Manchester City's 115 Charges EXPLAINED | Everything You Need to Know
In February 2023, Manchester City was charged with 115 counts of financial rule breaches of the Premier League. Since then, speculations have been rife about what this could mean for one of the most decorated clubs of the modern era. In this video, we take a deep dive into the charges, what they mean, and the possible consequences. We have tried to present facts and have tried to remain as neutral as possible.
00:00 Intro
1:59 What are the 115 Charges
7:05 A Deep Dive into the Charges
19:40 The general consensus
21:42 Possible consequences
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Outro: Sabarmati - Are you Happy
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If City didn’t provide adequate financial information in 2009, why are they only being charged 14 years later ?
PL wasn't bribed enough to look the other way.
Simple they manipulated the accounts
@@arthurmathebula5011 Evidence?
@@robertmclellan3658 it’s Everywhere
They're even trying to charge us from when ffp was introduced. I honestly think the prem have laurel and hardy as their legal team😂
People want the PL to quickly punish City but cant realise that the PL cant be 'wrong' here, they have to prove and verify every charge otherwise they will be embarrased as soon as they bring out their bogus results. They will be sued and asked to verify every charge. Even if they drop any charge from the 115, they have to explain why they brought the charge in the first place. These are serious charges. it means PL is saying Deloitte cheated at some point, the city board members etc
Come on we all know City and Chelsea have been breaking these financial rules for many, many years. City have been preventing the PL from seeing their books for f's sake.
And they are scared to do so because man city have money to get out of this mess and be proven innocent even if they have broken the rules
Typing that was pointless. Do you honestly think the PL fabricated the charges and have no lawyers working there? 😒
@@_king_3002_uefa had 6 emails out of 5.5m emails stolen which city proved to be edited and out of context. Uefa also had 0 witnesses to back up their claims. Rival fans getting excited over " time barring". But the truth is uefa couldn't prove any wrongdoing so city didn't have to defend anything that was longer than 6 years ago. This is gonna be embarrasing for the prem
Great post! Yes, the owners of the club have done nothing wrong and the PL have backed themselves into the corner here. FFP was designed to stop teams like MCFC disturbing the established clubs cartel. The owners bought at the right time, made hay and created an amazing global brand / club with sister clubs around the world, all in a decade! Not guilty as will be seen.
What is interesting about the PL charges for FFP is that, as shown in the video, they are retroactively charging City for breaches before the rules and FFP was even established (2011 FFP established), so I am not sure how that plays out. There is also the issue with time limitation. A lot of people, incorrectly, believe that the PL can go back for an indefinite amount of time. When you read the PL's Rules & Interpretation section, it states that anything not specifically referenced here (the Rules and Interpretation section) will be interpreted via the Doctrine of English Law, and in English Law, there is something called the Limitation Act which states that, in general, there is a 6 year threshold of limitation (unless involving land disputes, then its 12 years). The big question will be when the clock for limitations commence from - does it start from when the PL began its investigation (around 2020 so 2014 or is when the club was formally charged which was 2023 so back to 2017 or another time that is publicly not known?) As per the revenue generation from 2018 - 2022, couple of questions: Do PL teams get paid more in the PL than teams in other leagues? Yes. For example, PL revenue at end of season is about 3x what La Liga is so over time, would it not make sense, at least on that line item that with consistent winner of the PL would be making 3x more than the top spot in La Liga? As a team in the biggest and best league in the world continues to win multiple competitions, do you think they are more or less likely to bring in more and higher advertising deals than bigger clubs who have not won nearly as much over the past 10 years? A perfect example of this the Patriots in the NFL. In the early 2000s they were a small team with matching revenue etc relative to the larger ones but as soon as they starting winning Super Bowls, guess what happened? Their revenues climbed and climbed every year until they became one of the biggest and most valuable teams in the NFL. This is basic economics. Yes MU have a larger fanbase, 100% but they are not inking as many new growing deals as they once were bc of market saturation and they have not been winning much for over a decade. Couple the 3x winnings, massively growing advertising rev, growing fanbase and much bigger commercial TV deals, and it makes sense that City's value has been climbing. Also, no one seems to be talking about the academy players either. They have brought in over 300m academy player sales alone which is higher than any one else which also adds to their growing revenues as they have, arguably the best academy in the world currently (based on player sales relative to other clubs). Then you could also throw in the revenue they get for the players they have bought, then sold for a profit too. Does all the exonerate them from all the charges? I am not saying that at all,. But what I am saying is that there needs to be some logic and objectivity applied to this situation to have a fair and honest debate as too many fans live in this historical bubble about what the clubs 'deserve based on size' and are not thinking about basic economics. The CAS ruling should be read as it is very interesting, sheds a lot of light on the subject, disproves a lot of the nonsense that fans talk about but wont look at as it will weaken their narratives. Its 93 pages paragraphs 254-257 are quite interesting
So many of your arguments are flawed. I'll just address the commercial revenue for now as I've limited time: Firstly, the Premier League's revenue is around double of La Liga, not triple. Moreover, the problem with this rationale is that the Premier League and La Liga have different splits between the teams for the TV money. In England the revenue is far more evenly split, with West Ham for example only receiving around $10 million less than United. In La Liga on the other hand, Madrid, Barca and Athletico receive around a third of the entire leagues revenue between them, so get 'a far larger slice of the pie' than Premier League teams do. There is no metric (discounting dodgy inflated sponsorship deals) that suggests that City should have greater commercial revenue than Madrid or even be close to it. City are in no way a more attractive commercial proposition for sponsorship deals either given that City's supporter base is minuscule compared to that of Madrid, with Madrid for example selling literally millions more shirts than do City. Given that they've won The Champions League 5 times in the past ten years your 'City make more money because they're more successful' argument falls on it's face too. And yet somehow, despite all of this, City have a higher commercial revenue than Madrid. I'm sure that City's owner being on the board of the companies (or parent companies) that sponsor City is sheer coincidence though and has nothing to to with anything.
