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Peter Hitchens is an author, broadcaster, journalist, and commentator. He writes for The Mail on Sunday. He has published numerous books, including The Abolition of Britain, The Rage Against God, The War We Never Fought and The Phoney Victory.
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Hi Alex, if you are still interested in learning from this conversation, I do think you should have skipped to another topic quicker. That said, it was also clear that Peter was in an adversarial mode from the first second.
hmm, I _also_ actively dislike you, but that doesn't seem to be able to stop this site from constantly recommending your shit videos to me
Why you would entertain this pompous moron I do not know.
I think when Hitchens got angry about the "what about alcohol" thing, Alex missed an argument. Alcohol is legal. We don't want people flying planes, driving buses, or doing brain surgery under the influence of alcohol. Why don't we already have a "testing" problem?
I now recall the uncomfortable experience of your watching you, Alex, and will never watch another one of your videos again. You're a petulant and rude young man. ... I taught buttheads like you. You're the kind of young man I would ignore until I had to send him to the office. ... This was generally followed up upon by a phone call to the parents of spoiled children like you.
Ironically, Peter Hitchens succeeded at proving that you can have a complete mental health breakdown WITHOUT marijuana.
Smoking a bit would probably do him a lot of good
@@pitmclord Personally, I think weed is often harmful. But yes, for him I’d probably agree 😂. Gotta learn to chill.
lmao
This was clearly caused by interacting with a irritating millennial, not marijuana
@@davidsimpson7229 smoking anything is always harmful, but adults should have the agency to make their own mistakes
"1 minute would've been too long to talk about drugs." - a man who wrote a book concerning drug use
Right ! 😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂
As if he said, " I wrote a book about it...enough said".
And Alex cleared the topic with him multiple times in advance 🥴 Old bastard
he only wants to talk about it if its the propoganda being unchallenged. no intellectual integrity allowed.
Thank god you shared this. He abused you, bullied you, and this is one of the most childish and immature explosions I've seen from an "intellectual" in maybe my whole life.
I would hardly describe Peter as an intellectual. He sounds much more like a highly opinionated pompous ass.
...You owe me a long letter of apology...
pathetic fan boy over here is too dumb to see that Alex is a smug and pretentious dipshit with no background in the things he talks about and no credentials at all
Oh do shut up. He abused you? Bullied? Are you a 16-year-old schoolgirl? He clearly didn't like Alex and let him know. Alex has an imperious way about him, even condescending. He may want to look at Andrew Gold on how to conduct a respectful interview.
Yeah pretty pathetic.
Get this man a bong
😄 🤣 😂 Definitely agree
Imagine writing a whole book about how you support a war on drugs, being invited to talk about drugs, and then getting mad about being asked about drugs.
I thought the same thing
yea and when hes asked questions on said book, he says he doesn't have to answer that because it was answered already in the book or in x blog. If you wrote the book or the blog you should be able to answer questions without referring back to them lol.
@@AussiesnrgLMAO it's gotten even dumber now that I'm watching the interview. He, in one breath, complains first about Alex asking him questions about this when his views about it are already well known since he has already written a book about it, but then complains about how nobody bought his book or even knew it existed! Just completely nonsensical, what a sad insecure excuse of a man.
@@ragegaze3482he is mad that no one gives a crap about his book, it's sadly transparent
I can respect someone not liking drugs, not taking them, or not wanting them to be sold in a black market. But anyone who supports a "war on drugs" it's just delusional and not to be taken off seriously in my opinion.
Imagine this grown man who, instead of saying “Sorry, Alex, can we move onto a different topic”, decides to have a full on tantrum 😂
100% If he was so tired of talking about drugs after 30 minutes for example why didn't he just say, "I'd like to switch topics now. This one is boring." But instead he has a temper tantrum like a 5 year old child.
@@Fairburne69You get that Peter wasn't actually "tired of the topic," right? That was his excuse, but it was clear that Peter just kept growing increasingly mad that Alex was bringing up salient points that he simply could not refute. This is what frustration (particularly with not being as smart as you'd like to think) looks like.
The issue is that Alex pointed follow-up questions showed how weak Hitchens' answers are. Hitchens really hates it when he gets exposed like that.
He did say it at the 11 minute mark. I think, however dislikable he is, he did say he didn't want to go on about it, at least once.
11:50 he said he doesnt want to go on about the subject
47:40 I just skipped to near the end and thought that he was having an interview with a chair called Peter who had been lured there under false pretences.
hahahahah
This comment deserves way more likes. So funny 😂
Lolllllll holy moly this comment is underrated.
"Every time I speak my opinion, you don't agree with me, and that is very tedious and makes me doubt your mental acuity" This fuckin guy
Hahahaha! It's a first in the podcast world.
The point wasnt "well alcohols bad too" the point is alcohol is completely legal and we dont see planes crashing all over the place because we dont breathalyze pilots every morning
Absolutely. If Hitchens had been able to control his rage for a second, he could've seen why this was a real counter argument, made in good faith. Should've given it pause, and answered it, if it's so simple to answer
There is a difference actually, because alcohol is metabolised far more quickly than cannabis. THC remains in the blood stream for days after intoxication and it is far harder to predict the level of cognitive impairment caused by cannabis, based on a certain level detected in the blood than it is for alcohol. Basically if a pilot or surgeon etc takes a certain amount of alcohol a certain number of hours before reporting to duty, then it is possible to determine the number of hours after consumption by which there will no longer be any impairment due to the alcohol. That simply is not the case for cannabis.
Pilots are very frequently caught drunk. This has been a majory problem for decades. What a naive thing to say. Pilots have monstrous rates of alcoholism and people have died because of it.
@@anthonyfrattalone9937 Yep also pilots are high enough already, without them smoking weed!
But we do...
