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I agree, but it isn’t the price driving the sales it’s the fact that they made a decently fun or good game
Please address the fact the publisher of your game appears on SBI partner list. This seems like corruption.
@@zekego He can't. He sold his soul to those guys. Nothing he does now is objective anymore.
Your lies and omissions are also making sense now
truth comes out bellualar. Hope your games is a failure for failing to address the sweet baby inc stuff.
Overwatch- "people don't really want pve shooters." Helldivers- "ok"
Tbf: that was the money monies in management not the Overwatch team
As a long time player, the worst part was that they then released like a single mission of their unfinished pitched campaign mode, then used it's terrible sales as a metric to prove that no one wanted it. Nah man. Lots of people wanted it. I would have paid for it too. I just don't want to pay for an unfinished campaign that literally couldn't deliver what you pitched me years ago. Like for real Overwatch 2 has been out for over a year and I still can't inspect my weapons in game the way they showed in the trailer for Overwatch 2 like five years ago.
I have over 1000 hours in overwatch. I played about 2 hours of overwatch 2 and it was the same game minus a tank. I stopped playing and said I would absolutely come back to play the pve and pay for it. When I found out they weren't doing pve I deleted the game. No point waiting. @@Shifft-This
DRG : rock and stone
In my opinion... Overwatch definitely wasn't the game to make one at that time, especially with Bobby in charge. 😂 If they had announced that anytime AFTER he left then MAYBE they could've put out the campaign they actually wanted to make.
What's the old saying? Buying at launch guarantees you to play the worst version of the game at the highest price?
It used to be different... But that's when Physical was the only way to get games...
@@SUCHMISH Also, if there were major bugs in the game, they couldn't as easily patch it up back then as with the "always online" type games we have nowadays, or when they can just put an update on steam which will then automatically update the game.
I like to call them the Premium Bèta testers.
@@jaco6971 That's true, buts that's why it was better. They most of them knew that if the game came out it would be out in that state forever, most devs would make sure that most of the bugs wouldn't just happen to casual players and bug hunters had to go out of there way to find them. Re-releases were a thing then to, I must be sure that you remember the Greatest Hits, Player Choice, Game of the Year additions, or Nintendo Selects of the day? But there was the thing there too, you bought the game, you owned it no matter what version came out. You didn't have to worry about patches removing something that made the game fun, or breaking the game too (which has happened before). Even if there were games that still came out in broken states, you can just go back to the store and trade/sell it for another game!! You didn't have to do this refund stuff that invades privacy, you could of even popped it into a disk drives and copied it for emulation. The truth is you owned your games back then, and developers and most publishers knew what would happen if it came out bad, so they put more effort to make the most solid experience possible.
Nah, that's Pre-order. THe worst version of the game with higher price than normal.
A wise man once said: "let's laugh at the industry who never learns anything tee hee"
Let's "all" laugh Thought you would like to know. Oh also a second "hee" at the end.
Top comment I love Larry
Never pay full price for late pizza.
Mm yes. Very good words from Nil Asterisks.
watch them charge an additional 40 dollars for any added dlc content
I wouldn't pay $10 for Suicide Squad
If someone tried to give it to me for free with some other purchase I'd still ask for a refund.
If it came with a graphics card, I would expect a discount on that card.
I wouldn't pay for Suicide Squad EVER, you can have that gay joker
Yeah it's not worth any amount of money honestly it looks awful. I'd rather change hobby than play it.
I would not play it for 10
If I'm paying 70$ I'm expecting bg3 levels of quality. If I'm paying 30-40$ If I fall through a floor I'm laughing and sending a bug report as long as the game is still good.
Sadly you don’t represent the entire gaming market. Truth is 70 USD now means STANDARD. Any game can be that. And 40 USD isn’t how games come out. But rather buying an old game… which also means you probably won’t fall of the map because they have been patched already. So gamers who wait are the winners in paper. But if you care and follow a series like RE9 or DMC6 we are cursed to pay 70 USD to not be spoiled.
@@josetomascamposrobledano4618 glady that isn't the case anymore, that is why AAA devs were crying, begging us not to hold them to BG3's standards.
I paid 40 euros for bg3 in early access lol, good deal
@@brieucferaud1037 saaaaaame. Knowing it was going to be good.
BG3 is the most I have ever bought a game for, and it earned it. Sure, I might not represent the majority, but who gives a sheet. I vote with my wallet and stick by it.
i'm only ready to pay a whole 70 bucks for something that's worth said 70 bucks...
I would pay $100 if they never add in an online store. Thing is the online store makes them thousands if not millions.
I'm willing to pay $70 for a game that is worth $70. Unfortunately, most of these games are trash.
I remember a time when $70 got you a collector's edition with the physical game disc. My, how the times have changed.
