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Fallout 1 is my favourite & has the best story but New Vegas is the best Fallout game My ranking goes as follows 1. Fallout 2. Fallout New Vegas 3. Fallout 2 4. Fallout 3 5. Fallout 4 6. Van Buren Tech Demo 7. Fallout 76 8. Watching paint dry 9. Fallout Shelter i haven’t played Tactics or Brotherhood of steel
I still think it’s possible to lower the stakes back down if they just say vault tech has no more nukes and make it that the ncr is regrouping somewhere and Maldovers group was just some stragglers dedicated to competing there own mission i feel like they can still tone it down if they listen to feedback oh and new Vegas is my favorite fallout game.
halo, dead space, mass effect, and mortal kombat got animated shows/flims but why didnt fallout
@@MannerdDesert7 I think I'd agree other than Shelter on my list would fall down into the haven't played list with Tactics. and I'd bump watching paint dry over 76.
You're either a Smart Fella, or a Vault Dwella.
Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter
Or a Fart Smella
@@thegodslayer6969 did you really just have to add the original joke as if nobody knew what it was? He made a pun that is based on exactly that.
I’m a fart smella
@@not_thomas8249 WHAT
Fallout fans hate each other the most
Nah. Bethesda
Na. Bathesda is to blame. They had a goose that layed golden eggs and decided to make jerky; and it's hard to reason with people who like the taste.
yeah I hate you too
You probably felt really creative commenting that huh? “No one hates fallout fans more than fallout fans” - 🤓 No dumbasss we just dislike crappy storytelling and seeing something we enjoy get nuked for nothing more than shock factor and a cool looking shot
Insert groundskeeper Willy meme
Committing war crimes is usually the best part of the games
I think they're considered crimes against humanity, since we're barely involved in any war most of the playthrough
@@remimk but bro, war never changes!
@Addonzs
maybe if the only fallout game you played was fallout 3, sure, i can see why you'd think that
Is it really a war crime if no legal system to prosecute it exist?
Fallout New Vegas is low stakes? Are you for real?
Yeah and the enclave in fallout 3 literally was going to poison the water to kill as much life as possible.
And the Master in Fallout wanted to enslave all of the wasteland under super mutant control And the enclave in Fallout 2 wanted to commit mass genocide with a bio weapon [Idk about Tactics so no mention of it here] And the calculator or whatever wanted to kill everything in Fallout BoS or smth [Commenter already talked about 3] Fallout 4 was about... the control of a city, like, just a region "which one of this hardasses gets to keep the commonwealth???" All things considered, the game with the lowest stakes may be 76 or the show?
@@Nobody-zl3kk I'm pretty sure fallout 76 was about a species of mutant bats that wiped out the entirety of Virgina and were planning to expand.
The high stakes in New Vegas is mainly in the DLCs with the world ending tech at the core of their plots. The base game's stakes is just geopolitics and the potential destruction of the Hoover Dam.
@@theo1170 Mf do you have any idea what consequences there are to geopolitics. How do you reckon this whole nuclear war thing started??
Also The NCR Rangers were their own faction in the Mojave. The Rangers of The Mojave were the major power of the region until the Legion and NCR came in. Until they joined the NCR to secure the Mojave away from the Legion. Which is why the giant NCR soldier handshaking The Ranger Statue exists.
*Desert Rangers. NCR had their Rangers already, but then the Desert Rangers joined the NCR bolstering their Ranger ranks
Thank you for explaining common knowledge level lore to us and then somehow screw it up. It was surely a good investment of your time.
@@__-eo9nu the bethesda mentality
@@__-eo9nuokay cucumber head
Bro Im just fucking tired of bombs dropping after the war GODDAMN
But why? Why do you give a shit?
@@Arander92 "Why have opinions"
Average 76 player reaction to a nuke zone alert
@@Arander92 go away shill
I totally get it. It takes away from the horror of the Great War.
WALTON GOGGINS CARRIES THE SHOW. I had no idea who he was until this show, but he deserves all the flowers he is getting.
HOWWWW dude is a genius character actor. Please look up his IMDB and watch EVERYTHING.
Yea you need to watch his westerns he's born to do westerns
He always does great villains and he did great as an anti hero here. Not something you see and I love it!
@@0viking_645 he really seems to just love them. I'm sure this role was fun for him as a nod to that history of his too
Watch him in vice principal’s. It doesn’t even make sense how funny he is in it
I think the person who wrote the brotherhood in this show played too much warhammer
Me and my wife both felt the same.
I think you just didn't play Fallout 1 well enough. BOS are tech obsessed fanatics. Their theme is literally called "Mettalic Monks" ffs. They were originally portrayed more like monks or templars who revered technology. Them being more secular and military-oriented comes from Fallout 3 and other later games.
@MoxMort33i01 they like many factions just don't die...except for the NCR, they seem to be dead, maybe season 2 will explain this, but at this point just let a faction die ahah
i mean, clearly the brotherhood are inspired by warhammer and the 10mm smg is a bolt gun.
@@MoxMort3301 yes but that made them more awesome and mysterious, i hate how bethesda turned them into white knights of the wasteland.
I’ll never not be annoyed how in bethesdas fallout, the world feels like the bombs fell yesterday. When the US today is barely over 200 years old of a civilization, so how the hell is 200 years after the bombs fell there is still almost no civilizations and skeletons and garbage everywhere 😂
I love how in fallout 4, you get to that first store with that standoff between the jet dealers and the store owner. you get inside her shop and there just a skeleton in the booth. like aren't you gonna clean up around here?!? 😂
The u.s is barely over 200 years old but all of its infrastructure, architecture, social structure, laws and everything else are derived from thousands of years of human history and knowledge that was passed down. I dont think you understand the importance of information. The loss of the library of alexandria, a single building, is said to have sent mankind back hundreds of years in terms of advancement and knowledge. Now imagine 95% of all books/knowledge and 90% of the people being erased from the world. It would takes thousand if not tens of thousands of years to regain all the lost knowledge. Mankind would be essentially cavemen as things like mathematics, science etc would be useless it would not be passed down thus no progress or invention would occur. Survival would be the only basic function, even cleaning up old skeletons etc would be a question of "why waste the time and energy?"
Yeah exactly. I do like how the show acknowledges that shady sands actually became a functional society. Of course not everything is going to go back to normal, due to lack of genuine education, creatures such as death claws and mutants, and factions. It’s essentially the Wild West but that doesn’t mean people aren’t established.
Ok, so i know that Fallout 4 gets critizised A LOT for this exact reason but it might just be the only one that has a relatively good explanation for it. As far as i understand, the whole commonwealth is a marginally worse area to live in thanks to it's closeness to the glowing sea. The fact that neither the Enclave nor the BoS ever had any actual presence there probably didn't help either. That leaves us with the Minutemen, the Institute and later, the railroad. I don't think i have to explain how and why the Railroad sucks so into the bin they go. Now the Minutemen are actually interesting, they may be extremely weak when the game happens but it's mentioned a lot that they actually used to be very powerful. They actually almost managed to completely unite the commonwealth, thus achieving the same thing the NCR accomplished, making an actually functional society. Then the fcking Institute happened, they apparently got really iffy about the idea that someone else would fulfill their "glorious" purpose of "saving" humanity, so they sent an assassin to destroy the Minutemens plans. So the writing flaw isn't really that the entire Commmonwealth is still a wasteland sh*thole but rather that Todd somehow believes that the Institute is somehow a good/viable choice to side with. They are incompetent at best and comically evil at worst.
yep I always get mods that add more greenery and take away all the trash
I just realized something. You see kids in Vault 33 for the first episode and never again.
You do, they are present in the meeting where the water chip issue is raised and in some background shots I believe.
makes sense they arent in all the gruesome scenes
It would be to much if they were
they died
@@FemboyKaiSaku bethesda and their immortal kids
It’s important to remember that there was no confirmation that Vault-Tec kicked off the bombing. The show only ever shows us that they were discussing it as a viable strategy at the highest organizational levels. More fuel to theories than anything.
