Why was Pre-Sequel so HATED? - Remembering Borderlands (Chapter 3)
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Leading up to the 1 year anniversary of Borderlands 3, I'll be releasing a mini documentary style review of the previous Borderlands games. In this video we'll be taking a look at Borderlands The Pre-Sequel, which launched in 2014. Thanks for the overwhelming support on the series so far! I really hope I’m doing a good job on these for you guys :)
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My favorite thing about the pre sequel was the roster. Also, how talkative your characters were. The skill trees were great too, and so were the colors. Gameplay was solid and I didn’t mind the oxygen.
The only cool playable characters were Wilhelm and Jack the rest sucked ass
Yeah TPS was the first game where we saw the playable Hunter's personalities. We didn't learn much of anything about the Lilith's bunch until 2, and most of what we learned about 2's Hunters was a handful of ECHOlogs in the last half of the game and their Idle dialogues.
@@Chokah Gaige has her backstoray on youtube only, which is awesome. Her father's voice actor sounds very familiar, but I can't put a name to that voice, and it is infuriating me to no end.
Loved wilhelm
@@ilimitadouc 🧢
I don't understand the hate for this game. I found it so so fun and the world itself is so memorable for me
It’s a good game but compared to the first two to be honest it was a bit of a disappointment I wasn’t even watching video game reviews at the time so it wasn’t really a biased take I had seen some videos here and there and their titles basically saying it wasn’t good compared to the other two that’s about it
@@godwintalking4724 its a pre sequel for a reason
@@godwintalking4724 in my opinion! borderlands 1 is by far the worst of the series. But thats understandable since it was the first of its kind. I dont get how borderlands 1 could be better. If so.. please share. I also played borderlands 1 in 2010 during its prime. I loved it! But i just don't see it better than pre- sequel
Same I really liked it Proply my favorite of all of them
That's because it wasn't actually "hated". That's hyperbole used in the video title to drive traffic. At best, longtime fans felt that TPS was a bit lackluster following BL2. But then BL2 was always and forever going to be a hard act to follow.
It's crazy how BL3 allowed more people to finally appreciate this game more
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Same it took me call of duty all the new ones to relise that call of duty ghosts was a great story but never had a proper sequel not gonna lie I still want a sequel to ghosts
@@jonathanoxlade4252 Ghost had potential. Still my favorite perk system of any cod, too bad the maps were goofy large on MP.
@@jonathanoxlade4252 yeah I agree I don’t think ghost was terrible and I actually really liked extinction obv it’s not as good as zombies but the potential was there and coulda set the stage for a new game mode instead of every cod being the same modes
The Handsome Jack collection helped too since you got both BL2 & TPS with all the dlc
the extra mobility was such a boon for pre-sequel I often find myself still trying to double jump when replaying 2
Because the game is so lazily based on BL2 that it literally uses copy-paste, hence you get confused due to how similar the games look and feel.
@@Archive385 exactly like wonderlands using the same engine as 3, but just being a much worse version of 3. It added spells and nerfed every item it copied, added a small amount of new stuff, and started with less than half as much stuff as 3 started with
@@undeadinside3571 it is exactly like that. Honestly crazy to me that they didn't learn from their mistakes here.
@@Archive385 it’s not “lazily based” it’s reusing an engine. It just makes sense.
@@frankiecedeno3724 Foolish, it's not just "reusing an engine". It reuses assets and code for BL2 as well. You can literally get items that should not be obtainable in TPS using 3rd party programs. This is ignoring the already existing items which are just reskins or even just renames of items from BL2. The only thing that makes sense is how lazy the developers were. Thanks for incorrecting me!
He strangles him, choking is something you do with food.
Ha! someone played his side missions in borderlands 2!
@@larrydotson2625 Pretty sure all of the fans played all of the side-quests in bl2. They were interesting, memorable, and fun. Some of them, like the kill yourself quest, become their own memes. Compare to the pre-sequel, and try to name at least one side-quest that was memorable. At least with bl3 some of the side-quests were decent, so that's a plus.
@@fare-5174 I liked the side quests in bl3 well enough. I also enjoyed some of the pre sequel stuff. The cuties quest was funny, a hippie hypocrite with repressed anger. The Diedra quest was funny, kill her twin so her obsessed ex leaves her alone. Last request was funny, real time reactions from a dead guy. Mr Torgue and his lazer envy. Second playthrough was unique because Tina was in the background giving an explanation to why everything was tougher. Then axton shows up with gaige for the third playthrough. I enjoyed the game overall.
I had to delete the comment I just wrote because you beat me to the punch.
I don't think Pre-Sequel deserved all the hate it got, but it's definitely understandable WHY people hated it, what with the lack of content and the questionable gameplay decisions made. I think it was summed up best at the GDQ Co-Op speedrun of the game; "It has every right to be a better game than BL2, it just isn't."
...Garbage SJW social agendas, bad writing (which happens when you have SJWs working on your game), long, unfocused plot that drags on and accomplishes nothing other than ruining a bunch of established characters... Awkward and often mediocre skills, lots of half assed mechanics, some of the new additions are nice but they're altogether overshadowed by an assortment of flaws, some that aren't even new and should have been fixed a long time ago (wonky vehicle physics and moon buggies don't mix). Oh, and it's absolutely unfunny. The humor of BL2 is just gone altogether. Again, letting SJWs write pretty much destroys any potential a game can have. People who live inside a delusional ideological funhouse world can't write anything even remotely relatable, and thus they can't write humor. It's certifiably a stinker. The ONLY thing the game does better than BL2 is the scaling. Which is what killed BL2 for me. BL2 had some frankly garbage problems in the gameplay department too, but it's a rare case of writing and setting saving an otherwise fundamentally flawed game. That simply wasn't there for TPS.
