Jordan Peterson on gambling and addiction
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Seriously, hats off to Peterson for admitting he doesn’t know enough about a subject to make a statement. How incredibly rare is that? He just gained + 10 respects.
Agree with you, not a fan of Peterson, but I wish everybody could debate the way he does.
Is that other dude a gambling lobbyist?
When I'm in the bookies, I see broke bums around me, homeless drug addicts, alcoholics, angry people in general, these are the results of mental breakdowns caused by gambling, I sometimes stop for 3 months'ish and when I get stressed and bored I end up back in the bookies, so it was all in the brain really, will power and a hobby are the 2 things you need to stop and get rid of it.
I hope you're getting on well with it
I can’t say it’s cause by gambling but it’s definitely wrapped up in gambling no doubt
Youe sacked
Your sacked
@@mukeshmakwana1321 " you're sacked " sorry I couldn't help my self . ..we cool 😊👍
“Is there any social good these machines can do?” Jordan please could you stay and be our next Prime Minister?
why ? he will only ask relevant questions, but still the answer is with the people's inteligence and choice of "good" like the bloke beside the show host
Dr. Peterson admits his lack of knowledge on a certain topic and therefore refuses to make a statement about it. Dr. Peterson is smart. Be like Dr. Peterson.
Gambling starts like most minor bad habits. Its severity happens slow. Like just drinking beers with friends and then someday find yourself drinking alone one time and you just dont take much notice. Months years later you drinking regularly byyourself to cope with things like anxiety and looneliness. Gambling seems harmless first and for most it is. But I wanted to find a system rhat works in time. I was after getting an edge and winning longterm. There is so many videos and forums about different systems and those with gambling problems surely already now. THERE IS NO LONGTERM UNBREAKABLE SYSTEM THAT GIVES YOU WINNING FOREVER. The games are created to make gamblers loose. The deeper you dig into this and the more experience and knowledge you get the more dangerous it can be when you think you are UNIQUE and can get an edge. THERE IS NO SYSTEM THAT WORKS FOREVER. Forget about an lasting edge.
Jordan peterson is always the smartest person in the room.
"Well, you can obviously control yourself" Savage put down by Peterson there.
“It brings fun to a lot of people”. I think you first need to question why your life is so meaningless and devoid of purpose that necessitates you needing to seek fun and pleasure in this way in this first place.
You're not wrong, that is a helpful thing to do. But it's an addiction like any other and it is proven to be genetic
In Australia we have awful societal, financial and health problems directly caused by poker machines. It’s terribly sad and disgusting it generates so much tax revenue for the state and federal governments. They’re addicted to the money it’s created off the backs of peoples misery. Not to mention it has decimated live music at your local pub. You’d be a fool to think they are a harmless fun thing.
Thank You Robin!
What I don't understand is how tobacco companies were banned from any public promotion of their damaging product, yet betting companies that rob people of millions are allowed to advertise in the largest UK sporting events for tens of millions to see
steal?? well show me one betting shop, agent ext that forces someone to Gamble!!?? just one will do
Clive Wilson Actually I said rob, which can be used to mean unjustly overcharging for a product or service. I consider a company that calculates its odds to ensure they never lose to be robbing in this sense.
+Alfred of Wessex cut the crap mate, we both know what you ment, point still stands, like drug users, nobody forces ppl to gamble and become addicted, bookies are a business at the end of the day employing people so of course they need to make a profit, doesn't stop me or you from winning if we pick the right bet.. so stop crying
Clive Wilson You just ignored everything I said. I never claimed anyone is being forced to gamble and I explained my use of the word 'rob'. My point was with regards to advertising, so would you like to see drugs being advertised on mainstream TV? I can picture it now: "Receive £20 free cocaine after your first £10 purchase". After all, drugs can be beneficial to some people just like gambling, right?
