Interview With A Murderer (True Crime Documentary) | Real Stories
Criminologist Professor David Wilson conducts a series of revealing interviews with convicted murderer Bert Spencer. Although never charged, Bert is widely suspected of killing newspaper delivery boy Carl Bridgewater in 1978 - a crime he has always denied.
The crime is one of Britain’s most infamous unsolved murder cases, not only because it involved the brutal cold-blooded killing of a young boy, but also because the case became embroiled in controversy when the four armed robbers who had been sent to prison for Carl’s murder - the ‘Bridgewater Four’ - had their convictions overturned some 20 years later when a great miscarriage of justice was identified: one of their confessions had been forged by the police. In another twist, Bert was convicted less than a year later for the murder of farmer Hubert Wilkes - who was killed in exactly the same way as Carl - executed at point blank range with a shotgun.
Professor Wilson re-examines the evidence surrounding Carl’s murder and obtains devastating admissions from the person Bert considered to be his alibi, along with his ex-wife, both of whom break a near 40-year silence. After many hours in his company, Professor Wilson, who has worked with the some of the most violent prisoners in the country, presents his findings and impressions of Spencer directly to him. This culminates in a blistering and shocking exchange at the end of the film.
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His former wife threw him out and burnt a lot of his paintings. What a lady, well done.
Probably another exaggeration by him. He was arrested straight after killing Wilkes
That lady kept quiet for 40 yrs.
I was hoping the prof would have asked about that.
She had a funny
Not too clever.
As a lifelong documentary junkie I have to say this is probably the most fascinating one I've ever watched, and I must have watched hundreds over the years.
You would thoroughly enjoy The Jinx then.
The staircase is good too.
Me too .Love crime documentaries the most .
It’s one of my favourite docs. I have watched a million times and it blows me away every time at the absolute blatant narcissistic psychopathy BS not only displays…but lack of empathy astounds me! His ex wife should’ve come forward long ago. Poor Karl🙏🏻
Also low key hilarious, this guy is like a character
This man is very well prepared and he knows what he's doing. He is in control all the time, when he feels he might lose it, he starts crying, on command. His need to be in control is based on desperation.
Exactly
Highly manipulative and people fall for this bull💩
He's been telling his story for almost 50 yrs..he's gotten good at it. However the study of crime has progressed too & its gotten good too & it continues to get better....
I’ve given this some thought as well, I mean, yes, an obvious control freak from the first meeting with David Wilson, to me was rude to not include his wife in the introduction and went ahead of her…leaving her to introduce herself. Not a huge deal but you can see his need to be in the limelight at anyone’s cost including his own daughter😣 IMO, he’s a total narcissist lying, murderous psychopath. Too bad his ex wife Janet didn’t come forward sooner. It would be fabulous to find the bag of antiques he hid…his uniform as well would indeed have Karls blood🙏🏻❤️ Poor kid. RIP🕊️ I just realized he was married three times (during the course of this documentary) interesting 🤔
Text book psychopath
There's something so sinister about this man. That ability to become so emotional to aggressive is scary. He's almost convincing at some points. David looks very confused at times. He knows what he sees but is amazed at the simplicity of this man's madness. I'm no professional and this man terrifies me. He has no soul but is masterful at trying to convince you he has.
David Wilson looks just as psychopathic. I find them extremely similar.
You’d be amazed what they can do with editing.
That’s a very good point, but now imagine, just imagine if he was innocent. Imagine living with the weight of everybody telling you that you’re a murderer, for 40 odd years. That has got to do something to you psychologically.Having said that, yes, he comes across as weird.
@@scratch5120 don't be so ludicrous
I disagree. It sounds like that whole township was morally corrupt. He just mentioned how the farmer that he looked up to would get women drunk and sleep with them. I don't blame him for getting a shotgun and blasting the fool for trying to do that to his wife? What would you have done? Keeping in mind that back then the older people had leverage over others as well as the township and could turn everyone against you if you didn't do what they said. And honestly this isn't the only crime that has happened in these small towns in England. There's been all sorts of stories about cults, witch craft and satanism. I believe one of the robbers did kill the kid. Maybe it was an accident, maybe not. You can call anyone 'sinister' but you're being judgemental and as you mentioned you are not a professional. It takes a certain type of person to kill someone and hide it well for so long. Eventually they either break down or slip up. This man freely admitted to killing someone but not the kid. It wouldn't make any sense for him to do that.
"I'm not going to say let me get a word in, I AM going to get a word in, David-" *Ad interrupts him* 😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 funniest comment on here 🤣
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💀😂😂🤣
No ads during the whole thing for me
@@MrMississippiMan Me either...
I went ‘a bit unwell ‘after being abused by a Narcissist. I’m still ‘unwell’ and probably will never recover. All along the Narcissist played the victim of some unhinged man .
I think Bert Spencer is more than a narcissist. He is most likely a full blown psychopath. Narcissism is always present in a psychopath though, but you can be a narcissist without being a psychopath, all though its a very fine line. Being subjected to a person with narcissism or psychopathy is extremely hard, and it will be with you for life. My advice to you and other people who have been the victim of this is to realize that nothing was your fault. A narcissist will lay all blame on you for the bad things they do. And they are masters of manipulation. They prey on soft and good hearted people.
The almost last scene where Professor is face-to-face with Spencer sent absolute shivers as I actually know someone who argues the same way when put on the spot and confronted with the truth or criticism!!
me too! I woke up this morning remembering these exact kinda conversations! really sent chills down my spine hearing how he tries to wiggle his way out of everything and reply with threats and reversing what is being said to him.