I think that they wanted to drop to bombs but someone beat them to it. Thats why in fallout 4 the representative talks rushed and he’s nervous to get it done so he can go into the vault. From what I’ve seen in four everything seems really reactionary. I could be wrong idk.
That’s exactly what I think too. I think the fact that Coop’s kid was with him and not in a vault when the bombs fell, points to this. (Plus House saying he was off by like 20 hours)
@@S.pilgrim I never thought about it with the show added on. I need to rewatch the show to really delve into the storylines and see how everything connects.
cope
rewatch the episode it is VERRRRRY EXPLICIT that vault tech DID indeed drop the bombs.
We know for a fact that after the fallout show at least a few people replayed a fallout game so they can download the play as a ghoul mod so they can roleplay as cooper
I haven’t played any of the Fallouts (except 2) in years, but there’s a play as a ghoul mod? That sounds awesome
@@S.pilgrim there’s some on Nexus I never tried them though.
@@theskeletonman2092 Cheers man, sadly I’m without a PC atm, but when I rectify that I’ll be sure to try them out
@@S.pilgrim I’ve tried out the ghoul mod and it’s actually pretty good not too game changing but actually fun. Forces you into less charisma which nobody cares about so meh but it’s basically a free rad child at the start of the game and feral ghouls are chill with you. I love it.
don't forget the anti-radiation mod, since that's not in the base game/lore.
The part about Bethesda making the BoS a major faction feeling weird is so true. It truly feels like they can’t have the courage to let some og factions die. Like why does the enclave even exist outside of fallout 2? I thought they just lived on an oil rig in California, yet now they’re everywhere and it just makes the world feel so small.
Honestly you'd expect them to be bigger for how much theyre involved in every single project...
@@remimkthe brotherhood in New Vegas are a tiny force hiding in a vault in the Mojave. It’s so ridiculous that the brotherhood of steal on the east coast is somehow sending ships back even though the east coast is also a tiny group. Hundreds of soldiers compared to over 100,000 new California army. The brotherhood should be a small but effective mechanized fist not a region wide player.
All these games are separated by decades and you just cannot conceive that things changed in that time. Maybe the BoS numbers have grown? It is not at all inconceivable. And when the hell was it established that the Enclave was ONLY on that oil rig? Was that EVER officially established in in-game dialogue? It sounds more like the Enclave had a presence in the West that went kaput, but EVEN THEN, there’s nothing to suggest that other chapters of the Enclave couldn’t just send reinforcements. It’s like you guys want this to be lore breaking because it doesn’t specifically do what you want. We FINALLY have an example of an in canon show where Hollywood RESPECTS the game and shows normies why fans love the world… but that’s not good enough for you guys. You rant and rave about this too, which undermines criticism for when something ACTUALLY BAD comes along (the Halo show). You are sabotaging the potential of future video game adaptations What people have been saying is right. Fallout fans are the fucking WORST
@@Arander92 wow thats so many words just to say you're a pain in the ass.
@@icecoldpolitics8890 I mean, this IS post New Vegas. Clearly some political activity has been occurring leading to Shady Sands getting evaporated and the NCR has always sort of been set up to eventually fail story wise. While the brotherhood is easily one of my least favorite factions to focus on, I don't think its impossible for a group of them to move into what is essentially a power vacuum (assuming of course that the NCR did get broken up a bit).
I don't think the NCR is gone. I think they've just lost control of the region. I think the writers wanted to use the Bethesda model for season one to present a blanket example of what the Wasteland and retro futuristic world for first-time viewers and that showing New Vegas at the end is an indication season two will follow an obsidian style with large factions like House and the Legion playing parts.
New Vegas was destroyed look the end credits old games are dead it's Bethesda Time move on
"Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment."
@TheMattsem The idea that a corporation wants to methodically destroy everything you love both stupid and ridiculously commonplace.
@@evanthompson7494And it’s a major plot point in the show too ;)
@@evanthompson7494 I wish it's destroying it's more like stupefying everything the game play the story there is no level cap for Fallout 4 welcome to the mainstream and walking in eggshells trying not to offend anybody
The one thing I'll disagree on is canonizing endings issue. Before Todd Howard's comments on canon endings and Fallout 76 muddying the Fallout canon before the show, it was widely implied (and assumed) the "good" endings of each mainline Fallout game were canon. This was evidenced by the fact characters and factions existed that would've been destroyed in any bad ending game canon. I liked thinking the "good" endings were always canon because if the bad ones were, there would hardly be anything left for the sequel... otherwise: The Master would've turned everyone into Super Mutants. The Enclave would've destroyed the NCR and BoS. The Enclave would've wiped out the West Coast BoS Chapter and Capital Wasteland's population with FEV. The Institute would've destroyed all factions and all semblance of civilization in the Commonwealth. So assuming the "good" endings are always canon is implied, to me anyways. And I of course say "good" because a lot of the choices aren't black and white, but in general, the protagonist doing good things like saving Tandi from the Khans in Fallout 1 is canon, as in future games both Tandi and the Khans live on, as a very specific example of my point. I'm not saying "good ending's always canon bro, deal with it", especially because you can debate, say, which New Vegas ending is the "good" ending. I'm just saying it's okay to canonize certain choices within the games, and not make a big fuss over it. Eventually you have to canonize something, or else you simply can't talk about it anymore, and I want to talk about the NCR and the Legion and House... just not in the Fallout TV series... Fallout New Vegas 2 would be great. TL;DR: I want Fallout New Vegas 2.
Doktor skipper try not use 5 seconds of no surprise in a video challenge
Wut
Really hope Vault Tec discussing dropping the first bomb wasn't them actually saying they did rather just a tactic they discussed
Yeah. I doubt they did since multiple vaults weren’t completed by 2077; they planned to start the war if it came to it, but it started on its own.
Yeah that might be the only way this shit makes sense.
@@leaderunith4l324 ye, i agree n all. but why would the vault-tec logo be on the nuke in megaton? ts is confusing.
It could also be them provoking China to do it, maybe leaking FEV to them in a way to merge it with Cain’s reveal.
@@Mug._ that logo isn't even the same if you take a closer look it is missing parts of it to make it a vault tec logo. It's most likely us air force logo then vault tec. It's not the smoking gun you fool yourself to think it is. Other reason that logo looks similar is artist team may gotten bit lazy and reused assets and did little changes to the logo to make it look like air force logo with a consequence that people will mistake it as vault tec. Next time you play fo3 look more closely to the logo and pull up vault tec logo on your phone and you can see differences
Skipper complains about a revolutionary technology that could change the face of the wasteland existing and being fought over. My brother in Christ, the platinum chip is right there.
The Gecks too.
synths aint anything to sneer at neither
FEV from Fallout and FEV bio weapon from Fallout 2 are calling.
The Cloud too
Also the nukes in Lonesome Road
I agree with some of your criticisms, but I also wanted to say that you use the term "retcon" way too liberally. For example, the Prydwyn existing isn't a retcon, as the Prydwyn being destroyed wasn't established continuity. Rather it just means that the canon ending to Fallout 4 is one of the two where the Prydwyn survives (aka either the Minutemen or the BOS endings). Saying that is a retcon is the same as saying the BOS arriving in Fallout 4 is a retcon because it makes the Enclave ending in Fallout 3 non-canon. In a different way, the Fall of Shady Sands isn't a retcon of New Vegas as the show runners have made it clear in many statements that Shady Sands wasn't nuked until after the story of New Vegas. As to why they claimed the fall happened in 2277 rather that 2281, that could have either been a production mistake, or it could be a reference to some otherwise unreferenced wider political crisis that surrounded the NCR such as the war with the Legion (which started in 2277) and the wider conflict in the Mojave, or even some yet to be referenced turmoil that was regional to the NCR.
my theory about this will always be the lost of their gold to the brotherhood their economy was gold backed and most have died slowly after the bos stole or destroyed the gold my memory not good on that front, either way without a economy your faction is eventually gonna collapse on it self if you can,t pay your soldier they will move on to other things prioritize their family ect.