+Alfred of Wessex depends on what drug, cannabis for over 18s I would happily see advertised, it has cured many many people of cancers, eye problems, kids with ADHD, fits ext, the list is endless.. as for drugs such as cocaine, heroin then no I wouldn't like to see those advertised as they have no health benefit what so ever, pain killer applications maybe but not for recreational use. as for ignoring what you said, well your right because we both know you didn't mean rob as in the definition you said later, deni this all you like but you know you ment rob as in stealing people's money, so yes I did ignor what you said but only because it was utter horse crap and you know it
Most ppl commenting here do not know how bad these machines are! I know a lot of ppl who would never have gambled who are losing hundreds of pounds every few seconds. The difference with online gambling is that you have to wait 3 or 4 days to get your winnings (if you win) but with high street bookie its the thrill of trying to win quick cash when a computer is fixed to beat you every time!
Most people always talk. Peterson talks when he has something intelligent to say.
Here in Louisiana, we have casinos, lottery, video poker machines in donut shops, and online sports betting. And it’s out of control.
how come nobody told me Dr.JBP was in toon!!??
These are great Robin. Do you have the full episode. Anything with Jordan is pure gold.
jordan is a mug like you
@Si Go clean your room :) Come back when you want to have a rational debate. I'm happy to have one
have you seen jordans response to the jewish question LOL
I remember him chatting about it. What part did you disagree with?
his arse licking of them
Damn how did you get that dude to do your tags at the end 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Gambling is an intrinsic part of my culture.
It’s more important to look after people. And not always profit
I go by the view of no interference unless something is proven to be detrimental to society. Controlled gambling is fine, these machines, their locations and settings are clearly targetting certain people. Someone on £30k a year doesn't wander into a bookies at 2pm, they go to a proper casino. I fully support this change as i've helped those made suicidal by them.
Actually no, vast majority of people can't control it, or over time it starts to consume them to the point of no return.
Hard to fall anywhere on this, on one hand you want the market to be capable of doing what it likes and for people to do as they choose but on the other you'd like if these business weren't so directly utilising machines against people who are susceptible. To distinctively challenge the idea of this decision you need to understand the risk's and potential good of gambling in general: Does the enjoyment of gambling out weigh the bad? Depends who you ask... Someone who spends no time betting will ever feel the positives and enjoyment that can happen because of it and or experience the potential monetary winnings. In regards to the negative they will never lose money to this form of entertainment and certainly wont be gambling incredible amounts now or even in the future. Someone who spends every week gambling will more than likely lose more money than they gain on average as the industry wouldn't make money if it wasn't the case and depending on the individual they can be sucked into a downward spiral of dependency addiction through machines or betting. Gambling everything you have to make back losses you may or may not consider important would never be something anyone in your family would suggest but people should be free to make those choices... On the other side if you are cognitively sound and find yourself capable of managing your money you can experience the enjoyment and excitement of betting whilst on the off chance winning minor or significant amounts of money that can either do nothing or potentially change your life *However often never happening*. You get enjoyment out of the mere act of putting something on the line and being capable of making that decision knowing you wont get addicted means you are accepting any potential loss. Do we stop people like this being free to utilise their money in ways they wish to? It's hard to answer directly What could be said is that more options would be an obvious benefit, If anything is to be seen as progression it would be to have both restricted and unrestricted machines. This would then solidify the choice of the individual and let them experience more broadly what it is like to win and lose in different capacities. Questions that should really be considered for discussion: Is gambling unique entertainment? Are there lesser and lower damaging forms of gambling that can also generate wealth at the same rate as big money gambling? Does Banning certain forms of entertainment create extremes of said form of entertainment always? Will Banning certain forms of gambling create illegal forms of the same type? Will those illegal forms be utilised by a dangerous number of people? Do you lower the general risk of gambling for the sake of the majority but increase the potential risk of the minority in the case of good? My answer on the topic is to let the general public vote on any restriction, but only after alternatives have been tried E.G in the form of lower risk machines and NEW types of gambling machines that reinvent the form of gambling.
Gambling is a serious issue affects so many people ruins people and families puts people in jail its a brain disease and an addiction it was reclassified in dsm to addiction from a impulse control disorder. Sleep problems eye contact problems mood problems overeating alchol abuse and the list goes on
Addiction is an individual issue that should not and cannot be solved by the state.
