Eric Weinstein - Why The Modern World Is Wrong About Religion
Chris and Eric Weinstein discuss how the modern world got religion so wrong. Why is religion important according to Eric Weinstein? What are Eric Weinstein’s religious beliefs? Is it possible to become a person of faith at any time in life according to Eric Weinstein?
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Bromo, this is too funny 😂 eric asks you if you know a SUPER obscure but meaningful song that any resonable, modern, young person would NOT know 😂. No, -Eric begins to play the song with, dare I say, style?- 🤣
All religion is made-made and 100% false. Morality and ethics don't need false Gods, only mutual agreement among people is required.
New Covenant Whole Gospel: Can you honestly answer the first three questions below? Who is now the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary? What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below. Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him. He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth. Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD: Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8, 3:16? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart. Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36) We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24. 1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. 1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. Watch the KZhead videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
Chris, I live in Austin and would love to sit down and walk you through the meditative practices that turn mindfulness and turn it into prayer
@ChrisWillx, listen, don’t listen to @Ianidas300. I’m not into meditation because it’s for people who want to j/o in public but… Dudes “practices” aren’t going to include, speak out-loud when playing to anyone who isn’t Big G. God is the only entity you could expect to be able to hear your thoughts. I’m not sure even G can hear your thoughts, tho. If you want praying to “work” you probably need to SPEAK your hopes, desires, and gratitude.
I really appreciate the spaces of silence in this interview. It takes a lot of courage to let silence exist in this form of content. It gives the listeners time to contemplate the discussion just as much as the participants.
This comment needs to be heard
I agree
As Eric said, great music made by pausing or emphasis, so goes great conversation.
I think they're deliberately edited in for pacing.
I get it, but there is also a pause button
From a Catholic man, fallen from the church and certain that God had deserted me when I held my daughter as she took her last breath, this gives me hope.
Wow, I can't imagine your suffering. I watch my boys grow in faith (and science, and all of it), and I know the world sucks, and it eats us alive, and it worries me. I also know that the Creator intended a much better way. A walk together in the garden in the cool of the day.
At about 3:20 in the afternoon of Friday the 22nd of October in 2010, I was standing in the road beside a burning car that contained my wife and son. It was only my faith in God and an afterlife that kept me together, in that moment and the weeks after.
My oldest son had a heart/lung transplant when he was 17. He lived almost 5 years. When he died, I cried out to God and said, "I have buried my son! I HAVE BURIED MY SON!" I couldn't wrap my mind around it. The Lord spoke to me so gently and said, " I know. I buried Mine too." I thought about that for a few minutes, and then I said (because I needed the God of the universe to know just how much I was suffering!) "But You got Yours back three days later....." And again, with the greatest of compassion, He spoke to my heart and said, "Yes. And that's why I got yours immediately." I had been a Christian for many years at that point, but that was the moment the Gospel jumped to life for me. He died, so Jordan didn't have too. He simply went from life on earth to life in heaven. It's been 20 years and I still miss him every single day. But I know I will see him again and that he will be the one who greets me when it's my turn to cross over.
It's heartbreaking when your child dies, but it's much worse if you believe death is the end, and you'll never see her/him again.
@@catherinezoller4451to reunions 😥🕊️ stay strong and keep up the race.
*"Are you worried that you'll lose your atheism?"* Powerful.
"If God had a face what would it look like? And would you want to see If seeing meant that you would have to believe?". - Joan Osbourne.
How do you lose atheism?
I don’t get why it’s powerful. I have no reason to believe in a God or a religion, therefore I don’t. If I changed my mind and started believing in a God or in a religion, I’d no longer be a non-believer. Why would I be worried about changing my mind?
@@weddingvideographerireland its powerful because belief is not absolute. That's the point Weinstein is trying to make. Even in his quasi atheism, which he's firm on, he accepts that he could be wrong and there could possibly be a god which he doesn't understand. Former Atheist, now agnostic, I realized years ago how foolish it is to be so certain there is no god. We dont yet know enough about the universe to be that resolute. In the west, we try to understand our reality through science and empirical means but even with our advances, there are things weve yet to understand, take 'spooky actions at a distance' in physics for example. What is the mechanism that allows 2 atoms to be entangled?
Can someone please explain the profundity of this?
I use to say I had no faith, and then I realised that I had faith in lots of things I had no real reason to believe in. Then, I had an experience that taught me that faith is a journey and it starts with a step and it lead to humbleness, reverence and respect for the devine.
Well said my friend.
Faith is weakness of the mind.
@@Apistevist Spoken like a true Reddit tier atheist
"Weakness of the mind;" that is so apt. As if your mind, yours individually, must be strong and perfect and right, always. The men in the video (atheists) are questioning the value of all that came before. Is their humility not a strength? Be honest.
How do you define “faith”?
“Religion is interested in you whether or not you give a shit. It knows who you are and finds its way into every aspect of your life. And if you’re going to be an honest atheist, you have to admit that.” Having been an atheist for many years and then a born again Christian, this is a very powerful statement for me to hear. I have no interest in being preachy or trying to covert anyone. But having been on both sides, it definitely resonates with me.
Songs and art referencing old books with mostly made up stuff isn't a great argument to just be religious. The very religious following those books would completely reject the even older stories and traditions some of those old stories have been recycled from. Egyptian, Sumerian, Babylonian, etc. etc. ideas of god(s), afterlife, etc...the Abrahamic religious folks would quickly dismiss and openly mock as 'myths'...and their (sometimes similar) Abrahamic stories as real truth... it's all the same category of made up stuff by people thousands of years ago to a rational person. Trace it back enough, and you're at some Neanderthal or other person from 30k years ago or more suggested the sun is alive and has emotions...and it went forward from there.
When I finally read the bible with an intention to learn, rather than confirm what I thought I already knew, I was astounded at what I found there. I do indeed find myself known in ways and parts I myself had been ignorant of. And as I have listened and learned, I've changed, and my relationships with those around me have changed, and so has my relationship with this beautiful world of ours. Still feel like I'm just beginning. There is such Joy to be had in a walk with God - I'm so glad I chose that path when he graciously laid 2 happy successful paths in front of me - one with Him, one without. No coercion, just a simple question - "Do you want to do this with me or by yourself?" The way with Him glittered ahead with the promise of so many moments of joyful encounter and discovery - as if the sun was catching diamonds scattered on the ground. I've never regretted that choice. God himself is the reward - a Joy that cannot be matched.
