In this Rainbow Six Siege video, we explore the new Operation Deep Freeze and the changes comign with the season, in particular the Playlist Changes to Standard and Quick Match, it's not looking good people.
Sadly no Solis nerf or playlist changes :(
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New Video coming later this week, so see this as a bonus video! If you agree with the video, please, do make your voices heard! Let Ubisoft know about their mistake! EDIT: I'm aware of the editing mistake, trimming it on YT Editor but might take some time for changes to take into account!
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okay now to be fair as some one that played this game for like 2300+ hours - i was alright with less time in the operator menu - not alright with the setup and drone time. I highly disagree on the quick match map pool restriction - literally stopped playing because of that - or if we played we went into sweat mode ranked which doesn't fit the after work aura of talking maybe cracking a cold one or two whilst taking to your friends on ts or discord having some side thing to do. Next - the pre-reinforced - well what ever like in quick match no one really cared about set ups - in unrankend it makes no sense. Last - the match-up is just utterly broken - you have coppers and champions in one match - and basically every round if you are like mid level of skill (gold, plat) you either wonder if your lobby has griefers or hackers - even though they might just be on that skill level ( well no mostly its wall hacks). Anyway - give me back a matchmaking that does not consider it important to have at least 1 dia + player in the lobby and for god sake don't match up the team with "high win rate on def or High win rate on attack" (we did a testing of about 50 matches + to kinda get to that conclusion the matchmaking does match you up with those teams. anyway imma just wait until "the finals" comes out and look at games like cs in the meantime- or siege actually manages to bring back old Quickmatch.
Kini, you have some editing leftovers in the end.
Who tf are YOU to express your opinions? You're a no-one
Kini little tip for other games to try with friends:deep rock galactic to have some fun with a stupid game, castle crashers for the same thing but castle crashers has a better gameplay
TDM meta is killing my love for the game too, champ ranked is just as bad if not worse. My boomer ass thinks ubisoft is catering to the small attention span of the next generation to keep them engaged. I just can't comprehend why else they're straying from the one thing that makes this game stand apart from every other fps.
The creator "jinxy" or whatever is exactly that. Short attention span new generation toxic garbage. He played R6 so fast and aggressive he's most definitely driving some of the base and maybe Devs to think faster is the way to go. While he's likely not to blame his fans absolutely perpetuate his behavior and playstyle
I don't even think the new generation is to blame; vine has existed and died before siege was even a thing, short form content has existed, i think this is more of a "hey those kids like the fast-paced stuff, right?" They're trying to form the game into something it could never be: appealing to a wide audience. It's a strategic shooter, that's simply not a formula for average joe gamers, and that's fine. Rts's aren't either, but i guess they still don't realize that "shooter" isn't a genre, it's a gameplay feature, with massively different games around it. One shooter can't just be turned into another, just how you can't turn any platformer into another.
@@UWU-x Probably, yeah. I'm not gonna act like he "revived" siege cuz it's not like it was ever really dying, but right when he started taking off a lot of people started picking the game back up, so I definitely think that he's a factor, just not sure how big.
Yeah if I want to play TDM, I'd play another game
I couldn’t agree more maciejay
The game is turning into COD. Defenders all roam and make no effort to defend the objectives, and attackers all race into site as fast as possible. It's becoming ridiculously common to join a game now where noone drones, noone uses their gadgets if they're not for fast-breaching reenforced doors, and 3-4 attackers all die in the first 30 seconds.
Had like 3 of these types of games on sunday, it's just sad ...
I will go one further. When you do actually play the game the way it should be played…..the rando’s become toxic very quickly
Play Kapkan = profit
This game is CoD for a long time already Oh, wait, you can break walls here, definitely not CoD now
why would they encourage rushing but slow down shields? it seems like the devs are split
I am glad that someone like you are addressing these issues, Bikini. I can't begin to imagine how frustrating it must be for veteran players of the game. Even as a new player (started at the end of Fenrir's season) I can easily tell that these changes are abysmal. I am trying to learn the game in a safe environment by playing QM, but all I get is punished whenever I attempt to play slow and methodical by the TDM and rush meta. It's so infuriating whenever I look up videos on sight set ups and beginner's tips and then realize, "oh there's a FUCKING WALL THERE ALREADY. THANKS UBI." There is no strategy whatsoever and it is mind numbingly boring.
I hear you. Honestly I combat this by doing my setups as fast as possible. Then heading to the most random, opposite side of the map. We call it the Sex Panther because 60% of the time the idiots will rush in because they think no one is there and now it’s 5v3 and you can play like you should be able to play.
Game was at its peak on its release, when there was like what 6-10 operator per side ?
Man its fcing sad what they do... they even delete new players mode... my main was stolen UBI dont give a shit they jsut spam me like a bots send recovery emails to thiefs mail bcs ofc he change it to his mail -_- and when i start from scratch lvl 0 acc i just got demolised by hight ranks and even cheaters.... more and more cheaters... in my team in enemy team like 3 times in like 5 days ?... its fcing sad...
