Are the Tories to blame for the decline in NHS patient satisfaction? | LBC
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Public satisfaction with the NHS has hit a record 40-year low, due to poor access to GPs and long waits for hospital treatment.
Fewer than one in four (24%) people were satisfied with the health service last year - the lowest level since records began in 1983, according to the British Social Attitudes poll.
It is five percentage points down on the year before and a major drop from the 2010 peak of 70% satisfaction.
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100% the Tories are to blame, not only for the dissatisfaction in the NHS but the catastrophic state of the country. Fourteen years is fourteen years too long, get them out and keep them out indefinitely.
All started with Cameron austerity
don't let the tories in the UK do to your healthcare system what republicans in the US have been doing to our healthcare system here for decades.
Labour are promising more NHS privatisation to come, if they win.
Really?? I am thinking 🤔 you might of made that up
@@David_BowerThey Arnt....They are planning to Get That MASSIVE Waiting list down with help of Private Sector....It HAS to be tackled 1st...for any future progress....LOOK at the Graph published in the Times showing DRAMATIC drop under Last Labour government......They used same method. £Millions going on Agency Staff at the moment, Staff are leaving under the pressures.....
@@Motownisyourtown He spoke about using private healthcare in the short term. To drive down waiting lists.
@@tracyotoole6639 So he is planning on using private healthcare then. If you think it's just going to be the 'short term', well I've got these magic beans to sell you. Streeting is a red Tory and is in the pockets of private healthcare. This isn't 'made up' but well documented. You think he's gonna go against his own interests? Don't be naive.
Deliberately underfunding it,to make it look like it's failing, then claim that everything would be so much better if it was privatised....and guess who owns the companies that are waiting for those contracts? The tories and their rich mates...
I started working in the NHS in 1978 and suddenly in 1979 things started getting worse (who was elected that year). First they came for the domestic staff, cleaners and cooking staff. Bringing in private companies and making the staff apply for their own jobs at lower rates of pay and longer hours. I left the NHS in 1987 and have had my life saved by it 3 times in that time. Thankfully when I was diagnosed with the big C, it was 2011 and this current lot hadn’t managed to decimate it to much by then and the service was great. But in the ensuing years, if a cancer specialist left, they wouldn’t be replaced. Can not get a doctors appointment for weeks. The Tories keep telling us how they are putting more than ever into it, but fail to tell us that the money is being used to subsidise private companies working within the NHS. We get stories about how in debt certain hospitals are and how only the private sector can help. The sooner we are rid of this bunch the better for all. And I mean all, because that top 1% will still be getting absurdly richer.
It's all about privatization and making the rich, richer. It's sick. No pun intended.
Only one rule in life never ever ever vote tory.
Nor sadiq khan
Ever
A better rule is to wake up to the pantomime of left/right politics, and stop voting for the same coin.
They have a plant in the opposite either ways their interests will be served
@@JB-el3monah, just don't vote tory
Everything the tories have touched has been in decline. Congratulations on trashing public services.
Absolutely the Tories are to blame. Mass privatisation of services, means we pay significantly more for less. Staffing crisis because the pay and working conditions are appalling. Therefore the NHS cannot retain or recruit enough staff. Failure to build the 40 new hospitals that were promised. Also, chronic underfunding. The list goes on!!
The Tories have poisoned society. End of. There is no depreciating aspect of UK life, from education to transport to business, to healthcare and much more which you can point at, that is not very easily and clearly linked to them.
Dissatisfaction is even higher in Wales and Scotland where healthcare is devolved and the Tories aren’t in power. What happened there?
@@chrisj9700 Don't be thick!!! Who allocates the budget for healthcare in the UK. That comes from Westminster. The Tories. In 2010 when Labour were in power. Satisfaction with the NHS, throughout the whole UK was at a record high. FOR THE WHOLE UK!! Yes we have devolution, but that does not give Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland absolute autonomy.
@@Gph0367 hahaha cue the insults, how lovely. You are also wrong. The Scottish and Welsh governments allocate the budgets for their healthcare systems and have full autonomy over the Scottish and Welsh NHS. Westminster has nothing to do with them. The satisfaction results you quoted were just for England. Focus on the present, Labour are in power in Wales where 52% of people are unsatisfied.