When you've experienced it in person, you can spot it, even taking good editing into account. Some things can't be edited.
He is trying so hard not to attack him.
Sounds concerning, please be very careful of that relationship Kelly...
@@debra7699 you will be happy to hear I’ve cut that negativity out of my life! Better for it!! 😁
I've just got back in last 30 mins from a talk given by Prof Wilson. He said as soon as he clapped eyes and shook his hand he knew Bert did it! Prof Wilson is fascinating we all cldve listened to him for hours. Utterly mesmerising 👍👍👍👍
it´s good that it takes more than that to convict someone, because this was scary. I agree that he probably did do it, but the hunch of a famous doctor is not what should convict someone, and luckily isn´nt. It would be 100% possible that this guy was completely innocent, and the doctor could end up with the same conclution. And all the things that make him seem more guilty from our perspective actually makes sense from an innocent persons point of view. And the doctor does indeed look insane if you rewatch it thinking the guy is innocent
Wise words. So without evidence no one should be able to harrass Bert.@@Myrzghe
Professor Wilson is biased at @Wendyross7206
@@Probabilityislife Basically, yes. I would welcome a conviction of Spencer if he is guilty as proven in a court of law, but I'm not convinced Prof Wilson is professional when he claims he 'knows' someone committed a crime from looking at them for a few seconds and shaking their hand". Just a couple examples of this being a bad idea are the cases of Chris Jefferies, an innocent man, who was vilified and accused of the murder of Joanna Yeates in the media based on his eccentric behaviour, which saw him hounded by the public, and Colin Stagg, who was actually sent to prison because of snap judgements about his personality before being exonerated after new evidence came to light. This is exactly why we use evidence to convict people and not, "He gives me the creeps, he must have done it!". If the police are unable to prove Spencer did it with crime scene investigations and extensive research, then I don't think Prof Wilson with his "I looked at him for a few seconds and knew he committed a crime" is on a very strong footing. It may make for sensational soundbites for his paying audience in little clubs, away from the scrutiny of Spencer's lawyers, but it serves no practical purpose in the courts and to harass someone for the rest of their life based on a hunch because "They might get away with it!" is not the way to go no matter how hard that is for us to accept. Additionally, Prof Wilson has possibly made himself vulnerable to litigation by telling public audiences that he "knows" Spencer committed murder. If I was Spencer's lawyer, I'd be sharpening my pencil.
@@Vinterbukser I ain't reading that.
When you keep repeating a lie for years and years, at some point, you'll convince yourself that what you're saying is the truth.
I completely agree, but it also works both ways. If you convince yourself that someone acted in a certain manner/committed a specific act over 4 decades, then you will also start to believe it. I’m not saying he’s not guilty, I’m also not saying he is as it’s not for me to judge, however it is for me to have an opinion and in all honesty due to the way this documentary has been carried out it is very difficult to gain a fully objective insight as I feel that crucial information has been left out of every aspect and the interviewer makes it extremely difficult due to his highly questionable professional integrity, due to him being unable to remain neutral from the very start.
Wasnt this h*tler’s sentence?
@@Angel-tv5lq I totally agree.. If he would have stayed neutral during the interviews he would have been able to obtain much more information from the guy. The man would would have see him as someone interested in knowing how he feels about the whole case and ask questions always letting him know that it's part of what he have to do and not personal.. Neutrality is very important when you are going to interview people.
@@vicksss807 I don't think that's necessarily so. Interviewing techniques need to fit the interviewee. When dealing with a narcissistic personality the 'personal touch' yields better results.
@@ImperfectionGuaranteed I respect your opinion and stick with mine. A good reporter needs to be impartial.. The man have not been charge with the crime. It does not matter that circumstantial evidence says he is the murderer..The questions should always be directed at the suspect letting him know his neutrality..Narcissist people tend to talk more when they feel the interviewer is not judging or is convinced he is the murderer , like it happened here..The reporter should want to know what the accused opinion is not his.. A narcissist reveals more when they feel he is not been judge!
Love Professor David Wilson ..He is such an intelligent man .. Had Burt Spencer summed up from the 1st meeting
Brilliant Documentary. Hats off to this Interviewer. We need him for GLOBAL POLITICS !
As it goes he missed several ops there where were the owners of the farm ? they were there EVERY day to collect the paper Bert KNEW this ,id have knocked him out m8 the overwhelmimg urge to hit psychos comes from the terraces ill admit but they are all wimps deep down which is why ^^^ bert picked on an old man & a young kid :/
@@mcfcguvnors exactly! Says he doesn't run & doesn't hide...he's done nothing but run & hide & allowed other ppl to take the blame for his misdeeds. Those guys lost 20yrs of their lives.
@@debra7699those guys were armed robbers.
@@epiphanyx3705 Hi, what's your point? It's been very well established that guns were used,.?
I think he killed his "friend" because he was threatening to tell what he knew
I believe the same. His friend may have been involved and threatened to give him up. Burglary gone wrong.
“I just had a poo in the toilet”. Sinister.
1:02:45 Look how red he goes
it made me think, along with another scatological comment, that there's some molestation in this story
Yes, he’s obviously the murderer 🤦🏼♀️.
When they were in the old neighborhood speaking with the neighbor who gave him a "iron clad" alibi. She slip and almost said he was missing. She did quickly correct herself, but i heard it. He also let him know in no uncertain terms that he wasn't to be messed with. That was chilling.
timestamp?
I noticed this also
Yeah, I noticed that too.
