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I agree that the owners of the vessel need to be fined a significant amount. However the so called salvers and the individuals who signed the incompetent salvage of the vessel should also be fined the $1.8 million for the willful sinking of the vessel. Any vessel with a hole in it will sink unless the hole is plugged and buoyancy devices are attached. Criminals should get no dispensation merely because they work for the government.
The salvage company is a completely incompetent entity. I'm a retired carpenter contractor, and I can tell you that with 1/10 of the on site resources they had (probably even less) I could have floated that boat. You just have to be smarter than the problem. I believe they were only in it for the money and nothing more.
@@smartysmarty1714 they were very competent at doing what they were (wink wink) supposed to do... nobody thought its being sunk was an accident. I wish them luck getting the money -- with the only valuables in the argument at 20 fathoms.
@@redwolfexr Any family that has their finances in a trust has plenty in the bank and were counting on stringing out the process for years, hoping that the gov eventually gave up. As for the salvers, I’m not sure what to think. From an insurance point of view a complete loss is probably better than a repair job. But then again, the insurer might be denying it anyway based on the negligence of the inadequate mooring that started the entire debacle.
It sat there for 6 weeks . Why does anyone have to owe this negligent boat owner any favors ?
They should be thinking of other penalties, owner and company loose all licenses to be on the water. Owner should be banned from Hawaii, salvage company should loose its licence and suspended from doing business
Certainly whomever "salvaged" that vessel did poorly.
YWFT or know the circumstances.
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Looks like the salvage company should be fined for stupidity.
They didn’t wreck the yacht
@arribaficationwineho32 - True, not originally. But then they pulled it out to sea without assessing damage and using bilge pumps. The salvage company literally pulled the vessel until they sank the yacht.
I would not hire them for anything sounds like they just sunk it deep so why are they not being fined for being dumb as anyone moving a boat off the rocks need repairs to the hull and a few crash pumps to prevent sinking of the yact.
@@arribaficationwineho32 no what they did was make the natural disaster worse , the original idiot was the owner for tying his vessel to an improper mooring point ,,but the salvage company towing the vessel out to sea just to let it sink was equally as stupid
@@wildcoyote34 but we sink ships to make reefs for fish?
They didn’t even try and stop the boat from sinking.. what a set up from the start..
The question begs that why were there no buoyancy bags added to the yacht considering that it had been holed and would take on water? It is now on the bottom and therefore still polluting so is there now a requirement that it is fully salvaged?
Ya, basically purposeful sinking, cheaper disposal. Hard to argue otherwise...
For $1.8 million my old team could salver it about ten times or more depending on the depths. This is just crazy leftist lawfare against the howlies!
The incident occurred in HONOLUA Bay on the northwest point of Maui. (Unclear as to if you were saying HONOLULU Bay, which of course is on Oahu. My apologies if I heard you incorrectly) HONOLUA Bay is a protected marine reserve, no less!
"If you damage our rocks with your boat, we will tow your boat to open water and sink it, then charge you again!" - Hawaii, essentially.
Whoever hired the recovery operation should also be fined. That recovery operation wasn't experienced or skilled enough for such a operation.
By boosting the fine they've assured lawyers will be the beneficiaries in the end.
I'd be interested to hear your comments about the salvage crew who dragged a boat, with a holed hull, off the rocks without flotation bags or bilge pumps.
The holes were probably very extensive and certainly inaccessible whilst aground. Therefore the only way to deal with that is a barge and crane. Unsure as to whether it would be possible or allowable to moor the barge in a marine park. Therefore dragging might have been the only solution. Yes, it would create more or bigger holes and it would not be possible to plug them before she sank. Could flotation bags have been added. The number and volume would have to be huge and there are very few position to attach the floats. Do the maths.
@@csjrogerson2377 that's not true that the number would have to be significant. Not that much of the average vessel is really that much heavier than sea water. You just have to attach enough bags to stop it from going to the bottom so you can tow it to the boat yard. You don't have to attach enough bags to keep her floating at her waterline level.
The holes were plugged before they pulled it. But It was them dragging the boat sideways on the rocks that created NEW holes. They needed a higher tide or pulled it forward, not sideways. Plus like you said, maybe had some pumps on board with also flotation bags in place in case of new leaks.
