Ram Air IV GTO vs Chevelle SS 454 LS6 - 1/4 mile Drag Race Video and Massive Burnout - Road Test®
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www.RoadTestTV.com 1/4 mile drag race between a very rare 1969 Ram Air IV GTO and a rare 1970 LS6 SS454 Chevelle. The GTO is 1 of 759 built in 1969, and the LS6 Chevelle is 1 of 4475. The Chevelle SS has a 450 HP solid lifter 454. The GTO has a 370 HP Ram Air IV 400 cubic inch.
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Those cars were everyday drivers when I was a kid. I love seeing people run them the way they were built to be run... That was the beauty of the muscle car era. Race em on Sunday and drive em to work on Monday...👍
Amen to that, I wish I was born in the 60-70 Era when muscle cars were nothing but beasts with raw power. That Chevelle would've only been 5k back then now they easily go for $130-150k. My ultimate dream car in a 454 LS6😎
No boost, no bottle, just my foot on the throttle.
Boost gets her loose!
At the track it’s called “ all throttle, no bottle.
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
And that would be the reason you would never come out of the 12s in the 1/4...
No replacement for displacement
The GTO gave away 54 cubic inches and 80 horsepower and still showed it could hang with the Chevy. Mid 12 second times were very close and the GTO's trap speed hints he was chasing him down at the end.
The chevy had a solid lift cam also.
@Joe Freeman I get a feeling that there was something going on there , not all is as it appears to be ., Unless he let it be that close on purpose.
@Joe Freeman Agreed , gear ratio is probably the factor , had a case of momentary brain fade . Lyme cfs will do that to you , been concentrating on gardening , woodgas , solar panels etc lately .
@Joe Freeman You are correct , a friend of mine had a Pontiac 421ci or 428 ci car many yrs ago and it ran very well for the size car it was in .
Yeah, the Pontiac performance engines were grossly underrated; he was hauling at the end!
NO MATTER HOW YOU SLICE..... IT WAS A DAMN GOOD RACE.... YOU KNOW THAT IF YOU WERE IN THE DRIVERS SEAT OF EITHER CAR....IT DONT GET ANY BETTER THAN THAT!!! PURE CLEAN FUN...
Yeah. That was a mighty tight race.
I was one of the people that bought a new LS6. 2/70. It was more than fast. The problem was getting traction no matter what tires I used.
Thank you. That's the reason so many high performance cars in the day could "almost" even stay close. That LS6 was a HP BEAST!
@@steveminer8341 Back when it was new and stock (plus a couple of minor mods allowed by the rule book): www.chevelle454ls6.com/1970_chevelle_454_ls6.htm
and burning out with street tires like he did only makes it worse.
Lucky beyond words. I hope you didnt wreck her....!
@The Bushwacker so did you beat a 1967 firebird 400 ram air V
Great race. That ram air IV is a highly underrated engine and gave that Chevelle all it could handle even a higher trap speed...
These engines have been heavily modified. Back in the day, magazines struggled to get RA IV GTOs into the 13s, even with the help of 8" wide Casler drag slicks and positraction.
@@peteshea8010 I would guess is more about blueprinted engines and better tires.
@@theenhancer Then you'd be guessing wrong. The old engines simply didn't make enough power in stock from for these cars to run as shown in the video. The engines featured in video have undoubtedly been modified well beyond any reasonable definition of "blueprinted." www.superchevy.com/how-to/additional-tech/sucp-1102-chevrolet-muscle-car-dyno-wars/.
LOL...Heavily modified. You have no idea what your talking about buddy. And you have absolutely no idea what Pontiac engines are capable of.
@@ghm389 these cars would run 12"s all day long with nothing more than tires...you are right..
Dang, I though that burnout was gonna have a "to be continued" or a part 2 coming soon.😄👍
man i was born in the wrong era. cars and music were the best in the 60s and 70s
dltafrc17 Exactly...
+dltafrc17 me 3
+dltafrc17 I have some of the cars but none of the chicks lol
***** yea some 80s is good
+dltafrc17 Born in 1952 here so I was in high school in the late '60's and these beauties could be purchased brand new off the show room floor that would turn out this kind of performance, no problem. They were EVERYWHERE! I had a '66 GTO that I bought in around '72 for a song that had 389cid/330 hp with an automatic. It was gold on gold and soooo friggin' gorgeous. Stunning in fact. Got so many compliments on it, even from girls(who usually don't really dig cars). Drove it 'til it had 117k on the clock and sold it due to the oil crunch of the early '70's. Fully optioned and a great, beautiful ride.
Wow for the Chevelle having 80 horses more and a larger block... I am impressed with the GTO!
The RA IV was way underrated.
It's just a car! Hats off to these folks for risking these rare cars. Can't park it forever. These cars want to play! Cool channel and straight to the point videos! I like.
