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You guys are awesome, and the different perspectives you guys bring has helped so much. Finally got my average above 200 because of you guys.
I like the information here, but I would like to see the basics of how the hand needs to position itself thru the swing to get to the outside and then finish. A frame or segmented analysis of how the hand is working at getting to outside through the swing would help us to try and emulate the correct method of release….. thanks
Great video, really like the level of detail you went into. Makes it sooo much easier to understand. Don't think I've seen another channel cover this as well as you did here. Thanks!
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How do I get a hold of you guys to put in for a lesson
Brad the self confessed “I’m a naturally up the back guy” lol!
I quoted this wrong....oops lol
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I have been starting with my hand on the inside of the ball and trying to finish on the outside with varying results, gonna give this a try on my next practice session, thanks for the tip!
Thanks Brad and Kyle this really helps. You Two did a great at Buffalo Lanes south back in June. Hope you two come back again. Kyle I hope your softball team done well this season...
My scratch league just started on a really short 26' with low volume last night and I was just working on this so it's cool this ironically popped up in recommended. I was playing essentially straight up the 2-board going right up the back of the ball. My comfort zone is usually high axis rotation but that simply will not work on super short patterns. This is solid advice.
Thank you for that vide! I’ve watched many videos on axis rotation and that was by far the best explanation. I can’t wait to work on this on the lanes
Fantastic tips and great camera angles to show the hand release
Guys that was highly informative, something I’ve been waiting for some time, thanks and keep up the good work.
Great video guy's!! This is what I have been working on the last few weeks. Axis rotation and angle. You guy's explained it perfectly. Thank you!
you don't need an apostrophe in "guys", fyi.
Love you guys and love watching you on the tour thanks for everything
I started playing consistently about a year ago and finally got back into bowling after having surgery done. Used to a lighter ball but looking to go for a second heavier ball in a couple months. Looking forward to seeing how my game improves with the tips from your videos
References is great to come back to. Your video make me realize your concept is like the guys who teach golf on KZhead. The plus is how you include your bowling journey. I hope your reach as many subscribers as the golf guys. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
I always have my ball hook early, never even thought about throwing it "forward" definitely gonna help me get over my 170-185 average
Just recently got back into bowling and this channel has been so much help. Thank you for your knowledge!
Absolutely! .. same here! .. these guys are great! .. so much help!
Same with me. Back on the lanes after a 18 year break . These guys gave been a big help.
I'm looking forward to using this advice, tomorrow. I usually play pretty forward, but find that my ball deflects a lot when I hit the pocket, leaving the 5 pin. Maybe playing a little more of an angle will help the ball drive through a little more reliably.
It’s amazing what goes through your head to make a shot..align..focus..approach..drop..slide..swing..release..pray..try again..great game..tuff game.
Belmo is a master of axis tilt, axis rotation, rev control, loft and ball speed control - All whilst walking diagonally across the approach. If you’re not sure, use a full roller so that your ball does not skid through the oil and let the ball design do the talking (i.e. dictate the ball path through the pocket, king and 8 & 9 pins).
The fact that he can put tilt on it with 2 fingers at all is impressive.
Love this video. Made me feel less guilty when many years ago I used to almost "spin" the ball to get it get down the lane when bowling an evening "C" squad at a PBA regional (southern region) when the lanes were completely scorched. At that time, I felt that was my only shot, as I didn't throw with a lot of speed or loft to get through front part of the lane.
Thanks for the tips!
Great video guys!
Shared this with my son. Hope it sinks in with your explanation. Great video.
Excellent advise
Great information guys…thank you!
You guys are great! Very helpfull 🤌⚽️
Awesome video and thank you for sharing your tips..
Big fan of you guys! Keep it up!
Terrific stuff. Can't wait to try it out.
Excellent. Always wondered when to up the back vs get around it more. Thanks for the vids guys!
Same I’ve always heard the phrase up the back but never actually knew how to do it.
I've never heard the names but I kinda realized the difference on my own. I realized if i tried to get all hook from my fingers (which is up the back) i get less hook but more control. If i try to get more hook by really getting under the ball and rotating my wrist i get way more hook but it's harder to control. When I'm on the more hook style is way more powerful but so much harder to control
Super! Thanks for this awesome vid! 🔥
loved it!! very very helpful!!!