I love that he's indignant about "i would never rob a house where i thought people were, in my uniform for crying out loud" but not "i would never harm a sweet little child"
Nor, “I would never rob a house.” Period. Something is definitely off abt old man Bert
His argument there is about logical sense, a clever burglar wouldn't carry out a robbery wearing his very identifiable work uniform especially in an area he is well known. That's the point he was making. Of course the counter is if it's something he's done several times without getting caught then he's just become complacent.
Hi Andy, his wife when interviewed stated that on the day of carls murder, she arrived home and bert was in the conservatory, he said to his wife that he felt sick. His wife noticed on the washing line a green pullover, which had been washed, when asked by mr Wilson had she ever seen the pullover before she replied no, and confirmed that after that day she never saw it again. If bert was robbing yew tree farm, he probably wore the pullover and if he murdered Carl in the same pullover it would have been over his ambulance shirt, which thus would have been removed in order for him to return home, when he was seen by the witness who clearly saw the pips on the shirt when he was driving his car
@@Suzyfromtheblock Except the witness said he saw the blue car driven by a man in uniform "turning into the farm" not leaving it.
@@janiceal-najjar5093 yes good point, we only have that witness and was it Bert he saw
First of all, may Carl Rest in Peace 🙏 Secondly, the daughter (especially) and the wife know what happened ...time to reopen this case 😔
Whether he did it or not, it is clear that Bert suffers greatly from the association with this crime. Not that suffering could stand in place of a criminal conviction & punishment, but his life has been changed by the allegations & he did not go completely unpunished.
If you did something good no one remembers, If you do something bad nobody forgets
True! Sad but very true!
There are things people need to know to have peace
I think it is the thought of shooting a ten year old in the face!
??? . The guy killed 1 person (so called friend) and most likely killed a second person being a young innocent paper boy!
@Sheerluck Holmes interesting take. I like that. To add to that, maybe there’s something evolutionary or biological to it. We ostracize the bad for a good reason; so we can survive and live as well as possible. In theory, obviously. Maybe that’s too idealistic to be anywhere near accurate.
“Don’t get on my back .................... I am my daddy’s boy” such an odd thing to say. The guy is unhinged
That made the hairs on the back of my neck stand on end. That WAS a threat, despite his constant denials that it was such.
Yes, but in different cultures - maybe "societies" is better - sayings can very well have different meanings. If you were to show a short clip to 13 different people, you would undoubtedly get 13 different perspectives.
It's really weird that you can't grip the exact way he's saying it, you must come from a good family 👍 well done to you. He means it and is warning because he doesn't want to but he knows he will if you understand that 👍
really really odd thing to answer a question of: "who are you?"
He's way too old to be saying that.
My sincere condolences to the parents of this paper boy who was so kind to go in the house to the elderly couple how very sad ,chilling to watch
Rain, hale or shine that young man delivered those papers!
he shows all the emotions of a guilty man....he knows he did it and the interviewer does too....creepy...imagine him near you...
Agree.... even then,at that time, he could & would kill you & it wouldn't even raise his pulse - very much anyway:)
He lives very close to a primary school though, which might be worrying to some…although I don’t think he’s a high risk to children specifically, provided they don’t witness him robbing a place…Dont think they can do much about it though….
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I would like to have heard more about Berts relationship with his father. I suspect there’s a lot to learn.
Yes turning him into the person he was. .☮️
Yes true!
Nah that’s just a sob story to gain sympathy
Like when he's pointing out Carl's house but he doesn't want to seem like he knows exactly where it is he tries to act like he doesn't know where it is, somewhere over there. It's the little things, he is trying to distance himself.
Houdini, and he claimed he didn't know what Bridgewater looked like. I know exactly what the boys in my neighborhood look like.
Actually the way those houses all look alike and the fact it was so long ago I don't see it as such a big deal. They look like an apartment complex here in America.
@@keepitsimple4629 That's creepy
@@songbirdy That’s how I feel too. I didn’t see that as very telling of anything. I’m not sure he did it and I really don’t know how anyone could be certain. I’m not saying he’s a wonderful perfect person who hasn’t made mistakes because we all have. However, I am a firm believer in “Innovation until proven guilty” and there’s just no proof of anything here. The fact so many detectives are in the comments condemning him is scary to me! It really says a lot in my opinion about how quickly people are to point the finger without facts. For that reason only, I am against the death penalty in most cases. I think people would be shocked if really knew how many innocent people have been put behind bars over the years allover the world.
Absolutely spot on! It's ridiculous to claim not knowing a child who only lives a couple of doors away that plays regularly outside your house.
Poor child. Rest in Peace Carl Bridgewater 🙏
Yes: and condolences to Carl Bridgewater's family! R.I.P Carl, an innocent child doing his paper-round.
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If someone living close to me got murdered my first reaction wouldn't be to immediately ask my partner "did you commit that murder" Odd.
no you're right, one would have to have some reason to do so.
Agreed. I also thought that was very odd...
What else is odd, they spend so much time focused on how he lives 3 houses down and didnt say he knew the kid, yet she doesnt seem to have any notable recollection of the family either
What about if your partner had already served time for a shotgun murder previously? I think then you might.
@@thesouluniversal but the murder he committed was apparently a jealous rage , not robbery, there is nothing to say he was any kind of crook before the murder he committed tbf.
The chemistry between Spencer and the interviewer leaps through my phone screen! Their eyes are like daggers! If looks could kill, they'd bothe be laying on the floor! ☠️🗡 😆
I was thinking, if the cameras weren't there and it was just the two of them on a chance encounter I doubt he'd have got away so lightly.