No trailer queens here! No replacement for displacement. But really do you think these are pure stock. No points, No smog pump, No factory exhaust manifolds. Is that stock. You make the call. But MAN what a burn out. We called it peeling out. Even on a bicycle with a cheater slick. How cool was that! SHAWN
No stock manifolds??
My brother used to buy Pontiac 421 blocks and them put together by his mechanic using Ram Air Fours. His 1967 GOAT turned the quarter in the mid 11 second. His fastest car was a 1965 Tempest body that used to be a strip car, it was also a 421 bore out to a 434, with a bottle in his trunk. Its best time was in the low 10 seconds. The best part of it for me is, he would let me take his car out and I would have the pleasure to race for money.
Thanks for sharing ... great muscle car memories !!!
I had a pure stock Ram Air IV in '69. It ran 13.9 out of the show room. Skinny little bias ply tires. Great car... Easily got it down in the high 12's.
Me too. Same model as the one shown here. Vedoro Green, white seats,black carpet and dash. Amazing hp and top end too. Bought it in 76 ,it was a one owner (female) out of Atlanta. Low mileage but it needed a timing chain/gear (those were problematic in those days) Ran in the low -mid 13's.
What never gets mentioned is Pontiac did it with all iron small blocks! Meanwhile, Chevy and Ford(most likely controlling and manipulating the industry) were stuffing all aluminum big blocks into Camaros and Mustangs....and Pontiac still competed and even won in many cases! Most folks never even heard of the Ram Air 2....incredibly underrated maybe most underrated motor of all time. And of course the insane Ram Air 5 that scared the shit out of the industry so much to of course it was banned. Pontiac was and always will be King .
@@slimvickins5059 The reason it never gets mentioned that Pontiac did it with an all iron small block is because there is no such thing as a Pontiac small block or big block - it's just a Pontiac engine. All of their V8s used the same block. Furthermore, there was only one Chevy that ever came with an all aluminum big block and that was the ZL1 Camaro. There were only 69 ever produced and it was a COPO specific to one dealership. These were not mass produced or even available outside of this dealership. The LS6 featured in this video is an all iron big block with the exception of an aluminum intake manifold.
As stock as a Ram Air IV can be, anyway
@@randymarsh9647do you think you could 55 cubic inches more out of Pontiac 400? If you do you never took one apart. first the valves in the heads not only overlapped, but the cylinders had a chamfer on the one side for valve clearance. The 455 was a totally different block and heads they didn't inter-change. also I don't think anything from a 326 will fit a 400. didn't that LS6 also have big block aluminum heads
Those A bodied GM cars of 68-72 sure looked nice.....went fast too!
Kids today will never know whats REALLY badass
+Tyler Harris thank you for keeping the flame strong
I'm a hispanic 15 year old and would prefer a chevelle ss or a camaro ss 1969 than an exotic car and listen to old rock music and romantic oldies as well and proud of being mexican american.
+Jesus Trujillo Typically your either one way or the other, not as many people are for both. I like anything that goes fast and/or is fun to drive. But nothing gets my blood pumping like real, naturally aspirated , big displacement, american muscle. Classy, Stylish, and of course that great big blank slate full of potential wonders under the hood. And don't be brand blind, that 400 has just as much potential as that 454 has, and vice versa.
+Zach Shelton Sorry for not responding I don't recall seeing your reply. Anyway i'm now working to buy a 1995 mustang gt 5 speed manual and hopefully put a nice loud exhaust.
Agreed
I'm a Mopar guy from way back, but a few friends of mine had LS6's in Chevelle's and those things were fast. Always liked them. True today's muscle cars are much faster but you'll never forget a 1/4 mile run in one of the original muscle cars. Wonderful experience of sight, sound, and smell.
We agree, Neil. Nothing like the experience of banging gears in an old school muscle car.
For a level playing field, either strip the sc from today's musclecars or add the sc to the old school cars, and the old school muscle would win everytime. jmho
Hell, some of the et times of the old school left me not so impressed with my ls1 ws6 and the 4.6 mustang's. I always respect old school.
Neil Reid
How "fast" could 283 rear wheel HP in a 3,800 pound car possibly be? www.superchevy.com/how-to/additional-tech/sucp-1102-chevrolet-muscle-car-dyno-wars The cars in this video are MODIFIED!
The 455 GTO engine in 1970 was nothing compared to a Ram Air IV. The Ram Air IVs on the dyno consistently shows 450 Horsepower from only 400 cubic inches. If you can find a Ram Air IV with factory 4 speed and 4.33 gears take a ride and experience one of the most powerful Muscle cars ever produced. They can beat any other A body GM car from the same era and put most of the Mopars on a trailer. Pontiac always was ahead of the crowd when it came to performance.
I put down many BBC in the early '70s with my RA IV,albeit in a '64GTO transplant.Had to go with '66 Chevelle 12bolt rear with 4.88 gears.Kept the engine bay hoodlocked,and the rumors were that it was BBC transplant.Ijust told them it was 100% Pontiac,got a "bullshit" in return.As is obvious these engines were top end monsters,the close to 7,000rpm mine revved,the harder it pulled.Stretched it out to 7,500 a few times with no sign of it giving up.Awesome engine with many valve components I'd never seen before or again.