Imagine he’d gotten Hitchens to sit back down after 20 minutes of arguing. “So… God. … Do you think he’d have decriminalised drugs?”
Well played, Sir.
lmao 👍🏼 WWJD
Bravo - would have been a peach
lol!
Yeah. Can you imagine if Alex had sat down and said that? It would have been hilarious. All he wants to talk about is legalizing all drugs, and I’m not sure which ones; however, all I can imagine is marijuana because his focus was on marijuana. Marijuana has been legal for purely recreational purposes here in California for over 6 years (and is legal for purely recreational purposes in 20 other US States, like all of New England from New York up to Maine and several others), and I haven’t noticed the slightest change in society during that time. And I’m no Gen Z. I’m 65, and I frankly couldn’t care less about the topic. It’s a non- issue here and laughably boring and uninteresting. It would be like debating whether Irish Whisky should be legal. Okay, so what else is on the agenda?
I've never seen someone take so long to storm out of a room
really
😂
It’s because he likes to go in circles. Both physically and argumentatively.
reminds me of the Key and peele sketch :P
Peter Hitchens basically saying: "I HAVE BEEN ABUSED, THIS IS MY LIVED EXPERIENCE YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO CONTRADICT THAT!" ...Now that is pretty ironic! 😂
This is a masterclass in dealing with an angry, irrational, and incorrect person. Alex, you handled this with grace, patience, logic, and correctness. I respect you tremendously for being kind while also standing up for yourself. Anyone, whether or not they agree with your positions on this topic or any topic should see that Hitchens was being cowardly and ridiculous. Thank you for posting this.
Peter Hitchens could have said at any time: Enough about drugs, let’s change the topic.
A good interviewer would have backed off...seeing that it was GOING NOWHERE!!! The interviewer had not prepared properly.
He did, about 10 times actually!
I think at around 10 minutes in, you could start to tell that Hitchens was getting a bit annoyed, but that was hard to catch. About 25-ish minutes in, he was off the rails, completely upset by it, and the conversation was going nowhere. I think Hitchens said at one point something along the lines of, "I mean, we can keep going on about this if you really want to." I don't think it excuses Hitchens' behavior. I think that Alex wasn't satisfied with Hitchens' counter arguments, but failed to see that he wasn't going to elaborate after that 25 minute mark. He should have swallowed it, accepted his non-answers, and moved on.
@@ralphinoful "we can keep going on about this if you really want to" and he did, so why be a lil rage piggy?
This meltdown could have been avoided by a single: "Alex, I think I've grown a bit tired of this topic, would you mind if we moved on?" This just goes to show you it doesn't matter how intelligent or well-educated you are, if you don't know how to check your ego, you'll still find yourself behaving like a child every now and then.
Bingo.
He kinda says that multiple times about how he’s board, how he’d like to move on, how he wasn’t prepared to talk about Portugal, etc… Plus the interview was only supposed to be an hour and it was 48 minutes on the one topic.
@@bubbacheese3929 Yeah but if it was bothering him so much he could've just been more firm about moving on instead of throwing a temper tantrum
Could have been avoided by any awareness and decent questioning on Alex' part, also. Both are to blame.
Easiest solution.
"So far, so good." The opener of a man ready to leave.
I dunno, his delivery of the line struck me as something his brother would've said. Christopher said a lot of that kind of thing, but it was usually in good spirits. Christopher said those things as jokes - Peter, not so much.
Exactly. Christopher would have said it in jest. His brother oozes self-pity and childish petulance. Not to mention a repulsive lack of good manners.
@@fang_xianfuChristopher had a very different outlook on life to his brother. Without immortalisation in an afterlife one is very aware that you treat others with respect because this is it, why waste energy reducing others unless they themselves look set to cause harm to others. Peter thinks he's right, convinced of that, and obviously felt this was beneath him. From the start.
Thats what i was thinking too
“So far so good.” ….What a STRANGE first response to the opening of the Podcast?
Don't get discouraged Alex, keep doing what you are doing! Your work is greatly apreciated!
Damn this guy loves the sound of his own voice. What an insufferablr geezer
ABSOLUTELY!!!
"You're obsessed with drugs." -Guy who wrote a book about drugs. "I think you've behaved disgracefully." -Guy off screen because he stormed out after insulting the host.
The lack of self-awareness is truly embarrassing to watch. But I can’t look away. Was this an episode of the office?
@@trumanfalkner3475 "The lack of self awareness...." is why I suspect that secretly, he's *still* a Trot, and all his lip service towards conservatism is just that; lip service.
@@Si_Mondo Yes, interesting thought. You could be right.
I agree that Hitchens' off screen rant was unprofessional but if they really agreed to 1 hour then it's Alex's fault. He's the one interviewing Hitchens and he should change the subject every 10-15 minutes. Alex didn't do a good job of time management and that's on him.
@@neptuneamaru5649 _"... but if they really agreed to 1 hour then it's Alex's fault."_ - But as clearly stated by Alex at the beginning, that _isn't_ what they agreed to.
I like Peter's strategy of waiting until the EXACT moment Alex starts speaking to talk over him
Yeah, that was wild. Every single time, without fail, Alex waited for Peter to finish, give a small pause to be sure, inhale and Peter would cut him off immediately, often with mere grunting noises. Bewildering, really.
@@felixmerz6229It was like something out of a cartoon
It's infuriating. I hate people that do this
@@felixmerz6229 lol. Hitchens is a conversation hog. He does that all the time.
And HE’S the one who continuously said that Alex was rude. Staggering in his unawareness.
Alex, you earned so much respect from us all for how well you handled the situation!!! 💖🙏🖖
"This isn't because you've got the better of me!" Says it all
In the literal first minute: Alex - " Thank you for being here" Peter: " So far, so good" That in itself should have been a MASSIVE red flag.
to be fair to him he does often say that in his interviews. I remember a much more constructive conversation with Novara Media
He says it in every interview. The fact you dont know this shows how ignorabt you are of him
Tries to start it off with a witty start like Christopher would have done, but fails.