Great video i hate getting up the back only because I suck at getting under the ball with a lot of axis rotation. But working on getting that extreme so that I can start playing more up the back if needed or have fun with it and axis rotate the crap out of it if the lane allows
Great breakdown
I am 68 years old,I watch you guys a lot , you guys a educational and fun to watch keep up the good work.
Nice Shorts Brad!
Would love some in depth lessons like this for a 2-hander. It's mostly applicable to both styles but just nice to see the different shots.
@Daniel Bennett Honestly don't feel the statement that the main purpose of 2-handed us to maximise revs, its just a by product. We do it for a variety of reasons, there are several in my league and non of them are "Switchers to get more revs" In fact, maybe we are all bad bowlers or doing it wrong, but I find way more consistency on a house shot playing narrower even if I can play all over the lane with the right ball. But because of the flexibility to adjust our style and still put loads of revs on, we have the benefit of changing the angle easily. In fact you find some bowlers at the top level like Jesper Svensson who can bowl with just one ball all tournament and just change their speed, angle, position, loft etc without needing a ball change, so that's why I feel it would be beneficial for us amateurs to have that expert analysis on when and how to change.
@Daniel Bennett Sorry buddy not defensive just countering your first comment "Harder for this analysis to work" - rather see someone attempting analysis than someone commenting, "its harder to do that, don't bother" Anyway, we're all good, I just have a better grasp on the subject.... cos I use 2 hands.... /joke
Good luck Brad on the next playoff round.
hey brad and kyle can you guys do some videos on using the boards for launch angle? awesome video as always. im a 2 handed bowler and i come out the side of ball on the bottom of my release
Fantastic!
Thank you guys so much for that information I did not know that
I used to bowl league there. Great demonstrations.
"It's going to come off the pattern at a more left" -Brad Miller, 2020
Righty Speak lol!
This is the single most helpful bowling video ive ever seen
Fantastic advice thx u
It’s crazy that I went to Missouri to visit my sister and unknowingly looked for a bowling center in the area and it was this one! I had no idea you guys practice there LOL I went over there like 3 times hit a 272 on lane 9 💪
What lanes? I'm in Missouri too
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amazing video boys :)
Gracias Brat y Kile, podrian hacer sus videos con subtitulos por favor?, saludos bros
I'm not a pinky tuck bowler but curious if this is an adjustable part of your release depending on what kind of axis rotation you're trying for or is your pinky tucked for every 1st ball? Thanks, love and respect from Cleveland, OH.
man i love these videos. something i have a problem with is swining the ball out i play a very tight game and i need to be more avail for different shots any tips
“At a more left”... 🤙
I've long done this, but only recently found that the the balls that have the pin kicked out a little to the right (i'm a righty) hit way better when I come up the back. If the pin is above or below the finger holes, I find it leaves 10's and those layouts I have to come out with more axis rotation and my hand more off the side. In short, I only come up the back when the pin is off to the side some, and then use different levels of axis rotation release when the pin is right above or below the fingers for best results.
Hey fellas, after a ton of research and trying out on the lanes, I've found that perfecting this release is extremely difficult for us mortals and I believe I finally figured out why. No instructional video that I've come across talks about the whipping motion the arm does and or the snap forward. It happens so fast and from some angles, in slow motion, you can't even see it but every pro has it. This is what I'm missing and can't seem to wrap my head around and from everything that I've watched and read this is what others struggle with as well or they do not even know it exists. Every video talks about cupped to uncupped and elbow bend. I believe if this motion can be explained then more people would be able to perform this release or at the very least understand it much better. I'm surprised out of all the videos out there and I've watched hundreds this isn't covered at all to my knowledge.
Definitely a tricky one, and you're right, not many vids out there explain it. Easiest way I can, is that it's just your hand extending to it's lowest point, so basically, keep your elbow bent up until you're about to hit your release point, extend to release the ball, and let your arm swing up, while maintaining firm wrist action and control. Should give you the reaction you're looking for. It's like pitching a baseball, just the other way around.