"Prydwyn being destroyed wasn't established continuity" but shady sands was, vault tec being just a company that didnt survive the end of the world was, the NCR was, the brotherhood was. Also i dont understand why people need to lick the show's boot tryina explain the date, they got every other date and info right, but that one the most important they made a mistake? also even if it refers to the NCR being screwed over in the mojave it woulnt make a fucking difference, they nuked the capital anyway
Yeah. I gotta say, as a Transformers fan I can’t help but raise an eyebrow every time I see people complaining about the “retcons” in this show.
Is it not far fetched to believe the Brotherhood just have more than one?
@@johnmarston853 Idk who started the "Retcon" talk in the Fallout fandom but whomever it was is a fucken dumbass who knew the damage they were causing by treating such a nuanced topic about continuity and storytelling as if it was the deadliest sin or some shit.
so your a Fallout fan huh? name every vault.
1-122, next question
@@blistcc1680impressive. Now name every women in fallout
@@blistcc1680 Bro forgot Vault 0 💀
@@___MalTechnically not canon
@@rockmycd1319 I hope it’s not a cannon it’s a vault (Groucho Marx humor)
Maximus was pure NPC of fallout lol
Fallout 4 NPC
Bethesda Fallout*
Max has more potential for character development then any of them we don't know to much about him and he grows as the show goes. As someone that likes rpgs that's a rpg character to its fullest the rest are already fleshed out, everyone likes the ghoul oh the same archetype for any badass in any movie or show but with makeup on... the ghoul is Bethesda already fleshed out Max is old school not sure where he's going 🤔 but hey I get why everyone loves pigeon toed Joe it's safe 💙
@@wickid-the-rogue no he doesn't
@@wickid-the-rogue no
more than a decade of criticism towards bethesdas writting, all of a sudden being tossed up as "small nitpicks by a handfull of hardcore fallout fans" because of this show
Well said
that's the power of corporate gaslighting
Huh? The people who are saying "small nitpicks by a handful of hard-core fans" are talking about the show not the Bethesda games lmfao.
I'm pretty sure you can like the show and still hate Bethesda for their shit writing in the games.
Damn nitpickers!
I don't remember them confirming that VaultTec dropped the bombs, just that they were capable (or believed themselves to be) of dropping them.
tbh that one room with all the execs probably held 90% of the world's wealth with that much money paying for spies, false information feeding ect. they def fanned the flames maybe they didn't press the button themselves they might have made it the only option left.
pretty sure they have a stockpile of warheads
The one that destroyed Shady Sands was from them so they were capable.
19:16 It wasnt confirmed that Vault Tec started the war, tf u talking about
Yeah they def brought that up for no reason
China dropped the bombs, also it could be leading to vault-tec conspiring with China to drop the bombs so who knows?
@@qqgoblin Bringing it up leaves two options: 'They did it' Or, the writers are trying to subvert expectations, which is the single laziest way to go about this. Oh well, it's not like that is a running theme throughout the show or anything...
@@qqgoblin they said it because they wanted to guarantee the people at the table that even if there is no nuclear war between China and US, VT is ready to start the war themselves to make sure that the vaults arent wasted. That was literally House's question at that moment, how can they guarantee that the vaults will be used
New Vegas story telling is peak gaming.
Don't get me wrong. I love Fallout 4. But goddamn it gets so restrictive to what you can actually do in the story, I just keep coming back to New Vegas.
@@sm0k3y56 gotta love that like 3 of the 4 endings are pretty much identical in that game
let's be honest there's only 2 endings you kill or join the institute thats it
A fallout with 4s graphics, power armour, and modding/building. With New vegas story telling would go hard. All the shooting/building perks from 4, combined with a bomb story.
I never played 1 or 2, but I played 3, 4, and NV. NV was really the only one that I actually enjoyed and have fond memories of. I don't quite understand how people enjoy 3 and 4.
My main issue with it was how alien everyone acted. They didn't react to pain or danger like a human would, and I wonder if it was to emulate the game characters, but it just seemed odd. I quess you can just woodoo people new limbs in it, so it doesn't matter, but the level of violence compared to how people react to it was so off. Biggest examples would be how the mc goes around shooting bandits with the syringer, and then just turns her back to them like they're not dangerous anymore, even tho they literally still attack her. All the bandits at the start neatly paired 1 on 1 with the dwellers to do a fight, and no one seemed particularly distressed over it. When the bear found the knight in the cave: They held on that shot for too long, and it was so wooden. When they cut her finger off: She's like "Ow ow ow! That really smarts, mister!"
This is the same game where shooting a mini nuke at an enemy doesn’t kill them
This is the same game where injecting yourself with psycho makes your bullets hit harder
“No one seemed particularly distressed over it” Yeah I don’t think running around in panic is very indicative of calm apathy
@@theskeletonman2092 Literally just meth lol
Genuinely my only problem with the show, but it's likely due to an atmosphere that the show is trying to maintain. The first two games were quite visceral and even then it wasn't ultra-violence levels of carnage, Fallout is violent but its violence isn't usually disturbing in the way that for example GTA V's is, where people scream in agony when you light them on fire. I would prefer if the characters had more of a natural reaction to pain and violence but I understand that it's likely an intentional choice.
I honestly yearned to see what a post-apocalypse civilisation would look like, I wanted to see Vault City in all it's glory and caravans evolve from Brahmin to trucks. Apparently though all that is never going to happen.
"Deadwood with cars and insurance isn't Deadwood anymore." Because nobody like the Red Dead Redemption franchise I guess.
sorry betheda likes the 1950s hipster mad max setting they created with fallout 3, its back to the stone age with you....again.
with mods and DLC you can have caravans of treaded, purpose built robots with a eyebot to replace the brahmin in FO4. Its something atleast.
Maximus seems like a good natured person("It is a Knight's duty to better this fallen world.") who gets corrupted by his emotions(when asked by Quintus why he joined the BoS, "To hurt those that hurt me."). Because of his apparent lack of education* he tends to react more emotionally than logically. Now that he will likely be elevated to official Knight and potentially Quintus' right hand he'll have to learn to deal with that added stress so he can act on the good in him instead of lashing out. *BoS "education" appears to involve military training, pre-war tech identification and based on visuals given religious dogma. Basically, Here's how to fight, here's how to find what we're looking for and here's why we're morally just. Max didn't even understand masturbation and his understanding of sex was either equally lacking or held behind a religious/militant viewpoint. "I'm a Knight. A, Knight of the Brotherhood. We're not supposed to." He seemed to learn the word intercourse during his time in Vault 4, which indicates that videos easily accessed by Vault Dwellers are more informative than anything given by the BoS. Based on Fallout lore, Vault-Tec appears to be a company the Enclave used to gather resources and test subjects to ensure their own survival, which makes the Enclave the ones most likely to start the war. FO76 reveals the existence of an early warning list that implies the Enclave knew when the bombs would begin to drop, likely because they would be the ones doing it. People having been removed from that early warning list by an individual that later declared themselves President implies that there wasn't total unity within the Enclave and one group or another could have launched early in an attempt to gain the upper hand on their rivals. In the show, when the companies are having their nefarious meeting, Barbara looks at her Pip-Boy then up at a shadowy figure that is likely from the Enclave; however, based on the state of the Enclave lab in Cali in comparison to the Vaults and the fact Bud said they saved Vault-Tec instead of a failed nation it seems VTec turned against the Enclave. Janey may not have been with Barbara when the bombs dropped because VTec could have found out the Enclave was making their move and had to strike first. Now that the cold fusion generator has been started and the Enclave potentially has reason to go after VTec they'll likely start to become a bigger presence in the next season/s. As they have some degree of access to VTec's systems, the Enclave may be able to prevent VTec from using anymore WMDs and will begin a shadow-confrontation with them. As each organization tries to take the other down they would likely expose themselves to and risk interference from the other wasteland factions. With NCR's power base destroyed they can now be a faction that we get to see build itself back up. If/once they learn about VTec's involvement in Shady Sands they'll have a reason to go after them and start hunting for Vaults. Lucy may then have to stand with the BoS or wastelanders against the NCR in order to keep Vaults 32 and 33 safe depending on how the NCR plans on dealing with Vault