@@kil93honestly that doesn’t make it any less of a red flag lol
@@kil93why wouldn't one be ignorant of some old goblin looking rude mf? Anything wrong with it?
“Thanks for being here.” “So far, so good.” Already off to a tragic start. Man, what an absolute grump of a man.
Foreshadowing irony
Yeah I clocked that too, that was brutally rude. What an entitled old prick.
I think the biggest struggle with Peter Hitchens is that he has become quite used to anticipating ambush, antagonistic journalism. That shouldn't be Alex's problem, though. If Hitchens has lost the ability to retain a sense of good will and benefit of the doubt, then it's time to hang up his hat and coat, and get out of the game. He can bang on about morality all he wants, but if he doesn't observe the milder courtesies (also under the morality umbrella), then he's no better than the thing he rails against. What a poor example and message this sends to young people, that you can expect the older men you look up to to look down on you with derision and suspicion, devolving into outright false accusation? Hitchens should be the one to eat an entire patisserie of humble pies, and apologise to Alex. It's obvious Peter has given up on life and society.
I noticed that too and got 5k views on Twitter for saying so to him, but then people responded accusing me of helping Alex spin a narrative? I'm not biased in Alex favour, I have no idea who he is. I was biased in the favour of Mr Hitchens and still disappointed here.
@@the-coopI don't really think anyone could accuse Alex of trying to spin a narrative, because every time he opened his mouth to speak, Hitchens cut him off and drowned him out.
This is incredibly embarrassing for Hitchens. What a childish tantrum. Wow. You showed an incredible amount of patience with him, but he was nothing but completely rude throughout the entire conversation.
When he threw the cushion down on the chair, I thought a pillow fight was about to break out?!!!
That was a British pillow fight
Peter's problem is that he believes once he's explained his side of the argument you have to agree with him.
What's weird is people are commenting as if Alex should just move on when he gives his answer. The whole point of an interview is to critique ideas and to see how they miss with other ideas
I think he is fine with not agreeing with him, he keeps reitorating "that is just my opinion". He just does not want his opinion to be challanged. Typical fake tollerance you see a lot, everyone is allowed to have their shitty opinions but you are not allowed to have a opinion about the opinion.
That's what we call a bingo.
God , I got this exact feeling from him. "I've said my part, thanks for agreeing with me."
@@jerrmhsI thought people did that when they engaged in polemics, or a debate, even dialogue, but not this back and forth arguing and calling it an interview. Correct me if i’m wrong
Hitchens wants to call Alex rude but he constantly talked over the top of him and raised his voice, speaking down to him. 🤯 well done to Alex for remaining polite and calm.
Totally agree!
100% He misunderstood Alex, then spent several minutes berating him whilst not letting him explain. Alex showed superhuman restraint.
@@octoBadger Truly a teeth grinding moment. Alex is a better man than I. I would have told him to shut his mouth lol
I used to have respect for Hitchens, but that was pathetic.
It's a shame Alex didn't introduce the concept that those who want to smoke cannabis do already, and legalisation is unlikely to increase the rate of consumption.
Not to take away from the other interviews, but this was one of the most facinating videos I have seen on your channel!
This is the longest, most proper, storm out of a room, that I have ever seen.
If you took a shot for every sentence Alex got through without Peter shouting over him, you would be as sober as Peter wants the entire planet to be.
Hahajaha!!!!
😂😂😂
What a miserable lad he seems.
i will now be playing this with a dab pen
The real question is, is Peter even sober himself?
“Rude, incompetent, and extremely dishonest” Peter says, while berating you for simply asking questions. Wonderful projection. Alex, you did a fantastic job here.
And Alex never left his chair. Even after being called a moron. I do not have that level of restraint. It's obvious Hitchens believes his opinions to be facts that ought not be questioned. And was offended that an interviewer would question his expertise. But I don't believe Alex was doing it to insult him. He was nudging him to consider a different opinion so as to have an exciting conversation. But Hitchens would have none of it. His ego is big and he was insulted. Very sad, indeed.
I feel that Peter was already in a strange mood and essentially anticipating the interview to go badly when he responded to Alex by immediately saying "so far so good" when Alex said "Thank you for being here". This experience was painful to watch.
Not dishonest but could be considered incompetent. Alex's guest was clearly getting irritated going around in circles . Alex will learn from this and become a better interviewer
@@MarcusCicero1 It's not up to Alex to babysit his guests, it's up to them to not act like dementia patients--unless they actually have dementia.
@@MarcusCicero1 people usually go around in circles when no answers of substance are being produced
Thank goodness you showed this, all he did was interrupt every time you spoke and he was a bad guest on this podcast and i’m amazed you were as calm as you were
I'm not sure I could talk to that guy without getting angry. Alex did a great job remaining calm. A great skill to have.😃
You have the patience of a saint, Alex. I cannot even imagine being that polite, for that long, with that man.
Right! I have not idea how people like him do not come out swinging and swearing up a storm.
He should not have taken all that. He should have told him I'm sorry u feel that way. It wasn't my intent to waste you time. But you can get the fuck out now. He does not need to sit there and take that man's tirade. Just agree to disagree and throw him out. Just one more example of why you should never meet your heros.
What a pompous prick!! No wonder nobody listens to him.
@@mbvurawn370Peter Hitchens is someone's hero?
Yeah honeslty i would have thrown the water on the table on his face
I've never seen someone voluntarily go onto a podcast who so vehemently does NOT want to have a conversation.
By his own admission, slogged across London on a bike aswell to have said conversation he didn't want to have.
