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#fallout4
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I think in many ways, Fallout 4 is one of Bethesda’s best games in terms of its gameplay loop. It’s frustrating though because I think the voiced protagonist really holds it back. I like Fallout 4 a lot though, I think it gets too much hate. Probably just because it’s a Bethesda game.
The voiced protag is funny.. It IS bad for telling an actual fallout story with a character that is ours and not theirs. But the one for Nate DID do a good job
@@OhNoTheFace what is an “actual fallout story”
I agree. It's hard for me to get into fallout 4 because of protagonist speaking. Literally everything else is solid tho.
It's not the voice protagonist that's holding it back. It's the Main writer and designer Emil Pagliarulo.
Nah all the sarcastic and silver shroud dialogues is only possible with voiced protagonist. Without it, the sarcastic lines just fall flat... One reason why the funny lines in Starfield ain't as funny
Every Fallout 4 dialogue > More info ? > Sarcastic [Yes] > Yes > No [Yes]
[Sarcatiscciacis]
I hate this dialogue system so damn much, jesus, take my tongue already at this point lol
At least FO4 doesn't look like shit. Doesn't play like shit. And isn't completely empty.
@@king_isshiki wtf are you talking about, fo4 is the emptiest fallout game to date and ran like hot garbage for the first two years after release
@@king_isshiki "doesnt play like shit" have you been downtown?
After playing BG3, I realized that Fallout 4 is an action RPG. After playing The Outer Worlds, I don’t get why charisma only determines dialogue options
Because with top-notch charisma, you have the ability to bs your way into anything.
@@DUNESDAY_ART in outer worlds, your other attributes play a role in gameplay AND dialogue options.
@@michelphilippe193 same with new vegas
@@michelphilippe193 As they do in Fallout 1, 2 and New Vegas.
The Outer Worlds, now that's a game i haven't heard in quite a while lmao.
This was actually my first fallout game at age 13 and i absolutely loved it, i remember building an entire village in sanctuary before even going to Concord.
I set up all the beds in the middle of the street and never went back bc fuck those mfs I wanted New Vegas 2. Stupid voiced protagonist I want good writing
That’s why FO4 now has alot of fans, new fans that never touched the better game’s out way before lol (or a real RPG maybe)
@@lorenzopiscosi9566 I played fo4 when it came out too, years later i tried nv and 3, both are dated games, their stories are good but they're insufferable to play with all the crashes and bugs. I'm certain in your time they were amazing, but if the first argument you make against fo4 is that people havent played the other games when they came out nothing else you have to defend the game with matters. If it was a matter of it being someone's first game because they're young and haven't played the previous installments fo76 would likely have had more players than fallout 4 does
@@lorenzopiscosi9566 Played 2, 3, NV and 4 when they came out. The main modding community left in NV back in the day was trying to make settlements and multiplayer. FO4 got settlements. The main character being able to actually rebuild the wasteland was a natural progression.
@@47ndrant42 previous games are far better, your zoomer brain just can't handle them
FNV > Fo3 > Fo4 in role play dept but if were talking gameplay I believe Fo4 is superior.
Oh yeah, absolutely. FNV got them big ideas and cool stories and settings galore, but Fallout 4 simply has the best gameplay hands down. It also has more gameplay mechanics, so no wonder it’s been a great modding base. I think that fallout 4 fails on a story and social commentary thing, because generally it’s just “nukes bad look at the Americans being scared of the color red” while NV has... I mean the main two factions are literally depictions of a flawed liberal democracy (NCR) and a fascist empire (Legion) and boy does it do a lot with the two. It also has Mr. House, which is a whole bag of worms. I’ll always prefer NV, that’s how it be, but fallout 4 just has the gameplay and mechanics. Modders get a playground. I could never finish fallout 3, idk what it’s like but I’ve heard it’s surprisingly linear
Fallout 3 is the best fnv story is ass
Fallout 3 does a lot better than New vegas, World building/environment, some of the most iconic locations in the series like republic of dave, andale, arefu, tenpenny tower, oasis, evergreen mills, the metro tunnels, rivet city, to name a few. New vegas world can be quite barren in contrast. But it could Be considered more of an rpg. They both do what they do excellently well, so your preference will come down to what it is you look for in a fallout game.
You mean gunplay and loot FO4's RPG mechanics are much worse than FO3 and FNV. Fallout is supposed to be a RPG first and foremost and FO4 is definitely the worst in that aspect. I would like this game way more if it were a spin off game, tbh.
@@Clarkamadorian "more gameplay mechanics" It literally removed Skills and Traits, and no vehicles to drive like the Highwayman.
I'll never apologize for my love of Fallout 4 but that dialogue mod does NOT fix the dialogue. The dialogue in that game can only be fixed with a huge rewrite, even if it keeps the same story beats after said rewrite. As well as getting the VA's back for re shoots
"father, father!" Shaun said urgently
@@KindofBradAtThis mate did you fr just say fo4 looks like it came out this year?.. cmon man don’t be dishonest. It was literally panned at launch for outdated graphics and gameplay. Not sure how old you are but I remember when that first trailer dropped and everyone was like ‘wtf is this? Pixar playdoh adventures??’ Have you seen super mutants, ghouls and any item of clothing in game?.. everything looks like it’s made of cake. Nothing looks real. That’s not an art choice it’s just bad. Some things in game look really good, some look laughably bad. Do you seriously not remember everyone comparing Witcher 3 and Arkham knight to fo4? Arkham knight looks like it came out this year, fo4 looks like it came out in 2009. But Bethesda games have always had bad graphics. That was never their appeal (mods came in clutch for that). The gunplay of fo4 is just bad. It’s bad gunplay. Yes, it’s better than fo3, but obviously it is. Fo3 has some of the worst shooting in any FPS. Fo4 has marginally better shooting and relies so heavily on it for some crazy reason. A kick in the face is ‘better’ than a kick in the nuts, but neither are great. Far cry 2, a game from nearly 10 years prior to fo4, has better shooting. Fo4 has hitscan, ugly af ridiculous left hand weapons, no proper recoil or ballistic based projectile bullets. It fails as a competent shooter. And again, don’t be dishonest, fallout 4 is a straight up looter shooter. It’s not an RPG. Leveling up doesn’t make a game an RPG. Every location is a shooting gallery of bullet sponge enemies with nothing interesting to reward the player. Oh, a gun that’s exactly the same as every other version of said gun but it has a funny name and number go up? Wow, great. 11 unique items in fo4.. how insane is that. Bethesdas ethos for progression is just ‘number go up’. That’s boring. Give me a unique unique.
@@Yan-tz9pn yes I've seen a lot of new players say "fallout 4 looks great for an 8 year old game!" no tf it does not, look at assasin's creed unity, alan wake, GTA V, all games that look better than the best visual mods for fallout 4, and they all came out way before before FO4 even released. Fallout 4's graphics are comparable to those of Bioshock 2, a 2010 game.
@@Yan-tz9pnget a life, getting a random KZheadr to read a whole book you wrote in their comments whining to the void shouldn’t be that important to you…
@@Yan-tz9pn TL;DR
I am pretty sure the main reason fallout 4 was disliked is because it was following up New Vegas which had such great storytelling and rpg elements. These elements are in fallout 4 but less so as the game focused more on being a crazy ass looter shooter. Both games are good, they just focus on different elements.
plus the graphics make it look cartoonish and goofy as well as way to clean for a wasteland. plus its infuriating choosing dialogue from one word. the story was alright.
@joshmiller9783 I agree about the graphics looking cartoony (and tbh they really aren't that much better than 3/NV in retrospect), but there is absolutely no reason a person in Boston wouldn't have picked up a broom in 200 years lol.
@@ColinAYB id say fnv and three were better graphics due only to how dark and gritty it made things feel. i remember being scared in both but never once in 4. i mean i can see them cleaning up their cities but the entire wasteland? idk it all just seemed to clean to me. also the whole not being able to be evil was annoying, at most you could be an asshole where in 3 you can wipe out an entire town or use the ghouls to wreak havoc on tenpenny tower. will say though no iron sights in 3 really irks me haha.
I played 4 before ever even thinking about new vegas and I still hated it, without mods its just mediocre
@joshmiller9783 Oh I agree, when I say better I'm talking about the literal resolution and graphical fidelity. Aesthetically speaking 3 and New Vegas are a lot more in line with the older games and fit the setting better imo. I don't think 4 looks super clean, per se, I think it's more that they focused on using such ridiculously bright colors for the base of the textures before adding whatever weathering or rust on top of it. Either way I agree it doesn't look great, though.
The slow backing up from Kellogg while holding a fatman is so real
Personally I like the voiced protagomist. What sucks are the dialogue options that doesnt really hit at what's going to be said. Yes, yes but no, yes but sarcastic and no gives you no clue as to what they'll say.
What sucks ever worse than that is you really aren't choosing anything at all, except 3 options to the exact same outcome and 1 persuade option if you're lucky. It's incredibly lazy and if the voiced protagonist was really the reason for that then wow what a dumb choice. They actually think we want to hear a guy's voice rather than have the fleshed out experience we've come to expect from Fallout.
@@TheMightyGoldenWest its just lazy writing. There's no reason why voice would affect the dialogue.
@@TheMightyGoldenWest The mass effect style dialogue options & the voiced PT honestly was a huge turn-off. It doesn't matter how I make my character, I'm stuck sounding like the same generic Boston white guy w/ a son to worry about. Part of the joy of all the other fallouts was getting to decide who your character was through actions you took in-game, and while that's still possible in FO4, you don't get to do it with the same freedom you had in FO3 & FONV. You are *ALWAYS* someone who lived pre-war, you're always someone who got married & had a kid, and you're always someone who got into a vault. Yes, the same is true for FO3, you are born as a vault dweller, and the same is true for FO1. But, you still have total freedom over who your character *IS*. You aren't born married to another character or with the voice of a wisened old man or a shrill youthful fiend, details that regularly ruin my immersion while playing FO4 as a specific kind of character. In FO4, it doesn't matter if I'm trying to play my character as a junkie. I will always sound like a perfectly average person from boston, with the same voice every playthrough unless I play a female character, even then I'm locked into the same problem but for the opposite sex. It's frustrating. I know how appealing voiced PTs are ordinarily but FO games have a history of a voiceless PT. For me at least, it serves to let me better roleplay in my roleplaying game.
It screws over modders trying to make quests and removes a ton of possible content sense it all has to be voiced
@@ahealthkit2745 100%, totally agree with all you said. It's a shame.