Dwellers. If they don't act maliciously towards them then Lucy may join the NCR since they accept ghouls and were originally in charge of Shady Sands back when she, Norm and her mother were there. The BoS took significant losses seizing the CF generator and while it may allow them to power equipment that can repair and possibly upgrade their power armor they need to start recruiting. Because they'll likely start their usual business of taking advanced tech away from others by any means it'll probably keep people from wanting to join, which may force the BoS to start conscripting people and in turn drive them to start joining the NCR in opposition. Then, despite the BoS potentially having full sets of repaired and upgraded T-60 armor they could end up so outnumbered as to not matter. Maximus could end up leaving them to join Lucy and Cooper with the NCR. If Max can maintain a good heart and drive the BoS in a positive way(I.E. trading for advanced tech, eliminating local threats like ferals and bears) then people would be more likely to willingly join, making the BoS and the NCR the two most predominant factions in the wasteland. The BoS would end up at less of a numbers disadvantage against the NCR but would likely still have a difference in soldier experience. It would allow the BoS to operate a little more freely and have more presence in the show instead of needing to focus on keeping the observatory secure. Additionally, with a kinder BoS Max would be less likely to leave so if Cooper and Lucy do join the NCR they could end up in conflict. In the event of a better Brotherhood, the Enclave could work with the NCR against VTec who could give the BoS advanced tech in return for help against the Enclave. The BoS would of course be willing to fight the Enclave but persuasion from VTec could focus their efforts in a way more beneficial to VTec. The NCR and BoS being after each other's supporting partner would put them at odds with each other for a renewed conflict. After the NCR and BoS learn how evil their respective partners are and start to turn against them it could leave openings in each other to exploit, allowing the wastelanders to take a larger role. The purpose of the Vaults in the show is not to have "Vault Dwellers" remake America. It is to have Vault-Tec remake America. The NCR was not under Vault-Tec's control so was an opposing faction to be dealt with. Show-VTec's goal from the very beginning was to wipe out opposing factions and/or wait long enough for them to wipe each other out so they'll have Earth to themselves. There are no circles. Considering Hank was kidnapped and Bud was trapped behind a mop for who knows how long, Vault-Tec clearly doesn't have as much power as you're assuming they do. Show-VTec was a company that secretly planned to wipe everyone else out so they could have Earth to themselves. The Empire's deeds were known by most throughout the galaxy, which the Empire wanted to control. The Rebels fought to be free of the Empire. Moldaver fought to start up the cold fusion generator without any apparent restraint on where that energy goes, meaning she would know VTec could potentially benefit from its activation yet she still started it. "Like, A New Hope starts with a droid that has intel to help the Rebellion, The First Order has a droid that has intel to stop the resistance and now a traitor to the Enclave that have suddenly returned" doesn't have a droid and doesn't have intel to help or destroy any particular group. He has something that gets turned on and provides power to everyone in the wasteland. The droids also have more purpose than simply containing intel, while Wilzig's head is merely a vessel for the CF tech. I don't think you're burnt out. I think you're just making connections that don't exist. Moldaver had a large group of people with her in Vault 33 to make it easier to kidnap Hank as that's not really something you can do yourself or with a very small group. She couldn't take only people she trusted because her NCR remnants aren't that numerous and she needs to keep the observatory secure, so she took some bandit goons with her as distractions even knowing there was a risk one of them could kill Hank. Just because raiders act like maniacs doesn't mean they can't be relatively intelligent.
Part 2 of one youtube video spawning thousands of reddit posts
I agreed up until the "New Vegas is low-stakes" thing. The game pretty blatantly hits you over the head with how detrimental Hoover Dam is to the wasteland. It's not only part of Lake Mead, a massive source of fresh water, but is also a massive generator with enough electricity to power New Vegas with just 5% of its total output.
it is low stakes, they are not gonna eradicate all human beings with super mutants or a virus like the previous 3 games.
For a moment, when you reached the Mandalorian comparison I thought y'all started to play the Uncle Ruckus theme.
Its ironic uncle ruckus theme actually is in the old star wars games.
seeing this made me realize the "war never changes" quote is irrelevant when there's just one singular faction that rules all
Exactly
Cooper Howard is my favorite part of the show, not just the Ghoul, some of my favorite parts of the show were before the nukes, and i really really want more. He has his daughter when the bombs dropped, so where is she? How did he live? Its kinda implied his daughter is with her mom so how did she get to her mom after the bombs dropped. And man i cant wait to see the conversation when his wife came home after saying they themselves should drop the nukes.
I don’t understand this vidoe, it was never said that the NCR was completely destroyed across California, believe it or not California is a very large state, and the show only really takes place in the area around shady sands if not a bit around that, it’s very possible that after the bombing of shady sands, the NCRs main forces moved to Northern California or closer to the Mojave, and mold are stayed behind to rebuild, I don’t see and issue with that being a possibility, as it was never stated outright that the NCR has “been destroyed”
He’s looking for a reason to complain that the show wasn’t helmed by Obsidian and didn’t jerk off New Vegas for 8 episodes
Nah they can't be in the Mojave cause it got completely wrecked in the last shot, attacked by deathclaws or tunnelers or whatever, but the shady sand sign implies they moved the capital, and the NCR had 5 states, so one nuke wouldn't destroy it
Even if the NCR wasn't completely destroyed, its presence was completely removed in its heartland. We should see farms, infrastructure, any remnants of a massive industrialized society but no, we see almost nothing. Not to mention the fact that New Vegas as an advanced society has been destroyed as well. It's clear that they're just bulldozing all advanced societies so they can justify their borderlands theme park ride.
The NCR was already on a sharp decline. Which is evident in FNV. their capitol getting nuked could absolutely quicken their fall. That said i believe the NCR is still out there in other parts of California. Although they are probably severly weakened and there would most definitely be panic and disorder in a nation whos capitol was just nuked @GuyMoreno-gw5md
@@GuyMoreno-gw5mdcould’ve easily just been along the hills of the highway we’re seeing that shot from, the place where there’s tons of Deathclaws?
People have seen how shit Bethesda's writing, worldbuilding, and gameplay can be with Starfield. It's pretty much undeniable how far they've fallen since even Skyrim. Yet people defend Fallout 4 like it's the second coming of christ. It's insanity.
Mechanics amazing fun feeling and inventive everything else I mean ehh not bad not crazy good but hey it's opinion
Yeah, I'm definitely seeing some revisionism regarding Fallout 4. I remember for the longest time most people being in agreement that Fallout 4's overall narrative and overemphasis on settlement building being major weaknesses of the game. Now that Starfield turned out to be an absolute dud of a game Fallout 4 is being looked at more fondly. Which is kinda understandable but just because Starfield turned out to be a worse game doesn't mean the glaring issues of Fallout 4 aren't still there. Bethesda has been on the decline for ages now.
Not gonna lie, I would say that I’ve seen way more New Vegas fans treat it’s game more like the second coming of Christ even though it feels more outdated even for it’s time honestly. F4 fans are mostly either newbies or people who genuinely played and liked the games despite 4’s mediocre script
It’s cause a ton of new fans who came in from the show only play Fallout 4, so they defend it with their lives. It’s like star wars and how a lot of people experienced the sequels first so they treasure those even though they’re dogshite
Oh my! How DARE people like a game I hate!!! Grrr!! How dare they have fun!!! 😡😡😡😡😡 Edit: Well, what do you know? Speak of the Devil, it seems as if most of these comments prove that very exact point. Can’t people enjoy nothing nowadays without a bunch of sower heads to ruin the fun?
Fallout the tv show is a faithful adaption of Bethesda's tenure of Fallout. Its got all the elements you are familiar with but the original content within that familiarity is an empty bland story, stuck explaining about the past, instead of doing what fallout used to be best at, creating a new future.
Yeah? So when did the BoS have androgynous soldiers in the game? Can ya tell me? lol. ffs. . . wake up man.
@@EQOAnostalgia I was insulting it
@@EQOAnostalgia Smartest Fallout Fan 2024 🏆
@@EQOAnostalgiawho gives a fuck about the soldier being androgynous
The only thing I truly hate is how bad is BOS are shown. I mean they are a$$holes but they are disciplined a$$holes not idiots.