It certainly is interested in you. You join or bad things happen. You stay in line or bad things happen... that's been the norm for thousands of years...and is now still in dozens of countries. When states finally took away their ability to physically punish in the west, they still would ostracize people from communities, publicly shame people who didn't donate enough, demand tax payers support their structures and festivals, etc. They are VERY interested in anyone they can do something to or take something from.
There’s a difference between secular prayer and religious prayer. Prayer is scientifically proven to have beneficial effects on mental health, with or without a belief in God.
"Religion is interested in you whether you give a shit or not." True, because without 'fresh converts', religion dies.
Eric is one of my favorite human beings to listen to. I was raised Christian and accepted Christ. I grew up and went to college. I became an Electrical Engineer. I had my doubts though I never completely lost my faith. I had a professor tell me that if you want to be religious you have to leave that out of science. I thought he was making fun of religious people until he told us he was Christian and went to church every Sunday. I understand what he means now and I think he was saying the flip side of what Eric was saying. I’m older and hopefully wiser now and I’ve never been stronger in my faith. I think even an atheist living out the teachings of Christ could find peace and happiness even if they didn’t truly believe. I would bet they would find faith sooner than later but that’s just my opinion.
"if you want to be religious you have to leave that out of science" It all depends how you see the whole of reality. it also depends on how see each domain. Carpentry is a domain, yet I wouldn't go "heavy" with religion while engage with it. Ponder the significance of: The earth is the Lord's and the *fullness* thereof of. "Fullness" means more than material.
I've never thought there was any conflict between science and religion. There is, of course, between false religion and science, or religion and false or misunderstood science, or the caricature of religion that so many make of it. I don't think God created things through some kind of woo woo magic, but by understanding the laws of physics, having mastered them completely as if He had created them Himself. Or perhaps He created the laws of not only this Universe, but others. For anything to exist, there must be some stable principles upon which it exists. I see God, angels, etc. as the most advanced civilization in existence, having mastered the laws & principles of matter, time and energy to the ultimate degree, or a degree that we can't yet imagine. If we are ever able to continually progress in our knowledge of science without destroying ourselves, we would eventually get to a point where no more progress was possible without mastering perfect morality and human relationships. And once we master those, we can progress on, to higher dimensional realities, the secrets of time, and traveling infinite distances in an instant. If there is anything that holds science back, it's the assumptions that [1] physical matter at our vibration level is the only thing "real", and [2] that future knowledge & discoveries must be consistent with what we "know" now.
The character of Jesus wasn't the first to preach basic morality and certainly doesn't have a monopoly on it.
They have the appearance of godliness but lack the power of it
Practising "Love Thy Neighbour" or the Buddha's "8 fold path" or the Sanatan "Vasudeva Kutumbakam" will make joy arise in one' s life. Seekers are inevitably going to discover contentment.....that is the highest point of evolution?? But then again... maybe not😅
I began praying every morning about 2 years ago. I'm noticeably better for it. I've been Christian my whole life, but making prayer a habit is a whole other level. It's a beautiful thing.
It is :)
I've been meditating for 2 years and I'm better for it.
Amen to that! It's a discipline I struggle with, but each time I fall away I see that life is less sweet, and so I come back and find that He has been there all the time, letting me do my own thing, but meeting me with such kindness and wisdom when I finally come back.
I’m a Christian. Thoroughly enjoyed watching this.
You're indoctrinated more like
Im a Buddhist but I do believe we still have common ground? We are both believing in Love and Compassion and about bringing Spiritual awareness to this world! God Bless you!
I'm agnostic, but that conversation was mesmerizing. Very good stuff here.
Great choice of a word. Mesmerizing. Attributed to Franz Mesmer. Later used to describe hypnosis. The world has been hypnotized by so-called Religion, and now it's as lost as it was on the first day. Fumbling in the dark AND claiming 'we know' what we're doing. No, we don't.
“What is mind? Does it matter? What is matter? Never mind.” Homer Simpson to Bart.
Super obscure pull, wonderfully executed.
BKs own, Sir Guy?
10:25 It's the Catholic Latin Mass, and it's growing in popularity with young people all over the world. (It's not a separate denomination: it's Catholicism using a form of the Sunday Mass that was universal until the early '60s.)
My Mom was raised Catholic and went to Catholic school up till 9th grade. Until recently i had never thought about the fact that with her age she probably saw the change. Mass was in Latin until she was something like 10 years old.
I attend an FSSP parish. We have 3 packed Sunday Masses every week as well as daily mass and confession with Exposition and Adoration every week. Our priests are young, as are the parishioners. Women are veiled and modest in dress. Large families are the norm. We are the future of the Catholic Church.
I’m one of those old people. You don’t need to “know” Latin to “get” the Latin Mass. There are books and there’s even an app (Laudate) that has the Latin/English on the same page so you can follow along. As a child, the Latin was taken away, churches were basically sacked, music dumbed down, etc. I attend a diocesan Traditional Latin Mass in east Tennessee.
There are a strong move in that direction here in Brazil too, especialy in the west part of the south region.
Chris also acts like he does not know what happened during "Vatican II."
This is really refreshing. I am a Christian but was agnostic for most of my life. People don't realize the ramifications of having an entire society void of faith
My life got better once i become an atheist
People do know what it’s like to watch someone massively overgeneralize. They also know what it’s like to watch an entire society be led astray by their beliefs.
Have fair rules. We have surveillance cameras and forensics now. Just tell people they actually can and will be punished by other people if they go against the rules. No omnipresent being or afterlife made up is necessary now. Plenty of other societies had religion, too. Societies you wouldn't want to live in. It's made up as people go along, and goes off the rails terribly once in a while. And remember what has happened when Abrahamic religions actually had direct power in Europe and elsewhere...like heretic burnings because 'they don't kneel at church, and we do' types of differences between groups.
it's possible to have faith without believing in the existence of the supernatural
I definitely see more people realising some of the less obvious things that were got rid of when people decided they could do without faith - community, inter-generational contact, service, fellowship, shared worship, communal prayer, neighbourliness - we all do these things in part but without a compelling and uniting story and shared experience it become something a minority engages in when they feel like it, and it starts to get too much for the few to carry... Not many yet connect the issues in society with their own decisions - I think most are still living off the inheritance of their faithful forebears without realising that inheritance is dwindling fast. Just because everyone did a really poor job of following the teachings of Jesus for 2000 years, doesn't mean that a world where people have stopped trying looks any better...
Sometimes I am left to simply say Wow. Thank you Eric.
Same It’s the best Is it honestly that makes us love the information?