@@for111really???😂😂is he mad?? Lmfao what a slag
Kanye West on TimcastIRL.
@@for111m
He is also doing it for free. Alex gets a lot out of it and Mr Hitchens gets nothing but an hour in the company of a entitled pseudo intellectual.
Peter Hitchens: There no point in talking about this because no one will ever listen to me! * goes on podcast to talk about this very topic * What was the guy thinking? If he doesn't want to talk about it then... why is he here? I just don't understand why any of this happened at all. He was so rude, too, just would not let you get a word in. You are always so respectful of other people and their time, literally the most out of any debater/interviewer/podcaster I have watched recently. He just kept interrupting what you were saying to suggest it was a dumb question without actually letting you finish the question. And then he gets mad that you're repeating yourself because you're trying to react to what he's saying and suggest a relationship between points he's made and what you're trying to ask him so he understand. You absolutely did not treat him badly IN ANY WAY, the nerve of him to say that YOU abused HIM. Really enjoying going through these videos, though, thanks for your podcast
The only thing I got from this discussion is that Peter Hitchens does not understand what an interview is.
He writes a book about drugs, but thinks it's unreasonable to ask him about drugs. He starts being angry and rude after about 16 minutes of the interview, then accuses you of behaving badly. Unbelievable.
Right? He writes books and articles on a subject that's so "boring" to him?
why keep going on about drugs........though...it was way too repetitive... He needed to move on
this tells you that you shouldn't read his book
Later he says he didn't want to spend 1 minute talking about drugs in the first place! So why agree to an interview?
@@algorithm007ify Was it though? They only had 2 topics to discuss. Drugs and God. Also, even if it was too long, Peter could have simply said "Hey Alex, why dont we move on to the next subject, Im getting bored of talking about drugs all the time" Or something like this.
The fact that his very first words were "So far, so good." is just pure gold. He already sounds bored and passive aggressively "stand-off-ish", like he's just waiting for a reason to be pissed. 😂
You hit the nail on the head! He came in already wearing "I'm being attacked!"-tinted glasses, so everything he saw looked like an attack.
His an old man lol its to be expected
@@yoyo-lf3ldnope
@@yoyo-lf3ld I've talked to old men about subjects we disagree on and I've had run ins with absolute tools and true gentlemen. This is just disgraceful, I agree with some of the things Hitchens is saying but God damn, way to go off the rails and not fight the argument. He seems like a person who's mad the world isn't going his way, grow up... And if I were Alex I wouldn't have been even closely as patient as him. Cheers!
@@yoyo-lf3ld exactly, probably dealing with chronic pain which makes him cranky too
You stayed so respectful Alex, something I need to learn, respect to i
No he didn't. And sooo cold! Wow, I've seen other boring interviews with this man, and now I know why he's boring. He's like an unstoppable machine.
@@debbielondon1809 then don't watch him???
Peter go back to your tweeting
peter hitchens, the absolute opposite of his brother Christopher. Thank you for showing the whole interview.
You should apologize to Hitchens for offending him and beg him for another interview. Tell him you want to talk about God. Then when he sits down, ask him, "When Jesus starts his thousand year reign, do you think he'll legalize drugs?"
funniest comment i've read in years
As a Christian, this is hilarious 😂
😂
Excellent suggestion!
😂😂😂😂
Storming out doesn't have quite the same effect when you stand there for 15 minutes arguing off camera
Exactly my thought :D If all he did was to just storm out it would have left him in much better situation now. Sure, still disrespectful thing to do, but he would have skipped 15 minutes of making himself look like a total A hole :D
I doubt you will ever read this but I would like to thank you for doing this. These conversations need to be had and it says so much that the only argument the anti-cannabis crowd can make is getting angry.
you handled it so well its crazy
The way this man consistently cuts you off mid point, takes half of what you said, answers it badly, and then throws a tantrum about it is just astounding
This was the most painful part of the "interview" to watch for me by far. Just let him finish the question once Peter, please.
Ya, some serous projection Peter was demonstrating calling Alex rude.
Peter Hitchens has embarrassed himself by exhibiting the most ill-mannered and ill-tempered behavior I've seen.
@@iemy2949 Projection: the propaganda alligation was another example.
@@obiwanduglobi6359 ya fr.
I always thought he seemed insufferable when debating his brother, but I attributed that to sibling rivalry. It would seem he’s more consistent than I gave him credit for.
Finally someone who understands
He hates it when people don't agree to his point and stay focused on his point. He's of the type that if you're talking or arguing about a specific discourse; then stay on topic and don't change the subject so to speak about another already established issue. He's kind of got a point. But he doesn't state it clear enough I guess. Or at least in a way that gets it out there that he wants the interviewer or person arguing with or against him to stay on topic. Maybe there's something else. But I'm getting this vibe from this particular interview.
Yeah, he’s always been an obnoxious jerk. Like you said tho, it could have seemed more obvious when debating Chris. But when I looked in on other conversations people had with him he had that self satisfied arrogance far too many apologists possess.
Yes he’s always been an insufferable twat. I don’t think anyone would give his opinions the time of day were it not for his brother.
I feel like he could have been less of a boomer and stayed in his chair and demanded the subject be changed without all the drama. All I learned is he doesn't like Portugal and Alex.
Alex, you are doing really important work on your channel in showing that it is possible to use social media in KZhead in a positive way, remaining calm, fair and respectful to people you disagree with, and seeking to remain honest and sincere. This is very important for our world. Please don't stop!
Ironically, a small toke on a joint may have mitigated this complete mental breakdown and buffoonery... Man came back into the room and went full "You sly dog, you got me monologuing!" Realized he had embarrassed himself and stayed for so long, desperately fishing for Alex to say or do something that would justify his outburst, and he got absolutely nothing.