@@YourIdeologyIsDelusional I will be entirely honest; until I reached the end, I thought you were talking about BL3, because I forgot I commented here.
@@YourIdeologyIsDelusional BL3 is even worse when it comes to SJW writing.
@@spiderjeranimo4992 I'm not surprised, and frankly, it's already on my sh!tlist. I'm boycotting almost anything that so much as touches the Epic store.
@@YourIdeologyIsDelusional kind of confused. I thought it was short, and singularly focused on getting back on the space station to regain control of the laser.
Honestly the story of the Pre-Sequel Is probably the darkest story out of the entire series, you witness some pretty shocking stuff through out the game, especially seeing 3 innocent scientists who only wanted to help then getting thrown Into space to die.
As a casual player who never grinds much, I loved pre-sequel. The low gravity, laser weapons, and most of all the Australian influence was fantastic.
I actually think this game got better with age. It was a bit of an acquired taste compared to the other games
My biggest dislike was just how empty all the maps felt to me. It seemed like a running simulator and I never got into it like I did BL2. Enjoyed the story, but only did one playthrough.
Yeah, I know the game is set on the moon, but my god, at least be creative with the maps and stop reminding us all the time that we are on the barren moon. Too much craters, space and drab building interiors unfortunately.
I remember I would spend hours traveling around the map looking to see if there was any secret areas that led to something cool, but nah just wasted time and disappointment
@@Tempus0ptic it had secrets though...
I've done four playthroughs and the story is fine but there's not much to do after. The claptrap dlc is really really good
That was my main thing as well. "Dungeons" were well designed, whenever I was in a ship or whatever the low-g gameplay was fun, but the larger map between locations was poorly designed and a chore each time. I even liked the vehicles, but only one of them had a race and the course was poorly designed for the vehicle it used. (I actually think it would have worked better for the hover bike instead of the rover.) And then there was Deadlift, but I think that is more of a personal issue so we won't discuss it here...
When Pre Sequel was released - "Holy shit, this is bad. What a letdown" After BL3 was released - "Damn, I miss Pre Sequel, it wasn't that bad TBH"
I miss claptrap as a playable character 😢
said nobody
You mean nobody ever said that?
Tbh i dont think 3 is that bad other than the villains and ava i thought it was pretty enjoyable
@@Tycool243 I agree. I was really late to BL3 because of the Prequel, but still think it's overall a better game than the Prequel.
One thing I loved is how when you went through wilhelms skill tree he would slowly sound more robotic
I love TPS. My favourite part is the characters, I love how it doesn’t follow the classic siren/soldier/sniper/meleee that both Bl1 and 2 follow. I also like how some of the characters are morally better than others and throughout Jacks decent to madness we get to see this. It’s a shame we got no further DLC as I would’ve loved the direction they may have took Nisha, Aurelia (before BL3) and Athena
true that. it's weird playing Zane when all I can think of is Jack.
Neverstopz imo the vault hunters in BL3 are very bland and don’t have nearly enough lore around them :(
@@itsatomic0389 oh I agree, I was referring to the clone mechanics
@@itsatomic0389 what's the problem with the Vault Hunters in Borderlands 3
Couldnotic I just don’t think we know enough about them, Moze’s backstory has potential and could lead to some sort of war against Vladof. I definitely think the problem is we just don’t know enough abt them. Gameplay wise I like Zane Moze and Flak however I can’t comment on Amara as I haven’t finished the story w her
Yep, liked the game. It's a shame we never got another DLC to round it out and get to max level (72?)
Pre sequel was a separate developer, so it could’ve gone over if they did another DLC. 69 is just what they ended up choosing
You get your action skill two levels earlier than in BL2 so until Commander Lilith came out they had the same number of skill points.
It's level 70, no need to go to 72 or a need to stop at "haha xd 69"
Yeah but Borderlands the Pre-Sequel also had certain skills that would clear an entire row for a tree
The funny part is that the DLC which would have been made for TPS would be very simular to what we got in BL3: Kind of Jack's Casino but more a vacation resort. (And then 2K Australia was closed and the DLC was cancelled)
There was apparently a dlc taking place on a cruise ship full of zombie monsters but it got cancelled and a piece of me died when I heard that
Omg that sounds so unique😭 Those goddamn haters man…
I'm playing it for the first time now. So far, so weird. I think the vending machines are a huge improvement over BL2. I actually get excited about the weapon of the day, and I've scrambled to find money to beat timer a few times. I think the story of Jack's turn from ok guy to villain is good -- except something about it bothers me...didn't he have his daughter strapped to a chair somewhere the whole time?
Rriight?!
You might get some mildly satisfying answers in BL3
The only issues with the vending machines, is the money you both don't get much and everything is really pricy
@@ps4nowwoot972 True, but I got to a point near the end of normal mode where I had enough money to buy most things. Also as the game progressed I needed the special items less, because what I had was better. Farming Iwajira solves everything.
A small but nice detail is that, in Jack' Office, at his desktop, theres a photo of Angel. But, after the final mission and going back, the photo is now looking down, like Jack doesn't want small Angel to see him like that I think Jack put Angel in the chair by fear that Angel could damage anyone around her, so, in a way, it was for the best. Maybe if Jack didn't became Handsome Jack, he would have let Angel free after discovering more about sirens without trying to use her to charge the Vault Key.
I personally loved the game. Only a step below BL2 imo. You can see pre-sequel influence in BL3 as well: slam attacks, digi-clones and a drone for Zane, cryo stuck around as well
Honestly, when I saw Zane, I thought to myself "so he is a Jack's doppelganger RIP off..."
Yeah, but does anyone actually use slam attacks in BL3? Unless you hit the crouch button *right* at the apex of a (normal) jump, it won't register.