“Early religions were like muddy ponds with lots of foliage. Concealed there, the fish of the soul could splash and feed. Eventually, however, religions became aquariums. Then hatcheries. From farm fingerling to frozen fish stick is a short swim.” ― Tom Robbins, Skinny Legs and All
I really love these conversations between Chris and Eric. Notice if you feel uncomfortable when there's a long silence in the conversation. They are truly listening to one another deeply, much is communicated in those silences. Well done, Chris, and congratulations on the growth of your channel. You deserve it.
Good point about the comfortable silence. A sign of a truly open and exploratory conversation.
Neo-modern meditation is not prayer. It’s actually amazing just how powerful prayer is.
Powerful in what way?
Meditation is thousands of years older than Christianity bro
I think you meant to say Post-modern
Define powerful. It actually accomplishes nothing tangible.
@@andrewfrank7222 Is "tangible" the limit of legitimacy?
Weinstein just swept musical religion jeopardy for 500 Alex! Huge fan of you both keep killing it! 👊🏼
Songs and art referencing old books with mostly made up stuff isn't a great argument to just be religious. The very religious following those books would completely reject the even older stories and traditions some of those old stories have been recycled from. Egyptian, Sumerian, Babylonian, etc. etc. ideas of god(s), afterlife, etc...the Abrahamic religious folks would quickly dismiss and openly mock as 'myths'...and their (sometimes similar) Abrahamic stories as real truth... it's all the same category of made up stuff by people thousands of years ago to a rational person. Trace it back enough, and you're at some Neanderthal or other person from 30k years ago or more suggested the sun is alive and has emotions...and it went forward from there.
I love watching these two, you can tell how much respect Chris has for Eric, like his favorite uncle.
"Dominion" by Tom Holland is an absolute must-read
The podcast series The Surprising Rebirth of Belief in God features some of his interviews. Highly recommended series.
Can you share one insight from “Dominion”?
@@mackprime6975 That Christianity was the best thing that ever happened to the world and that just about all of our values we hold dear derive from it.
Tom Holland and Justin Brierrley are the best when it comes to tracking the rediscovery of God.
It's next on my reading list.
I’ve never considered myself a fan of Weinstein, and after watching this interview, I think I’m even less so. Are these really his best arguments for why people should pray or be religious? Music is moving. You don’t have to be religious to know that. He says people are missing out on religious references; so what? A lot of people also miss a lot of references to Shakespeare that doesn’t mean everyone has to be a theater kid. His argument seems to boil down to it feels nice to be religious, and at best, he mentions some of the social benefits. None of which speak to the truth of religion, and none of those things cannot be found outside of religion.
Yeah, it's ironic that since I left the faith after being in it for over 4 decades - my appreciation for music, art and the wonders of the universe have only increased. I get that religion can make you feel good in the face of an intimidating existence - but it's not the only way (or even the best way).
I'll make sure to tell the lads at the pub you have said so.
Even the phrase "Judge not" (which is a fragment of a more complete dynamic) holds weight. It came from the mouth of Jesus.
It IS the best argument because it's the foundation to how we function. Take away that foundation, and you'll have humanity revert to a dog eat dog mentality. We live in a mental/spiritual/phycological framework that constricts our baser instincts for a higher good. "None of which speak to the truth of religion, and none of those things cannot be found outside of religion." ? Secularism is a religion, that borrowed off values that came from "religion", while touting itself as being non-religious and "neutral".
I think the argument is "Religion is functional". Going to the music example, its not that its simply useful. This person had a range of similar views that were fully accessible.
I am compelled to listen to these interviews with Eric, simply because what he says so eloquently helps me to further process my own thinking and perceptions of many issues I confront in this life. This elaboration on religion was helpful to me, (as my own views are always in development and tend to be confusing to other people who either rigidly adhere to their doctrine or totally reject any mention of religion altogether so I don't tend to express my own views publicly) but they are very close to what Eric was discussing here.
A cynic might say it’s a good time to start a church, temple or some other religious structure(concrete and abstract). We are vulnerable creatures when we are scared. 💸
It's a big mistake to think that we automatically understand someone else's words or explanations. The meaning that person has for the words they use, does not travel with the words to the person they're talking to. When we hear someone's words, we organize them, and extract what they mean to US. In most cases we don't quite hear what the other person is saying unless it's mundane, or cliche'. I don't remember ever being able to match my meaning by finding the right words, for anything beyond the mundane and cliche'. I always have to settle for words that can only give a clunky and vague sense of what I'm trying to say. And you can't communicate an experience the other person never had.
The Church that is in Latin is the pre-Vatican Catholic Chruch. As a little girl being raised as a protestant, I often stood outside the local Catholic Church to listen to the Latin Mass, and it was BEAUTIFUL!!! I didn't understand the words but it was mystical and touched me in ways that are hard to explain. Language is actually very superficial and trite, and it's impossible to get the gist of the mystical or metaphysical in language. This is why we need myth and legends that explain in story what we can't explain in our hearts. To read the Bible verbatum is to only understand it on a very superficial level, which often leaves us cold and wanting. But to study with a great teacher is profoundly eye opening. We have some great teachers today, including Jordan Peterson and Dennis Prager, and after this discussion I think Eric is much deeper than I ever thought he would be. When I've told friends that I prefer opera where I don't understand the words, they look at me as if I'm crazy; I'm not. I like to get the basic outline of an opera plot and then let the music itself tell the story without language getting in the way and making it just another trite love story.
Have you listened to orthodox Christian music on KZhead? Also beautiful
Very nicely written comment :)
Feeling are not facts.
wow
Chris, darling, you're totally enjoying and learning a lot like all of us. This guy is a genius, point-blank. He's been since he was born, many of us know him perhaps longer than you. What an honourable guest! Thank you
Bro why simp so fucking hard
@@michealjaymurphy They are taught to do this...... Don't get him started on Jesus.... A fictional character... At least Eric is a real human.
Sorry no, this guy and is brand of narcissism is hard to stomach, he's kinda insufferable. I remember when he and Brett first popped up on the scene and they went through a process of getting to terms with their newfound celebrity. Eric would try to dominate his younger brother while the pair are sitting in front of the camera, and in embarrassing fashion, it was quite telling. Smart in some ways, underdeveloped and t. insecure in others. If you couldn't tell btw, Chris is putting up with him here, just doing so politely.
Atheist Jew PhD says that Vatican 2 maybe a mistake?
