The Biggest Moment For Laptops Since Apple’s M1
2023 ж. 13 Жел.
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Intel Meteor Lake Laptop Performance Review.
Looking at the Core Ultra 7 155H vs AMD Ryzen 7840U and Apple M2
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How did Intel manage to make the naming less clear than before?
And they have the audacity to make the snake oil post making fun of amds naming
Yeah. Intel 4 is actually 7nm.
@@johnroberts2905and transistor density like tsmc 4nm
bruh core ultra 155h. just call it a i7-1455h or something
Yeah, amazing actually
its amazing we've got to the point where AMD and Intel are trading blows with apple when it comes to efficiency, this was almost unimaginable 3 years ago. thanks apple for raising the bar
AMD has always been competitive with Apple, it's just Intel that has been... lacking. Strix Zen 5 from AMD is likely to beat Apple, but that will change again with M4 chips, they are trading blows, and they have been since M1 got introduced
@@sagnaik switching to arm was all about apple though, otherwise you're right but at the end of the day they set the bar high with the M1 and Intel have had to react
@@VideogamesAsArt true, but with AMD supply is nonexistent, at least Intel laptops are widespread
@@defnotatroll I think this will change as Intel switched to EUV... I worry that their supply will be as low as AMD, or even lower at the beginning until they increase their only EUV fab's production
@@Justin_Leahytrue but take apple back to 7nm and let's see how it performs
You can't tell this story without discussing legacy software and x86. There is a massive userbase that still wants native x86 support and are willing to take a performance hit for that legacy support. Apple was able to move away as they control their software stack so tightly but this is huge for the more open ecosystem.
Meteor Lake is x86. However you're going to be seeing the PC side move to ARM at least for mobile.
x86 already is compiled into "micro-ops" by the CPU, which is equivalent to risc instructions to an extent. As more and more compilers target to this "risc" subset of x86 instructions, then Intel/AMD can do the same optimizations it normally does.
Not if you plan to run games on it - especially indies or legacy game that don't get a ton of development, or you use your device with a corporate software stack that use a ton of proprietary of legacy software stack. Heck some of my work software still need Windows7. Unless they made everything and I mean EVERYTHING run, I can't see the move to ARM to be viable, unless you don't use your PC professionally - or for gaming (but then what would you use your PC for?) @@dayjeremy
A lot of legacy software may not be recompiled for ARM or RiscV for a long time if ever. Having a RISC type microcode is irrelevant when realizing instructions in hardware takes resources and power. Long term we will move away from legacy software but short term software virtualization improvement could help bridge the gap.
Sadly, you can't compare CISC and RISC hardware this way. Intel still has hardware support for 40 year old, mostly unused instructions, and many SIMD instructions, that Apple offloaded to specific accelerator hardware. By design, this architecture can never be as energy efficient as the one instruction per clock cycle AMD based chips, but in my experience, most industrial software made for Windows will never be able to run on any other hardware.@@honkhonk8009
I love how compact your videos are. Other creators would make it a 20 minute video with the same information.
This was the most impressive part of this video for me. I was shocked I didn't have to keep forwarding the video
The reason why I liked the m1 Air was cuz it had crazy battery life and unbelievable heat control without having a fan. I never really cared about the extra performance. Thats also probably what the majority wants. If this chip or the very next generation can nail both of them and give us the m1 experience on windows laptops, It would be a dream come true. I've used a lot of windows laptops and no matter what, I can get it to run hot by just using chrome and some very basic apps. M1 macbooks had none of those and stayed cool.
Exactly this. It's crazy to think that we're basically in 2024 and still nobody has been able to beat (or even match) the M1 Air as the best daily machine for 90% of ordinary users.
Microsoft’s crappy software isn’t helping. My Thinkpad X1 nano runs cool and quiet on Linux, but as soon as I boot up windows the fans spin up and it gets hot.
@@swlak516true, switch to debian on my xps, never gonna go back to windows
it's overkill & overpriced for 90% of ordinary users @@dickersonbuttman69 , also it's vertical integration, whereas other laptops have different companies producing different components both hardware & software for more generally usable compute/performance; it's becoming better because of increasing use of more open source and better interoperability; most CPUs sold today go to datacenters real reason apple's cpu seems like a huge leap is because of intel's getting lazy off their monopoly & stalling advancement for a decade; they arent *that* much better which becomes obvious when you realize how much of a PR lie those unmarked sparse data charts they show during their presentations yall forget that apple pc/laptop hardware was a joke before m1 from a computational standpoint for workflow considering how much they cost, and honestly, once everyone catches up there will less monetary incentive for apple to continue making their own chips, they'll just get some other company to design a custom chip for them which makes more sense from a supply chain point
Arrow Lake with the new 7 or 8 watt tier should deliver that
It is crazy that M2 Air has 22Wh less battery than these device but still either on par or beat them in term of efficiency. Hopefully Qualcomm can save Windows laptops for me at least.
Should have been addressed in the video
He should also address that all laptops compared to the MacBook use performance processors for mobile not Energy efficient. He hasn't shown that an i7 1360p is way more power efficient than the ones he showed on his graph despite that it is also more powerful than a normal m3. Apple still got the power per watts game in their pockets tho.
Apple could pull it off due to that closed software support. To make ARM mainstream, windows would need to make translation engine for their ARM roms and regularly update drivers, software. Or all 3 companies would need to work together.
@@prateekpanwar646Translation layer is there, Windows 11 on ARM is there, Qualcomm seems to be releasing an SoC on par with M2 but that remains to be seen, if they pull it off that would be great since they also have a contract with Microsoft iirc and that would mean first-party driver support. Hopefully this levels the playing field and pushes everybody to really innovate and advance performance per watt like never before.