@@thanekrios3211 As per La Liga, when I looked it up and converted the approximate totals each team received 1-20 vs 1-20 in the PL, the PL is about a 3x. Could that be wrong? Possibly in which case it would be an honest error. As per what City generated in prize money revenue in 2022-23, it was about 300 pounds, now perhaps your math is not taking this part into consideration, but the money you make in prizes will exceed, by a good distance, those teams that did not win, let alone, didnt stay in the competition, like a MU for example with the CL so therefore it would naturally stand to reason that the revenue numbers from the CL would be substantially higher for City relative to MU since they were in the group stage and then crashed out of the Europa. As for the TV rights, you are correct, but again what youre missing is that PL is about 60% larger, annualized under their current contract relative to La Liga. Where do you think that extra 600m pounds goes year in and year out relative to the LL? Where is your math in regards to City winning more consistently than any team in LL for the respective titles in the past 7 years. Where do you think those difference end up going? Right to their top line. Not sure why you are not incorporating any of this in your calculus. As for the accounting of sponsorship deals. You do realize how commercial deals work right? They are not signed annually. Why? Bc if a team is doing well, locking in a 5 or 10yr contract is more advantageous to the buying party. Look at MU for example, they just signed the largest 10yr deal in history for jerseys with Adidas. Now, if you compare the revenue they were receiving for the previous 10 year deal, do you think their annualized rev was higher or lower than the new deal they just inked? Logic would dictate higher. When City signed with Puma, it was the highest jersey deal up to that point in time, which means, that the annualized rev for City was higher than for MU in the years where the 2 overlapped. That is not the case anymore, as MU will be higher. Again, use that paradigm with numerous sponsors and a pattern begins to emerge, unless of course you disagree with the notion that the more a team wins, regardless of where it started, it will continue to increase in value as more advertising dollars want to be associated with that team? I think you may be overlooking the overseas tv broadcasting deals too here and again, you have not disproven or even attempted to do so with my example of the Patriots in the NFL over a 10-15yr period. Look at any graphics that shows their historical revs, attendance numbers, sponsorships deals both in number and magnitude and of course the value of the team itself: they all went up. This paradigmatic for all pro teams regardless of where they start, of course it is all relative. Look at Wrexham today vs where they were 5 years ago which is a smaller scale yes, but increases in club value, number of sponsors and size of contracts etc, all going up substantially relative to their non-league counterparts. And yet I don't see any of those counterparts in non-league or even other L2 teams bc they all understand the basic fundamentals of commercialism, capitalism and economics, which I am not sure you do. My points are simply for the years covered in 2018 to present but I would assume that if you were to look back at previous financial statements, City's revenue grew and grew commensurate with their winning, BUT not to the degree it has under Pep, which you have to admit, has been unparalleled since coming to City. Its almost like you want to dismiss all of that bc you just can't take the fact that City have been growing so much. You also did address anything I said about market saturation with the bigger clubs either. The pace of growth will be much slower than up and coming clubs who are winning tremendous amounts. Just look at MU in the 1990s. Ever wonder why they kept growing their revs rapidly relative to LFC? Could it be that it was bc they were winning tremendously, gaining more fans from winning so consistently (globally and hence their many global tours they did) and of course, inking massive deals with more and more sponsors until they were the biggest club commercially in the world. So you have no problem with that, but City are incapable of doing the same? Even more so in the high speed digital age we live in? Looking forward to your counterpoints on what I have said
@@thanekrios3211 so many of the arguments were not that flawed and you kinda just talked around the point, OP had plenty of interesting points and your response was not much of a breakdown or rebuttal to it
@@MCFCTheMadHatter at the end of the day FFP was created to keep clubs down and not close enough to the "big clubs" because said clubs are afraid of real competition, if ffp was really there to protect clubs then why would they allow man united to accumulate so much debt? Is that actually sustainable? Why is barcelona allowed to toe the line of being broke and a world powerhouse? How is ffp helping there?? All teams should put up the money in a separate account to account for the years spending to make sure clubs are sustainable that would be a legitimate solution, but instead the solution for these other clubs is to produce a witch hunt and a media circus so the fans can eat it up and avoid the real issue,which is the "elite" clubs afraid of competition
Simple points, does City have a bigger fan base than Madrid , Barcelona, Man U and Liverpool ? And here are no time bars in the EPL. Time bar in UEFA let them off the hook.
You made more money than you said you did. We're taking your titles. Makes perfect sense.
FFP was created to keep the big teams big and keep the small teams small
Which is how things should be in life, no cheating to get to the top, do it organically.
no its created to keep ALL teams self suffiecnt and to make sure all success is earned
Putting aside the Guilty/Not Guilty argument, this is a pretty useful overview if you take the time to watch through it. (Mind you, Harlaand appears so often in the visuals that it could be interpreted as a subliminal message that he is to blame for most of it!!)