70$ should contain all the future DLC they wanna put in otherwise fk that.
so basically nothing, most Triple A been total shit show lately
I like food more than gaming.
have you considered gamifying your food?
@@CollinGerberding "...And that was the story of how Doom was played on a potato battery."
@@CollinGerberdingI mean, have you seen Dragon's Dogma 2 and Monster Hunter World's food segments? That's pretty much it. xD
Apparently you also hate proper grammar lol...
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60-70$ is not "huh Ill give it a try" price. Its "Im sure ill love this" price. 5-20$ is "if I get a few hours of fun" price
I’ll take a chance but it’s a tough sell. Capcom got me at 70$ on DD 2. I’m more than happy with it. But I can’t think of another developer besides Remedy that will get me to drop 70$ right now. And honestly Remedy will have a tough sell, too.
In this economy, I’m not going to spend $70 on a game unless it’s absolute peak.
With the obscene amount of "micro transactions" in modern games they ought to be free. I'm for sure am done paying for this shit.
I think that might be the thing - Warner brothers can afford to discount Justice League in a way something like Cities can't because they always envisioned it as a live service. Odds are they never expected to make money on selling the game, they expected to make money on selling endless premium content via Microtransactions. Economically therefore they're more like crack dealers - you can afford to give the first hit free if it nets you a customer for life ...
My steam library is so vast at this point I Just wait for games to go on sale at a good price. I get a better version of the game and I avoid bad games. If it turns out the game is bad and never gets fixed ... well there are plenty of other games to play.
This. I break out old classics all the time. Dawn of War 1 is always good, shogun2, new Vegas, sins, torchlight2, ect. Buying games with extreme replay value is also key. Games like BG3, hoi4, ck3, sins, fnv, with hundreds of hours baked in are each a reason to never buy a live service game.
yeah me too, I passed the 3000 mark on Steam a few months ago. There are so many cheap games to get. Everything from the sales all the way to the bundles in HumbleBundle. I don't even need to buy new games at all since my backlog is even more huge than Lizzo's ass. No idea why people still pays 70 bucks for a game.. that is not surprisingly almost always a crappy game.
This is me. Totally. Got a game coming out I wanna buy. Great, I play hoi4:owb in the meantime. It came out but cost $70? Cool, I'll play my xcom2+dlcs.
Exactly the same thing I do. No point in buying new games when my library is already huge, I just put games on wishlist. And Epic and Prime keep throwing more games at me every week, once in a while is a game that is on that wishlist.
Speaking of xcom, and not paying full price for games, if I HAD paid full price for xcom I would have asked for a refund and extra for false advertising. There's zero reason it should ever have been more than a $25 game.
Cheaper, shorter games with a strong central gameplay loop and identity. These are far superior to expensive games with runtime padded by 50 different gameplay systems/minigames which all feel like half-baked demos for a more complete product that doesn't exist.
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Its easier to make a bloated 50+ hour game than it is to make a 10 hour game someone wants to put 50+ hours into. I've got over 100 hours in bayonetta 1, but on replays skipping cutscenes its only like a 3 or 4 hour game. They just made the core loop really fun and perfecting the combat feels great. Conpared to many long games, where I tend to get 20 hours in and fall off, save for a few that is really grip me narratively or have deep systems(like building broken parties in crpgs).
"runtime padded by 50 different half baked gameplay systems" basically the description of Cyberpunk 2077 in my experience. (And Witcher 3, but as they say, y'all aren't ready for that conversation)
Might I suggest The Pale Beyond?
I'm so disinterested I wouldn't play it on gamepass...
It's worth a shot if you can play it on a friends machine. They get loads of small details right, and their approach to making the game feel live is novel.
Couldn't agree more, they'd have to pay ME to download and play this shit
I wouldnt even bother to to pirate it even it worked online
@@BellularNewsor he could just play Fortnite which is miles better, free to play, and popular
@@rphilipsgeekery4589 I hate fortnite and I would rather play that than Suicide Squad honestly
I rarely pay full price for a game; they are rarely worth it. Not sure if it was the same elsewhere, but I remember brick and mortar stores couldn't give FO76 away
BG3 and Factorio is worth the full price. Dwarf fortress too.
Especially when games like DD2 had no “new game” and no capped fps on release date.
same, i very rarely get hyped for games and usually just try stuff when i start to see lots of youtube content about it. its very rare i pay any more than 30 for a game., two exception were bg3 and dd2. bg3 was worth it. dd2......im mixed. 70 was too much. probably 50 is more fair
Then you may never buy Factorio
AAA studios be scratching their heads wondering why having a thousand-man team to make a game, then charging 70 bucks for it isn't a sustainable practice.
I don't think it's charging $70 that's the problem, it's the 1000 man teams that are. If anything, new video games are the cheapest they've ever been in history.
@@korcommander Don't forget the obscene marketing budgets for AAA games too. The AAA game industry is much like Hollywood now where the same or more gets spent on marketing as did on making the product being marketed.