So not one single individual can be a douchebag? There's no bad apples at all? They all gotta super disciplined. No organization is like that
@@Arander92threatening to a guy who’s the only one capable to save your life isn’t just being a douchebag. It’s been idiotic. Titus isn’t even a character. He is a one-dimensional bad guy who needs to die because Max needs PA to wear.
@user-kd4gb4vj2k Wow its almost like having almost unchecked military power makes you a bit arrogant
@@grahamhill676 yea, “a bit” arrogant. It was okay when Titus was a douchebag to Max before the attack but fucking no one would be insulting the only person who can save your life. That’s just suicidal. And bad writing, not good commentary.
@@user-kd4gb4vj2kwait so people like that Titus impossible to exist?
0:36 As a Brit I can confirm that this is how we interact at the shops
I did enjoy the show but I did find it a little surprising that they decided to put such huge story implications in a show
It is pretty amazing that the show was allowed to fill in such big parts of the Fallout background. I do love how much of the prewar era were seeing because of it though.
idk why everything has to be the be all end all nowadays. Same thing with mandalorian we couldn't just have a cool bounty hunter show we needed to have it be the most important thing ever going on at the time.
No, I don't think Vault-Tec being this eternal big bad is good writing.
I believe we will find out in season 2 that it's not Vault Tec that's in charge. But the Enclave. Vault Tec just working with/for them
I agree, sadly, the other 80 percent think this great.
I like how Cooper is revealed as basically being vault boy he’s the face that’s been with us since the beginning
He’s also the reason why the suits are blue and yellow/gold cuz it was his primary and secondary colors
Why's that good, though? Vault Boy didn't really need an origin story, he was just a corporate mascot. Personally, I consider it a waste of time at best.
@@CantusTropus yeah i agree. Everyone in the Fallout universe: 👏👏👏"OHMAGODHEDIDATHUMBSUP!!" 👏👏👏👏
@@CantusTropus I assume he isn't the Vault Boy. He just came up with the "thumb's up" jesture that was iconic in the time the mascot was developed. People always overanalyse.
@@blankspace998 That's basically it. He got branded a "commie" cause of he found out the truth and they replaced him on the marketing with the Vault Boy.
I've only noticed this after watching the video the further back you go the better the enemy factions are in the actual storytelling for the entire franchise of fallout were
Yeah the ideas were fresh and the people had passion. After 30 years of trying to make a new spin on the post nuclear desert it's not surprising that we're retreading.
that music you use around 18:50 could you by chance tell me the name of the song? super familiar not sure why
It's from the Battleblock Theater soundtrack, I think it's the main menu theme.
3:45 got me all emotional with the music you choose :(
“Who’s ready for tomorrow” choom im not even ready for today 😭😭
A cool thought to me is that hank working alone and the people he’s reporting to are mostly dead an he has to learn how the world has changed while looking for who’s left of vault tech while being hunted by Lucy cooper and the whole of the regrouped NCR.
Also the brotherhood could be built up as the main threat looking to seize territory from the weakened ncr.
would also be cool to see Maximus start some sort of ideology clash within the Brotherhood itself
@@Dungeoneer710 Dude went from aspirant to Knight in like a couple weeks by basically doing nothing.
@@NuclearWintr Natural 10 luck.
So Vault TEC dropping the bomb was probably to rush and cement them as the big bad within an episode. But yes, them continuing to survive would change the dynamic quite a lot because of the immense pre-nuke knowledge they have of the original governments and tech.
It wasn’t rushed, it was something that had been setup since the first scene. The rushed bad guy was the Hank le bad reveal that wasn’t really set up apart from its relation to the Vault 31 B plot.
18:50 does anybody know where this song is from? I know it's a video game and it's one I've played, but I just can't figure it out for the life of me.
its the battleblock theater menu music
I think you misunderstood the role of vault-tec in the show, along with the scale of it's stakes as a whole
I think he doesn't know that shows are always produced with these certain views mentioned because real life political interest and propaganda plays a role. Which ruins the imaginitive but that's just how it is.
2 lore changes which would have fixed the show (imo): - Just make Vault Tec and Hank and stuff apart of the Enclave. Even that scene where the Ghoul is listening to their meeting can be where they decide to go by the Enclave. The cryopods are just one of many contingencies they set up. And make their plan to be going to space, instead of resettling America. - The NCR is not completely demolished when Shady Sands is nuked. It's gets nuked later in the timeline, and is already buckling under its own weight when the nukes come (Hank was just "hastening the inevitable", because the Enclave is the true continuation of human society in his eyes, and the NCR was a pale imitation. Even without their capital, the NCR still managed to survive in its various other cities on the outskirts of LA, and remains a powerful force. With the NCR weakened and the Brotherhood empowered on the East Coast, they are pretty much equal forces, and the Brotherhood returning is the prelude to a large scale war for LA.
Don’t forget putting Shady Sands back near Death Valley, not in LA lmao
They said that second point is the case, it isn't in the show though and probably will be Season 2 material.
NCR's main federal government would be dead. but there are probably many brahmin barons taking power for themselves and a bunch of small self governing democratic towns.
How to fix most of the problems in the show in one easy step: set it in Iowa. Then the cornfield themed Vault Lucy is in makes sense and so does everything else, you run into no NCR plot conflicts and you can make up whatever you want about Moldaver and any other faction without any issues whatsoever.
yeah i dont get why they are making vault tec its own faction when the enclave is made up of government, military, and corporate figures
Are you telling me the brotherhood of steel became enclave
Yes he did,they are baddies
Brotherhood was born from the Army, Enclave was born from the government.
@@radekbejbl1west coast brotherhood have always been bad lol
Does anyone know what new vegas mod he is using to make it look that way?
I think is fallout characater overhaul
THANK YOU you are the first person ive seen actually talk about how bombing shady sands can't destroy the entire NCR. like the show makes it seem like California is an anarchic hellhole when new vegas makes it clear that California has returned to having a functioning government system with senators and politics and all that. I think the show is good for what it is but I expect it to get much worse because ignoring something so important is very very telling
i think the ncr falling makes sense but even if it fell that cant destroy the local goverments or economic development that the NCR represented
@@holidaycomplex If the Ncr is falling wouldn't ceaser's legion have pushed passed Vegas by now? Edit(ok the independent and house ending is defentaly the most plausible ending from new vegas if the ncr is falling, ceasers pigeon would not beat secutron mk 2 army, and ceasers legion didn't take over new vegas at the end of the show.)
maybe tbh as long as the explanation makes sense and is based on established lore id support it
Ceaser is probably dead by now regardless of the ending of FNV. and as literally every single character in FNV says. Without Ceaser the legion will crumble @@pointlessless2656
They never actually state that the entire NCR is gone. We only know their presence in the Los Angeles area has been severely diminished. Probably from their Capitol getting nuked. Their other forces are probably doing their best to keep peace in other parts of California. With a panicked populace. Whose capitol was just nuked.
why cant we have both interpersonal stories and large faction stories and it seems like the show is doing that...weird take
we don't get any "large faction" stories though. The Brotherhood is the only large faction actually portrayed, and we know practically nothing about what they actually believe. We don't even know what Moldaver's faction calls themselves. The show is completely uninterested in factional stuff because it seemingly takes the stance that politics are the problem to begin with, rather than the excessive consumption that drove the United States to starve the world to death.
@@BradfordCarter excessive consumption driven by imperialism and consumerism does in fact have something to do with politics
@@BradfordCartertheoretically we did get one other big Faction, Vault Tec Management, turns out they’re just as much of a faction
@@MrElmo54321 except they're not a "big" faction, they're basically like 100 executive assistants with nuclear weapons who have been hiding in secret, but also they weren't monitoring the vaults or the surface to make sure everything was going according to plan in the 200 years before Hank's wife left him? Sorry dawg, but it's not at the level of Caesar's Legion or even the Followers. The true secret villain of Fallout all along was one guy we've never seen before, who blew up civilization on the west coast because his wife left him.