It was HAALAND all along! And thank you.
Sheikh Mansour (his ADUG Group) paid the Etisalat sponsorship in 2012 but it was recorded in their audited accounts as a debt and Etisalat repaid it in 2015. The fact that it was repaid in 2015 meant the 2012 payment wasn't time barred in the CAS ruling! City were warned about the Premier League's doubts concerning the management of 3rd party image rights, so they fixed that promptly. The Etihad sponsorship was ruled to be fair and funded correctly by CAS. This is a purely political fight, with the PL pretending to the government that they can independently regulate themselves, although they are regularly egged on by City's rivals. If this is all about sustainability, start looking at clubs massively in debt, like Barca, Real Madrid and Man United.
Why did adug pay Etisalat sponsorship money if they are an independent company ? Why did adug pay the bulk of the etiihad sponsorship money ? Leaked emails and invoices prove that you were sponsoring yourself 😂😂😂, if you're innocent why didn't you sue der spiegal for libel and slander ? Why won't you hand your accounts over to premier league panal if you are innocent ? Why are you trying to drag the whole process for as long as you can if you are innocent , Why were you backdating invoices for more sponsorship money to cover manchinis contract being paid out when you sacked him ? Why were you paying mancini 2 different wages ?, do yourself a favour read the der spiegal article then get back to me and tell me you're innocent , Why are you making a big deal about 1 of the panal judges being an arsenal season ticket holder when your lord pannick is an arsenal season ticket holder !!!! Why are 2 supposedly independent companies Etisalat and etihad doing sponsorship deals with you that are 10x market value and then 90% of that money being paid by adug basically your owner cos I would love to know 😂😂😂😂as for CAS a panal of 3 CAS judges 2 picked by citeh and 1 picked by uefa found in your favour 2-1 , not surprising really, why would you sign a sponsorship deal with Etisalat, find out they don't have the money then lend it to them to sponsor you 😂😂😂😂😂
@RuiPinto41 Have you got Internet access in prison Rui? Seems like extortion doesn't quite work out the way you planned it to eh? Are you basing all your arguments on a handful of hacked emails? Of course City tried to sponsor themselves using inflated deals but Juventus did the same with Jeep and Fiat. CAS deemed that the deals represented fair value, they weren't that extortionate. City will win the legal case because they know that the onus is on the PL to prove guilt and they don't have enough evidence. City would be foolish to give the PL ammo before the courtroom. City were declaring losses of over 100 million at the time so why would they risk relegation for 1.75 million to Mancini? It was an admin decision that is justifiable, but accounting practices are open to debate. City subsequently cut 30 million from their costs by moving staff to the City Football Group because they could, so they did. 3rd party image rights were controversial but City brought that in line. This has become political, and very tribal. The owners have spent over 200 million on the City Academy and are now the best run club in the land. They had to be creative to beat the restrictive cartel rules imposed by David Gill and his scared friends. Did they commit FRAUD? I guess we'll find out eventually, in a couple of years.
Nonsense how is city making more revenue than Real Madrid
@arthurmathebula5011 City's revenue only beat Real Madrid by 17 million but City won a treble including 2 very prestigious and lucrative titles. Real won the Copa del Rey (1 million) and UEFA Super Cup (5 million) which City almost matched with their least lucrative title, the FA Cup (5 million). If you consider City got 120 to 140 million for winning the Champions League and maybe even more for the Premier League then that's at least 200 million more than Madrid got for finishing second in their farmers league. Last week, City's feeder club were top of La Liga. Maybe you should be working out how not to concede so many goals at the Etihad.
United are only in debt because of the Glazers. They generate more in match ticket and merchandise sales than any other club on earth. Mansour City can't even fill their own ground.
FFP is there only to keep the big clubs ahead of the game. If season after season my club earns more and can spend more(through being successful on the field), how can anyone ever catch up? For example if Liverpool generates way more money than Burnley, according to FFP, they can spend way more. This means Liverpool will be able to afford far better players can Burnley. This means since Liverpool has way better players than Burnley, Burnley won't be able to compete with Liverpool on the field. This means since Liverpool still succeeded than Burnley on the field, they will make more money that season. This means since they make more money, they will be able to buy far better players than what Burnley can buy in the next season (according to FFP). So you see, the cycle continues year after year forever. The big teams remains big and the small teams remains small. FFP was created just to keep the big teams big and keep the small teams small.
They should make a maximum spending budget per season of 150m so its more fair
Does any one realise man utd have been fined for cheating double the the money eveton lost 😂😂😂
Which United admitted to, in fact they were the ones that provided the financial records off their own backs. Same as Everton did oh and guess what happened they got done. Unlike those cheating cunts City refusing to provide their cooked books. Where are they getting all that revenue from? Because they certainly haven't got the support they make out and definitely not getting it all from sponsorship. So where is it all coming from? From the pockets of the owners disguised as sponsorship money. You couldn't make it up if you tried. They'll be getting those little brown envelopes ready as usual.
Fined for cheating?? Talk me through that one again....I cant wait to hear this completely made up story
Will explained, most of the items are mainly on cooperation
Pep to the city locker room as the City ship sinks; "Gentlemen, it's been an honour playing with you all".