Gambling is a business which takes advantage of peoples addictions and can ultimately leave those people reliant on the state where otherwise they wouldn't be. The normalisation, advertising and availability of gambling is something which can be solved by the state.
terrortorn By that logic, you should be prohibited by the state from eating junk food or drinking alcohol, both of which present externalities. This is an individual liberty issue. State prohibition of any consumer-demanded service does nothing but make the problem worse. Stop trying to solve social problems by pointing guns at people until they comply.
No you shouldn't. Gambling machines are deliberately designed with those addicted people in mind junk food is not and neither are alcohol beverages. Alcohol is not designed to keep people drinking alcohol and sugary foods are not designed to keep people eating. The "science" of the bookmaker is to keep people playing, keep people spending while queering the pitch heavily in the favour of the bookmaker always winning. It is a predatory industry that exists to take advantage of the frailties of the poorest in society and can bring a person down far quicker than alcohol, sugar or tobacco who in turn may require the support of the state to bring them back up.
You don't have a right to gamble. It is a business provision not a right. Eating is an actual bodily function and a requirement for life so is drinking whether sugar laden foods or alcoholic beverages, gambling money is not. Gambling has no necessary social function, no physical or emotional necessity it is a parasitic industry that deliberately targets and encourages those people most likely to never gain from it. It a non sequiter to compare it to food and drink so your basic premise is flawed and something that is actually stupid.
terrortorn I have a right to do with my time and money whatever I damn well please, so long as all parties involved are acting voluntarily. And should you try to stop me from doing as I please with my property and consenting collaborators, I have a right to repel your aggression with force. You have NO RIGHT to violently insinuate yourself into the voluntary associations of consenting adults. Your impulse is the exact same impulse that guided people like Hitler and Stalin.
Love Peterson here he says "I don't know enough to say" I say "not enough people fucking saying that".
When the fun starts whack in another tenner
Say what you will the presenter is really good at her job
It's THEIR money not big daddy govs
M Blake Jr I disagree. I think steps should be taken to prevent things, such as gambling addiction and the spread of gambling culture, that reduce individuals to ruin and greatly harm families.
It is an industry that preys on the hopeless and poorest to maintain a consistent customer base while simultaneously, in 99% of examples, giving nothing in return.
Big-dick Bret gambling addictions can end in homelessness. I agree we should tackle homelessness but 'muh limited government' isn't going to solve it anytime soon.
Big-dick Bret you've just retreated into libertarian talking points instead of addressing what I said. Outlawing gambling would do a world of good for society. Abstract concepts such as someone's 'right' to impoverish themselves and their family shouldn't take precedent over measures that could help thousands of people.
Schopenhauer it's for the same reason you don't have the 'right' to take opioids. Not only do you damage your own well being, you severely impact the lives of those around you in a negative way. It's not about what I deem appropriate or even you for that matter. Thousands of people are suffering needlessly at the hands of predatory gambling industries that incite false hope and rip people off. I wouldn't be in favour of banning video games because they simply don't cause the misery and suffering to people in the same scale as gambling. You also mentioned chocolate. Things like alcohol, sugary snacks and junk foods are too widely consumed and trying to ban them would cause more harm than good. I would certainly be in favour of campaigns that raise awareness of the negative health effects of consuming these things. Anti-smoking campaigns have proved very effective when sponsored by the state and I wouldn't mind seeing a similar thing happen with other vices and poisons.
A fool and his money are easily parted.
Such a dumb comment
Addiction doesn't care if your a fool or smart person
Isn't always the case in reality.
I thought this panel treated him pretty fairly, lots of videos saying he “destroyed them”. Didn’t seem like that type of a conversation
I don't usually support government bans, but with these gambling machines I'm in favour of it.
Videos like these convince me that Peterson is actually a socialist, his work is dedicated to help people with the flaws of capitalism. He agrees here that government should regulate gambling, but isn't this against his usual claims against virtue-signalling government?