Just wanted to point out, Harold is an FEV mutant and not a ghoul. Otherwise, 4 is my favorite and as someone who bought 1 when it was brand new, I love how it has evolved. And I look forward to what 5 eventually brings.
Harold was a Mutant who identified as a Ghoul, that also became a Tree god that wants to die.
@@renaigh lol fr our boy been put through it
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Both games have their strengths and weaknesses. I personally just find that Fallout: NV does the stuff better that I am looking for in an RPG. Fallout 4 just isn't my cup of tea. Also, might be just me, but I've only ever played New Vegas unmodded. In my experience, unmodded New Vegas was a much more pleasant experience than unmodded Fallout 4. In my 200 hours of playtime, I've only ever crashed twice, while in Fallout 4, the long loading screen alone forced me to get a mod halfway through the playthrough. I find it very important to judge a game by what is in the box, while the mods are an important part of the appeal of Bethesda games. Including them in reviews and saying that they could fix issues is the perfect way to end up with more games that need mods to fix them.
With the modding comment, I touch on it a bit the various starfield digs throughout the video but acknowledging a games modding community as part of its value, especially 9 years after release isn’t a crazy thing imo. I reject the idea that it means the devs release a lower quality game and cross their fingers the community fixes it, look at starfield as a prime example. The base game was bad so there’s barely any modding community. Good modders don’t develop around bad base games! As always really appreciate comments like these!
@@KindofBradAtThis gg
A fellow vanilla NV player? How do you do?
You probably play a console version of New Vegas, it's a lot more stable. It's how I first played it too, but on PC the Viva New Vegas mod list is a must, otherwise alt-tabbing breaks the game and it being limited to 2GB of RAM causes crashes after playing for too long.
@@KindofBradAtThis I loathe Starfield but your comment comparing the modding scenes is a bit premature considering Starfield hasn't yet got the creation kit.
FO4 is by far my favorite of the Bethesda/Obsidian games.
It’s not an obsidian game
Theres no way you played Fallout 1 & 2 and believe 4 was made from the same template.
Gauntlet of Opinion has been thrown. does he acknowledge or take it as a challenge?
My only question is: how does one play Fallout 1 & 2? Nothing I have will run them.
@@keithsavagelivesyou can run Fallout 1&2 on a toaster. GoG or Steam and any Mac/Windows computer that came out after 1995 can run it. You don't even need a graphics card. I've gotten it working on my phone before.
@@AmishArmyX I tried to play it on my Windows 7 machine, didn't even load. I will keep trying. Maybe my phone will do it! Thanks.
he didn't
Fallout 4 biggest problem is the story AND the dialogue options. Just let me kill everyone i want, let me be an asshole. Sometimes we just want to see the virtual world burn.
Yeah they really went backwards after fonv. "This player is frickin heckin unconscious"
I would argue that even the gameplay has its many faults.
"Let me kill everyone I encounter so I can then go online and complain how the story sucks." Dude what you're looking fir is a shooter not a rpg
@@DininDalael the RPG are Role play games. If I can only role play a good guy then it's just another story game.
@@Gengarextreme You can still roleplay a buy guy (well to some point) you just can't kill everyone. The point is, for a game to have a story, some NPC have to be unkillable
If you are replaying now because of the show, and are one of the freaks who own Fallout 4 in VR like me, I highly reccomend the Gingas Vr essentials pack. It brings the game kicking and screaming into a playable state. You can see the clothes and armor you wear on your real body now, vats become a slow motion bullet time that helps you line up your shots irl, the darker nights aren't just a dark computer moniter, YOU'RE IN COMPLETE DARKNESS with only a flashlight, you feel your neck strain as you look up to see how tall that broken highway, skyscraper, or legendary behemoth really is, massive objects flying around you with real 3d weight and proportions, looting is more engaging as you lean under and around counters, you crouch in real life to sneak and take cover, you can inspect the art and see the true proportions of the open world like never before, and adjusting your aim is no longer just hitting vats or the flick of a mouse, you have to physically turn your body as fast as you can panic to make sure that feral ghoul doesn't make that last hit. Granted there's some jank you have to put up with, you need a pretty beefy pc, and reloading is done with a button instead of physically, but if you're looking into replaying this game today and have the pc and vr headset to go with it. I can't reccomend it enough. Plus you'll probably be thankful you spent that 40 hour playthrough being active shooting and slicing stuff rather than just sitting down. I hope this convinces at least one person to give it a try!
I’ll try it out this weekend!
I'm still hoping they'll bring FO4 to PSVR2. That would make me happy forever.
@@huwguyver4208 I'm hoping they bring it to the ps2 eye toy and the sega game gear
Hey just a question I haven’t been able to find an answer to. If I install Fallout 4 VR is it possible to play any old the story mods that are available or is it strictly vanilla? Cause I was thinking of maybe doing an ultimate playthrough. Falloyt 4 VR with most good story mods and some tweak mods and going wild but I really don’t know if it’s possible
VR in Fallout/Skyrim VR are both just one more .esm file. Anything like story and quest mods will work perfectly fine in VR.@@angelos6827
Kingdom come deliverance is the gold standard for what a voiced, concrete player character should be. They went full send in making that character have their own personality. Imagine if Nate’s military background was more prevalent, he could be more cold and calculating when talking about combat, or he could start saying shit like “Hostile down,” “Reminds me of Canada,” etc after an encounter. He could have a quest line turning a settlement’s/faction’s army from a raving band of randoms to a proper, disciplined, standing army. You should either full send in characterizing a main character, or minimize characterization to provide a blank slate. Not the half, vague, open ended thing I think fo4 has.
Good ideas, bad executions. BUGthesda's development ideology 101. Plenty of potential was with F4, but they hired the wrong people to create such a world.
@@JADEK111 nah i wouldn't blame the team that worked on 4, its obviously the management's fault. map, shooting, some side quests, dungeon design, art in general are all pretty good.
@@Timsturbs It's almost always the management's fault, but year after a year giving a hand to such ideology, makes the devs no better than the managers/publishers/shareholders.
Kingdom come was to on rails to be a true rpg and the voice acting was always considered sub par what planet you from
10:58 I can just imagine the horror and confusion on scavengers passing through a cleared raider camp and wonering why everything that isnt nailed down is gone and why every single body left is completely naked.
“Wh-why is everyone naked”
People don't enjoy Fallout 4 for the same reasons they enjoy FNV. People enjoy 4 for the gameplay, the improved shooting, the base building and the graphics. I enjoy FNV for the intricate story, the beautifully crafted world and amazing atmosphere.
I wish for Fallout 4: New Vegas to retain the same experience as the OG FNV. As long as BUGthesda won't do something again to prevent that...
I played both NV and fallout 4 and found 4 to be superior in just about every way. I personally love the voiced protagonist and the customization options + overall look/feel of fo4.
Ive always thought 4 had a much better physical world and lived up to boston irl. NV's world felt pretty hollow without the writing to back it up. But yea, a happy middleground between the two games would tick all the boxes. each is the other's opposite.
look brother i am in the FNV fans camp but calling the mojave "beautifully crafted" is just flat out wrong.
New Vegas is an action RPG. Fallout 4 just feels like an action game. No real RPG systems
Game is a classic…hits different when you live in Massachusetts too 😂
I just wish we had the ultimate Fallout game that would have the best out of every game in the series.
Well for that to happen fans will have to agree on what is best out of every game. And some fans would have to admit that Bethesda’s Fallout does indeed have some redeeming qualities.
Ive been blown away by this game, the dynamic gameplay, all the systems that you have total control of, the customization, not to mention the lore and all the different stories within the fallout universe. Its awesome
It’s ass
Be me > Play fallout 4 > Destroy whole factions > Deathclaws walk in
Oh boy, don't let Creetosis see this video
Pissing shitting and quaking rn
@@KindofBradAtThis12 hour video
The combat feels like a huge jump and improvement from Fallout 3 and New Vegas. Also, I swear in the next-gen update version of Fallout 4 on PS5 that the enemies' AI has been improved/fixed and is more aggressive: It seems harder to bait them into running into mines you set. One of the Raiders in Concord at the beginning of the game killed me by suddenly rushing at me and chucking a molotov cocktail at me one-shoting giving me zero time to react. Super Mutants at a construction site pinned me behind a construction vehicle and very quickly crippling my limbs. These may sound like complaints. They are not. This is good.
I WAS JUST TALKING TO A FRIEND ABOUT THIS Ever since getting the black devil armor the guys that ambush you feel like guerrilla warriors
@@KindofBradAtThis I started a new game and just reached level 10 by the time I got to that power armor. The first place I teleported after heading to the Sanctuary Red Rocket station to repair the armor after being assulted by the Enclave with my best weapon being the double barrel shotgun. The first place I teleported to. I was like: Why am I on fire? I realized I was being assaulted by an Enclave Hellfire soldier with a Heavy Incinerator and 3 Enclave officers with plasma pistols. Keep in mind that I was only armed with a low-upgraded shotgun, the 10mm pistol, pipe guns, and a bladed tire iron and somehow killed them and survived. When I got to the Enclave Field Camp, I bombarded them with the piggy bank launcher. I am dreading those damn assault robots. Or those robots with a damn machine guns that can kill you in second outside power armor. To be fair, I did not know that the quest was for that late game power armor until I read notes mentioning it. I was thinking: It's been easy so far. I may as well finish it. 0_0
@@ajflink >New game >Level 10 >Already has Power Armor >Easily beats late game quest involving Enclave And this is why I dislike Fallout 4, the game makes you feel like a god way too early on, I know Bethesda games aren't supposed to be challenging, but in Fallout 4 it feels like the game holds your hand way too much in the early game, I mean they literally give you power armor and a minigun at the very start of the game ffs. In New Vegas you couldn't even leave Goodsprings from the north because you were almost guaranteed to get killed to Cazadores.
@@Yuyam12 Firstly, the minigun is a very useless weapon unless you have 1000s of bullets for it. Secondly, I never claimed this was easy. I died a lot trying to complete the quest and had a lot of fun doing it. You can still get one-shot while in the power armor. I mentioned the piggy bank launcher because I got one-shot by a piggy bank bomb at full health in Hellfire power armor. Thirdly, you get ambushed very easily if you blindly wander around. Plus, you use the grenade launcher that you get immediately upon starting the game on the "complete" version of New Vegas making the Cazadors a joke as you can cripple them and then kill them more easily.