The truly open mind honestly and sincerely considers ideas that don't align with its own views. This is how humans grow and evolve, not only in knowledge but also in philosophy and in character. The alternative is to latch onto an idea, carve it in stone, and place it on a pedestal where, now, the adherent mindlessly chants their favorite hymns and prayers at anything that dares to disagree with that dogma. This is the context in which I appreciate Eric saying to Chris, *"IF* you're going to be an *honest* atheist..." Because to be anything less is to be dishonest, intellectually speaking.
Try typing was Vatican II A mistake into KZhead and you’ll see thousands of hours of videos about the topic. And yes it was.
We are in a cultural shift right now where millennials like me are returning to pre Vatican 2 Latin mass and it’s changing our lives. I just can’t understand why the pope is locking us out.
What is so surprising about that? An atheist Jew has every right to express his opinion on any subject he wants to say something about. Evidently Eric is well read enough to have an opinion about a lot of subjects, this being just one of them. Good for him!
@@r.mucklin1703 I think he’s just making the point it’s not typical for anyone outside the church to know about these things much less to care. Atheists in particular.
I do feel like the decline of religion is heavily correlated to the decline of society that we’re seeing nowadays. I’m one of those people that lost their faith, but I’m starting to come back around to the idea of a God.
More like the exact opposite. The decline in religion is correlated with the rise in society. Religion drags us backwards into darkness and ignorance.
It's a replacement of religion, not loss
God bless you
How did you lose your faith and what is making you reconsider?
I see no evidence anywhere in science that even hints that such a high ordered system such as a human being can just come into existence. The real myth is that millions of consecutive "accidents" formed the most advanced technology in the known universe, ie the human being, with no intelligent guidance. Creation is the evidence of a Creator if one is honest about what we are actually observing.
He has a lot of humility and confidence to play and sing knowing he’s not good. Not many people would.
He's not bad. False humility is a way to get a compliment or, at the very least, surprise people expecting total musical incompetence.
he's pretty good on guitar
I’ve long thought the modern Western world often harbors a secular bias that marginalizes religious experiences through oversimplification and commercialism. And the “spiritual but not religious” narrative reflects a disillusionment with organized religion but also suggests a longing for a connection to something greater than oneself. Eric does a better job than I at effectively highlighting the benefits of our capacity to harness this power to tap into the whole - by whatever name you choose to call it is less important.
“by whatever name you choose to call it” spirituality is secularism.
" Divine Union is possible through self effort and no longer need be tied or limited to theological beliefs or a cosmic dictator. " Lahiri Mahasaya
@@CaptainPhilosophicalNew Age mumbo jumbo. It’s not really a new concept but an old one. Ignorance of A God who had finally made himself known in the form of one named Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
@@cdeep4548 lol. Lahiri wasn't new age. You're funny. Your opinion doesn't match my experience. “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do." Jesus Stop selling yourself short. Do the work and you too can be just as great or greater!
@@CaptainPhilosophical Hinduism, Buddhism, etc etc is adopted and and adapted into New Age whether you like to believe it or not. This is what I find so interesting about people who don’t know Jesus. Contextually out of touch with what scripture is a common sign. And yes we have a completely different experience, I will agree with you on that one.
I love seeing self professed atheist show interest, lamentation, and experimentation towards faith in the Devine. It's very encouraging. God Bless them
Just wondering. Since you love it, are you doing the same thing in the opposite direction?
How aboht the uther way around. Seems most religious people don't tolerate the idea they may be mistaken.
Jase, what do you think “Take the log out of your own eye and then you will see clearly to see what is in your brother’s” is all about? The Christian faith, if it is anything, is a continual exercise in self-examination and renewal into the removal of unjustifiable biases. You should try it.
@@jase123111 I think you'll find that in today's world there are a great many people who won't tolerate that idea either... and they don't have any faith. Perhaps, it's not as simple as saying that a particular category of people have the cognitive bias / dissonance, rather that humans have that tendency and it can show up where you least expect it - even in some parts of the scientific community (Heresy, I know).
oh but the divine is not restricted to mere christian interpretations.
I used to think I had to believe to pray. Now I pray and belief comes.
I used to believe and pray. I stopped believing, so I stopped praying.
@@jaredprince4772 And I feel so very sorry for you. You obviously believed only superficially, and that isn't what it's all about.
@@r.mucklin1703 You can't possibly know what or how deeply I believed. You're presuming it based on you preconceived notions. To state that you feel sorry for someone that is not asking for your sympathy is an insult. There is necessarily superficiality in every belief system that explains its parts as mysteries. Calling them mysteries gives the appearance of depth while providing no depth at all.
@@r.mucklin1703 My guy we call this type of reasoning a 'no true scotsman' fallacy. No need to be so dismissive. Here's a thought experiment: What about Christian doctrines that like Calvanism, i.e. once you're saved then you're always saved? Are they not genuine believers either? Instead of being dismissive why not seek to understand their point of view?
@@jaredprince4772 No apology and no sympathy from me. You can say anything you wish, but if it's said in public I can also say how I feel about what you said.
Post-modernism tenets: 3) a questioning of reality and representation (there is no truth, it's all fake news), 4) a critique of “metanarratives”(counter-storytelling. All history, literature, religion is wrong/biased) 5) an argument against method and evaluation (fundamentally anti- Enlightenment) 6) a focus upon power relations and hegemony, (regularly rebranded as “structuralism”, “post structuralism”) 7) a general critique of Western institutions and knowledge. A critique of liberalism. (Kuznar 2008:78).
Postmodernism is pseudo-philosophy and the worst thing to happen to the field.
Post-modernism is a nihilistic death cult.
Sounds a lot like Wokeism, but without the woke grand narrative.
And it demolishes everything it touches
Pretty bad take. What about death of god theologians? Vattimo, Marc C Taylor or hell, Nietzsche himself? Sometimes the only way is through
Chris - Your content is next level and this conversation was truly important. I would encourage you not to cheat yourself by treating Weinstein's questions in this conversation as mere rhetoric.
That closing remark is so true. As someone who was a Christian, became an atheist, and now is agnostic I have found spiritual experiences have a way of popping up in my life. Not sure if that's exactly what Eric meant, but that's been my experience.
Those experiences are God reminding you that he is real…. Calling you back to a relationship with him.
@@matthewmiddletn9856 I have a relationship with God, just not the Christian one.
@@matthewmiddletn9856that’s just confirmation bias. There’s no evidence of this at all. You believe in God so anything that happens, you just assert it is God with no backing. We don’t know it certainly wasn’t God but it seems very unlikely
@@danielcooper3868 that’s called faith.