He says that during every game.
Brown envelopes will make City innocent. 115 charges surely the have to be guilty.
Read the 93 page CAS document. We don't need to pay anyone off as there's such a lack of evidence. Uefa had 6 emails that city proved to be edited and out of context. No witnesses, nothing.
Says the bitter rival when the epl cant prive their case. If they are relying on just emails they are in bad shape
@@dalmarcampbell1148 I'm not a rival at all. But personally I think Man City will pay a heavy penalty.
All these charges were cleared in 1 Court already thats why they said "we don't need to give you anymore financial info than you already have" they didn't refuse 😂
Other clubs : Break one or two financial fair play get punished right away City's ,Thug life: Break so many rules,that they don't know which way or how to punish them
latest figures show city earned 70 million more than man united. taking into account the extra city got for winning the treble they are basically saying that city with their empty stadium and no fanbase have the same income as man utd. they have so overcooked the books that the books are on fire.
If theres no fan support why do we bother you so much. Btw we are 6th in average home attendance nonce
I go to every City home PL game as I'm a season ticket holder, the stadium is nearly always full = 530000 seats so I've no idea where you get that the stadium is empty. Unless you're just a wumming sour United/Liverpool fan of course.
@@Dronefromsector7-fz3ek dude, their main sponsor is a bankrupt airline.
Man City revenue has increased every year since 2008/09. Wonder what happened on the pitch since then? 🫣🤣🤣🤣
Ffp started in 2012 idk how we questioning 2008/09 season 😂😂 2011 city already in the way to bcome bigger club and won prem on agueroooo goal surely some football fans love comeback we do to snatch prem trophy on united
@@twotwolow2343 Fr
simple fix. no club can be ponsored in any way by a company with ANY kinks to their owners
For football to be genuine. Owners cannot have their own minorit or majority share owned companies sponsor their teams. There can be no loans or player sales between clubs owned by the same entity. There needs to be a salary cap. Until then its a criminal organization pretending to be sport.
Man city is the lance Armstrong of England football 😂
The best thing about this is FFP was first introduced in 2012 but hey City broke them from 2009, which is glorious mate imagine breaking rules that dont even exist your dusty club could never. This just tells you how credible the charges are I mean i read them and half of those are absolute nonsense, i feel there will be stuffs we might be guilty of but I know that there will be stuffs for which FA would be clowned upon, and i am all in for that lads.
Guilty as hell...financial doping is the same as athletes doping, remember Ben Johnson?
only if they broke the limit set by premier league otherwise every big club is doping financially.
A stupid comment. These are huge business operations. Imagine Apple not spending cash to increase and improve its business because of a rule brought in by its rivals 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I’m new to this whole soccer scene but it isn’t out of the realm of possibility & I would say it’s highly likely that the more they win & dominate , the more revenue they produce & continue to produce. It’s like that in every sport … idk about the other stuff tho
Whatever happens they will never have respect for their ill-gotten gains.
Stupid comment.
And every other club that spent more than everyone else to win will never be respected , oh that's all of you, sorry to break that to you
Kick them out of the Premier League.
I dont understand why if they been charged with all these charges they havent been punished, Surely you can't charge them without proof and if there is proof why is it taking so long? So City deny the charges why should this stop them being charged? If I got into trouble and said it wasnt me it doesnt stop me being punished they go with the evidence and thats it. I'm not saying they are or are not guilty by the way.
Clearly the hapless Premier league are struggling to find evidence.
One of the charges is City's lack of cooperation. They have very good lawyers who are paid stupid amounts to drag this out until the PL give up or the charges are reduced. City are not a normal club, there is a lot of politics involved with a country that invests heavily in the UK.
@@RankinMsP Clearly you haven’t a clue what you are talking about, it’s for the accusers to prove guilt and not for the accused to prove their innocence and everything the Champions do is on legal advice. Plus the European Kings could have everything prior to 2017 dismissed as time barred but want the commission to establish their total innocence just like CAS did. It’s very clear the hapless Premier league has no credible evidence otherwise they would have hit the best club in the world with two or three charges with damming evidence but it’s clear they have no evidence and that’s why they have gone for a scattergun approach despite all those malicious allegations being thrown out previously by a proper court of law. The Premier league are going to be made to look pretty stupid at the conclusion of this.
@@robertmclellan3658 they wanna establish their innocence which is why even CAS whom they paid off found them guilty of delaying, obfuscating and prevaricating. Champions by cheating on blood money but then you don't care.
@@RankinMsP I dont care because. obviously you are a low intelligence dimwit consumed with bitterness and jealousy who hasn't got a clue what you are talking about.
They will get away with it purely because the prem league don’t want to essentially shame themselves In front of the rest of the footballing world.
GUILTY AS FOOK
PL charging Man City with these 115 charges and going public with it is just muscle flexing with no satisfactory outcome, meaning City will get away with it again. The fact that 2 of the 3 members of CAS on the board were both suggested by Man City to be 2 3rds of the regulatory chairs which again goes against the rules says it all 2 to 1 votes both coming from Man City suggested bought and paid for CAS panel, in Man City's eyes job done. This could go on for years and yet you have Everton with a charge of which they owned up to dropped 10 points im not an Everton supporter by the way. If the club is refusing to show any data that is needed to prove their innocence then they should be suspended from the league until they provide evidence to suggest otherwise in my opinion not presenting the evidence needed makes them look as guilty as sin and suspension will be the only way to get them motivated. Its totally unfair to the other clubs in the PL who are abiding by the rules. I make no apologies for the rant as i hate cheaters in any sport.
