Church or religion is void of music your Church is not Gods Church, it’s a Church that is governed by man and his rules and not God.
I fled. It's the only way
@@oneilricardo4994 Point probably being-- it doesn't have to be THIS music; music written by famous heretics.
To the people defending the music itself, I myself played their music as lead guitarist of my former church and have felt God in the worship and music and just like they said, a lot of the music itself is biblically sound. It's the money they receive from the songs being viewed on KZhead, or their albums bought, or churches singing them paying their copyright fee, which goes to support their evil "ministry" that is the core of the issue. Even if you never look up a single service, buy a single book, or follow them on any platform doesn't matter. I agree with what the guy in the video said, I don't believe God is pleased by worship music that literally pays wolves to spread their heresey and sorcery to clueless and trusting sheep. I didn't know better at the time when I was playing the music, I just got the songs on the list and learned them without a second thought just believing it was just music. I was very newly born again at that time but now that I know better I can't in good conscience play the songs in church. As far as singing the songs around a campfire, bethel isn't getting paid so I suppose it'd be fine but knowing the evil of the source would you really want to?
Thank you!!!
Our church sings these hillsong songs ourselves but we change the lyrics to be more biblically accurate. Thru christ we are already close to jesus as he is in our hearts but some songs have lyrics that make it seem like we are distant from god and need him to come closer.
Explain your strong words?? Evil?
So its how much money they r making is what made u believe that they are evil? Are they suppose to go poor? If u glorify God thru song God will bless u and ur band. This is what heaven is.. we worship God thru songs like those
@@mindblowing8672 clearly you didn't watch the vid or read my comment
Ask God to give us a spirit of discernment. Justin must preach the truth to win souls. He is on a fault finding mission
Yes. Walk away from these churches.😢 Please 🙏 save yourself from this.
I am glad I read the King James Bible when young. It is easy to be deceived. Much prayer fasting in these days.
Yep. Heard preachers like this in the 80’s. Different music styles, but same Religious spirit.
Same spirit Jesus called out as a "brood of vipers." This creates division more than a worship song to Jesus creates heresy.
That is why everyone has the Holy Spirit in their hearts to guide them into the truth. Stop judging & pray for the whole world. Only God can judge. Let's all pray for the world.❤🙏🙏🙏
They are doing exactly what God charges good Christian men to do! I would rather hear truth than music that exalts themselves rather than God! THANK YOU!!!!!!!🙏🏻