@@matthewmiddletn9856 yes, and faith sometimes can be very silly. Have faith in your partner instead of
When you experience the spiritual as in Latin or another language in bypasses, the ego, and you realise you’re still there🙏
the dramatic pauses from this man
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It's really hard to take.
I keep thinking I lost internet connection.
Those pauses are computational, he actually thinks about what he's saying before he says it.
How can we make sense of this mad world?.. look beyond it. Choose to value the eternal invisible rather than the temporarily sensorial.
Thank you..the music references were the best !..the door to the heart is sound.. harmony... ...singing makes it real.
That lyric isn't Hendrix, it's Bob Dylan.
The song is All Along the Watchtower. Made famous to the public at large by Hendrix, but yes, penned by Dylan.
@@xEJCBxYour welcome
@xEJCBx it's a cover of the Bob Dylan recording from 1967, John Wesley Harding is the name of the record.
I think of Eric as encyclopediac in his approach to music. His discussion of religiosity in music falls short when he invokes Hendrix. Surely he knows that Dylan is the author of AATW, and Dylan's lyrics are rife with spiritual meaning, making Eric's point not so revelatory.
@@TheGalxz and that bob certainly didn’t believe in anything other than writing great songs, let alone Christianity.
Damn what a wonderful and solemn convo. Also: Eric: I can't really play all that well. Also Eric: *slays*
Chris and Eric conversations are absolutely priceless! Listening to them in one breath. Thank you!
Great interviews. You listen and let people speak and your follow up questions are good, careful and honest. When it comes to music there is a tuning fork effect. Something out there resonates with something within us. As Peter Gabriel says---- "More than this." We know what we know but there is what we don't know and music, prayer, mediation touch the more.
Eric is exactly right. Modern people dropped all humility. They assumed layers and layers of arrogance. And they are miserable for it. Tell them to pray, and they refuse. You open the door for them and tell them, happiness is on the other side. They won't budge.
A significant number of moderns believe that 'science' has disproved the relevance of scripture and the existence of god.
This feels like a man in a white van telling kids there’s candy on the inside… You have to have something make sense. Blind following is seen as stupid in everything but religion. For good reason too
@@danielcooper3868 I recently began reading the bible. Mostly out of curiosity. I hadn't read it since my childhood, decades ago. It occurred to me the other day that throughout my atheistic adulthood I'd made condescending remarks about religion, like you just did, without actually knowing much about the actual religion(s) I criticized. Particularly without having read the texts that are the basis for said religion. So where did my anti-religion convictions come from? The people around me, of course. I was part of the herd. It's easy to dismiss things when you know little to nothing about them, so why not? Quite a few things brought me back around to Christianity. My experiences living overseas in the third world. Comparative analysis of cultures (those with Christianity vs. those without, ground Tom Holland covered in his book Dominion). Also studies by scientists of NDE's, providing a mountain of evidence consciousness survives death. A good starting point for that subject, by the way, is Tom Shroder's book Old Souls. Excellent read. So anyway, all this forced me to see that the atheistic point of view chiefly boils down to attitude. A fixed attitude will not reconcile itself to reality. Regarding religion, particularly Christianity, someone made a good insight, a podcaster whose name I'm forgetting now (Carrie something, maybe), while on Zuby's podcast a while back. She admitted a trajectory like I'd had. Went to college, got brainwashed, spent years as a progressive zealot, condemned Christianity, etc. For various reasons she managed to come out of it. (As did I, though for different reasons). Anyway, she too saw the hypocrisy and shortsightedness of atheists, all of whom are ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I'm paraphrasing, but her sentiment was that you've got thousands of years of wisdom, poetry, stories, and life lessons collected in one book, and yet these critics think they're better than that, think they don't need it, think there's nothing there to offer. Again, that's easy when you haven't studied the material. Makes you realize their dismissiveness is some very powerful arrogance. Not to mention very powerful closed-mindedness. Every progressive and every atheist I speak with shows the same mindset. All conviction and no knowledge. In any case, you do whatever you think is right, whatever your heart tells you.
Read about the Pharisees and you'll understand why. Modern Christianity is filled with self righteous hypocrites, egos ballooned to infinity.
I have musical anhedonia. It's a condition where you don't have any emotional response to music. The cause is the reward-auditory cortex interaction in the brain being screwed up. I can appreciate the complexity of music, I can appreciate the lyrics, but I have no emotional response to the music. Listening to music has never brought me any joy or happiness. It is difficult for me to relate to everyone else sometimes because music is so important to culture. I recently found out from some friends that people remember music that was played in movies and shows in different scenes. I was stunned because I honestly don't remember any of the music when I'm remembering a scene. It really bums me out sometimes that I'm missing out on something that clearly brings so many people happiness.
That is fascinating! I have learned something new from you again. I just looked up more details about the condition. This led me to try to imagine hearing music without feeling it. I guess it would be like watching a movie without a soundtrack. While it is a deficit in one way, it is an asset in another. One is much less able to be propagandised and far more able to see fact from fiction when emotion is removed from music. Without John Williams's musical score, Star Wars really isn't that good. Thank you for broadening my knowledge even more, friend. 👍🏻👍🏻
Time to try some psychadelics? I suspect they *may* open that up for you? Worthy a try!
@@prycelessly No problem! I guess it's kind of like watching a movie without a soundtrack. I can still hear the soundtrack, it just doesn't affect my emotional experience of the scene. I think it's more like hearing traffic noise instead of music, like it's there but it doesn't affect anything. I didn't realize music is used in propaganda, that's interesting!
@@MMAneuver That might actually be a good idea! I don't like the idea of doing drugs, but that might be worth a try some day!
@ZyroZoro Music has been used as a tool to propagandise to evoke emotional responses to help sell ideas throughout history in many capacities, from selling people on fighting wars to buying sneakers. Here's an article if you want to read more about it: (I tried posting the link to it, but it would not post) Propaganda with feeling - music as an instrument of social purpose Scientists study the emotions triggered by music through the ages
In the middle of my life I found myself in a dark wood and knew that I couldn’t bring myself to pray. Instead I said “I can’t say ‘Thy will be done’ and mean it in my heart. But I can make my mouth say the words ‘Thy will be done’. That was 40 years ago and I slowly learned. That was quite a harmonica story Eric and a wonderful music lesson. Godspeed.
That sounds like the opening of Dante's Inferno!
I am a Christian, Jesus walked, taught, was crucified as the true Passover Lamb, a sacrifice for the sins of those who put faith in Him, them raised Himself on the third day to prove He was who He claimed to be, God incarnate. I loved this conversation. Though I mourn for those who struggle to find faith, God is at work and it's fascinating to watch. Great conversation.
your best clip i have seen to date
Eric is the most bizarre mix of great teacher / meaning maker / story teller and b*tshit crazy. This clip is the former.