@@albertxion513 If that's the plan it's good. All I need is games to run current games atleast half as good om ARM as on x86 chips. Then native ARM games would have no problem.
Haven't been here in a couple years. Love the new hairstyle and the greying on the sides. It looks sick! Keep growing the mane my man!
Bro left the compliment out of backhanded-compliment
Nailed it. They’ve finally caught up after lagging since before Tiger Lake even. The AMD part in this comparison was announced 12 mths ago. Apple M3 hasn’t fully delivered on 3nm so we can expect M4 to be a significant improvement. So next year AMD & Apple (& Qualcomm) will definitely continue making progress. Will Intel keep step or forever be a year or more behind?
Apple hasn't fully delivered on 3nm with M3? What crack are you smoking?
@@ArthropodSpidey When you see the efficiency improvements in the next iteration of 3nm coming down the line, ask that question again.😊
Intel just caught up. They should also put the pressure on Windows to optimize the s/w better too. I hope this drives the industry to develop way more efficient chips.
There is no competition for Windows. No incentives slow progress.
AMD released the 7840u in May, they are still lagging behind by 8 months.
Just slap linux on it and ur good to go
Why would they pressure windows that just stupid Mac is gonna be always on top sadly Companies are not good collabing
@@stefantanuwijaya8598 Gaming is still not as good on Linux as it is on windows, at least not option wise.
Really happy to see Intel making things at least near the level of Apple and others. Competition is great and I think this will be good for the linux community too.
You forgot "I use Arch btw"
@@thunderinvader9031 "I use debian btw"
That competition came from Apple tho. Never forget that Intel was complacent for decades and only shifted gears when Apple f*cking destroyed them so badly that intel’s mobile chips were completely worthless for 4 years. Intel doesn’t care about innovation anymore unless it’s to save their asses.
@@thunderinvader9031not every linux user uses arch
Near Apple & others? MTL is a joke. What’s its price?
Congrats on making #30 or something like that on trending. Anything close to the M1 leap is impressive and clearly people have been waiting!
Great video! Wanted to hear thoughts on this asap. You delivered it quickly.
Good job Intel, caught up to the AMD 780M. Even past it in a few cases.
Bodes well for the handheld gaming community. A third VALID competitor to drive the prices down.
@@robotsix6268amd's strix apu will absolutely destroy intel though. Intel has only caught up temporarily.
Nobody will care they can't make driver's
Your statement tells it all. In a few cases! Intel MTL is a joke. AMD provides better performance with Hawk Point at a lower price. Only a fool would buy a MTL laptop.
@@tringuyen7519😂
for us colorblind people in the future can you choose more visually distinct colors for graphs? the yellow and light green look the exact same and it makes the graph unreadable.
Yes please.
The colors and their corresponding cpu are listed in the same order in the graph. Though yes it may be confusing until he puts all the bars in the graph.
Great feedback. What would be a more suitable color?
There are several different kinds of colorblindness, there's only so much you can do with static images to accommodate everyone. Until he chooses to use distinct patterns (stripes/dots) in the bar graphs, you'll have to resort to reading the axis labels.
how did he know 🤨🤨🤨
Nice touch dressing for the laptops' colours 😉 also I love the lid design on the smaller one 😍
Wow Dave you're looking great! Haven't watched any videos in years but glad to see this
Dave, I really appreciate the form of your content delivery. Quick and to the point. We get some numbers and concise thoughts. You always leave us with solid takeaways.
I hope we get some handheld focused APUs from intel as well. I want to see them compete in this space as well at 15w and lower
That's exactly what I thought. All Intel has to do is to keep improving their Arc drivers.
There have been one or two Meteor Lake handhelds spotted out in the wild, with 28W power envelopes, and given the fact that AMD is absolutely awful to work with (at least one very publicly visible instance of them simply not delivering the chips they were supposed to, and at least one more of them straight up not humouring a laptop startup until it had proven its place in the market with three generations of Intel-based systems), I think we'll see a lot more handhelds coming out using Intel chips rather than AMD, as well as a lot more handhelds in general due to the supply and support being less uncertain.
I doubt that's gonna happen. AMD seems to always offer a better deal, just look at all the consoles being AMD since i think PS4. But yes competition is good.
@@kiloneie The consoles are AMD based because AMD is the only one offering an APU that has a high powered GPU and CPU. Back with the PS4 generation Intel only made CPUs with weak iGPUs and Nvidia made GPUs only. AMD was the only one producing both
yep plus the dlss like xess is better than fsr
Couldn't l agree more. Thank you for the review.
Ohh that bass at the intro... 👍🔥
I really hope we get something that's last gen performance, but fanless and genuinely super efficient
What this tells me is that Intel was well and truly behind when the M1 and Ryzen chips started taking off a few years ago. Thus, the reason why it only seems like they “caught up” now was because they had to fundamentally redesign their products. I know you might not be “impressed,” but this is a move that truly keeps Intel-based products viable for the coming years, and hopefully that means they stay in business and keep offering competition to drive costs down.
I remember watching ads on the Asus websits for this prototype back in last summer . Took a while but is finally here
Nicely put. Just caught up.. love your short & precise reviews
Competition is good 🤌🏾 AMD pushing past 8 cores in a monolithic design next year, Intel iGPU and battery life no longer sucks, Apple kinda sorta basically caring a smudge more about games
problem is that it is extremely risky for devs especially smaller decs to optimize for apple, at least in pc gaming
@@Skooz it's not exactly ideal but seeing Lies of P and Resident Evil 8 on Mac is a mild improvement
@@Skooz A dev recently revealed how it costs more to make a mac version than how much they earn from the 0.32% of gamers who use mac.