Calm down.
@misstinytrader,the interviewer refused to be manipulated by him. Something the man is unaccustomed to.
Professor David Wilson summed him up perfectly
He was ever so slightly threatening towards the interviewer at times.
He has been through the years
I think he was openly threatening
Narcissism
@@globalwarmhugs7741 oh, me too..very threatening🤯
He was more than that, he's very threatening despite advancing yrars: he exudes menace at will. And he is a wilful man.
You can easily tell this guy isn't right. It's just a feeling he gives off. Like you would feel uncomfortable around him.
Emily the loli Nightray The understatement of the century.
I feel uncomfortable with the guy THRU THE SCREEN!
What on earth are you people talking about? This is an innocent man if ever there was one 😂😂😂😂
@Randy Steele - Well there are such things as Instinct and intuition... We've evolved with them... They can kind of keep us alive and protect us from danger... Yeah!
But put yourself in his position. If you assume he is innocent, 40+ years of allegations would leave you not exactly 'right' either. I don't think thats sufficient to make a decision.
Assuming no creative editing, and that nothing is missing from this, I’m convinced Spencer is the killer and this professor is brilliant. I’ve been face to face with narcissistic killers and this is exactly how they react. The rage is brimming under the surface and professor knew how to talk, what to ask, how close to get and when to slightly back off enough to alleviate pressure but still stay on the trail.
In the docu it’s interesting who is bert talking to when he says that prof Wilson has got him by trial by media, and how did they get that recording
I am also curious about the possibility of "creative editing". Did you notice the credits included a cast of 6 players?
@@DyreStraits yes
@@DyreStraits All the credits are doing is acknowledging the actors who worked on the re-enactment scenes that are dotted throughout. Caerphilly Players is a drama group in that local area.
@@redtez I suppose that is the explanation. I have watched a bit of the documentary again and am trying to recall what made me think otherwise. Perhaps it's just my suspicion of manipulative media sources.😄
Whoever framed him up in front of that tiger tapesty deserved an Emmy for it.
Always be cautious with the bastards that bursts into laughter every 5 seconds after telling a "joke"
Exactly..hiding his nerves
Omg yes! There is ALWAYS something off about men like that.
one thing l cannot stand - someone who laughs at their own jokes.....eww!
I knew one. "Small business man." Con man ...
Very grating forced laughter at that.
"The truth does not mind being questioned. The lie hates to be challenged."
Bender bending Rodriguez, My my very intelligently put . We have a philosopher here ! :)
@@sonnycorleone2602 Nah, I saw that quote somewhere on the internet
On the contrary, a person who is innocent would act rightfully indignant and frustrated after having been falsely accused for decades. Stop pretending to know things you don't know.
Fascinating interview and overwhelming evidence. Thoroughly well done. Bravo.
This man reminds me of how Jimmy Saville presented himself... There is more to this and he's not a man I would trust or believe
Same. His mannerisms, his total denial, and his flipping of the script to accuse the presenter of the things being put to him. He seems far too 'controlled'. There's nothing relaxed about him.
He bawls talking about what a hero he was when he delivered a baby. He LAUGHS talking about murdering his friend and beating the crap out of his wife. Oh but it was his wife who was crazy and burned his paintings.
There are a lot of psychos in the medical fraternity. Police, military, CEOs, teachers, social workers, surgeons, etc. there are certain jobs that attract them. Peace ☮️ out SW England 🇬🇧
"Killing my friend hurts me" - the mark of a narcissist.
@Combat Bananas it might but hes making the death about himself not his friend
Spot on!
For narcissists everything is about them.
@@sundinfamforlife4129 and that's another trait of a narcissist. It's always about them.
Depends what he means by *hurts* and only in an objective context, also you'd have to know if the subject described the friend as a close friend or an acquaintance since the term friend is a variable. The standard issue p-scan is irrelevant as its being applied throughout when multiple stressors are present, this can lead to false results. Ive no doubt hes engineering questions for the p-scan relative to the stressors, this is not what its for. Less professor more nutty professor and i'd be seriously concerned if the cops in my town were using p-scans to formulate guilt and suspects. Lastly there really is no narcissist model of person, there are only traits.
“I get emotional”…but shows no genuine signs of emotion at all. Then covers his face with a hanky when he realises that the Prof can see the lack of tears etc. 100% psychopath.
I vaguely remember Bert Spencer from my hospital visits at the Corbett Hospital at the time as a 13 yr old boy. My mother always said there something about Bert that not right. Unfortunately my mother passed away in 2012 but always maintained that it was Bert Spencer that killed Carl Bridgewater.
Rip to your mother
Through all this bullcrap there is a family that still has no closure on Carl's murder. This is sad
William Edward strange bloke
Never even said how sad he felt for Carl and his family though.
@@williamedward1892 so weird
Like everyone else in Worsley they know Spencer did it. It isn't like some unknown bogeyman did it then disappeared into the ether. Sad that the monster isn't behind bars for the rest of his life, but there is some closure for them knowing he did it.
@@vordman agree completely
why would you cut the barrel off before shooting his friend and surely any normal person would calm down and see sense after 15 mins of sawing
Well... the obvious lie. He doesn't know what happened after the cocktail comment, but lo and behold, remembers using a hacksaw (which would have reduced stress load) and shooting his friend. That gun was already cut. He stewed in his juices, built up his jealousy, killed his friend, then lied.
PROUD_BRIT exactly
PROUD_BRIT Lmao
Using a standard American Made hacksaw a shotgun barrel can be severed in under one minute, even a double barrel!
