Why a Mars Colony is a Dangerous and Stupid Idea
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Pollution on Earth as an argument for space colonies have always baffled me. If you can make something like Mars habitable, you can unfuck whatever pollution you have on Earth.
This is the insanity, delusion and egomania of the human race.
"Doing a test cut always baffles me! If you have a saw, why not just cut the wood right where it should be the first time? Practicing to make sure you get it right, and discover new ways it might fail? That's something only a dumb engineer would suggest, probably a musk fanboy."
@@ianglenn2821 Well you know what they say: "measure once cut twice"
@@ianglenn2821 That isn't really his point. He's only contesting the pollution argument for colonizing Mars, not the test-run argument.
It's like mars isn't suffering enough already.
The idea of uber-rich people trying to escape a problem they created, only to find themselves in an unimaginable hell, kind of makes me smile. Not gonna lie.
It’s the idea of gated neighborhoods but a million times more hellish, instead of just isolating it’s just awful
Yep, hopefully they try & do some kind of documentary there & we get to watch it descend into a reality tv show where they slowly lose their sanity & turn into the Hunger Games
Well these are folks that believe Ayn Rand was a great philosopher and Atlas Shrugged a "Great philosophical theory", so of course they think they can "just escape and everything will be as it was" :P .
Didn't that make you realise the scam? They have no intention to achieve this or even attempt it Elon played gullible people to boost stock in SpaceX, like Adam something said
This whole video revolves around you people hating rich people Like god can you appreciate the fact that humanity is trying to go to places other than earth?
Giving the billionaires a one-way ticket to Mars doesn't sound like such a bad idea tbh.
Non-refundable 😂
Since the Americans refuse to just arrest and execute the parasites... Their drama queen mentality makes them think about mars instead.
Elon said something that’s make this MUCH worse “if you can’t afford the trip you can just take our a loan and work it off there” he literally said he wants indentured servants to work in his mars colony.
If you've already signed up it doesn't make much of a difference either way at that point you're cut of from Earth on a one way trip you either put in the work and......... err I mean or die.
"Travelling to Mars would be miserable, expensive, and life-threatening for anybody involved" I am no longer in favor of space travel to mars "Only billionaires would be able to go anyway" I am once again in favor of space travel to mars
My thoughts exactly when he mentioned an increase in cancer risk.
@@cptKamina but then they'll buy all the available organs to replace the damaged ones
For about five years now I’ve been saying the sooner Elon Musk fucks off to Mars, the better it will be for everybody.
Please send Jeff, Elon and whom ever is the embodiment of capitalistic cruelty to Mars
Same tho. 57 million less greedy assholes who don't even do anything productive nor intuitive would be a godsend for humanity and the earth if we let em all go to Mars and colonize there.
"only the top 1% will be able to go" "someone will go crazy within a month, and 1 fire/depressurization/etc would kill everyone" yknow this sounds like a great idea for the 1% to pursue!
And not many people would miss them as they would think.
It would be like "Among Us"
@@Ethan5I5 oh but we would
@@pirualado47 not at all
nobody among the 1% wants to go to Mars. A few might want to do an adventure trip, but none of them wants to live on Marls. I don't get how people can have the stupid idea that they want to leave earth. They'll be living in the best places of the last hapitable zones on earth. And Mars will at best only become a mining colony. If the colony is built before robots have advanced enough they might send some poor desperate folks to go mining on Mars to make money.
I’m just trying to imagine a world where climate change is so bad that fixing it is harder than terraforming Mars, and I can’t.
this whole bullshit have only one reason... For Elon Fanboys to pump up SpaceX, and Tesla stonks. 🤡🤡🤡
The reson why is becuase in order to terraform mars you need to cause global warming ON PURPOSE
in the word of NDT, if we can terraform mars to earth, we can terraform earth back to earth
It depends, the greatest difficulty of fixing climate change on earth is of political nature. Once you remove that issue, it becomes a lot easier.
@@danielmethner6847 which absolutely is never going to happen because you need government and structure to fix a problem as big as climate change. No one cares enough about climate change
Gotta love how Elon literally said he would be the man who makes the mars laws. No earth laws. What could go wrong
It will be fine man. . . he definitely won't be corrupt or anything like that
A White South African who grew up surrounded by older elites who still continue to mourn the death of apartheid... Surely he'll be a good dictator to a whole planet.
"Following 5 years of work the project is already in the CGI stage" Lmfao literally every "futuristic" project
False promises
@@DyslexicMitochondria hey bro i watch your videos. Love your channel
@@DyslexicMitochondria Overpopulation and the Housing Crisis can be easily fixed, as BritMonkey and Second-Thought pointed out and proved. Earth doesnt newed to be escaped from, we need to fix it; please support KZheadrs that show that.
People do realize us is a multi generational project bigger in scope than anything humans have ever done right? In just these few years more progress has been done than ever before. People bust be blind. This isn't CGI this is real. Unless we get some serious life extension none of us will live to see its completion. But it needs to be done eventual. And we final have the technology to make it happen. And it will cost basically nothing for its scope.
Awesome roast. I remember all those new fancy CGI space station we are going to habe in the next 10 years.
"And a remote-controlled self-destruct mechanism if colonists ever try to unionize" Damn, he really planned this one out. I'm convinced.
Nah just proves the biased opinion rather than an objective viewpoint based on science
@@philipdillard1581 "You make a joke about Elon Musk? You're biased and can't be trusted to explain the innumerable problems with colonizing Mars with our current technology."
@John Grigg you make it sound like Elon would be the last boss after defeating a bunch of possessed cultists and demons
A self-destruct mechanism is unnecessary. If the colonists try to unionize, all Musk has to do is stop sending supplies, and they will all die.
@@philipdillard1581 Very funny. What actual science, as opposed to science fiction, supports the idea of a self-sufficient Mars colony?
the idea of a bunch of people on a reality tv show on mars having to entertain people to fund their own survival seems like a pretty good premise for a show or movie actually
Definitely entertaining, but also definitely morally questionable
There is a anime with a similar concept, starship operators, but thats i bit of a stretch. I guess the Martian can also technically count
@@memeboy8207 Starship Operators involved the crew selling TV rights in order to finance their one ship war against their planet's invaders. They, at least, could always have surrendered peacefully. In fact, the offer was made several times.
It would certainly start out with great ratings. But how many episodes, or seasons, before it got cancelled. And what happens THEN?
Name: The Popularity Games
I had been wondering about humanity on Mars for a long time, but it never donned on me that the Martian surface would be incredibly depressing to live on after the initial hype. Imagine waking up to orange dust under your feet, orange rocks on the horizon, and an orange sky above you. Every day for the rest of your life. You'd never realize what you left behind until it was too late.
Why dos everyone act like you can't go back? It would be the most efficient for workers to travel to and from Mars, back to earth or a orbital station
@@Eat_shit--die_mad In a word: fuel. Even though Mars' gravity is significantly less than Earth's, it's still enough of a gravity well that getting back off the planet takes serious energy. Other than maybe, possibly finding some fissile materials once mining is developed, Mars is singularly lacking in energy dense resources. It has a whole lot less solar energy than Earth, not enough atmosphere to create significant wind power, no surface water from which to acquire hydrogen or motive power (not to mention needing that water to stay alive), no reservoirs full of coal, methane or oil, and little geothermal heat. So any round trip would require the travelers to carry enough fuel to return, making it nearly logistically impossible and cost prohibitive to allow travelers (other than possibly a few scientist/astronauts once the capabilities of rovers are exhausted) to return once they've landed.
Remember the hype around the ISS space station? How'd that turn out?
@@Eat_shit--die_mad well it will take like 5 year to build stations and rockets and fuel and the material for the rocket or the couragous people and teste for them or crew hmm?...
You should see where I live now. Mars would be a distinct improvement. No car thieves. No nasty neighbors.