Meanwhile Amd still gonna milking fanboy with the same chip and gpu because Amd 8000 series will be massive disappointment because it was confirmed to be 7000 series refresh with the same radeon 780m except they added their half backed ai chip. Meanwhile Intel at that time gonna rocking their second tile chip with new cpu arc and battlemage gpu too for 2024.
apple promises to bring gaming every year. And every year feeds fanboys with a d1ck. The real progress was Macbooks with intel CPUs and Nvidia eGPU dock. After dudes decided to put mobile chip in those laptops. I hope noone in apple knows about RISC architecture because there is some more underhood amazing going on
Maybe Apple Silicon coming first in this league made it more impressive. But considering Apple had mobile chips to work with while Intel had to do a significant shift to change, I feel like this release coming so soon is still super impressive. Catching up to M2 is really cool and evens the playing field once again so consumers get more choice. I'm all for it :D
Nahh..intel is a highly specialised chip company while apple is just a ‘designer company’. With its expertise and resources, intel is actually pretty late to their own game.
@@fazril7972 Designing chips takes a while. Let alone architectures. Money only does so much on that front. They placed a bet back in the Crysis days and they lost. Assuming their release is a reaction to Apple's tech, it's pretty quick. And looks to do the job for the most part.
@@jondavid6711 Maybe but considering how misguided their strategy was, it's still a quick turn in their context. Catching up is enough to make machines with their chips relevant again. Everyone wins in that. Unless you just bought an old Intel chip of course. But the same could be said of the last Intel Macs.
Where is this "catching up to M2" you speak of?
@@demistr7435 According to the graphs in this video, performance is similar
Thanks to you, i am hooked on the Dell XPS 17. Loving it! Much better then my Macbook Pro 16 inch (regarding os support and gaming)
Great video 👍 Looking forward to getting a laptop with this Intel CPU fire
Great analysis "they've just caught up". took the words right out of my mouth. I also wondered how they've been doing this for so long just to get smoked by apple's first generation chip. Even though apple has been making great processors for their mobile products, its still extremely impressive with what they were able to do with the M series chips.
Complacency and then being stuck on old process nodes - during the time AMD were just absolutely awful (pre Ryzen) Intel just completely stagnated since they had literally zero competition. Then when Ryzen came around and shook things up, Intel really struggled to get off of 14nm and 10nm. During all this Apple and other Arm chips were/are developing like absolute crazy from the whole smartphone craze
@@robinrai4973That's a concise analysis! 💯 Hoping Intel under Pat G. regains its edge! 🤞
You are right, I'm in school for accounting right now so I'm taking a couple marketing classes and they preach that competition creates great businesses and expose bad ones. I'm not saying Intel is bad but competition forces businesses to step up or lay down. I love it. @@robinrai4973
A couple of reasons, 1) Intel has a lot of technical debt supporting legacy x86 architecture going back to the original 8086 processor-- a clean sheet design will be faster and more efficient. 2) the lithography of Apple and AMD processors results in smaller transistors, less area and less energy. Remember, Intel 4 was originally called a 7 nanometer node. Look at chips manufactured on TSMC's 7nm node for an apples to apples comparison. IMO the only thing wrong with Meteor Lake is the lithography. Intel knows they are behind in the fabs and that's why they are aggressively targeting 5 nodes in 4 years. My personal opinion is that if Meteor Lake was manufactured on TSMC's 3nm node, it would blow everything else out of the water. That is to say, I think they have the best design, they just need the lithography to catch up.
because APPLE switched to ARM... how come APPLE is still nowhere close to computational power of a top end AMD ryzen Radeon build?
That is quite impressive, especially thermals: if you can maintain stable performance on such a high level with this wattage and those temperatures, that means you can easily squeeze a bit more performance from those chips within the same chassis, because they could handle extra heat generated by chips when they are cranked up by few Watts. Will this be necessary for regular ol'Joe? I doubt it. But performance freaks and editors could potentially gain a bit more from those. I'm still on a market for laptop with Ryzen, but it's good to see competition catching up.
Looking forward to what the future brings with these power efficient chips
yo Dave seems you didn't mention it, but how does it perform when unplugged/internal power? cause that's one of the main advantages for macs, although this is an os thing already but just wanna find out if the chip helps.
To me it pretty much is a Ryzen 7040 series alternative. Couple that with Intel's generally good stock on shelves and not having to spend the extra cash for the dGPU (which for some reason most Ryzen 7040 seems to be on), it's a solid offering. Although, it really is meh, not much of an upgrade at all, but a necessary one. It really is strange it took Apple, then Ryzen for Intel to realize battery life is important on LAPTOPS.
You’re a fool to buy Intel MTL laptop. AMD’s Strix Point Halo comes out summer 2024 with 12 cores, 50 TOPs NPU, & 40 CU RDNA4.
I agree, get whatever is cheaper, Meteor Lake or Phoenix/Hawk Point. Both are FINALLY in a good state and competitive.
Also good job for Amd to milking fanboy with the same chip and gpu because Amd 8000 series will be massive disappointment because it was confirmed to be 7000 series refresh with the same radeon 780m except they added their half backed ai chip. Meanwhile Intel at that time gonna rocking their second tile chip with new cpu arc and battlemage gpu too for 2024.
@@tringuyen7519 I don't disagree but the general public don't pay attention to leaks and rumours. Also historically, AMD's laptop stock historically hasn't been the best, BUT that could change.