Dont forget the sneakier methods they put it under strain too. With strategic cuts to things like social care you end up with more people needing medical care that should have been diverted elsewhere. It has to be deliberate because otherwise it means they literally cannot read
As a three time Cancer survivor… my journey has taken me over the last 13 years… and I have seen the NHS crumble away to the very dangerous and neglectful service it has now become! 😞
Guess what? Those in the NHS get the blame for apparently being 'inefficient'. It's victim blaming the patients and the staff simultaneously.
“Are the Tories to blame for the decline of the NHS?”: YES. Undoubtedly, YES.
The Tories are to blame for the whole of the country's state of massive decline.
They're absolutely to blame, due to constant budget cuts, and refusal to raise pay rates.
Why increase pay and conditions or invest in training if you can fly in cheap labour?
@@evolassunglasses4673 Your proof that imported NHS staff are paid less than indigenous ones is?
@@evolassunglasses4673 We can't anymore.
@@evolassunglasses4673 I think it's more that some doctors that we've trained have become so disillusioned with the NHS that they are flying off to work elsewhere. And obviously a lack of investment.
@@evolassunglasses4673Key word - if. As James explains - the cheap labour either can't afford to or don't want to live in the UK anymore; and who can blame them?
MP's should have to us public services. As part of their job they should have to give up the right to use private schools, hospitals ect. Then everything would get dramatically better. Almost over night. Can you imagine one of the cabinet waiting in a A&E with the plebs with 8hrs....
I'll have to say my recent interactions with NHS have been fine, yes it is impossible to see a Doc at reasonable notice but I know that is budgetary and I know exactly where to point the finger. In my limited experience stressed staff doing as much as humanly possible within the constraints inflicted upon them.
The Tories have definitely put Britain in the mire 😢. In 14 years, we have absolutely plunged!
It's just saddening that we currrently have in charge people who h ate this country and the pople in it.
OF COURSE the TORIES ARE Responsible!! I qualified as a Nurse in 1975....Financial probs after Oil CRISIS's in 73, but NHS STILL functioning well....Pre-Thatcher Privatisation of Ancillary services....80's a bit rough, BUT once Labour got back in 1997, then the Investment began again....by 2010....it was going well....My Orthopaedic patients getting ops within a couple of months....THEN Tories back, Brakes slammed on within NO time, Some Community teams disbanded, small Community hospital that kept Elderly patients out of A&A sold off as Private Care home.....Waiting List went through the roof for Physio I was then working in. Left in 2014 As own health issues....But former colleagues REALLY Demoralised, NOT able to provide timely treatments and working like Dogs, but getting NOWHERE! Its Absolutely depressing and DESPICABLE!
Brexit has cost £140 Billion so far imagine if we'd spent that on the country instead.
"No magic money tree" for anything that might benefit ordinary people but one always appears to fund disastrous far-right policies or give handouts to rich grifters!
Don't forget to deduct the 3 £330 million a week we're saving by not being in the EU
@@captaininsulin2154😂
Why is this even a question?!? WHO ELSE IS TO BLAME????
According to the Tories it is Labour, Lefty Lawyers, Tofo eating Wokerati, Gary Linekar, Marcus Rashford, the EU, the wrong type of rain, HS2, Farmers, NHS staff, Paramedics, Teachers, Railway Workers, Sadiq Khan, to name but a few. And yet still some people will doggedly defend the Tories
I have recently received cancer treatment in an NHS hospital 40 minutes from where I live. The staff, surgeons, dental service, radiotherapists et al were simply magnificent. There were certain time delays but that simply wasn't their fault. However. I had to rely on hospital transport each day to and from hospital for 30 days of radiotherapy. The transport service has been sold off to a private company and it is absolutely terrible. The drivers were, on the whole, lovely, but they were fed up with the way it was run. I usually had to wait ages to be picked up to and from hospital and would see people who lived 2 minutes from my house getting into empty ambulances while I had to wait another hour for a taxi, which would cost a fortune to the NHS to get home. That seriously should be looked at.