Narcissists rage is methodical and doesn’t look like rage at all
What an exceptional documentary! First class work
When the first detective started speaking,i thought went from ‘an interview with a murderer’,to ‘an interview with an alien’.
When he said (around 39:00): "I'm my daddy's boy", that's when I'd have asked who his daddy was, what kind of relationship they had, etc. *_There's_* your key to the guy !
He was probably a violent murderer.
I felt it means that his daddy was sexually abusing him and he was his "boy". Then saying to the question who are you ? He is triggered to reply what his dad might have made him say forcibly: "I'm my daddy's boy" likely something he has to say while being abused. He stayed triggered and mentioned "don't get on my back" which is what his father would have done when abusing him. "If you get on my back IT will come out" are the next words: IT being the split persona that commits the murders.
@@reallythere You're a moron
@Danie R ... I’m my daddy’s boy/girl same as I’m my father’s daughter just means we’re alike in our ways personality and characteristics. Get off my back is an old way of saying get off my case. Old classic UK sayings.
Perhaps his father was abusive or raped him and a child because he’s stuck in the past. Nobody says “I’m daddy´s little boy” maybe its not the case but its just something that crossed my mind. If he was not the killer he would not be so defensive... hmmm
“I’ve spoken to & prayed for you Carl, many times” “What do you think he’d say back?” “I don’t know” “He might say you killed him” “He might. But it would be a lie”: 🤔
So crazy
He's not especially educated: a better read person would've said "untrue" but native cunning will only take this horrible man so far.
Yeah, that was weird. I thought it showed that Burt was digging for something he thought would show him in an innocent and caring light.
"That's your shtick Bert"
"That's your shtick Bert"
This was absolutely incredible. Wow, kudos to Professor David Wilson. My god.
Spencer hopelessly misread the room. He clearly thought the Prof was about exonerating him, the penny eventually dropped that the opposite was the case. Also note how Spencer has an excellent memory after all these years...when something is in his favour..his memory fails him when it isn’t. How convenient. And how he tries to distance himself is almost laughable. He didn’t know Carl, despite for years living a few doors away? Yeah, right. And he tried to say the artists impression of Wilkes was nothing like him? When anyone could see they were virtually identical! I believe he did it.
Ive lived here for over a decade and had No clue they had 2 kids 4 doors down till last year.Im rural, Cities are even Worse for not knowing a neighbor. The way he spoke seemed to me hes a bit on the racist side or something similar. When he said he doesnt mean to offend and say they all looked the same, ya. Hes prob like me, doesnt give a plank about the neighbors or whats going on around him, to a point.
He went to great lengths to put distance between himself and Carl.
You can imagine his demeanour turning nasty and violent very quickly
I agree.you absolutely can see how he could change.
All you can do is imagine it... because it did not happen...
AHAH Marmelade seems like nobody agrees with you, evil will get him in one form or the other before he dies
@@Queenwraith ... I am a lawyer, mate and it seems that the entire Crown Prosecution Service (the CPS) , all very experienced criminal lawyers, agree with me so who gives a toss what you think, LOL
AHAH Marmelade AHAH Marmelade ‘Lawyer’ and ‘mate’ don’t mix. Are you saying there have never been miscarriages of justice or something? They put the wrong 4 away for 20 years you idiot, and then the law decided to agree WITH ME that he IS a Murderer killing someone in the exact same way a year later! I understand if you’re a trolling defence student but if you think this guys completely innocent you’re deluded
I remember this oh so well. About 2 miles away from my home. Poor Carl, r.i.p and bless his family. X
His day will come when he has to face the truth,followed by the words guilty as charged.Not one once of empathy shown,that speaks volumes.
I would love for the behavioral panel guys to do a video on this guy. 🤔
Absolutely
“We’re not arguing, we’re seriously discussing something that touches my emotions!”
This guy practically sends shivers down my spine, he is really intimidating and I do not envy the man interviewing him.
He’s repugnant, hey-he thinks he’s smarter than everyone else and that no one will be capable of seeing through the treachery-I can only imagine how terrifying and intimidating it would be to be in the same room, with that creep, whilst he is giving you death stares, through those reptilian eyes, when you tell him he’s an accomplished liar and a murderer-😡
He’s a punie fetal old man. Push him over with one finger
Febal
Feeble, yes he is and creepy with it!I wouldn't want to find out how "puny" he is😱he comes off as cunning too.@@marietaylor9032
@Matt 22 I totally agree.
This whole documentary is a perfect test on how naive you, as a viewer and a human being, are. Bert Spencer is very convincing as a deeply empathic individual -- and everything is an act. And yes, I myself was duped in the beginning.
You might have been duped that does not mean that everyone was. If you been living close to a narcissist for a longer period of time, and manage to see trough it and start to actually study the behaviour it is often quite easy to recognize.
Yes , he's quite frightening geezer!! Thats a brave Doctor!! He's a frightening old man!! I bet she would stand by her man outta fear... because he is his father's son! Took me 2 days to watch this one!!
As an American, I can say confidently that if this crime and interview had happened in the U.S., the interviewee would have had the interviewer in civil court in "a New York minute" and sued him for a boatload of $$$.
Yes but defamation is a civil matter tested on the balance of probabilities not beyond all reasonable doubt as in a criminal trial - I think there’s enough evidence for him to be considered guilty on a civil test - very lucky not to have been prosecuted.
Dawnguard disagree. The fact that four of them were found guilty for the killing and there was a number of confessions is enough. What is the point of a conviction if the person convicted’s mom can go on national television and accuse someone else?