Indeed. I think he's one of the greatest propagandists of today.
Batshit crazy is them being blissfully ignorant of the world, and thinking that the things he talks about ''crazy''
No. It’s the latter.
If some people think that being cynical and arrogant makes them appear intelligent, that's ok. People who actually are intelligent have no problem spotting them.
Chris, they just had their last Latin mass at the cathedral in downtown Austin. I’m so sorry you missed it. It’s no longer allowed😢it’s called the Triditen mass
Brilliant! And thank you for not editing out the silent pauses!
As a Catholic, I’ve learned that you are always going to have moments of questioning why you are praying. Questions emerge about your prayer not seeming to elicit an answer. I’ve come to believe that we are not necessarily going to know the effects of our prayers. Through our obedience despite not knowing what an answer would look like, we could very well be preventing a complete catastrophe. This is why it is not disingenuous to pray, even if you have doubts.
If we view religion as something created by us to serve an important function, perhaps like a 'technology' one might be better able to see it more as a recourse, aide, guide, or manual, in understanding our actual reality and living at peace in the mixed up world. People seem strangely hung up on the scientific or cosmic fidelity of the texts, even though there are different ancient texts all over the world that basically sing the same song.
Lmao only sane person in this comment section 👍. People that believe are somehow really caught up in proving their own texts as true opposed to other texts. Even though some are older than theirs 😂
The texts are divisive. Each has its own people preferred above all others. They have communities where others not of them are excluded and unwelcome.
To me, thats the best way I see it. We have an entire system of beliefs and interactions all set, and all ready to go. Its a common code book of rules for a community or group we all draw on all the time. It also saves time that we don't have to start from square 1 every time we talk. Look at the polar opposite - pronoun people. You can't guess what their reactions or pronouns are this day or the next. There's no stability and life is already unstable.
I think we took the bible TOO literal. We assume they were too simple minded to use metaphors and even if it did all literally happen, think about how many people were alive then vs now. I believe there’s too many people born without intent to be able to get on the frequency where God IS able to communicate and be more direct.
God is supposed to be omnipotent and omnipresent. Why then, would someone need to get on a certain “frequency” to communicate?
@@colinb8332 Think of it as raising kids. If you gave your children everything they needed to be great, yet they choose to consume negativity, would you waste your time trying to baby them to do better? He’s not a genie in a bottle. And isn’t he also fighting evil? It’s kind of selfish to expect him to make the world a better place when it’s literally OUR job since we’re the ones in the actual “experiment”.
@@colinb8332 I think the omnipresent/omnipotent is misunderstood. He could bless you everyday but that doesn’t mean you won’t mess it up and be right where you started. Honestly, it would be no point of living if God is just supposed to step in and fix everything.
Lol
My perspective is that the bible was written by humans. Humans make mistakes. Humans CAN'T know what God wants. How are humans going to tell humans how to worship God when there's no possible way for humans to know God's plan?
Chris is a wonderful example of a person who is willing to listen, who is open to learning about people and their perspectives, who exercises a genuine curiosity in what matters to others. I applaud Chris and his excellent long form interviews. I think social media benefits immensely from this sterling example of dispassionate and respectful discourse. I’m just a poor boy in the sticks of East Texas. For what it’s worth, very well done, Chris! A hearty and sincere well done.
I am glad to see that you are willing to have to a discussion about belief. Many of us in your audience do believe in something greater than ourselves. We only want what is best for YOU!
This video doesn't come near an answer to the question in the title. ?
Yea often happens with podcast clips, cause the question asked can sometimes lead to a totally different discussion. Not sure if a lot of them care the questions not answered though.
Going to a Latin Mass is a soul thing, not an intellect thing. That's why it has great power. That's that!
I would say it’s both. I pray I don’t have my local one yanked away. We haven’t had a bishop since Trad Cust.
The Catholic mass itself is supposed to be a soul thing, not "school for Catholics". If TLM furthers that then more power.
Great interview, gonna watch the full episode
The most beautiful religious music that was ever written was of course by Johann Sebastian Bach: Listen to May the Sheep Safely Graze, played by Khatia Buniatishvili Listen to Mattheus Passion Listen to mass solemnis of Mozart
Wow. Such unexpected words from Eric, and cool depth from the both of them on belief. Glad to know Eric has this understanding even if he doesn’t “believe” per se. Praying for both men 🙏🏼🙏🏼 Seek and you will find.
Eric is a deep spirit. True religion is the radical coming to terms with ultimate reality, and reality is inescapable, whether we refuse to orient ourselves towards it or not.
What's reality in your book?
As a musician of 20 years, I admire this man’s lack of self-consciousness while “playing” the guitar and “singing.”
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Chris, please spend some time exploring the music of John Rutter. All Things Bright and Beautiful is one of my favorites.
Eric is exceptionally intelligent and interesting person! I do not agree with all that he says but nevertheless what an extraordinary mind.
He can’t play the guitar. Proceeds to play guitar.
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5:50 "Faith is a gift that I have yet to be given" That quote is an example of limp and passive language. If Chris, or anybody wants faith you have to earn it and have it tested over a lifetime. It does not fall on your head, or magically appear in your heart. My faith is a journey that requires effort from me. I have a better quote from Christ. "Seek and ye shall find."
Was raised a mainstream protestant Christian but took it to a new level as an adult and studied apologetics and theology. I found myself trying everyday to salvage a belief that was fading more as I delved into the studies. Now, I am no longer a believer. Left the faith 20 years ago. I don't consider myself an atheist because for many, that is just another religion. I am a human not an atheist or some other philosophical view.
Eric is interesting and you can't hate him, hence he is a great distant person!
Eric is a Rockstar as well. Talk about multi skilled. 😮
Crossroads cover. After many years, you have just won me over Eric.
Love hearing you both discuss these big questions!
In Judaism, there are four levels of interpretation. Only the first is literal. In that sense, people are only aware of 25% of what is being said, at best. Half of the Christian bible is Hebrew scripture and the other half is built upon that. It stands to reason that we should consider what those people know about these scriptures.
There's a lot more than 4 layers, but yes pshat is just one of them. It's not a bad thing! But there's a lot else too.
@@urbanarmory There is more than PaRDeS? Do you mean on a personal level?
@@phillipadams4691 depends on who you go to and how you slice it. For example, chassidus also contains the "sod of sod", in Zohar, as another level. PaRDeS is the best starting point, but especially when you start getting into mysticism it continues to expand.