Seeing as how Mars is such a nice environment, it's a refreshing idea to send all Earth's billionaires to live there.
victimization mentality
one way trip of course
@@marzllc exactly
@@marzllc uh... no... he's just telling people to fk off.
Yes, great idea the one who is pushing this idea and has the mo yea to do it should be the first one to go.
Every time I hear about a colony on Mars, I remember the story of the early Jamestown colonists. 1. 80% of them died. 2. The survivors wrote passages in their diaries saying things like, "I'd give up my legs to go back. Better to be a crippled beggar on the streets if London." Virginia was far more accessible and habitable to 17th century Englishmen than Mars is to us.
And yet, where did the hardship lead? To a thriving and prosperous nation that is a superpower of the world.
@@yuvrajbanerjee8578 Good point. So a Mars colonist needs to ask himself if he's willing to suffer like that so that in the unlikely event that he survives, his great grandchildren will be the elite of a prosperous nation on Mars.
@@yuvrajbanerjee8578 except Virginia has room to move, gravity that doesn’t lead to extreme bone degradation and breathable fucking air. The average person could live a frontiersman’s life. The amount of hyper management to live in a space colony is so extreme most people would die from the stress it puts on you and that’s implying they’re competent enough to keep the metaphorical ship from sinking.
@@danielschein6845 Without hesitation I would go. My life on earth is full of suffering, so why not suffer on mars instead? At least that way my death could possibly contribute to the advancement of science.
@@yuvrajbanerjee8578 That's some bs propaganda.
Just recently spoke with a manager at JPL - NASA. He ranted briefly about how stupid it was that they’re being forced to spend money on the Mars colony project for this exact same reason. Our elected representatives are also easily bamboozled by the likes of Elon Musk. After all, they weren’t immune to Elizabeth Holmes either.
Mars One ticks all the boxes of a con. We need to become a lot better to discern between 'theoretically possible' and 'practically possible'. And between 'feasible' and 'practical'. Fusion is theoretically possible, but will most likely not be practical in this century. The Concorde was feasible, but not environmentally or economically viable. Let's save the world and play later.
I figure it's less "bamboozled" and more "bribed."
@@madshorn5826 I would be careful when stating opinions like that Elon has defied many previous projections and dismissive people saying his ideas won't work there is certainly room for much constructive criticism but to rule out the Mars colony outright. Is a bit excessive and while it does have it's cons we must at least make an attempt before saying no the the idea completely
@@madshorn5826 The most "successful" fusion power test so far lasted for only 7 seconds Yes it's not impossible but it would take centuries or even a thousand years of development to become practically usable
@@RonanHarkins-xk5zz I am not being merely dismissive, I am saying that a Mars colony is a con. That it is possible to put a handful of people on Mars doesn't prove Musk right. If he can sell the idea to naïve investors he will be able to make money for a short while (~ a decade or three), but not anything meaningful in the long run. Mars is arid, near vacuum, riddled by ultrafine dust plugging everything, meaningful air travel is not possible due to the thin atmosphere, there is no available energy due to the thin atmosphere and the distance to the sun, there is no protection from cosmic radiation on the surface, ... The list goes on and on and on. This is not skepticism, this is hard science. The Gobi desert is _way_ more hospitable and accessible. Until we run out of space there, Mars will be meaningless economically.
The worst part is the cloud cities on Venus works out to be smarter than a Mars Base. To be honest, though, I think it's probably just easier to save what we currently have.
And if we're ever able to actually terraform another world, Venus would be the better choice. At least it has a gravity (.82 g) approaching Mother Earth's gravity, and it's just inside the habitable zone. If we could somehow get rid of all that C02, add nitrogen and oxygen and cool the planet, we could go from there.
but then giant mega corportations will only be able to make slightly less trillions/billions of dollars in profit 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺
Sam R. England What’s even better is that if we colonize Venus first then we could use all the co2 from Venus to help terraform other planets and even certain moons on Jupiter
Venus is way close to the sun right?
Boooooooorrring.....I WANT MARS!
The moon is a way better target. We will develop lots of technologies from a permanent moon colony.
That’s what I was thinking lol
The only things which make sense on Moon or Mars are small scientific bases like in the Antarctic, not permanent settlements.
@@KateeAngel those scientific bases are permanent
Why haven’t we gone back to the moon?
@@KateeAngel a mission to mars would be one way…
I'm honestly shocked that the time that (I think) Elon proposed a deal to send people to Mars for cheap on the condition that they pay off their debt once they get colonyside, basically turning a Mars colony into debtor's prison, wasn't mentioned at all here
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@@critawakets3138 HARD, THE LAND WE CALL OUR HOME.
actually, kind of a plausible idea. those with extreme debt in the future could enter a contract with corporations to work on the moon or mars... interesting sci fi dystopia concept at least.
@CRITAWALETS Wasn't that on Venus though?
As many others have said. I’m actually happy that all of these billionaires are going to go to mars. They can live in hell and when they realize how stupid they were and there’s no way to get back. We can all laugh at how their entire life being driven by arrogance resulted in such a perfect result for them
We would be having new billionaires and they probably would be even worse than the current one
Give them a bargain rate to get TO Mars, then inflate the cost to $1billion to get back to earth.
@@michalsoukup1021you really think the current ones are going to let that happen
Oh no! Don't be fooled! The Billionaires are not going to go to Mars themselves, they're going to try and send us peons to Mars so that we can make money for them, um, somehow. After all, one cannot sail his yacht on Mars, as liquid water cannot exist on its surface. Why would a Billionaire or Millionaire, or, for that matter, the reasonably well-off, ever want to live on the Death World of Mars? For that matter, why would a ditch-digger?
A thriller movie about a Mars colony where everything slowly starts going wrong and everyone goes crazy with loneliness actually sounds like a pretty great blockbuster
The only thing wrong with that thriller is the absurdity of the premise that such a project could ever even begin.
I mean, the book and movie "The Martian" exists, but not exactly the same.
As Neil DeGrasse Tyson said: *"If we could terraform Mars, why wouldn't we just do the same thing to Earth?"*
He said it even better, instead of making Mars earth like let’s keep earth earth like
And that protects us from an asteroid how?
@@alittlebitgone for one thing, it would teach us how terraforming works
@@alittlebitgone And air and water pollution protects us from asteroids how?
@@Wave1dave even extinction level asteroids likely would leave earth more habitable than mars, I'd imagine. Don't even think that's much of a stretch to assume
"Following 5 years of feverish work the project is already at the CGI rendering stage" actually has me in stitches. Thank you Adam.
Well considering Elon and everyone involved state it will be decades before its even possible maybe judging the world's richest man and 1 of the smartest who is trying to save the planet by leading the way in microchips for ppl with disorders, to electric cars, freedom of speech and free internet for the poorest countries around is a stupid thing to do because a youtuber says so and doesn't say anything that gos against his narrative.
@@dont-touch-mepg1392 dude it’s just a funny quote
@@dont-touch-mepg1392 your favorite trust fund billionaire is not going to save the world. This is embarrassing
@@dont-touch-mepg1392 y'all look at this guy's comment history on this channel 😂😂😂
@@dont-touch-mepg1392 This comment is close to being as funny as the quote. Thanks dude.
Anyone remember "Biosphere II", and how well that worked? 😄 All the scientists started to turn on each other (they called it: "Irrational Adversarial Syndrome"), and they sabotaged each other's projects, until they could no longer support themselves without outside intervention. And that was without the stress of a seven month space flight, or living with the looming threat of certain death right outside your door every day.
Not to mention it was build on easy mode using cranes, materials could be easily transported on land from factories and assembled on site and weight was not an issue. Domes didn't have to withstand pressure difference etc. And yet they still couldn't make it sufficiently airtight.