455 has lot more Torque than 400. Torque is what you want Launching a Heavy Car. I know I own 76 Trans-Am 455 built. I've driven and build many Pontiacs with built 400 and built 455 always Wins. More than just Horse Power Kid Torque is over looked especially by Rookies. That 454 in that Chevell was maybe LS6 Big Cam High Compression 11.5 to 12.0 That was Chevy High Perf Special order Engines back than Buy Crate LS6 454 Complete Engine from Chevy Dealer. Friend of mine had 69 Chevelle 454 LS6 had to run race gas 105 octane.
@@klausschreyer7062 As the saying goes "torque rules the street".
Klaus Schreyer Carroll Shelby
Nicholas Wydler hey can the 1970 455 gto judge ram air IV beat a 1970 Buick gsx 455 stage 1 and a 1970 boss 429
Ponitiac 400. Most underrated big block ever. Gotta love em.
Not a big block, but Ram Air IV was no car to mess with
Wasn't a big block but it did make big block type power. No such thing as a Pontiac big block...even the 421/428/455 wasnt
Xcellent Pontiac big block power to be able to compete with the Chevy big block. I also liked Ford's FE Big Block engines. They were similar to Pontiac engines. They were all Big blocks, from 352 to 428. Even the bore and strokes were similar. 390 Ford 3.76" stroke, Pontiac 389 3.75" stroke. 428 Ford 3.98" stroke, Pontiac 428 4" stroke. Ford could have stroked the 428 to 4.23 and had a 455 engine, but elected to start a new big block engine called the 385, available in 429 ci initially, then 460. It was shorter stroke and thicker castings to allow for more boring, like .125", instead of the limited .060 of the FE series. To the nitpickers: why do Chevy people call the 400 a small block 400? Because it's the same block as the 283, 327, 350 engines. I believe nhra classifies engines by cubes. A 400 is considered a medium block. But for most folks, the physical size of the engine is enough. Olds had a small block 401 that they put in some Firebirds. It had the siamese boring similar to the small block Chevy to fit the large bore into the small block.
@@brucear there's no such thing as a big block Pontiac engine
@@jeremythompson9122 You must be a Democrat.
This does show exactly how underrated the GTO Ram Air IV really was. The times were so close, that the horsepower was nearly identical.
The RAIV was vastly underrated. Every stock RAIV I've ever seen on a dyno makes between 440-450 horsepower at 6000 rpm consistently. They were factory rated at 370 horsepower in the GTO and 345 in the T/A I believe. 345 horsepower is laughable. A 389 Tri Power engine was good for that much or more in some cases
@@jeremythompson9122 and the ram air lV is only 400 c.i. right??
damn you really salty that the Chevelle won
James Jensen gto will loose against a Buick stage 2 right even with RAlV 455 what you think also Buick gsx stage 1 vs a 1970 Shelby gt500 which one better
LS6 is underrated too its over 500 stock
My Stock 1970 Ram Air III Auto A/C GTO ( non-Ram Air open scoops ) performed ( Atco) 1974- 14.2's at 106 mph with Goodyear Bias ply tires and a 323 Posi. ( Cheated ) Dual point Distributor , NHRA approved manual ( twist off ) cutouts, spare tire removed. Front tires at 60 psi , rear H-70-14's at 16 psi and a set of Vice grips to on the rear Power Brake line Hose. Old School Secrets Revealed. Loved the Video !
The 106 MPH trap speed isn't even close to reality in a 100% production line stock 1970 RA III GTO - even if equipped with modern day drag radials. In reality, your car trapped in the 96 - 97 MPH range and would have been smoked by a new bone stock 2019 2.0T Accord (not even a fast car).
@@peteshea8010 So true. The Accord is a far superior machine. But please be kind to us old guys. Our memories are fading so the numbers might be a touch off but we still remember the fun factor when we drove those cars.
@@steveminer8341 I only deal in facts. For the record, I'm hardly young. I love the old cars, too. What I dislike is the way some people prefer to greatly exaggerate their abilities back when they were new and 100% production line stock.
@@peteshea8010 Wait until the electric cars get to the point where they will make today's cars look inferior in performance. It's coming, perhaps not in our life time.
@@steveminer8341 Nothing like changing the conversation, huh? MY MAIN POINT: The old "muscle cars" were slow by today's standards, wherein everyday turbo 4 and V6 family sedans offer more performance.
OMG that Chevelle Burn out was awesome!
That little underpowered GTO girl nearly walloped that might LS6.
the 1970 chevelle was the fastest production car.....period....that pontiac didnt stand a chance
now i love the gto's dont get me wrong
Better watch that video again she did wallope him
Guy in the Chevelle won the burn out contest for sure.
ken barr it was called showboating.
Lionel Mokry and?