@martindixon54 Not to mention CEO salaries. Bobby Kotick had a yearly salary that were larger than even the entire budgets for some AAA games developed over multiple years.
I bought Shadow of War after the live service removal full edition with everything less than 30 bucks. Worth it, we gamers are rewarded for our patience while the day 1 players are so often punished
42 is still too expensive lol
A live service should be free to play to begin with.
I mean, for the same price, one could get helldivers 2 instead, which has way better value
@@thorveim1174 Helldivers 2 is a great game. Good game loop. Fun to play.
@@aahzmandiaz2767 and also, it actually does live service well, which is rare.
Lol imagine buying a AAA videogame for $70 😂😂
For my Canadian friends 100 CAD 😬 And can’t even imagine gaming in tons of other countries where the pricing is much worse.
They were pushing it when they were charging $60 for DIGITAL copies. When they upped the price to $70, and still consistently having TERRIBLE day 1 launches, I knew that it was time to start playing the waiting game with new releases. It was time to not just draw the line at NO pre-purchases, but to wait until very VERY good sales came out for these games, no matter how long it takes. I have little to no FOMO, so this works out for me.
lol imagine playing a AAA videogame 😅
I've only paid this twice: Diablo 4 and Resident Evil 4 Remake. D4 made me feel like a schmuck for paying that much money to be a Beta tester, while RE4R felt amazing and worth the money.
@@r390gt1lm THIS. Can't agree more. I mean, "Baldurs Gate 3" is just $54 at GoG, Last Epoch just $18 at Steam.... why bother with always-online AAA ? 😅
I think the reason is simply that the industry is stagnating around the same basic ideas. The games that are popular in 2024, are games that were being played in 2004. There's only so many times you can slap a new coat of paint over an old idea and resell it. Cheaper games, are more willing to take risks and try something different, because they don't need to be a TENTPOLE of revenue that's supposed to finance five years of do-nothing meetings between executives. I got my head out of the clouds in about 2019, and started looking at smaller games...and dear god I have NEVER looked back. I still play the odd major release, but usually, I wait a year or two before buying it to get a STABLE, PLAYABLE game without bugs and glitches. And....I usually get it at a far better price than day one.
I agree. The gaming industry went from AA games with occasional AAA releases to mostly AAA releases, which left smaller games to indy developers. We’re starting to see AA games come back. Helldivers2 basically took the place of Halo coop in the 2004 analogy. Its not really the same game but the niche it fills overlaps quite a bit.
I'm definitely a patient gamer. There is rarely a game that comes out that I feel compelled to play right away. I have a fully stocked Steam library of tons of games I haven't even tried yet. Anytime a new game comes out I add it to my Steam wish list, and just wait to be notified when it goes on sale for at least 30-40% off, then I will buy it. The days of paying full price for games is long gone.
I am right there with you on this one. I often wait for 50% or more depending on what my backlog looks like.
75/5 rule. It has to be 75% off or under £5. No exceptions. Has worked for me for 15 years or so.
what kind of games are even playing then? Cant be very good. Or Piracy
@@ManticorpseLots of really good games go on sale under 5 bucks, they're just usually old classics, not newer stuff.
Helldivers 2 has been a revelation. The gameplay loop is great, and so are the devs.
The game is extremely fun but the devs seem to be trying hard to fuck it up
@@cloudinc2841 review score keeps going up so they aren’t doing a good job.
Even if all games were free, time is still a personal resource that must be paid. Suicide Squad just isn't the best investment of time even among free games.
Still struggling to understand the value proposition of a fully priced multiplayer only game, but there just me.
Yea for me my favorite FPS has been at most 20 dollars and then for any other genre it is basically free or just as cheap.
in the publishers mind they would argue its fair because the amount of time you spend in the game. "you pllay this story game for 20 hours and put it down. but players on our game have an average playtime of 200 hours. its actuallly a better deal
DID I HEAR A ROCK AND STONE????
Deep Rock Galactic is very much worth the £25 quid full price.
God of War on a steam sale for $24 was my patient gamer W
GoW is one of the rare games I bought for full price when it hit Steam and I don't regret it for a second. Amazing masterpiece of a game. Getting to play it for $24 is an absolute steal!
plus less hardware costs not being needed to have a high end device!
That's more than the price I paid originally for the PS4 version. Less than a year of release, it was under $20 granted it was bundled with Detroit: Become Human for a total of around $40.
Cyberpunk 2077 waited for the game to develop and paid out in the end
Dragon's Dogma 2 being $95 cad: I just stared at my wishlist and could buy all 20 games on it for less (everything was on sale but still).
Yea really makes no sense. Definetly if you already own and haven’t played Dragon’s dogma 1 or if it was on sale why even play the sequel?
@@gucciguy3408There's a whole comment section on the microtransaction videos that will fight you about that.