@@urbanarmory I'm not Jewish but I am fascinated by the religion and culture. I have studied some of the mysticism and I was blown away by what I got from it. I rarely talk with anyone who has a decent grasp on Kabbala and Etz Chaim. I recommend videos from Rabbi Akiva Tatz, he is brilliant.
Dear Heavenly Father. Thank you for these two men within your Kingdom. Bless them. Guide them. Keep their Spirits filled in Faith and Worship! Amen. 🙏🏽
Such a great clip! Lots to meditate on, yah? Faith is a gift that can either be nurtured or squashed. There is also an act of faith where the conscious will to believe precedes the gift.
Praise / Christian songs that moves me Thrive, Blessings, Goodness of God, 10,000 Reasons, Who Am I and a lot more . Songs of Gary Valenciano's songs like The Warrior is a Child, Take me out of the Dark also moved me . Every songs that lift me up I listen. Agreed 💯 prayers and my chosen Bible verses are a very powerful I can attest to that .
This video is one of my prayers being answered. From a deep, deep hollowed void in my soul this came as an answered.
Eric Weinstein, I greatly appreciate your lens. Secular Buddhist here. Check out how many references to the pineal gland you'll find in the bible. Hindus and Buddhists have been meditating on this gland for thousands of years. No longer much interested in explaining myself....we're all in our heads to damned much. Appreciate you and thanks for the killer content!
If you keep on meditating you'll stop being a "secular" Buddhist.
@@StimParavane 😁I hear you! I've been sitting for 25 years...perhaps I hold a different view of secularism.
Regarding being a "cultural Christian": I go to a "Bible Church". When they read a passage from the Bible, I realize that the commentary that follows from the preacher often belies the words in the Scripture. This supports a notion I read about several decades ago; that in the US we have a "civil religion". This also supports - and is supported by - the saying that "American was settled with God, guns, and guts". The US is unlike most other western nations in many ways, but the idea of "God, guns, and guts" is certainly one of the greatest of them. If you really study the Bible and try to understand the original words (I study Greek and Hebrew a little), you again find that what is written can certainly be interpreted in many ways and not always in the way that the given English translation conveys. In the US, there are many different denominations but, we all tend to focus on Jesus, rather than the "worship of the God of Israel"; we use the Old Testament when a passage suits us and ignore them when it does not; we accept readily the idea that "it's OK to believe in God, but don't take it too far" (Americans have never really shied away from killing other humans, irrespective of Jesus' turn the other cheek); we look to Christmas as the big religious holiday, rather than Easter, the essential day/week in Christianity, etc. This all, in my mind, constitutes part of the the "American civil religion". The US' physical isolation from the rest of the west - we influence Canada, not the other way around - means that we are many, many decades slower to adopt Europe's secularism. The vast expanse of the US also slows this process. So, America's "civil religion", a relic of the past, but a relic that was a necessary part of settling a vast wilderness, remains rather strong today. I am not smart enough to know what exactly God wants of me/us, but I try to understand. I am just not sure that American's civil religion is the exact right formula.
What I've noticed is that people today would rather look into the religion of "self" than accept that there is a God that exists outside of space and time. Nowadays, it's all about me, myself and I and how I manifest my own destiny. As a Christian we are taught that we are all born with this need to be close to God. The hymn There is a Longing is absolutely perfect in describing that inner need we gave for God. There is a longing in our hearts, o Lord for you to reveal yourself to us There is a longing in our hearts for love we only find in you, our God There is a longing in our hearts, o Lord for you to reveal yourself to us There is a longing in our hearts for love we only find in you, our God For justice, for freedom, for mercy, hear our prayer In sorrow, in grief, be near, hear our prayer, o God There is a longing in our hearts, o Lord for you to reveal yourself to us There is a longing in our hearts for love we only find in you, our God For wisdom, for courage, for comfort, hear our prayer In weakness, in fear, be near, hear our prayer, o God There is a longing in our hearts, o Lord for you to reveal yourself to us There is a longing in our hearts for love we only find in you, our God Lord, save us, take pity, light in our darkness We call you (we call you) we wait (we wait) Be near, hear our prayer, o God There is a longing in our hearts, o Lord for you to reveal yourself to us There is a longing in our hearts for love we only find in you, our God
I love you, Eric.❤
Religion is a human response to the existential crisis of the long nap.
Only to a narcissist. Christianity isn't about being saved in death, but the enlightening of being saved in life, not to be better than others, but to be better than we would otherwise be.
@@honestlyforreal6304Christianity is based on Judaism. Judaism is roughly 3,000-3,200 years old. I’m sure your ancestors at that time were somewhere in central Europe. Where do you think they went when they died?
No. It is the result of bad explanations and ideas formed in an attempt to understand the world we live in.
That's exactly what Oswald Spengler said civilization is.
@Philognosis1 That sounds like someone expressing ignorance, while attempting to express wisdom in something they haven't bothered to learn themselves
We need to be open to the mystery and what is possible by experiencing its elements.
The thing about Dawkins lamenting the decline of the cultural aspects of Christianity yet being happy about the declining number of Christians is that he seems to expect one can cut the flower from the plant and expect it to live forever. Being seperate from the roots will guarantee its death. It is somewhat ironic that Dawkins has the irrational belief that you can keep the flower alive after it has been removed from its parent plant.
What a mature intellect Eric Weinstein is.
Both the Weinstein brothers are great. Both are very smart guys who are also wise. Boy is that rare these days!!!
Meditation and prayer are not mutually exclusive. In Catholicism and Eastern Orthodox Christianity there are forms of meditative prayer going back who knows how far. I think the difference is in the purpose (the end goal) - some might meditate just to feel calmer or to improve their physical health. A lot of Indian guru -type meditation aims at enlightenment, and while I don't know if this enlightenment is a clearly defined thing, it sometimes seems to be a quest for superior mental powers, or perhaps even to make yourself a god. In that case the end goal would be self-centred. Christian meditation would qualify as prayer if the pray-er is seeking to conform his will to God's will, to empty himself to become more available to God, to simply bask in God's love. God-centred/Christ-centred.
"Beloved father, my wordless chants of yearning for Thee will sing in cadence with my heartthrobs. I shall feel Thy presence in all hearts. I shall watch Thy hands working in the law of gravitation and in all other natural forces. In the tread of all living creatures I shall hear Thy footsteps. " Paramahansa Yogananda
I spent my first two decades as an antitheist, and two months ago I was baptised. On rare occasion a man does lose his atheism...
there are no atheists. there are ppl who refuse to acknowledge the presence of The Consciousness. no more, no less. there isnt a problem with that refusal, it is just a limited perception of reality. to each its own.