Derek Ortiz It wasn't about a burnout and l never saw the goat do a burnout but that Derek guy said the Chevelle won the burnout contest for sure. So what.
ken, the Chevelle was spinning tires most of the quarter mile, but the GTO driver obviously had more experience, and put it to pavement.
IDIOT
Growing up as a kid in that era my heart has always been torn between the two, I wish I could own them both.
I just think it is so cool that these cars from over 40 years ago are able to hang with and beat many of todays high performance cars with all of their technology and fuel injection etc....American Muscle was really ahead of its time.
I love American muscle as much as the next guy but no it wasnt ahead of its time. Basically back then they about reached the limit of power you can get out of a internal combustion engine running on gasoline. Theres a difference between ahead of its time and little advancement int technology.
It was limited by lawyers, insurance companies and regulations.
hell guys a stock chevy pickup now can be had w 400 plus hp and w a little money can be at 500 hp
@@Hugeroost Not to mention it will get double the mileage, last longer and out handle any of those old muscle cars. LOL
Yes, engines have steadily gotten more refined, powerful, efficient, etc. Who cares. Drive a new beast for overall performance. Drive a classic muscle care, with brake and tire upgrades for style, good acceleration, bad ass noise.
the Ram air iv engine had a four bolt main block, high lift long duration cam, special high flowing round exhaust head porting, , special anti-pumpup lifters, an aluminum intake, a forged steel crank, 1.65:1 high ratio rocker arms, stiffer valve springs, swirl polished valves, and a few other internal goodies that gave the ram air 4 engine about 425 high rpm hp/torque numbers. essentially nothing from the factory in 69-70 in a ABody car could touch the Ram Air iv in the qtr mile. this car was designed from the factory for the qtr mile. It was a beast!
+Greg amato Let's not forget about the RA/IV '69 Firebirds. They were even quicker since they weighed over 300 lbs less.
+Racer yeh, I would guess about a half second quicker times in the Qtr. mi.
+Greg amato The Ram air IV shared a few goodies with the base GTO 400, die cut combustion chambers, narrowed and hardened valve seats, all GTO 400's came with double moly rings, and the RA IV engines came with forged pistons and crank. When you tear down an engine, you'll find weird stuff sometimes. A certain number of the base 400's must have received special lightweight nickel-alloy intake valves which I estimate gave you about another 500 RPM on top... I do not know if the Ram air IV's had these as the RA IV valve has a slightly taller stem and spring. I have a '69 base 400 engine that has them and also a higher rate spring. (thicker wire) The valves were still good, so they were installed in the current rebuild, (with new springs) and still in service.
Exactly. Those were fantastic engines!
I still love the 1970 judge ram air 111 400 with rare 3 speed hurst shifter
After that John Force Burn Out i’m surprised he had enough fuel left to get down the quarter mile😂🏁👍🏼
Li
I love both these cars. In the super car era [60.s], I had 2 GTO’s, 65 and a 67, both ragtops. Never had a LS6 Chevelle but I’ve ridden in a couple of them, and all I could say was WOW. The Chevelles really boogied. Both my GTO’s were pretty quick. Traded them all in sorry to say. Still have lots of fond car memories of that era [60’s] !
Thanks for sharing !! Moment in time that we’ll never see again, unfortunately. Thanks for watching !!
I will still take the GTO all day long. You look at Mecum and every 3rd car is a Chevelle. Plus my first car was a 72 Pontiac Lemans two speed hydra glide.
Yep the 64 Goat started the fight and the Judge ended it.
Not a 'hydra glide' and also not a Powerglide. The Pontiac 2-speed automatic was a Super Turbine 300 and was a completely different transmission from the chevy Powerglide. Very few, if any at all, interchangeable parts.
Got to give that Pontiac credit! It was gaining on the big end...
The Chevy had 4.88's and the Pontiac had 3.90's. Lets see them run with the same gears . Pontiac for me .
Cool
so the chevy was geared for the track and the pontiac was geared for the street. Basically build a car for its intended use.
@@marivecmontreuil5684 Chevy also was lighter being all aluminum vs the all iron Pontiac blocks, big block compared to Pontiac small block, and more cubic inches 454 vs 400....and Pontiac right there...Pontiac had best engineering of that time period...if they werent blackmailed by the thugs of the Industry they would be the best ever. Why was Ford allowed to stuff aluminum 427s into the tiny mustangs ? Why was Chevy allowed to stuff aluminum 427s into the small Camaros? Pontiac competed and often beat them anyways!
@@slimvickins5059, lol. 454 LS6 is NOT an aluminum block! 🤣🤣
I had a gto 455 1970 good car
OUTSTANDING RUN, these new cars barely running these numbers today just CAMS & HEAD WORK & REAR-END = RAW POWER‼️
Tommy Kelley fuck yea brother
Pontiac was stock and gave away 50cubic inches, should be 396/375hp stock so The GTO won by Handicap of 1sec!!! A 70 GS Stage3 would have matched up😎
lol at the haters of the Chevelle's awesome burnout...yet he still runs a low 12sec pass in a relatively stock 40+ year old car! I'm sure he knows what he's doing. ITS ALL IN GOOD FUN FOLKS.