@@runninginthe90s75 Ryzen 8040* series. They will have their higher spec 8050* series with Zen 5 (new CPU) and Navi 3.5 (a GPU upgrade to say the least). When will it come out? I don't know, maybe after Q1 2024. Obviously, we will all have to wait
So happy you reviewed this Asus Thin and Light, I was wondering if it was viable... need to upgrade my wife's laptop eventually and she doesn't have the same power user needs that I do. But she is used to at least enterprise mobile workstation performance. This is way lighter than the Dells she uses, but will allow her to use all the features she is accustomed to.
I love the battery life comparison!
dude no way you have long hair now?! It's been a while since iv seen your videos. greatvid
Looking forwards to getting a Meteor Lake laptop for Christmas. Intel did a great job creating a laptop that is great overall.
Good work Dave
I wish these reviewers would do more than benchmarks which don’t mean anything to consumers. Test the laptop and show us 15 chrome tabs and all Office apps open and then open 2 other random apps and toggle between them quicker - or something, something anything that compares to average consumer use.
Great to The video showing the improvements that Intel made, but it would been nice to see the comparison to the latest Apple M3 devices....
I understand only comparing to M2 because that’s what’s available in the MacBook Air. But, given how thick those “thin and light” windows laptops are, it’d be more fair to compare it to the base mode M3 MacBook Pro
Dave desperately wants to show that intel laptops are better than Apple silicon
@@hyposlasherwell i mean apple macs aren’t bad but intel can do a ton of things it cant
@@Roarchopso make the comparison against Apple’s latest chip and let us be the judge. M2 is almost a year old at this point and M3 is out
Some people prefer to have ports. Its very nice that ASUS keeps an USB-A and full size HDMI port on laptops, so you don't have to live the dongle life. Also, you need to compare according to price also. Macbook pro's are 2x or 3x the price of these laptops.
Price is a consideration too. Zenbook 14 is the around the $1000 model and thus comparable to a MB Air. The M3 MBP 14 starts at $1600 and that's the 8GB RAM model, the one that chugs under load. As lovely and quiet as the MBP is it's set at a price that leaves it more comparable to high end gaming laptops than small office/work/content consumption machines.
I thought you will talk about snapdragons arm chips for computers
The increased iGPU performance is nice. A lot of more premium OEM chassis use Intel instead of AMD, so you can kinda sorta game well and get 780M-level performance on something dinky like a Thinkpad X1 Nano (assuming that Lenovo still commits to that design)
Just a pitty that only their high power H variants have the arc graphics... i would have wished to get the arc graphics on the U chips for ultrabooks, but they have a different iGpu just called "Intel Graphics".. feels a bit like being fooled well maybe some manufactures decide to put in the H chip in ultrabooks and just let it run on low wattage I want a thin convertible ultrabook that can run games well, i guess the AMD 7040 U Chips are the way to go in that department as soon as they find their way into them. Can't wait for Zen 5 with efficiency cores on AMD processors tho... might be better to wait for that alltogether
Really miss your budget laptop videos, Dave. Looking forward to a back to school video - especially in the $500-$800 range for students
I literally have been struggling with this recently. My current laptop (hp spectre 15 x360) which i got in 2020 is decently powerful and comparable to a macbook pro in terms of performance but the battery life has been so bad. The equivalent spec of mac lasts about 8 hours but mine barely cracks 3hrs nowadays. ive been browsing around for a something with better battery life with similar performance but it appears that product doesnt exist on the windows side of things. Hopefully this new chip changes things and we get some actual macbook competitors. If not i might have to join the darkside cus i tired of being worried about battery life EVERY DAY
I joined the dark side 2 years ago, with an old intel mac. It’s not an M1, but let me tell you, the software experience is something else. I was a firm windows user for the longest time, and hated apple. Then I caved and am about to upgrade to the M3 series. It’s all about personal preference, but you might want to take a look at Mac, because the windows side of things is still not looking great.
It's not just the CPU that's the problem, it's Windows with its updates as well. Find a script to strip down Windows to a healthy minimum, or try out Linux, if your job allows for it.
@@xyrendor I joined the dark side with an M1 Pro as well. I don't much care for Mac OS, but that battery life is actually life changing - not a big change, but it's been a bit more than just a better laptop. It rewired my brain and I'm constantly forgetting that other things need charged because I only need to charge it like once a week. I still use Windows on my desktop, hell I'd even take Linux over Mac, but I don't see myself going back on laptop any time soon.
I'm curious, why are you away from a wall socket for so long in a work day? Obviously there's plenty of jobs that aren't office based, but if I'm working on a laptop I'm probably sitting somewhere there's power.
@@hokayson6518 I'm often not near a building at all most of the day. But my work laptop is a Dell so that's kind of besides the point. It's not that you're using your laptop where you can't charge, it's that you don't have to. I can use it for a couple hours, leave it on the couch, then use it for another couple hours a few days later. Maybe watch something while cooking. Carry to the table for something that requires more focus. All the while, never having to carry it to the office where the charger is. There are certainly outlets near all of those places, but I don't want to clutter them with wires and I don't want to have to clean up when I'm done. If I leave my work laptop with an 80% charge on Friday, by Monday it will be down to 30%; a Mac would still be at 75%. This all sounds very petty, and I suppose maybe it is, but just not having to worry about it is a lot nicer that it sounds at first. Also, the fact that even on the Pro, the fans never have to run if you're just doing mundane web and office stuff is nice. I can set it on the mattress and watch a movie as I fall asleep and not have to worry about it overheating or the fans getting loud.
I tend to recommend computers based on the person's needs and what they are already familiar with. From experience that's what people are usually seeking and not so much related to power consumption or processing power. Unless you are into gaming or video production. In my time in the industry I also noticed the majority of people use their laptops plugged in. Don't feel discouraged to purchasing an older model cpu especially if you have a tight budget and what you will be using the computer for is just browsing the web, emails etc.