I wish the government would just piss off, just let adults make their own shitty choices as free-thinking sentient beings. Is that to much to ask from the controlling matrons in No.10?
In this case these machines are dangerous. Families are being totally ruined because of them!
OpenMusic Look up Dan Ariely “Pain of paying” people aren’t perfectly rational and have computational difficulties with such things, increasing the level of choice people have to make in such decisions doesn’t seem to be a bad thing.
Dazza ManGlasgow, "In this case these machines are dangerous. Families are being totally ruined because of them!" 11 years ago a friend of mine killed himself huffing canned air. Should canned air be regulated too then? Just about anything on the face of this planet, in the hands of an idiot, can ruin families and destroy lives. Just watch your own 6 and stop trying to control other peoples lives.
Grimtooth, should heroin and crack cocaine be legal in your way of thinking?
They might as well be legal, I can't tell you how insanely easy it would be for me to score either ones of those substances. And last I checked alcohol is just as destructive and is 100% legal.
jolly good
You see that the gambling lobby is everywhere
lol the guy in the outro laughs like Idi Amin...
We should not Ban Coke just because a small amount cant handle them selfes to not drink to much.
YEAH RIGHT, gambling is not going anywhere but up, once they get ya hooked you are in for life.
I love the black man at the end. What a fun guy! NICE!
Dr. Peterson speaks at 2:14
ok, what the hell was that ending XDXD
Ban the casinos
Some people get into trouble with alcohol but nobody is banning it, because (I think) it's widely enjoyed reasonably sensibly. Things like gambling are not as commonly popular, so people are more inclined to swing the ban hammer. 'It doesn't affect me, so ban it because I've heard some horror stories'
1 in 4 gambling addicts kill themselves that's not a rumor it's fact. Highest suicide rate of any addiction
@@satchelyork You think that's a good reason to ban it?
People will just bet online or on the races. This won't fix anything
You think peoples freedoms should be abolished?
the problem gamblers didnt used to use the full £100 a spin
There are plenty of things that aren't necessarily "social goods" that should not be forcibly banned. Peterson should think a bit more deeply on this one. Just because something is seen as undesirable at worst or frivilous at best does not mean that men with guns should be charged with preventing you from doing it. That said, I appreciate his humility on the issue.
We don't need 6 bookmakers on the high street next door to one another anyway! Also the only game on these machines that is affected is roulette and blackjack as far as I'm aware the slots can still be bet at £2 a go which is currently what its at! Listen there must be a limit on these games because these machines are very very dangerous and if there wasnt a limit then why don't we have £200 a spin, £300 a spin, £500 a spin. You see what I mean, apparently its only fun?
Maybe you don't need to ban .. but look at the statistics of online players ... if they lose for example 3 months in a row ... they get automatically banned as a protection ... something like that ... so 3 months not would become 4 and 4 not 5 etc ... so maybe we need to look for decent criteria to tell when the loss of a gambler is really not a coincidence anymore, but something continuous and systematical .. and automatically ban this person from playing ... greetz from europe
Band the gambling ads
Its not the government's job to protect people from themselves.
You're obviously clueless about how they prey on those who are prone to addiction
They reduced the maximum bet, but still the game is so rigged, I have played many times and I know for a fact the result is based on the bet. I have had many times betting red/black and lose 5-10 times in a row, but can only remember only 1 time I won in a row. Not counting the 0s , so I know it is exactly 50-50, if 0 or 00 comes, I don't count it as a win or a loss for this exploration's sake. Rigged AF, not random, even though on the machine itself it says its random. Yeah, as if. Makes my blood boil, and I hope I never give them more of my money.
this dude name littlewood
So quick to defend gambling...Someone stinks of conflict of interest.
If smoking weed is illegal then gambling should be too
May4thbwithu why?
May4thbwithu Maybe we shouldn’t have other human beings telling us what we can’t do if you’re not harming anyone else.