@@guilhermehank4938 it's one clone that's more a random feature of his kit, but he also has a lot of other previous characters skills (Axton's shield, Wilhelm drone and laser canon, etc.) That being said, the unique synergy of all those skills plus clone teleporting made him feel a helluva lot more unique than any of those other characters gameplay wise (shame though that the game doesn't really have NPCs uniquely acknowledge each character like they did in bltps).
@@whisperingshadowXI I think Zane is the most fun vault hunter in the series tbh
My second favourite borderlands game behind 2 personally. Blasphemy regarding the original, I know, but something about this game man, I absolutely love it.
Can you imagine if we got 3 other DLCs on the same level as the Claptastic Voyage? We've gotta take more time before hating things.
Just imagine if TPS came out in the Year 2020. I can just see alot of Borderlands players taking to the streets rioting over the lack of content in TPS...
Exactly! To many solid games (including this one) we're cut short because people can't handle that 20% of the content doesn't line up with their expectations.
What! You mean reacting to something without waiting for all the evidence (all DLCs) is a bad thing!?
@star burns i agree with you. The game started out bad and people judged it fairly. This is coming from a person who really enjoyed tps.
Claptastic voyage out does most other dlcs in my opinion and is one of my favorites besides the first games dlcs
The whole thing always seemed, and even now feels fresh. They gave the best movement and weapon types in the series to a one off, already cementing it as one of my favorites; but it felt so thoughtful in the way it handled Borderlands' pathos. This series has always been about small kindnesses. This game touches on that fantastically
brad armstrong
What do you mean?
@@chrisg5219 The movement fucks cause moonscaper+Logans gun. The series is about small kindnesses because the games are predominately cruel. Even "good guys" are vicious bastards. The game is at its height when empathy is being exhibited. Sparing lives, giving gifts, being gentle with Tiny Tina after Roland's death, collecting a holo-tape of a loved one, accepting a weirdo into your community. Pre-sequel is full of these moments, that, admittedly: are not fresh in my mind
it was mainly hated because the lvling was so painful, it took so extremely long to get to 70
i freaking loved the pre-sequel. played it for the first time in 2019 and im still playing with friends from time to time. its a great game that doesn't deserve the hate.
My dad enjoyed it but thought the xp progression was messed up. I agree that the xp scaling and progression is messed up as you level up fairly slowly without lots of farming. I go t to the Sentinel at level 44 (TVHM) and I had to farm RK5 for several levels so I wouldn't be underleveled.
@@snakeywakey3893 i remember that happening to me somewhat in BL2 as well if i didn't do any farming in that playthrough but i usually did anyway for dpuh and stuff so i was usually ready for the warrior. less so for zarpedon and the sentinel in TPS tho
Facts i love it too
I bought it when it came out and i play it more now than ever but played it on and off over the years (mostly because i can only play switch now)
imo tps is in the opposite side of the spectrum when it cones to story/gameplay ratio compared to borderlands 3
I felt the same thing as well, looking back on it. I will say I prefer TPS over BL3 for that very reason, though. I'd rather have a diamond in the rough than a shiny turd.
「Vault Star」 well said.
The ending for Pre Sequel got me unbelievably hyped for Borderlands 3.... I still like Borderlands 3 alot but I was hoping for a full on war
There are people trying to cope with bl3 saying "this wasn't the war that hasnt happened yet" I think it was, personally wanted to face the full force of dahl or even vladof.
@@ralcogaming7674 it didn’t even feel like a war. Game just feels hollow
Borderlands 3 ignored so much from Tales from the Borderlands & Pre-Sequel, where is Fiona the Vault Hunter? Where are Gortys and Loader Bot? Sasha? Fiona herself could've been a playable character alongside Tina who was a fan favorite choice. Tina would've followed in Roland's footsteps instead she was relegated to the "B-Team." Athena's plot point was big by the end of Pre-Sequel and was just ignored in BL3, not even a mention. Athena herself wasn't even mentioned nor referenced.
@@kevinsiu3769 It just felt like a few battles. The War aspect was so underwhelming.
@@route77productions where was the guardian guy
I loved how the characters would react and each character would be different, it really made me want to go back and see them all.
"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain", This quote fits Handsome Jack so well after Pre-Sequel because during, we see his decent into madness first hand.
I don't think TPS was a bad game. I really enjoyed it in my opinion. I liked the laser weapons, those were pretty fun to use! Also liked the space atmosphere and environment! It was also interesting how Jack became...Handsome Jack as you progress through the story. So yeah, I really enjoyed this game! Also loved the Claptastic Voyage DLC on this one! Shame there's no endgame content though.
Yeah really. I remember on a number of SupMatto videos and other Borderlands KZhead channels over the years I defended my choice to like and even appreciate John then John becoming Handsome Jack. Mostly because the way I saw it Jack was genuinely one of the most awesome people you could possibly befriend. At least until you went back to Helios and Jack went from being a lovable a-hole like Bruce Campbell as Ashley in Ash VS The Evil Dead TV show to someone you wanted to distance yourself from... right after he signed your morbidly obese paycheck. I see find that The Pre-Sequel perfectly encapsulates the very essence of the Borderlands franchise -- "This is ain't no place where heroes belong!". I find Claptrap's DLC to be as vital to Tiny Tina's DLC for BL2. Specifically for the character development of both characters. Prior to both DLCs Tiny Tina is genuinely very much like Ava from BL3 -- totally unlikable. After Tiny Tina's DLC you see she is truly is uncontrollably sobbing on the inside as she desperately deals with Roland's untimely death. With Claptrap's DLC you see that he is not a POS robot. You see that he is one of the most unique and lovable robots possibly put in a video game to date. His Robot Heart is made of gold. "He's not scared of being lonely. He's scared of other people's loneliness. You see, his heart extends outward to other people!". Now that is some damn fine writing right there!