I disagree. My fiance had windows laptops her entire life and she finally picked up a M2 MacBook air a month ago and is extremely happy with it because of the battery life. Aside from techy people, 90% of the general population would be extremely happy with an M series apple laptop instead of a windows one.
Unless that laptop never leaves the desk (which why would you even get a laptop in the first place), then it’s still better to have an all arounder laptop with greater battery life. The more efficient the better
I was so close to opening up my brand new Surface Pro 9 but I hesitated and kept looking at reviews for laptops. This will be slightly cheaper than a Surface Pro 9 here in Canada. Insane. I'm returning my Surface tomorrow. The Zenbook actually has ports. Also it looks like the only model you can get on the Canadian site right now is the Ultra 5 processor which is strange.
Omg i havent watched ur vids in yrs the glowup is insane😊
Dave's drip and hairstyle is on point
his hair is a mess
HeisenbergFam Do you work at KZhead? I see you everyday haha
having the same battery life and kinda the same performance with a battery that is 20% bigger i wouldn't say they have caught up.... but it is a beginning, this is pretty much a "first gen" kind of product so it's far from perfect, at best it gives a bit of hopes for the future in x86 land while we wait for real world tests of qualcomm
I wonder why he thinks the battery life is the same? I have seen that none of these "sponsored" reviews has any battery life details.
I'd love to see what kind of battery life these Core Ultra chips get when using slimmed down versions of Windows such as Tiny11
loving the hair. the grey makes me realize how long ive been watching you.
IDK about laptops, but the biggest moment for youtube tech is Dave's new hairstyle! You're killing it
It's worth noting that since Ryzen 4000/5000 and Tiger Lake we really didn't had proper cheap iGPU laptops. AMD 6000 got way more expensive and Intel 12/13th low tier SKUs were still the same iGPU and not really better (U) overall. Right now we have old-gen laptops then entry level modern gaming laptops with like RTX 4050/60 and then thin and ultraportable iGPU only, often at prices equal or exceeding dGPU semi-ultraportables. You can get HP premium iGPU laptop in the same price range as Gigabyte Aero with RTX 4070 and more, or opt for LG Gram / Acer Swift Edge that are somewhat expensive but cheaper than the "premium" range while being imbalanced products (the "thinest" or "lightest" at the expense of flex, thermals and performance).
Now that AMD changed its naming system, the cheap AMD laptop option remains stuck on Zen 2 (Ryzen 7020 series) -- and it is still above 400 dollars in price, while at the same time you can buy a slightly older Ryzen 5 5600U laptop (with newer Zen 3) for the same or even less price
Ryzen 6000 series added USB4 support, and also moved away from a GCN to an RDNA GPU. USB4 is significant because it's compatible with thunderbolt.
@@Knowbody42 6800U it's a big improvement but still not every device has USB4 - like Acer Swift Edge got it only with the refresh an with the 7840U. Either way, that's not a ~700 EUR laptop but a 1600+ EUR one :) If Intel puts their new iGPU at the 700-800EUR range then it will be a massive win for them. Especially when Intel can provide volume vs AMD mobile chips being very very rare.
Thank god for this, ima need to get a laptop for college and I’m glad there’s now ones with good battery life
man I wish they'd update the surface pro line with an oled option, idc about battery mine is plugged in all the time; I just like how it stays cool, the bottom never gets hot. I've never had a laptop that I can use on my lap and not get burned.
"They just caught up" I'd say being comparable to the M2 and also beating their direct competitor in gaming performance on their first outing is pretty impressive. When things are already this good, it definitely is hard to be impressed by the minor improvements. the only way they'd see massive improvements is if they abandoned x86 entirely.
I disagree with the "beating" their direct competitor, these notebooks are using 7500 MT memory to just 3/5% in some games when the 7840 is using 5600 MT on notebooks, just compare the 5600 MT vs the 6400MT on NUCS to see the increasing in performance.
@@mawkzin Legion GO has 7500MT memory and it runs slower than the ROG Ally with 6500MT ram in many games. So there's already no consistency even among similar chipsets. You're also comparing apples to oranges. Nucs, Laptops, Handhelds all have different power limits. If they are running at the same TDP with different ram speeds then you can have a proper comparison, but you're just comparing ram speed with no other comparisons. I'm still impressed with intels outing because they were already better with quicksync for video encoding, and now they have a decent igpu for gaming too. All they need now is to get decent battery life. I like the competing intel, because it forces AMD to get better or cheaper. AMD isn't making an 880m for 2024 (at least not yet) so good or bad it's a W for intel if they are matching/beating the 780m performance.
I'm really looking forward to get a 13-14" 1080p APU-powered laptop that is good enough to game at medium settings. Steam Deck proves that this is possible!
There are already many options for that out there such as mid-range AMD laptops. The Steam Deck is just those in a smaller chassis. The biggest problem for both of these devices is the battery--moreso on laptops. It's just enough for gaming, but not enough for a full day's workload. The Windows operating system is also making it harder for Intel and AMD laptops to conserve battery life. Some people value the extended battery life of 2 weeks without charging like the Macbooks because the vast majority of people use laptops for daily web browsing. Despite most AMD laptops running Windows, AMD chips are good at balancing power and battery.
they arent gonna release a such general consumer laptop so kids like you can trick your parents into buying it so you can game
Yep, "caught up" makes sense.
How do these compete with the m3 pro and m3 max chips? Or are they only competing with the older gen base model m2 chips?
