Stan Lee Owns

It’s so good. They wanna make cool characters for kids, and Stan is trying to make a real character not a edge lord.

@@lilcritic3260 The best part to me is that they are absolutely making a character that reflects who THEY are. They simply fail to realise they are doing so and he's seeing right through them. As Stan tries to tell them, perhaps this character is meek without the armor - just as they are without their fantasies.

Joseph Townsend this has to be one of the best videos on the internet its so fucking good. I’ve watched it like 5 times

Hey bro you look familiar

Kaneda KANEDA

Callian r Liefield is right though that superheroes don’t need a superhero identity to be a badass because if take Goku from Dragon Ball for example he’s still Goku wether he’s off saving the world, or if he’s at home.

@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr Yeah, Goku alternative identity, when he is not fighting, is either a guy training or a dead guy

Light Yagami A) Goku isn’t a superhero, if anything he’s more of a fighter than a traditional hero. B) Many would argue Goku is one of the least interesting Dragon Ball characters largely because as another commenter already pointed out, when he’s not fighting he’s either training or dead and that’s usually it. Traditional heroes need secret identities so we see their lives as ordinary people. It helps the audience connect with them on a personal level, make them feel like one of us. Not every hero needs a secret identity, but it often helps from a writing perspective.

@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr I'd make the argument that Goku's appeal is that he has those layers to his character, even if they don't translate to a literal secret identity. If all Goku really did was fight and get stronger without any humor or personalizing moments, he wouldn't be Goku, he'd be Jiren. How long are you really going to care about a character like Overkill?

@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr Jesus he's not even talking about an alternate identity he's just asking what the concept is besides being a violent guy that wears a ridiculous suit.

thats because the missus forbade him from interfering directly when teaching timmy and jimmy how to build a shelf

Well, when the one guy said "large kaplooie" and then made an explosion sound at around the 1:44 mark, I would say he sounded like a six-year-old. Or, to steal an old The Onion joke, he sounded like the writer for the Fast and Furious franchise.

kind of an abusive dad tbh admittedly, those two little shits probably had it comin, but I mean they are only 6

I mean, Liefeld was like 23-24 during the events of the video. Stan was old enough to be his grandfather.

@@davidgn40 Sure but 23-24 is still an adult(albeit, a young adult).The problem was that Liefed didn't come across as particularly mature,insightful and thoughtful next to a giant and legend of comics like Stan Lee in the video.

¿Can you imagine? Just being a mindless killing machine with no more porpouse in life than "overkill" everyone. What a waste. I mean, that concept if well done could make for an interesting story, but I don't think these guys were capable of pulling that off.

It's a comic book though. Comics rarely go deeper than that.

Cucumamacacapipi Have you ever read a good comic book?

@@zzzcocopepe I see you have never bothered to read a single well-regarded comic book

@@godofthecripples1237 I did say rarely, not never

When you think about it, character design is just drawing wires shaped like people.

Llamamall mind blown

"tighten up those feet" is gold.

that, "oh, um" afterwords sounded so sad, made me feel bad for the guy. lol

MrUnlucky13 Should've learned how to draw feet before going into the comic industry.

An Orange Fellow I thought there were some notes that he wrote years ago, to one of the artists, talking about wanting ridiculous butt shots and what not.

Wasn't that Frank Miller's script notes for All-Star Batman & Robin The Boy Wonder?

Stan Lee created "Stripperella" look into that

these2menrgannadoit the thing is that series was clearly meant to be a little on the side of "erotica" whereas these losers implement sexual themes (using only female bodies) in comics where it is uncalled for, unnecessary, and something not necessarily directed towards adults (meaning children can be exposed to it).

I am not familar with all of McFarlane's and the other artist's work but as far kids being exposed to sexually explicit material goes I believe there is a greater chance of a kid flipping through basic cable channels and seeing striperella than picking up and reading a Spawn comic book; not all of which contain sexually explicit material mind you.

Rofl.

They're like yeeeah you can't?

Personally I feel like this is an actual question. Kind of the hidden meaning: if you are thinking, you are not thinking about the drawing. There is this video about a guy asking a big name animator if he listens to music while animating and he answered that he is not smart enough to do two things at once.

@@luccagiovani I find that when I’m drawing a character or something I’ve never drawn before, it’s extremely difficult to focus and draw something that looks nice and fluid. Although, when I draw the fine line art, it’s much more easier and I can listen to music. I think that’s why pro artists always tell younger artists to practice practice practice. Once you become familiar with the subject, you don’t have to strain your brain and that’s when you can listen to music. The guys in this video are still clearly learning how to draw. Given the way they drew the feet 😂

@@dj__alien or, maybe, its a bit more nuanced than that and different people have different workflows

So, JJ sees Spiderman the same way Stan saw Overkill.