Uh pal................ "space?" "atmosphere?"
Never really played past level 10 in the game. Put around 1000 hours into borderlands 2. Put it in tonight really enjoying it.
You can't lie, the last chapters had the coolest looking locations for a final area
My biggest issue with borderlands 3 is the lack of endgame content, we are approaching one year into its life cycle and we only have 2 takedowns. Another issue is how long/tedious the story feels if you're doing all the characters
Yeah I agree. I'd say the story felt tedious with just playing with one character. Mechanically it's a good game, but the game feels tired and seems to lack the charm that the other ones had.
The story felt non existent. Gameplay is fantastic but the story is trash. The DLCs have a more in depth story. It only takes a few hours to run thru the game with each character.
I'm a little disappointed that some manufacturers cut out weapons including Hyperion pistols and Tediore Rocket Launches.
Takedowns are the biggest waste of time. I can't believe how excited people get for them. The worst thing about Borderlands 3 was how boring the combat was, I definitely don't want to spend my time to go through ANOTHER enemy gauntlet. What BL3 really needed was an incentive to do anything. Enemies were too easy, no point in getting better weapons, the story was a dumpster fire, no reason to play through it, and the character trees are pretty dull, no reason to level up. BL3 was so close to being an awesome game but they traded their fantastic cast and interesting world building for a really watered down coming of age story dominated by stronk women. It is also pretty stupid that the story completely ignores the player character and instead pretend Lilith and the little girl actually contributed. I'm generally not a fan of the idea that a game isn't good because they don't keep adding more things to do after you've beaten the game. That's a silly motivation to play a game, especially when there's already plenty to challenge yourself with. A game isn't good because it just isn't good.
@@threemar3 idk man, I think objectively the game is best, there's just so many gameplay features that I find really helpfull
You pretty much hit the nail on the head on this one. I feel pretty much the same, as a Borderlands fan for many years, I too think this game is way underrated. It had a rough start, like for a long while but all ended well in the end with patches. Also the community patch for this game was pretty good, it's what made me rerun the game a couple of times again in anticipation of BL3. Also.... Lasers....
Fighting Bosun was a pain when I was a few levels too low. I'm so glad Red and Belly were farmable, because I don't think you can farm Deadlift or Flameknuckle
Deadlift is farmable but not flame knuckle, I got the games recently and have been loving them so much than in less than 2 years I’ve racked up over 1,000 hours combined of PS, BL2, Tales, and BL1 enhanced. The only game that comes close to those hours is team fortress 2, a game I’ve had for over 3 years and have collectively over 1,600 hours in.
Fighting the bosun was funny as hell "Youre a creep mister."
Flameknuckle is only farmamble in the Holodome, he reappears in the repayable Badass round.
@@FrahdChikun sadly, the holodome used up one of the only DLCs we could've gotten. If we got that luxy DLC instead of holodome, the game would be much better over all. If i ever play the pre-sequel again, it'll be to replay the claptastic voyage (best DLC of the franchise IMO)
I loved how all the environments in the game looked, especially the later stages and everything in Claptastic Voyage
Aside from the voice acting, the back tracking level design, the non-repeatable farming, and the missing 2nd campaign DLC that was promised but never delivered, it was a good game. I have many hours in it.
Agreed, a lot of the voice acting to me was just really bad
What's wrong with backtracking?
@@darkrain491 I don't feel like it was executed as well as it could have been in the game. I can be fine if done correctly.
@@spiderpaws7750 what voice acting that was bad ?
A lot of enemies can be farmed now. Flame Knuckle is one of the exceptions (unless you count Holodome)
Recently replayed Pre Sequel, it’s still my fav of the series. The hate genuinely confuses me.
I didn't think the game was as bad as people say... course people do have there opinions
@@4ded5 I have no issue if it was made under the same engine as BL2, this is due to the overall presentation, pacing and vibe the vanilla game gives that it would pass more of a DLC rather than a separate game. Although BL2 has 19 chapters, the pre sequel's 11 chapters felt so stretched out.
@@rdu239 true
The gameplay felt kinda slow compared to BL2 and it was notorious for having frame skips that were not fixed until it was too late. And as he said in the video- lack of farmable loot. You know- the thing people wanted to play a borderlands game for in the first place. While I loved the story I physically couldnt push myself through the game until the DLC charas came out. Nisha was too strong, Clap trap was too annoying, Athena was slow, and Whilhelm bored me. Aurelia and Timothy added a bit more fun to the gameplay for me making it easier to get through. But i only did 1 play through because it was such a slog to get through and there was really nothing for me to hunt by the end of it.
Alolan Eevee here’s the thing though; Pre Sequel’s gameplay is just flat out more fun than BL2, it has better Vault Hunters and going back to a game without the double jump/glide mechanic is just flat out painful. BL2 has more to do but Pre Sequel’s gameplay can’t be beat
I liked how the characters felt more alive in the pre sequel.
My gripes with the game were the lack of legendaries, the insanely unfair level scaling, and the overuse of "I have to do x until y happens so just kill this wave of enemies until I do"
My biggest complaint with the game was always feeling like you had no money and you never had any weapons above green tier
you never did the sidequests did you
See I like that more than what they did in BL3 where I'm draped in purples and Legionaries at all times. Makes it hard to feel like you're getting anywhere, and definitely less exciting to see them drop.