As a former shipwright I can reasonably assume that more than a few multimillion $$$ yachts dumped a lot of toxic materials in the ocean. It's a little suspicious when they go out on sea trials with a lot of construction waste that definitely won't float and they come back without it. I opine that if you can afford a yacht fit for the elite, you can afford to be respectful to everyone.
WTF does that have to do with this?
I'm guessing that they wanted it to sink, perhaps so that they could collect insurance as a total loss? It's a shame. I bet it could have been repaired for less than the price to replace it. I hope they levy additional fines on the salvage company.
I understand the Hawaii locals’ point of view having vacationed there a lot over the years and seeing the islands get progressively worse. The coral reefs are in a sorry state and the beaches are eroding fast. They want to protect what is left but it is already so trashed I prefer to go other places now.
I totally agree with owners of the vessels paying fines and agree they need be high setting an example, but I also agree that the salvage party should also be responsible for any damages during the removal process. It’s so important as a keen recreational fishermen manage stocks protect our reefs and shorelines and all boat owners need to take responsibility, check your moorings, use appropriate anchors , drive slow where needed these are not just for our safety but to also help preserve this wonderful places and the eco systems that support it. Hawaiian people understand this greatly and have a wonderfully deep and profound commitment with the environment the ocean the beaches the sea life and they as a community would all be suffering. Very sad 😢
Thank you. From The Big Island.
Gross negligence fines for the owner(s), some fines to the salvage co. who did not secure the vessel for the rescue operation and sank the vessel.
If they payed everything they owe most of them wouldn’t be millionaires 😂 All the best to everyone
Some boat owners are beyond arrogant
It seems fair to me that if a boat owner has a boat large enough to require public morage facilities, then that boat MUST carry full insurance to protect public and private property from damages due to issues caused by that boat or crew. If there is no insurance, then there should be no morage available, and that proof of insurance or bond status must be submitted to the rental agency each time the document expires or is renewed.
Endless scammers it seems in this business. Not a good look for the many legitimate and responsible people providing charter services.
If it was on a "bareboat charter" when the accident happened, the charterer would be liable not the owner. In maritime law, bareboat charterers are considered "owner pro hac vice".
I"ve snorkled in Honolua Bay and it's a geat spot on Maui: lotsa fish and turtles. Cryin' shame this happened. Somehow, people with too much money think they can get away with anything. Hope the State sues the hell out of all these guilty parties.
Sue them immediately
About time fines are given to reflect the damage caused by careless people. BRAVO !!!! ..... Stay Safe & Keep Reporting!! ☘
That guy John Carti laid it on a bit thick. "Hellish year" The boat "keepers" were negligent on multiple occasions and should be penalised 👍 Apart from the sea life, nobody went through hell or hardship. Obviously there was a financial burden which should have been recovered from the owners or insurance etc.
Ain't the 1% great fellow humans.
Thanks my friend for the update on this deal...... Old F-4 II Shoe🇺🇸
it would be interesting to see a picture of the coral damage...or would that be asking too much?
@3:43 How is this a win? They got no money from that LLC.
They are glade the original settlement of $118.000 didnt go through so they could up the final settlement to 1,8M? That was my understanding but is probably wrong haha
Suspend his driver's license and have him forfeit his vehicles !
How much were the salvage company finned fror not making sure the towed vessel was fit for towing.
Seems like the salvage company should be partially responsible too. Why didn't they attach some lift bags to that boat before they towed it off the rocks so it wouldn't head to the bottom. It wasn't like it sinking immediately wasn't foreseeable considering the obvious damage to its hull.
are you allowed to do that finders keepers rule with an unmanned vessel.... or is that only in international waters??? Tow that thing into the cheapest harbor I can find a large slip in on the west coast, and then just live in that thing as my new house. I bet thats like a 4-6 bedroom, with a bar and swimming pool and hot tub. lmao. I'll never have a house like that on land XD
The sinking of it during recovery is clearly a deliberate act - hook it up and drag it out to deep water then cut the lines, appears to be the orders for the day. If they had spent more time on a good recovery they could have sold it and recovered at least the initial fine, maybe more
I hope the law can extend the sentence to prison if the fines are left unpaid. The threat of a couple of years in prison might just show some swift money transfers. great video 2x👍
The Alberts are suing Jim Jones etc. for lack of insurance on yacht. Kevin S. Albert and Kimberly Leblanc Albert Defendant: Noelani Yacht Charters, LLC, Jim Jones, Kimberley Kalalani Higa, John Does 1-50, Jane Does 1-50, Doe Partnerships 1-50, Doe Corporations 1-50, Doe Governmental Agencies 1-50 and Doe Entities 1-50 Case Number: 1:2023cv00132 Filed: March 13, 2023
It’s the DLNR Department of Land and Natural Resources.