@@ajflink The problem with handing player a minigun right at the start is its damage has to be low or else it will be overpowered. New Vegas handles the problem by just not handing you a minigun at the start, thus allowing it to be powerful in the late game. Same with power armor, that's why fusion cores drain so fast. As for the stuff New Vegas gives you off the start... *fair,* which is why I run Viva New Vegas extended, which doesn't give you those weapons off the start. A better implementation would've been a minor quest to find them, or maybe having an option to select a background that pertains to those items.
Nice opinion but the best fallout game is fallout 2
I agree on some aspects (gameplay and environments are great) but frankly the lack of dialogue options (often what you select is wildly different than what your character actually says) and the limited options of dealing with all the factions in the wasteland really hold the game back
SARCASM: Yeah I really like the dialogue options in previous games when you have sometimes ONE "option" and the exposition dialogue instead of being on the 🔼key is layed out but has as much dialogue. NO SARCASM: Really if you look at the FACTS Fallout 4 has the most dialogue lines out of all Fallout games PERIOD. Unlike what stupid memes are saying you DO have different options abd decisions in dialogue - literally directly outside of Concord there is a small quests that gives you the options - 1. Negotiate a truce between a drug dealer and a family 2. Rob the drug dealer and scare him off 3. Kill the drug dealer 4. Kill the family And in the dialogue you are introduced to what Jet is and to the addiction mechanic, who these people are, why they are argueing, what they are selling and Wolfgang reacts to you wearing or not wearing a Vault Jumpsuit or Power Armor. It's literally one of the first quests you can do and it already proves you wrong. And don't act as if it's the only one. If we look at quests like Diamond City Blues they have even more options for the player. But yeah if you only do radiant Minutemen quests you can get a false impression
@@funki4896 a lot of the convos with one option are very simple dialogues that don’t need more than one option in the older games. For more meaningful quests/side quests there’s a lot more freedom of choice for how you approach conversation. Oh, and having unique dialogue options for having certain skill checks which FO4 doesn’t have outside of speech.
@@SuperColtsrock11 why do so many fans think of the skill system as indesputably good? It is never even questioned. I think it's outdated and belongs to where it comes from Fallout 1 skills -> GURPS -> table top D&D. The skills weren't really removed in Fallout 4 - some of them were reworked into perks and hidden variables that are influenced by gear/a special stat like Sneak instead of being a visible unimmersive number is now a hidden variable governed by Agility, the perk, clothing, lighting, movement and aid items. In Fallout New Vegas you can have 1 Agility but 100 sneak while in Fallout 4 you need tons of additional items to master sneaking and at least a reasonable 3 Agility. Making lockpicking into a perk is genius as the percentages between 25 and 50 are basically meaningless anyway so why not make these into perk ranks? The skill checks are gone? That's horrible because now your build does not make some actions impossible. And at the same time: it's horrible how you as the player cannot do anything - that's completely contradictory but that's what New Vegas preachers say anyway. For example if you want to enter Kellogg's house Fallout 4 gives you *NINE* different possibilities: 1. Use the Lockpick perk and a bobby pin while Tumblers today and the 4th rank of the Lockpick perk can make it easier. If your Lockpick rank is not high enough you could still steal the key from the mayors safe or his secretary's desk. 2. Steal the key from the mayor or his secretary. 3. Hack the computer of the mayor to open his safe. The difficulty of hacking is tied to your Intelligence stat and Hacker perk plus to whether you have Valentine's perk. All of the above is also tied to sneaking. 4. Speech solutions - you can convince either the mayor or his secretary into giving you the key - you need to pass a speech challenge the difficulty of which is tied to your Charisma, the Black Widow/Lady Killer perk and the SCAV! magazine issue #1. 5. You can bribe them too requiring caps. 6. Bring Cait with you - she can lockpick the door. 7. Complete the first Automatron quest and build an automatron with a lockpick gadget - he can open any door for you. 8. Combat solution - kill the Mayor or his secratary in any way you can imagine and loot the key off their corpses. 9. Be prepared by progressing Mama Murphy's quest - she will help you find Kellogg's key which has fallen beneath his appartement. Really the only options they could have added is using force by breaking the door open or using explosives. And maybe you could hire a robber to get the key or pick the lock. Apart from that they really implemented anything imaginable. So the devs gave the player a ton of different options to solve a single stage of a quest without needing to have some weird numbers in brackets in dialogue or some weird numbers in the pipboy that don't mean anything - what do you think does a player rather understand? "Locksmith rank 2 - lets you pick expert locks" or "Locksmith [57]" what feels more immersive to you? I really don't see how New Vegas' skill system could have handled the situation better. Not to mention that your companions react to your decision unlike in FNV.
@@funki4896 I don’t have the time or energy to write a significant response to this so I’ll just say I’m glad you enjoy FO4. I liked it well enough my first playthrough but it’s too shallow for me to playthrough again. Have a good one
@@funki4896 Yes no huh? and sarcasm are not a lot more lmao. Old games had like 4-10 per line in the convo, 4 has 2-4 (i don't consider the same line in a different tone with no effect unique). 4 has more lines ONLY in that there is potentially more between different characters, which is obvious given the map is larger and the game has more characters. And, by the way, Quantity does not equal quality and does not excuse the shitty dialogue system
I'm resisting the urge to type a novel here, so I'm just gonna respectfully disagree with almost everything you said My main problem with the game is that it feels like 2 completely different games for welded together and there's so much dissonance between them. Also the story blows idk what you mean. It has a couple good moments, but most of it's just bad and has very little player choice, which is the real thing that defines fallout imo
The problem with the dialog system is far more Fundamental than just how it controls. The problem with the dialog is that over half of the dialog in the game is the protagist, so theres almost no depth to talking to everybody. Your options are Sarcastic (yes but also a joke) Yes No (yes) Maybe a question How is anybody okay with that in your rpg? Good luck being evil or doing a pacifist run
@@brodieorr5393 It all makes sense when you realize the game is 8 years old and this is many kids' first RPG
@@sneedclavehere8918 yeah that's kind of the conclusion I've come to as well. The people who really like fallout 4 either aren't "hardcore rpg" fans or are new to the genre entirely Not to say that more simplistic rpgs are bad, it just sucks to see it from a franchise that was famous for being quite the opposite
People when some people play games to enjoy its gameplay and not its story 😢
5:39 nah man you trippin
Player's choices: Yes No (yes) Maybe later? (yes) Sarcasm (yes)
Yes Sarcastic No Yes (later) No (Yes)
100% agree with you. Their games have little to no meaningful decisions except for whichever main faction you choose.
For me the problem with F4 is this, . It's kinda like they dumbed down the series by limiting choices. Going to the stream of low quality bad writting games that are released year by year. But still this game is very enjoyable if you try to not care too much for this aspect.
My man bro was trippin the whole video
The issue is that the factions are just soulless and ....boring. Boring is the worst thing a faction can be.
Good points. It seems they need better AI and motivation goals in how that impacts their actions, movements, and reactions, even for mundane things like making ammo, or getting food, or fighting back.
They have no depth, like at all. They don't hold a candle compared to NV factions.
Bro, im gonna stop comparing to New Vegas and switch to Morrowind, just compare the factions in that game to this shit, same studio guys, SAME STUDIO
-shows up -"the parodies of American ideologies are bad" -refuses to elaborate
also, none of them really represent any ideas beyond the thinnest surface to scratch at. the institute like science and... not much else. the brotherhood are racists and love tech... and not much else. the railroad help free synths... and not much else. and trying to list any of the beliefs of the minutemen is like trying to explain the unique flavor of stale white bread. really, no factions have a coherent ideology regarding how the wasteland should be run, and really only have an idea on how they operate internally at most. the fact that people still argue about the factions of FNV while people only ever acknowledge the factions of FO4 to meme on them says more than enough about their quality.
Honestly all we need is a game with fallout 4s combat and gameplay loop intergrated with the storywriting, depth and roleplaying capabilities of NV, made by a game studio that doesn't use a buggy outdated engine that relies heavily on modders and we may have one of THE greatest games of this era.
i absolutely love siding with the minutemen and making the settlements war bases and or huge trade settlements
Fallout deserves to be written by someone else besides Emil "you-can't-criticize-me-anymore" Pagliarulo
Yes, honestly. That's my biggest problem with the game. Other than the fact that they got rid of almost all of the player choice (probably also because Emil can't manage it) The institute is the most nonsensical convoluted faction I've seen in a long time, and the brotherhood's opinion on them makes no sense either Memorable moments does not make a good story. Bethesda is great at making memorable moments, but really bad at writing coherent stories
leave Emil alone you obsessive little creep.
@@renaigh No, Emil is one of the most incompetent hacks in the gaming industry and i like shitting on his work because that's all its good for. Cry about it you little shill.
@@brodieorr5393 Emil should've sticked to writing side quests like he used to, and let other writers or more specifically the writer of Far Harbor handle the main story.
It's like he's a writer specifically for COD action set-pieces, he wants a scene to have certain things regardless of whether it makes sense or negative consequences, like giving the player Power Armor and a Minigun at the start of the game and nerfed the minigun to balance it around that specific sequence.
Thank you! Ive played ever main line fallout game (haven’t beaten 1 or 2 because they are just harder to enjoy) and while I agree 3 and NV are both treasures, 4 is my favorite for all the reasons you highlighted. I played NV probably even more than 4 since i didn’t pick up 4 until I was an adult, but neither 3 or NV ever had that feeling of immersion i found in 4. And as a father, the story was mind shattering. I loved it every inch as much as NV but more so since it hit such a personal note. Glad you shared this opinion because i feel it gets drowned out too often
Sim Settlements 2 is for real the best mod for Fallout 4. Try it out, y'all!
It has an amazing story, much better than the main story, but the building of HQ is a deal breaker. Unnecessarily complicated which means I can't be bothered progressing the story.
@@UteChewb idk I've found much more immersive and seamless than the vanilla settlement management/building. What about it wasn't to your liking??
@@jackDaddy23 the whole HQ build at the GNN building. I thought it was just me, so I went on the Sim Settlements 2 forum and I'm not the only one. The whole point of the mod is to make settlements easier and more interesting, and up until HQ it did that brilliantly, and the story was amazing. Then at HQ you have a complex list of things you have to do and a minimal UI. It just didn't work for me, it became tedious and frustrating, the reverse of a game. Because I couldn't do the HQ I couldn't conclude chapter 2 and progress to 3.
@@UteChewb oh snap that's my next quest, uh oh...
@@jackDaddy23 maybe there is something that I just didn't understand. You may fare better. 🤞
Everyone trashing on fo4 is making me want to make a video
Me a month ago
Mood.