@@benjulc9271 *sue

GIVE ME PICTURES OF SPIDERMAN - Stan to Kirby

you think he was always asking for pictures of spiderman?

If Jack Kirby is the one bringing him the pictures of spider man then does that make him Peter Parker?

I wanna like this comment but I don't wanna ruin the perfect 69 count so I'll just say. Like.

Megan Vincent too late

Thats what women always tell me

Todd and Rob are like the two sons living up to there fathers work in their own style while Stan is their boomer dad judging them in the most polite way possible,

"If you can play it slowly, you can play it quickly." - A violinist judged by TwoSetViolin

I find that the best part of this whole thing. "What's his backstory? What's his motivation? What's he like? How does he move around? How does he take the stuff off?" And he's met with brick walls the entire time. "He hurts people, he wants to hurt people, he's angry and big, he clips through his dumb shoulder pads and the kids like it so who cares, and lastly he never takes off the outfit because he isn't a character"

He's Overkill, that's all he is. All he will ever be. All he ever was. He's Overkill. What else does he need to be?

@@RyanKaufman No, the best part is Stan Lee asking Rob Liefeld, point blank, "Do you do hands?"

The entire Extreme Universe pre-Alan Moore

@@OneEyeShadow The only thing that was overkill in that video was Stan's wit.

Not to mention, there's so much you can show just by having a superhero get dressed. Superman undoing his tie showing he's literally always ready. Batman gearing up showing he's prepared for any circumstance. Spider-Man grabbing his suit out of his schoolbag to emphasize he's a that's barely able to juggle anything. But sure, Rob, just show sexy women...

@@phineasleon The "superhero dressing" is kind of a trope and a very common scene in superhero comics. I have no fucking clue why McFarlane claimed it is something you never show in comics, feels like he's never read any superhero comics, including his own. I mean, there's very few things more iconic than Superman untying his shirt to show the S underneath.

@@phineasleon I always thought Liefield was a hack. His arrival on the Marvel scene pretty closely coincided with my giving up the books. Tromping in and turning the X books into the Cable show. Ugh. He and his whole style are a personal pet peeve. This clip made me giggle like hell. Total catharsis. :D

Aye, seems like its showing that for some superheros they put on the costume of the hero to fight crime, but for others like Superman the costume is the normal person outfit and the hero is their main personality.@@phineasleon

@@Barnesofthenorth Yep. I see it as representing that even the most ordinary people in our daily lives are people capable of amazing things.

My personal headcannon is that he's a meek accountant, but he only takes off a single bit of his costume to assume his secret identity

@@no-lifenoah7861 without his shoulder boulders he looks just like a super buff, scarred accountant who wears chains and cables for some reason. his alias in everyday live is undèur khillè.

I fucking dying at undèur khillè

I’ve got an idea in my head. He was some meek accountant working at a defense conglomerate who suspected his boss of embezzling. In the process of investigating this, he discovered that the company was producing far more weapons than officially listed and selling them to terrorists, rogue states, and criminal gangs to drive conflict and sales. Through clever accounting he was able to redirect a full suit of armor and set of weapons for himself with none the wiser. Most of the time, he labors to assemble evidence at his job to bring them in, but to deal with the chaos caused by their actions, he repainted the armor, adopting the bombastic persona of Overkill to compensate for his normally meek nature.

@@paulmahoney7619 this is a brilliant idea.

Stan Lee could be more savage than any RuPaul contestant. RIP.

@@CyberLance26 Not to be an SJW but I feel like oversexualizing a woman too much like they did back then was kinda off. Certain women dont deserve that treatment I mean look at the 90s costumes for wonderwoman and Susan Storm.

@@CyberLance26 Stan Lee wasn't being an SJW, if that's what you're suggesting. He was making fun of the fact that the only time they care about the practicality of getting dressed and undressed was when it was a woman and they could show off titties to their audience of 13-year-old boys, but they never thought to show the male taking off his ridiculous costume because he's the hero and they assume nobody cares what the hero is like out of his suit. He was insulting them for indulgence and pandering.

@xa xa Yea its annoying that here in the west these days most people are perfectly fine with showing brutal violence, blood and gore, torture, murder and other terrible things like that in the media but showing sexual content is wrong, offensive, childish, creepy and unnecessary. We are supposed to like and enjoy sexual things and we are supposed to dislike and try to avoid violence but here in the west these days it feels like its the opposite. In the old days it was more ok and acceptable to show sexual content than violent content in the media and its still like that in Japan and many other non western countries. Also people have been brainwashed these days into thinking that if men enjoys women in sexual ways it means that we are oppresing them and treating them in a bad way but thats complete bullshit. Men are programmed by nature into wanting to look at hot women with great bodys and to see them in sexual situations and we are not oppresing them at all by doing that. We love to see female characters wear revealing clothes and show skin but yea nowadays people always object to that. Men have enjoyed things like that since the beginning of history so yea its just the way we are and how we work but i guess nowadays people prefer to think that doing things like that just makes you a bad person.