@@dfgpl Literally the wrong issue. The problem was that materials used in the manufacture were leaking and/or absorbing atmospheric gases, like many human made materials do. This is the same reason the ISS is recieving regular supplies of water, food and gas for the atmosphere. This is why the rover that landed in 2020 carried a small oxygen generator. It is capable of refining oxygen from Martian CO2. Thus you don't really care that you loose a few kg of oxygen every week, you just make some more. The same goes for water, atmospheric nitrogen and minerals needed for fertilizer. We don't need to achieve a closed loop, because mining is a thing.
i actually visited biosphere II, what happened there is incredibly unfortunate but the facility itself is ridiculously cool and impressive, the environments inside of it are amazing in person.
I remember the excellent documentary about it called Bio-Dome.
@@Ziedmac It's also what I like to think of as a 'successful failure' since it revealed just how complicated maintaining a tiny ecosystem would really be.
Excellent debunking. It's nutty to call it "colonizing" since there can never be any actual interaction with the planet; living inside space pods that will need continuous repair is really just being buried alive.
Exactly. Until we can walk on the surface in nothing but street clothing, we aren't really colonizing anything.
Space physicist here, technically the launch windows you talked about at the start of the video aren't for the *fastest* trips, but for the most fuel efficient trips (which is not the same thing, because orbital mechanics can be unintuitive). So if you were able to bring and burn *a lot* more fuel, you could go in a more or less straight line and it would be much faster. But there's a good reason why we never do that. Also yes, the moon is obviously a much better candidate. While all this is going on, ESA are currently developing plans for a lunar colony in the next few decades, with actual scientific goals and achievable deadlines. So that's the space colony news I'd recommend you follow, if any.
Thanks for the heads-up mate. As a kid, I was always confused to why people jumped from the Moon colonization to Mars. It just made more sense (even for kids). Come to think about it, maybe it's because Mars is attractively red whereas Moon is dullishly grey. Had Elon campaigned his pump and dump, publicity-stunt scheme revolving around Moon colonization, he might have had more success.
@@laurentiusmichaelgeorge1118 I think it might be that there is some water on Mars or something
@@SorowFame Isn't water present on moon too?
@@mateuszwrobel1919 I don’t know, I just think the Moon is a better target because it’s closer
@@laurentiusmichaelgeorge1118 Which campaign is that?
Terraforming the Sahara: "No, that's too hard" Terraforming space Sahara: "Sign me up!"
Well the former is an already existing ecosystem and well frankly I don't want any more changes to the planet that isn't undoing what we've done with Mars there are no long-term risks to civilization
@@danishsyed1068 It's not as if human's have never lived in a world with a green Sahara. 11,000-5,000 years ago, the Continent was in a humid period, turning the Sahara green. What downsides are there to greening the Sahara, that are worse than trying to do it for Mars? To be clear, I'm not suggesting that we do it, but simply saying that terraforming Mars is stupid and inefficient.
I think we can move up the colney date May be 50 years or so is more realistic..by then the Sara will be all green and have a lot of water for everything and every one....
@@danishsyed1068 please just stop. you're making yourself look silly
You can't just terraform the Sahara and not expect it to have drastic consequences all over earth. Terraforming a dead planet doesnt effect us. Really is this really that difficult for people to understand? Amazing how many keep proposing "terraforming the Sahara" like that's some brilliant idea lol
There's something you missed Adam, there's actually ONE reason for a tiny mars colony built with our current level of technology, populated by billionaires and financed with a reality show: Seeing said billionaires suffer in a literal dead world for our amusement after all, Mars/Ares was named after the god of war due to its blood-like color, and after a few thousand years, I feel like it could use a fresh coat of paint...
AHHH! that paint comment killed me. :D
After the billionaires move there they can be stranded there 😊
Venus is a better planet to colonize than Mars
@@Bruhza5870 probably also a better suffering factory, but with our current tech they'd just get crushed by the atmosphere instantly, and that's no fun
@@demon_xd_ oh if you’re talking about a suffering factory, just make a enclosed space station 3 times the size of iss and send it far near the asteroid belt. That’ll be a fun show to watch
One major reason to build on the moon is that the lunar surface is rich in Helium 3. This isotope is rare on earth because our magnetic field deflects the solar wind (which is full of the stuff) but in places with no such protection (the moon) that are also close to the sun (not mars) it is everywhere. The kick is that Helium 3 is a perfect fuel for nuclear fusion. If fusion is to dominate the grid a moon colony may be our best bet.
Nice
Nuclear fusion is at least 40-50 years away
@@chrisrendon461 and building a full-on moon colony isn't?
@@samrobbins9571 well its very expensive and dangerous … my thing is would it even be beneficial to go to mars it cost 100s of billions of dollars just to have the space program … now we have to build 100s of billions of dollars of nuclear fusion reactors that may or may not work….in the best foresight in 50 years we may have nuclear fusion but would it even be worth it to go to the moon just for the fuel? I dont know possibly🤷🏽
@@chrisrendon461 okay, you have a point, but moon dust is rich in iron, aluminum, titanium, and silicon as well.
The scariest thing I heard was when Musk said he wouldn’t recognize any of Earths laws on Mars because “it’s out of Earth’s jurisdiction”. Could you imagine being basically owned by a company that also gets to decide your basic human rights? If you think Twitter’s employees are being treated badly right now (or any employee of any of Musk’s company for that matter), imagine how they would be treated if no regulator was pushing back against Musk.
That's a horror movie plot waiting to be written
@@theviniso Total Recall
Q.D. White if that’s the case then it’s completely possible that in the future mars isnt colonized like the u.s but instead like brazil and the American south where a rich upper class transports a bunch of peasants or slaves to mars and forces then to do manual labor with low wages, long hours, and zero rights. So now not only would a mars colonist be living in a dangerous environment thousands of miles away from any help but they would also be slaves to the company that brought them there in the first place with no escape Edit: now that I thought about it a more accurate comparison of how a mars colony would turn out would be with argentina or the old american company towns
@@mrvespuccia.k.ameganite1747 you're saying that Brazilians are slaves?
@@mrvespuccia.k.ameganite1747 the US was also colonized with a bunch of slaves. Let's not forget they even had a war to keep that. The difference is that the US used their power to keep every other nation on the global south under their thumb since they become free from their colonizers. Don't act like they're more civilized.
When you said that the "powerful elite" will go to Mars I changed my mind and now support the project. We can just send them ASAP just in case.
Yes, might aswell send all entrepeneurs there, so there are no actual smart, hard working people left, and also to make sure no one creates jobs anymore. Socialist mindset 🤡
Ah ah ah? Nope we have to send our petro-dollar slaves to pave our under domes
Exactly my thought 🤣
Wow, i am thinking about same. All capitalist should go there.
Why would they? Did the Queen of England and her buddies move to Alanta Goeria after it was founded leaving the British Isles to the poor folks who rebuilbt it as the United States the current world foremost Superpower?
You forgot to mention that all airlocks in areas the workers occupy and their space suits will simultaneously open up when the word "union" is said.
Why people think rich people are smart is beyond me
In short: the idea is great, because we send the 1% away on a one-way-trip to certain psychological horror and irradiated death.
lol 😂
Musk plans on killing the colonists and using the rockets to dispose of the bodies after stripping them of their wealth. Then "colony" would be simulated using deep fake video and GPT-7 AI chat hiding the computations behind the communication lag to and from Mars.
10% would be better still !
@@antondovydaitis2261 the plot thickens. 😂 lol
@@grahamstevenson1740 terraformed is something the cosmos takes care of within it’s own parameters. A grafted branch may take for a while, but don’t you always need a horticulturist?
I always loved the fact that the "we can terraform Mars" argument completely undermines the "we need to escape climate change" argument. Like, dude, if you have the technology required to make Mars somewhat livable for humans, then don't worry about climate change, cooling the Earth by a few degrees isn't even a challenge if you can terraform Mars...