Just imagine Peter Hitches angrily riding a bicycle with his little helmet and backpack.
Jesus Christ is the only hope in this world no other gods will lead you to heaven There is no security or hope with out Jesus Christ in this world come and repent of all sins today Today is the day of salvation come to the loving savior Today repent and do not go to hell Come to Jesus Christ today Jesus Christ is only way to heaven Repent and follow him today seek his heart Jesus Christ can fill the emptiness he can fill the void Heaven and hell is real cone to the loving savior today Today is the day of salvation tomorrow might be to late come to the loving savior today Holy Spirit Can give you peace guidance and purpose and the Lord will John 3:16-21 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. Mark 1.15 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Hebrews 11:6 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. Jesus
😂😂😂
Little helmet's a bit personal. And how do you know that anyway?
@@matthewphilip1977😂😂😂
RUDE! 😂
“So far so good” what an embarrassing man.
yeah, what a comment.
Why did he even do the interview? That alone was such a striking demonstration that he entered the interview with a massive bias towards Alex.
Was JUST about to type this lol. You can tell his attitude from the very start
Following the introduction, I really just jumped ahead to see what the meltdown occurred over. Truly bizarre. You handled yourself exceptionally well in the face of his tantrum. It's abundantly clear that you (up until this interview, i suspect) had a lot of respect for Peter Hitchens, and I'm sure that exactly why you wanted to interview him on your podcast.
In this interview, we have just witnessed the frustration of a man tired of living in the shadow of his younger brother.
Peter Hitchens: writes an entire book on drugs. Also Peter Hitchens: "omg how could you ask me to speak for an ENTIRE hour about drugs" ???
He said a minute was too long.
@mums_poop_sock I had to scratch my head when he was like "I've spent my whole life talking about drugs" then was offended that Alex wanted to talk about drugs.
@@thekwjiboo The kid admitted right at the beginning that the agreement was to speak about several topics in the interview
@@mums_poop_sock I think that was one of the craziest counter points he made
@@garymitchell5899 sure, but that's totally different from the petulant "A minute is too long" complaint I was replying to.
Primed from the start: "Thanks for being here". "So far, so good."
exactly what I was thinking. First words out of his mouth, and it was over before it even started
absolutely hilarious
This is what performative outrage looks like, and it is hilarious to watch Peter Hitchins make such a fool of himself in this attempt.
Why was Hitchens there, though? He clearly did not want to be, and he clearly despised the young puppet.
@@johnjameson6751 He was afraid to leave. He kept trying to justify the act of leaving as if there were going to be some sort of judgement that might involve punishment. Don't you find that odd?
I am laughing so loud, this 20 minutes exchanges is hilarious! You guys seem to enjoy talking to each other so much that you both coudn't stop repeating the same things over and over to each other for 20 minutes ! 😂 And at 56:00 "It absolutely didn't flow!" The way he said it just killed me 😂😂 Thank you for this joyful time! 😂
"Lets see what they think about it" *Subscribed*
He strikes me as somebody who simply wants to tell people what he thinks, but isn't interested in explaining why he thinks it.
@@mentalminority id like to think so otherwise how would he have got here?
At a certain point of intellect, You can not reason with stupid people. You will explain to them exactly. And then they will say the same thing in a different way, Forever. Hitchins is beyond this man. Alex is like a politician, he knows how to sound a certain way, I bet he got flying colours at university yet didn't understand a single thing. He's like some posh nepo baby standing up in the Oxford union explaining a weak point in a 7000 word essay in the world's most posh accent, sipping whiskey.
@@ConDuiler Totally agree, initially I skipped to the part where Hitchens storms out and I got a negative opinion of him, but then I went back to listen to the whole interview and that changed my entire mind. Alex O'Connor is clearly smoking something (not that there's anything wrong with drugs - in case that triggers someone), but that pattern is always the same for people on drugs. It's all they can talk about. The only mistake Hitchens made was that he agreed to this interview. Alex O'Connor should apologize to everyone when he realizes he wasted such an opportunity.
@jimnz8402 Hitchins may come off as a pompous, narcissistic belligerent at first, How you come off is irrelevant. He's correct, highly intelligent, Refined. You can't just fire off questions at this man as if you're in some A level secondary school class, Half these questions are almost so ignorant and thoughtless he's borderline insulting hitchins the entire interview. It's like inviting a world class snooker player to a game of charity snooker and you put him up against some guy from the pub.. the high level snooker player will come off as a pompous arrogant arcehole but why the fuck would he be happy with this situation, You've wasted his time and humiliated him.. He's not going to sit there and teach someone how to play snooker when you've got him here on the pretense of taking part in a charity match. You want hitchins to educate you? Maybe try reading his books cover to cover for a start.
Is he not telling what he thinks because he was asked what he thinks?
HAHAHA just the opening: Alex: “Thanks for being here!” Peter: “So far… so good…” Alex (thinking): what a f****ng weird way to say hi, but ok 😂
First thought to cross my mind. Haven't watched the whole clip yet, but for some reason he sounded defensive from the jump. That's definitely not normal.
@@ZekeMagnar eh, I think that's probably a fine, realistic view of affairs. No need to be unnecessarily positive. this might be a hindsight thing. That phrase on its own in this context is completely okay in my eyes
@@alexlink4623 Nah it's definitely defensive. Not only the words, but also the way he said them
my thoughts too
@@getasimbehardly. Could easily be construed as just an endearing thing to say, jesting about the unlikely possibility of some sort of disaster, to, somewhat contrarily, show that you're not after anything like that, and you want things to be civil Actually wait that is a tad defensive...
Thank you for your integrity and respect, Alex.
"I couldnt even be bothered to read properly what Ive written about it" is just gold
I am blown away at how disrespectful, and childish that man was. you handled that awkward situation way better than I would have.