You basically need to play Standard under the tactical screen but it's still like bruh, just make QM not have pre-setups because it ruins the strategy and slower-paced gameplay that made the game so awesome in the first place
This has also made ranked worse thanks to their changes to the unranked(standard) playlist. Unless the practice AI start learning how to play like Pros there is nothing to really practice strategic gameplay outside of ranked anymore.
Just practice in ranked, but sure, I guess some people might feel (overly?) invested in their rank and W/L and statistics, instead of seeing all matches as learning experiences.
@@Kopalex23 thats kinda my point. Its hard enough to practice it in ranked with those kinds of people on either side of the lobby
I don't know what happened to ranked but every other game turns out 4-1, no matter if I'm winning or losing.
@@jetsflyingoffatrain4338 yeah the skill based matchmaking is kinda laughably bad
Kini I’ve been here a long time watching you play siege and other side contents you’ve uploaded in the past and I can confidently say that if you do decide to ditch siege I’m not going anywhere Your humor and content style is unmatched to others I’ve seen and watching you have fun has been the highlights I look forwards to See you 🔜
Deep freeze wee After they added “pre setup” and the playlist thing I quit, it’s just so annoying
I just recently bought the game too, what a waste of money...
@@recepyigitbas9411 the game itself is amazing, you just need to learn the maps so its less confusing
the removal of unranked and t-hunt, and the strange balance decisions are making me drop the game too
Bro, I hate the fact that the pre setups can literally ruin setups you might want to try because of the pre-placed reinforcements. I don't understand why they haven't got a mechanic to remove pre-placed reinforcements so you can 'fix' the setup. That would already be a big improvement in the wake of their destruction of r6's fundamentals. It would not be perfect, but we are just getting the worst of the worst with what we got now.
@@HorizontalBob28 they removed t-hunt???? Wtf why?
after the "quick match" change its so much rare to witness someone plant, its just TDM every single round
Pick smoke ops and plant it yourself, people just rush the defuser and it’s super effective! 😊
That’s why I tend to pick ops that can get the plants down themselves. I like rush planting anyway.
Who do you like to solo rush plant as? @@deshawnmarquist
@@mikebasketball11Ying is a very solid option
the thing i hate the most in quick match is the second round , if you wanna swap operator and maybe change your loadout , you'd better do it at the speed of sound cause with the really low timer (at least on playstation 4) you're more than likely not gonna be able to swap or do everything you need/want to do
I did play QM 2 just because I didnt really have a choice. I always played casual, as I just do not like long games and instead play more loose, experiment and have fun in more games on more maps. However what they did is just so horrendous I can hardly describe it. I stopped playing completely because of this, because I either have to play an insanely shitty gamemode, or play one that is still shitty, but also full of insane tryhards I cannot really do anything against if I want to have some fun. Hope siege changes, otherwise they wont see me for a long time.
Sbmm is horrific nowadays. All we play against is sweats in every single mode. Casual might even be the sweatiest mode available. The matchmaking takes forever and you know they’re trying to find some goblins to put you up against. But then you go on an alt account and you find matches within 10 seconds like the good ole days hmmmmm makes you think.
@@NewmancrewI came back for a little while. Every single game using r6 tracker, we never played a team worse or equal to our rank level, even up into platinum. Kinda weird
I always played casual too. I just gave up after changes. The last time I login was for halloween event and even so barely played the event. Just felt so crappy to know about these uncall changes.
"sweats" just say you're bad lol. @@Newmancrew
Same here. Casual was where I hung out. I'm homeless in Siege right now. Idiot decision makers at Ubisoft.
This is one of the main issues I have with the recent seasons, Ubi doesn't like the Run&Gun meta, thats why they reworked Frag Grenades and have changed loadouts to get rid of it, meanwhile they made an operator who could only place her trap on the ground weaker by allowing people to get right back up from it instead of reinforcing the fact that they should have the muscle memory to shoot below them or at least drone out the traps. I HEAVILY miss when I played on Xbox One cause I played during the height of the Information meta, it was genuinely a blast having to plan out smart ways of attack with the boys because if you ran in like an idiot you would lose any gunfight you enter. And then theres the quickmatch preplaced reinforcements, I'm really tired of having to play standard constantly, sometimes I want a game that doesn't take too long, but I can't because all of my friends including me want to be able to decide for ourselves where our reinforcement placement goes. Hell we have had an issue in Quickmatch where if one of my buddies crashes he is banned from the playlist for an hour without him having a chance to reconnect (he crashes because he lives on a mountain in poland so sometimes his internet isn't the greatest) I just want a match where I can leave and go if needed, or my teammates get replaced when one of them rage quits, all while being able to plan and decide for myself. I genuinely miss the old quickmatch. Also sorry for a bit of a rant, didn't realize how much I typed until I finished it up. TLDR: I hate the new changes and so do my amigo's.
I have to agree with you. Extra, when I see another patch note that is hard to read, because most of the changes are garbage.