I read a recent study published the LSE about taxing the wealthy more and that it is a total myth they would move (to a point of course) they actually pointed out if you want more rich people to stay in Britain, making Britain a nicer place to live is the best way to do that. Imagine that actually wanting to improve the country
Except empirical evidence proves the opposite. When the top rate of tax was 82%, the rich fled resulting in the top 1% paying a small percentage of the income taxes. When the top rate was cut, the top 1% paid a third of the income taxes. Since Norway introduced a wealth tax, the rich fled to Switzerland. The same happened in France, hence why Macron scrapped the wealth tax. The government also had to cut taxes on pension contributions because senior doctors and consultants were quitting because they didn’t want to pay 45% tax.
@@chrisj9700 except thats a lie told by the rich. As it turns out, they lie a lot about this sort of thing, in order not to pay taxes. Who'd have thought it hey? They all want to talk about the laffer curve, right up until they realise how high the X value is. Then they realise they're out of their depth.
@@chrisj9700 was this taxing their passive income and or asset wealth?
@@chrisj9700odd then that Norway has a far higher standard of living than we do! Empirical evidence confirms Norway did the right thing
@@sjd7810 Norway enjoys low energy prices and a generous welfare state from oil money. The rich are leaving which will leave a deficit in their finances.
Yes they are to blame! They’ve never liked us having the NHS because they want health care to make money for them.
They fought tooth and nail to stop Lab setting it up in the first place
Get the tories out
When 'getting back to work' has a higher priority than 'patient health' as preferred 'outcome' , you know something has gone EXTREMELY wrong.
“Yes but…. Covid Yes but….Ukraine Yes but……..”
Yes but hundreds of millions in contracts that went to people who gave 10 million to the conservative.
Yes but ... Baltimore bridge collapse
Yes but_______ corbyn 😂😂
Yes Minister?
Not Brexit, that's just coincidence.
Thankfully, Scotland has had no strikes in the NHS due to the (SNP) Scottish Government being willing to engage with the medical professions, unlike the UK Government & hence the junior doctors in England withdrawing their skills & nurses going elsewhere.
We still are limited to the budget set by Westminster.
Dissatisfaction is at 52% in Scotland, that’s worse than England’s
@@chrisj9700Really? Who told you that?
@@chrisj9700 I think you need some remedial education in arithmetic of you think 52% in Scotland is greater then the 80% in England.
😂 Sorry! My bad. 24% means only 76% are dissatisfied with the NHS in England.
I had pretty awful flu which knocked me off my feet for two weeks. I don’t get ill often and was lucky during covid. Got to the point where I needed to get an appointment with my GP - couldn’t. Tried several times but no joy. Resorted to 111 at one point. Very little help. My wife works in the NHS and I have the utmost admiration for the workforce. The logistics are awful though.
The problem is that Labour is currently courting the same donor money from those who wish to privatize the NHS.
Yes they are! Why would anyone stay in a job for minimum wage of £12 an hour where they have been physically, sexually and verbally abused by patients in an understaffed hospital on incredibly busy wards and get paid less and less each year in relation to cost of living and have to strike to try to not even get wages they deserve. I say this as a health care assistant who’s only done the job for 5 months having previously done a much easier admin job in nhs for the same pay and yes all those things have happen to me so far. I want to do the job to care, the pay doesn’t keep the staff, nor represent all the hard and complex work or work load we do and shame on anyone who thinks we should put up with wage slashes. I’m tired of people who wouldn’t know a hard days work in their life determining how much nhs workers should get, the conservatives are beyond a disgrace at this point. They say they can’t afford, it’s no wonder with the mess they’ve made the past 14 years especially the past 4 years!
I wonder what happened 14 years ago that caused such a drop in the service? Hmmmm, it's a mystery.
Labour to take on NHS and invest. Kick out all private companies. If they have contracts, let them founder. No Yanks in any position in NHS.
What about PFI contracts under Labour?
I think the problem is that this wasn't talked about enough many years ago. The Tories have won every election since 2010, and the trendline on NHS problems has been absolutely clear and consistent. Right now the problems are so bad that covering up the gaping holes is creating new inefficiencies. It is costing more because less was spent. And it is genuinely one stiff breeze away from falling apart, and it's not the only thing, the justice and prison systems for instance. It's remarkably broad. The Conservatives have caused this over a decade and a half, and they have kept winning elections. The problem is that people wait until the country has fallen into the abyss before they decide to lean back away from it.