Thinking about our lil mr putin there are many more man made problems than just climate change. I honestly dont wanna know what will happen when natural ressources like oil and gas run out but i can almost promise you that it will end up in war
It's like, yeah we'll be able to make a terrible effort to do something impossible when we are not even capable of doing the least for something at our grasp...
Not just climate change, nuclear war is more likely
@@LeFacteurK Exactly! If people can't go vegan and stop having kids, because their penises and vaginas have urges, then no way are we going into space.
Bill Gates was seriously proposing shooting a ridiculous amount of dust into the atmosphere to cool global temperatures, and I guarantee that proposal will get floated more often as climate disasters increase. They absolutely are considering terraforming projects here
The idea of escaping a climate catastrophe by colonizing Mars is so bizarre. It's like you encounter a dangerous animals while stranded on an island in the middle of an ocean and you decide to row out into the ocean on a wood plank.
Rich people ultimate plan 1. Pollute Earth for your own gain 2. Move to new planet while keeping the poor behind 3. Pollute that planet for your own gain again 4. Repeat steps 2 and 3 indefinitely
The fact that people cannot live in Antartica for long periods of times due to declining mental health just speaks volumes on how ridiculous it would be for regular human civilians mental health living on an entirely different planet millions of miles away from your planet of origin
@@alexbernier7903 People with autism love being alone. It's how we recharge our social battery.
I mean, if we're talking a full fledged colony of at least several hundreds colonists and not a couple of pressurized shacks it would be less of a problem. Yes, it might be super uncomfortable for claustrophobic people, but other than that, if it features recreational areas with plants and whatnot, they might do just fine.
@@alexbernier7903This has nothing to do with psychological fortitude. A *quick* mission to Mars (as in reaching Mars and immediately heading back to Earth) would take years and be in itself insanely challenging and stressful for everyone involved, not only from a financial and logistic point of view but also in terms of the astronauts survivability. There would be an endless amount of hurdles for the astronauts to overcome, from limited fuel reserves to the long term effects of weightlessness on the human body. Establishing an entire colony on Mars would be the hardest, most difficult and technologically demanding feat of engineering humans have ever achieved. With current technology it would essentially be a suicide mission with a 95% chance of complete catastrophe.
They never got the memo that "you never go full retard" :D
@@lurgee1706 Recreational areas? They are not opening a hotel over there. Fuel for this mission will have to be counted to the very last drop, any extra weight being carried by the spacecraft will have a direct influence on how much fuel is needed to get to Mars, not to mention the fact this would be a one way mission to Mars without the possibility of the astronauts ever coming home. Any miscalculations with regards to fuel and supplies would result in the death of all the astronauts involved. I don't think lay people understand just how dangerous and unlikely this mission is to succeed with current day technology. We're simply not there yet.
"A self destruct button in case colonists unionize", you say it as a joke, but I feel it could be less of a joke than you think it is given this dystopia always seems to bear the worst outcomes
The Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare campaign basicly
just cut off theiroxygen supply. totalrecall.
A self-destruct button is unnecessary, they just got to deny service to the colony and it should implode on its own.
ahh yeah, unionize and there is riot and create an archduchy in space as their heart no longer pulled down by earth gravity
@@joaoribeiro1693 Titanfall campaign basically
I’d rather live in a nuclear wasteland with fallout winter than on Mars… Fleeing to Mars because of climate change, is like resettling from a house filled with smoke to a dynamite factory on fire…
It’s so satisfying to come across a safe haven on KZhead where everybody agrees how stupid an idea space colonization is. I really felt like I was the only one.
Anyone who accuses Elon's projects of being a "train wreck" clearly doesn't understand even the basic principles behind his plans. It's a POD wreck. Get it right.
Or a "rloop" week. (The hype died out long ago.)
What's a tr*in? I only know about conjoined pods
POD wreck??
A multi-pod pile-up.
Now, this is pod racing!
Honestly I'm really surprised the Moon-first angle isn't considered nearly as often as it should be. Even if we want to put Mars above all else, having a presence on the lunar surface can allow us to build new spacecraft and base modules so they don't have to be launched from Earth. And even if we hold off on colonizing Mars, the ideas you brought up are honestly reason enough to at least give it a shot. Honestly this was kinda more of a rant from me, Mars is cool but I think more people need to be on #TeamLuna
I think We should first be able to save our planet from various climate issue then move on to any other place in space
@@vijaykumarjha7822 tech developed in space is often what gets us out of our messes. Plus, if we can mine resources off-planet, it means that we'll no longer have to dig stuff out of the ground on earth, with all the consequences that entails
@@vijaykumarjha7822 Lunar mining and asteroid mining solves a large pollution problem.
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Plus, orbital manufacturing in zero gravity allows for better quality products, such as imperfection-free fibre optical cables, lenses or building materials which are invaluable
A better thing about the Moon Colony, is that the launch window is much more forgiving, a rescue mission leaving from Earth would prob need only a day at max to line up a trajectory, instead of two years
I remember learning about the Mars One project in elementary school, we had questions like: Would you consider living on Mars without the possibility of coming back to Earth? I just thought it was crazy that people were willing to throw their life away for some crazy, destined-to-fail, Mars project It makes me a little happy that they went bankrupt
I saw this one A.I. generated quote that said,"They can force you to exercise regularly, but they can't force you to travel to Mars", and honestly, exercising regularly sounds better to me than traveling to Mars.
People don't do that already? I can't live without my Jim-induced dopamine hit
If you did the latter, you'd probably have to do the former as well to stave off bone and muscle atrophy, the way astronauts do on the ISS. Especially on the 7-9 month flight over, which you'll presumably spend in zero-G unless your ship has some kind of rotating hab ring that simulates gravity via centrifugal force.
wow what a profound thing to say really gotteem this time
@@georgewright4285 WE GO JIM
Sorry, the quote is wrong. They CAN force you to travel to Mars but they CANNOT force to exercise regularly. Just look at Americans.
I remember Neil de Grasse Tyson & Bill Nye basically explaining to folks that the technology and effort required to terraform Mars would be far better spent mitigating climate disaster on Earth....and much more realizable as a goal.
OK, Jeff Bezos' super yacht would far better be spent feeding starving African kids, along with that iPhone you have
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@@Ludwig1625 Yatchs can't feed people, neither can paper.
terraforming is a whole new game, the "going to mars is dumb" thing is just because mars is at our level of tech unterraformable, and yeah, before we terraform mars we will use it to solve earth problems, but the technology has to be invented first
Dead-fucking-ass. This whole Mars mission is frustrating. 🤬😤😾
If the 1% wishes to move to Mars, I’m all for empowering them to do so.
First you have to make a "launch platform" that can be used more than once. And not have it damage the rocket when it takes off as it explodes in a shower of concrete chunks.
Haha!
"And a remote control self-destruct mechanism in case colonist try to unionize" I laughed so hard then I started to doubt if it was actually true
The first thing you have to do when unionizing Mars colony is disable it
People giving shit for musk not unionizing are dumb. He pays good anyway.
Someone's been playing the Red Faction games
Honestly, I suspect that Mars colonists would cut all ties with Earth the moment they become self-sufficient
@@schizophrenicgaming365 well he doesn't though He recently fired an engineer for proving that Tesla's Self-driving system was an utter mess
I would like to add to the hazards of a mars colony with this: mars frequently suffers major dust storms which can obscure the already faint sunlight for long periods of time; and since our first mission there we have already seen planet spanning dust storms six times, often blackening the sky for 9 months or longer. Beyond the obvious danger to permanent structures on the surface, this will also put a major strain on every colonist's psyche and make solar power an unreliable source of energy.
Also i read somewhere (someone fact check this plz) that mars' sand has a tendency to stick to everything and be really hard to clean. Might seem like a small issue but since going out would be dangerous, everything would need to be done with mecanical units, whom use a variety of sensors and cameras who would just either not work or be obscured by the sand
@@mhplayer ah yes, radioactive sticky sand
@MH player I've also heard that the sand and dust is so thin on mars that it can damage lungs.