That frost "rework" wasnt even a rework, that was a murder. She is genuinely the worse op in the game rn Her smg has worse stats then cavs and her gadget might aswell not even be placed since those "debuffs" don't do anything impactful to game play at all. The worst one is the 20% speed debuf, but even then that's nothing Her gadget is bloody huge and super easy to drone out and prefire.
I remember when bikini took a break from r6 in parabellum, at that time siege was going a really bad time with cheaters and toxicity, and hen bikini announced he was leaving for a while it felt like an alert to Ubisoft, same thing now with these changes, it doesnt feel like the best of siege.
the biggest issue i have with this game is the inconsistency of the sounds, mainly footsteps, it changes every season sometimes from wors to better and better to absolutely terrible. heck in the current season an enemy can run across an hallway or the room next to you and you can't hear them unless they're hugging the wall next to you or they're 5m away from you.
I understand you taking a break from siege, I too stopped playing siege after those absolutely ASS changes Thank you for being a huge voice in this community and not being afraid to call out Ubisoft
Since ive returned to seige, i don't think ive gotten a single game without someone who legit just didn't wanna play the game and actively harming the matches cause they just "Wanted to go next." ... Seige has sawed off there own legs at this point.
I have completely stopped playing siege because of the Playlist changes. The changes made it so that the only mode I ever felt like playing was ranked, because it standard had all the slightly annoying parts of ranked (being longer match times and more try hard players,) without any of the benefits such as operator and map bans, a curated map pool, or a reward for the victory in mmr. The first time i got plane on standard, I couldnt decide weather i should laugh or cry. Quick match became an absolute joke that felt like a call of duty lobby with 2 minute matches and no strategy. Ranked was the only mode that still felt like siege, but I obviously don't want to feel the need to sweat every game I play. The playlist changes have made it so that quick match is pointless, mindless and forgettable, standard is awkward, frustrating, and stuck halfway between ranked and old casual in all the worst ways, while ranked is the only mode that feels like it works, but is too demanding to play exclusively.
I play ranked exclusively, I find it fun. I don’t see it as demanding 😊 I just play a casual game if I’m not in the mood to play competitively/cognitively.
Bro could've spoken in any language but chose to speak in facts! Great video Kini hope it has a bigger change on the maps and the gamemode system and don't worry we love you not siege any game you play and upload will be enjoyable to watch hope you bring more people into your community with variety content.
Ima be honest here, the only reason why I got back into Siege was because of the content creators that made the game look very fun and enjoyable which made me return to Siege, and seeing Ubisoft feeling “confident” with these changes to quick match and standard, makes me question their decision making. I really want to enjoy the game as much as possible, but that can’t be done because of Ubisoft. Idk if I’ll ever return to Siege but until that day arrives, I’m not playing it.
Thank you for doing this, Bikini. Now I only hope Coconut, Nugget, Marley and many others jump in and be inspired by you actually speaking up. We need to let them know what they did is NOT okay -- before they ruin the game and lose us for good.
I was introduced to Siege by some friends a good few years ago, at first while I was having fun, I didn't understood it that well, quoting myself when I was asked if I liked it; "I mean, it's a shooter, you click on people's faces and delete them, so long game's somewhat balanced it's hard to not have fun". Yeah, I was mistaken back then, but given the way I play games of course I started researching and learning a lot about the game and just a few months into the game I started to learn about rotations, murder holes, holding angles, traps and ambushes, Roaming, Anchoring, etc. Over time I started to develop my own strategies, strategies that I do believe no one ever had seen and cannot exists outside the context of casual play, all those strategies were discarded the moment Ubi decided that as soon as I'll spawn this and that wall that I need soft is reinforced or has a massive hole on it when I need a small one, gone, all of my weird and fun plays get ruined before the defenders even spawn. I had quit Siege on last season, and most likely will remain that way for the foreseeable future. Kini, if you wanna quit Siege for the same reason that I have then I hope to see you around some other games delivering all the weirdness that only you can provide, your content is truly amazing and entertaining.
I took a break from siege last year in September until June this year. I haven’t missed it a bit. After that I got a bit back into it but mostly played (Un-)Ranked. QM was not bearable. Now I am a year abroad so I can’t play any video games. And I miss siege less and less, especially seeing these changes. The only hope for this game is that the actual veterans, long year players and content creators continue speaking up and even quit the game. The moment many people and very popular content creators stop playing the game and creating content with the game, R6 will either be dead for a very long time or Ubisoft actually addresses the issues with the game. I just hope Ubisoft listens to the actual part of the community that matters and have been around for multiple years and I can come back to a siege that is enjoyable. I mean come on, presets for reinforcements?! What the hell, the whole game became so popular because you could do it yourself. You even had to plan strategy since every operator had just 2 reinforcements and not a pool of 10. That was part of the basic idea… I just hope you find your own rhythm and we can still enjoy your content Kini, no matter what game
Haven't played Siege since I saw the patchnotes with the QM/Unranked changes, assuredly won't play until they revert that change and the longer that takes (if it ever happens) the less likely it is that I come back at all. And that comes from someone who had bought the year pass and is thus losing out on content I had already paid for.