@@gucciguy3408 Yes. Single player games should not have microtransactions.
Know what I miss? Demos. Those need to be more of a thing, especially with high cost games. At least with Steam, then I can get a better idea of what the game will be like before I buy it outright, or just ignore it, and not be stuck playing two hours, just to find the game isn't for me, or is actually just a sack of shite.
I basically just watch gameplay of a game and can instantly tell a game isn’t for me. Only way to do it since well demos aren’t much of a thing nowadays. Though Steam seems to be having a resurgence as of late.
Demos died off be ause it was conclusively proven that releasing a demo actually hurt sales (can't be bothered to find the research right now but you're on the Net, you'll figure out how). YT vids and the Steam 2 hour refund window are the best we can do in the ever worsening modern day.
Agreed, the demo for anthem is what saved me from buying that piece of crap. It was clear the game es nowhere near ready and wouldn't be ready without a few years more of development.
It's actually kinda genius. You set the price at 70$ and then have the people who were willing to pay that, pay that, and then cut the price and get the rest of the bunch that didn't want to pay 70.
The problem (from their POV, not ours) is, they then set expectations for the future. The next time a game releases at $70, a lot of those people who _would_ have been happy paying full price are now going to be thinking... if I wait just a month or two, I might be able to get this almost half price. It's one thing having the patience to wait 6, 12, 18 months etc for a deep discount - many people won't do that because they want to be part of the event and talk about the game with friends etc, but such a deep discount so soon lets them have the best of both worlds.
More like good games are wining
I guess when the actual talent left Rocksteady they took the graphic designers with them.
Games used to be 60$ for the full game , Now they remove content and sell it back to you as DLC making the full game 127$ avg cad , This more than makes up the lie games are only 60$, But then you got endless fees making the avg game 153$ , Here it is 95$ base game plus no resale are trade to make up the cost on pc.
The CoD4MW remake that still charged 15 USD for the original game's multiplayer map pack was particularly egregious. Never paid for that and only played the remake because it was included in PS+ at some point.
Nah man games used to be $50 and complete.
I find that all the games I have been enjoying recently have been indie games. Hades, The Binding of Issac, Coffee Talk, Va-11 Hall-A, all of these and more have been fantastic games to play, and all of them have been indie titles.
I'm so glad I like to take my time with games. Sure, it keeps me a bit lagging behind the mainstream, but hey, I got to buy the Arkham trilogy for less than 15 bucks with all DLC included on Steam, which is a fantastic deal.
Same here. I hadn't played any of the Arkham games before, but all the mess with Suicide Squad got me curious (everyone said how good those games are compared to Suicide Squad). I finally bought and played all four Arkham games at a great price, had a fantastic time playing them all one after another 🙂. So... thanks, Rocksteady 😀
Arkham City is still better than most most games now
I bought it for 5 dollars on PSN last December.
I’ve never seen the reason for buying a 70.00 game on release when you can usually get a better experience and price if you wait for a few months before buying. I’ve learned a long time ago that these new games are never the finished product when they get released to the public but still ppl pay 70.00 for a broken game.
I saw FC 6 for 5 dollars the other day
I played Helldivers 1, and really liked it. When I saw that Helldivers 2 was going to be at a higher price point, my view was "Huh. Ambitious. You did well enough with part 1 that a $20 sequel would have been an auto-buy, but at this higher price? Now I'm interested, but I'm going to wait to see if it actually reviews well." Needless to say, I now own HD2, but I feel like it demonstrates the instinctual response to the different price points. Every increment increases how much I have to consider whether it's really worth buying.
The bad promo image isn't very difficult to explain when you recognize the game flopped hard and they're basically putting as minimal amounts of money invested in it as possible. I doubt they even hired an artist for it and just someone cropped it in with five seconds of work.
Patient gamers always win babyyyyyyyyyyy, I only bought cyberpunk shortly before Phantom Liberty launched, could've saved even more with that buy together discount but that's not common so no big deal.
Black ops 3 is still surprisingly active on steam, with a great mod community on the zombie side. I highly recommend picking it up if recent cod games haven't been up to snuff for you
The caveat is when it's on sale. At least when I was looking a few years ago, most COD titles refused to go on sale on Steam save the few site-wide sales they do, including the ones from well before BO3. IMO BO3 is pretty darned close to being worth it at full price anyways, but given how it's almost a decade old now you probably shouldn't buy it at full price. Save the extra cash from buying it at full price and get the DLC, they are all worth it. ESPECIALLY if you are a zombies guy, getting all of the DLC is a must. BO3 has one of if not the best lineup of zombie maps in the entire franchise, and on top of that has most of the classics ported into it in the final Zombie specific DLC.
Games are cheaper than ever to make with all the tools and tutorials online, but somehow big companies always find ways to waste a lot of money developing games so they try to justify higher prices for Quadruple A games.