@@hwroin yes, and it would be nice if the show acknowledged that instead of taking a stance that factions reproduce war because they "disagree on how to save the world," which implies that the problem is fundamentally political and ideological in nature, rather than being material. American imperialism was driven by the material interests of a capitalist political economy, which starved the world of resources and caused the United States to begin falling apart before the nukes fly. In Fallout TV we see none of that. In the intro and all the flashbacks America is doing fine, and everyone lives in Leave it To Beaver Land. For one thing the show's stance on factions and politics would be completely undermined by the Followers of the Apocalypse. Who formed in the Boneyard. Yet they're nowhere to be seen in the show about the Boneyard.
The Enclave and Vault-tec have went hand-in-hand with eachother
I just wanna say that I love the way you edit your videos, it's particularly funny and entertaining to me. That's all ❤
Granted we don't know where the show is going in Season 2, Vaul-tec discussing dropping the bombs is not the same as confirming they did.
The lore is cooked. Thanks to the show, we will never know how overall conflict between NCR and Ceaser's Legion would resolve, everyone is just a hobo, scavenger, raider or whatever. f1, f2 and nv has organic worldbuilding and progression while Bethesda's approach is making everything look like bombs fell couple of years ago. Their version of brotherhood is inconsistent, they go from wishing to help to isolated again and now it's not even possible to explain what they are. I never liked Bethesda's fallout but it feels like they don't care about their own products either
Cry about it
Bro it’s not that deep. Who gives a shit if it’s inconsistent it’s a fun show
Its currently 3:51 am, so I'm not watching this rn, but let me give you a little something. Every fallout game has had high stakes at some point. Fallout 1 beginning: find water chip. Fallout 1 end: virtual god casted out of the vault to wreak havic or save the wasteland. Fallout 2 beginning: find the G.E.C.K. . Fallout 2 end: Virtual god of the wasteland. Fallout 3 beginning: find dad. Fallout 3 end: destroy the fovernment with big Democratic robot. New vegas beginning: find who shot me and why. New vegas end: rule the Mojave wasteland. Fallout 4 beginning: find Shaun. Fallout 4 end: VIRTUAL GOD. Do you see a pattern here?
It’s more of a buildup problem with the show despite a series format giving the show some time to fully flesh out the ending punch it’s still nothing compared to a whole game of characters interactions and places for environmental storytelling. The main problem with the fallout series is that they needed a lot more time to explore and expand vault-Tec as a faction along with the brother hood of steel. The cold fusion ending is an amazing idea don’t get me wrong but a fallout ending needs fallout level build up. All in all the characters needed more time to grow and allow us the viewers to understand why everything is the way it is. Also the show is goated btw Cooper my beloved.
@theskeletonman2092 I agree, the show is fucking great
@@theskeletonman2092 He's definitely the player character
@@remimkI’m just saying. I wanna get into those wrinkles
If that’s the case then the show follows the same plot formula. Fallout show Beginning: Find dad Fallout show Ending: Dad was evil?
Someone told me if you look closely at the symbol on the undetonated bomb in fallout 3. It’s actually not the same logo as the vault-Tec one. Is that true? Cause I heard China actually dropped the bombs. Whereas vault-tec was planning on it but China beat them to it
I don't think you're supposed to be able to tell either way. That was originally the whole point; there's several good theories on who dropped the first bomb, but it's impossible to figure out who exactly it was. It's ultimately pointless because the world is ruined either way.
It was always best when the small stuff mattered. Water chips, electricity, controlling settlements, spreading beliefs, even just cutting s guys head off and delivering it somewhere. Low stakes equals a deeper world. High stakes equals a shallow story.
I hate the show and it's not just because it destroys lore. The story makes no sense. Moldova is alive 200 years later and there is no explanation. She wanted Lucy's dad but her raiders were killing people indiscriminately. What would she have done if they killed him? The show hints she was in a relationship with Lucy's mom too, but she cares nothing for the woman's children and now keeps the woman's alive in the most tortured existence ever. At the very least this woman is a psychopath but they make her the good guy? WTF? And why does this low level manager even have access to nukes?! Or the fusion code for that matter. Then their is Vault Tech's nonexistent reasoning. No destroying the economy IS NOT good business practice! You no longer have shares to protect, all money is now useless, and your customers are either dead or in vaults and CAN'T buy anything. Not to mentioned they would loose the very reason people want money to begin with, the luxuries it brings. Plus they would of made far more money making Moldova's power plants. The entire world would be paying electrical bills to Vault Tech! Entire countries would do anything they wanted just to regain stability! Even if we forget about electricity, Vault Tech would want to persevere a world ON THE BRINK of nuclear war, not want it to go into actual nuclear war. It made far more sense when they were an arm of the Enclave and it was all about getting test subjects. There reason then was a vision of a perfect future, the motivation of REAL fascism, not what idiot commiefornians think fascism is (but then they'd feel uncomfortable when they looked in a mirror). Oh, and the idea that Hollywood would have morals and gate keep bad people is highly unrealistic. Remember that EVERYONE there knew Weinstein was a predator but ignored it for the fame and money. And that before you learn about he decades of whistleblowers on child abuse (including the sexual kind) who have been been gate kept for daring to talk about it.
Bro it’s not that deep
@@HallowzDev Actually it is. People had to give Chris Avellone a hard limit on lines because of how much depth he wanted to add to everything.
I think the show itself is great, though I do think that they didn’t really give as much thought to the lore. P.S though I have heard the airship for the BOS is not The prydwen I could be wrong though.
Let's check next seasons and see how story continues to tell whether show will destroy or improve Fallout lore
could you please tell me what cartoon is it at 2:50? =)
Smiling friends
Maximus should have been a NCR recruit and swap the Brotherhood Bootcamp with an NCR one.
true, I dislike how they swapped the NCR's and Enclave's positions, the NCR is now a shambling barely alive group of a few people, and the Enclave is now a fully functioning powerful organization that has power over the wasteland
Bro is putting Smiling Friends edits in like his name is James from Idaho
Was that airship supposed to be the prydwyn specifically? The brotherhood supposedly had a fleet of the things i thought
yeah it was
@@becausezebraz good to know. I didn't look close enough because I figured it would too stupid of a decision to go with lol. I will continue to deny it for my headcanon but that's a disappointment
@@eironbull Yeah bethesda should have kept its slop over in the eastern side of the US
@@eironbull Bethesda is a game of ignoring everything you don't like and doggedly embracing and gatekeeping everything you do
@@becausezebraz Source on that? Cuz I can't find anything that says it's the Prydwen.
I really dont understand where you got the impression that in the show the Enclave was Vault-Tec, or that Vault-Tec has some sort of faction somewhere. No one came to save Hank when he was captured by Moldaver, and Bud is clearly on his own at Vault 31.
At 0.75 speed this ADHS inducing fever dream becomes watchable.
lol i put every video i watch at 2x
I watched it at 2x speed because I have actual adhd and I want to consume this video fast
@@mildintensity5052same
I kinda want the Legion to have Vegas. I don’t know why.
Ain't happening. Look at the showrunners records and you will see what's their agenda.
@@chrisbj5251 I just wamma see dem fight the bos
@@chrisbj5251 what is their agenda?
… somebody didn’t read the in game lore… There have been several hints that Vault-Tec dropped the first nukes to ensure that vaultec wouldn’t become destitute. Also… Every. Single. Fallout. Game. Revolved. Around. The. Highest. Of. Stakes. Can we just be happy that ONE gaming franchise was not sacrificed at the alter of “political correctness…” Fuck dude after GoT and The Witcher… I needed this, just let us enjoy it
You seem to mean well. In fact I’d probably agree with 90% of the stuff you do. Except I felt the show WAS sacrificed on the altar like you describe. 😓 Instead of elder scrolls 6 or fallout 5 we got fallout tv, and eso. Fallout 4 was also mid except for the environment and world building.
I think a lot of the things you are worried about are still not set in stone. We know about Vault Tecs intentions before the war, we do not know what happened in the following years and their position in the current timeframe of the show. Season 2 will likely involve the Enclave heavily and we'll learn how it ties into Vault Tec's *intentions*. All we heard was somebody saying yeah we should do this. But it's such a huge plot detail in the franchise that I'm pretty sure it will be adressed later.