Maybe, but it didn't happen in the U.S., so...
I really doubt that. In a civil case aren't the rules of evidence a lot looser? Bert looks terrible now, he'd look much worse in a civil case I bet.
right, its slander
Reminds me of Chris Watts, how he talks about how the murder he committed impacted himself, while showing zero compassion or consideration for for the person he killed or their loved ones.
Yes and the trainer of Chris watts was his mother,,, it seems that Bert Spencer had a basket case of a father ..... When the police go for a perpetrator they should interview parents separately to see who is culpable for turning out narcissists, covert, grandiose, etc sociopaths, psychopaths, etc Parents not doing their job right lands the rest of society with a nightmare landscape. Of these type of people many not human. Interview them too Peace out ☮️ SW England 🇬🇧
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Haha he starts to cry and the interviewer cuts him off, you could tell he wanted a dramatic pause
That moment where he asks what would the dead boy say, and the interviewer says he'd say "you killed me" and the accused for a brief moment role plays with the idea of "he might say that" before realising the insanity of such an idea, and reverts to "he would be wrong" speaks to me that he is guilty... cause most innocent people when posed with the idea of "if the innocent young dead boy could speak- he'd say you killed me" would be outraged at the intimate statement and outright deny, rather than stating "well he might say that" SHOCKING!
That's a point
Exactly, he gave himself away there. Wilson was too quick for him.
TOTALLY! I caught that right away. It was like a confession.
Excellent observation
Even though Bert tried very hard he couldn't keep his true nasty attitude hidden. He's an 'it's my way or the highway' type of bloke.
Insincerity prevalent from the outset upon greeting David Wilson. Excellent episode 👍
Totally, anyone greeted me that way I'd run a mile in the other direction
The interviewer had his mind made up from the beginning. The guy may be guilty, but this was a hit piece.
Ikr, ain't it cool?
Prof. Wilson is my personal hero. There’s so much which can be said on this piece of art, but mostly I want to give Prof Wilson a hug at the end because he’s so distressed for Carl & his loved ones, and no doubt hopes he could obtain a confession. Bumbling Bert is a coward until the end. I honestly was terrified for Prof Wilson. I wouldn’t have trusted Bert with as much as a pea shooter in that room that day
Prof.Wilson is a narcissist himself, you can actually see through his insecurity and narcissistic inkling if you've seen enough of his videos. He's got a mask.
Wow! What an amazing documentary. He seems like a very angry, unpredictable individual who kept deflecting.
15:31 is the garden of a very angry, unpredictable gardener! 😁
His blink rate went crazy when his daughter spoke and his face turned bright red and stayed there through the rest of the interview.
That was a lot of blinking, but he still has nothing on shawcross.
The stop the camera crying whilst telling being at birth of babies is the biggest red flag of a narcissist, getting his emotions all wrong there.
This is quite the story. Bert is really scary - he's got major anger issues bubbling away under the surface, he's devious and arrogant while cloaking it in "niceness", and he goes bright red when Dr. Wilson says something he doesn't like. I think he's psychopathic and is very dangerous. RIP forever Carl.
Seems okay to me
Agree, this guy, even now, could kill you without raising his pulse one iota
This is one of the most interesting documentaries I have ever watched. It is completely spell binding and fascinating to see such a scholar as David Wilson interview this man. What a professional man, such intelligence and completely awe inspiring. Having watched it several times now, I am ( in my humble, amateur opinion, convinced of this mans guilt.) Such a terribly sad way for that beautiful young boy to lose his life and my heart aches for his family. David Wilson is incredible
Its fascinating and one thing nobody asked, is that if he was a regular visitor at Yew tree farm, why would he have to break in ? I cannot without being in the same room as him tell if he is genuine or not.
@@allisonthompson9782 Breaking in makes it obvious it was a burglary which would mean anyone may have perpetrated it. Going in by means of someone familiar to the property narrows the pool of suspects to very few. Carl was his neighbour and would have identified Spencer within seconds, dead men tell no tales. Spencer is a narcissistic psychopath, he doesn't care Carl was a kid, he did not care Wilkes was elderly and like a father figure either, he did not care he beat his wife with the butt of a shotgun and would have killed her too had she not run and hidden. In my opinion, he probably told Wilkes what he'd done in a drunken stupor on his birthday, again, dead men tell no tales.. That's why could offer no genuine explanation to why he killed him, it would also implicate him further.
Me to, mi 1st feeling is he did not kill this boy, he acts all defensive cuz he is tier of all those years off alegations against him whitout 1 rea l peace off evidence against him. Now he is old and bitter and have nothing to hide no more.
Nah, seems to me that the doctor has an agenda from the get-go
It's terrible, absolutely terrible
I'm still 50/50 on this one. The casual nature in which he deals with the murder he did actually commit is disturbing and suggests that he's extremely dodgy. However his point about the unlikely scenario of arriving in uniform, in his own car to do a robbery in broad daylight at the farm is a good defense.
robberies usually are committed in broad daylight, because it’s more likely that nobody will be home, but it is unlikely that he’d do it in uniform and in his own car, though i have a theory as to why he did that (if he did). he’s a psychopath; he gets a kick out of the added risk of getting caught, though this theory is quite weak because he’d have to be extremely stupid to do that and act on that temptation. but because he’s a psychopath (as i’ve mentioned), maybe it’d be a lot harder to resist.
I guarantee he did it. Wilkes either knew he did it or was there with him so he killed Wilkes too. Two men can keep a secret if one of them is dead.