There HAS to be some kind of accounting fraud going on at these big studios to explain the bloated budgets of today's "AAA" games.
@@HoboG0blin just look at skull and bones, only incompetence from higher ups leading from an "remake" of an existing game to an worthles AAAA game
Big AAAs keep shooting themselves in the pecker , by you know , firing or laying off the experienced devs and then next hiring round getting inexpensive but also inexperienced devs that need years to get to the level of the former employees. AAA studios also have weird ideas on what is "ready to ship"
@@HoboG0blin CEO's take millions to salary apparently but still manage to ship garbage, imagine if the actual devs had access to all the funds for the games instead
Start by removing the ethics and diversity departments. That's several college degree big monthly paychecks you no longer have to pay for, with ironically positive benefit to actual game development!
I just don’t feel like I like what has become of gaming. Might just have to come back in a few years, see where y’all at then
I don't know. I remember only being able to shop at the second hand game store. It was called "bits and bites". Amstrad cassette tapes for £3 each. Megadrive cartridges for £15 each. And this was 25-30 years ago. Even then, there was a lot of gripe at full priced console games for £25, or £35. And they were rarely great. I.e., Sonic happened once, but there were 20 games doing the exact same thing, and looked the same, and charged £20 in 1995, and payed like crap. I think paying a few hours of salary for a game you want to get 50-500 hours of rest is good enough. I just can't abide bad stories or bugged code.
They wanted to raise prices without raising expectations. You can do this in some industries, but video gamers have more options than most.
Very patient. Got Doom 2016 for $12 and Slay the spire for $8 (both used on console)
Meanwhile, Helldivers 2--- Actually i'm curious what they make in profits off that game
at least $2
According to KZheadr Paul Tassi, mostly modest due to both the low price point and cheap MTX.
@@lycanwarrior2137 well, here's hoping they don't piss off the audience with gun nerfs and ruin all this word of mouth success they have before they can run a long enough tail to make money off the project.
@@TsunamiWombat They just buffed a number of guns in today's patch.
I paid ~65 for it Paid 40 and played it for a few weeks. Enjoy it a lot and upgraded to super citizen. And later pay $5 for the second BP cause I'm too lazy to grind for super credits And it's worth every penny
It’s almost like when I’m a economic recession, selling for less can improve sales. Damn.
I'm not buying games at $60, let alone $70. My son and I game together, and every time we pick up a new game it's 2x the cost. $140 for what? No thanks. We're all over the less expensive indie games and LOVING IT!
my biggest win was getting all the arkham games for 5 $ on humble bundle lol
Epic gave them to me for free. About the only helpful thing they seem to do is bring me into games that I wouldn’t have even touched without being given.
WB: Please, for God's sake, _please_ buy our game! We made it 40% off! Please? Arrowhead: New weapon balancing, increased level cap, new bots to fight, THEY'RE TAKING THE CREEK, HHELLDIVERS, GET IN THERE!
anybody paying 70 or more for a game are part of the problem, the last time i pre-ordered and paid full price was 2015 fallout 4 ,, Never again 20 -25 at most full edition if I really can't wait otherwise I pay 10-15 for the same sh*t all the idiots pay 70 for, new tomb raider for a 5 note was a fantastic price for what its worth, shekiro 20, grounded 20, Prey 10 , i have an entire catalogue of games building up for 10 - 15 on average, so I on average buy 3-6 games for that ripoff 70 the functionally brain dead spend
70 is a completely reasonable price for a good game. Last one of the “big” games I played was BG3 and that’s easily worth it, the amount and quality of content you get out of it vs spending the same amount of money on a different hobby or media is insanely good. If you think games like that can be made and sold for $20 you’re just living in a fantasy world, it might be more money than you like spending but that doesn’t mean it’s bad or a problem
I paid full price on elden ring, but that was definitely the exception
I paid 70 for BG3 and don't regret it at all, because I had fun throughout all of the 500+ hours I've put into it, and wanted to show my support for Larian who totally deserve the success.
Yea most of my library on Steam has been bought through sales only. As games tend to put me off and start off so unoptimized I just can’t even care for games I even like.
I'll pay full price to support devs I care about, no problem. BG3 and Elden Ring can justify the higher price point because they're higher quality with no microtransactions and complete at-launch games. The argument that games should have been increasing in price the whole time to account for inflation certainly applies to the ones who make their money just on the sale of the product they make.
"Remember, no pre-orders." -- I wish games had a "parental" option to disable MTX ingame store spam and revert to default lore appropriate skins. No more "default skin" Fortnite schoolyard bullying when EVERYONE has default skins. On the other hand, it teaches kids who their real friends are/not. Until that is possible, piracy is the alternative. AAA fustercluck.