@@jamiehickey4808 Thank you very much for the response good sir it's much appreciated. This has been one of the most frustrating things in my sports life. Super coordinated guy, a scratch golfer, played all sports growing up it all came naturally to me, but this bowling release has me getting far too many gray hairs lol. I'm a 200 average with my release but I'm a one-trick pony if I have to move left forget it, I'm a Walter ray norm duke play right type but they both can move left I cannot. Thanks again for the response and I will do my best to put your thoughts in motion would love to see a video on this from these guys explaining how to get there and the steps involved. Thanks again and best wishes.
So I’m with you my man and it’s super frustrating I probably have 2 days worth if not more of studying this material for the release your talking about, it’s very involved way more then ANYONE leads on...your fingers have a great deal of involvement along with keeping that elbow tucked and getting that thumb out super fast(been trying to get it down but it’s so uncomfortable and it’s a lot of work putting the pieces together in one super fast motion) my rev-rate is 350 ish the way it is would love to get to 400 - 450 but it’s definitely difficult.
@@djsully8071 Perfectly said DJ, I'm honestly running out of videos to watch regarding anything bowling release related lmao. I watch some stuff practice as much as I can without actual lanes at the house feel really good like ok I got this, get to the lanes throw the ball and I couldn't be further off. Drives me mad. Tuck the elbow, slight elbow bend is enough, work the inside, yo-yo the wrist, roll the bowl with the fingers, seems so damn simple and it is until you get a 15-pound ball on your hand. lol, I see the snap that I mentioned or a whip-like motion it's like the pro's best kept secret and no one talks about it because I believe if I can understand that motion ill get it. I'm not too concerned with revs as much as I am being able to play all parts of the lane, id be totally fine with a Francios Lavoie type release all day. Anyway, best of luck to you brother hope you get it.
There are so many pieces that go into the modern release that it’s hard to show it as just one piece. Dean Champ did a great slow motion series on different pieces of modern shotmaking. If you haven’t checked it out, I recommend it. m.kzhead.info/sun/gZmnnqiajWKwoX0/bejne.html
I'm always amazed how, in all these videos, these guys are just able to swing the ball back and forth with one hand time and time again with the ball not moving an iota. I struggle to stay behind the ball and not grip with my thumb, partly because I feel like the damn thing is going to fall out of my hand on my backswing if I don't. Accordingly, I can't hit my mark consistently, my track looks like a UFO spinner and my average has gone down from when I used a 13-pound house ball and just threw it straight since I got fitted for my own ball and have been trying to throw a hook. The pro shop guy told me he was giving me the lightest ball he'd recommend for someone like me. It still feels too heavy -- like if I tried to hold the ball like these guys do, I'd hurt my wrist.
Probably too far apart on your spread. My ball is the same way. They over shot by about 3/16 so it's hard to hold without squeezing
So let's for example last bowling league night lanes were a little slick would more axis rotation help?
can you do a video regarding your grip involving tape and feel etc? I've been bowling forever but would really like to know how you guys get a comfortable feel in the thumb etc. Obviously this is quite important to be able to do things you are describing in your vids.
I don't hear that too often "I'm one of those guys that naturally likes to go up the back" lmao
All this up the back talk had me rolling!!!!
I don't take 5 different balls to the alley like many do. So I make my ball work for me and the shot I am throwing. Most the time when the lanes are good I roll right straight up the back of the ball but what I also found like with a ten pin I just kinda push my ball off my hand instead of rolling it off my fingers. I don't throw it very fast when I do this but it takes a lot of the hook out and lets me go after the right side easier. Even though it goes slower it still hooks less. Most the time I am a down and in kind of bowler and keep my hand behind the ball but if I have to swing it some from out of the oil to the dry and back I will move more around to the side of the ball some but still behind the ball.. being able do do theses things took years to learn but it will make you a better bowler all around,
I have been bowling in league since 1979 and have a different perspective on axis rotation. Used to be you would have to throw the ball slow enough so that it would hook. Today, due to the revolution in bowling equipment, you throw the ball hard so it doesn't hook too much. Axis rotation definitely adds more hook, but today you can purchase as much hook as you want from your local Pro Shop so you don't need to use axis rotation to get there. The small amount of axis rotation that you naturally impart when staying behind the ball causes the ball to hit the pocket at the correct rotation angle. But as you add more axis rotation you move the rotation toward the balls equator significantly increasing the chances of leaving a 10 pin. If you are smaller like me (160 lb) or Mr. Miller, when you give it more axis rotation you lose power generating weaker hits. If you are over 200 pounds then that isn't much of an issue.