Is it a surprise that the owners are refusing to pay a fine that is greater than the residual value of the boat. Especially when the government salvagers went and sank their boat out of sheer incompetence.
I have lived and dived and worked in Hawaii and made my weekly living on the reefs. The situation is disgraceful and devastating and the fines, attributions, and penalties send a powerful message. This cannot be allowed to continue :: Hoʻomaikaʻi iā mākou a pau a me ke kai.
I’d be interested in seeing his insurance coverages. This is clearly a general liability issue, however, most all insurance policies exclude penalties and fines levied by a governmental authority.
Dang
REFUSE to Pay for Negligence, yet own multi million $ yachts. W T F.
Come on now! You know the rich! They never want to pay a penny for anything as it would mean giving up some of what they worship most...money!
Easiest way to make money is not to spend money, but also many smaller yachts are often owned in a way where the owner can bearly afford them as is..
Haha you don’t get yacht wealthy by caring about your consequences
That expensive of a yacht and they don’t have an anchor alarm on it?
Probably didn't work for their wealth.
Okay -- so what happens if they refuse to pay the fine?
What a shame..the beautiful state of Hawaii is to be keep clean. I love this spot ... it's a very peaceful place. However... The yacht manufacturer who designed the yacht. Failed to create a plan of action for fuel leaking. A patch or something like that. A absorbent blanket... Or something pump the fuel in to like a big heavy duty plastic bag .. Nothing.. The state of should look into why they are not creating more safety for the environment in case of a fuel spill... Thanks for the heads up...great Job
Well deserved fine. It will be very important that the fine is collected! PLEASE NOTE: It grounded in Honolua Bay ... NOT ... "Honolulu Bay" ....
Why did the salvagers sink the boat, I don’t understand? Isn’t their job to salvage it?
Looks like they are trying to set an example here. Not only a 1.9m dollar fine, but you aint getting your boat back either. (Persumably, they drained whatever pollutants before dragging it out to sink). I do not belive the salvage did anything wrong, this looked too intentional. Next step would be an arrest warrant if the parties fined fail to pay at a certain due date. I would assume there is, otherwhise whats the point if they dont have to pay?
GOOD
Really; That reassesment equates to nothing. Untill those funds are paid ( which. I believe will not happen ) for various legal reasons then this is pure window dressing. I think you know that. In any event it is a good move & i support it. Tks for the info update.
So, as I understand the story. The yacht ultimately sank and wasn’t recovered ? 😮
who would you recover sunken boat?
May I say, great reporting and follow up, however I very strongly agree with others in that the salvage company and its people and procedures need to be investigated and subsequently they should be fined for negligence in the failed attempt to remove the vessel from the area entirely and have it taken out of the water with some very basic preventative procedures, very poor on their behalf, All the best, Al
I feel for all involved. With so little info it is hard to forrm an opinion. I am sure that it is way too early for an insurance settlement.
Yeah.. don't pay a dime.
The owners shouldn't be fined. If you wreck your car the city doesn't send you a bill for the light pole.
I would guess lawyers (and insurance companies) will fight over the “fine” for years to come...
No dragging anchor alarm ???
It sounds like you’re saying Honolulu Bay, it’s Honolua Bay
Exactly what does the government (BLNR) do with the fines it levees? The government wasn't "damaged". It appeared to me a significant amount, if not majority, of damage to the "living rocks and coral" was during during the drag-off and salvage. They, too, should be liable for a hefty fine. They should have been able to "patch" the hull and attach some flotation buoys to keep her from sinking.
Irony is, they may have anchored there due to how pristine the area was before the incident with their vessels.
"Great win" by setting the fine so high the people will never pay?
When you pull to a mooring area as a private vessel you generally radio in and are told where to park. If he did what he was told and now theyre coming after him thats ridiculous.
Thank you from Manhattan ©2024. even though must speed up 1.5.
It’s Honolua Bay not Honolulu Bay and it’s the DLNR not the BLNR.
yes, apparently they survived too many dollars if they valued the broken stones and spilled pure hydrocarbons extracted from the same land at almost 2 million...