I have this exact same feeling every time I play 4 until I get past Kellogg, then everything I hated about the game smacks me all at once and I remember why I drop it every time. They dropped the ball hard on the writing after that, and it seems like the only side quests they really bothered to flesh out were the ones referencing Lovecraft. The RPG complaints aren't limited to the protagonist's background, either. The skill progression system being dumbed down is a complaint people had about Skyrim, too, and they doubled down on it for Fallout 4. Compared to previous games your choices also feel pretty inconsequential. There were also a lot of us that couldn't care less about the settlement system, we were wondering why we had to be the ones to do it when there have been people in the Commonwealth for 210 years at that point. Fallout was never about being a looter shooter to a lot of people so the emphasis on mindless hoarding was jarring.
To be fair it was because of the Institute which stopped building progress however I can understand but I love building so you get more out of it if you like rebuild however i do think there could have been a option were settlers build basic housing if you refuse to help them.
@jonathancunningham8739 I'mma be honest, that's not a good enough lore reason for me to personally handwave it away lol. It's the exact same thing they said about the Capital Wasteland in 3, they just swapped out the Vault 87 super mutants with Institute super mutants.
@@ColinAYB For you, yes. Objectively, it's logical and good.
@king_isshiki It's just a repeated excuse to keep the wasteland in a state of arrested development because Bethesda doesn't know how to progress stories in sequels. If humanity actually shows some of the ingenuity and ability to progress that we've demonstrated for millenia then it's hard for them to write yet another fish out of water story about a vault dweller saving the wasteland a week after leaving the vault for the first time.
Not to mention that the first six months post release where a shit-show. I had my save deleted as I finished the game the first time because of a common glitch corrupting save files at the time. Settlements weren't even really operational for the first week, just toying with the system caused immeasurable lag and/or crashed your game.
TBH I love Fallout 4 more than Skyrim. Just something about being able to build up civilization again after the war that just hits the right spot. Add the right mods and I can spend days just tweaking my settlements and running odd jobs around the commonwealth. Just feels like it's easier to ignore the Search for Sean than it is to ignore being the Dragonborn.
When there isn't any other games to play, I always return to FO4. I love building settlements and most of all after completing Vault 88 missions, turn it into my Man-Cave. I really like that the game doesn't end after the main mission is complete. My favorite place to go to is Nuka World. When I play I turn off all the music, I'm all about atmosphere and this game has plenty of it. The Commonwealth (creaking of the metal from the ruined buildings and the sound of distant gunfire), Far Harbor (crashing of the surf), Nuka World (the somber winds blowing through the valley). All of it helps me with immersion. Liked and Subbed
2:44 My brudda in christ unironically said Borderlands is an rpg 💀. Like I said in my previous comment, I love borderlands its a fun looter shooter... a LOOTER SHOOTEr, NOT an rpg. Having skill tree is not the only part of an rpg, and I hate this g00fy aah trend of boiling down rpgs to just "skill trees", because again, why do you play FNV over borderlands? because one has something other doesnt, they're completely different products, ones a looter shooter other an rpg. Both can exist but dont pretend they're same, Fallout fans want an RPG. Also another issue with F4 is that its just not fun looter shooter like borderlands, if u look at average B2 build over F4 one youll be blown away, they're SO fun and dynamic in borderlands 2, pre sequel, 3, and F4 doesnt even compare. 6:49 Two contradictory statements, Ive yet to see a Skyrim player who also praised FNV and ESPECIALLY vise versa, which makes sense, Skyrim ALSO dumbed down rpg elements, morrowind to this day is still best elder scrolls game and most FNV enjoyers share this same opinion, not all ofc, but most. And most Skyrim falls will always bend over backwards to defend F3 and F4 and crap on FNV 17:17 THEY DID. But im glad you atleast sort of backpeddling in the end and admitting that F4 is bad rpg, in a round about way. It just sucks how, not just fallout, but MANY video game franchises are sterilised or dumbed down for "muh broader audience" who CARES about popularity, idc how many of us fallout fans are, I just want GOOD PRODUCT, not even saying rpg at this point, I would gladly take borderlands but with fallout aethetics over what we actually got from F4, because atleast in this alternative timeline where F4 is more like borderlands, atleast the game would be fun and have SOME gameplay worth playing and replaying, because sorry, COLLECTING TRASH isnt F U N, theres SO Many of these god damn junk collector games, Fallout didnt have to be that game, its tiresome how Fallout franchise for bethesda is just endless slob of shanty towns and junk junk junk. It was ACTUALLY cool seeing how society progress in fallout 2 and NV. And it was also fun seeing gameplay also evolve from 1 to 2 and nv, but instead of learning from this, bethesda dumbed down all rpg elements of F3(which were already dumbed down) and made F4 as generic as possible to capture that broad audience. Ok mini rant over, you can keep enjoying F4, just stop pretending F4 is an rpg, let alone good rpg, if you dont care about roleplaying elements, FINE, but stop gaslighting actual rpg fans into thinking somehow F4 isnt an insult to rpg genre and fallout franchise. *sigh* Man, it sucks to think that FNV might be the last good fallout game, if F4 is accepted as an rpg then bethesda can keep dumbing it down more and more, forever...
At least no one’s complaining about Wayne Gretzky Hockey being there
@@KindofBradAtThis ignore people like this its better for your mental health. their like actually insane.
@@amymorgan886 How did you reply so fast? I just left the comment, I can understand video author replying fast due to yt notifications but you are an anomaly. Anyway, don't see how complaining about something makes you insane. I'm mostly in the minority in a sense that most F1,2,NV enjoyers gave up trying to talk with Bethesda fanboys, I was just leaving a comment in frustration for fun, you know, it sometimes helps to vent off like that 😅.
@@KindofBradAtThis Who? Good on you for being chill about my comment but I don't get your comment
@@danielsurvivor1372 im a fast typer, apologies I just dislike it when fallout fans get pissy at other fallout fans for liking different things . im a fallout 1 fan personally i dont think any game in the series matches it but thats just my opinion much like how the person who made this video enjoys fo4. games are subjective and tbh genres themselfs are subjective. i had a lovely conversation with my game design professor on the definition of genres, what is and what isn't X. metroidvainas for instance, or immersive sims. do you consider the witcher a rpg? what about the legend of zelda? both are commonly viewed as rpgs but lack elements many consider very important. is stalker a rpg? what about a game like hexen 2? that game blurs the lines between many different genres. It's all subjective to your personal tastes. I must apologize for my grammer and spelling I suffer from dyslexia and sometimes its hard to read or type
I first played it on the ps4 when it first came out and I just downloaded it on series x to try the new update and yeah I agree, I’m having a lot of fun. The fast load times, 60 fps and 4k make it really immersive and despite dialogue lacking, the exploration, looting and gunplay is well done.
Normally not a fan of these fast paced videos, but I like your positivity and crazy passion. Subbed!
Been loving my return to Fallout 4 with Survival Mode livestreams on my channel. Having such a blast! If you love real hardcore survival games and Fallout, you’ve GOT to try it. Makes everything so much more meaningful. Takes NV’s hardcore mode and amplifies it so well 👌
I recently started playing it, and it's swiftly become one of my favorite games, especially to mod to death. it takes everything I liked about skyrim, and pressure-molds it into a sci-fi genre with awesome guns, awesome factions (legion of steel fanboy over here lol), and awesome companions. I bricked a save with mods, cut back on them, and then turned right around and made a new save because I wanted to experience the game and mods legit. Heck, the other day, I recruited 20 random NPCs, put them in 40K space marine power armor, and basically steamrolled the whole city for giggles, and it was unironically the most fun I had all week.
Nate's background isn't the issue for me and what I imagine were most fans of the OG Fallouts and Fallout NV. It was HOW you can *express* Nate's background in F4 that's the issue for me. I personally think he has a cool background, but Fallout 4 is absolutely allergic to allowing players to flesh Nate out in dialogue. You brought up playing Nate as a cool wasteland cowboy or other things, but the dialogue functionally can't reflect that or any other backstory besides "where is son, I am sarcastic, I am neutral, etc.." Sans a few conversation in the main story, Nate lacks any unique opinions or agency - Nate is merely a vehicle for the machinations of four poorly written factions. Fallout 4 took the worst, most shallow aspects of Skyrim's dialogue and roleplaying and shoved it into a Fallout frame.
I’d definitely say replay the game and other fallout games cause aside from the originals, none of them give the level of freedom you’re describing outside the players imagination! The meme of fo4 being yes, no, yes(sarcastic) is true but the same is true for other fallout games. Almost EVERY interaction is yes, no, snarky remark, tell me your backstory, leave convo. The issue is fo4 having Nate/nora voices is it more easily pulls you out of that RP, but I’d argue even then going down various paths of the factions, giving your reasons for why you act the way you are to characters etc really does flesh out your character!
Definitely agree with the Skyrim to fallout RPG simplification line of thought though! Skyrim is awesome but it’s as wide as an ocean deep as a puddle
@@KindofBradAtThisi feel like we played different games entirely. Fallout new vegas has so many dialogue options to express your character's background/skills and learn more about the character or the matter at hand. There are also a few ways to solve problems although that's just standard for rpgs. For example, if you want to, you can convince Chris Haversam that he's not a ghoul and that the ghouls have been tricking him. He can either help them or sabotage them out of pettiness. I think one of my favorite parts of the dialogue in new vegas is how, if you pass a barter check of 50 with Dean Domino, it will be impossible to not kill him/make peace. It's so incredibly fitting for such an egotistical character.
@@KindofBradAtThisuh have you actually played new vegas?
The Factions are not poorly written.
Great points and insights about "identity" in a slightly quirky way, and nice summary. Did you play the updated Fallout 4, or the old Fallout 4? That could make a difference in experience. On the matter of Fallout 76 there are some pros and cons, some concerns of lore, and room for major improvements, but it can quite interesting. Also, true multiplayer is a great experience. However, in a review for Fallout 76 it may take a very long time for you to get a sense of many storylines and subtle aspects, and to cope with some jarring issues that impact some aspects of immersion. It (Fallout 76) has many moving pieces, and options, such as whether to play with Fallout 1st or without, which can create a largely different experience and set of struggles in the game. The developers of the Fallout 76 and of the Fallout Videos (2024 - Amazon Prime) should review both fans' suggestions, comments and also your video about insights for overall focus and improvements. By listening to critics and fans, the developers (in theory) can get a better focus on what can continue to help in the quality, plausible lore, entertainment and immersion.