Oh man I don't remember last time i actually won a game by planting the diffuser I missed old Siege
We need more people talking about this, reading the patch notes saying they are doubling down on this is very concerning… the reason I loved playing unranked was because of the banning phases (maybe not map banning) because ranked 2.0 is just garbage. Also yes idk why the community isn’t talking abt ranked 2.0 either, go back to 1.0 who tf came up with the idea of a hidden rank that resets every season???
You are so right, i was just playing on the weekend and this system just made me rage ...
@@danielszabo5113 my brain is already programmed to play around default setups and when I play quick match before friends hop on cuz standard will take too long, I’m just like wtf
Your rank resets just like in the old system, your mmr does not and your matchmaking is based on your mmr not your rank which most people still don't understand (somehow), ranked 2.0 is the main reason I came back to playing ranked, the old system was just garbage for so many reasons.
@@Gigopz ik how it works, that’s why so many ppl hate it
@@divinium33 Speak for yourself, since the new system was introduced a lot of my friends have started playing the game, the old system was the worst ranking system I have ever seen in a video game and I am glad its never coming back.
New QM is even worse because I liked playing casual for hostage and secure (because you cannnot play them outside casual). But with the new system, you don't have any reinforcements pre-setup but you still have the reduced timer... if they wanted to make it faster, they could've just went with the "operator pick faces after the first one will be reduced" ... I see it that they don't wanna steer back because of pride or some shit like that...then in year 10 they announce "NeW ChAnGeS To Qm" which will be basically old qm And until then they pour money and time in QM 2.0 that could have gotten towards other things like FIXING CAV/GLAZ ELITE (sry that I always rant about it) or improving other things ...e.g.operator portraits look so low quality lately...even the ones you have to spend real money on it like elite portraits or crossover skins...I mean compare Azami/Ace elite portraits to IQ's for example (Apparently they used to be handrawn and that's the reason they looked so good)
Ubi...you have made Kini quit seige..... you have done the impossible
They are losing the whole community they built up in the last 8 years
3:25 also remember how quick match had LONGER rounds than ranked?
The tactical aspect of Rainbow is what that game made it so special in comparison to other shoter games. i stoped playing Siege at the beginning of the TDM Meta. its heartbreaking for me, because i dont have a good reactiontime so im dogshit in games like valorant or cod, but rainbow made a spot for me. by playing trap operators or using the enviorment to my advantage to midegate my bad reactiontime. its realy sad to witness ubi destroying the unice part of rainbow that made me love the game in the first place, and it is sad to see all the content creators i`ve grown to love, quit the game and lose the love for it as well.
I wish siege would actually just listen to the community rather than think they know what's best for the game when most of them have probably never actually played it outside of testing.
I used to play only casual/quick match. Since the change I only played it twice because we were desconected from a standard game and we couldn't get back in, so we had to wait until the game was "over". Quick play is insulting to the game itself...
ngl after getting back from a 2 year hiatus, the setup feels so rigid that some defense operators feels weaker. i want the old casual back
Exactly! There’s no options, you’ll load in with 4 reinforcements left and it’s a mad scramble to get your walls up. If you had an off meta strat it’s probably impossible to get all your reinforcements up. Embarrassing! Or when they reinforce hatches like games room obj in chalet like nobody touches that hatch you open it and play above. Only coppers play that way.
@@Newmancrew even Jager's gadget feels a bit useless because there's not enough time to put them down with strategy
I started watching you about last year I believe during a trip to Quebec and since then I’ve always been excited for new uploads. I used to be really into siege awhile ago and since about 5 seasons ago I stopped playing it due to friends losing interest and myself included because of changes I didn’t think were healthy for the game. I genuinely hope you find success branching out to other content because you make my day every time you make new content.
i respect the hell out of your choices here man... sometimes games you love start going downhill and breaks are needed whether the devs or external matters are to blame for the issues. Ive had my own clashes with siege mainly with my own personal issues and the devs killing off my favorite parts of the game and I hope siege turns everything around cause I love watching your content and you inspired me to be a tride and true chanka player (to my teammates dismay lol) thank you for making great content and i Hope that siege fixes itself so that you can enjoy the game again. nobody wants your channel to burnout and we all here for ya mate. love from canada Lets hope ubi nerfs solis soon :)
@thesolargamer9751 Ubi isn't just "dropping the ball" when it comes to siege, it seems they are trying to kill off what is left of "For Honor" as well. I don't know why, butI don't think its due to lack of support from the fans. My best guess its because most of their resources are put into whaling. Pandering to their biggest consumer who'd play/pay it no matter what changed. I'm not saying this to be rude to bikini, but those whales tends to be content creators. I think Bikini knows that he holds some leverage compared to the regular player, so maybe the sales department will do something if they see some of their biggest "buisness partners" leave and never look back untill proper change is made. Tho it's a bit odd that even we who just like games has to now form a union of sorts, rallying under a creator we like, just to make sure games keeps up with basic "working conditions". We are paying for a service, some demands needs to be met and kept after all. And ubi hasn't been doing that, altering their sold products to become worse after the sale is done seems shady at best, illegal at worst... but I'm no legal expert.