I forget who it was, but someone once challenged Stan Lee on that, asking him why so many Marvel heroines had big boobs and long legs. He turned and in the most Stan Lee way possible exclaimed "Because that's what I like!". As funny as that answer seemed at the time, it's unexpectedly meaningful in the 21st century. Everyone is either typing up overanalyzed condemnation or typing up overjustified defense. Stan shrugged off the entire debate decades ago with five unashamed words and a smile.

Good man, this Lee

He mentioned it existed not that it was something he particularly enjoys lol

Can we talk about how after Rob’s tangent about how you don’t show superheros getting dressed? Short answer, No...Long answer, great observation; Letch Luther.

Who doesn't tho

1:06 he says "you" talking to Rob. Stan is criticizing the oversexualization of female characters.

Kids like in now, until something new and more interesting comes along. Your choice if you want to be the trend or the new big thing.

Wait so it wasn't Anime that started that?

I just thought of it as him calling them kids as they surely like it.

tbh i miss it

@@Vishnu_Karthik they ripped off anime lmaoo

That's what he does best. I mean look at rhino from the Spider-Man series. He's an unstoppable tank that's supposed to just be a big guy for the spider to take down, but the character itself has so much depth, with the armor plating being surgically bonded to him so that he has no other choice but to work for the bad guys in hopes of eventually being freed

Exactly I recently thought about characters like B.J. Blazkowicz or Kazuma Kiryu It's these badasses, who are of old age, and have interests just like ours. Kiryu goes to clubs, plays arcade, cares about family, helps people but does not stand anyones bullshit And B.J thinks about his childhood, griefs the losses of war, he makes mistakes constantly, etc. They're human first, badass second

Audio Cracked and he’s the RHINO, who is a side villain at best

Humanizing characters makes them such a likable figure. This is one of the reasons why people love Batman, Captain America etc., even the villains. If there is an ounce of somehow humanizing and very relatable aspect of a fictional character they immediately become a figure we can aspire to be because they are as human as we are in some ways.

@@capitatecab6049 Even Doomguy. Daisy was a rabbit close to his hurting heart, and losing her fuels his constant endless war... but when the lull sets in in between, there are moments where he just retreats into his hideaway filled with gaming goodies and mementos of a dear bunny rabbit. That rabbit is why he fights, and further motivation for why he never harms innocents, just as he did from the very beginning.

LMAO accurate!!

@@michaelotis223 hahahaha right on point.

He said mean things in very nice ways. That's my new asthetic.

Oh my god that is so perfect!

Fucking excelsior you stupid mutant

That's the best part, he wasn't really kidding. Maybe he thought he was joking about the show biz part, but it's easily arguable that they ruined it.

Now it's a different group ruining comics.

He didn't go into show biz. He sold the rights to Disney for cheap and they made a fortune. If he was smart he wouldn't done a deal where he had more creative control like JK Rowling

@@Jasonmanmosa Stan got enough money for the rest of his life and is looked upon like a hero. Also not keeping a say in the work protected him from the critics the MCU gets while still getting praise for the good things, what Rowling did is an example of what not to do: she changed the story herself and her being the author it made all the bullshit decisions made for money became automatically canon, she ruined her own legacy and is hated for changing things that she created. The best example in this case is George Lucas he was hated for the Prequel but with not interfering in the Sequels he relatively made money without ruining furthermore his own image. It's not only about the money it's also about being remembered as a great creator.

@@joshuaizly5502If my art fails I would want that to be on my own merit. No one remembers artists for their failures only their accomplishments

I think auto correct placed "professionals" where you originally intended to write "posers".

Sounds like a Venture Brothers character.

@@heavywestern5943 nah man, they aren't posers they really love comics... they just have a limited approach to it compared to Frank Miller and Grant Morrison.

@Terror yeah i know, that part wasn't lost on me dude. no need to pull out the insults

@Terror dunno man dc seems a lot more mature than marvel nowdays

That's the point. Stan was mad at them because they ruined his business. It's called competition, Stan deal with it

José Sarango You... you can’t be competition when your in the same company at the time and people got sick of those characters. Not to mention the characters you talked about in other comments where made more memorable when they... did other stuff with the characters so I have no idea where any of your logic is coming from other then this is a troll account. Fuck, where is Rob Lifeild anyway? I know Todd is still a thing but haven’t heard anything about Rob at all in years.