Regarding Fallout 76: I originally held the opinion that fallout 76 was a mid game and did little to expand the lore. But then, with a few of my friends, I started to play the game again on a new character and began to play the story. And in doing so, I found that it was quite fun. I played many quests, went roving with my buddies in the fallout world, discussed our theories and wonders on the fallout universe, and just had an overall great time. It’s necessary that, to have a good experience playing fallout 76, you need to be playing with friends and actually doing quests and following stories, rather than simply wandering around shooting enemies and picking up loot. Shooting the shit with the fellas on a Saturday afternoon and questing on fallout is as close as one can practically come to allowing the “dude, what if fallout was multiplayer!” dream to come into fruition.
On the matter of Fallout 76 there are some pros and cons, some concerns of lore, and room for major improvements, but it can quite interesting. Also, true multiplayer is a great experience. However, in a review for Fallout 76 it may take a very long time for you to get a sense of many storylines and subtle aspects, and to cope with some jarring issues that impact some aspects of immersion. It (Fallout 76) has many moving pieces, and options, such as whether to play with Fallout 1st or without, which can create a largely different experience and set of struggles in the game. The developers of the Fallout 76 and of the Fallout Videos (2024 - Amazon Prime) should review both fans' suggestions, comments and also your video about insights for overall focus and improvements. By listening to critics and fans, the developers (in theory) can get a better focus on what can continue to help in the quality, plausible lore, entertainment and immersion.
I don't often use the settlement building outside of giving settlements food water and some turrets. Or using Ocdecorator to spoof up my player home settlement. But i gotta say adding an upstairs to red rocket to store my power armor was very satisfying will probably build more now.
I live in downtown Boston right now and going through my first FO4 playthrough right now is such a cool experience. For my long-run days, I run around the Southie loop and go around the Minuteman Castle - same with the Charles River esplanade with the half shell auditorium. I tracked down where my apartment is IRL and say a skeleton slouched over a desk next to a terminal - and that was by far the most meta gaming moment of all time lol I like what you said about the whole identity theme, especially the Railroad and its significance to the real Railroad of the civil war. In a lot of ways, FO4’s railroad procedure of creating new identifies for synths was sort of how the Boston railroad worked - a mix of lawyers, wealthy donors & supporters, and partisan resistance members just like the FO4 faction. I also think that the Minutemen faction embodies a very “Massachusetts” vibe.
Thank you for sharing this, that perspective so interesting to hear, it reminds me of people who live in LA finding it easier to travel in GTA V! Sorry to hear you die after the bombs drop though, that sucks
when discussing rpg elements you discuss different combat options which is true but man i feel like you are underestimating how important dialogue choices are . i have created tons and tons of unique and distinct characters with different voices (in my head) but in fallout 4 it’s just the same guy but good, sarcastic (good) and evil. so even tho the gunplay is so much better than 3 and Nv, i’ve always returned to the latter 2
also i hate essential npcs and that could basically be fallout 4’s second name
Cause I (clearly unfairly) assumed we all operated with the same definition of RPG. “A role-playing game (sometimes spelled roleplaying game,[1][2] or abbreviated as RPG) is a game in which players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting. Players take responsibility for acting out these roles within a narrative, either through literal acting or through a process of structured decision-making regarding character development.”
@@KindofBradAtThis no worries i like seeing different takes and im never gonna trash someone for liking a game. i think rpgs are one of those genres where it’s like a slider and it’s all opinion, on one end pure dnd (without prepurchased campaign) and the other jrpgs with linear stories and everything gets messy bc it’s entirely subjective where on that line you prefer. i personally prefer more DND type stuff bc im a huge nerd lmao, but i instantly subscribed bc your editing and commentary were still great and i like people enjoying things, have a good one man! sorry people are going so hard on you
@@KindofBradAtThisI find the distinction between playing a role, and developing a role through choices to be an integral distinction. A role playing game is always going to lean on one side of that spectrum or the other. Where fallout 4 fails is that it tries to be both without fully committed to either. Fallout nv is clearly about you playing the role of the courier who needs to find the platinum chip and decide the fate of new Vegas, but it never tells you how the story is supposed to go. You have no moral obligation to find the chip or hunt down Benny or do anything related to the opening cutscene. You’re a true blank slate and so it’s pretty effortless to play the role of the courier as yourself. It’s so obvious that the just shoot you in the head and give you amnesia to start the game. They want the protagonist to be you, not the other way around. The role you play is that of someone who wasn’t meant to have the power to change the world exploring the wasteland as well as themselves by examining how their choices impact the wasteland. Fallout 4 doesn’t allow for very much of that at all. In fallout 4 you’re made to play a role that is very much distinct from you as a player. You’re immediately given a moral obligation to complete the main quest line and a backstory as a patriot and soldier. From there, your exploration tends to amount to you being a murdering psychopath farting around for a while and stumbling into silly sci fi tropes. Fallout 4 is still a role playing game, but as it goes on it’s very clear that you are playing a role that is not dynamic. You’re not encouraged or even allowed to change as a character throughout the course of a play through. Liking fallout 4’s story really relies on you enjoying the Bethesda gameplay loop and being happy to ignore the plot while you’re having fun shooting stuff. fallout 4 simply doesn’t offer the depth that new Vegas does with its writing. It will occasionally throw a trolley problem at you but your choices either won’t have very significant consequences or won’t align with what you as a person would like to do. It feels cheap, and it makes you feel like you’re choices are meaningless. Fallout 4 is just as much of a role playing game as fallout new Vegas, they are both firm denizens of that genre. That doesn’t mean fallout 4 even comes close to new Vegas as a piece of interactive storytelling. Where fallout 4 gives you power armor and weapons and cosmetics that you want to use, new Vegas provides a world that you want to engage with on a deeper level. I’ve never been a big reader, if something doesn’t hold my interest well enough I’m very good at getting distracted. In my experience with Bethesda games, I have never finished a book or data log entry by virtue of getting bored too quick. New Vegas had me reading like I was in grade school and they were offering free slices of pizza for finishing a book. I wanted to read just for the satisfaction of learning something about the world and know how it reinforces the main themes of the game. I’m clearly biased as fuck, but I have plenty of reasons to never play fallout 4 again whereas I never need an excuse to go back to new Vegas. Damn, maybe I should go make an 8 hour response to this video. Or a diss track, we shall see.
@@4dbagel945 I completely agree with what you say, but you know damn well he ain't gonna read that 😂
Previous games were better rpgs. The action was better in 4. I think the story is the worst part and have more fun ignoring the main story after Kellog. Too much is lazy railroading into restricted choices. My celebration of 4 is ENTIRELY the gunplay
Truest take in the whole smouldering comments section.
The gunplay was made by Id Software, at Bethesda request for help.
@@CZOM027 Yup. It doesn't change that the action is better in FO4, for sure though. And Bethesda could've easily released remastered FONV & FO3 by now if they really wanted to, they just have their studio busy pumping out the next borderline AI-generated open world game in their pipeline.
@@ahealthkit2745 The action, debatable, the npcs are braindead. The remaster isn't even in their hands for NV.
The ONLY problem for me in Fallout 4 is the fact that we have voice on the protagonists cuz that limits by ALOT the apeech options, besides that, i love that game tbh. ❤
I LOVE that clip of the mini nuke barely missing him. I'm gonna disagree with you on durability though, that and jamming makes combat interesting.
That’s completely fair, I find overly realistic stuff like that a bit too finicky for myself but I see why other people could love it!
Nobody had to tell me Fallout 4 is bad, I experienced it on my own. First off its a bad RPG, the fact that you consider borderlands and red dead redemption rpg's shows your lack of experience with the genre. -The skill system is a dumbed down version of the previous games, the SPECIAL stats you pick at the start of the game don't even matter because if you want to change them at any point you are free to do so whenever you level up. They also got rid of traits and skills, and replaced the who system with an unintuitive perk system. -The dialogue options are horrible and don't put you down different paths, and the voiced protagonist really hinders the immersion. -Choices don't really matter in this game. There are way to many "essential characters" that you can't kill. -The story is uninspired, in F3 you search for your dad, here you search for your son. It's a rehashed story that not a lot of people can resonate with. F1, F2, and NV didn't have these problems. Also nobody has ever said that your character needs to be a blank slate in an rpg, the problem occurs when you overdevelop the character too much and it leaves very little room for you to decide the fate of your character on your own. -The factions are also boring, the morality of each faction is too black and white, and it hardly provides the player with any meaningful decision making. Honestly its a poor RPG because bethesda wants to turn it into a shooting galary.
I forget about F3, but I know NV had the intense training perk to increase special stats, though your point still stands because you get perks less often, and usually it's more worth it to take an actual perk. The main problem with FO4's protagonist is that there is a backstory, but then it doesn't affect the rest of the game. Essentially the opening gave you an interesting character, but then most of the game plays as if you have a blank slate. For example, imagine if Nate could've taught the Minutemen pre-war military tactics, or if Nora could've run for Diamond City Mayor. Also the world itself isn't all that immersive, after 210 years you'd expect more advanced civilizations
@@zhop951Yeah Fallout 2 (not sure about F1) has a perk to increase special stats, but with how slow you level up and considering you only get a perk every 3 levels, there are much better perks to choose from, making it not an easy decision unlike F4 which gives you a perk every level.
Read Dead Redemption is *objectively* a role playing game... You can be pedantic all you want, but at least don't make a clown out of yourself immediately. The lack of role playing depth does not mean it isn't one. Fallout 4 also has a shitload of choices you can make. Just because it gates a few doesn't mean it's devoid of them entirely.
@@ThefamousMrcroissant I believe your being pedantic. What about RDR makes it objectively an RPG? You're playing a predefined character John Marston with no choice making and only 1 ending. Where are the role playing elements in that?
@@ThefamousMrcroissant The definition of an RPG is a very fuzzy thing, personally I won't consider something an RPG if the gameplay is the same every run. Building a character is a core part of an RPG for me. Also FO4's choices often don't feel consequential, in 3/4 of endings you nuke the Institute, the 4 dialogue options usually boil down to "Yes" "Yes (Sarcastically)" "Question" or "No (Yes)" and you can't sequence break or kill important NPCs like NV allows and even prepared for.
My biggest complaint about Fallout 4 is that the guns are so damn ugly that their mere existence is a sin. It's like nobody modeling the guns knew what a gun looked like.
Moreover, as per BUGthesda's usual twisted approach and misunderstanding of the Fallout lore, they break their own consistency when it comes to the weapons department, but I think they never intended to put more work on it. The vanilla weapons are lackluster, bland, boring, ugly...
too bad it’s impossible to change that. if only there was a massive and dedicated community of folks that work tirelessly to modify nearly every aspect of the game to fit just about any personal preference… oh well, one can dream.