Dev reverting change challenge LEVEL: IMPOSSIBLE
I have been playing R6 for 6-7 years now, leaving and coming back for a couple of seasons, but the recent and planned changes (such as the removal of T-hunt, and the dumbed down version of Quck match) kinda make feel heartbroken for the game i used to love ... I find the removal of the reinforcing element of the game just plain idiotic, as it's considered to be the foundation of the whole game, and the first thing you have to learn as a new player ... About T-hunt .... I have more then 500 hours in T-hunt, some of this time was with friends, and some with my father as i was able to convince him to join me for this game mode, he didn't have the time to learn the PvP elements of the game and this was the only place we could play together ... These were probably my favourite memories about Siege. And to see it all go away in favour of an incomplete Ai playlist makes my blood boil, and lose hope in Ubisoft
Love how kini is still using the Kixstar charm
2:35 for a better understanding Ubi pretty much yeeted years of work out the window. And pick op time gets Short after the first round and attack knows where the objective is making it more of an cod snd then an actual strategy game
Love seeing a game I played religiously from release until early year 5 completely lose touch with what made siege, siege.
When I got back into siege after a years hiatus a month ago, that QM change blew my mind. With a 15 second reduced drone phase you are only saving at most 75 seconds per match, and there are still the problems with the insane load times when someone has a slow computer or if someone leaves during the pick phase and then another person joins. Not to mention the bug where if you don’t select your operator it’ll switch your load out for you, giving you 10 seconds to click on your op or you’re screwed for that round if you’re on defense. Also the pre placed reinforcements takes away one of the most vital elements of siege which is unique to the game.And with some operators like castle it is almost impossible to make a whole castle set up in 30 seconds while creating rotates and placing your utility down. The most bizarre thing about this is that there is already a tdm and ffa game mode, so why do they need to mess with QM so much. People are drawn to the game of siege for its unique game play loop and the various operators, and map destructibility. So when new players can only play this game mode, it basically just tells them that they should not reinforce not place gadgets down and not drone since they already know where to attack.
Thanks for making this video kini. I had got burnt out from siege and came back about a week ago and everything felt off but couldn't quite place my finger on it. Should've guessed ubi had no idea what they were doing. At least I still have BOSG ACOG. good luck on future videos I'll be sure to keep an eye out for them
Locking toxic people to a game mode until they get their rep back up is a good idea but they shouldn't use qp as that prison. Make them do the training modes on solo to serve their sentences.
My issue with this seasons change to standard they managed to make standard even worse than it was. Since unranked only needed to be changed to have the non ranked maps in it as well. If your looking to try out a game that has a similar flavor to seige try hideous destructor. It supports coop. Its doom as a tactical shooter.
YES! The fun of Quick Match isn’t that the rounds are quicker it’s that there’s no time commitment.
What's worse? I encountered players mainly in groups. going rush tactics because they know most of the time, they are facing newbies and it works. There is no time to prepare a rush tactic in 30 secs in quick match 2.0. It happened to me most of the time and these players will teabagged and type ez or noob as they won. Standard is worse, I encountered players just running out of the bomb site and just hide in different spots just to look for kills which cost us the match and mostly people just don't know what to do and take their sweet ass time to do it.
Thank you very much for your commitment to the game despite its big problems!
I agree. I never had this less fun in a season before, because of the changes. I'm not really competitive, so I preferred quick Match. I also like Secure much more than Bomb. When they said they wanna rework Quick Match, I had hopes and worries. I hoped they would do something against the people who would always leave. For me it was really frustrating to always join a match which was already 0:2 and always the bad rounds (the reason the people before me left). I would've liked some kind of quickmatch with short abandoned penelties. For me It would be great if they would add every Map to Standard (except for Tower and Stadium) and add Secure. For the people who want unranked back. They could just add that back. One more mode wouldn't be that bad, everyone would be satisfied. The people who like Ranked would have Ranked and Unranked, the people who prefer Quickmatch would have a nice time without missing a teammate or joining a ongoing game. And Ubisoft would have their toxic, full of quitting confidence Mode.
i think the funniest part of the playlist changes is that quickplay is gated until a new player is level 10, somehow the longer standard games are more newbie friendly somehow?
What I used to like about Quick Match was that you’d get to play a large variety of maps in one night (as QM matches are often half the time of ranked. If not quicker). But now it often takes weeks between seeing some maps
I seriously hate the Casual changes. I pracitce my basic set ups in casual, then in Unranked and finally Ranked. With the shorter round times in Casual it's just become Team Deathmatch and I never get new games I get games in progress. (Xbox player btw)
Ubisoft doesn’t listen… ever
I miss the old Siege. I hate how defending is just a side objective. Putting up metal walls or traps is just a minor inconvenience for attackers because most characters can just destroy anything in their way with no drawbacks. I miss the tension and slow pace of the game. Half the fun came from out thinking your opponent. Now, it all comes down to who has the better aim.