@@RavenCloak13 i agree with you. its funny you said jose sarango was a troll account since his logic made no sense. i feel that is a perfect example of why so many comics in the past several years are so bad, they are devoid of logical scenarios and written by bad fanfiction writers whos minds are still stuck in middle school. as for Rob Liefeld, he is active on twitter still but the latest thing im seeing from him is the Deadpool bad blood graphic novel release in 2017. didnt look too deep though he might have more resent stuff.

mhc706 Hell, middle schoolers could do better cause they can still learn, these people being hired can’t get better cause they are still so set in there way they can’t do it.

@@RavenCloak13 thats true lol.

CollegeBinary lol

LOL, I was thinking the same thing.

"I want you to tighten up those feet" Rob: 0____0;

Easy target...but completely fucking true

Clicked to see how many people actually acknowledged your three-minute philosophy series and was kind of disappointed. Anyways, nice seeing you here ;)

SpeckObst

What a bloody legend 😂

He is right...

"You draw Great Wires!"

yeah and as it turns out Stan was right, that was horrendous drawing by today's standard

Meek accountant has a magical girl transformation into Overkill is something I'd love to see actually

I once heard from a comic book artist who worked for marvel say during a talk that he got a call from another artist working there who asked him how to do perspective and then called back after trying it and said "perspective doesn't work". I asked him if that artist had anything to do with that one picture of captain America, and he said "I know which one you're talking about, but I am not going to say" but yeah, I am pretty sure he was talking about Rob Liefeld.

This is the best comment.

galacsinhajto Stan is actually being gentle here. If Alan Moore was presenting this you probably would have seen an actual double homicide. Can you imagine spending years deconstructing and challenging comic book tropes and then meeting these two and realising this is the future of your industry?

Gehrman Worse, when they’d probably tell him _he_ was their inspiration.

Triple homicide, because I am dead. XD

Drew Barnes miss you

*_EXACTLY!_*

That would have been too complex and cerebral for Rob to comprehend at that point in time.

C H A R A C T A T U E R

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That's legit really interesting. It's like Shazam or All Might from MHA, except instead of pride there's shame. Instead of enjoying yourself as a superhero, you're compensating because of who you really are. Or something. I could imagine this being the story for a villain who desperately wants to be a hero.

That's one of the great things about comics and why I want to work in the comic book industry.You can be into the same stuff that you were into when you were a kid and make a living off of it as an adult and get paid to do it! It's amazing! That's why most of the people work in the comic book industry are already fans,themselves. There are very few people who work in the industry who aren't fans.Stan,himself,was one of the biggest fans there ever was.

@@JR-ju3kj in a way stan was just like Bob Ross. His mission was to make people happy. His original comics were to boost the moral of the military and his final appearance in the marvel movies were to make the audience happy. While he absolutely profited from his work, that was never the intention for him. He just wanted to inspire, and for many many people he did.

What are f e ee t t

@@thetallone5637 A miserable little pile of secrets.

@@ravager48 Enough talk have at you.

@@Raccon_Detective. your words are as empty as your soul

I laughed every time Deadpool would make fun of that in Deadpool 2.

this didn't age too well

@@rodrigos5722 rip

Lol rip

Stan was super jealous of the money these guys were making after leaving Marvel. Stan looks bad here, really bad. facts

@@josesarango3408 yeah right bud,stan lee was so jealous because he was soo poor (Im being sarcastic)

"Flagrantly draw three more kneepads" 😂😂😂

Stan was attacking them because he was jealous of their success while Marvel was struggling

@@josesarango3408 wut

@@josesarango3408 I'm sorry, who pulled through to be the bigger success? Also stan has literal decades of experience writing and drawing characters, and is bothered by 2 artists not recognizing the potential that his character had. He was more bothered by their thought process than he was with how successful they were.

cloneheadstudios 2 Im going to say this outright, I have no knowledge of any of the people in the video except for Stan Lee, but even then I know little about him. However, from this video he seemed extremely rude and derisive. He was ripping into these guys the whole time relentlessly and it at least to me didn’t seem like he wanted to give constructive criticism, more just criticizing for criticism’s sake. He even tells one of the guys to stop talking and let the grown ups talk, which sounds exactly in line with his behavior thus far. I know people love Stan but it seems to me he has quite a bit of an ego. That and how he always found a way to put himself as a cameo in Marvel movies.

What about "do you do hands?"

paul clayton Truly he is the Watcher

"haha where's OverKill movie you edgelords??? Haaaaa!!!"

He definitely called it

At that time Lee was actually trying to start marvel studios

@The Law Go away, troll. You anti-sjws are twice as obnoxious.

What you are saying isn’t socially acceptable.

they were oblivious so its k

pro loser fhata wag

LMAO stopp ur killin me lololol

I'd thank him lol

Stan Lee is overrated. I'm sure they'd agree.