@@zinkbomb353 you're obviously sarcastic but that's not the point when criticizing a game with its vanilla content.
@@JADEK111a 9 year old game that has had mod support for years… but ok.
@@zinkbomb353 You keep missing the point which went over your head.
It's a step up from 3 when it comes to player choice, especially with the different factions. It looks like Bethesda attempted to do something like New Vegas but didn't have the writing talent to do it as well. It's a good game with flaws but isn't terrible by any means. The actual gameplay is better than New Vegas, but I think for some people who aren't engaged with the narrative, that just isn't enough for them. Another problem with the game is that it was rushed to meet a deadline, which affected things like the weapon variety, like in the case of the assault rifle being a repurposed LMG for power armor because they didn't get around to making an actual assault rifle. There are a couple of other copy-pasted weapon models as well. Some of this is fixed with mods but if you aren't into the narrative there isn't much that can be done about that outside of mods that just create an entirely new game.
my introduction to this genre was fallout 4. i couldn't figure out what to do so i was roaming the woods in a raiders sack mast with the breathing tube, no cloths, just my whitey tides and a shotgun. yeah, I scared the hell out of people as I killed everything and everyone I came across.
Wish you said something about Survival Mode disabling fast travel. Makes settlement management sucy a hassle
Ya boi hates survival games so I wasn’t gonna speak on the mode I didn’t played
@@KindofBradAtThis muh legendary weapons
I get the complaints about the voiced protagonist, but It's always been one of things I like the most about fallout 4. I like immersion in my games and a character that doesn't speak but NPC still respond to isn't what I would call immersive.
Absolutely fantastic video. I may be biased since Fo4 was the first Fallout game that I played, but it's easily my favorite. You nailed all the points that I've always brought up when people bash on 4. It's certainly not perfect, and Fo3 and NV are great games as well, but Fo4 is just such a smoother and more in-depth gaming experience by far. You actually feel like you're playing a real human person with moveable arms and legs, and you feel like that scrap you find is actually worth your time to pick up, and the map feels so much more alive because you can't go very far without running into a camp of friendly settlers or hostile raiders. It's a great game that doesn't deserve a fraction of the hate it gets simply because it's not another New Vegas. I'm glad I stumbled upon your video. I've been seeing more people talk positively about 4 lately and it's nice to see someone finally making a video about it!
This comment genuinely just made my day Mr sloppy Joe
Expect an eight hour video from Creetosis.
You don't know what the definition of a masterpiece do you? it also doesn't help that you misconstrued a lot of arguments against this game.
People when other people have differing opinions and not everything in life is black and white 😢
I definitely think the main story is silly, but it's enjoyably silly in my opinion. The core game itself is still fun and there's some legitimately well written side quests at times.
It's just a lure to get you to explore more of the Wasteland and get led astray. Being led astray is the whole point of the game.
I love Fallout 4 It's my favorite one, With another Year or 2 It could have been undeniably the best. I love the story, but I think it's WAY too short. and Maybe a little under-baked. But that's why I'm learning to Make Mods.
The way they tried to reinvent the leveling & leveled enemy progression along with a voiced protagonist + a weird antagonist that cannot really articulate their point really sour everything that clicked with fallout 4. You're right about the overarching story and has beautiful moments in the game but the very notion of "Why" clearly wasn't a well-regarded talking point among the writers. I hate to say if you lack X you're not a fallout however in this case each mainline Fallout has had an antagonist who believes they have a solution to fix the initial statement of "War never changes". Shaun could've been a lot more like the master desiring what was essentially a better humanity only this time something that is a lot harder to argue against compared to FEV abominations, instead we get some vague statements that allude to a more maniacal Dick Richard ideologies which would be fine albeit repetitive if it wasn't as vague and all over the place as it is presented in 4. ALSO it's A GURPS Post Nuclear Adventure not a whatever the fuck 4's doing :---p the companions are amazing! Definitely mod in Cait for my nv/ttw playthroughs. Give me DT and DR at the same time and give me bullet types! 4 is absolutely more unstable than NV, I dare you walk into Boston CBD on a ps4!
just because you can mod a problem out of fallout 4 doesn't mean we should just excuse the base game for having the issue in the first place
Then that same principle should apply to fallout 3 and New Vegas as well. Fallout New Vegas is incredibly buggy. It crashes all the time. There’s the notorious Doc Mitchel head spin glitch which he showed for half a second in the video. I had three playthroughs end because of save corruption. All of this is fixed by patches made by modders. Clearly not an A+ product out of the box
@@tjbrody The counter argument being that Obsidian did try to make major fixes after release, and had barely 18 months to staple the product together in the first place, whilst Bethesda had literally years and still produced jank to a similar degree. The fact Obsidian managed to get manual reloading in New Vegas, and Bethesda couldn't even bother to try and add it to Fallout 4 says a lot on its own.
@@DisorderedFleshAutomata-sm8cd vanilla New Vegas still crashes to this day, and they never fixed the head spinning. You’re acting like Obsidian patched out all the bugs but Bethesda didn’t, which didn’t happen.
Thank you. Finally someone who says the same as me and mentioning the biggest downside of modding BUGthedsa games. People are forgetting that, despite the existence of official modding tools that extends the longevity of these games, none of them are an excuse for the fact BUGthesda are repeating the same formula of creating a lackluster base game that has not too much to offer with its vanilla content, let alone the lack of plenty of QoL features.
@@tjbrody Uh, no, that's not what he said. BUGthesda put Obsidian in rather harsh time constraints, that had them rush the game out of the oven before it was well cooked. No dev company is perfect, but Obsidian was way more faithful to the game.
Fallout 4 will always hold a special place in my heart being that it was the first Fallout game that I played and I loved it, every minute of it. If it wasn't for FO4 I feel I never would've had the itch to play the other games in the franchise. Fallout 3 was a great game as well as FNV, I loved them all and I feel each one of them hold their own weight in the franchise that we've all come to love. Just take the one you like and enjoy the experience!! 🙂
👆🏻👆🏻 bread man gets it
Played this when it 1st dropped I woulda doubted you if you told me fallout was gonna be mainstream one day back then
I just hit level 40 on my first ever play through of Fo4. Best game I have played in years. ❤
"you're not smart for chosing to not enjoy something" thank you
Anytime
JUST LET PEOPLE HECKIN ENJOY THINGS!!- brad the redditor
@@sixmillionisimpossible thanks for the gold kind stranger
And what if you can't necessarily enjoy something that has its core created in a broken way?
@@KindofBradAtThis I don't think anyone choses to not enjoy something?
I only have 4500 hours in this game so I'm not sure if it's good or not... I probably need more time to find out.
That doesn't prove anything. You can have millions of hours in a single game and that won't change the reality of the core problems said game still bares after many years.
@@JADEK111 Prove? It proves I like the game, which is what I was going for... I mod TF out of this game, this game started my passion for 3D modeling (because I wanted it to look better). It does what I need it to do. Also, I modded out those core problems, they do not exist in my game.
@@robertkolb2288 And yet, irrelevant. My point was that, while using mods obviously makes the experience different and better (to some extant), after the 20+ years that BUGthesda exists, the people there never learned from their mistakes through one title after another. You're making your personal experience better by installing mods that do the very same job that the devs declined to do. The latest "next gen" update proved that they are still incapable of that. Why do you need a mod that fixes over 1000 bugs? It's very sad. So, like I said, you can reach 10k hours, and you can still have fun. That won't change the reality of the twisted development philosophy BUGthesda never moved on from, and the shortsighted ethical approach to marketing their games as a whole. I personally have almost 800 hours in Fallout 4, and though I also play only with mods (because vanilla just sucks), I can have my fun, but I won't change my negative perspective towards a game company that does fuck all to actually make their games work without relying on modders to do that.
@@JADEK111 I'm not in disagreement with you at all about Bethesda, I can't stand a lot of things they do, and yeah, its fucked that modders have to fix the games, but the fact that we CAN fix the games is part of why I like them. There are very few companies who make their games in a way that the community can so easily access and alter. I have tried to mod many different games from other developers and the amount of Nasa level tech that requires like 5 years to learn for each game is ridiculous. I wanted to mod Horizon Zero Dawn because Aloy is butt ugly, but accessing the files to even get the model to Blender was a fucking nightmare, let alone putting the new model back in the game. I create things, I am an artist in so many fields, but I'm hardly a programmer, Code is not my strong suit. The Creation Engine gives me an entry level to something I am passionate about. So, when I say I only have 4500 hours in this game and I need more time to see If its good, "I am making it good". I need more time to develop my skills, I need more time to see my projects come to fruition. The fact that throughout that 4500 hours I have enjoyed my journey IS relevant.
Took me out that randomly from 14:00 you go on to have a really interesting view on the meaning of the story.
Have to flex that English degree every now and then
Um…no…you are completely wrong sir, stop taking free swag from Bethesda and taste reality with us
💀you think I’d be taking 2 months an upload if devs were paying me
Damn this man does it for free lmao
@@KindofBradAtThis well your video must be a resume to go work for their PR team then :D
At least he gets views
@@TigburtJones I mean yeah that's what ragebait is meant to do
THANK YOU ,i although im biased fo4 gets too much hate , it was my first fallout game and ik nv is better in certain aspects but since its a newer game more new fans will likely take it up
It’s better they pick this up than it’s inbred cousin 76
Saw the description, you and bethesda really both screaming give me money
It's a good GAME, but it's not a good FALLOUT. Which doesn't mean Fallout fans can't enjoy Fallout 4. You just need to hide your Fallout 1 and 2 into your pocket and accept that nothing after Fallout 2 is canon and it's just Bethesda fanfiction. Maybe NV can pass because some original creators were involved, but it's still not the same. Still, you can still enjoy Fallout 4.
While the Power Armor does make you feel like Iron Man. The shitty part is that it doesn't last that long. Even though fusion cores should last in those things a lot longer. Sure you can level up perks to make it last longer but it really isn't enough.
The game kinda throws power cores at you though, I’m level 14 rn and I got like 10-15 cores at any given time
@@KindofBradAtThis I've got about 4 💀💀💀
@@FatalityPWN get exploring!!
Make 4 water purifiers and say goodbye to power core problems. I'm at 40 now with 68 cores in reserve, and using power armor since the beginning of this playthrough.