I doubt they’ll ever see a penny.
Be careful what you wish for.😢
Just run away! come get me!
Why didn't they just make the max mooring weight a little bit bigger, seems like a fail on their part as well.
To me, as in the UK you HAVE to have 3rd party insurance at least to drive a car on public roads....so if you put a boat in the water, you should have the same?.....surely???
As of May 1st, all vessels are required to have $100,000.00 in salvage insurance in the state of Hawaii making it unaffordable for many to own a vessel here.
Literally "every" vessel or are there stipulations, honest question? Cause I mean I know insurance is a pain, but since 2020 people can barley afford a new car, home and food in well all over.. let alone a pleasure craft so i dont understand the argument
They're making boat ownership expensive everywhere in the U.S. Soon, it will once again be a pastime for only the very rich. Which is likely the plan as why should they share the water and choice anchorages with the common riffraff.
Is it still on the bottom of the ocean?
Does the fine money actually go to fixing the damage caused?
Why would they just volunteer their mo. Make the state sue them and deal with it in the courts. Likely the refusal is a ploy to come to a settlement, but I think the owner is underestimating the convictions of the officials
Set up
So many tough and cheap words from the government people. Why don't they keep quiet and humble until they deliver by collecting the fine?
Capt./Owner must be a heavy sleeper to be on board as it broke loose and drifted away? Anyone else use the GPS mooring alarm?
Leave him alone
Arrogance has a price!
Have to say that, watching shorts from this lod action... Nakoa refloating operation was one of the most badly organized things I ever saw on all marine channels since years. Even being totally amateur I would do it differently. Knowing that the hull is pierced - they should strap a lot of floating bags on both sides, assure thered there will be no breaking problem problem then tow SLOWLY to the nearest marina...thats my PoV .
You can see a person standing waist deep in one of the shots so I assume the depth to coral prevented deployment of bags? Seems something could have been done.
Honolua- "LUA"" not Honolulu
Good luck collecting from a trust.
So the owner let his busted up boat grind away at the coral for 6 weeks over a gracious 117k dollar token fine . But plays the victim card when the Govt gets tired of playing around . The owner should have had a recovery team on it the next day . Paying for it .
Wasn't the boat emptied immediately for oil and fuel to prevent pollution to the area? 117,500 or 1,818,851 USD, the polution is still there...
Did you know that it's legal to dump garbage and empty your toilet tanks just three miles off shore? You can dump your grey water with no limit which includes in a marina or while at anchor
Hi mate what is the name of this yacht excellent videos keep up the good/hard work
Nakoa
The owner should pay for all natural ruin.
It's weird that in the recap all those unprofessional rescue and salvage attempts were not mentioned or shown, as they probably significantly contributed and amplified to the overall damage done... (eSysman reported on them previously)
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That fine against the owner and the cost for the salvage is outrageous! And imho the "rescue" was very incompetent! They have had multiple options so that the vessel would not have to sink! To bring a tug boat which only pulls the boat into open sea for sinking CAN NOT cost 500.000$. Unbelievable!
You don't know the costs of marine fuel. They had to have a vessel come from another island. And they didn't simply tow the yacht out to let it sink. They worked on the yacht removing all fluids and prepping to tow for over a month.
Im sure he didnt park at that morring spot on his own accord... who directed him to park there?
This is why you never put toys in your personal name.. they will never get a dime of those fines from the now bankrupt trust that’s only asset was that yacht… Let’s also be honest if you didn’t know this had happen and visited that reserve you’d never know anything happened.. This is just some group looking for a payday and no amount of money will change whatever little damage did occur..
Sounds like the BNLR is trying to CTA.
not defending the yacht owner, but their are industrial sites that have done FAR FAR more pollution and destruction than this, to marine environments, and got off with less. this is stupid.
what is sacred
im the government will use that money wisely.............for there own yachts i mine lol
So they couldn’t pay the earlier settlement evidently, so “proudly” assess a fine 10x that amount. Makes great clips for news, but little in the way of an intelligent outcome for the aggrieved…
OUCH
Lmao. They can fine the owner $5bilion. Nothing will happen... what are they going to do? Seize the sunken yacht. The owners got their insurance payout.
rich people think that laws are only for poor people
I'll bet they don't get so much as a sausage out of anyone for this.