Even if suicide squad is free I would not waste my time
The only full priced game I've bought in the last 10 years went for £25. Other than that, none has been purchased over $20. A game with shitty reputation with a premise I'm not interested in whatsoever? I wouldn't play it for free.
Damn. You're about as ruthless a customer as I am. The last time I paid full AAA price was probably something for the PS3.
Morale of the story, stop buying bad games.
No man's sky is my patient gamer W....and their still releasing new free content for it! 👍
Factorio "We have Created Digital Cocaine, We don't need to go on sale, we priced our game perfectly and readjusted for what we think it was worth as we added content, You will pay it anyway because we are Digital cocaine" I have like a thousand hours in factorio, I got in early and bought it for like 20 or 30 canadian, I have never played a game that kept its worth/never got old like factorio.
To be honest it's more the product than the price. I'll happily pay seventy quid for a good game - in fact I'd have no problem paying more if it were good enough. The problem is when you look at AAA releases these days few of them seem to be worth it - most of the time it's the exact same game they sold you last year with a fresh lick of paint, which naturally means any of the microtransactions/premium content you were gullible enough to fork over for must be bought again. Is it any wonder they're failing? At this point the value proposition seems to be pretty much money for old rope, with the notable difference being you already own the rope.
"helldivers 2 doesn't have single player campaign" >Me who literally goes Solo on high difficulty mission: "bet"
the Campaign is the friends we made along the way lol
Whoever says that, has no effing clue what this game is. In the background is a tactical campaign, where all players help reaching the goal.
@@aahzmandiaz2767 “Single player” campaign. Its less about the gameplay and more about being able to play in offline mode when visiting family with dialup.
@@GnarledStaff Play an other game. This was not meant to be played that way. Not every game needs to be a single player game.
@@BloodyDIMISIS55 True!. I enjoy chaos with friends and even randoms.
Indie games are what happens when a gamers goes "F it, I'll do it myself" and works to make a passion project instead of a cash cow.
Just putting this out there: Chivalry 2 is a low price-point game that is essentially medieval battlefield. It is a freaking blast and casual fun. Please give it a try if you like the sound of it. This has been my favorite game for over a year now, and I love seeing influxes of new players join the fray and battlecry with me!
My favorite fps is Titanfall 2. Nothing beats the rush of dropping in a titan on another titan, except when you manage to drop on two titans at once 😂
all i know about pricing is, im alot more willing to buy a 30 dollar game without thinking too much about it than i am a 50/60/70 dollar game.
Im reminded of the principle the guy Russle Crowe played in A Beautiful Mind made where if everyone goes for the second best option, everyone wins instead of a bunch of failures all going for the best choice. Publishers want to have it all, charging $70 for a game plus MTX, but they need to set their sights lower to make more money.
Enshrouded @ $30 has been a very good game at a very good price , i definitely got my moneys worth , and that was before that last update in this EA title.
Well duh, we have been getting much more for $60 than what they are offering for $80-$100. And why would we pay that much when older titles are are around $20-$40 and indie cost half as much as a AAA(A) title which gives more for less. Don't tell me the market, they have been MANIPULATING the market and now it is so bent out of shape it is brittle and fracturing.
Why is this video disliked so much? Serious question, curious.
See the two videos before this one.
Probably because of the "elephant in the room" Video, wich was (best case) illinformed about the Sweet Baby Inc situation. Some important facts were sadly missing in that video, wich lead to a questionable take on the situation. Having a bad take is one thing, but presenting such an explosive topic without the necessary research (we are used to from this channel) left alot of viewrs angry and disappointed I guess.
@@Synister88 Thank you!
Best way not to get pulled into buying a game for full price at launch is to have no friends.
Around Christmas, I got Kingdom Hearts III for like $7. This was on Epic, and it was all discounts plus $4 I had accumulated from another purchase. I was happy.
40 bucks, you just want to play helldivers 2 and have few bucks for food.
I was wondering why so many dislikes, and just realized that I actually don't pay attention to your videos because are so long and flat, it's like background noise, so I didn't even knew what you said or not about Kotaku/SBI. It's surprising how little you add to the news while still making videos this long. Perhaps the exception was the Unity situation since you actually had some interest and knowledge about it.
Perhaps we should just let every new AAA(A) game crater until they reduce the price to more sensible levels in the future..
I paid £19 for Cyberpunk 2077 around patch 1.3 and got a couple of (heavily modded) years out of it. I also paid full price for Diablo 4, completed the campaign and haven't looked at it since. Swings and roundabouts.
Pre ordering or buying a game on day one before reviews have come in is pretty silly. You would think gamers would learn their lesson after being burned over and over.
Some games are worth it, but I think the mentality grew from when we had our games on physical disks. Pre-ordering gauranteed your copy, especially when you knew it was going to be super popular.