@@XXXoXXoXXXX Damn, crazy how he's still millions of times better than either of them then

REKT.

The best part imo

The chad named stan lee

I just love the way he led the conversation that way and took their own example to shove it back in their faces. What a man.

And the guy starts to justify it like "well yeah"

Yeah but spidey is less of a raging insecure hypocrit about it.

@@peterbartelt6234 what?

@@theredrule8724 stan says it would take overkill too long to get in his suit. Im sure thor puts his full suit of armor on in like 2 seconds. He says why 3 barrels when overkill has 4 knuckles... do i even need to explain how hypocritical that was... snikt snikt. There were like 5 or 6 other extremely hypocritical judgements he made in this clip, all in the name of cutting the legs off of his competition instead of getting better himself. His competition being younger artists who are keeping the torch lit.

@@peterbartelt6234 he never said over-the-top armor/outfit was necessarily bad, he just said you need to explain it. Thor is a fucking god. Also, "SNIKT" out of all the stuff!? You know well Wolverine's claws are additional bones protracting from his forearms between his knuckles. How many claws can you fit betweeen 4 knuckles? Hint: more than 2, but less than 4.

@@pvshka why were they additional instead of the 4 bones he already had in line w his knucks, also how do you know overkill isn't a god too? They literally just drew a character, that was it. Im not saying overkill makes sense, but neither does marvel. Next up

Stan was attacking them hard because he was super jealous of their success

@@josesarango3408 yeah stan lee was soo jealous because he is not even famous no one knows him who tf is stan lee?its not like he is even more famous than the dudes who created marvel and dc (That was also sarcasm)

I read that in his voice.

they could learn alot from developing a story before developing it's characters. the story is far more important than the characters themselves. yeah Over *KILL* has a lot of what the children enjoy, but what is his story? you can draw a missile launcher on anybody, that doesn't make you talented

@@josesarango3408 nice b8 m8 r8 8/8

I wouldn't see it as arrogance, but being defensive as stan had been ripping into him for the past 20 minutes

@@jackawaka probably fair enough! Stan didn't seem to be holding back so I'd prolly be defensive too

It's just friendly banter, they were good friends till the day Stan passed on.

I know this comment is a year old, but you ever see Jim Sterling's video on the Square Enix Batman design? Liefeld's art reminds me of that. "It's just zippers on belts and belts and zippers and zippers and belts and--"

The Lost and Forgotten which one are you talking about because there’s a bunch of them who don’t really fit that statement

@@deadrisinfan29 You mean which video? It's "Batman is everything wrong with square enix".

The Lost and Forgotten sorry about that I edited my comment

@@deadrisinfan29 Oh which one of Liefeld's designs fit that statement? I can't think of any that are zipper-specific or anything, but I was more implying that if you take everything in Sterling's video and swap "zippers and belts" with "overly huge guns and pouches" it almost fits perfectly. His whole point was that Enix's problem back in the day was that they were more interested in designing things to look cool than they were in crafting actual stories or decent gameplay. I think that applies to Liefeld pretty hard, at least as far as the "design first, ask questions later" mentality goes. Stan Lee is sitting there asking him what the hell the guy's actual name is, and all Liefeld can do is say "what do you mean, he's Overkill" and keep drawing this overly complicated design.

lmao

Ohhh! Good one, hahaha

Not sure if I’m detecting a pun here... 🤣🤣🤣

Oh, that was clever.

that's pretty fucking funny daniel

Liefeld seems like the kinda guy to put flame decals on a car because he thinks it'll make it faster.

@@MegaManXPoweredUp Of corse it does, ya bloody git! Gotta paint it red!

@@Stad122 Liefeld would make a great Ork

@@Stad122 slow down, Char Aznable

says the guy that probably cant draw jack lol

Seriously.

the T.V. passive aggression made this for me

It's like in the old cartoons where his characters weren't allowed to draw blood but you still knew that seconds after the cutaway someone was losing a limb.

Yes. Because he had chosen to use his powers... for _GOOD._

He was holding back

Snow Mystique Stan Lee despite not being fan of McFarlane’s and Liefield’s work, and he only made fun of his work because art is subjective Stan Lee is a nice guy to everybody that he knows, and it’s a shame that he’s dead because he was such a nice and incredible guy.

Your name makes this better

"And with only one hand!"

@@amanofnoreputation2164 To be fair digital artists only use one hand, the other might only be used to press ctrl + z whenever they screw up. So beating your meat might not be as hard as it sounds.

Dialogue and plotting are what makes the comics more than just neat drawings.

They're at a loss for words. They can't write for shit.

And I bet it affects cable deeply as well.

He is ? Isn't that a disease ?

@@CrashfHackergames it's a disease that turns him into a cyborg. So what is he? A cyborg.