In theory that's correct, but in practice ... I purchased a ball that is supposed to hook, drilled it fingertip, but I still have a hard time hooking it consistently. My wife, on the other hand, can hook a plastic house ball with ease. We got her a new ball and when she presented her old one to the pro shop dude he looked at her in disbelief and said, "You're throwing a hook with *this?* She beamed with pride after that. That's my favorite part of bowling ... trying to work the math and physics out. Every time I step on those boards it's a new set of calculations ... where to stand, starting positions, speed of approach, holding the ball, shoulder checks, torso control, release protocols, spots and arrows ... and the fact that we are able to calculate all of that in the 4 to 10 seconds between arrival and release, adjusting as we move, all on an instinctive level ... and manage to knock those pins down after all of that - hell, in *spite* of all of that. Well it falls squarely in the zone of Miraculous if you ask me. Which nobody did ... so I'll sit down quietly now. Sorry. (...let's go blues...)
Great video. I think this addressed this issue I was having with my ball hooking too much and too soon. One question that's unrelated for you guys or anyone reading this is what are the main causes that you see that lead to torn thumb/knuckle skin? I'm a right handed bowler and the left side of my thumb usually loses a chunk of skin after 5 or more games consistently.
Had this same problem and had to play around with my thumb pitches to prevent it
Tape. Brad talked about it in his bowling ball sizing video that he has to tape his thumb to keep it from tearing
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Great explanation,some bowlers just don't get it , you guys are BRILLIANT
What do y’all recommend for a full roller? It wasn’t taught to me it’s just how I naturally bowl and none of my coaches have ever tried to fix it. Should I just continue on with it or work on fixing it?
Time 3:37 is very helpful!
Well explained...as per my understanding and also as I see during play, I feel that a heavier oil pattern needs a side role in combination with a strong ball. Whereas a drier pattern, a forward role with a moderate hooking ball will do the job. My question to you now is do we need different ball drilling layouts for a forward rolling and side rolling or the same layout would work for both the options but only hand position change?
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Well...depends. Sometimes heavier patterns are also longer. So if you increase axis rotation the ball might go too long. Or it will be inconsistent because it will be sensitive to speed and lane transition. Most pros on tv on long heavy flat patterns go with low axis rotation to control the motion and be close to the pocket. YOu need to try both and see what works for your conditions. :)
@@bowlingxp8345 Thanks for the reply but what about ball layout? Will the same layout work for both forward and side roll?
@@anthonygomes3751 Same layout won't always work. Where the weight is in relation to the holes can affect how the ball reacts down lane. It's why it's a good idea to have a decent sized arsenal with all different balls for different lanes, and play around with drilling to find the right one for that ball, that works for you.
@@anthonygomes3751 For altering axis rotation, the layout is not an obstacle. It's just that some layout will work better with some axis and some better with other axis. Layouts will be a small % of overall ball motion, so don't worry too much about that. I'm glad i could help! Surface and coverstock type is king, and you can check surface experiments on my channel if you like :)
What’s the difference between flare and hook? Thank you!
Could the same technique used in the video be applied to a two handed bowler?
My track goes across the bridge of my finger grips, and to the right/center of my thumb at the point of release.. Yet somehow my ball reaction is deadly and I can easily cover 20+ boards at 18-19mph on a THS. It's sickening to hear me pick up a single pin with plastic. I'm over the thumb hole all the way down the lane. :) -- Looking forward to maybe seeing you two at a regional this season!
hello maybe helpful to have a lighter colored ball with a pattern to show the roll with a mark on the axis?
I got a question for any of you, is it normal for newer bowlers to have a sore wrist after bowling? I just started bowling and my wrist is a little sore and my middle finger is too
Yep. Just need to bowl more and the strength in those areas will come
I’m a special Olympics athlete from Ontario Canada 🇨🇦. I do a backup ball . I want to prove a backup ball. Can guys do a video of how to a backup ball ?🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂
Actually more helpful than most
of oil is traced between the holes of the ball is full roaller or semi?