It appears that satisfaction under this tory clownshow goes down twice as fast as nurses and trainee doctors pay falls relative to the cost of living.
A patient point of view the NHS was definitely functioning better when the last Labour government was running the country. Can it be fixed by a possible next Labour government? I hope so but not expecting miracles tbh.
'Back to Square One'... Right now please.
As no one else has been in power since 2010 who else could be blamed for it .
I’ve been proud to work for the NHS since 1986….and have felt the impact of austerity and back door privatisation on how we try to care for people. And then you have the right wing press who ALWAYS love the headlines ‘can’t see a GP’ …see my previous point around back door privatisation and the stranglehold right wing media has…. I completely despair…I still work in the NHS as I believe in what we are trying to do!
From supply teacher to Multi millionaire in five years.
Of course not! Its abdolutely the fault of the party who hasn't been in power for 14 years
Even if that’s your opinion- tell me in 14 years why are waiting times under the tories so ridiculous? Also why hasn’t satisfaction increased under Tory power?
It’s the people on the small boats
@@R-E1975 maybe you havent met my friend, he's called sarcasm. Of course its the tories fault
Satisfaction is worse in Wales and Scotland where the conservatives aren’t in power.
@chrisj9700 And who sets the budget for those governments..... Who has had their hands on the purse strings for the entire time?
I truly never thought I would be included in the "unsatisfied" cohort, I credit the NHS with both saving my life and making it worth living, but I don't think I can say I'm satisfied anymore. Last week, my grandfather fell, and despite pressing his emergency button for help, only received it after 3 hours. A friend came out as trans and was told she might have to wait years before she gets any care. If I want to book an appointment with my GP, I have to call the minute they open in the scant hope of arranging one in over a month. I will be grateful to the NHS forever, and the staff represent the best of us as far as I'm concerned, but I can't say I'm "satisfied" with it anymore. How anyone finds themselves able to forgive the Tories for what they've done to one of Britain's greatest achievements is a mystery to me.
Absolutely to blame they have worked systematically to run down the NHS in order to create this disatisfaction so that they can sell it to the Americans.. In what way shape or form will the privitisation of the NHS improve it for the people of this country. Where will all the doctors and nurse appear from to service the privatised health service. Oh of course all of a suddent they will make it possible for Nurses and doctors to migrate to britain from other countrys.
The question is, the Conservatives after the being in office for 14 years is who else can be held responsible for the decline of the NHS?
Mark my words 'No top down reorganization of the NHS'. Honest Dave, 2009.
All they'd take this to mean is that the public don't want and aren't benefiting from an NHS, so they should hurry up and dismantle it
Of course they are. They've been in power for 14 years.
I have experienced what a dredful state the NHS is in ....first hand this year My experience was awful...i would not wish on my worsed enemy.!
& some's are the complete opposite.
@@1inchPunchBowl and some are and some are and some are.... Your record appears to be stuck.....
If more of the Tories who say they're happy with the NHS ended up in A&E I suspect they'd be a lot less satisfied. Also less likely to still be a Tory afterwards.
You dont need to be a rocket scientist to work this one out
A coincidence that today I received a message asking me if I still want to be on the surgical waiting list I've been on for 13 months? If I were a cynic I might think they were trying to artificially reduce the waiting list numbers by asking people if they still want treatment and removing those who don't respond. 🤔 Perhaps a few diligent journalists might look into this practice?
15% of the tax we pay goes towards the NHS bet it won't come down if they privatise it
The Tory satisfaction possibly comes from them jumping the queue with an initial private consultation..
The pressures and risks are so bad that staff with high standards and expectations left some time ago.
1. The deliberate, politically motivated withdrawal of public funding for a health care system set up to provide medical aid free at the point of delivery and the transfer of that funding into private hands, with preference given to organisations which have supported one party with donations or in kind so that they may continue to benefit from it being in office.
It is a tory problem look at how high waiting list were under major and then how low they were unded labour. It is obvious yet we are told if you just vote for the tories again the NHS will be great again
You can't book an appointment with your GP in advance at my practice. Ring up at 8:30 in the morning to get an appointment on the day or don't ever see your GP. No other option available. Means no proactive health care to nip things in the bud before they become an emergency.