He’s a spoiled child, unhappy with himself and his life. Just listening to him whining that his book didn’t get the praise he thinks it deserves explains Hitchens entire personality. The thought that the book was maybe just rubbish doesn’t even occur to him.
Have you never read his columns or seen him on TV before? When he's not angry, aggressive and insulting he passive-aggressive, fuming inside and still just as insulting. He occasionally adopts a Libertarian stance on the odd issue but is basically a full-on Conservative D*CKHEAD... Authoritarian nutjob with more in common with Commies than Libertarians and Liberals. The more Conservative you are the more joy & jobs you want banned, and the more kids beaten, and prisoners executed. Nasty moronic NANNY-COP STATIST.
Too busy thinking he's superior. He's very stuck in his ways of thinking
He is a notorious contrarian. If there were a massive Christian revival in the UK he would become an atheist. If there was a sudden surge in social conservatism he would advocate for liberalism. He believes in nothing beyond holding unpopular opinions.
To be fair, I kind of get where Peter is coming from here. An utter drab of a "debate", or a "conversation", or whatever you want to call this. I would be bored off my noggin, if I had to sit there reiterate this sort of base level back and forth on a subject being trodden through many times, more articulately and with better prepared opiners on the issue. I am certainly not for legalization of harmful drugs as a policy myself, but that is neither here and there. The point here, is that Alex O' Connor really missed the mark and did not capitalize on an opportunity to have a fruitful and intellectually challenging conversation with one of the better pundits and political opiners of our time.
If anything could drive people to drink and drugs, it would be listening to Peter Hitchens.
I can’t stand the way he talks!!!
It’s pretentious and made worse by the whistling of his S’s.
I was smoking weed when watching this.
Pretentious arrogant toff
@@ellydian8145 i think you missed the point the interviewer was trying to make, in the portugese drug legalisation experiment "In the first five years after drug policy reform, use of illegal drugs rose slightly among the general population but fell again in the following five years" and that general crime declined during this period. Most likely making a correlation between criminalization leads to more crime. (Put simply). However it is likely imo we are certainly going to see an increase in crime here in the uk, but that will be more from an increased population, uncontrolled immigration, and conservative party that has destroyed the economy.
Alex not linking his book in the description is the best part😂😂
I live that the convo after Hitchens gets up more closely resembles a conversation that most people have when they talk about charged topics; a sort-of refreshing dose of reality.
He knew this was going to look bad for him. If I thought I was mistreated by an interviewer I would not have a problem with them airing it, unless I thought I also was at fault. His line about “don’t think you’ve bested me” was the most telling. He definitely felt bested.
100%. If I thought I was mistreated by an interviewer, I would be *demanding* it aired, not telling him not to. The ‘feeling bested’ comment was indeed extremely telling.
In my addled haze, I read "felt bested" as "self bested". He really did outdo himself!
@@PeteJohnMcGarveyyeah he was definitely bested. And I thought Alex was going soft here. Peter was very unprofessional here there would have been way better ways to move on from this topic than him standing up and doing 15 minutes of personal insults and a hissy fit
My thoughts exactly. That was a clear concession of defeat, even if he didn't intend it that way.
"I'm definitely not mad. Don't put in the papers that I'm mad" lol. Dril's tweets are useful so often
I love how he critiques your lack of self-awareness and then persists to be the most unself-aware person I have watched in an academic setting.
He is old enough that he is just being himself and not moderating for what other people think. He had his own presuppositions about the discussion.. He was getting annoyed and I think maybe the interviewer was oblivious to it 'cos the interviewer is just so relentless with his digging deep philosophically.. I don't think PH gave that many signs that he was getting annoyed, 'cos he always sounds annoyed!
Lazy criticism and not relevant
What was the location of the interview?
there was literally nothing but astonishment on Alex's face when he found out he was extremely boring. so I guess they're both self-unaware
@@bluemeriadoc Well, in fairness, Peter's replies could have sounded like he was interested! He didn't really sound bored. Alex might be boring to most people but not to his audience. Look at Chomsky, Chomsky has a huge audience despite being unbearably boring to any normal person or even abnormal person!
This is the most frustrating thing I've seen in a while. This man-child comes on your show and spends his energy complaining about how he has no influence on what happens in the world, that it's too late and we're just writing an obituary and blah blah blah. You handled this with way more grace and patience than I thought possible for a person to manage. If his writing is half as grinding as his interview, it's no wonder nobody wanted to read his book.
P.S. - I understand you invited Mr. Hitchens for an interview, not a debate. Two very different things.
An excerpt from a Guardian review of Hitchin's book: "His own instincts strike him as so self-evident that anyone who does not share them has to be dismissed with total contempt. If we are indeed surrounded by cultural ruin, then Hitchens is a fine specimen of it: one of those manic preachers who have been shouting so long that they can no longer hear any voice apart from their own." There is certainly no denying those words, now, is there?
Wow, the first sentence of that quote hit me hard! It perfectly summarizes the attitude of a person in my life who treats me like this. I’ve mostly concluded that I need to either stay away from this person or minimize my engagement with them on any topic of substance. What else can I do?
Cancer took the wrong Hitchens. Rational and thoughtful people around the world dearly miss Christopher, but few, if any, will miss Peter.
he's a fucking infant, nobody gives a shit about his tantrums. this video lays him bare as an utterly contemptuous piece of shit.
I like to take statements like this quote with a massive grain of salt, but it perfectly encapsulates Hitchin's attitude during this interview. Him talking about how one correlation is more likely to be causation than another one simply because it seems more reasonable to him is the perfect example.
look at what you've done, you've made me agree with something written by the guardian :p
I like how, even in spite of the disagreement, he still gave you the full hour he promised. 40 minutes of drug debate and 20 minutes of him throwing a hissy fit. The man cares about the algorithm
Truly, he was so boring for the first half that he decided he had to make up for it in the second, and he delivered
@@resir9807 In spades 😂
Even in the first 40 minutes the lesser Hitchins was rude, answering questions before they were finished, and misconstruing points made to him. I can see why he's not taken seriously
@@NR-py3to He turned hypocrisy into a form of art, really.