There is no such thing as "relatively stock." It's stock or it isn't.
Teardown, see if it is stock!
My Dream Car. : 1970 Chevelle SS 454 ! 🇺🇸
I'm a Ford man..69 mach1 428 cj but I love all muscle cars and brother I have great respect for a 70 Chevelle ss 454 with cowl induction! A friend of mine had one back in highschool 1979 very clean!
I was born in 1970 my dad brought a brand new 70 chevelle SS 396 4spd 325hp paid$ 4500 💸 4 it no car note back then ASS kicking car
I have a rc one for now..its pretty fast.lol
Ok . Back in the early 80’s. Bought a 70 Ls6 454 chevelle. Didn’t like body style. Tore engine and transmission out rebuilt them and put them in my 1977 gmc pickup.... very fast truck for the time... sold the body for $200.00... looking back we never knew those cars were going to be so important... we all kick our asses. I would be pretty well off if i had kept all of them just to sell in 2019. List 3- 1966 mustang 2 1972-73 gt Torino’s 1- 1963 ss impala.2-1968 chevelle ss, 1-1970 Ls6. 1-1965 ss chevelle, 1-1972 elcamino ss. 1-1975 ss elcamino. 2-1973-74 dodge dart 340-383 cars... smh 🤦♂️
Robbie Frentz hey can a 1970 boss 429 beat a 1970 Buick gsx 455 stage 1 or a 1971 mustang boss 351
My God this really brings back memories. Those were real machines back then.
New muscle no personality Im Bias to LS6
If these cars are running 12's with 1960's tech, all factory, minus steel belted radials, then that is great. People can brag about 7-10 second 4 cylinders and small blocks, running NO2 and turbo's, but you do the same mods to these big blocks the big blocks will win EVERY TIME.
they are far from stock.
Daniel Majhor Do you know the owners?
Daniel Majhor This is the F.A.S.T. class and these two are not as modded as you think. The FAST record I believe is well into the 10s (10.20s@130). This is old school gold. None of that twin turbo, 100,000K, AWD, bullshit you see at TX2K14.
Daniel Majhor The factory 1/4 time for the LS6 was 13.8
It was rated at 450 :P It easily made over 500.
Warm them not burn them off the rims genius !!! Wow I couldn't believe what I just saw!!!
I'm still hating myself for selling my LS6 Chevelle after I got married. What a freakin mistake!
Seems like the mistake was your wife 😂
I thought the outcome. Poncho is super clean and tough! gotta say that might be bout the best damn burnout I plum seen. I might have lay some twin rubber down myself, back in the day. Kinda neat to come back later and admire the street art. lol
Raced a 1969 GTO "The Judge" 4 spd, don't remember if it had Ram Air or not, but it did have 2 hood scoops. I had a 1969 SS396 Chevelle, L-34 engine, Turbo 400 hydramatic trans, left the goat at the gate and he couldn't catch me. The L-34 option was a 350 hp (slightly under-rated) engine.
I just saw this video and I was shocked. I thought I saw my car. I bought a new ’69 GTO, RAM IV, 4 Speed, Forest Green with Red Stripe Sidewalls. I would run Wednesdays, Saturdays, and Sundays thru-out the season. I blew clutches, and rear ends. I trophied every time but twice, once missing a gear and once running a bracket race against ‘Q’ stock. I ran at the dragstrips in and around Pittsburgh and eastern Ohio. I would eat the Chevelle SS 454 for lunch every time. If I know it was a rare of only 759 build, I wouldn’t have totaled it.
Much closer than I though it would be. Than Goat really took off about half way down the track.
Mid 12's for what looked like two mostly tock cars...without slicks...that's damn impressive...I knew guys that had GTO's in H.S., they were definitely running cars.
Tires every thing Glass poly crap.
I didn't know that John Force drove an SS. That was one hell of a race.😎
Road Test TV: You bring back some groovy memories from my youth. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK ! ! !
The goat was catching the Chevy when they crossed the line by 4 mph. If the race had been, say another few car lengths, the goat would have won.
Never opened the hood of the chevelle but the GTO had those cast iron manifolds.
Talk about a burnout, lol. Suppose he was going to decide the tires were hot enough by the time he got to the shutdown strip? Cracked me up! I learned to drive on a '70 She-velle! :)
My brother had one I rode in it when I was 10 years old man I tell you what laid me back in the sea love it bring back memories
Mark Parker We agree. These cars represent an unforgettable time in muscle car history if you were lucky enough to experience it. Thanks for watching. 👍
It threw you in the ocean?
No wonder you remember it!
That LS6 has slicks after that burnout!
Don't know what is was. I missed something, but kids in the late 90's- 2000's went from a car sounding like a saturn rocket taking off to a super charged leaf blower!