For the battery benchmarks, it was written, yes, but could have talked more about the M2 Air having a 25% smaller battery while having the same battery life. And what including M3 instead of M2 ? Great video nontheless
What does it really matter when you have the same battery in the end of the day?
It's still a fair assessment despite the smaller battery because ARM is far more efficient than x86
@@Randomness662 that's an achievement for the architecture alright but what benefit does the consumer have if the battery life's the same
@@nexuhs. Charges faster
@@nexuhs. None lol. I was just addressing the architecture difference because op was stroking Apple's cock like they did something magical
As someone who was about to buy a MacBook, these updates may yet keep me on windows! IMO it was easier for the M1 to do what it did then because a lot of the ecosystem is in house compared to windows laptops. Regardless, this is a big step for windows users!
I think it's also to do with the fact that: 1. They came from mobile which is already optimised for efficiency, they 'just' had to scale it up. they other way around requires a complete change in architecture 2. They are using ARM, don't know how much this actually helps, but from an outside perspective it seems that this alone makes a big difference 3. They could let it sit in the oven until they felt ready. Intel is playing catch up and doesn't have that luxury edit: - The jump form 14nm to 5nm also helped a lot! - Intel dragging their feet for a decade obviously also helped a lot
@@Mister0Eel Apple has 3 trillion dollars to spend and has all the engineers from intel/amd/nvidia etc.
@@Mister0Eel Jump from 14nm++++++++++++++++++++++ to TSMC 5nm was gigantic, which is probably most of the reason why Apple Silicon was so revolutionary in the first place and why the jump to 3nm with the M2 wasn't as great.
i wanted to buy an m2 macbook, but then i looked around and decided on a lenovo. 8/256, soldered ssd is just too unreasonable in 2023.
@@Mister0Eel It is more to do with Apple realising that Intel sucked and was destroying the PC industry with slow and iterative updates and taking a massive gamble to ditch Intel and move lock, stock and barrel to Apple Silicon. That was great foresight, which Intel didn't have, and it made Intel reactionary and Apple revolutionary. No praise for Intel, they are chasing Apple's shadow and they deserve no praise, just an answer from their team as to why they were so bad and didn't see what Apple saw? Copycats now to try and save as much of their business as they can.
Hey Dave, I love your video’s. Thank you for your time making this one. This time though, I would have thought you put a question mark in the title of the video. Your comparison on battery life proves that the previous generation of Apple’s processors is almost double as efficient. Please, anyone, correct me if I’m wrong: The MacBook Air with M2 (previous generation) and a LCD screen, plays Netflix for the same duration as the Zenbook 14 with the new gen Intel cpu, an OLED screen and a battery that’s almost 50%(!) bigger. Maybe shortsighted people will call me an Apple fan boy, but look at the numbers.. If Intel and AMD keep going like this, Apple can chill and release a MacBook Air SE in 2026 with an OLED screen, M5 processor and 16gb of RAM and still have no competition on having an efficient processor. On another note: Can someone point me in the right direction for a windows laptop that has the same standby time as a recent MacBook? The windows laptops that I owned and currently own always lose their charge when not in use. I already disabled everything that can sip energy from the battery when the device is off or in standby but nothing comes close to the standby time that I had on a M1 MacBook Air I had to sell. Thanks in advance, and have a great one!
So what speed RAM did they give you in the review unit laptops? And is it the same speed as what the consumer would get if they were buying the same laptop? Seems like it would be an easy way to boost iGPU performance in reviews.
At the time it was really stupendous how Apple made the M1 chips with its groundbreaking leap of battery efficiency meanwhile intel just keeps rebranding there CPUs and actually making them more power hungry(less efficient). I'm curious what AMD's take on this as they've been already working on efficiency while going toe to toe in performance with intel.
It was really groundbreaking how made an ARM cortex be able to run a 64 bit OS.
AMD's Zen is really well balanced to scale up or down for low power or high performance. Intel's doesn't scale down very well, and Apple's doesn't scale up as well.
This comment makes zero sense. Did you even watch the video?
@@InnocentiusLacrimosa he clearly didnt watch it, just like most of these idiots making dumb comments like him
Intel Ultra™ Power Consumption.
Was really hoping to see a Zenbook 14X with an amd 7840U next year, but the new Intel seems like it will do the job 👍
It's phenomenal
I just ordered the Intel 13th gen cpu one because the black Friday sales were really good. Sort of regretting it now.
@@yawarlol if you got something good, you got something good; there will always be better stuff coming out in the near future. Only way to avoid this is if you always want the best tech then you'll always have to buy what's the new best thing when it comes out which generally isn't economical for most people.
@@thatblackguyfromnedsdeclas3063 well said. I hear you. I guess I'm just feeling the pain akin to getting an Intel MacBook a month before the m1 MacBook comes out haha.
it's glad to see the plan that catch up TSMC is on schedule.
If this is good, I am excited about Lunar Lake/Arrow Lake/Zen 5/Snapdragon X Elite. Customers wont be bereft of choice late 2024/Early 2025 time frame. AMD's issue is availability. I still dont see phoenix laptops in store in US. Hope it gets better next year. I hope Qualcomm does not go over board charging for their chips.
TL;DW "They've just caught up." -D2D
Competitions always good.
Competition is always good. It forces companies like Intel to innovate and not rest on their laurels; as they had done so in the recent past. Good video mate!
I currently own a Surface Laptop 4 and I was closing in on buying the Zenbook S13 OLED (2023) because I'm searching for a more future proof device with a good battery life, but after this I feel like I'm gonna wait a bit more before switching.
To be honest. Apple's M1 was really a big moment in the Laptop industry .