And it affects Cable deeply

I saw no holding back

Well, to be fair, the guy used to work with fucking Jack Kirby...

EnemyViolent Gaming "You draw good wires" 😆

Nathan Eskin You can here the dudes reluctance to take the compliment. Priceless.

not to mention steve ditko...

Liefeld is a terrible artist. McFarland is hardly an amateur.

McFarlane is a legend man, the dude made Spawn and literally created that whole edgy 90's stuff. Not to mention his time working on spider man influenced the artwork of his comics for years to come

McFarland matured as a creator, and Spawn was at his core an interesting concept. Liefeld however, yeah.

​@@captainbrexit6730 spawn us an outdated character....

This comment is criminally underrated

He is giving constructive critisisim, it could be better

it's not constructive criticism, he was jealous of the money they were making doing their own thing after leaving Marvel

@@josesarango3408 Mate, are you REALLY white knighting straight up artistic garbage without substantiating how Lee wasn't giving constructive criticism? You're telling me that pointing out the character not having a single interesting background about themselves isn't constructive criticism? By the way, Lee was more successful than either of them. Dude had cameos in just almost every Marvel movie about characters he created, but even before that he was still more successful. lol

@@themajesticspider-man6116 I don't hate Stan Lee or diminish what he is by any means. I'm just not blinded enough by the hype to not recognize he had it against these guys for leaving Marvel. In the early 90s Image was more succesful than Marvel who was broken, those are facts. Love Stan but he's not a saint, he was mean spirited to them

Guess it's in the name. He was overkill.

They were succesful and made a lot of money so whatever jealous old man

José Sarango Yes cause all the merchandising and royalties and the fact Stan Lee’s work overseas basically created a whole new series of entertainment called Tokusatsu in Japan doesn’t count for jack all.

@@RavenCloak13 lmfao. Stan Lee did not create Tokusatsu. If anybody created Tokusatsu, it was Toho Studios and the success of Gojira aka Godzilla: the King of the monsters. Even then it was a collaborative effort from Ishiro Honda, Tomoyuki Tanaka, Akira Ifukube and the legendary special effects work of Eiji Tsuburaya.

No name Dude, Spider-Man is literally credited for starting Tokusatsu. Yeah I know Stan Lee didn’t create it himself but I didn’t say he did. I said his WORK not he himself, created it. Spider-Man is literally the most popular of the Marvel characters in Japan and that Japanese Spider-Man show was the start of Tokusatsu.

Godzilla came forth into the world on November 3rd 1954. Stan Lee's career wasn't even really started at this point. Only writing manuals for the military, a few Captain America stories as well as romance and monster titles for Atlas Comics before being rebranded to Marvel. Stan Lee's career didn't even fully begin until the success of the Fantastic Four #1 in 1961.

They didn't include the bit where he says " it wouldn't be a Liefeld character without oversized shoulder pads."

Like titan shoulders from d2

40k Space Marines: "Huh what?"

Lol you’re not looking hard enough

@Arnold Johnson ding dong your opinion is wrong

Ditko hands team

Okay may sound dumb here but i do not see how these two statements connect at all

@@defensivekobra3873 if true, I think he suggests that you need to do work with other, talented and most importantly, new people. You learn and progress if you work with talented people, while you limit yourself if you make an echo-cage of two people. Progress and learning is important.

Kirby is a legend, but Ditko, Romita and Mcfarlane were better artists. I dig Liefeld's art too

I think the worst thing i would want as a cyborg is exterior wiring to get caught, cut, etc

elgatochurro gotta also have random protruding objects and large seems! Cause who cares about nice and rememberable silhouettes and sensible armor when you can have pointless gribble and false sense of realism!

To be extremely fair to them, the reason you thought these characters and such designs were cool was because the comic industry of the time popularised these designs.

Wires to trip over🤣

Disney, where rob’s attitude towards character development can shine

How*

or "THE KIDS LOVE IT"

ReasonForNo Yeah. I mean, come the fuck on. a good, well made character is suppose to just so happenly be bad ass. the point is not to make them be bad ass. otherwise you create a caricature. every aspect of your character design is supposed to reflect them as a person. give them ornaments that have symbolic meaning like headphones symbolising isolation or a brown symbolising comfort. don't just barf up whatever you can think of like an amateur just because you think is cool.

exactly. I would have been spinning all kinds of backstory during this process. if lee asked me why something was drawn a certain way, I'd come up with a whole damn character arc explaining it. and maybe if I couldn't, I wouldn't include it in the design.

I know! It's like they had the Self-Awareness of damn 11 and 12 year olds.

The funny spin could be, it's his character ark, he has no personality and his costume only reflects what he think other wants, and his whole character ark would be to actually gain character and drop the OverKill character and become his own. OverKill could then reapear from an older fan and have the name and personility coming back with each new hero starting not knowing who they want to be but already know they are destined to take action against crime.