@@pmnfernando I won't lie, your response confuses me slightly. By "the Consciousness", do you mean God? If so, surely it is appropriate to call those who don't believe in him atheists?
yes, i meant God. i refrain from using the word because it has become such a loaded one. i didnt say it is not appropriated to call atheists to those who dont believe in God. I simply stated that, in reality, there is no such thing as atheists. There are only people who refuse to accept its existence. OTOH - and maybe i will further complicate things here - i will say: people only need to believe in things they havent fully Realized. hence why i dont "need" to believe in God. why? because i know it to be real. @@redeemed_sigma
Not just “ the Bible…”It really a shame - a tragedy really, nearly everyone presumes Judaism as a whole, The Original Testament, It’s Original Holy Language - another rabbit hole of connections, Judaism’s other holy scriptures : Talmud, mysticism, 3500 years of intense history and scholarship , wisdom is flyover country.
One person's mass psychosis is another person's normalcy What's the difference between a mass psychosis and a cult. Or religion?
Chris mentions meditation, chanting and singing, playing instruments is also part of that culture. Kirtan!
This is great I love this so much What a great discussion 😊 Well done guys Really really amazing work Bless you all
Great talk chaps. I'm a working-class 'Sunderland' lad and I went from being a Sunday school 'accepter', to becoming an atheist, then onto being a non-believing agnostic, eventually to the point of 'knowing that I don't know a fecking jot'. This led to the realisation that if I wanted this 'veil of ignorance' to be understood, then I needed to respond in some way, otherwise, I was just ignoring, or obfuscating my response to life. Once the realisation of my ultimate ignorance was integrated with the universal majesty and mystery of 'what is' (not what we believe about what is) then Prayer became an outpouring of my desire to 'communicate' with this source of all intelligence and wonder (including the oneness of humanity and not its apparent separation) - Not always in words, sometimes in melody, other times through silence. But if I were to give it a name, then 'Faith' is as good a word as any.
Yeah faith, another way of saying "just accept what I tell you and don't question it".
Faith is so often born of humility, and there is no humility without humiliation.
Fundamentally untrue. A problem with most languages, also English.
Faith seems to me in fact a very extreme form of arrogance and hubris, you just assume that what you believe must be true "because.", regardless of actual evidence for it.
are you asking me to humiliate you for believing in fantasy-nonsense as a grown adult? Blindly believing a book with talking trees, talking animals, and mythical global flooding?
Having a belief (in the validity of some claim to truth/reality) means that you have been convinced of that claim. In reality, there is no evidence to justify ‘religious belief’, but there is immense pressure for people to subscribe to the orthodoxy and to claim ‘belief’. Sadly, this reality, combined with the right to not have a ‘deeply held belief’ criticised, has lead down a slippery slope to where a highly obnoxious ‘religious belief’ like Islam has been permitted to infect the world.
Thats why it's called "faith". There is no standard, "concrete" way of verifying.
@@chickenfishhybrid44 faith, gullibility, call it what you want, the point is it leads down a slippery slope to where a load of hogwash is deemed to be something that should be subscribed to
There are plenty of beliefs that almost everyone assumes which have no public empirical evidence supporting them. There's no empirical evidence for any semblance of free agency, rationality, love, etc. All those high and lofty concepts/experiences are impossible assuming a strictly materialist ontology. Every whole could be reduced to its parts. Every experience, and every "rational" thought could be reduced to simple biochemical processes. If you want to throw out religion, fine, but also throw out any experience that doesn't come with public empirical experience to justify that it is what you think it is.
@@bumpygumpson true, but you’re missing the point. ‘Religion’ has been given a special licence to dictate people’s behaviour with no consequence
@@ivormectin515 That's a big claim and I don't really have a response to it. In my personal experience growing up in a irreligious part of the US, there seemed to be a special derision assigned to religious experience among the 'invisible' experiences.
When the situation becomes non-standard, the intellectual curiosity gurglers to the top. Well played, guys!
Looking forward to Eric's up coming album and tour.
I'm a musician here, and I'm not sure I get the point about the descending scale. Just because a line from Joy to the World was composed with that sequence of notes doesn't say anything one way or another about the song nor of religion nor of spirituality. He goes on to talk about deeply moving religious music, but pieces that come to mind are things like Mozart's Requiem and Bach's works which do not have any direct use of any kind of scale
I was wondering about the same thing. I've felt more moved by a single David Gilmour guitar solo than by all Gospel music combined. Joy To The World is just a tune that uses the major scale, like so many tunes.
I think Eric may have been trying to make the point about the symbolism of the descending scale being used in the song celebrating the descent of God into the flesh to be born as Christ
@@inviktys3971 Well that would then only be relevant to christians. Many non-christians use the scale for many other purposes.
Prayer is incredibly powerful.
Placebos work
@@mndflctznThere may be no way to tell if prayer is a placebo or real because if someone prays to God for a strengthened spirit ether way that person’s neurology will change and since we wouldn’t be able to tell the difference because ether God invisibly strengthen’s their spirit thus they experience a neurological change or they have a placebo effect and then have a neurological change.
I'm a Baha'i. We believe in the harmony between science and religion. The head and heart are united.
A brilliant scientist, who himself is an Atheist, saying the world needs more prayer. Beautiful. And yes, Eric, Vatican II was a big mistake. Attending a Latin Mass, by Benedictine Monks no less, was a tremendously wonderful experience. Every Christian, especially Catholics, would do well to have just one such experience.
15:39 - My dawgs, I can sum this video nice and tight: Religions are collections of wisdom. Wisdom is valuable like knowledge. You don’t have to believe in religions to acquire their wisdoms. Don’t pick 1, learn from them all. They’re probably all the same G anyway.
God hasn’t been really nice to all religions though.
Thank you! This is how I do it already. This comment section is going nuts with religious people.
@@rosezingleman5007 maybe, G is damned to heaven and can not interfere with your free-will.
@@Bjorn_R did I say heaven? I meant the 11th dimension…
I don't know about that...Islam is pretty vile
Glad you could join us in worship today Chris, thanks for adding this song and sermon on a Sunday : )
I really don't get Eric's point. Traditional religion is/was popular, so of course it is woven into so many aspects of our culture. But there's nothing magical about it. The fact is, life has inherent meaning, apart from traditional religion, and we can and should celebrate and explore that meaning through art, music, philosophy, and community.