I mean you don't need to worry about that in Venus at least. It's the atmospheric pressure over 90 times greater than earth, avarge temperatures of 464 C°, days that are 243 earth days long (night-time for 121.5 days, yay!), Sulfuric acid rain... I mean at least you don't need to worry about microgravity or micro astroids...
@@mhplayer Dust on Mars is tinier than dust on earth thanks to billions of years of grinding.
The National Geographic's docudrama series Mars, as pointed out by Murlidhar Aher, is a way to see this whole hypothesis. Furthermore, as pointed by ninjaswordtothehead, the idea of uber-rich people trying to escape a problem they created, journeing through space to a red, dusty, radioactive, harsh rock only to find themselves in an unimaginable hell where they would be eaten away by cancer in a utterly miserable death, die of miscelaneous and trivial accidents or phenomena, or outright kill eachother is indeed greatly endeering. You go there, Felon Musk!
The colony is already in the CGI rendering stage, LOL! Well done.
fun fact: I actually got fairly far into the process with Mars One back in 2012, and you're correct - I was not emotionally balanced at the time 😅
What were your motivations, just out of interest?
Tell us more, please...
Yes please!
I was coming out of a very traumatic teenage-hood in which I was heavily medicated for a misdiagnosis of bipolar. I had finally stopped taking all the meds which essentially chemically lobotomized me, made me sleep for 18+ hours a day, and made me so fUCKIN HUNGRY that I had gained over 100 pounds in a year alone. It would take me years to develop and reach equilibrium because I was emotionally stuck at 15, the age I was when I started the meds, even though I was 19 when I stopped them (20 at the time of Mars One). By 2012, I had discovered that I actually was kinda smart, and actually loved things, and I had fallen hard for outer space so I had started pursuing a degree in astrophysics. So, yeah, Mars One was the kind of thing where hey, this is probably a scam, but I should try!!!!! It was a very on-the-nose sort of escapism, you could say. I wasn't super pleased with how my short life had gone so far, and hey, I could be on MARS! For how I am now, turns out I have ADHD and anxiety, along with a chronic illness which makes my adrenaline spike super hard making that anxiety extra bad sometimes, but Adderall does more for me than 4 simultaneous antipsychotics ever did. I've been married for 4 years and have 3 cats now, so I wouldn't change anything that's gotten me to where I am now because I'm exceptionally happy. 2012 and Mars One exists in my memory as a time of bittersweet cringe, much like I imagine most people think about their teen years 😅
@@trashcrow so today's you wouldn't recommend 2012 you to go to Mars then. I could never understand why someone would want a one way ticket to Mars. Yes at first blush it seems cool and all, but essentially you'd be stuck in a tin can for the rest of your shortened life. If you want to get away, anywhere on earth is more hospitable than Mars.
As for terraforming, since Mars doesn't have a magnetosphere like earth, it seems that it was the main reason that it's atmosphere is so thin, simply because of the solar winds blowing the atmosphere out of mars and into space. So, if someone tries to terraform Mars, first has to address this issue. Otherwise it will be like trying to inflate a tire with a massive hole in it
Look for NASA's Jim Green proposal to put a magnetic dipole at Mars-Sun L1 lagrange point. This should rebuild Mars' atmosphere in just decades, theoretically.
@@sovo1212 and how much time to develop such a device? How much time to create the necessary conditions for it to work in mars? And how many trips to mars would it take to assemble such a structure? In theory everything is simple, but overcoming the tecnical challenges is a whole other story. Just look at fusion, theoretically, the way to use fusion to power our society is almost 100 years old, yet we weren't able to overcome the technical challenges needed to build a viable fusion reactor
@@cdribeiro82 From what I read, the device should be the size of 2 MRI machines (i.e. not that big and certainly not unfeasible). I'd say it can be done in 1 single Starship trip. The only issue is the L1 orbit itself, which is not 100% stable, so you will need to refuel or replace the device every 10-15 years. The closest thing is the James Webb telescope, this would be a little bit more challenging, given the distance. But still doable.
@@sovo1212 you know all this yet work at burger king
@@killamazilla3835 LMAO, not Burger King, but still couldn't be farther to anything related to astrophysics.
"Its day 80 of the LiF/Ve On Mars reality show!" "James is black out drunk for the 76th consecutive day!" MF kept his cool for 4 fucking days
_"the project is already in the CGI rendering stage."_ 🤣😆😂
Accounts of antarctic winter madness are really interesting to read. An Argentinian medical officer actually set their base on fire so that they were forced to evacuate him. Russians have attacked each other with axes over chess. People go really weird and enter a state of semi-awake hibernation. This mental condition combined with the hazards of Mars would result in multiple deaths in short order.
@BearSeek Berserker The shape-shifting alien was caused by delirium tremens...
> Russians have attacked each other with axes over chess. Wait, you mean the Voorhees Gambit is NOT considered a legal move outside of Antarctica?
Stick 400 open sea sailors and 2500 ready-for-combat soldiers on a 600 foot long ship for six months... pick any contiguous six months... and see what happens. The U.S. Navy calls it a Med-Cruise on a Gator Freighter... It's not unusual to watch people's minds deteriorate and fracture... and that's with regular stops all over the place for touristy BS and souvenirs... between floats and war games and drills and patrols... with plenty to do... and free time for "self care"... Antarctica ain't no joke, but you hardly need to get extreme circumstances to notice issues with depression, anxiety, psychosis... and there's relatively little done and what IS to be done is primitive at the best of times. ;o)
Average SS13 round
@BearSeek Berserker the shape shifting Alien was Russians
Fun fact: The Netherlands is the second largest exporter of agricultural products (by value), after the US, despite the high population density.
Ah Dutch people being perfect again, greetings from your less perfect neighbours....
But our co2 emission per person is also really high.. we would need multiple planet earth if everybody lived like us...
@@RichardBoomsma the emission isn't _really high_ it's just above the (european) average, bigger countries like the us and china much higher emissions and we still don't need a new planet (yet)
You look at the data like a 5yo would… it is just because goods are brought to NL and shipped overseas from there, not because they produce them.
Fun fact: A lot of those agricultural products are actually flowers
Terraforming the Sahara would be unironically an ecological disaster
It definitely would be an ecological disaster, but, what do you mean by "unironically"?
The man couldn't handle twitter and blew it up trying to take it "premium" And we expect him to actually provide anything of value to a mars mission?
Kinda surprised Adam would use "trainwreck" to describe something made by a guy who hates trains More of a Tesla pileup IMO
Tesla pileup in a tunnel designed to stop traffic and car accidents, which is also too small to be able to open your car doors, so you get cooked alive in your shitty EV when its battery spontaneously combusts.
I'm now using Tesla Pileup as part of my vocab in honor of Trains being infinitely better.
When trainwrecks is an understatement, we move to tesla pileup lmao
More of a huge hyperloop.
Tesla pileup-driven Loop tunnel inferno
If you really want to feel how Mars feel like, go visit the Gobi Desert. It has everything that mars has except for low gravity and bonus point is that you can breathe there normally without any equipments.
@Balaram Chakrabarty or asteroids... Gobi wins
The whole "Plan B" argument is just ridiculous, it's so childishly naïve that I'm in awe how anyone could ever accept it. I mean, even if climate change hits us with ten times the brutality that science is expecting, that would still be nothing compared to the fucking Mars desert. If it's about bunkers: we could have that on earth, too, minus the need for constant radiation protection.
minus point : china
@@halleyconjecture4770 💀
The whole point is exploration, this is like saying why go and explore the depths of the ocean when you can go in the hot tub? It's so warm and bubbly guys
Next time somebody shows enthusiasm over a Mars colony, ask them: “If you were a fish, would you rather live in the ocean or a fishbowl in someone’s living room?”