Stan Lee didn't invent Spiderman

Guso604 Not the design, but I was talking about the writing

@@manuelrobledo8072 He did some of the writing but far from all. Steve Ditko was the main artist and writer for Spiderman.

Guso604 I could name any of his creations with Jack Kirby then

@@manuelrobledo8072 Go ahead and do that another time then. Fact of the matter is that Stan scouted other people's good ideas just like he did with Kirby and Ditko, and rarely got any himself.

Yeah, like Jotaro in Jojo, saying what he thinks are cool catch phrases only for everyone to just look at him sideways.

The Stan Roast

Stan was roasting Todd McFarlane and Rob Liefeld HARD! I enjoyed this clip so much!

Don't worry, Stan Lee's coolness prevents all fires. In fact if he didn't through sick roast once in while the earth would enter a new ice age.

He could OVERKILL

Kaiden S He'd OVERTKILL

best comment.

It's more than cynicism - it's politics. Both Rob Liefeld (creator of Cable who will be in Deadpool 2) and Todd McFarlane (infamous for popularising Spiderman's big eyes look since 1987 and the artist and writer of the biggest selling comic of all time - Spiderman#1, which sold 50,000,000 copies) featured here defected from Marvel at the height of their popularity along with other artists and formed _Image_ as a creator-owned competitor at this time. Overkill being one of Todd's villains for his Spawn comic. I'm sure this was seen as treasonous against Marvel by many as they were then Marvel's biggest stars. Stan and these artists are no strangers and he doesn't mind being the cruel whip here, while they try to keep calm and not take the bait while on tv, as he sabotages their showcase for their new company. I would have liked to know what that was muttered at the end lol

I see it less as cynicism and more just like a good eye for character design, workflow and time management. The Image guys were successful, don't get me wrong. But a lot of those designs from the 80s-90s are no longer being used and a lot of those comics(that aren't spawn) litter comic book stores for a reason. The look is just plain bad. But is was different from the norm which gave it an edgy punk flair that made it profitable!

Wait, what happened with Stan Lee?

@@bobbie3713 He went to Heaven, Bobbie

@@sa-x19 You seem to have implied that something happened to him in his final days

@@bobbie3713 It's been corrected now

"I'll let Rob handle that"

Which video?

@@OK-wm2mr I believe it’s the one he made on which of the Legend of Zelda games are the “darkest”

Glad we have Zoe quinn and Sarkeesian right? 😂😂😂

Guess i know where blizzard got their designs for warcraft

Jack Baker Well they got their designs for Overwatch from other games! :D

***** It was a joke about the huge pauldrons in warcraft...

***** PFFT HOLY SHIT I JUST NOTICED YOU'RE LARRY BUNDY JR HOLY SHIT

Jack Baker I said the same thing when I realized who I was too :D

Hard to move without feet.

How bout Christian Bales outfit, how the fuk does he move?? Or half these movie versions?????

@@aufklaeranlage Or with a bunch of pouches all over your person that you don't really need.

they made lots of money at that time. Stan's Marvel was broke

@@josesarango3408What has money to do with this? The amount of money someone has doesn't portray how much experience/talent someone has.

@@josesarango3408 Yes, and Twilight made absolute bloody bank but you don’t hear us praising it, yet Blade Runner and its sequel were box office failures but were critical successes. In short, money made =! Quality.

No, it’s like lecturing the person who built the damn ship themselves.

More like explaining how ships work to a person who rents a ship.

​@cr87129 In retrospect, Marvel dodged a bullet by having them leave. Yes, it didn't look good PR wise, especially given how they exited, but with the exception of Spawn, how many people these days remember anything from early Image? Sure, I know Wild CATS, Savage Dragon, and some other randos, but none of those characters hold any sort of important weight today and are thought of as relics of the decade. We still all laugh at Leifeld for his horrendous art and that kind of dark and edgy attitude DID sour comics for a while. At least until the first movies started coming out.

@@BravoDox Stan was known to be a bit picky. I worked with a Marvel writer from the 70s for a bit and he told me when he sat in on the pitch for Giant Sized X-Men, Stan was confused at the fact that their codenames weren't pitch perfect representations of what their powers were. Eventually, he calmed down when they explained more about the characters in general and their backstories. That being said, Stan knew quality and these guys weren't up to snuff. I still find their rise to fame baffling.

Their crappy art contributed to the comic crash in the mid 90s. Liefeld is a hack and Stan knows it. Todd McFarlane was at his worst here, he greatly improved as the years went on, (at least as a writer, not so much as an artist). The comics that hold up the best from the 90s were DC comics like Starman, Sandman, Kingdom Come, and Batman: The Long Halloween.