Anyone pointing that the rant started only 40 minutes in must be less sensitive than me, I raised my eyebrows at the derailment before the 30 minute mark of the video
I love that look on Alex's face at the end.
When you reach that point where you can no longer justify yourself, you succumbed to anger and violence.
The first thing that came out of his mouth was "so far, so good" when you thanked him for being a guest, so he was already in a bad mood for whatever reason.
I would like to have seen the pre-interview to observe if there was any malice between Peter and Alex.
He's always in a bad mood.
Thought so too but if there was any issues preinteview, he would have mentioned it in his rant
Defensive from the word go because he knows he can't hold an argument unlike his late lamented brother.
Probably fell down with his bike on the way
"I don't like you" "That's fine." Alex, you are literally the most agreeable person ever lol
Agreeable yes but mostly professional
That was cold blood as hell lol... But he is actively debating every guest in the most confrontation way. It seems very difficult to see how someone extremely agreeable would do that.
@@mathiasrennochaves3533 "...debating every guest in the most confrontation way." Hmmm are we talking about Alex O'connor ?
@@leoskyi wouldn't you say so? Point me in one interview that he didn't repeatedly challenged the beliefs of his guest even when he agreed with him.
@@mathiasrennochaves3533 playing devils advocate is not what I would call being confrontational. But I see what you mean now
I think Mr. Hitchens thought you had decided on an hour interview; 30 mins on drugs and 30 on religion. When the conversation on drugs went well past the 30 min mark, he perceived that he was being grilled about his view on drugs.
A perfect example that you can’t get on with everyone, sometimes they just take a disliking to you for no particular reason. Never lose sleep over such an encounter.
It’s amazing how Alex is able to keep his cool during Peter’s awful rant. He called him rude, incompetent and extremely dishonest. What a prat.
He was going around in circles on the drug subject. It was boring me as well. Interview a cranky old man and get a cranky old man. I find millennials irritating as well
You can tell his mindset was off going into the discussion with “so far, so good”. Utter git. 😂
@@MarcusCicero1if you watch closely, Alex didn't even get to the meat of the point he was trying to get across. I was listening to him try to cross examine the laws and the cultural shifts of something like tobacco and alcohol as well as marijuana. With all of the interruptions from Hitchens, Alex didn't even touch the subject that Hitchens FIRST brought up in his opening where he said that marijuana has correlation that enough damage us already done that is doesn't even need to be counted as a gateway drug. Which, as a viewer I was very curious on that challenge from Alex.
@@MarcusCicero1Alex is from gen z (he was born in 1999)
@@CommanderCodyChipless I thought Peter explained it quite well. That is the danger of Marijuana shouldn't be diminished by classifying it as a gate way drug. Hitchens certainly should have been more patient whith the interviewer but the older you get the less tolerant you get with stupidity, real or perceived,
Saying "you are rude" and "incompetent" in the same sentence one after the other while running away from simple question and talking over you when you try to explain yourself is just the best
All his arguments are begging the question, not to mention his ad hominems
@@marvinmallette6795 And it is, for what I feel is my accurate assessment, pretty rude.
@@marvinmallette679510:33
He's happy that big Pharma give our kids uppers and downers though.
I still miss Mr. Christopher Hitchens! he is the one & only Mr. Hitchens for me
“the political parties are immune to thought” say what you will about Peter but this was the most true and best line to this whole interview.
I simultaneously respect him for not making a much worse scene out of this, but also find his self entitledness and the whole tantrum ridiculous.
If my sole income consisted of getting 1 million dollars for any time Peter Hitchens ever says to anyone “I agree”, “You’re right” or “You have a point”, I would die in abject poverty.
Alex was such a weasel
@@user-os9ge2we2b Even if that were true, it would still be irrelevant to my point.
@@user-os9ge2we2b People questioning other people’s claims in a calm manner tend to have this supposedly “weasely” effect on those who blindly follow said other people.
One of the many virtues of @ClarkeMicah is he is not a fence-sitter or a lame-arsed liberal or "cuck-servative" as my 26yo son refers to fence-sitters and "oh yes you have a good point there" merchants. On drugs, few have better overall perspective than @ClarkeMicah, so AO'C's attempts to justify places where legalising or decriminalising have b een a "success" wi be pointless. To his credit AO'C has done a vid on Christopher Hitchens and his bullshittery that so many leftoid cream their jeans over...
@@user-os9ge2we2b Explain it then? Bet you wont
Love how he accused you of not listening to him while he interrupted and presumed the whole time. You are such a great example of patience and curiosity. Thank you!
Yes Hitchens did go over the top, but I actually understand why he got so angry over it. The subject hit a real nerve in him and you should appreciate that, rather than just calling him a loony. Now Alex has an interest in the subject because he is a drughead himself, but he KNOWS that Hitchens absolutely despises drugs and what they do to society. It was because of the decency of his manners that he stayed there for 45 mins enduring Alex interviewing him about drugs, waiting relentlessly for the topic to move on. Really, he would have much rather only spent 5-10 mins on it. No more than that. So I get how it frustrated him. Alex was just being relentless for him
I think Alex should have known better and not caused an elderly gentleman to become so aggravated over this crap. Hitchens is really bitter about the subject, because like he said, he highly regrets having wasted years of his life on it. Alex, having read his books, knew that and should been more respectful to him by swiftly moving on with the subject. He DEFINITELY shouldn't have tried to spend a whole hour on drugs with somebody who is so resentful against them. Just because Alex is a drughead, doesn't mean he should use Hitchen's time to make arguments for drugs and to try to convert more people to becoming drugheads. That's really what made Hitchens angry. I get it. It was insolent that his time was abused in that way by Alex for his own druggy motives.