Yeah no shit why are you acting like that’s a hot take
No it wasn’t. Pc users didn’t care only iPhone users did 🤣
@@SouthBayLA1310 You do understand that the market share of Macs went from like 20% to 35% globally? People did notice. Unless you are an engineer or gamer, MacBooks are a pretty obvious choice.
@@SouthBayLA1310you 3:41 corny, this chip is heavily inspired on m chips. Any breakthrough is good for everyone
Yep. Instantly turned me from an apple denouncer to "well, actually, that's a pretty good option"
YES!! I’m so happy to see Intel’s integrated graphics catching up with AMD’s-let alone all the other areas. I hope the two really start to compete in the mobile space to consumers’ benefit.
Not catching up. Beating AMD now.
@@TalonsTech I mean it looked an awful lot like they were trading blows but 🤷♂️
@@TalonsTechAMD is yet to release next gen. It it will take its seat back hopefully
@@TalonsTech They only beat AMD if they use significantly faster RAM. Memory bandwidth is always going to heavily influence the performance of integrated graphics. And Intel weren't using an apples to apples comparison. The laptops you'll actually be able to buy will have the same RAM speed you'll also see in AMD laptops (LPDDR5-6400)
Benchmarks mean nothing. Intel still has terrible driver support and bugs compared to AMD. It's progressing fast but surely not "on par".
Dave, I've been thinking of getting an M3 MacBook pro, as nothing has really even been close so far. Now with these new Intel chips, I'm wondering, should I wait and get and see what the future holds, or do you not see it comparing with the M3 chips? (Noticed in your vid you compared the new Intel chips to the M2)
macbook is better if you don't need windows
Great seeing Intel catching up and even outperforming in certain metrics. 👏
Apple M1’s efficiency and performance blew everyone away. This is just Intel finally catching up. Title does not compute.
Except on battery life, the M1, 2 and 3 have been caught up by both Intel 13th gen and AMD 7040U.
Intel is caching up only to amd, m3 is a lot better than both that's why it's not in this video
@@greecemobile7610😂😂😂😂😂
@@greecemobile7610 M3 is about equivalent to M2, you can see that in all the reviews. Also it's not comparable in price.
@@Anankin12 if you mean the base version with 8gb ram then yes, with 16gb ram is day and night
Dave, you went really easy on Intel here :) as others have rightfully pointed out, comparing it to M2 instead of M3 feels like a cop out.
M3 ain't on the Mac Air yet and comparing a 1000 bucks integrated graphics 14" Zenbook with a Mac Pro doesn't really make sense. The M3 was a marginal improvement over its predecessor especially when it came to compute and strictly CPU workloads anyways
@@ekifishould have addressed that he was using the base m2 chip as well while comparing to the latest top of the line powerful intel ones. Kinda baffling to be honest. Not to mention, the battery size of those laptops was 50% larger than the one for the m2. Meaning the m2 base chip was twice as efficient and equally as powerful. So…. I guess long way to go for intel compared to what is implied in this video. After all, this is a video talking about the chips. So the way the video convinces 98%+ of the viewers that intel has really caught up to the m2 line is quite aaa. I’ll leave it there.
@@ekifi There are indeed many angles to this - nevertheless, my impression was that this isn't about the price of these machines, just the overall performance numbers -> Intel are touting this as the biggest leap for them in years, Dave in the title reinforces this statement, but then compares it to M2, which came out last year and has been superseded by M3. But OK, even if we stick to the M2 and disregard the existence of the M3, the numbers presented here are nothing to write home about. Just my 2 cents - I won't be buying anything anyways as I am happy with my 14" Lenovo IdeaPad 5 Pro purchased last year, that is running an AMD Ryzen 7 5800U (8c/16t), with 16 GB of RAM, and a 90Hz 2880x1800 IPS screen ... all of this for 800 USD. I will admit that it does not last 10+ hours as the MacBooks, but it also didn't break the bank, and the performance it offers is more than plenty for me. For the record, Dave also had the MSI Prestige with the new intel CPU, but the only comparison he drew was that of thermals and performance between the Asus and the MSI. Mind you, the Asus also costs 1300 USD (just clicked the link in the description).
Its not the top of the line intel chip, its the core 7 not the core 9 and with the new naming convention we don't even know if he was benchmarking the top of the line core 7 there are multiple performance ranges inside the name core 7 because intel can't name things clearly especially when it comes to mobile processers. @@ZeerakImran
@@rosemariecompton that's true. Thanks for pointing that out. Nevertheless, the base m3/m2/m1 chip isn't even a pro chip. Its like an intel i3 and is used in the ipad and devices meant for office work (imac 24inch m1..). The pro chip is like the i5. Max and ultra are i7 and i9. Since this review seems so incredibly biased (and definitely deceptive), I have little reason to believe the intel chip was a low performance one chosen for comparison. If it was, I'm sure Dave would be over the moon to show that it was as well just to benefit the intel side. I like Dave a lot but mannnn. I just can't see how he uploaded this. Recorded it is fine. Uploading is a step too far. Not taking it down once the excitement wore off is aaahhh. I still like Dave but a huge red flag has just been raised for me and I have kind of lost interest for this channel. This actually really ruined it for me.
Hey Dave. Awesome video as always. Just wanted to suggest something regarding color coded charts. Can they have some kind of markers so that it’s easy for a colorblind person like me to understand. Sometime it becomes a tad bit difficult. Thank you.
Intel just catches up, which is not good enough. Need to be 2x better. :shrug:
So,Intel caught up to AMD?