They have been doing this since year 4. From what I can see, siege being the only game as a service is a major revenue generator for ubisoft at the moment and they are just getting greedier. This whole fast paced meta is just them trying to eat up COD's audience giving them another game to try. The balancing had been questionable since year 4 ruining a lot of ops solely based on ban rates which are clearly being abused for easy wins like thatcher on attack. Last but not the least, this has been damaging the game since the very beginning - Esports pros go waaaah
Totally agree! Casual is mostly unplayable now and lost the sense of Siege.
They don't understand that changing Quick Match made Ranked Players also even more lazier than before
One thing from this change is that I'm playing a lot more ranked because of how bad qp is. Once, I got suspended from ranked because my computer kept blue screening. The first game of qp I had after that, I ran out to try and reinforce a hatch that was already reinforced, ran back in, and got tked by my teammate who instantly left.
I play secure area and it's a nightmare. you're telling me as a kapkan main, in 26 seconds (yes because it takes a few seconds to actually start moving) I have to put on a rook armor, reinforce a couple of walls my teammates forgot (who are ironically trusted by rook) AND place 5 kapkans?
I dislike the changes to a certain degree. I did like the ability to set up site as a defender and make those choices but with a casual/ quick match pool of players a good number of times 2-3 of my teammates would not do anything in prep, forcing me to do it all. That meant even if they were bringing utility operators ( bandit, mute, kaid, frost, etc.) and I came to build a roam setup I couldn’t do that because the site defenses would be as strong as a wet piece of paper if I didn’t. But with such limited maps and luck of the draw reinforcement choices this mode can be a headache to deal with. Also the pre-done reinforcements don’t apply to hostage or secure area so you have less time to do more. So I propose current “quick play” becomes new casual and we bring back the old style for quick match. It offers the possibility to play a really low stress game in casual if you just want to play with some of the mechanics you enjoy but not go all out strategy, the mode you might play to warm up or if you pulled overtime at work or just want to complete some battle pass challenges. Then a step up shorter matches that let you test out creative ideas. Then un-ranked get more serious op bans then finally ranked. Full spectrum of however you want to play. On a bad day I’m happy that reinforcements are up and I don’t have to worry if my rando teammates will do stuff. But on my best days wanting old casual is constantly there especially with the tiny map pool.
I'll be honest I almost exclusively play ranked but seeing these changes from ubisoft and then them doubling down on these changes infuriates me even. Its almost like they dont care about the community they built up and they just want to increase their numbers by catering to cod players etc. I remember when siege was slow paced, methodical, and required actual strategy to win but now the game is almost exclusively who is better mechanically at the game and the reason I started playing siege was because I was never the best mechanically but I felt I could still contribute to the game and team by having good strategies. Its disapointing to see the way siege is headed but whether or not you make siege content I'll still be here for the ride bikini
This is what it feels like. They’re trying to turn siege into a slightly different COD. I’ve moved from playing siege ranked to learning CS2, and CS2 still gives me that competitive tactical fps experience, but it also feels like a game that’s stayed true to itself, it feels like CSGO, but looks better. I’ll play siege occasionally with my friends, I just don’t have the drive to play either quick match or standard, the upcoming t-hunt removal has to be done correctly, in a direct upgrade, or else I’ll have lost every playlist I play except ranked. My gameplay loop was always warming up mechanics in Thunt, trying to play well in unranked, then going into ranked to get that competitive drive out. Now when I play standard, it feels terrible in matchmaking. It’s not a 1:1 replica of ranked in structure anymore, and the matchmaking puts me with casual players (no offense to casual players, but I’m trying to play competitively, so there’s a mismatch, it’s not enjoyable for me or my teammates or opponents, because if I want to play competitively, they want to play casually, and another wants to play in some other way, than nobody gets the experience they want). In sum, I’d love to continue playing, but until the playlists are fixed, it feels like there’s no real reason for me to play. Edit: I didn’t realize I typed that much.
The "jumping back to tiktok" was too accurate 💀
I hate the new Quick Match and Standard playlist! Quick Match used to be near perfect. Good prep phase time, first to 3 wins, quitting Quick Match isn't a detriment so if I need to leave early I can, and NO AUTOMATIC SETUPS!
I only started Siege in year six with Flores and immediately fell in love with it. Discovered your channel and learnt so much from watching your streams or other content creators. But with the release of Quick Match 2.0 I left Siege kinda heartbroken. I do play a few Standard matches here and there with some friends but after 3-4 games the fun is out. Of the 15-20 people I regularly played siege 2 are still playing but they're ranked warriors. And the issue for all of us is QM2.0/Standard. The operators and the gadgets are well balanced. But the dynamic of the matches is just horrible. People are literally brain dead. This video is the first Siege content I watch since the Heavy Mettle/Ram video. I hope Ubi does realise soon enough what they are doing. Otherwise casual Siege is done in the next 8-12 months. And shortly after that the rest is over aswell. The casual playerbase is the biggest in Siege.
Run and gun/rush meta is the reason I quit siege
Unranked and Casual was the perfect combination of modes to have besides Ranked. What I don't understand is why do it now when we have plenty of fast paced arcade modes.