I get the impression that to Peter, listening becomes equated with agreeing with him. At least in his head.
@@marioluigi9599”elderly gentleman” 🤓
@@marioluigi9599Alex told him the interview topics beforehand. Peter wrote an entire book about anti drugs, so clearly it’s a topic he wants to talk about. So it’s weird for you to say that Peter wouldn’t want to discuss this topic.
Alex, you were brilliant and so dang patient!! Peter was ridiculous!
It seems you got under, Peter Hitchen's extremely thin skin Alex. What an extraordinary extended outburst. Thanks for posting the Car Crash interview...
He did the exact thing to me! I read his book when it came out, asked him questions about it on Twitter, he - without ever having met me or ever engaged with me before - immediately told me I haven't read his book. Wanting to continue the conversation, I welcomed him to challenge me on his book by asking questions you'd only know if you had, to which he surprisingly agreed. He proceeded to ask question after question, each of which I answered (without him ever acknowledging, only moving on to the next). Then he asked an ambiguous question, which I responded to, he claimed that I was wrong, and blocked me as a result. He's a child.
Hitchens NEVER blocks on twitter. You are a liar.
Any chance you could share your twitter handle? I would love to see this conversation.
Well of course you didn't read his book! He is undoubtedly and objectively correct, so the only reason why someone might possibly disagree with him is either because they didn't hear his arguments, or they're too stupid to understand their correctness!
Hahahah that's so funny. 😂😂😂
@@arcticwolf6402 It didn't happen
Wow. Starting off with a cold "So far..so good" after being thanked for coming. He was coming into this with a clearly antagonistic attitude.
Exactly! Peter hitchens is a RUDE man.
Boy ! That even exhausted me !
I’m on Hitchens side. Every question was answered again and again until he was fed up. You basically tried to debate about drugs without being prepared and allowing for Hitchens to be prepared. This was a hard interview to watch.
Peter said "I don't like to be challanged". Pretty much sums it up.
I thought he said "I don't mind being challenged". I had a few relistens because it's not completely clear. The captions say "don't mind".
yeah maybe on a second listen you're right. He acted like he minded though :P
@@MrKlousseyeah I think that too, so does my auto captions thing
He seems rather challenged either way.
His remarks about not liking to be challenged reminded me o Eric Hitchmough, from the Coventry conference.
“My good nature was abused” WHAT? My jaw was absolutely dropped so many times at what he said about how good of a person he is after being unable to handle a simple conversation, getting angry at every turn, and hurling insults.
Classic narcissistic.
That man is clearly confused, since I'm still looking for his good nature that he has talked about.
Everyone here prefer Christopher?
And of course, he had to interrupt Alex at almost every word.
@@nerdtalkvanwilliams6227 Peter's way more honest and moral.
It’s fairly obvious that Alex was only continuing the drug conversation to begin a discussion regarding Peter’s personal ethics. He continually refused to allow the conversation to change course, even while getting angry about the continuation of the topic.
Votre patience vous honore.. beaucoup n'auraient pas tenu.
Repeatedly, loudly saying "you're being very rude to me" whilst simultaneously talking over you every time you even attempt to start speaking in reply for 15minutes straight, has to be some sort of attempt at the world record for irony.
And that was just his warm up "You've abused me" "It's a good sign of my self restraint that I haven't actually sworn at you" 🤡
@@resir9807 He isn't swearing in this heated moment? What a paragon of patience... oh wait, he's throwing a tantrum!
I can’t understand why a grown man like Peter wouldn’t just say “I’m bored of this topic and it isn’t going anywhere let’s move on to others” instead of having a temper tantrum and walking out. Wild.
Apparently he is not a grown man
Exactly, no problem complaining about that and moving on, it was the fact he spent nearly half the time that was spent on the topic itself having a temper tantrum about it.
Exactly. He could have just said, "I'm bored of this topic" and not have thrown a tantrum.
The thing is, he is never bored while he is listening to himself talking. At least while anyone else is also listening.
Exactly. It would've been so easy. Why wouldn't he do that?
A potentially very funny- definitely clarifying- montage of every time Peter interrupts Alex would go a long way to explaining what happened. Also how much of the "interview" ended up being a Peter monologue that Alex would sometimes briefly attempt to redirect to dialogue. There's a big difference between interjection- which Alex tried over and over to do... and interruptions which Peter insisted upon as the "standard" for the exchange. Tbf both Hitchens tend to do that, but while Christopher did so in order to introduce an argument that already correctly presupposes the incoming argument and provides an effective antithesis, his similar-sounding bro does so in order to be, as he would put it, "boring-" i.e., to make the same points repeatedly.
Come back to this for a laugh from time to time
He doesn't let you speak more than 3 words at once, talks about drugs for an hour, winds himself up in the process and then freaks out over having had to talk about drugs for an hour. This was painful to listen to and your patience is admirable
It was painful to listen to because of Alex's lines of questioning
The interview went off the rails when you greeted him and he responded, "so far, so good". He was looking for a fight.
Yes he was angry from the start
I absolutely agree. He was looking for it from the start. Pathetic.
I thought that at the out set also. I Disagree w Hitchens position on Weed/ Marijuana (No! Won't call it anything else) but, his response after the hour mark he is pretty much dead on.
He definitely showed he was apprehensive about something before they even started.
That's how he usually starts interviews
I wonder what the psychological effect of constant fear of arrest has on a drug addict. Step 1. Anxiety Step 2. Depression. Step 3. Personality disorder. This could have even worse impacts than the drug use itself.