Just a bitter self righteous pig. When has there been an even playing field lol keep lying to yourself.
theres no denying City has actually run the club well. You can't blame their success on 115 charges but in football, it's about fine margins and you have to operate within the rules and city have quite clearly breached them. It may not be 115 times but there are certainly breaches which completely undermine their success. Everything they have done is a complete manipulation of the rules. You can't make off-the-books payments, it's against the rules! simple as that! They either need to be relegated or points deductions need to be spread across each season and compensation to each club needs to be made. if city won that year they would have been given a higher premier league bonus and that money needs to be reallocated to whoever was runner up that year
it is clear they have done some financial wizardry, to suddenly go from being a mid-table team to a team earning more than the top teams. IF they have done this then it is cheating, and they should be punished for it as it has given them a clear advantage over everyone else, you are basically buying the league and trophies. It is essentially doping to give you an advantage to beat your opponent. FFP was not introduced to prevent teams from competing it was to prevent teams from going under due to excessive spending, a club still has the ability to raise itself by following the rules it is just a lot harder and probably would take longer. Now If Pep is as good as everyone says he is then he would have no trouble, turning a mid-table team into champions without breaking FFP rules and he would still raise the club financially by winning but he would not be able to buy anyone he wants.
How come then mid table manu are a billion in debt?
@@robertmclellan3658 Causes they have Owners who can't funnel money into the club like City owners can, and they just buy players to make profit off not players who will win them the game.
@@Bee_Bill287 Complete and utter nonsense, why didn’t we need FFP when debt ridden mid table Manu were profiting from selling rotten meat to Manchester schools and Liverpool were raking money in from working class people’s gambling addiction? Why was it only needed when a cartel of corrupt clubs demanded its introduction to stifle competition and investment and to protect their position at the top? The Champions proved at CAS that these malicious allegations were complete nonsense and that was dealing with the finest European lawyers EUFA could come up with so just imagine what City will do to the para legals and book keepers of the Premier League. City have the most scrutinised accounts in the world and NOBODY has ever discovered any discrepancies.
@@Bee_Bill287 And “ Owners who won’t funnel money into the club “ you mean the greedy American owners of United, Arsenal and Liverpool who just use those clubs as a cash cow to profit from football fans as opposed to His Majesty Sheikh Mansour ( Your Majesty football and Manchester salutes you ) who invests in the area building social housing, schools and providing employment for many many Mancunian people. It’s no surprise City has been voted the best club in the world two years running.
@@robertmclellan3658Dude don't get carried away they don't give a shit about City; City was just the cheapest club at the time to buy, plus they probably have some deal with the UK government to provide social housing & schools which makes them money or gives them land rights, or political power or some shit like that. They are basically using City and when they are done, they will sell, make a profit and city will collapse due to the corrupted finances and if you are lucky the club may still be in a league. We will also turn a blind eye to the human rights violations just as long as your club keeps winning.
We have to wait until summer 2025 for rulings. They shouldn’t even play the next season. Just hand city the trophy. It’s a rather boring and predictable league until this gets resolved.
The CAS hearing was loaded from the start: UEFA choose one judge, City choose another and then there is an independent Jurist. Shortly before the CAS hearing, the Head of UEFA was filmed in the executive box at the Etihad. Then the proceeding at CAS started with one Uefa appointed judge and TWO appointed by City against the rules; the latter found in City's favour. The fact that, on one hand, they say indignantly that they have "irrefutable proof" that they are innocent and on the other hand say they will tie the Premier League up in legal red tape indefintely speaks volumes. Abu Dhabi has also lobbied the British Government to put in place an independent arbitrator who will favour City. If the UK Government does not comply with this, those arms sales will go up in smoke.
They r very powerful arent they?
There is an old saying in English: "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."@@wahidj4773
Abu Dhabiis owners are richer than the Premier League so Citeh are just playing a game of dare. Dare to charge us. We’ll legally challenge and tie you up for years in expensive legal wrangles that will eventually lead to settlement with no punishment. Basically, it costs money to sue, but even if it costs more money to counter sue and BRIBE, AbuDhabi have the money. So cheating will always win in this game.
Guilty to many charges they won't get away with it. The premier league are no fools. Just because they have money doesn't mean there can get away with it.
No. The PL are fools. No evidence
Tbh city has a small fan base and the way they generate revenue is crazy😂😂
What about chelsea?
Fuck your 'whataboutisms' if they've been caught cheating just like city they should be penalised too. Just like Everton and Notts this year and like juventus was years ago.
Oil FC are a disgrace. Their recent success Carrie’s no weight and must be removed from the history books
I can’t wait until this is confirmed!! Plastic FC 😂😂 Asterisks FC
rattled by the facts
@@marlonmcintosh7010yeah city fans do come off as rattled… like a cornered rat. They keep talking about how innocent they are but seem to stop short of introducing any facts to support their claim
@@scottjohnson3971do you have any proof?