@@tfdrago I'm still semi early after playing since playing it at launch all those years ago. I still think the next game should just change the fusion core system entirely.
honestly the gameplay is great, given a few bumps here n there (unique weapons don't actually feel unique and that pisses me off >:[ ), but the writing and dialogue really let this game down like the preset character is a fine idea, and giving them a voice isn't a bad idea at all, it's just that bethesda really dropped the ball with the dialogue system being vague and boiling down to yes, no (yes) question and quip (which to be fair can be pretty funny) and most of the faction quests are a big letdown, especially the minutemen - like how did they not include a questline where you retake quincy?? don't even get me started on the artstyle, like visually the game does look amazing for a 9 year old game but the design is such a massive leap from 3 that it doesn't feel like the same world
Fallout 4 is the definition of RPG. It may not be typical Bethesda, but does that make it bad? NO. People judge to easily. To that one guy who said "This guy thinks that RDR2 is an RPG. I rest my case.", wake it up. RDR2 doesn't have as many ROLE PLAYING elements as games like NV, but it is an RPG. RPG contains more than roleplay stories. It also contains gameplay, design, and tone you take. RDR2: Can you roleplay through gameplay in the expansive open world? Yes. Can you design Arthur to look different and appeal to a certain idea? Yes. Can you change the tone of not only the story, but the gameplay? YES. Same with Fallout 4, but it has MORE of these RPG elements. IT ALL DEPENDS ON PERSPECTIVE. From one side, nothing under NV style is an RPG. From another nothing under RDR2 is an RPG. You can have an opinion on something, but be logical- and give credit where it is due. (Nerd rage activated)
haven't finished the intro yet, already agree.
Fo4 was Amazing 👏 I feel bad for people that didn't play it because of the NV naysayers
Man those NV diehard fans are insufferable. They are reddit personified by making it their entire personality and deemed themselves superior just because they play a game with "good writing" for "real gamers".
I mostly agree with this video, but disagree on a few things. The dialogue isn't fully fixed by XDI. You still can only choose between 4 fairly basic responses that fall into the same basic categories every time, and XDI just allows you to see the full text of each option (which is a massive improvement). There's no skill checks, except fof the occasional charisma check (and to be fair I like how charisma checks work in FO4, though I wish they used an actual speech skill instead of charisma). Something else I don't like about FO4 is it forces you to make a decisions where all of the options feel like the wrong choice. This in and of itself can be good, and is done very well in FNV, however in Fallout 4 it feels like there's better choices you should be able to make but the game just doesn't let you. An example of this: when you find out Danse is a synth, I'd love to be able to stage a coup in the brotherhood. This was originally planned to be a option, but was scraped due to some issues that I think had resolutions other than scrapping the idea entirely. While fallout 4 is showing it's age in a few ways (like no in game graphics settings and a physics engine tied to FPS), I do agree it has aged way better than FNV. I am really looking forward to Fallout 4: New Vegas so I can have the best of both worlds, the superior RPG, and the superior engine/gameplay mechanics.
A lot of people who played the series DID NOT LIKE the settlement building feature. You see this is in the Command & Conquer series also. Solution. Don't play games with base building. I think the main character and the game would have been more popular if the main quest line had been "SAVE THE WORLD" instead of saving the son (who was an unknown entity).
Yeah, playing it now after the next gen upgrade on PS5. It's fun af
I like fallout 4 its a fun game in a sea of terrible games, but lets not overhype this cause the show came out, its an average game with better looking graphics if you compare it with the older titles, with better gun play thats still meh, end of story.
It’s the most critically acclaimed game of the series 💀
@@KindofBradAtThis Ok? You haven't given a single good reason to why that makes it the best in the series. It's a terrible rpg and it's horribly written. It appealing to normies doesn't mean shit.
@@KindofBradAtThis Critically acclaimed by people that are arguably shortsighted and don't really have any knowledge about video games.
@@JADEK111 it funny you just describe NV fan
@@kholispo6800 What?
I started with 3 in like 2013 but never finished it. Then when I got my PS4, I picked up Fallout 4 for like £10 and I was hooked. Eventually I fell in love with base building. So far, regardless of what playthrough I do, Red Rocket to me always becomes a pitstop on the road to Diamond city
I came back to fallout 4 after couple years and it improved a ton. I enjoy fallout 4 very much, and it's in the best state to come back to it or to play it for the first time. Can say the same thing about fallout 76. This one is completely different game since release day. Play tons of them.
I'm going to be real, while I agree with the overall point, I have absolutely no clue why Red Dead, Borderlands or Yakuza would be listed as RPGs. I mean, the Hockey game is a joke, that's clear, but the others showed up next to Cyberpunk. Better examples probably would have been the first two Baldur's Gate games where you're a Dark Urge with a set destiny, or games like Planescape: Torment and the two KotOR games where in all three a big part of the game is figuring out the history of the main character. Not every adventure game is an RPG, but you can be both. (Though I think Fallout 4 is a lot more adventure than RPG.) In fact, like you pointed out every single Fallout game except 3 actually decides who your character is for you to some degree, though it's not really about where they're from, it's about who they are. Fallout 1 and 2 you can't really play a character that wouldn't be trusted by their people to try and save them, since that's the entire inciting incident. In New Vegas the game developers made up an entire extended backstory to the Courier and then just decided not to tell the player, instead jumping out and retconning whatever the player might have come up with that contradicts what's established in a DLC they're only going to play dozens of hours into playing their character. Ironically, while Fallout 3 makes you play through your entire childhood, it's the one game that puts 0 restrictions on who your character is as a person, because the parts of their history you play through are things that would happen to literally anyone ever born in the Vault, and that's the only background limitation: that you were a Vault Dweller... In a Fallout game. You do mention having "Daddy Issues" in Fallout 3, but even that isn't forced on the player. The "main" quest is just one questline. The game actually goes out of its way with diaologue options and the general setup to give the player every excuse to roleplay as someone too at their washed up lying jerk of a dad to actually follow that questline, and you can actually go anywhere and do almost all of the other content without ever following up on your father if you want to roleplay as someone who is righteously wrathful for having been lied to all their life. Like, really, I'm pretty sure the only quests that are inaccessible to you if you don't pursue the Main Quest that aren't part of the mainquest itself, are a handful of minor activities given to you by the Brotherhood of Steel in the Pentagon. And you can even do some of the quests that are part of the main quest like repairing the radio dish in ways where you do it not for your father, but for other rewards or because you want to be helfpul. The one thing I will rag on though, is Kellog. His backstory is such an uabsurd mess, I just can't get past it. He's basically all the jokes about the typical Elder Scroll protagonist becoming a messiah that is involved with every major faction only to go do some bottom tier grunt work made flesh. They didn't need to make him a pseudo-immortal ex-NCR cyborg who somehow ended up being a top agent of the Shi before the Shi even interracted with outsiders.
Makes me so happy to see this game get the love it deserves
Same. :)
It’s trash sorry😊
@@chrisbeaulieu3436 God forbid somebody actually enjoy something.
@@chrisbeaulieu3436 Why can’t you just let people enjoy something? It’s not like they’re hurting you or anything.
Saying that post apocalyptic cowboy is the only right choice got me to sub it is the only right choice
ITS HIGHHOON SOMEWHERE
I love the game and how challenging it is. I ignore the critics and form my own opinion.
Fallout 4's biggest sin is not committing to its voiced protagonist. Nate/Nora is neither an interesting character who I can believe exists outside of my own imagination, nor a blank enough canvas for me to project a compelling character on. The result is really the worst of both worlds and I think that's why people hate the RPG part of Fallout 4 so much.
Exactly they gave us lets say characters with an iteresting prenstablished backstory. Male ex-soldier and Female Lawyer, give them perks based on their previous profession! I have a theory that the quest of the U.S.S. Constitution was either one of the first or last quest to be designed. You get an ability check to fix some wires and you get a different introduction if you're playing either male or female
Like how cool would it have been if while playing Nick's quest as Nora, you could say something like "Yeah i studied that case for a long time" and you would get a different path to follow that quest. THAT's the route they should have picked when they chose to give our characters a pre-built story
@@giuseppesagona7522 Yeah it also would have been nice to get more of Nate/Nora's thoughts on things more often. Like you'd think they'd be pretty sad about the end of the world, but after the initial shock they don't seem too choked up about it. If you're gonna have a voiced protagonist you might as well use them to do more than just read what the dialogue wheel says.
Unfortunately I feel like this video misunderstands the actual critiques for Fallout 4. We don't think it's alltogether a bad game, the problem is that, while it is an RPG, it's not really a CRPG. We "old fallout" fans (1+2+NV) just lament that Bethesda has strayed so far from the series roots. And the lack of ability to role-play isn't from the character having a backstory, it's from the lack of meaningful dialogue choices and decisions that *actually* affect the game world. New Vegas was able to bring the roleplaying to bethesda's new formula, so why can't fallout 4, a game that released years later? They could have learned from what New Vegas did right while doing justice to both the old and new fanbases, but instead they went even further in the other direction. Again, fallout 4 isn't a bad game, it's actually pretty fun if you just play it as an FPS with RPG elements, it just has bad role-playing, and it honestly feels like Bethesda is trying it's absolute hardest to shake off the old fans.
Also I don't know a single person that praises New Vegas as the pinnacle of RPGs and ALSO Skyrim alongside it. They're both SUPER different types of RPGs and usually the two player bases aren't super compatible.
RPG purists when a game company innovates and experiments differently 😢
@@wongjunkit6205i don't think straight up bad writing is "Experimenting"
@@Biojack222 People when they strawman an argument to seem superior 😢
@@wongjunkit6205 I mean, you gotta admit the story has holes, the institute being the biggest. It ain't a straw man when the majority of people agree the institute were undercooked
Great video man, I agree in most of what you said. Except a few things and mostly about choices and dialogue.
Glad you enjoyed homie!
I enjoyed the game for what it is. I know fallout has evolved since FO2, the first one I played... I didn't mind because the game is fun. Are there issues? Of course. But if you are looking for perfection, you won't find it in the creations of men. I thought the exploration of humanity, identity, the soul was interesting.
Honestly my only complaint about f4 is that bethesda left out SKILL CHECKS... like... why.
Hard agree, what’s even weird is they aren’t completely absent there’s just like maybe 4-5 of them in the base game
Actually, the game _does_ have skill checks (i.e., if you have a high enough Intelligence, the Charisma check for convincing Dr. Madison Li to re-join the Brotherhood is made significantly easier), it's just that virtually all of them are invisible and hidden in the game's code. And no, I don't know why they did that either.
Thanks for the detailed explanation but there is another settlement that needs helps. Here, I'll mark it on your map.