Doing robbery on broad daylight because he knows that the owner is working on the farm the time he do the robbery=).
@@zeckua Wearing a uniform is more reason to me he is guilty. He can explain he's there for a reason, knock on the door in an official capacity, to see if someone is home not as a stranger trespassing. Car he is driving is of no consequence, just convenience. I think he either told Wilkes what he'd done in a drunken stupor or had been stealing from the old timer too, then had to get rid of him.
Hiding in plain sight
What gets me is that nobody has provided any actual evidence against anyone. This show didn't prove anything about anyone.
Murderer
It's true. Nobody can actually do anything about this.
Exactly. All Feelings and Opinions. Not one shred of Demonstrable Evidence. I wasted my time even watching this crap.
I think it raised a lot of questions that need to be answered, the alibi was certainly shown to be worthless for a start and the amount of circumstanceal evidence is great
@@davidjames6551 that's not actual evidence that the person in question actually did anything wrong.
Got choked up pretty easily at times didn't he? Not when he was standing outside the farmhouse where he has been accused of shooting a kid though, how strange...
He laughed about the killing, cried about babies
Why are the comments mainly used for giving opinion? What about discussion? There are so many unanswered questions: 1: Why wasn't the first wife asked about the night of the second murder? 2: How far was the cottage from the hospital? 3: If the door of the cottage was open, was it forced open? Or who might have had a key? 4: Was anything in the cottage disturbed? There are so many questions...
Where were the people who lived there?
I would say that the crazy old fella was the most disturbed thing in the cottage.
He could be innocent but those days people jump into conclusions.
@Alex B Thank god there is at least 1 open minded person in the comments. It really annoys me in this comment section with all these so called internet experts saying things like "im only 3 mins in and i can already tell he did it and he is a psychopath" its insane to just go along with whatever theory that a documentary puts to you and David Wilson himself didn't go into this to find out if he did it or not he went into this wanting the guy to confess because in Wilson's head he done the crime. How that guy makes a living i do not know and it annoys me that in every crime doc i see in England he is in it giving his one sided biased opinions not based on facts. Its the same with the Maddy McCann story lots of documentaries get made on the pretence that she was kidnapped yet they should be going into the doc thinking what happened to Maddy because they is no evidence that she was kidnapped and if someone's reads this and says to me "Yes she was because her parents said so" I will say to you if your using that logic then this guy Burt didn't kill that kid because he said so.
I have mentioned that in a response to a comment. I feel it is very difficult to form a true opinion as I feel that there is a lot of crucial information all round that has not been included but in asking the questions do you really feel that the makers of this documentary will answer them? If they wanted them to be known, or included they would be in it and therefore no questions to ask. A very subjective viewpoint from the interviewer is the only true opinion I can offer.🙌🏼
Jesus. Not fair to do that to Barbara. Not fair at all. She was ambushed.😮
While watching this one keep in mind that people like Wilson and his producers could pay people, then coach and rehearse a conversation with them and then edit that conversation to fit their needs.
Rubbish! They don't need to stoop to that rediculous level.
Ok
Maybe, but that doesn't take away from the fact that Bert slippery spencer is a tragic lyre 😮
This is causing her great anxiety. Her memory seems in tact. If it's true she was abused, she wouldn't have been questioning him much then and why she says that because of his book and the documentary is only why she speaks now! Bless them all.
I was also stunned with how stressed she was. Her breathing was so laboured & ßhe was so compelling. I believed every word she said!
His face got really red when the pictures of the crime were shown!!
A sign of anger. What you want to watch out for is if his face then drains of colour as that is a sign of iminent attack. He kept it together though because he had to but had given himself away by then anyway.
I agree!
Hmmm not really, his face was as red as a tomato before the pictures were shown because he was really angry with the accusations of the interviewer
@elba, and obviously the man is still a drinker.
He does seem to have to ability to cry crocodile tears with ease.
I have read alot and seen the brilliant Professor David Wilson in many cases and he seems such a nice fellow but of course just wants to get down to the nitty gritty of the truth in a professional capacity. He is so brilliant in his field and it is a joy to watch him work. Spencer is so smug and egocentric that he thinks he can charm anyone. This time he has failed and cannot take the brutal truth. For the final chapter in this, for the poor lad who was taken from us, definetly a closure has to come for those, who are left as victims for his sad loss. Just wish it could be found! Good luck to close this case!
And the way he said he doesn't drink whisky incase it makes him"nasty".
My ex said that and yeah...shoulda left then.
@@MachinaGirlRobots this sounds horrible. I hope you are well!
@@MachinaGirlRobots lol
"I didnt go home for lunch. You have to believe me. You cant disprove that." He always tries to "cry" his way out of things smh.
I know the way he snaps back at David and dismisses his questions
Heartbreaking to think of that little boy walking into that house 😢
The Father didn't show much emotion
I never heard of this case before and I thought that it is about a convicted murderer. So I was first very annoyed about the title. The more Bert spoke, the more I was convinced he his guilty. The nail to the coffin for me was his daughter and ex-wifes statements, but mostly his own behaviour.
it's the frequent forced/nervous laugh that gets me... makes it seem like he's trying REALLY hard to be convincing.
Too hard, he's a total nut job
He also blubs at the drop of a hat.
...i think he robbed the place with Hubert and the reason why he continues to deny that he killed Carl is because he didn't. Maybe it was the friend- and the night he killed Hubert, I think they had an argument where Hubert was threatening to admit his crime due to guilt which would blow up his spot too. His coping method to feel a little bit less guilty about it all is to constantly say he didn't kill Carl because in his mind he "technically" didn't. Hubert probably discussed with him that he might go to the police and admit the crime and Bert took it as "jumping on his back" and handled it as his "father would".