@@emminatiiepistles7354 did you just not watch the video, I don’t blame you and all.. it looks pretty bad for city? All these charges are publicly known and there seems to be a great deal of overlap in reporting on the issue… or are you one of those? City fans think I need to have the physical case file in my hand before I can have an opinion😂😂 imagine if having an opinion worked that way for anything in life. That reply reeks of desperation🤡…not sure what you think is so convincing about that line of questioning… do you have physical evidence they are innocent?
Any entity accused of such crimes would have come out fighting tooth and nail to debunk each charge. Delaying tactics and non cooperation points to guilty behaviour. Trying to find loop holes to avoid addressing the issues. Hence the term "where there is smoke, there must be fire" If they have nothing to hide, come out and show it. Stop ducking and diving.
They are fighting tooth and nail you fucking wet wipe. Sick to death of hearing all these internet experts gobbing off, when in reality they know precisely fuck all.
It’s called innocent untill PROVEN guilty. Not guilty untill you prove yourself innocent
@@Batemann1980 You are correct, although this is more than just defending the charges. It is also about the club's integrity. Nobody else will defend the club's integrity. As an institution the club has been around longer than most people making the decisions have been alive. Therefore don't wiggle and wriggle, come out and take a stand. Defend yourself, it is the clubs right, and throw the charges back in your accusers face. If they claim it's a witch hunt, then the burden is on the club to prove it, unless they know differently and the best way is to delay, duck and dive and or try and stall the process. Therefore, how the clubs behavior is viewed at this critical juncture in it's history is much more important than standing behind the statement "innocent until proven guilty". That in my opinion, can easily be interpreted as also saying "let's see if they can catch us". Time to get angry and aim it in the right direction and demand this of the powers that be at the club.
@@devannaicker9537the club have provided fully audited accounts for the past 13 years. That is enough. The premier league have accused city of falsifying accounts and fraud. It’s upto the premier league to prove it. UEFA couldn’t 🤷♂️
You do understand its for the accusers to prove guilt and not for the accused to prove their innocence?
Epl been corrupt since it started 😂😂
ManC are tarnished - I'm an ♡Albion☆ fan & hope Klopp is England boss soon as Southgate will boss ManU after Euro24. The Reds spent 4 times less than ManU/Chelsea in Klopp era but won 2 times more cups including the big one, the UCL which is worth 10 EPL titles as per Bob Paisley's autobiography. ManC success was built on 115 FFP crimes. Without that cash doping, Pep wud not have the best squad in the world & he still lost to Real Madrid & England Skipper Jude B. (As per daily mail & MoS sports pages by Souness & Sky Sports pundits S.Warnock & Carra etc) When Fergie was boss, ManU was the richest club in the world. Klopp won titles & cups with a moderate budget. He literally won a cup with 7 - 10 kop kids aged 21 & under, (as per SkySports & Kelly Cates & Melissa Reddy & Jamie Redknapp) during a huge injury crisis in 2024. No boss has done that before vs a hugely expensive Chelsea team. £100M+ signings Enzo F & M Caicedo rejected the Reds as 99% of pundits said LFC wud not win a cup for 3 yrs & miss out in Europe by finishing 6th in league. They said cheap signings Endo & Alexis Mac were average buys. 99% of pundits forgot the Anfield & Kop fans factors. Both improve & grow players a lot. Much More than any other field or fans. Clough & Sir Alf also won on tiny small club budgets. Compare gold to gold, not Gold to Iron. Both are metals but not worth the same. When comparing bosses or teams, use golf type handicaps please. Cuz In soccer, budgets matter more than coaching, its a very unfair sport. But fans become fans as kids & don't understand it as kids. When they grow up they can't stop supporting their little clubs, who will never be UCL winners. So they make the Reds thier co-favourite club. But Why LFC & not ManC? Well... 1 - To honour the Hillsborough 99 (or 97 or 96 depending on which way the tragic deaths were counted) 2 - Anfield is most magical field in all sports (ask Rio F of ManU, or Messi & UCL champs Barcelona who lost 0-4, etc) 3 - Only club to have 4 legendary bosses in Shankley - Paisley - Sir Kenny - Klopp. Only club were fans love bosses more than players. At the end of the day who stirs ur passions more? Who makes ur heart beat faster? Is it the above average looking woman wearing very expensive make up & clothes? Or do prefer the natural beauty who looks gorgeous with no make up? Do u prefer natural Maryln Monroe & Mila Kunis in thier pomp (Liverpool FC type beauties) or Viola Davis & Zendaya (ManC type women)? All 4 are top actresses but who stirs ur passions. Do u prefer the wild heart pumping rock n roll passion music of Klopps teams or the cold methodical death by a 1000 cuts of Peps teams? Klopp is Shankley 2.0 Arne Slot is the next Paisley 2.0 WBA Albion are my local club who i love a lot, but its the reds who stir my passions. 1 UCL win = 10 premier league titles 1 EPL title = 5 FA Cups 1 FA Cup = 5 of any other cups As per the Prof Haq maths formula on the B'ham University web site. I'm glad Jurgen took semi - retirement as his health matters to all reds & small club fans from Liverpool to Amritsar & from West Bromwich to New York & from Berlin to Buenos Aires. Quickly Get healthier Jurgen as u will win the world cup with England very soon. ManC must be relegated to tier 5 & banned from inward transfers for 5 yrs. ManC must be punished harder than Juventus & Rangers as they are owned by a state that funded Isis & Hamaz as per MSM report's. Isis & Hamaz killed & raped more than 1000 on Oct 7, 2024 & are known to kill LGBTQA+ folk. Due to the domino effect they denied Liverpool & ManU & Chelsea & Arsenal etc many titles & many bosses & players lost thier jobs at those clubs. Cheating is the worst thing in sport's & millions of fans have moved to NFL & T20 cricket as those sport's are much more fair & honest. Great reporting !