Money. Hatred from press and government. Quality of life. Weather.
The population has grown new GPs have gone to Australia or retired because the government refuse to pay them a decent wage. Others have just left. You want a story? I felt very ill at the end of 2013. I had jaundice twice ( I got better on my own the first time- so they left me) the second time I was really ill. Eventually in 2017 after working through their “algorithm” I had a liver biopsy which was absolute agony. I then got a diagnosis of Autoimmune Hepatitis which requires some pretty heavy medicine. I nearly died. I knew then that nurses were extremely poorly paid because I asked them ( this was before I got extremely ill). I was given a heavy prescription of steroids to keep me alive. This is probably why two other things happened to me. I got psychosis and was put in a mental health ward I then got sepsis twice so nearly died again twice. I’m now on immunosuppressants. It’s a daily battle with my health. I am extremely thankful to the NHS at the same time I believe they should’ve acted quicker because I have Cirrhosis when I’ve hardly ever had a drink. It’s not catching and I haven’t done anything wrong. I do blame this government for their cap on doctors and nurses training as well as the paucity of wages. We could have so much better. I’m treated now at the surgery as if I’m alright. I’ve got the pills so that’s alright. It isn’t because I’ve also got other things wrong with me and I’m now nearly 73.
Ive had quite alot of interaction with NHS over the last 24 months. The only issues I experienced was with individual employee's of the NHS who literally could not have cared less. The vast majority of staff were wonderful but some aren't fit to play nurses, let alone be employed as nurses.
it was the same in the maggie years
Staffing, Staffing and staffing.
and using non-NHS staff who cost far more.
The betters thought we are living too long, had to fix that, for an island country that imports more than it exports, and can't sustain itself without trade, you muck that up as much as possible and continue to rachet down "conveniences", which allowed people to thrive. Why? Power and Control. Over who lives and who dies
Everyone needs to know this
Keep in mind the population has gone up 7% in that time so anyone claiming it's due to population growth is incorrect.
The pensioner population is going up as the largest generation of workers ever, become the largest generation of pensioners ever. And pensioners consume most of the NHS budget. An issue known about for over 50 years has not been planned for,, Too much short termism..
The last 2 years of net migration equate to the entire population of Birmingham. All these people require access to medical care.
@@chrisj9700 , But before that it was deficit as EU workers left. For three years we had too few workers.
@@johnrussell3961 pensioner population has not gone up by a significant amount in 14 years let alone. That the pensioner population increased at a similar rate from 1997 to 2010 yet the NHS improved every year showing it can be done. While still spending slightly less than the average European nation does on Healthcare
@@johnrussell3961 We had no deficit, we had a huge surplus as net migration continues surging. Students and social care workers are driving the increase and unskilled workers. Employers are too addicted to cheap foreign labour. Even Labour has said employers need to rely on British workers. What do you think should be the maximum net migration figure?
WHO ELSE is there to blame? I yeah blame Labour they were in power 15 years ago, must be them. FFS.
I had my hip replaced within 6 months of an xray... Brilliant
Course they are.
After eight years working in the NHS, I can confidently say it's not a worthwhile endeavor. The system lacks everything: adequate funding, competent management, and sufficient staffing levels across various departments, including maternity and cancer units. If you believe patient satisfaction in the NHS is low, you should hear from the staff about the challenges they face daily.
I was in hospital 3 years ago with liver problem and it was wonderful and treatment was excellent))
set of grifters {Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss, Sunak}
I've been disabled and need NHS help over the last 30 years every member of NHS staff I have meet which is a lot have always been caring helpful especially ambulance staff the only people I could blame for the fall in care is the politics of health care NHS has been run down by government trying to make us take on US insurance based health care , we don't want it and the real people that work in NHS don't want it because it will be the people that are poor and really need our great NHS that will lose out
It's not a coincidence if you look at the graph of statistics when Cameron and Osborne's austerity plan rolled out. The uk and Europe followed in quite a upward like manner in funding and austerity thereafter only 1 nose dived and guess what...