This is a major reason why I stopped playing BL3, @@Idofphoenix. I was very often getting Legendary drops. Often to the point of small-ish piles of Legendaries plopping down nearby any boss and/or mini-bosses I would kill. I stopped playing BL3 back in May 2020. Back when the HellShock handgun was so incredibly OP that even bosses did not stand up to the gun for long. It is the insanely high drop rate of nearly every Legendary in the game that is the real killer there. With Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel and BL2 Legendaries were so amazingly rare that generally you would not give a crap what it was as so long as it was a Legendary of any kind. With BL3 it is more of a "Eh... whatever." after a while of playing the game. Then when you do finally acquire your favorite Legendary gear you become so incredibly OP that you wonder why noone poses any genuine danger to you anymore.
@@adamgray1753 It's ok once you adjust to not being excited for it. But it was just so disappointing that they made all of these really cool unique tweaks to the manufactures... and then you end up using a legendary, which while unique, gives you no reason to use anything else.
@@adamgray1753 I stopped playing after the Halloween event so I didn't even know my favorite weapon (The HellShock) was busted at some point. At the very least, I'm glad I saw the potential of that gun months before GB (probably) overtuned it. 🤷
Can we all just take a moment for our girl Felicity?
Jack did her dirty
@@thee_morpheus still hear her pleas to this day 😭
I laughed
After that chapter ive never looked at a constructor in the same way
@@thee_morpheus there was no choice. Elpis had no time
It's unfortunate the launch was so poor because it turned out to be such a great game. Leading up to BL3 I found myself playing this game far more than BL2. Also, my first playthrough of the Claptastic Voyage is still one of my most memorable video gaming experiences. The storytelling and world that DLC placed you in was unlike any other. BL3 tried to bring back certain aspects of BLTPS (ex. Maliwan laser weapons, low gravity on the moon, and the memory driven themes of the Krieg DLC (straight from Claptastic Voyage)) but they just weren't anywhere near as good.
"Hey we're making a little spin-off thing to tide you over until Borderlands 3, something to tie up some loose ends." "OMG BORDERLANDS 3 ALREADY!" "Uh, no? Just a little side-game in the same engine. Look, here's some trailers." "OMG BORDERLANDS 3 ALREADY!" "No, really guys, that's on its way but this is just a side project. Here, give it a try, we got our Aussie team on this and they're really proud of what they've done." "WHAT THE FUCK THIS ISN'T BORDERLANDS 3 YOU LAZY HACKS, YOU LIED TO US!" Just... Jesus Christ people.
I loved the op class mods giving you like 40 points into different skills
The game feels short yet slow like I spent more time in the game trying to get to places then playing. The story is a good idea see John before becoming Handsome Jack but when a mini boss feels more like the final boss you messed up
My biggest complaints were the random difficulty spikes like the one in the Claptrap DLC and all the short busy work missions used as filler. I did however like the characters and the humor. The Meriff Dubstep was genius.
Pre-Sequel is great. In some parts it's still the best game in series. The skill trees are very well-designed, new mechanics are unique to the shooters in general (Oz kits, cryo, lasers) and the story greatly complements B2 in amazing space decorations.
the fetch quests that asks you to go across the empty map
I loved the presquel. All the characters are amazing and the laser and glitch weapons were great. Oh and the song from the dlc is hilarious.
i like pre sequel because vault hunters were voiced, and because every story characters addressed you by name, not just "vault hunter" as they did it in Borderlands 1 and 2
I loved everything about the Pre-Sequel. The low gravity, the Cryo element, the humor, the beautiful moon setting, the 6 playable characters, I loved it all!!! It was a friggin fun game and it’s perfect on the Nintendo Switch. I love it!!!! 🤘🤩🤘
I love claptastic voyage, it has funny enemy names, cool weapons and probably the best boss fight in the entire game. I can't think of a boss with an arena as big as Shadowtrap's.
I loved TPS, it was actually my favourite of the games for a while The lineup of vault hunters was really fun, Fragtrap alone is probably the most fun thing in any Borderlands game, hands down. I also loved how your characters actually spoke and interacted with people throughout the game, it made it feel more interactive Then the story and humour of the game were great too. Seeing Jack before his madness, as well as his descent into madness was awesome, and really nicely done. It actually made me sympathetic for him. And I feel like the humour is even more underrated than the game itself The maps felt empty sometimes, but the zero gravity and Oz kit movement were enough to make me not care about that, plus some of the areas looked really good, and the music in some areas was great The zero gravity and Oz kit also made the combat the most fun it had ever been up to that point, zipping around, slamming down and floating around was really fun and really mixed up the combat. Cryo as well, was also an awesome addition. Freezing flying enemies to make them fall and melee'ing / exploding frozen enemies for extra damage just added to the combat even more Then there's Claptastic Voyage. That's probably my favourite Borderlands DLC, or at least in the top 3. It was hilarious, had one of the best boss fights, good quests, great music... but it also had arguably some of the best writing. It's overall a fairly happy DLC, but it's incredibly dark as well. You discover how Claptrap actually feels, his suicidal thoughts, guilt and depression from the way he's treated and what he's done, you realise that he's not just the happy and annoying robot that you thought he was. Then, the whole DLC is topped off with things NOT getting better, Claptrap gets betrayed by Jack and the vault hunters, and your characters are all there laughing at him being killed (except Athena), despite being friends with him through the entire game. Then, as you would know from playing Borderlands 2, things still don't get better for him. He gets enslaved and tortured by Captain Flynt at times, and has to live on a glacier with only Hammerlock for company, who also hates him. It's a really sobering end to the DLC, in the same way that the main story of the game ended with Jack turning evil, becoming Handsome Jack. Also glitch weapons are the best
I never understood why people expected this to be the BL3 of the time it literally came out 2 years after BL2. 2 years is no where close to enough time to make that much of a change to to everything about each respective game.
the pre sequel has always been my fav borderlands game. i love that it’s basically set in space australia
Good analysis. The music, story and space scenes were amazing! I think this game at this point in time will become more popular for what it has. Much like how some movies do better years later far after their initial release.