RE: Weapon degradation So I don't mind weapon/armor deterioration, especially in post-apocalyptic games like Fallout or STALKER. I just think in F3 and NV, it was implemented really poorly. It's super annoying the only way to repair a weapon to a semi-usable state is to have a dozen of the same gun rattling around in your backpack. And what happens if you can't find a matching gun? Well, you're shit outta luck. However, the ramifications to having a shitty gun were cool. Decreased stats, weapon jamming. Made combat encounters more intense and forced you to really consider what weapon to use depending on how strong or numerous your opponents were. It's just too bad that in both Fallout and STALKER's case, unjamming a gun was just "Press R to reload." At least in the STALKER 2 trailers the character actually unjams the weapon realistically. Plus in Clear Sky and Call of Pripyat, there were engineers who could repair and upgrade your gear, which was sorely missing in F3 and New Vegas. Then again--even though the system was flawed--in 3/NV DIY repairing your weapons while trekking the Wasteland, scrounging for the parts to do so, really made you feel your were just scraping by, keeping your shit together to survive another hour. So I feel in Fallout 5, if they decide to re-implement weapon degradation, it would feel very immersive to be able to do small repairs while out in the field, then do proper ones when at a settlement (if you have the caps, that is). And by mid to late game it becomes second nature to keep your kits all shiny and ready to go.
Agreed. Game is fantastic I put a day and a half into it over the last week and it feels like I’m playing it for the first time again
did bro say that the story of fallout 4 is nuanced the STORY OF FINDING YOUR SON IS NUANCED?!?!?!?!
Do.. do you know what nuanced means? Because a story about finding your son can be nuanced. Why are you acting like finding your son is inherently not nuanced?
i get it new fallout fans are experiencing fallout 4 for the first time but fallout 4 story is whack the gameplay is fun however but lets not act that a golden dung isnt still a piece of dung
@@dacheeeseman You didn’t answer my question. You just spouted a bunch of common buzzword phrases. So I’m guessing you don’t know what nuanced means.
Fallout 4's biggest sin is being released after New Vegas. It's a marked improvement over Fallout 3 in nearly every way. I don't think the story is poorly written so much as it's underwritten. Certain things needed to be fleshed out a lot more (especially the Institute) but the core idea of the narrative isn't necessarily a bad one. FO4 has a bit more an overtly comic-book sensibility than previous games and I think a lot of fans hate that, they want the series to be all about gritty political realism. But even Fallout 1 and Fallout 2 were rather broad in their approach and had a lot of silly comic book inspired stuff in them. The simplified dialogue system is probably the worst element of FO4 and the biggest step down from previous entries, it was way too Mass Effect-inspired and built around the concept of a voiced protagonist rather than player immersion. But I'll give Bethesda some points for experimenting and trying something different. FO4 has its share of flaws but I think a lot of the extreme hatred online towards the game is hyperbolic and disingenuous at best. Personally I'll always have a soft spot for it since it was my first Fallout game and my introduction into the open world RPGs.
I can agree the story is underwritten and if things were more properly fleshed out and explained, extended out the main story for all the factions to flesh them all out more, would've been a huge improvement, but definitely wouldn't have saved it. I don't like this argument people have about 1 and 2 being silly and wacky too, most of those silly moments were saved to random encounters while traversing the map, which worked far different than traversing the map in bethesda era games. They worked in 1 and 2 because you come by it go "huh that's weird/funny/cool" and move on back to the map. In bethesda era these goofy adn wacky things generally stick around for you to interact with, cementing them in the world. It is kind of like in dying light, the mario level area, its a funny little thing you can do and find, and then you move on and don't run into it again. Yes, I'm glad we can all agree the dialogue system is garbage, and having a voiced protagonist as being a downgrade. However, I will disagree for giving bethesda points for experimenting, if you purchase a burger and they give you a ham sandwich, you don't look for the goods of eating a ham sandwich. Also, I'm sorry this was your first experience with fallout, you deserved better.
@@darkflmmstr Are you kidding me? Fallout 1's main story has a sinister post-apocalyptic cult staffed with superpowered psychic minions and led by a hideous mutant abomination that looks like something HR Giger would have drawn if he worked for EC in the 1950's. Can't get much more comic book than that. Even the basic plot of the game is like something out of a comic book. Plucky hero ventures into the unknown and saves the world from mutants. Yawn. And Fallout 2 pushes it even further. You can become a porn star, recruit talking Deathclaws into your party and even break the fourth wall completely and go back in time and alter the events of the first game. Not to mention the fact that post-war society has apparently regressed to so far that portions of the population have literally reverted to unga-bunga tribal people who act like they can barely wipe their own asses properly and may or may not have magical powers. The series had a goofy and comic book-influenced aesthetic from the very beginning and balanced out the horrors of the apocalypse with heavy doses of humor and grotesque irony. It wasn't until New Vegas got popular that every failed Poli-Sci dropout on the internet started treating the series like it was the second coming of War and Peace and making long rambling video essays analyzing every single facet of it in the most anally retentive fashion imaginable. And New Vegas is the only game in the series that made a conscious attempt to tone down the goofiness a bit and restrict it to the Wild Wasteland perk, making it optional for the player. Everyone acts like Fallout 1 and 2 were super serious and grim dark but they really weren't. "Yes, I'm glad we can all agree the dialogue system is garbage, and having a voiced protagonist as being a downgrade" Don't put words in my mouth. I never said it was garbage and even though it is a downgrade I still enjoy it. And judging from how many videos there are on KZhead showing off the numerous sarcastic responses the player can give, many others do as well. "However, I will disagree for giving bethesda points for experimenting, if you purchase a burger and they give you a ham sandwich, you don't look for the goods of eating a ham sandwich." The series stopped being a burger and became a ham sandwich as soon as Bethesda acquired the rights. Sorry you wanted New Vegas Part 2 and didn't get it. Next time temper those expectations and learn to understand how corporatism and big business works. "Also, I'm sorry this was your first experience with fallout, you deserved better." Wow, I've definitely never heard that one before. How original. Don't feel sorry for me though, I've played all the mainline Fallout titles and enjoyed them immensely while you'll be stuck whining about how that big meanie Todd ruined the series and lamenting the fact that Van Buren never came out for the rest of your life. Enjoy your bitterness and say hi to the troglodytes at NMA for me.
@@silversnail1413 I think we're talking about different things then, I'm talking about hos bethesda has put aliens as a certified thing in the world thanks to mothership zeta, whereas prior something like coming across the Tardis was something that quickly happened and went. If we're gonna talk about how real something like psychics and mutants are in something that is fantasy then there isn't much media that would be considered realistic unless you're going for war simulators. That kind of story is a bore now, because we've had almost 30 years of content, but that wasn't the case then, wasn't very many video games with a storyline like that, you can't judge its story as being overdone from era where there wasn't nearly as much of it and video games weren't played nearly as much. You're naming a bunch of side things, that is my point, the goofy stuff used to be the side thing, not mixed into the main stuff. You don't have to interact with the porn star stuff, you don't have to go and recruit the talking death claws, you don't have to go back in time (that is one of those encounters I'm talking about a "oh that's neat" type of thing). New Vegas came out during the heyday of the internet, that is why there are so many people that have talked about it, that was the era that the internet was becoming more popular and mainstream and more easily accessible to people, so of course people would be analyzing it, it was also the beginning of the rise of youtube so you were getting lots of different videos with more people finding the platform. Something to think about is matpat put up his first video only 6 months after new vegas released it was the beginning of the golden age on youtube when all of the greats were getting their starts or already climbing, again it isn't something you can judge by the today where obviously after 15 years many MANY people have played it adn talked about it and making a youtube channel is just the thing to do. All forms of art have looked at with a close lens, analyzing the smallest of details, there are such things as good and bad stories, there is good and bad gameplay, god and bad graphics, etc etc. There are objectives in these things it isn't all subjective, you can have opinion on the matter, but there are facts to it like FNV and FO3 having bad gameplay for their time, this is pretty objective even compared to other games around their time, their gameplay and controls are outdated and pretty bad. Looking at story we can use FO4 with kid in a fridge and the ghoul settlement, so do ghouls need food and water to survive? FO4 says yes to both, they both do and don't need food and water to survive, since the ghoul settlers need food and water and were growing food for themselves, and the kid hasn't left the fridge on 200 years, it is bad writing objectively. The new dialogue system is garbage it takes away more decision in place of vague words always being "yes", "yes, but no", "no", and "sarcastic yes", instead of having dialogue options where you might have almost 7 lines to choose from and being able to accurately see what you're going to say so you can actually roleplay your character in the most accurate way possible with limited dialogue selections. On top of the voice protagonist taking away an agency in imaging how your character would sound (you know part of roleplaying). It is fine if you enjoy it, no says you can't, but it is a clear downgrade and is rather bad. You could still have the sarcastic option with old dialogue system but not vice versa, this dialogue system id restricting and I hope they do away with it in the next fallout. That is a rather defeatist mindset, you'd rather be happy consuming slop than criticizing and pointing out flaws for them to try and improve on? If enough people were to talk about these concerns instead of just accepting it for what it is and being okay consuming product only to wait for next product, you could see be better writing, you could get less buggy games on release, you could have a more robust roleplaying system in the game instead of the bare minimum that is another downgrade. The removal of skills and level locking perks that allow you to open locks and hack computers just level locks the whole game, coming across a master lock at level 5, I know I won't be able to pick that lock for a long time so why would I remember to come back to it? Also you want to talk about putting words in people's mouth "Sorry you wanted New Vegas Part 2 and didn't get it." No where did I say I wanted Bethesda to make a FNV2, so don't be a hypocrite. On the note of "corporatism and bug business" we have a recent example of what happens when people band together against a big business and corporation with helldivers, Sony backtracked their PSN account requirement, so it isn't as if we don't have a precedent now, we have something to look at and say it is possible to get change for the better. I don't understand why you're so hostile, no where in my previous reply was I rude in form, but you've decided to be for some inexplicit reason. Fallout 4 from a story perspective is imo the worst int he series so far, and the consistency with the lore is not very good (circle back to kid in a fridge). I don't think Todd ruined the series, I think Emil ruined the series but he didn't just ruin fallout he also ruined the elder scrolls and his terrible writing made starfield far worse than it needed to be. I don't understand why you think I'm bitter for being able to criticize something that I enjoy and want to succeed. I've pointed out flaws that I would like to and many other people would like to see done better. If you believe that to be being bitter than you're naive, intellectually lazy, and a mindless consumer.