I dunno but Maximmus fucking sucks he's such a bad character not even joking
Fallout New Vegas was extremely high stakes lmao, its literally deciding not on the fate of yourself, but also of an entire US state, and possibly of another major city if you take in account the DLC. Like, lmao, the stakes can still be extremely high, higher than ever before, and take in account previous lore.
There´s an order of magnitude of difference between fighting over the Mojave and hoover dam and the story of adventurers looking to bring down a 250 year old illuminati faction that can wipe out any semblance of civilization in the Wasteland that's following a plan to eliminate any society that could develop itself enough to be a threat or ''competition'' over the course of centuries. Like, Vietnam is high stakes enough but wouldn´t be as high stakes as an alien invasion of earth. That's what the guy meant.
one thing I don't get is his wife is on about them dropping the bomb themselves and she's all about getting into the best vault for her family but they drop them when her husband and daughter are at a party essentially killing them so just a little inconsistent unless she didn't have a hand in the time but they make it seem like she does in the meeting. The thing with shadey sands as well so vault 33 has nukes and can just launch them whenever ? when it was shown to have been done pre bombing i assumed it was the brother hood of steel maybe they found one and were like screw the ncr and that was a turning point for them to be a big faction but then it was her dad because he got annoyed his wife liked it there more lmao.
how did you mod new vegas to look like that?
He's most probably using UCO for the character models
Modded New Vegas Footage is me :D. Honestly I modded the game so long ago I don't really remember most of the specifics. But I used stuff like Ruby's ENB, Interior Lighting Overhaul, Ultimate Character Overhaul, FNV Realistic Wasteland Lighting, Electro-City and the NMC Texture Pack. It's a massive pain from memory but it makes the game look like the GTA remaster so yay! :D
@@Typoh_YT wow! Thank you!
I think the show is just like a regular Fallout game from Bethesda. I had fun and liked it, not perfect tough. But i liked it. The fans of Fallout are dangerous like a Deathclaw or a Cazador.
Which deathclaws we talking about. 4 or new Vegas? There’s a massive difference between the two
@@huskycruxes7232Yeah, 4/76 deathclaws are threatening, but most go down easy if you have some decent gear 3/NV deathclaws are weaker individually than in 4/76, but attack as a pack so they are more dangerous overall 1/2 deathclaws though… best to avoid those nightmares if you can
every fandom has that loud minority but fallout is clearly reasonable on why they choose to speak out to the shit writing. So stop antagonizing fans that want the series to actually improve.
@@klbn6 I'm not talking just about the series. Just look at the forever war of Obsidian fans vs Bethesda fans.
@@Sundownerpilled the ones in 4 are so threatening that you fight one within 5 minutes of leaving the Vault. Amazing.
I feel like the political ideologies will be introduced in season 2. The 1st season probably didn't go into these things due to major audiences
The showrunners do not have the finesse to change the narrative like that, just look at their previous projects.
i just dropped the show after 3 episodes and people are still hoping for a renewal for season 2. god forbid the normies ever see bethesda's take on fallout. oh wait...
Lol the showrunners aren't that smart.
Can't wait for that lore to get twisted and perverted to meet modern media political propaganda criteria. "White man bad, Bipoc victim of bad white man" is a story I have never heard, and I can't wait to hear it told wearing the face of an IP I love.
You're overthinking it. This is a show made for a wide audience. It sucks that it might retcon some things or not follow the path you or I want (as fans of the games) but it's a good show overall. Your average audience doesn't know who the Enclave is/was. They don't know about the various side quests and characters who you might have come across in various games. We can complain about vault-tec being the main villain, but that's what the average person is most likely to know about when it comes to FO, so it makes sense to make them the bad guy. The show isn't an open world for one person to wake up, go through various dialogues, and determine what faction they want to side with. It's a commentary on capitalism and its unending need to consume for profit, regardless of the consequences. People can always say that they played all the games or that they know the "real" narrative, but the writers had to go in a direction. Any direction. And that direction was going to disappoint any number of original fans. All that said, it's *miles* better than the HALO show.
General audience thing is totally true. You don’t wanna bombard a new audience with a stupid amount of lore but the whole argument kinda falls apart when you realise they had other options. California in universe is a location steeped with so much lore and baggage. Show easily could’ve avoided retcons or stepping on anything’s toes by simply changing location to another state with not as much baggage. (New Orleans, Texas, Wyoming, North and South Dakota, any other random US states) if the show is canon and actively making the decision to set it in a lore rich location. I think it’s fair game to bring up the problem of continuity. They had other options
Even for a wide audience who know nothing about the games, so many things in this show are written poorly, there's plot holes, decisions that make no sense etc.
I like in Daredevil he says "I'm just one guy"
Honestly, after watching the show, I love it. I don’t play the games but I have watched a ton of videos on the lore (and especially New Vegas) and love the world. The only problem I really have with the show is how they dealt with the NCR and Shady Sands. They did a horrible job of introducting this faction in the show, and I didn’t even compute that that last fight had the NCR in it until the flag flew across the battlefield. Also the destruction of Shady Sands feels unnecessary. Like a deveststing event for no reason other than shock value
You’re better than most of the new fans. They don’t give a damn to learn about the past games yet still defend the show like they’re on Bethesda’s pay roll. If you ever get the time you definitely should play the games cause its very immersive experiencing the story through your own choices.
@@McLovin-zf7wq I would reccomend anyone whose enjoyed the series to play the games, especially new vegas (I would reccomend starting with 3 tho)
>I don’t play the games >after watching the show, I love it Yeah, that checks out.
@@S0REN_ glad to see you read the first 2 lines only and then didn’t address the rest, great cherry picking, well done.
Apart disrespecting the lore and the source material (except the aesthetic, that is the only good thing), and being full of nonsense just for the sake of "shock value", it's inconsistent with it's own lore. Pipboy picks radiation? Only after the party and sex scene please, no matter with that much radiation you should all glow. We know nothing about the surface? You are a raiders sound the alarm! razor blades in the boot? no stimpak for you! You need a squire to bring a giant sack of needs for a Knight mission? Drop it the next scene and never see it again. Gonna harvest your organs? Let me fix a rotten finger before! Power armor is so strong that you can throw a rock after the horizon? yeah punch a bear and tickle it instead of pulverizing his bones! The list can go on endlessly. Who cares about the lore, but at least be consistent within your own world. Take the story, write it down re read it without the nice visuals, and see if you will love it still. They cannot go 2 minutes without contradicting what happened few seconds before. It is a theme park ride where you need to completely suspend your disbelief to enjoy the visuals and that's all there is to it sadly.
The biggest problems I have with the show is that: 1- This is a quick one but it makes no sense for California to be this much of a Wasteland after more than 200 years still 2- Even if it is supposed to be this baron land the show does quite a poor job imo to show how dangerous it is really. Lucy is the typical naive Vault Dweller on the wasteland, in Fallout 1 it was a real possibilty to get killed by radiated rats just in front of the Vault door if you're fresh new to the game, let alone hundreds of dangerous encounters you can come by just in the first hours of the game. You can literally enter the wrong hatch and get murdered by illegal organ traffickers in one of the first settlements you encounter. In the show Lucy may as well have a 10 Luck stat in her S.P.E.C.I.A.L. as she never gets hurt in a real manner and is never confronted by an actually terrifying threat by her own. Just one Jurassic Park velociraptors in the kitchen type of scene with a Deathclaw or something similar would've been enough. 3- This, being the biggest one, is about the show only hinting at the original message of the entire OG Fallout games which is 'War never changes'. They hint at it really well with some scenes showing that it is human nature to have conflict and as long as there are humans, Wars will still be fought, which is too bleak of a concept apparently so they decided to put all the blame on a company or at the very least Capitalism in general. This is the biggest fault of the show I think as even the Bethesda games didn't go this far to blame just one big thing.
1) I mean it was still pretty bad in fallout and 2. Besides that's just bethesda fallout in general for you, wish it would change tho. 2) I mean that wasn't exactly the point of the show and even then they succeeded pretty well. Did you miss the part where a bos knight got taken out rather quickly? 3) I don't get what you're trying to state here. They were just subtle enough with it but not too heavy handed either.