1:38 lmao if we can't even figure out climate change, how could we possibly expect to terraform a planet?
one of my first thoughts when seeing the Shield Helicarrier was actually "that's cool as hell but it would never fly."
I thought the Helicarrier was dumb and this is why. Have you ever noticed that China doesn't have that many aircraft carriers? Do you know why that is? Because they don't need to. If we ever went to war, they would send a shit storm of anti carrier cruise missiles at each one of our carriers and overwhelm their defenses.
lol yeah. and even if it did fly, it literally has zero backup plans for when the engines fail.
@@TheRyderShotgunn In hindsight. Why was IronMan Help Us! the backup plan for an engine failure?
my first thought was "man that thing would be loud!"
@@unclefrogy743 exactly
Looks at Earth: "Why would anyone live in the sahara desert? its only sand, rocks and death. " Looks at mars: "OMG it would be so cool to live in a planet where there is space desert, space rocks and space death!"
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Yes exactly, imagine even just the mental toll of looking out and only seeing desert instead of trees and ponds. I will never leave this beautiful blue and green planet that literally has everything on it that we need to survive and prosper.
Yes but even the Sahara has vastly made more opportunities for survival. If Mars has any, we haven't found them yet! At least in the Sahara you can hopefully hunt some wild animals, if they havent been hunter to fkn extinction yet. And depending on where you are, it's not all sand dunes, such as the Atlas Mountains. You could theoretically shelter in the canyons and find water, plants and animals. Just sayin. If any living thing exists on Mars, no one has been told about it or we haven't found it... and you kinda have to wonder, if you were a Mars colonist, "what IS out there?" For all they know, there really are 300-ft sand worms coming to eat the whole group. Maybe there really are Hutts, Bantha, sarlacc, Jawas, and Tusken raiders. You don't wanna get there and find out😂😂😂
@@loturzelrestaurant anouther basically elon worshiper but also not really is everyday astronaut, he went from talking about space to interviewing Elon and streaming about the starships every fucking second
@@erikm8372 Lmao, good point, we'll have to send the Mandalorian and Grogu to find out.
I sure do love going to a toxic, irrradiated, burning, freezing, death pit!
You know what’s even stupider is that Elon thinks he can skip colonizing the moon before he colonizes mars.
Elon: "We've got to escape to mars to escape overpopulation and pollution" Also Elon: "We need to have more babies and environmental standards are bullshit"
I don't know where you're getting this from, Elon has reiterated over and over that Mars is not an "escape", it's a second base to help ensure the survival of the human species.
He really just wants a disposable planet to use up and throw away. That trope about invasive parasite aliens that basically do the same thing is Elon Musk in a nutshell. That is the kind of spacefaring society we should avoid creating. If we do, literally every other species in the universe would be better off making sure we never come anywhere near them lol
@@theagemaway he could put it on the moon not mars
@@GAxelic he should fly himself to mars so we can cut his supplies and are finally free of these "inventions"
@@GAxelic you could probably even do both
I think people underestimate how hard making Mars actually self sufficient. You'd need to be able to manufacture every single part used to create the colony in the first place from scratch
Yea exactly, and even at that, everything will be made of iron. Mars is rich in iron, it covers its entire surface. We can't just make everything out of iron lmao. It'd be like the dark ages
there isnt even a self sufficient city on planet earth.
@@partypooper8198 Lmao, you're right. Modern life is so intertwined with the cooperation of all the other civilized areas.
Modern supply chains to build anything is very long and complex. A colony on mars needs to be "high tech" and self sufficient on most stuff. So first we have to figure out how that could work within just a colony. On earth where we are evolved to survive some can survive with just stone age tech but that don't work on Mars. So how do we build everything and repair/maintain all the tools and machines with a low number of people (few specialists) and the materials available on Mars. So we have to start figuring out how to shorten and simplify supply chains.
@@lubricustheslippery5028 I was watching a documentary once, not related to going to Mars, but it did eventually bring that in. Anyways, they had this geologist on there who was talking about Mars. I guess it's entire surface is covered in iron. The guy was pretty much saying that since we have so much iron, building infrastructure won't be a problem. Super confident rights? So in my head I'm kinda joking with myself. We're basically gonna send up a bunch of blacksmiths in spacesuits who have to build out shelters with enough oxygen to run a forge, and they're gonna build out Mars for us. Better start recruiting the Iron Workers Union, be sure to send up enough hard alcohol with them. I know that's not how it'll actually be done but another part of me thinks it might also not be far from the truth. This was just my joke take on it. I'd hope they would take up plenty of modern technology with them to make the whole process easier. But in all intellectual honesty, I'll bet some scientists are banking on the fact that it's so rich in iron. Would be funny (not really) if they got there and found out they can't actually use the iron due to atmospheric differences.
It seems to me it is a great idea to send all the rich to Mars. Whoever is left on earth would just make earth better without those greedy rich idiots in the way to screw everything up.
As someone who played Outpost 2, I'm 100% sure that a Mars colony or any space colony is a terrible idea.
Ok, one difference between colonizing Mars vs. colonizing Antarctica. My experience reference is I've been to South Pole station 3 times, but never as a winter-over. I.E. I had the sun (both the poles only have one solar day per year) and daily flights (weather permitting) available in case of emergency. The South Pole is at a high altitude (2,835 m (9,301 ft) according to WikiPedia), but because of atmospheric dynamics and weather effects I experienced pressure altitudes in the range between 10kft and 12kft. Yes, that is livable, but a the edge of livable. One of the (many) things that visitors are briefed on for safety is monitoring oneself and others for the signs of altitude sickness. None of the buildings (except for the emergency hyperbaric chamber in the medical facility) are intentionally pressurized. So one is constantly living at the edge of livable atmospheric pressure. This plays havok with mental facilities and is one of the many contributing factors to the "Winter-Over syndrome" and for the non-winter-overs a general mental fog affecting cognition, memory, and critical thinking skills (simple mental math is really hard, for example). On the hypothetical Mars base all the buildings must be pressurized. If pressurized to close to 1 atmosphere then that contributing factor to psychology and physiology effects would be greatly minimized. Though the isolation effects on Mars will be much worse than even winter-overs experience. Winter-overs, at least, know that they will be leaving the pole in less than 1 year even though flights (read this as escape) are impossible through the entire winter... (There is a "joke" among the recurring staff in Antarctica. The first year you go to Antarctica is for the adventure. The second year is for the money. After that you keep going because you don't fit in anywhere else.) While researching this comment (to make sure I remembered the facts correctly), I ran across some interesting articles. Here is a sample: www.livescience.com/antarctic-expedition-changes-the-brain.html It seems that researchers working at Neumayer Station III experienced shrinkage of portions of the brain, with the hippocampus called out in the article. This station is at nearly sea level, so those researchers are probably a closer match to colonists on Mars living in pressurized environments than researchers (and station personnel) living at South Pole station because of the above discussed pressure altitude reasons.
It’s highly unlikely a Mars colony would be pressurized to a full atmosphere. They’d probably keep it closer to air pressure at about 5,000 feet, more like Denver than sea level. You’d want to minimize strain on your hull and seals.
Great comment, interesting read. Thx
@@sunspot42 Even more likely, they would keep a pure oxygen atmosphere at ~0.2 atm, as they've been doing since the early Apollo missions. This reduces the amount of gas you need to transport to Mars 5 fold. It also reduces the amount of construction materials you need to bring to Mars, since the structures can be lighter to handle less strain.
Is it true that on the first night in Antarctica they put on the film "the Thing" for newbies...then point out no we don't keep flame throwers on the base
@@paddyjoe1884 There's no doubt in my mind there won't be a Musk flamethrower on the ship for no reason
You're an optimist Adam. I think these folks are going to die long before they get anywhere close to Mars.
Radiation will do a little trolling to them.