I personally LOVED Pre-Sequel. The combat was honestly greatly improved over Borderlands 2, and playing as Timothy (Doppelganger) is just the BEST experience ever-
i love the pre sequel, it had several features i wish bl3 had but never did, as an example heres a short list: - the stingray (the cyclones fun and all, but the hops my guy) - different dialouge for each character (like seriously, hearing janey springs reject timothy and make a pass at athena is brilliant) - a story that is retold differently on different playthroughs (i.e its an interrogation during the first play through but then it's a story retelling in tvhm) - a complete story that does its betrayal and doesn't have a character i openly hate - character interaction amongst the party (seriously, clap-trap randomly beatboxes and if other people are playing with you, their vh will tell him to shut up) - a plot it probably doesn't help i played the presequel before i played bl2, but still i thought the game was fun then and it still is nowadays
1:30 "do you know the difference between choking and strangling" -handsome jack
TPS is actually my favorite. The dialogue between your character and npc’s was the best and chocked full of it. I actually liked the jump mechanics and map layouts. And the characters were my favorite (except Mechromancer)! Especially Jack! It felt like an innovated Borderlands and not just a rehash
mechromancer is from 2 tho
i hate borderlands 3's map
Gaige the Mechromancer???
@@TheReZisTLust Gaige is my favorite, yep! Then then the Pre-Sequal characters. I didn’t much care for Athena though
The vault monster of this game is hands down my favorite. it had the coolest arena with the semi-solid feel to it, you went inside a big ass eridium crystal which later shows up as the core for the handsome jackpot, and the boss phases itself were great. you had the humanoid with the fancy jump moves and elements, and then when you think you won, you gotta fight a big ass torso with a different form of special attack depending on the face of the boss you're currently fighting. plus if you jumped close to its hands when it did the big clap attack you could launch to the ceiling of the arena and shoot down at the top of its head which gave crits lol
The pre sequel had the best line up of vault hunters and the most fun gameplay for all of them
This is a very good video! Finally someone who actually voices the same opinion I have of the game. And it's well edited too, with an easy to follow narrative/timeline.
When I first got into the series some time before bl3 was released, my friends said I could just ignore Pre-Sequel. I'm glad I didn't because I had more fun with it than I did with bl2. The playable characters, gameplay, and story were so much better imo.
Yeah really. TPS has it's place within the Borderlands franchise. To me... BL3 just plain sucks. Not even it's gorgeous and fricken awesome gunplay can keep me from bothering to play the game. I absolutely hate how Gearbox irreparably destroyed so much of the game's lore and story with such asinine crap.
Just got a new puppy, the shelter gave us a unicorn plushy. My dog, Achilles likes to bite the unicorn plushy in the butt. Of course I named the plushy Buttstallion
The Pre-Sequel was hands down my favourite story of the first 3 games
I got reeeeeealy comfortable with the “lightsaber” lasers that are in the game on my first and only run with Athena, probably wouldn’t have been as good as it was without the character but still one of the most fun and unique weapons I’ve used in these games.
I feel like the nail in the coffin for this game was the release of Destiny 1 month later. It had problems, but at least it had farming. I remember the BL KZheadrs turning to Destiny content or going back to Borderlands 2.
Ironically the pre sequel is way better than destiny 1
@@guilhermehank4938 Arguable at best.
@@palladiamorsdeus lol
One of the only things I remember about Pre Sequel is that in the Claptrap DLC, during what I think was its final boss, your spawn point was a room that had a barrier that prevented you from shooting the boss. However, it didn't stop the boss from being able to shoot you. So this boss just kept downing me and my co-op partner, rendering us unable to beat the DLC.
I loooved pre-sequel. I'm a mark for double jumps in any game. Especially considering in the previous entries, I spent so much time scaling walls and cliffs purely for exploration and looking for secrets. This just took that to a new level. My other big love for this game was some of the characters. Idk if it's just by circumstance or what, but in every borderlands, the best legendaries I would find always ended up being revolvers. So playing with Nisha felt right at home and pretty much op with her ability. Claptrap was great at keeping things fresh in single player. Really incentivizing having a wide array of weaponry. My two favorite classes of Borderlands are snipers and sirens. I've also always gravitated toward ice element in any medium. So Aurelia felt like she was made just for me. Strangest thing to hear for me is that the general consensus positives are laser guns and Jack. I don't dislike either one, but neither of them really stood out to me. But to each their own I suppose.
I bought the handsome collection for switch and I’m playing the pre sequel first. The bosses are still annoying and punishing if you’re under levelled, the moon is very boring to traverse with not enough fast travel stations or cars. The story though is good, I like that it’s Australian which is unique for Borderlands and still has the amazing humour
Borderlands 3 Gameplay:10/10 Story: Ava
Excellent BL3 summary, Funkey!
Should have said "Ava/10".
Bro I’m crying after you put a vertical grip quad into the grinder
Dude just now finding your channel man’s deserves more subs
The Pre-Sequel has become my second favorite Borderlands game with 2 being my favorite game by far. Everything about The Pre-Sequel was cool as hell. I enjoyed the game on my Xbox when I just had the base game, it was the first game that I had gotten a non DLC VH to the level cap before DLC in FR4G-TP. Then when I got the Legendary Collection for Switch, I got Timothy to level 70 as I had always wanted to see what it was like to play the game as Handsome Jack. I like the entire roster, I just can't get over everything about Aurelia. I still love the game to this day & have maybe put over 400 hours into the game.