Now this is what Classic racing, is all about ! A CLASSIC 1970 CHEVELLE V.S. ANY CAR, IS DEFINITLY, REALLY SOMETHING TO SEE, BUT AGAINST A G.T.O. !
God that was the sickest, quickest and nastiest burn outI have seen of the +40 plus of these I have watched! Man those tires smoked the absolute second that pedsl hit wood. Damn! Before that it was the mighty 442 455 that seemed the most effortless! And man do I love a show off!!!😋😎😍🤗
That was a well tuned GTO,
454BB will run for sure... Pontiac was coming on !!
That Pontiac was gaining, another 200 ft and the story would've been different
Pontiac ALL IRON SMALL BLOCK 400 vs the all aluminum big block 454.....and Pontiac basically just as fast! Pontiac is the best and not even close
@@slimvickins5059 big block 400
The chevelle saw a gto rolling up fast in rearview mirror
@@davesampson158 Dam right the Pontiac was almost neck and neck at the last
I had a 67 SS396 Chevelle, bought new for $2,900. It was 325HP, 4spd, positraction. No a/c, no pwr steering or pwr brakes. 355 rear end. I added air bags in the rear coil springs so I could equalize the torque on rear end. 50/50 Cureride shocks on the rear. Added an electric fuel pump and gutted the manual pump. Added a Hurst competion plus shifter. Gutted the vacuum advance and converted it to centrifugal advance. I raced it at Raceway Park in Englishtown, NJ for about 2 years in 1968 and 69. I ran it pure stock, class C. I came in runner up in the nationals. Loved that car. It was stolen in 1970 from the place I worked. They completely gutted it down to nothing and dumped it. Broke my heart.
The Goat was pulling up fast at the end but the Chevelle jumped out ahead just enough in the first half of the run to establish the win. Great race of two hallmark muscle cars.
To all who may not know: G.M. muscle (especially Pontiac 400, Olds 350+455) are the most potent power plants ever produced! The LS-6 had 50 more cubes and auto and if the ram air had one less coat of paint he would have won!
If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle
Cool car fast enough with some power windows swing buckets HURST OLDS and PONTIAC Frebird 400.
i bet these cars went head to head many times back in their hay day
A GTO with 4.88's would have smoked that chevelle
@@mercman2.5 even with Baldwin motion and ls7 and copo yenko
My older brother had the LS6 Chevelle 454 in the early 70's. He changed the rear end. It had a 3 speed on the floor. Not sure if that was stock or normal. I was young. I remember sitting in that car and when it was idling would just shake/rumble. Nothing like that feeling. He would take me for a ride and I remember my head being tossed back against the seat when he'd punch it. Good memories!
Thanks for sharing 👍
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I had a 69 Ram Air IV Firebird, it was a fun car to drive. If I had known what its value was today I would have never sold it!
Both cars are powerhouses that did well
Buddy of mine had a Chevelle SS with the LS6, it turned a 12:3 in Denver at over 5000 feet. It had a 4.56 final diff, and the transmission had been regoverned to shift at 7200 RPM all on belted bias-ply tires. I figured the goat probably had a higher rear end 4.11 or 3.93 that's why it was slow out of the hole. The Chevelle was probably running out of Rs on top.
That's a real interesting story, given the 1970 AHRA world record holding LS6 Chevelle (production line stock class) couldn't touch that time. Also, the LS6's power fell off cliff long before reaching 7,200 RPM. Production line stock 1970 LS6 Chevelle, as tested by SUPER CHEVY on a modern chassis dyno: www.superchevy.com/how-to/additional-tech/sucp-1102-chevrolet-muscle-car-dyno-wars/ 1970 AHRA Chevelle SS national record holder: 1970_chevelle_454_ls6.htm Feeling dumb yet for lying to people? If not, you should be.
Pete shea I saw the ET slip and I knew the car, ever was more done to it before he got ahold of it that neither one of us knew about and that's up for conjecture. That engine was rated at 450 horsepower according to the research that I had done.
Pete shea too many people used to get it mixed up with the 375 horse LS 5 which was much more common.
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@@glockguy55 I don't get it "mixed up" and neither did these sources. 283 peak rear wheel HP per SUPER CHEVY: www.superchevy.com/how-to/additional-tech/sucp-1102-chevrolet-muscle-car-dyno-wars 1970 AHRA world record holding LS6 Chevelle in production line stock class: www.chevelle454ls6.com/1970_chevelle_454_ls6.htm I'm a subject matter expert on this topic. You have much learning to do. Now is a good time to start.
Excellent work! Bring on more.
I had a 70 with ls6 it brings back lost memories almost forgotten these kids today need to have things like that ❤
Oh look. That car with almost 100 more horse power won. Didn't see that coming.
I saw a bone stock 400 Ram Air IV on an engine dyno and it made 436 horsepower at 6000rpm. The 370 horsepower factory rating is a joke. I know the LS6 454 was rated at 450 horsepower but I'm not really sure how much power they actually made. All those muscle cars were underrated from the factory back then
The GTO was just building up a head of steam when it trapped at 114.