I like the idea of setting the tax rate to 70% on all earnings over the national average and at 90 % for all earnings over double the average wage.
"14 years" can be overused. But this is tough to argue.
How can it be overused? It's just a statement of fact.
Are the Tories to blame for the decline in NHS patient satisfaction? YES!
Yess it the tories
Also Education,police,fire service and welfare etc.
13:04 Except the nurses aren’t going back where they came from. They’re (rather sensibly) mostly moving to higher paying jobs (up to double) in US, NZ, Canada and Australia.
Oh i thought we all loved the nhs. Not long ago we were all clapping for them like seels. Dont blame the staff, the giv is to blame for nhs failure
Yeah, the poll is satisfied with the NHS, not about the love we have for it, as in the poll itself agrees with your point :-)
From zenith to nadir. Most people are struggling in some way, only the rich can pass by barely noticing the problems afflicting everyone else.
And most Tories secretly think that's a success as it needs to be replaced with a private system
Come to Northern Ireland it is easily 10 times worse, 6 months wait in England for a hip op is. 6 years in NI unless you fork out £15k to go private.
Appointment durations have been cut in half to fit in more patients, which is understandable with the volume of patients on a waiting list however this can make it feel rushed. Experienced clinicians continue to leave their trust for better opportunities in private sector or completely leaves profession in healthcare New clinical roles introduced with inadequate training to make up numbers for actual established roles Just a few things that come to mind that’s affecting practice in nhs and carrying onto affect patient satisfaction
Thank you James
He does it all just for you
Super 🌟 James O"Brien.😊
The GP rating might be due to them providing an alternative service to someone who has a national broadcast every week day
Look at what they did to our water, and you will know what tories will do to the NHS.
Please please please vote Labour
They're going to carry on privatisation. It's gone I'm afraid.
They’re not doing so well in Wales. The people are more unsatisfied with the NHS there than in England.
Nah, I'm voting Green.
Have you heard Wes Streeting saying he will continue with Privatisation being part of the NHS. What knowledge of how the NHS works does Streeting have? Has Streeting previously had paid employment before entering parliament? Is he a career politician. He shows he lacks experience & knowledge regarding the NHS. He talks the talk with no substance.
Dull leaders.
Tories..........putting the N into cuts!
sunak & hunt have completly ransacked this country in there greed for money ( even the last budget was to help firms ) as they pay for every person employed a amount of NI which is now reduced. as well as the employee..who now will pay more tax as NI was taken out of the wages amount before taxing the rest of the income..which after less NI payed has slightyly raised the amount taxable..
14 years of tory cuts.
James: "can anyone call in to confirm what i'm saying? Alternatively, we'll let someone who isn't very articulate on, so i can bully them on live air and not allow them to even make their point"
The reason you forgot Major is because you only have so much room in the brain to store so many items in a list and the Tory MPs in just two years just shunted Major out one side. It happens to the best of us. And Rishi is likely to drop out soon and get replaced by the third unelected PM soon, I imagine. Maybe it's Truss' turn to get forgotten? Please?
Short answer to James question..obviously yes.
Incompetence..... in common
Yes yes yes yes yes yes everything that is wrong is down to Tories .
My first heart attack occurred in 2002. I have had four more since and have six stents fitted to keep the muscles fed with oxygen. In between I have had other issues bringing me under the umbrella of NHS patient care. I have seen much change in the NHS and personally it has been ok. The trouble is when I have on many many occasions gone for a walk, A & E was full of misery in 2002 and just got progressively worse. Its the dumbing down across staff levels which concerns me most. Oh, I saw a consultant an average of 1.4 times each time I was in hospital which is more frequently than my own GP over a decade.
Theyre all millionaires that dont need to use the NHS thats what theyve got in common
The Financial Times gathered information about NHS waiting lists and plotted a graph of waiting lists over the last few decades. Unsurprisingly NHS waiting lists increased during Tory governments and declined during Labour governments. Duhhh, Is the Pope a Catholic, etc So, yes the Tories are to blame for the decline in NHS patient satisfaction. When people see the actual graphs of the changes then those that understand graphs can easily see that the Tories are terrible for the NHS and the health of the people in this country.
Didnt dodgy Dave Cameron say the NHS was safe in his hands