@@RedAlpha101 1) Kind of agree 2) Lucy is either never in real threat or the show isn't bold enough to really hurt her in any significant way. She just gets lucky too often which feels like lazy writing at times. 3) The main message of the OG Fallout game was that as long as Humanity exists, Wars will happen because conflict is Human Nature. Now the problem with the show imo is that they mention this from time to time with lines like 'Everybody had a different idea of saving the world' but at the end of the day they didn't fully commit to it and instead blamed the bombings on a 'Corporation profiting from the end of the wold' which, at least for me, is not as interesting as the original message that it's not the fault of one big central figure but just Human Nature. This was the whole point of the games, the real reason you had to choose your factions, had to choose sides in the conflicts. Many quests in New Vegas for example have different outcomes with compelling arguments for each of them so you have to choose for yourself (The quest about NCR's stolen water supplies for example). Having one big central threat to everything diminishes this fundamental quality of the series.
@@janugur2241 You talking about OG Fallout's 'message' you have got to be kidding me 🤣 Whatever the 'original message' was doesn't matter, over time it's evolved very much more to 'corporations profit over people's suffering'. You need to go outside and touch grass, bud. It ain't that deep.
@@_MythicalWolf Brother, the way you speak and your preference of phrases and words tell me the fact that you have no personality of your own and are just mimicking whatever you see on the internet which in turn concludes us that it is you who should be touching grass.
@@_MythicalWolf'it ain't that deep' mentality is why a lot of shows and media recently released are so safe, monotonous and boring in their theming. it's not a degenerative/terminally online POV to expect more from shows. To showrunners and other media producers, there's no reason to create proper worldbuilding, or setup complex, compelling narratives. especially if the majority of viewers don't care if the narrative gets dumbed down. IMO i agree with janugur2241's critiques. the capitalism=bad theme is so shallow and overdone. the fallout show doesn't throw any morally ambiguous situations to the viewer, or allow them to come up with their own opinions. for an adaption of a narratively driven role-playing game, you'd expect a lot more depth
This man…you were playing anchors away in one of those clips…I know because that’s what the navy and marines play during our ceremonies…it was too fitting. I hate that I picked up on it because it was so faint
Wait… I thought that the Enclave basically owned vault tec?????
There’s nothing in the show that currently contradicts that and there’s some teases showing that’s the case.
Honestly the more I think about it, if the show was isolated and not connected to the games, it would be a good twist, that this mega capitalist corporation would commit a genocide to sell the vaults, but because of the established lore it is simply fucking stupid that they are a MODERN faction. Like what? Like you said, he nuked a city that mimics the old government that was started by vault dwellers. They turned a faction, whose biggest strength was numbers, into a small remnant. It gives me the same feeling as when I walked out of Rise of Skywalker: I enjoyed it, but the more I think about it after, the more upset and angry I get at the issues
It’s not about selling the vaults, it’s about reshaping society into a highly technocratic and managed one. The vaults are just a mechanism to test out the conditions of this new society. It’s one of the better arcs of the show if you ask me, especially with how it ties with the Enclave’s plan in F2.
I’m pretty sure Vault tec didn’t drop the bombs. Someone beat them to the punch
@@anothernobody1804 well from what they were insinuating in the show was that they were the ones that dropped them. I could be wrong tho.
It wouldn’t make sense fore Vault-Tec to drop the bombs in 2077 since some of their vaults were incomplete. They probably were beaten to it but not by much.
@@fishqueen1702 Personally I dont think they dropped the bombs because why would she let her daughter not be in a vault when the time comes? I think it was more showing that they are willing to
Nice approach to the topic, focussing on what was lost from what was built, which I think is the biggest reason so many Fans of Fallout vitrioly hate the show. I am one of them, I hate what they did with the lore, I hate their approach to story telling, their thematic approach, their cartoon villains and on top of that. We barely have any good writting. The characters could be interesting but they are surrounded by idiocy and the moments that are supposed to build them and change them, are built on contrivances and plotholes. They backtrack developpements, undo injuries and press a restart everytime the characters are suppose to learn something. It feels half assed. It feels like the writters were so divided that everytime someone wrote a scene, the characters had to be in the exact same condition when it was done, so that the next team of writer could also do whatever they wanted. Most of the show ends up feeling like fillers. This is not even talking about how the show adapted the game as a parody, but again, in a half assed way. So many people defend the stupid moments of the show with the ''It's like the game mechanics'' excuse. But this furthers the point that the Show is a poor adaptation of Fallout as a setting. Med-X is Morphine, in universe, it's a pain medication, it doesn't actually reduce the damage you take, yet people excuse the ghoul taking deadly damage with this. ''just like in the game''. Imagine if we make a Resident Evil movie where the character can't grab a key because he has six objects in his backpack. This is the level of idiocy the show has. It's not a good adaptation of the Universe. It's a parody of it, adapted through the lense of a game, but also done half assed.
Even as a show it's abysmal, not just as a Fallout adaptation. It's so bad it's hilarious to me. I had fun picking it appart and laughed at how cringeworthy the writting was.
god i hate the "its part of the game!! look how faithful we are to it!" agrument. i dont know what people are on when they pull that take out of their ass because that means they are agruing from a point of where the show is consistent with their story, when its not...
The flanderization of Bethesda Fallout continues.
@@bickboose9364 no
I agree, I genuinely think I can't play any more Bethesda games in case I get this angry to what they do next.
What mod makes new Vegas look like that
But its never confirmed vault tech started the great war? Its merely suggested they could
Annoyingly high stakes? You mean finding her father? Like fallout 3?? Yeah those stakes are so high…..
If I had a nickel for every cowboy gunslinger ghoul that was alive before the war, I'd have two nickles! Which isn't a lot but its weird it happened twice 🤔
Did tge show fully confirm that Vault-Tec actually ended up dropping the bombs? Cause in the meeting they planned it out and convinced the members there that this is Vault-Tec's proposition for the vaults program, but i don't think it was fully confirmed if the Chinese didn't end up actually dropping the nukes before Vault-Tec could.
It would be so cool to see a show about a vault dweller, who's ventured into the unknown, thinking about how they gonna repopulate the earth from the vault, discovers new factions like NCR, Ghouls from the Dayglow, Intelligent Supermutants, Barons, Crime Families, even a small Brotherhood of Steel chapter in the NCR territory, learns about the new world and that people are still living and building, I guess like the courier from Fallout NV when it's your first playthrough, and you discover new factions for the first time, or when you visit New Reno for the first time in Fallout 2. But nah, bomb boom, everyone dead. Look! Ruins! SO COOOL! COWBOY HATS AND SHEET METAL HOUSING FOR EVERYONE! Just like the 3-rd game. Bethesda and Todd are like small childrens that just wants to play in a sandbox all day. -Okay Todd, you showed us your shacks and Mad Max wasteland, but people are gonna rebuild overtime, maybe you could make some new big factions? Maybe some new cities? -NO! PEOPLE IN METAL CANS GO PEW PEW AND SHACK VILLAGES! GO SAVE FAMILY FOR THE 100 TIME!
Todd Howard Marvelized Fallout...
Aka the flanderization of another franchise.
@@chrisbj5251 Yeah...
Just like every other franchise on earth. Sad.
Mauler vid pretty much said everything wrong with this show. Burning the legacy Lore and IP core identity for the sake to appeal the common dominator always lead to disaster. Is like Disney Star Wars all over again.
My favorite part of the show was singing along to the radio songs that someone my age has no business knowing.
Love this channel so much
You calling low-stakes storytelling "Mickey Mouse Plotting" is very confusing because you compare high-stakes storytelling to Marvel and Star-Wars which are both owned by Disney.
I think he got it off of Lebron haters calling his ring a mickey mouse ring back in 2020. Guess it could be used as a term for something being "lesser"
He has a point but it's so forced ngl
RIP Fallout 1 and 2 the into cinematic has better writing than the entire show
Yep
I love how you don’t mention fallout 76 in the beginning explanation of fallout
Because 76 is garbage. Not worth mentioning. It's Todd Howard fanfiction.