Those ports were just getting their air ...
Gotta love them both, i had a 70 GTO bought it in 78 and i will tell you she had some long legs, we had a long straight right outside of town and pegged 140 a couple of times, i want to puke everytime i think about the day i sold it, we never dreamed they would be worth so much now days.
I grew up riding in these types of cars, my family had a 1969 Dodge Charger, 1969 Chevelle SS396 and a 1968 Plymouth Roadrunner. We went to a "stock" muscle car shootout at Indy sometime in the late 80's I think it was. I was a Chevelle kid because I loved the 69 my uncle had but there was a 1968 Ram air iv Firebird that was killing everyone. They claimed it was stock except for running open headers and slicks. The Firebird was pulling the wheels and running in the high 11's.
That was a 2 million dollar LS-6 ( That is the going price for a matching #'s LS-6) this dudes hammering on. Awesome!
Dollar value not considered I would rather own and drive the GTO. It's a beautiful car and with that kind of performance it's a winner in my book.
I see doubts here regarding the GTO's performance. I'm going to post an excerpt here of Motor Trends Road Test back in 1966 of 2 1967 GTO's, one a 4Spd car and the other an T400 Auto. Both cars had the Bobcat kit which could be had on a new GTO when ordered and non stock rear tires. This was a 1967 test. The RAIV engine would definitely outperform this. So here you go: Motor Trend : 1967 GTO - Testing 2 Tigers "Without faltering, the Turbo HydraMatic car ran the quarter consistently in the 13.40-second region and recorded speeds averaging 105 mph. It once ran a 13.36-second e.t., and a speed of 106 mph flat. We had hoped it would jump the 4-speed off the line, but only with a little luck could this be accomplished. We had to hold engine rpm down to 1200 at the line because above that there is no provision for stall. With the 4-speed car we could raise rpm to 5200, wait for the green light, dump the clutch and be on our way. Hurst linkage was on both cars, being standard on the 4-speed transmission and optional with Turbo Hydra-Matic. The 4-speed linkage is firm, has a close gate, and appeared strong enough to survive manipulation by Paul Bunyan. The 4-speed car ran consistently in the 13.10 to 13.20-second area with speeds usually around 106 mph. This car recorded one of the fastest 0-60 mph times we've ever seen-4.9 seconds- but with the M&H tires on the back, it's really not a fair comparison with our other road tests."
You somehow failed to mention that the 1967 GTO you referred to was fitted with OPEN LONG TUBE HEADERS!!! wildaboutcarsonline.com/members/AardvarkPublisherAttachments/9990436219424/1967-01_MT_Two_1967_GTOs_Test_1-4.pdf When telling stories on the internet, be sure to include ALL OF THE FACTS! I have an entire library or car magazines from that era. You're on drugs if you think that a bone stock RA IV GTO could even touch that modified Bobcat's time. Low 14s in the 98 MPH was about it for bone stock RA IV GTOs. Sorry, but that's reality.
Ridiculous burnout by the Chevelle. He overheated the tires. They can only get so hot then you are just burning up the tread. This guy is "showboating"
Maybe he owns a Big O tire store.😆
Your point?
4thstooge well, yeah.
4thstooge that burnout is like a guy saying I’m really going to whip your ass, but first watch me flex these muscles.
@@mr.reality9741 I think it was a hell of a burn out and it's his car so let him do what he wants lol
Lots of folks mentioning the Ram Air V engine. The Ram Air V was the automotive equivalent of a pipe dream. It was an engineering exercise for the remote possibility of racing a 303 cubic inch engine in Trans Am circuit. The handful of viable engines were given to people like Nunzi Romano to test and tune. In other words, it was never for sale.
That twitch it did before the burnout! You just can't go wrong with that 454 big block.
Got to be final drive. How were the cars geared? Also looked like the Chevelle needed more rear tire. But the Pontiac was fast. No doubt.
I want the gto
1966 goat 389 tri-power is my favorite.
I saw all these cars growing up nice to see them still out there
Many street racers on the Chevelle, would start out in second gear to keep from losing traction and only need 3rd gear to finish a race. That GTO in this did real well considering how it was out Hp'd to start with.
I can smell the burning rubber that the chevelle made through my phone👌
Thumb up for a good race! I wouldn't turn either car away.
My dad bought me a69 GTO when I was 17 I'm now 60 what I wouldn't give to have that car today!
That 70 LS6 454 450 hp was the largest horsepower motor in a vehicle in 1970
114 mph for the Pontiac, 110 mph for the Chevelle. Approximately same weight... Pontiac was making more power & running him down at the big end.
Not necessarily making more power. The gearing would account for the trap speed difference.
gto weighed as much as 500 pounds more than chevelle. although the fat ass driving the chevy evened things out some.
gto was driving around him...im a chevy guy, but the burnout and...what did he say, ''it's a girl?''....win with class asshole.....run that race 5 more times and you will get 3 different outcomes...