Shannon Okeefe made a video on inside bowling about rotation. She explained multiplication rotation with how you hold the ball, changing the position of your index and pinky fingers. It seems like this video explains the multiplication with your wrist. What the difference ?
Great info. "Naturally from the back" haha
What ball do you get with your membership on your site? Also, really could use a way to contact you on the site to ask these types of questions :)
Love these videos. Its always best to miss light. I have been a player with about a over 400 rpm and my speed was around 16 mph. I have a style i would liken to a PDW in that I loOOVE axis rotation. My Track flare gets so close to my finger holes its crazy. I find myself manipulating the ball through the heads and suffer from under over reaction bc of it. I did find success at Nationals in 2017 at Southpoint. I ended up shooting 1700 even for the 9 gms and finished 193rd place in Standard All events 190-209 average. I was blown away how good I was bowling bc while everyone was trying to throw it up 14-18 board or whatever out to like 8/9 bc there was a huge out of bounds if it got inside of the 7... I was fading the ball around 21/22 at the arrows with my SCANDAL SOLID and with a lot of axis rotation and nearly BEAK'ing it through the nose but I was stoked. I mets several pros that trip like Haugen Jr., Kyle Troup, and even bumped into a friend I bowled Junior OJCTA's with a decade earlier, so random!! We got a pick and everything. Anyone know Chris Mongelli? He's a beast on the lanes. I think he is a ball rep now.
For me, its hard to get under the ball for some reason. Had someone record me the other day and my hand was so over the ball. Should I try using a lighter ball? I'm using a 13 pound surge
Jus started bowling again after 8 years ahah , any recommendations? I have 3 14lb balls I’m a 2 finger bowler and my fingers & wrist are killing me I can’t really use 1 hand to smoothly throw it so it’s hurting, but I don’t wanna start using 2 hands
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Another great videos guys! I can throw the ball straight, I can throw a back up ball, but when I'm struggling to hook the ball to the pocket my elbow flies out and I throw weak spinners. I really struggle when I have to move just a little left to get off the house shot friction. Should I duct tape my elbow to my torso? I need help!
are you holding out to the side? If you start at your chest it will swing around the body. Also I noticed sometimes I step sideways and that can make it swing round. Look at your feet after the throw.
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Hey i just sucked in a tournament where i struggled with slowing my speed down, do you guys already have a video about slowing down you speed? if not could you do one? Thanks
shorter steps, move up on the approach, it forces you to slow down your legs, keep your swing the same, your speed will be slower
I miss bowling. Kinda wish I had never quit. My ball is 20+ years old now and the grips have gotta be shot. Think I have a Zone and a Rhino Pro in that bag haha
I feel like as I move left, I naturally try to add axis rotation, but then if I need to move back right, I struggle to undo the axis rotation I added, any tips?
Typically when I like to go up the back I tend to release on the forward as well. For a good strong finish, drive the ball forward for the best action.
It's cool as shit seeing you guys where I always bowl. Small world! Hope I get to run into you guys sometime while I'm there! Do either of you happen to do any in person coaching while your back home?
I would like to do the rotation , can you use a colorful ball so we can actually try and see the difference
So for a bowler that usually comes around the bowling ball then choose to do the opposite, does that bowler usually see a huge loss in the amount of revs when making that adjustment?
I have the altered reality, and mine hooks before the pins.. I thought I tried everything, I will try this again and see how it comes out
Two questions, guys: first, doesn't axis tilt also extend the skid phase? Second, it seems, from personal experience, that wrist supports don't make it easy to stay up the back of the ball. any thoughts or suggestions?
It would really help to have something visual on the bowling ball so you can see the change in rotation as well
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Can you guys explain some tips on 2 hands if you know any?
All these tips work for 2 handers (I use them for it myself!) you just might need to slow down a bit and adapt them slightly to your method of bowling. This one for example might need a change in where your left hand is positioned also, to be able to change around your right a bit and maintain balance/strength, until you find the right spot
I come around the ball, started doing that with a house ball years ago to get it to hook and still release like that, how can I switch to coming up the back since my ball takes off when it hits the dry even my iq tour
If you guys invested in some high speed cameras it would be cool to see high definition slow motion of ball movement and stuff like that.
I main thing is that is what ever works for you as long you see strikes