As someone who started at the end of fenrirs season, I hate the new quick match. I hate how it just gives you the bomb location so there’s no point to have a drone phase. Scanning ops don’t matter either because all it is, is the tdm meta
Well I already ditched Quickmatch, the only reason I stuck to quick over standard was the long que times, which now that everyone has jumped to standard is much better. I avoid ranked because people in there are toxic...
I think the problem is that the developers have conflated the sentiment of ranked players who feel like quick match "is just too sweaty" and that "there's no real way to play this game casually" with the idea that quick match and standard needed to be made more appealing to the casual masses. At least that is why I think they did everything to reduce the time. I also believe they made the addition of pre-setups with player onboarding in mind. They wanted people to be able to be given examples of how to create a setup, however, in doing so they failed to see that by removing the player's ability to experiment with setups (no matter how bad), they removed something extremely core to what makes siege SIEGE. By removing the ability to have that SIEGE experience in a low pressure environment, they somehow failed to realize that not only do non-competitive players lose the ability to really play the game, but the new one's can no longer learn it properly in a low pressure PVP environment. I don't think trying to make a faster mode is bad for the game's health, but it can't be an outright replacement for the only functional low-pressure siege playlists. If making another, faster, separate playlist is too much of a hit to either studio costs or matchmaking pools/times than it simply isn't worth taking away the siege experience from players who don't have the time or competitive drive to climb ranked, let alone the content creators who are tired of being stream sniped (who are the core marketing for the game).
I quit the game a few years ago because it started losing the tactical feel and it looks like nothing improved since then. They need to stop treating the game like its COD S&D, the fast pace tdm aint it and never will be.
I was grinding out battle pass challenges and the, “win 8 quick match rounds” was the worst experience of my time on siege. The prenforcements and rotations threw me off because they were the worst set ups ever. Then my teammates were all terrible, with me being the only fragger. It took me like 8 matches and an 8 hour cooldown period before I completed it.
Thank you for speaking about this. I love siege and have played since y2. I find the non-ranked modes ruined with quick match being unplayable and standard being worse with less maps than old casual and no op bans like old unranked while still being just as long. Good luck kini excited for new videos.
These changes are such a bummer. I love playing siege, if anything more than I ever have, but I still play less because I only play ranked with a 5 stack. If we have less than 5 we used to just play casual or unranked, but now we just don't play at all unless we have 5.
I started playing siege again for the first time since year 5 and when my friends and I were in a ranked match, I was the only one playing site, while 2 of my friends were spawnpeeking, and 2 randoms were just running around the map. All of the attackers rushed site and since nobody was nearby, I got killed, the enemy team got the plant, and everyone on my team got killed while rushing back to site at the last second, and we lost the match
was literally forced to play ranked this entire season because that is the map pool i am used too lol
i mained casual for 7 years. unranked was ok but had the longest queue times and you fought the same players. i tried ranked 2.0, and it was good for a while, but after a couple seasons went back to being too toxic, strategically rigid, and maps got bland. now, ranked is the same, quick match 2.0 is unplayable, and standard has worse matches than old casual somehow. idk, i guess i suffer ranked or dont play.
If you’re looking to try different games, but in a similar vein, there’s been a few tactical police / SWAT games recently. I think Ready Or Not is one of the better ones, from what I’ve seen. Love your videos, and sad to see the direction that Siege is being taken =(
9:12 Quick match is now the f***ing Arkham Asylum itself
Dont let him cook. Make him the Head Cheff.
The points made in this video make way more sense than what Ubisoft is doing (also, the song that starts at 9:12 is "And Now We Wait" from PAYDAY 2. Just though I would mention that because it's not listed in the description)
I'm really sad for next season because I love the balance changes and the new character but my GOD I hate the queue changes. I used to play exclusively quick match, I love the game but ranked just made me miserable, now having moved to standard because they beat my baby to death with a shovel while I enjoy the basics of the mode the map rotation is just SO AWFUL. Playing with my friends we've routinely gotten Nighthaven or Yacht like four or more times in a row and then just alt-F4 out of the game because it comes up a 5th time and everyone wants to unlife.
Finally, someone actually talking about having the self-proclaimed tactical 5v5 shooter be SLOW. I feel like too many people are way too comfortable with the new fast paced TDM meta thats been taking over siege and treating it like other fps shooters when this game was previously meant for more thoughtful strategies, meaningful gunfights, and tactical entries. Too many times in games, I'm met with just full on rushes or runouts and spawnpeeks which I understand are part of the game, but to basically eliminate the whole careful approach feeling that siege had, is so unfun. It's warped my understanding of the game when I'd try to play for things like breeching when they don't even have anti, or vise versa when I'm anti breach and they didn't even bother breaching. I've been playing since White Noise, wanting for things to change for the longest time, but not like this, this isn't the siege I want or remember.