Things I love abt bl3: Takedowns. So many diffrent weapons and unique sounds to them. The movement and gunplay is top tier. All the dlc's where amazing and just keept getting better. Things I hate: Lack of single raidbosses like in the older games. Anointmens are a great idea on paper but i feel like its ruining the legendary weapons in this game. they dont feel rare at all, and the anointment are so strong its more important then the gun itself. Lack of diffrent bulds and good class mods on some of the charaters. Game is a bit to easy for my taste (too much powercreep)
I wouldn't hold my breath about lack of raid bosses because there's been speculation of more DLC things to come after DLC 4 and the season pass ends. I would love to see if they could add more DLC Campaign expansion, i mean Borderlands 2 did it when it came to DLC 5. I strongly feel like gearbox is doing a much better job when it comes to adding raid bosses because rather then having to pay for them, like they have with previous title, they become free for everybody. I dont know if Gearbox would even consider adding raid bosses in paid DLCs again.
@@couldnotic I hope ur right, tbh would not mind seeing raidbosses behind dlc's either doe. just adds a more endgame to the dlc's
@@UnClonable yeah but then there's gonna be some of those people that would be pissed off because Raid Bosses are locked behind a paywall. I would want to see Gearbox make more DLC expansions like another 4 more DLCs for a 2nd season pass or something. Borderlands 3 file size isn't all that big compared to other games that go over 150gb storage, Borderlands 3 is sitting around almost at 100gb. So Borderlands 3 wouldn't suffer on more DLC content after DLC 4.
I hope they don't put raid bosses behind a pay wall. That's what they did in bl2 and I like the only thing you're missing out on are a few weapons if you don't get the dlc. The strongest weapons drop from the raid bosses that everyone has access to. I'd really like it if they added some new characters to play as but they keep saying they won't.
@@toxicavenger6172 yeah but that was only when Borderlands 2 was still around at the time but when they released like some game of the year edition or The Handsome Collection you don't did pay extra for them because all of addons were included except for the Commander Lilith DLC but if you were lucky enough last year it was free. But i strongly think that Gearbox has taken a different approach when adding raid bosses, i know for a fact that secret door that still locked has to be a Raid boss it has been speculated that it might be like another Verivimus / Varkid boss.
I loved the fact that they used the same engine from borderlands 2 I loved the art style of it but borderlands 3? Nah
After playing 3 for a while now I’m realizing this game has so many more/interesting guns in my opinion. I love going back to grind moonstone guns out, not to mention all the awesome glitch guns
The pre sequel's characters felt way more lively and more remeberable.
Claptastic Voyage is my favorite borderlands DLC. It's just so good.
This is my favorite game of the series. It has my favorite set of Vault Hunters and it's made even better by the fact that they actually talk throughout the campaign. I know the BL2 crew got to speak a little in the DLCs, but Pre-Sequel really shows off their personalities.
Honestly!
Bl3 does it as well all thanks to presequel.
I never played any borderlands game till about 2016-2017 on a friend’s PS4. About a year later I bought the Handsome Collection for my Xbox One. Started out playing borderlands 2 but made the rookie mistake of skipping side missions and became overwhelmingly under-leveled. I dropped 2 and went to the Pre-Sequel. Having learned from my mistakes I did every side mission as they became available and it was the first Borderlands game I completed the main story of, afterwards I played the Claptrap DLC and made the same mistake I made in BL2, resulting in getting stuck at the final boss. Took me a while but I eventually came back to the game and finished the DLC after going back and doing all the side missions for it. I personally love the game, both the story and mechanics are great. I played as Wilhelm which I thought was so cool to see him slowly get more robotic since when you kill him in BL2 he’s basically a massive loader bot. Definitely the most underrated of the franchise
I spent so much time grinding perfect pitchforks in every element in my Aurelia playthrough. Honestly though, the added mobility is what keeps me coming back
After just finishing bl3 I can safely say that blp is my favorite installment and yes Wilhelm is still my favorite VH
His drones have really good AI
Wilhelm is the best example of a simple character have ever seen, personality wise. I love how he barely gives a shit about anything, unless money is on the table. His quick one liners are great. His personal echo log says it all.
TPS was an awesome game that further fleshed-out some existing characters, like claptrap, and used unique gameplay mechanics to blend into the setting. the only problem seems to be the fact the lack of content, and the fact that you kinda had to follow a certain meta when it came to oz kits
The pre-sequel will always be my favorites character-wise. I love Timothy Nisha and Aurelia. Aurelia has always been my favorite character and I love Nisha because of her gameplay and that she seems heavily inspired of Nico Robin from One Piece, even having the same voice actor. I also love how you can glide when jumping when your using your oz kit. Ever since using this mechanic the rest of the borderlands seem really weird in that aspect.
As someone who played TPS last year and didn't touch it since beating the story, I honestly loved it at first. Cryo was more interesting than Slag, lasers were cool, and the space setting made gameplay a bit more interesting. Hell, even the vault hunters having small bits of dialogue with characters was great. The main thing that really made me annoyed by the end was the enemy scaling as mentioned in the video (Dear god I've never felt so punished being on par with quests), and the pacing of the story has felt the worst in the series. Going to the Hyperion space station felt like a great climax in the story... only for you to spend half of the game in there, with main quests jumping up as much as 3 levels at a time. I got so sick of running basically every quest just to try to stay on par that I started farming Darksiders. It's the only Borderlands game where I resorted to grinding for convenience.
I actually like it, I found the combat more dynamic thanks to the low-G and Oz kits (overall a lot of the levels just feel more three-dimensional than a lot of BL2 did). The only thing I didn't like was that there was less variety of enemies than there was in BL2.
I enjoyed PreSequel for reinforcing my hatred of Lilith. She's the perfect example of how NOT to write a hero.