No, in some ways they actually regressed. The other issue is that this is launching way later then it was supposed to. With AMDs new laptop APUs right around the corner. They also added way faster RAM in the review units then you actually get with the laptop when you buy it. And iGPU performance is very dependent on fast RAM. So they are basically artificially boosting the iGPU performance.
pretty impressive. does this mean the laptop doesn't get increased performance when plugged in, like the apple m series? because i hate the idea of having to plug in a laptop in order to get full usage.
Hey Dave, can you also review the OMEN laptops as well... cuz I really wanna buy a new gaming laptop for 3d designing but I have a rather tight budget
I can't wait to see qualcomm's Oryon chip in laptops I hope windows for arm would be well optimized and ready by then 👀 Because i have a feeling that chip could have a higher impact (since it's an arm architecture) so power efficiency would be even better
Great video, just an advice for the colors in the battery performance section(and in general), colorblind people have really hard time differentiating between some colors, the green colors look exactly the same for me for example, I'd recommend to use more contrasting colors
Can you get a review out for Asus ROG Flow 13 or HP Omen 14 2024, really looking forward to the compact performance kings this year and would be great to get a review from you.
This is gonna be amazing for the portable handheld space!
So, how will Snapdragon Elite X fair against these?
Well, that's an arm chip. And while yes, you can argue that M series chips by Apple are arm as well, MacOS has clearly had a way better and easier transition to arm than... well whatever the mess of Windows on arm is. In an ideal world where Windows and all Windows applications had seamless translation to arm instructions, arm should be far more efficient.
@@Randomness662that right there is the blessing/curse of Windows on Intel. Loads of stuff just runs on that combo. Now the trick is to have a good enough translation app for these programs to run well on ARM. That's where Windows fails each and every time. It wasn't like this 20 years ago. Then you had multiple CPU architectures (SPARC being just one of them) that ran windows just fine. It's when Intel took over that Windows got lazy and bloated. So I hope all the Chip makers and Microsoft get their collective arse together and make a better product.
That launches mid-late 2024, it will be against Intels 15th gen Arrow lake mobile not Meteor Lake.
@@__aceofspades I'm not fluent in types of CPUs, but in which category is this Ultra chip (arrow lake mobile or Meteor (which, I presume is for higher performance))? Because, The snapdragon elite X compared itself against M2 Ultra, Intel H series, Ryzen 9 HS, so... This seem to give a run to chips that are not "mobile".
@@Randomness662 I believe that Windows didn't really have a good incentive to invest in arm apps, but this could change.
I was also really hoping that this was going to be a stratospheric jump. They had been hyping it up, they've changed the branding, they've been working on this for a long time, and yet all it does is finally make them equally competitive again. Like... congrats on doing the bare minimum I guess?
I think Apple were so far ahead and they've only really caught up... It's not the bare minimum, its the necessary minimum to now compete in the years to come. Makes you realise how efficient Apple's silicone is... But tbf, they do have complete control over their ecosystem, so I get that!
@@nicbaker1401yeah but AMD had already caught up to Apple. Lots of marketing to just be normal
I think the only way they'll provide impressive performance and efficiency is when they release mainstream Arm chips. The reason why AMD, Intel, Nvidia and Mediatek cannot release Windows Laptops with arm SoCs is because Qualcomm has had an exclusive Contract with Microsoft. Its expiring in Q4 2024 and its already reported that the companies above are already working on their arm chips for Windows laptops. They'll release in 2025
Destroying competition is not the only thing that counts as "stratospheric jump". Going from getting destroyed in pretty much every way to being competitive is a stratospheric jump. I mean even 10000x jumps would not count as "stratospheric" if "stratospheric jump" necessarily meant destroying competition as what exactly means "destroying competition" is arbitrary.
damn dude I think this is my first time seeing one of your vids this year and I LOVE THE HAIR LETS GOOOOOO
Thanks Dave for this review. Is it possible to compare Intel and Apple chips in terms of performance specifically Office applications (excel huge files) in Intel and M chips
I am so happy Dave got Intel's money. Really waited for this moment.
For those of us with no interest in the Apple software ecosphere it seems like a good option. 🤷♂
It took Intel getting beat up by the competition to wake up...AGAIN, but it is nice to see Arc being implemented on an APU and achieving great results comparable to AMD's best APU. I am very impressed with the gaming performance and battery life. Intel has never been competitive on the GPU side, and now they are. As you said, I wish AMD APU's would be put into these smaller form factors.
which M2 chip are you testing these against? pro? max? ultra?
woah I haven't watched your videos for a couple years now and I haven't seen your new hair. I love the new look
Honestly, having a chip to run neural networks makes me excited for the concept of better NPCs
Intel has NOT caught up yet! They’ve only caught up to Apple’s *previous-gen* BASE model chip (slowest, regular M2). But it’s still a huge jump for them, so you love to see it.
The M3 is in many ways worse than the M2, though.
@nicolaim4275 how so?
@@nvincenthless memory bandwidth, even higher price and the perf is under expectation.. and they still sandbagging with low memory configurations meanwhile one can find 64gb of memory for 150€ for pc-s
@@nvincenth Primarily because of memory bandwith. They decreased the rate of datatransfer between the processor and ram, resulting in worse performance for most of the M3 models available.
@Dave2D does the 780M perform the same across all AMD chips.... even more powerful ones ?
can you compare the m2 with the intel chips power efficiecy and battery life while running on linux ? i think that would be more fair for a pur hardware comparaison. althought what you did hear is the real user experience.
I was also hoping that theyd be better with the way Intel was hyping Meteor Lake up. I'm happy that they caught up to the competition finally but I'm disappointed that they just caught up and didn't really exceed anywhere. They leveled the playing field but they didn't elevate it like M1 did when it first came out.