Incredible theory!
hhahahahahhaha He continues to deny it because he enjoys creating lies in the minds of others, he defenetly killed him, he does not want to go to jail. pure narcissist, that simple
Far more likely that Bert killed Hubert in the "throes of passion" knowing he'd do less time for a crime of passion? Bert weighed the odds and figured a few years was better than 25 years. And a child killer probably doesn't do well in prison.
You pretty much go it there man. I reacken that happened aswell. Rite on brother
Except that Bert was the one destroying a shotgun. Bert killed his friend in a "moment of passion" No. Bert killed the kid and his friend was not okay with that and it cost him his life. Better 8 years for a crime of passion instead of life as a child killer.
Idk why, but his speech and mannerisms kind of remind me of the character that Anthony Hopkins portrays in the movie Red 2. "Dr. Bailey. " Very interesting story. I'll be looking for updates. Thank you!!!
That lady at the end god bless you x that psychopath scarred her life bless xx
its her fault he is free
Why didn't she mention this 44 years ago, regarding the antiques in the shed and the jumper, unless I missed something.
@@colinjava8447 cuz she protected him long enough to where her story isnt credible...its her fault he got away with it
If you've never dealt with trauma then I'd suggest reading up on it _ some people block things out and have select mutisim because they cannot stand the fear installed in them by these predators . It's not her fault at all.
@@tminatorrrr a reason doesn't remove fault and her exp is no excuse
''just stop a minute''..(while i get in character)_
😂 Lol, my thoughts exactly.
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lights camera & ........actiion hes a terrible actor & would not survive todays prison
I wholly agree. Also, when I checked out the Psychopathy test referenced within the documentary, it mentioned that Psychopaths tend to just wipe under one eye, as they're not really crying natural tears. As opposed to someone who is genuinely crying and wiping tears from both eyes. You will see that Bert does this a number of times throughout the documentary! Another thing that stung him, was making an 'unscheduled' stop at Barbara's house, expecting that this would make him look like a warm and caring man and hoping that she would still be able to offer him a 'cast-iron' alibi for the day of poor Carl's murder. Ooph, backfire for ol' Bertie on that one. 🤔😮🤤
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I'm in love with professor David Wilson's crime documentary
His books are amazing too!
I don’t think it’s the place of the journalist to make any allegations. He definitely stepped beyond certain boundaries of etiquette.
He is not a reporter he’s a criminologist..massive difference.
When he talked and the tiger painted behind him .. " Make sense! "
Chilling. It’s the second time I’ve watched this and this time it left me feeling cold and fearful for anybody that crosses him. He used laughter and “jokes”, he’s a very dangerous man.
He certainly is. Watching him is like watching my father
@@paulacarberry1216 that must be pretty daunting for you I should imagine. I don’t know how many times I’ve watched this, he fascinates me, I find his arrogance unbelievable. Hope you’ve dealt with your past. Have a great day.
He's a tortured man who will find no peace. He might not be behind bars but he's being punished all the same.
@@vordman I think he’s too arrogant to allow anything to torture him. The main thing I pick up is that he’s right and the world is wrong. I don’t think he cares, to be tortured you would have to have compassion, I personally don’t see any .
@@kellyannnoonan2674 i totally agree with that.
23:37 "top security prison" Presumed murderer un-contained pacing on a roof shouting and painting on walls for 89 days.
Yes, I also found this 'top security prison' rather a contradiction in terms.
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Not enough hours in the day to watch all these crime docs.
"When were you when you heard about the murder of Carl Bridgewater" The dude responds "@ home" pauses a bit and then says "No, sorry sorry, I was at work" That right there is a sign. He might be innocent as a lamb, but hey, that slip would get a brother in some trouble elsewhere.
"ILL STAND BY MY MAN" THEM WORDS BRING ME BK TO WHEN I WAS ABUSED
Good old fashion lady that 👍. Wish younger women had that mind set
@@samdieselpower in this day and age no chance
Absolutely brilliant journalism. Phenomenal work. Thank you David 🙏🏼
David Wilson said that Luke Mitchell was guilty how so wrong he is And refuses to discuss it anymore
@@ronm9101 What do you mean?
@@poerava well the professor in question everyone thinks he is a expert And he is not I think it was one of the tabloids that he was writing for Back in 2003-2005 And his opinion was that Luke Mitchell was the murderer and Dangerous Well it Turns out Luke Mitchell was nothing of the sort At the age of 14 the police said that he was the murderer And that boy has been in prison ever since wrongly convicted
@@ronm9101 Do you think his article influenced the judges decision? Was his opinion poorly informed at the time? How do you know that he wasn’t the murderer?
@@poerava evidence shows that he was not the murderer Evidence shows that it is highly likely that it was one or several murderers That wasn't Luke
Brilliant documentary 👏
He knows he's getting interviewed about killing a child so he starts out talking about how he likes delivering babies and getting all emotional. Yeah he did it.
haniffah, Hi I agree. I think he did kill the kid and is having a difficult time living with it everyday. That's why all the crying.
@@channelthegijoeshow oh phooey! People can have an opinion and dialogue it’s the point of comments and half the fun of watching. ✌️
Maybe but he also seems false somehow.. god knows how I’d behave if I was accused of something like that but this dude seems über hinky! Gives me the heebee geebees.
Great point, I never looked at it like that about him and babies.
@@commonsense571 .
I knew a psychopath very well. This guy is ONE!