Yes,looked like to me the gto was about to blow by him.
Were you one of those guys that got smoked through the agreed on race and then blew by as the other guy lifted to claim you ran him down?
Might have been a Tenth or two faster without that john force burnout
But it look so nice
i thought it was a burn out comp. for a min.
Lol
I had a 66 goat in the early 70,s put in high lift cam,750 double pumper,hooker headers,Dyno tuned at 440 HP on the ground,paid 1200.00 as second owner,hi pro parts were around 500.00,did my own install had it 2.5 years before selling it,got beat only one time by a 66 Chevy with a 427
Funny! As a teenager I had a ‘65 Fastback with a 289 and a friend had a ram air GTO with a 400. I could outrun him all day everyday. He couldn’t take it and dropped in a 455. I could still smoke his ass with that little 289! True story! It’s even funnier today knowing how big the difference is, didn’t think that much about it in 1980.....
“ Hell, she’s a girl “ almost got spanked. Schweeeeeet ride though
Nice, take either one.
Awesome burnout love that Chevelle good race 👍🏻
That Chevelle is the most beautiful care ever crafted.
great race! both awesome cars. but GTO closing in on 454.
Yea that LS6 had plenty left though.
“I think the tires are finally warm” - Chevelle
Lol
I think he must get his tires wholesale.
My first car was a 70 GTO judge .... lot of fun ... wish i still had it
That burnout was great. I love the stock look of most muscle cars on the outside, but it's the inside that always needs updating to me.
The 114mph trap for the GTO vs 110mph for Chevelle tells you a different story that the small victory the Chevelle saw at the line. Fix the traction issues in both cars and you'll shave a few more tenths off both times and you should also expect the Pontiac to win......that Ram Air Motor seems to be making more power.
Idiotic Chevelle owner probably cooked the bearings with that high school burnout.
***** actually he just cooked his tires! little known fact,overdoing a burnout makes the tires greasy and they don't hook up as well.he might had gone even quicker if not for the huge burnout.
Bigdog302V8 Agreed, forgot about that.
Bigdog302V8 Quicker without the burnout? Maybe.....but it didn't hurt his launch. He was in the lead at 60ft and beyond.......the GTO simply over powered him ran him down to cross the finish line first.. These cars have clearly been TWEAKED for power by people who know what they are doing. The video at the beginning shows stock air cleaners on stock intakes and no headers....the idle on both cars its factory "bump stick" smooth.........these are both pretty AWESOME runs out of each of these cars given those limitations. No losers here....just one car that crossed the line very slightly before the other.
GM killed the wrong company! Long live the Tin Indian! GTO! SHAWN
Very close times but remember it often comes down to driver skills and shifting ability not just HP.
Tires toooo.
All that rubber the Chevelle left behind and the Pontiac just cruises right alongside em' waving, drinking a brew!!!😜
That burnout was so nasty I can smell the rubber burning through my phone
Would still rather have the GTO. Had a 68. And it was fun doing rollback burnouts with it. GRAND TURISMO OGLOMGATA =GTO. Mine was 400 with three speed on the Floor. Lot of fun!
Man, not to many people know what G.T.O. stands for. Even spelled it right. My friend had a 68 firebird, 400 4 - speed car. Verodo green black top. That car would scream. He was fish telling and hit a telephone pole on the driver side quarter panel. It just totaled the car. The frame got bent. He just got the car tuned up too. Shawn
Yes, that is what GTO stands for. Except for one thing... Omologato, is the correct spelling. It appears the correct letters are mostly there, just not in the correct order.
I remember at 11 years old going to the next block and sitting on the corner to watch two cousins play. They were Richie and Steve Zul. 1966. They would run up and down Broadway in Lindenhurst NY like maniacs. Richie had the original Blue Max. it was a 66 nova with the 375 horse 327 in it. Steve had the White Night. It was a 66 convertible Impala with a 396/375 HP engine. Richie would kick Steve's ass all day long. Finally Steve broke the engine on purpose( I will not tell you how) and had it towed to the dealer and asked for a 327. Within a year Richie got that little 327 to over 550 hp and was killing everyone at the races. How He knew the son of the owner of Dzus. MFG. and took aircraft fasteners to the track and sold them. The 12 point fasteners you see today are because of Richie. All the grade 8's and such are from him. Then he sold the Blue Max and moved on. You could never understand cool until you live blocks from three racers at the same time. I won't mention the name of the other one but he had a pro stock. Such great people. I went to school with his brother. I had so much fun in those days. You knew who won the race as soon as it started.
Thanks for sharing. Great muscle car memories !
What a burn out. That was a great race.
Our memories are always faster than reality. 440 Cuda 4- speed pistol grip! Shaker hood, 3.91gears. N- 50's on Cragers and traction bars. Headers and glass packs dual exhaust. Now that's a Muscle car! Enough said! Shawn