You're also an optimist, I don't think they'll be even on their way to Mars.
Yeah, months of interplanetary radiation is no joke. This problem has not been worked out yet.
Overpopulation and the Housing Crisis can be easily fixed, as BritMonkey and Second-Thought pointed out and proved.
I just checked the duration of the Apollo missions and from what I can find, no human being has gone beyond 20 days outside of low earth orbit.
Fun fact: The Marvel effect and Elon Musk has closer ties than you think. For instance, when Robert Downey Jr. was interviewed about his research on Tony Stark, he said that he based the character on Elon Musk.
It baffles me that elonbros expect it to be easier to make an uninhabitable planet inhabitable than maintain an already inhabitable planet.
Actual mechanics versus fucking magic, I think it's the same instinct that makes them believe in self driving cars more that city planning and robust public transport to reduce traffic
It's not that hard to maintain an already inhabitable planet, we could probably do it right now if people wanted it. But everyone is overly scared of Geoengineering so we have to use less efficient ways of reducing our climate impact
No one said that. Mars colonization, now or in 50 or in 200 years is needed for mankind survival, regardless of climate change (which is not going to wipe out the human species btw). Is it necessary and unavoidable to get to Mars.
besides assuming tech is a lot better than it is (keep in mind, they don't think ChemEs or MSEs are real engineers like the EEs and CoEs are), the big thing they picture making it 'easier' is the people. They imagine it being made up only of 'makers' who are constantly held back by the 'takers' on earth. they picture a eugenics solution will fix everything, and settling mars lets them make that argument without all that killing or sterilization.
@@chemicalfrankie1030 it is not necessary, there are alternatives to mars that dont have as many downsides. Big space habitats like o'Neil cylinders for instance. you wouldnt have to deal with a pesky gravity well there. another alternative is the moon. I do think we should get to mars eventually, but it doesnt have to be in a few years, we can do it after establishing a more robust orbital infrastructure making travel from mars back to earth possible
The idea that completely engineering the atmosphere of Mars is achievable when we haven't figured out how to make a 1% adjustment to earth's atmosphere is so dumb. Even if we could freely transport any equipment that we wanted to Mars it would be it would be crazy.
I know right? If we had the technology to terraform Mars then why is climate change such a problem still? You wouldn't have to escape Earth you could just reset its atmosphere to optimal, pre-industrial levels.
Well it looks like in recent years we've found that we're pretty good at warming up the climate
Adjusting the atmosphere on earth is difficult because of all the pesky humans that are in the way. On Mars we could take our current understanding of atmospheric engineering to ludicrous extremes that would be very hazardous on an inhabited planet. Think dropping ice bearing asteroids from orbit to increase water levels. There's a great Kurzgesagt video on the topic which agrees with Adam that it's unwise to build a colony but also goes into what might be possible.
Oh no, we've been adjusting our atmosphere for ages... Badly 😆
We are actually pretty good at changing our atmosphere, aren't we? Isnt that the basis for climate change?
Thats always been my issue with terraforming. We cant even MANAGE one planets ecosystem, let alone create a brand new one that works just as well. Its pure sci fi. Even if Mars is colonized, terraforming would have to come much much much later.
And for that whole time you're contending with low gravity. If centrifugal force can be used as an adequate substitute building O'Neil Cylinders would probably be more practical than any permanently settled moon, Mars or Venus colony and you have that cylinder to practice running mini biospheres from the ground up to serve as a foundation before attempting terraforming on something else thousands of years down the line.
We shouldnt carelessly terraform the sahara desert. Deserts are their own ecosystem with life. They play vital roles in the global ecosystem, like the deliverery of nutritious dust across the globe.
Even if humanity does absolutely nothing about climate change, the Earth of the future would still be infinitely more habitable than Mars.
The bottom of the Marianna Trench is still much more habitable than Mars.
How about this, so what? Why are you against humanity expanding? Why do you hate humanity so much that you think we don't deserve to explore and colonize the stars.
@@coledibiase5971 because it is fucking pointless. At least colonizing the deep sea would bring knowledge about OUR planet and maybe also ressources.
@@coledibiase5971 why do YOU hate Earth so much? if you can "colonize the stars" (lol), surely you can also stop destroying Earth? "Humanity expanding" lol how about you and your pals start supporting unions so people don't have to die of starvation and astronomical (pun not intended) medical bills? Or just be honest and say "humanity==top 0.05% of richest people", in which case I wonder who the fck is going to clean up toilets of these mfers in space, because the idea of a billionaire doing it is somehow the biggest sci-fi in all of this
@@coledibiase5971 I'm not against humanity exploring the stars, I'm against the idiotic notion that colonizing Mars could actually be a way to escape the ravages of climate change. Elon Musk doesn't actually have any intention of going through with his colonization plan, and anybody who believes him doesn't know anything about science.
16:01 "Living on Mars" reality TV show, episode 72: "Robert is hanging from the ceiling." Classic! 😂
I'm not sure that would even kill him, because of the less gravity, yet the guy would still try doing that anyway because it's hell.
@@paulaldo9413 😂😂😂 oh my god you are right
That will be Bill Gates who will hang from the ceiling, not Robert!
6:20 "...with a wide range of dying opportunities available to you." I almost "died" laughing here...
Terra forming mars would be a centuries long extremely unpredictable process, which will likely involve crashing giant asteroids from the asteroid belt that contains desired elements into mars. The problem is the technology to haul those asteroids around and the time for mars to settle down afterwards is huge. It might even be impossible. But if it is that would likely be the only way.
“A space tourism facility for rich assholes” had me rolling 🤣
Me too! Love this guy!!
Which a few decades down the line would become a space tourism facility for poor assholes, because everything gets cheaper and more accessible over time.
Thats because its true, Capitalist System 🗿
Even better, tell the woke that there's a space tourism facility for rich assholes on Mars. They'll be demanding to go there so they can firebomb it. Then we would have plenty of colonists for Mars, who we don't have to care about landing safely, and who are already psychological basket-cases that no one will miss. They'll eventually add their water content and fertilizer to help future missions and help terraform the planet.
Class Envy has been getting laughs from the masses for thousands of years.
As a science overenthusiast, I am quite satisfied with the conclusion "it's a stupid idea, for the time being at least".
We've got advancing tech and it will reach terraforming sooner than you think
everything is stupid until it's not. that's how human progress works
@@archmad I'm not having high hopes for your comment in the future.
@@archmad Didnt people think the wright brothers were stupid and going to fail before they succeeded? Statistically its massively against spaceX or any company but human nature is to keep throwing yourself (or others) at the problem until its gone
I feel like establishing a moon colony would be far more useful and realistic, Idk if elon has ever considered doing that instead.
Really enjoyed & appreciated this video, Adam. Thank you for dedicating the time to talk about this issue!!!
dude im pissing my pants this is the funniest video ive ever watched. 15:00 A SKYPE CALL HOLY SHIT IM DYING
“If we did send humans to mars, it would be the top 1%” “Living on mars would be awful” SOUNDS WONDERFUL, LET’S DO IT! :D
Yeah. Me too thinks that Adam missed this positive thing completely 🤔We have to encourage Elon to go there and take all his buddies like Peter Thiel with him 🥳
Yep! Convinced! There was a old polish anarchist magazine, called "Maćpariadka", and on one their issues in the late 90' they stated "Life on Mars? [There] Will be! [Send] Politicians to Mars!".
Where can I donate to this?
We start with the hairdressers and telephone sanitizers...