It never ceases to amaze me that people complain about buggy releases and then preorder the next buggy release. Its just a generally bad idea when the stats of games is what it is… at least, if you care about the experience or industry. I guess if you just care about being part of the industry crowd, getting good before others do, or the rewards offered there is incentive to preorder, but thats mot really my style.
I’ll say it over and over til I’m heard. I’ll buy 100 $5 packs but I’ll never buy 1 $100 pack.
I only buy games at launch if I know with 100% certainty that the game will be finished, polished, good, and the kind of game I like. Usually I wait for a few weeks to double-check reviews. If I see a game advertised as "triple A" I only touch it with a ten-meters pole, if at all.
I was not familiar with the term "patient gamer" but this is how I have been consuming media for years. Games, but also other software and movies. Price goes down, bugs get fixed, movies show up in my local library or sites like Netflix for free and so on. And once you are in that slot - it is easy to stay there because there are so many games and movies being cranked out you always have stuff that is new to you. I'm not a die hard. There have been exceptions from time to time for something I was really enticed by or because I wanted to play it with someone else. But I have enjoyed thousands of hours of entertainment for pennies on the dollar. No disrespect to the folks making the media who want to earn money. That's fine. But I don't have a lot of money so I wouldn't spend more overall if I bought things on release, I would just get less.
People are talking about getting screwed over by game companies but yet no one talks about literal hundreds of dollars worth of content deleted by Bungie
Factorio actually has gone on sales before. I don't think I've ever seen it discounted higher than 10-15%, but it absolutely has happened on Steam and GOG.
Factorio has never been on "sale" in the traditional sense. It was cheaper when it first launched because it was an unfinished product in early access. They then upped the price when it became more feature complete and upped the price again when it launched 1.0. I believe they technically put it on sale just before the 1.0 launch because the base price went up but the launch was delayed so it had a small discount to keep it at the pre 1.0 price.
I think you might be confusing Factorio with Rimworld.
I made a decision last year. I'll not be purchasing any more $90 (CAD) AAA games, as much as I may want a title. Especially when they're full of microtransactions, unfinished or pretty much need you to buy DLC right away. Finish your games devs. Honestly, I've been having fun supporting smaller dev teams coming out with great titles at a $30-$40 (CAD) price point. ...Enshrouded & Grounded. Excellent survival titles.
Imagine being paid 6 figures to have the realization that lowering the price would sell more games.
Suicide squad had a sweet baby of a time
When you shovel shit you end up stinking...
I see what you did there, slipping Helldiver discussion into this video because the algorithm will pick it up. Clever. And the clip fit the conversation decently well so you’re not even sabotaging content. Well played.
If major AAA companies decides to not go with full 70$ price tag anymore I consider that as a win for consumers honestly.
Wow, imagine that. You make a shit game and list it at or above aaa, and nobody buys it? Such a shock.
Games like Suicide Squad get what they deserve.. They expect people to throw 80 usd.... In some cases 90 usd on a video game. That is basicly made to leech money from you... Not just by the game itself.. the purchase. But once you start the game. All because they think that gamers are THAT stupid.. To not understand why the prices are that big. Its because fo the fact that these game companies. studios.. Are so up their own asshole. They have overblown budgets. Making you wonder WHAT they are even spending the money on. BEcause it sure isnt on making a great game that is worth the price they expect people to pay. Way to many people working on the game, so salaries. That are for people working on a game for YEARS.. a bit to COZY JOB.. considering they dont really do much most of the time. Just get a fat paycheck. Just think about it.. If you were able to work a job. Where you hardly did anything.. For almost 10 years.. And then still end up complaining about crunch and other issues. When you literally work a job you dont even do. LIke you would expect with the budgets being so massive for these games.. That the games would be high quality. So much gameplay. A game you CAN play for 100 hours or more.. And still have stuff to do. But nooo. They try to make as short games as possible. But full price. And also Live Service. Meaning.. The game is dead when they are done with it... No more people playing it since you will still need an online connection to even play it. What has happened to the gaming industry. When its so full of people that hate gamers. Hate their job. And behave like they are entitled to EVERYONE throwing money at their games. And then also throwing praise and fawn over them as if they made a game that will be remembered for GENERATIONS..When none of them have ever made games like that. Always games that are remembered for the failures that t hey were.. The 10 years of making it took them and the millions they wasted.. Scaming of people. Investors. All to make a game that nobody wants. Gaming industry is heading for a massive crash. When they keep producing games that are this shit quality. Its becoming more like back when Atari was making shit games nobody wanted.. And crashed a wholle industry. Landfills full of games. Today they probably wont need to do that. Since many of these games would rather have it all be online only and digital sales. No physical anything.