Both should be legal, the only time something should be banned is when it infringes on the rights of others.
both should be legal, you shouldnt be dumb enough to gamble your money anf you equally shouldnt be dumb enough to sit on your arse all day smoking weed
Slavir Nabru is an example of why you're wrong Example number one guy smokes crack all day that has a lucrative income from property and doesn't need to work and quite comfortably afford to sit down and smoke crack all day and when he has a health problem related to his crack addiction he's paid for private health care and therefore is not causing a problem to society other than the fact he is Funding drug dealers Example number two a guy smokes crack all day and robs houses all night he has no legitimate income other than benefits when he gets arrested for committing a crime he Goes to Jail and cost the taxpayer a large sum of money then after a while a burglary goes wrong and he viciously assaults a homeowner after some more time he has health complications from his crack addiction has now takening a hospital bed in the NHS which could have been used to someone else and is costing the NHS money But making it illegal to indulge in smoking crack cocaine you have infringed the rights of example number one by your own Logic
Wouldn't these people who bet £100 every 20 secs just take the business online instead?
I won't lose any sleep over a few high-street bookies closing, because I do see games of chances as a plight on society. I'd rather government outlaw high-street bookies and turn gambling into a thriving black market industry. Thereafter, the government should keep out. If people want to enter the black market, then they don't have any excuses or complaint when they play a rigged game in an unregulated market. I could give fuck all then.
Have you ever considered rather than hiding behind the icon of an an actor playing robin hood, you have the balls to show your conservatism with a real picture and let people know what you stand for. Its all very well hiding behind the parapets but one that preaches should really be exposed to what they are putting out and its response.
They banned cigarette advertising and legalised advertising for gambling on TV now they wanna do shit about it why do you allow it to be advertised and supported by TV channels shit is mind fuck
The uk needs Jesus he is real and he is the lord you can talk to and have a fellowship with We need him in my home county of Yorkshire
I agree with almost everything JP says and I’m a so called liberal snowflake.
Yeah, I'm far-left and I agree with most of his ideas.
So a ban on gambling because it hurts the family? Why not ban alcohol at the same time. Just because some families suffer does not mean you can remove the option for everyone.
3:00 Insert "guns" whenever he or she says "machines" and you'll get the idea behind Democrat lobbied gun regulation.
what the hell is wrong with that ladies jaw
I doubt she even heard the answer Jordan Peterson gave.
Its even got wores should have left it how it was not that stuped green bar that s on now
Your lack of knowledge about slot machines just reinforces my suspicion of how stupid politicians are. Changing the amount you can play per spin does not help. The fact that you have limited the payout to 500 pounds makes it worse because people will still put thousands in, in order to try win 500. The investigation into the algorithms placed in them need to be scrutinized monthly . Your policies simply enrich the thieving companies. all slot machines should be banned. The gambling commission has failed the public. What needs to happen is a Boycott until they go bankrupt!!
The overwhelming majority of people gamble (lotto) etc.. ,but compulsive Gambling "disorder" only affects a small minority of people so "John and Mary" frankly don't give a f##k! Anyway the "first" place to start is Gambling advertising,but!! 💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰 it's about "ME ME ME" & "GREED"
Britain and gambling go together like Fish and Chips or crisps and beer. It's part of the culture, some people will always have the urge to self-destruct. Take away one means, they will find another. The government should stop meddling and lt people make their own bad choices.
Psychedelic drugs and gambling should all be banned and the laws enforced.
should magic mushrooms also be stopped from growing wild!?
To conflate the two is an indication to me that your announcement is made purely from a point of ignorance and prejudice. Psilocybin Mushrooms grow outside, how on Earth do you propose to "ban" the proliferation of a natural substance? They grow in the field next to my house for God's sake. You're a fool.
Magic mushrooms literally grow outside. How can you possibly ban a naturally growing substance
These two things are entirely unrelated.
This shit is fucking tedious.
Peterson is wrong on this one. We can't structure society around the weakest of society. Let the idiots who want to throw away all their money on gambling do so. It's voluntary.
It's called addiction for a reason.
Friend of mine with 2 kids threw himself in front of a train due to gambling losses and debt. But yeah fuck him, right? What a weakling!
Peterson, you can control your self