@@ptcrusa Kingdom come is from the 90s?

@@edsonsengo2684 Yes, from 1996.

CaityCupcakes Stan Lee's superpower is the ice burn.

He's Stan Lee, they don't call them funny books for nothing

Newer generations only knew the old and nice Stan, he was savage AF when he was running Marvel.

Now you know why Spidey was such a shit talker

Watch some old talk show interviews with Stan. He talked crazy shit about DC. A true legend.

And Stan is totally vindicated. The older style comic characters are pretty timeless, while the 90's grim over designed characters are considered embarrassing now.

He acted a bit like a douche

xer xer I thought so too, then I remembered we were talking about Rob fucking Liefeild here.

Overkill T-poses and straight up just dies lmfao

i love the frustrated response, "yeah, yeah, ok"

There more to this? More footage?

@@elgatochurro there's a whole 30 minutes of it, search it up.

@@micalzoncillo249 yeahnwas great

Condescending as fuck

He knows his brand is shit, he's just doing it for the nookie.

Back in the 90s it was like this. Makes me sick. Happy it ended.

Heck Stan Lee probably put more effort with Striperella's design than Tod did with any of his

TheAmazingM Stan Lee: Yes, it's Pamela Anderson, yes, MAKE THEM BIG!

And despite Striperella's design it's still a better show that any Todd has put out in his comics books. Heck if you considering it as Stan Lee messing with people's expectations of Striperella her design is even better.

Stan Lee may have passed on to a much better place. But he lives on forever, through every true believers.

What do you mean?

If anything it's editors getting in the way of writers at Marvel

If you think those books at Marvel have had editing done, you're illiterate. The spelling mistakes alone show how lazy their editorial staff is. The editors are not getting in the way of writing. The low pay that attracts shitty talent does that. The editorial staff shuffles all the creatives around so nobody is on a book for longer than 10 issues.

@@ericheckenkamp6091 I'm talking about how the editors are forcing writers around and practically ghost writing them instead of letting writers do their own job. Don't call me illiterate

yet Rob was super succesful and made a lot of money... Burn!

@@josesarango3408 and stan lee wanst?

Reading Stan Lees obituary was one of the best things I've ever witnessed

@@josesarango3408 He is rich and not you so why in the fuck are you defending that rich joker who can't find his way out his own ass drawing hands and feet?

To be fair, Liefield and McFarland were absolute opposite ends of the talent pool. Likewise, by all reports, Todd and Stan were actually good friends. Rob... I suspect, less so. I think when Rob was hired on, everyone was hoping for the next Bill Sienkowitz. Bill was a crazy weird artist, but his creativity was undeniable, and he put incredible thought into the depth of his characters. Meanwhile, Rob is like, "Kneepads and Wires! ... And a GLOWING EYEBALL! Everybody needs a Longshot eyeball! -Whataya mean I STOLE that from Art Adams?"

distorteddaydream McFarlane's artwork isn't bad at all because I've seen way worse comic book artwork in current Marvel comics nowadays, but I agree with you that Liefeld's artwork has always been shit.

Not an art student (I run a drawing page on insta though) but that's exactly what I do.

McFarlane was definitely a good artist at one point. He just became too famous for his own good, and stopped trying. Take a look at his Spider-Man #1. Some of that art is great, and some of the stuff he did with Spider-Man has become a staple of the characters art. But you're right about the other dude. He was always lazy.

And yet Deadpool and cable are a thing now apparently.

Yep. Nothing but broken backs and torpedo titties

multitudeofidols Passive-aggressive contempt?

STAN LEE PRESENT'S STAN ROAST!

Sass

backhanded compliments.

He's secretly the Human Torch.

Venom, Cable, Deadpool, Carnage, Bishop. Beg to differ. What I'd say though is which characters created on the 21st century are beloved??? 😂😂😂

José Sarango Bishop? Really? And venom was Todd Mcfarlane, fine, but i was more referring to Liefeld. Deadpool and Cable count yeah but the you look at characters Stan Lee had something to do with and the difference in numbers alone is staggering. Liefeld created so many characters no one gives a shit about today.

Josè Sarango i like deadpool and venom but is carnage,bishop,venom,cable,deadpool more famous than the avengers,x-men and fantastic four? *N O*

@@joaovitor10yearsago anyway I wasn't comparing the 90s characters to Stan Lee's characters. The comparison is with the 21st century characters, all shit

@@josesarango3408 well ur right,the only 21st century character who is genuinely good for me is only miles morales

Well I mean he IS meant to be a badguy sooooo.

Well yeah, but if you ask me Overkill was one of the first villains Spawn faced that had some sort of power. They were hardly going to do something crazy with the villain. As well as that Spawn fucking destroyed him so easily