Honestly, understandable. QM 2.0 is just frustrating to me. Standard is basically casual, there's no way to properly try stuff without ranked- all in all it's just a dumb system. No one plants anymore, there's always 8-9 reinforcements sitting in defenders' pickets in standard while the players run around taking potshots at props or just straight up afk-ing. Siege doesn't need to be faster, it was in an alright place with some tweaking, maybe. But now it's becoming insufferable and I hate that it is this way. There was a point where me and my friends were slowly enjoying Siege again, then they introduced the new changes and the mood went from hopeful to either indifferent or just not wanting to play. Even on that one night where I jump onto the game, I cannot have fun without actively doing dumb things, because the game would rather I run and gun, instead of try to play like what Siege used to be. Completely understand your frustration here, Bikini. It's sad to see they doubled down on this.
Yeah I stopped playing last season. Big bummer. Used to love playing casual matches, and now my favorite defense operater kapkan is so hard to play
As someone who has played R6 for a while. I find Quick match a joke. Not only do some pre-setups get in the way (like reinforced kid’s room) but both secure area and hostage have no setups. This means we have to prep site with less time with less motivated players in two thirds of any game in Quick Match. I would like to see a rework to Secure/Hostage to make them more engaging in general, but they are more interested in battle passes and reputation systems. I myself will see this season through, but do not have any plans for this game next year
I feel like Ubisoft has reached a point where they're trying to slowly kill the game so they can finally work on another project. They listened to people by making Operation Chimera a whole standalone, but it was less about strategy and more like a normal zombie shooter in the R6 coat of paint, and they added a bunch of good cosmetics in only for them to be exclusive to Extraction, Ubisoft is just hitting the motherlode with bad choices and they've had so many that it's now affecting Siege.
Loaded up siege yesterday, played 1 match had pro league rush strats used and the round ended in 30 seconds and hopped off
love ya kini, im with you in this and i know if this is the end of siege content well it is what it is but even if that finish the rest of the coming content i know it will be as good as this one. best wishes and festivities
"What have we done...?!" Wake the hell up, Ubisoft.
looking forward to the new vids and the new non seige content any idea what games youll be playing
They should have just added or kept the auto prep placements in the newcomer playlist (if that still exists) and allow for people in quick match to enable a setting that highlights or shows outlines or tips/hints to placements or rotates, etc. That way it isn't ruining the meta and instead allowing for people to learn at their own pace and not disabling a key feature of the game and just making it a glorified tdm playlist. I do enjoy playing quickly and having faster pace matches, but I also like placing reinforcements and prepping, I think a quick play playlist is fine, but you shouldn't make it brainless and instead make it more of a challenge to see how fast you and your team can either attack or defend with little to no room to breath or error (similar to how real life scenarios could feel etc.) and keep standard and ranked the core siege rules (if those even exist still).
Oh yea, I also get yelled at for playing it safe or actually planting the defuser a lot too. Sometimes I top frag and play the obj and get bullied for it cuz I actually take my time to either flank or hold an area, instead of running around like a headless chicken.
good for you kini. truely good for you for giving a damn about the health of the game that you make your living from regardless of the money. Im happy to be a sub.
All they gotta do is focus a little less on the gunplay to avoid boring repeats add more to the units ability to the environment, if the environment expand and make it more interactable then I’ll bet it will become more siege-like than COD-like. Defensive turrents, attacking Apache with the landing team..that should force the use for drones and utilities
im honestly look forward to see all the games you start play i cant wait to watch them. Your a real one
Fun fact i stoped playing rainbow six siege and started playing rainbow six extraction and im having more fun than i had since quick match on siege has been ruined Perhaps this was ubisoft plan all along
I might have the most rose tinted glass opinion about maps, but I truly believe the old residence, plane, bank and the old maps should be the way future maps should be designed. they weren't balanced but damn they were immersive, you feel like a SWAT team breaching in a hostage situation. some maps now feel like a Resident evil house on how much shit it have.
The worst thing is, that you can get Dishonorable, just because toxic enemies spam report you. Even worse, when you are playing with friends, because then you can't get commended as much as a counterbalance.
Honestly has a feeling of cod. Fast pace isn't what seige is. I really do enjoy seige but this last season. Gave me cod style.
As a solo queue player whos work schedule makes my play time in the middle of the night Ranked 2.0 is unplayable and now Quick Match is unplayable. Now i have to sit there for ages waiting on Standard games. Idk how long I can keep this up. The Quick Match map pool is a problem as House, Yacht, and Favela pop up so much more than other maps.
After over 650 hours, I stopped playing Siege in August 23, shortly before the Heavy Mettle drop. Not because of the new season, but somehow over the years, my friends were just done with the game and it was always a teamsport for me. Our team played mostly "casual" (i refused to call it any other way), because we just wanted to chill and goof around, but still win a fair share of matches. Sometimes I think about going back and install it again, going at it alone. But seeing your videos about the changes to "my" mode, I think I just leave it and remember it fondly the way it was.
Bikini is entering his DarkViperAU phase and I'm totally here for it
I came across a blatant cheater yesterday in Quick Match. He had 15 kills in 4 rounds. He was using walls and like a headshot cheat because he was aiming at our bodies and the kills were registering as headshots
Kini, since you are planning on you and your friends taking a break from Siege, I (and I'm sure many others) would love to see you guys try Lethal Company