Super league if found guilty.. it’s all about money…
Obviously if they win more they earn more - THAT ISNT THE POINT. Before the Saudi take over MCFC were a mid-table team at best. The point is that MCFC and their sports washing owners have possibly paved the way to success via fraud and the breaking of several ffp rules. Whether or not they are earning all revenue legitimately now is irrelevant to the 115 charges between 2009 and 2017. Also for city fans trying to use this statute of limitations argument - are you really choosing the "our team cheated too long ago for them to be held responsible " hill to die on? Clearly you have no care for the integrity of the sport and care only about winning and bragging rights. But that tracks considering you are city fans after all.
So no team should have the opportunity to become more than mid table?? Lmao what a shit opinion
@sparksk8er How is that what you took from my comment? Preferably teams did it the right way. There is definitely something to be said about the lack of diversity in the leaders of the prem but that's a completely different argument. If you want to argue that teams should be able to spend as much as they want then you will just see the big teams dominate more and smaller teams spend themselves into debt they can't get out of. The ffp is there for a reason. Not everything is a conspiracy.
Guilty as charged and must face the might of the law and suffer the consequences
Judge jury and executioner are we
Guilty as charged but nothing come out yet so they're still innocent what are you trying to say
they are buying the FA ,the UEFA etc. too. so they will remain unharmed always
Guilty 😂
They are obviously cheating and r using the loopholes available in FFP rules.But might not be guilty legally because they do in so scrutinously
Halaand is earning £900k per week
No.
No he isn’t kdb is their most payed at 400k
@@HaalandCITEH correct . Stupid media said that he earned 900k
They are so guilty.
Of course they are guilty.
Guilty
We're innocent until found guilty
not how to treated mendy tho
@@slanderousquan oh dear ... swooping low there chief ...
That's not how Mason Greenwood was treated
Premier league acuse man city bit rich 😂😂is
City are going down
Look guys take your punishment like men so you get sent down a few leagues you have the players to get back up
As guilty as hell. just so much money to cheat.
Innocent until proven guilty. 🤐
For criminality yes, for cheating no!
Unless brown envelopes come to play.
Two reasons why this investigation is going nowhere, whether true or not, from todays’ Guardian Online. Manchester City is not a football club in this context. It is an arm of a highly influential nation state, with whom the UK did £25bn of trade last year. Two years ago the UAE, led by Abu Dhabi’s state fund Mubadala, agreed a multibillion-pound investment in British infrastructure. The chief executive of Mubadala, Khaldoon al-Mubarak, is also chairman of Manchester City. The same year the UK prime minister met Sheikh Mohamed bin Zayed al-Nahyan, deputy supreme commander of the UAE armed forces to agree a key defence pact. Sheikh Mohamed’s brother is Sheikh Mansour, the de facto owner of Manchester City. Relax, you’re safe.
Don’t even need to watch the video, they’re obviously guilty lol
These rules that were brought in to stop the elite being challenged need to end. Football has never been fair and the hierarchy have always persecuted smaller clubs and got bigger and bigger while the small clubs struggle financially . Private money coming into the game ended that closed shop the likes of Liverpool Arsenal and Manchester United enjoyed. With Blackburn being the first of note followed by Chelsea and many others who would clearly have broken these rules had they existed at the time. It appears that the fans of the biggest teams are the ones most upset with Manchester City, these are the very same teams that have historically had a massive unfair financial advantage over the rest of the league. It is obvious that these clubs and their influence had a big say in bringing these rules in to protect their monopoly over being the elite. If Manchester City's owners sold up today they would make a profit, no other business in society would have investment restricted to improve the value of their company. To be clear I am not a Manchester City fan , I support a club that has always been disadvantaged so I laugh at the elite crying because they no longer have a huge advantage.
Very true - it has been a witchunt all along. The club name has been smeared with an idea of false accounting for years now and nothing is proven or will be. The owners of Man City are businessmen dealing with clowns, it is purely the clowns are the judges also.
such a plastic club, 90% of the fan base are glory hunters and would be no bigger than west ham if it wasnt for the oil money. gonna be a few back handers to get out of this mess.
You are as irrelevant as your comment....You Plank.....
Define “plastic club” - I have no idea what that actually means
You know about as much about football and City, as i do about what goes on in the Kremlin!
Ask clubs when we’re in league 1 no plastics, in England. your the plastic fan. Man U are the shit and just live off 2 glory periods, you live off them Ferguson and busby the rest of your history is average, that’s why you think your entitled. Old Trafford has fallen down for years before Ferguson and he didn’t a fuck about Man Utd last coupe of season’s to extent he’s now laughing at YOU 😮😮😮😮
I can define plastiCITY.
Everyone knows their guilty including their lawyers who got them off on a ridiculous technacality with UEFA charges.
did you even watch the video you clown
Brown envelopes.