Want the only who's wary of lilith
I think because she is not even a hero and all of the other Vault hunters are not heroes the only one whe could consider as atleast Lawful Neutral evil are Roland,Athena and Maya,the others on the other hand: -Mordecai:He is alcoolic,cynical,Narsicic,and loves calling people "pendejos"(wich means son of a b***)and let's don't forget a sidequest in Borderlands 2 where he asks you to free all the animals in the wildlife preserve for avenging Bloodwing's death,this animals ends up killing everyone even innocent scientist who never wanted to help in the Slag experiment like Doc Samuel -Brick:the only thing that he loves is killing,and punshing things,before the events of Borderlands 1 he killed his whole bandit clan just because they killed his dog(they weren't angel so whe can consider it a good action)after he and Roland found the guy who helped Jack attack New Haven,he killed him and all the other captured Hyperion agents in the slowest way possible and he even attacked Roland when he told him to stop,wich forced him to leave the crimson Raiders and to start his own bandit clan -Axton:the guy has an overdeveloped ego,and really loves killing,when he was working for Dahl every mission he joins ends up with him causing his squadmates's death,his superiors had enough after he killed an important politician he was escorting after solding him to the people who wanted his death and also killed the terrorists,so they decided to fire him and execute him,when his ex told him that he is fired and that he will soon be executed he decided to go on a Dahl agents slaughter before going to Pandora Salvador:the guy has commited every possible crime that exist(Murder,theft,Arson,Profanity,Cannibalisme,etc...) Zero:he is an assasin who want to find a bigger chalenge it's pretty self explenatory Krieg:he is a psycho so it's also pretty self explenatory Gaige:even if she looks cute she is as dangerous and derranged as the other,her anarchy skill explain everything,oh and she also have a little crush on Axton who is in his mid 20s,and before Axton she had a crush on Hammerlock who is either on his 40s or 50s. oh and also let's don't forget the way the Vault hunters treats Claptrap,and the vault hunters of 2 are just using the poor robot by acting like his "minions",and also their allies are just as bad as them,Moxxi is the definition of a b***,Zed dosen't even have a medical liscence and he either works in body parts traffic,kills his patients by accident,or create abominations like the Spychos or Skrakks,Marcus is the definition of a greddy buisnessman he even solds weapons for bandits,Crazy Earl just look at him,Ellie really love murder,and even people who looks innocent like Scooter also has a dark side(the guy buried alive a friend of his just because he slept with his mother and he also has a crush on Ellie who is his sister and he even planned to kill the 2nd game Vault hunter because they hacked on of his catch a ride station)
TPS had my favourite plot of the series honestly. Jack's descent was done so well and I loved the classes. It's a shame the game was shorter.
Right after finishing Borderlands 2, The Pre-Sequel was a little difficult to get into. But, after I got used to the low gravity, oxygen and kind of slow-mo fighting, I ended up liking The Pre-Sequel. It was definitely a decent game. Farming Iwajira was great.
This was my first game I played from the series, and I played couch coop with a friend. For us it was a blast and played the hell out of it. So I think if you set aside all the hype,comparison etc. its a hell of a game
I was one of the only one of my friends that actually kept playing the game/ beat the claptastic dlc, and it was amazing! I liked the game a lot. As for my main dislikes, 1: the main game felt kind of empty, especially when it came to side quests. 2:the raid boss being the final boss 3: felt like almost no matter who I farmed I tended to get the same legendaries most of the time, although that's probably just bad luck ( same with the grinder btw) But I liked the aesthetic of the game and the story was amazing, plus I loved playing as Nisha.
Thing that makes me stop playing after first playthrough was not finding single legendary throughout whole game except one granade in vending machine( i wasn't farming, just story progress). Even Sentinel didn't drop anything.
Replaying TPS now. Beat it once and just kind of left it after that. But Im appreciating it more than I did. The boosting and freedom of movement is fun. I like the hovercraft a lot and the laser guns are totally underrated. My biggest gripe is the MASSIVE amount of padding and wanting characters to just. shut. up.
I played this game until the worst thing happened.... school came and stopped me
I think the Pre Sequel is the best BL game story wise even though its the shortest one
Real and true
I love it,beside that jumping in the Helios Station.
I think I liked this because I went in expecting it to suck cos of the backlash. When I realized Wilhelm's voice was becoming more robotic is when I realized the game is fantastic not just good
It has my favorite vault hunter: Timothy.
Was nice seeing this ultra-wimp start to grow a spine at the same time you watch his boss start to go cuckoo for cocoapuffs.
Wow, took me a year to realize I wrote haulter.
a couple things i hate about bl3: 1: i personally feel that there aren't allot of unique builds per character (accept flak but people mainly only use crit and maybe gamma) 2: atm just personally lack of content (but cant hold that against it atm cus its still newish so could easily get allot more and yes i'm comparing to bl2)
"Newish" its been a year
@@T-Jex While I see what you’re saying, Fight for Sanctuary for BL2 came out in June of 2019. A little under 7 years past the initial release of BL2. So, we’ve still got a lot of time for BL3.
@@stonersudowoodo7143 exactly thx
1. Not enough variety on class mods, the eridian vanquisher, legendary and celestial class mods felt shallow and not unique. 2. Unique enemies and mini bosses felt drab uninteresting 3. I have nothing against Australian culture, but I can never understand all the Aussie humor and puns these game presents.
@@rdu239 eridian vanquisher and chronicler of elpis class mods are really underwhelming. However, I would disagree on the celestial ones. Some are actually quite unique and others are game-breaking.
Timothy was my favorite thing about Pre-Sequel. He felt really broken as a dlc character, like it surprising how good he was when he came out.
looking back at blps, the game really isnt bad at all, i really like it and i feel like some of its major flaws really came from the fact that it kills grinding for legendaries in turn for actually yknow "grinding" for legendaries and just getting world drops