If you haven't yet "colonized" the high Antarctic, and achieved a sustainable closed arcology (that doesn't even need local air but makes its own from indoor plants) then you are not yet ready to colonize the Moon, much less Mars.
yeah, and also the whole notion of "this planet is doomed, therefore we need to spread out" is comical. Who doomed it in the first place, pray tell? And if you have the technology to fix an unhospitable hellhole into a living space, surely you can also fix the original planet as well? Oh and also, what makes us think these same humans that created a society on earth that destroyed the planet, would be capable of creating a new society from scratch that wouldn't destroy that second planet too? And if you can create a "good" society on Mars, what's stopping you from doing the same on Earth? And most importantly, who the fck is going to clean up toilets on Mars?? Will those 20 richest people on earth that migrate to Mars clean up their own shit suddenly? Somehow thats the biggest sci-fi in all of this
I'm not sure what you could mean here, the antarctic does have one or two self-sufficient bases and I don't believe that a private company is allowed to setup shop there, with it being a global nature reserve and all
i'm thinking the same reason we want people semi-permanent on moon would be research related similar as to why we put people on the antarctic although one of them is a lot more expensive and could go terribly wrong but then the planet we live on is dangerous doubly so outside of it
@@SS-rf1ri There is not a single human facility in the Antarctic which is anywhere hear 50% "self-sufficient," much less completely self-contained and 100% sustainable as any off world colony ideally should be. I think you are not comprehending what the term means. Self-sufficient in this context means: after a certain period of construction, setup and provisioning, the facility LITERALLY does not need anything from Earth and can sustain itself more-or-less permanently only with the resources immediately available in the immediate setting. Critical resources include: air, drinking water, sanitary water, food, medicine, materials for construction, fabrication and repair and all the facilities, tools, and equipment needed to perform all of these functions of self-sustenance. All Antarctic facilities require routine supply deliveries of virtually everything needed for people to survive and work there. Breathable air is obviously something for which Antarctica IS self-sustaining (thus the privoso that the proof-of-concept Antarctic Mars Demonstration Base needs to be sealed in and only use air from indoor plants), and possibly for water. Everything else must be brought to the base on a routine basis, twice yearly or more, if memory serves.
@@dichebach ah I see, I assumed it meant energetically and operably, but of course majority of supplies still need to be shipped/flown in
They could do a reality show on Mars. Have people competing for food, air, or other necessities. Plus, at the end of each episode, you do an elimination, where the players vote on one person to launch out an airlock. People would surely tune in.
they should do that that would go so hard
Can't wait to watch "The Martians With Bear Grylls"
A bunch of billionaires who need a servant to tie their shoe laces, sitting around on Mars waiting for each other to do something. Yeah, that's gonna work 😂
I think the main problem with a Mars colony is thinking of it as, well, a colony - a place where people come to live, work, have kids, that sort of thing. I think instead, we should be thinking of it as something much more akin to those Antarctic outposts Adam mentioned - places meant to sustain a small crew of highly trained scientists who have undergone extensive psychological screening. And instead of staying forever, they would be rotated out as often as launch windows allow, limiting their exposure to Mars' high radiation levels and low gravity and hopefully alleviating the psychological impact of their stay, too, since they only have to endure life on Mars for like two years instead of the rest of their lives.
One could also argue that a sporadic presence in a given theater eventually leads up to a continuous presence, and that one must walk before they can run. Sure, we haven't had a continuous presence in space save the ISS, but eventually we will find solutions to the problems of low gravity, high radiation levels and psychological strain. Two of those problems can at least be solved up on the moon, namely the "cabin fever" and low gravity problem. We also have to be optimistic that something will be discovered up there that allows the moon to become more heavily industrialized long-term, and by so doing, expanding the livable space up there.
exactly. I am all for Mars as a research outpost. arguably we should establish on on the moon first as they can get better support from earth.
Exactly. First missions will be return missions with just a handful of people. Then for many years, "outposts" with a few dozen highly trained and selected people doing research and building infrastructure. There won't be traditional colonies for decades at least. And by colony, I mean a population of at least thousands with families, and maybe kids born there. (We don't even know the long-term low gravity effects on things like pregnancy. So, whoever is stating actual deadlines is lying and nobody knows. This includes those that say it will never happen.)
@@shanekeenaNYC As a side note: There have been plenty of other space stations, not just ISS.
@@Vorname_Nachname_ I know.
Even after a climate disaster, Earth would still be a better place to live in than Mars.
having a breathable atmosphere rocks!
@@LarsRubarth1 not sure if in a disaster the atmosphere survives
@@Nastalas The atmosphere can't just disappear like that. This is Earth, and not Mars.
@@oddtomato1049 well earth already lost a big part of the atmosphere, check dinosaurs
@@Nastalas The Earth getting into a heated argument with the Sun, and having a space rock hurled into the planet are two entirely different disasters.
15:56 It hurts to laugh this much! XD
0:43 ok but "lol we're on Mars" IS a very valid reason to go to Mars I mean we should probably deal with the myriad of problems on Earth right now BUT
Really glad you brought up "the Moon is better" as a point. Especially if we're going to eventually colonize Mars or do anything in the solar system, a moon facility to launch from would be incredibly useful.
You need to learn to walk before you can run ...
The irony of this is that NASA will be using Starship as their lander for the Artemis/HLS mission(s) to the moon.
Mars spins at a pretty reasonable rate. Its day is just over 24 hours long, so a day on Mars would be roughly equivalent to a day on Earth. A day on the moon lasts as long as 28 Earth days, which would take a fair bit of adjustment.
Also, because Mars’ day is relatively short, the day-to-night temperature difference is not too dramatic. On the moon, the day is very hot and the night is very cold. There is an almost 300 degrees Celsius, or 572 degrees Fahrenheit, temperature difference between the day and night temperatures on the moon. Such a large day-to-night temperature difference can make it really difficult to engineer the right living systems, such as habitats and cars for moving around and space suits for going outside. Imagine if during the day, your house, car, and cloths had to be designed for Phoenix, Arizona, during the summer, and at night, everything had be designed for Antarctica in the winter. That would be tough!
Mars has an atmosphere. It’s not really a great atmosphere, but at least it is one. It is mostly carbon dioxide, which is great for plants, but really sucks for us humans. The atmosphere allows wind to blow, which helps to equalize the day-to-night temperature differences-but causes a lot of dust to move around, too. The atmosphere also means that we can pressurize domes and structures using air from outside.
“Following 5 years of work the project is still in the CGI stage” - every futuristic project ever
I know, right?
Except the rocket is almost there, tested multiple times.. and getting bigger and bigger. Of course the work is in CGI stage, we aren't on Mars yet..
@@matpit5136 lol the rocket crashes multiple times you mean? Bigger and bigger? Oh god, the fanboys sure are dumb
Imagine asking for your first day off from slave labor in 3 months and Elon responds by not sending the food rocket.
I believe the point of colonizing mars is not the end goal of another habitable planet, but the technological advancements made through competition and necessity
This is not to say that the goal is achievable
The idea that Mars could be used to save humanity is stupid as shit. Imagine earth but every square inch is nuked and the earth is stuck in a deep nuclear winter. Make that about 5 times as worse and then have 0 chance of recovery, and that's Mars.
I think we need to go to Mars to expand in general. This planet will eventually die. Might as well try and become space faring.
I've never considered that, but you actually make a really good point. Even in the worst-case scenario, I can't imagine how we could possibly fuck up so badly that the living conditions on Mars are actually more attractive than here on Earth. We would have to: - somehow eliminate over 99% of our atmosphere and remove ALL of the oxygen - somehow cool our planet's iron core such that it no longer produces a magnetic field - somehow get rid of ALL our planet's surface and atmospheric water (where would it even go??) I just don't see how that's physically possible. Even if the entire earth is an irradiated wasteland and we have to resort to living in underground bunkers, we would still have the two most important necessities (water and oxygen) that we could extract from the environment in order to sustain ourselves.
@@icantthinkofaname4265 I mean sure eventually, when we have better technology. But right now it’s silly.
@@icantthinkofaname4265 but why mars? why not just... orbit? we can even make artificial gravity by spinning the space station.
@@Wander01390 idk tbh. Maybe Mars is just easier to sell the public on lol.