Yo, its not necessarily the developers that do what you describe above. crunch time sucks, and that alone means its not a “cozy” job. The cozy jobs are the executives overwriting the developers decisions and deciding to remove functionality to lock it behind a paywall. Working for a corporation that big, none of those employees usually get a chance to influence the direction of the game. Thats why you see the best games put out by smaller companies. The people get to actually affect the game more. A clueless corporate overlord can make a lot of work for people without much of that work ending up being used just due to inefficiencies, micromanaging and changing of directions. These can affect smaller companies too. Its really easy to realize you made a level that sucks or wont be ready on time and need to scrap a bunch of assets people worked hard on.
@@GnarledStaff That doesnt work anymore. The game devs arent somehow not able to influence anything when it comes to the games that they are making. Its all bullshit. I dont buy it anymore. They do what they do. They dont get to blame the companies for the games. The companies may tell them some things they should do. But in the end. its ALL the game studios doing. Not the companies. And game studios are known for working on games for years.. Doing who knows what the wholle time. Crunch is not a problem. But they love to complain about it. When Crunch isnt anyone elses fault. But the game devs. Because they fucked around for years. When they should have been working on the game. To fix bugs. To make things work. Instead they panick the last 1 years of the game making, before it comes out. And make it seem like they are treated as slaves. When they have been lazy asses the wholle 90% of the development time. 8 years to make a game. Should not be acceptable. It should take them 4 years to make a game. Not 8 years. They arent building a house. They are making a game. All they seem to be doing. Is being parasites in a cozy job. ANd yes. Its a cozy job. If you want a stressfull job. They can go work in the fast food place. And see how "Crunch" will seem like NOTHING. When you have to rush to make orders for deliveries and people that are there to eat. All whille there are many orders to be made. AND SOMEONE IS ALSO SICK, So you have extra work to do.
I'm 33 and have a decent amount of disposable income and even I have stopped buying every game and starting going hmm... which do I want on launch and which do I wait for a sale. For reference I'm in Australia so $70USD is around $105-$110AUD. Makes me wonder if the industry will spread out releases instead of clumping them together if customers can't afford to buy multiple anymore.
Good to see offer and demand it's taking priority instead of CEOs pushing a static 70 dollar price
suicide squad 40% off? *checks steam* yep still over 100 AUD still lying ey Bellular?
It was on sale for about $40 till March 21st. I don’t know if you know this, but sales end at some point
Did he ever get to address the elephant in the room? 🤔
No
Charles Benjamin Rutheford IV, known as Pink Elephant, asked for his privacy to be respected, and his request was honored.
I got Resident Evil 7 & Resident Evil Village, both wiht all the DLC, as a pack for $12 on Steam. I also got the Arkham Trilogy for like $10 as well. (This is to say nothing of all the FREE games I've gotten from EPIC, Amazon, and GOG over the last few years. Games like Deathloop, Dishonored 1&2, and The Outer Worlds "complete edition" which is free next week on EPIC as well, to name just a few.)
I still remember buying The Division 2 for 2 bucks a long time ago (they had a sale because of the expansion), and to this day has been my most valuable buy in the gaming landscape. The game is on sale very often (like for 5 bucks), and is freaking awesome! It had a rough past some years ago with constant crashes and bugs, but they have a second wind, and Ubisoft is investing in the game again. Crashes are a thing from the past, and the bugs.... Well, the bugs are being patched, slowly, lol. If you are looking for a great looter shooter to invest hundreds of hours, which also goes on sale very often, that would be my recommendation.
"Today is gonna be great" Oh boy
Dragon's Dogma 2 is the worst offender for this, but the whole AAA side of the industry hasn't been giving value for money. DD2 is $95 CAD before taxes. That's insane. It doesn't really matter how good the game is to me with that price point.
Some game companies have gotten the idea that gamers are simply looking for excuses to give them more money. Unfortunately too many gamers are proving them right.
I love Warner Bros. They had a massive win with Hogwarts Legacy, then shot themselves in the foot with Suicide Squad, and currently they are reloading and taking aim at the other foot.
belluar sold out to baby inc
They are cheaper than games from 80's and 90's, unadjusted for inflation.
Back then they were cutting edge tech with huge physical hardware costs. In a world of digital only releases across *free distribution platforms on all platforms, the price is inexcusable. * by free i mean steam/xbox/playstation allow creating a game store page and selling a game through it for less than a few hundred quid, which to anything larger than a 1 man development is quite literally nothing
In a total vacuum maybe...
Glad to see most people could move past the last topic. Atleast you didn't collab with SBI but transparency sooner would have been appreciated. Also a nuetral stance probably shot you guys in the foot sadly.
A measured response of a contentious subject drawing ire from some people? Eh, what else is new? Just what the internet is these days....
Most of the peopole subscribed to this channel dont like drama. Unlike the other trash channels out there.
Amazon sent me a $10 off coupon for Fallout 76, then offered me a promotional $15 store credit if you buy the physical edition, THEN discounted the game to $20. Effectively got paid $5 to take the game out of their warehouse. Best part: still havent played it 😂