Every body knows how . Evidence please because i dont know
@@dalmarcampbell1148 The evidence is public knowledge and was published by Der Spiegel... Stop burying your head in the sand they were guilty. It's worse with the UK authorities because the technicality they got off on does not exist in EPL FFP. Now go do some research.
When did Manchester City lawyers tell you that they know that Manchester City are guilty ?
Of course, they are guilty... maybe not of all 115 charges, but they are guilty and they will suffer the consequences. Sadly it will take years but they will lose everything because Karma and justice always win
Blue moooooooon will never lose ! :)
Don't count on it. They wriggled out of it the last time. They can afford the best lawyers.
They buy the FA,The UEFA etc so they will never be harmed.money speaks
City should be relegated to the 5th division of english football
What about all clubs who were relegated, knocked out of cups, lost Euro places, lost money from not getting an extra round in the cup etc etc All the players they couldn't afford that would have gone to rivals across England and Europe? That's a start but the financial burden should be mindboggling. What of the fans who travelled to be cheated? What of the gamblers robbed because they lost money due to City/Chelsea cheating?
And then??😂😂😂😂😂 why so ridiculous 😂 Oh what a shame😂
Replying to you
Not sure who you are responding to but take your blinkers off. Man City/Chelsea financial cheating is worse than bribing referees. This is a decade of cheating and won't come to a head. Both clubs will get away with it but must be made real examples of to the highest degree. @@emminatiiepistles7354
Imagine that city in the lower divisions 10,000 away fans trying to get in the ground & smashing each team 10-0 every game that would mean more record breaking hahaha CITY CITY CITY
Fraudsters and liars. Interestingly, Pep fit in very well
Cases that have been decided by the court should not be reopened. This looks like UEFA officials are blackmailing the Manchester City club.
Man city are innocent. I know it
Everton lose £370M in a 3 year period (that’s £265M MORE than allowed by the PL) and City are being hit with claims of paying Mancini a couple of million for a consultancy deal. 🤣🤣🤣
Guilty as SIN !!!!!!!
An npc knows 😂
Guilty 100%
man city are the Donald Trump of the premier league
It seems some people are jealous of mancity, if ur club is broke, that's not city's problem. Otherwise psg would have over 5 ucl trophies
i`m a liverpool supporter since 76/77 @@Christthezoe when city were still playing 2nd division football, so why should i be then jealous of man city ??? liverpool have stuck to the rules given & won everything, can city say the same ??? if they cannot play by the rules that the rest of the division has to then they should face the full force of sentence. man city are a money and not organic based club meaning they are trying to buy tradition.
@@Christthezoelet me help you ! it is possible to heal self denial because 115 charges are not "ooops i made a mistake" keep it 100%
@@Christthezoeyou got lucky. If Mansour had taken over a Stoke or a Leicester instead, then those clubs would be where you are
Sorry Joe Biden not Trump.
City are guilty dodgy deals
10q
Why are you trying to do a fake accent
Etihad was loosing money big time but had so much to sponsor city. Does not add up
Thanos : City Relegation is INEVITABLE *Snap
115 - JOKE CLUB and cheats
In all fairness and with the highest objectivity, they are innocent, and this situation appears to be a significant conspiracy against the city. Let's put an end to this madness. They are not guilty
I agree with you they say the break all of these rules and none of them can say what they are but what about chelsea they spend 1b and they don’t get in trouble at all the only reason people say city are guilty is because they are united fans.
115 Charges
We’re innocent and we should counter sue for all the allegations
You honestly believe a small fanbase like City's can generate income at the same level as Real Madrid and United? I'll have whatever you're smoking mate.
I suggest you watch this video? it doesn't really matter about the size of your fanbase more about your sponsorship and commercial revenue comes in FFS' @@jorgenstein7
Bs yous are guilty as fuck. Small plastic club
@@jorgenstein7 don’t bring United in this.
@@buttersstoch9619 it’s true tho. United as shite as they’ve been are still up there with the top clubs in terms of revenue. Sure, they’ve made terrible investments but it was through their own means, not someone else’s. Newcastle, the richest club now, have been behaving so far… why can’t your lot?
Manchester City are completely innocent and should sue the premier League.
Yeah right, did we watch the same video
@@jesusvillalba135 you mean the propaganda video...yes I watch it.
@@jesusvillalba135he’s delusional… leave him 😂
@SpongePika the delusional ones are the ones not realizing the prem is doing this so the government doesn't introduce a regulator to watch all of the prems finances, city welcome it, I wonder why the prem wants to keep the government out of it 🤔🤔🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️
If City are so innocent then why have they refused to comply with the investigation? Surely if they have nothing to hide then they would be eager to be exonerated at the earliest opportunity? Hope you plastic City fans enjoy the conference leagues.
Guilty and wrong.. no fair play
Man city weren't exonerated the punishment was reduced to €20 million fine, not overturned.
UEFA tried UEFA failed……European Super league will be the outcome of this madness..
Fabricated charges
115 fabricated charges? Ok
@@infallibl Yup. As shown at CAS.
@@SuperCityMCFCyou won't have CAS to bail you out this time.
@@joekavanagh7171 European Courts work on the evidence so that should tell you everything. We don't need bailing out because we are innocent.
115 charges and all of them fabricated?????
Guilty on all 115 charges
Guilty