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Ok very funny Levy, taking one of my chess games and calling it “ the worst possible chess game mathematically”
really?
@@spirosgoussis9717 (real)
“Levi”
I thought it was mine 😂😂
who is levi
The mate in *27* with the three knights is the greatest thing stockfish has provided anyone ever
you missed the mate in 50 at the end lol
There's a mate in 40 15:17
at 17:00 there is a frame with mate in 50 lol
there was a mate in 9223372036854775807 moves
@@theseer2626 16:50 too
Some of these moves are so deep that not only do they blunder mate, they prevent the opponent from blundering mate too
Time for "excellent" blunders
Brilliant blunder
uno reverse brilliant
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!!!??!!!!!@@ghostcat5303
15:14 The fact that the estimation bar found that this position was mate in 40 is astonishing.
It's because after queen takes queen there are only 7 pieces left and stockfish probably had access to an endgame tablebase for 7 pieces.
i was boutta comment this
I was going to comment this!
That mate is easy. Like you just need to take queen and all horses and then Queen mate hoping that it would not be draw by 50- move rule. Only if White played best move it would take 40 moves but no computer other than few can play best move for 40 moves straight.
16:18 mate in 45
Petition to start an anti chess championship
Antichess is already a variant on Lichess. The premise is that if you CAN capture you MUST capture. First player to run out of moves wins.
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@@rage2904 well then we call it something else
chess needs a version where you gain points for losing each piece and you win by getting checkmated
As a kid I used to play poddavki with my father, it was basically anti-checkers, trying to be first to give all the pieces away
My favorite part was when Levy said that he wasn't going to reiterate that this was the worst possible move every move then proceeded to reiterate that this was the worst possible move every move.
I guess that was the worst possible move by Levy 😁
When a chess game is that bad, it's hard to not mention it. At least it went faster than my chess games, at one move every 2 minutes.
My favorite part was when he said it’s reiterating time and reiterated all over the place
@@Some_Sandichambata-reiterate
999th like
I like how this game actually looks more like an actual battle than a chess game, what with all the chaos and pawns in No-man's land, essentially sending the game full circle back to what it was originally trying to replicate.
Battle of Verdun colorized
Love me some actual battles where the king is completely surrounded by enemy troops.
3 moves in and there’s checkmate😂
Martin: finally, a worthy opponent
Our battle will be legendary!
the only time/way martin can beat stockfich (technically he would be better since he has 250 elo and mathematically, the worst elo possible is 100)
A massive thanks to the eval bar for doing all that hard work
bro was doing pull ups
@@davidthecommenter and squats
Bro was doing a warm up bench at 500 lbs
yoo 669th like here
@@davidthecommenter muscle ups 20 in a row
Suggestion: since both engines are playing the worst moves based on standard evaluation, they are blundering mates but the opponent is not checkmating them. This is because they still evaluate under the assumption that, in the future, both will play the best moves. Instead, we could also change the evaluation algorithm, so that they do indeed assume both sides will always play the worst move possible. This way, instead of playing moves that make no progress for either side, they will actively be trying to lose, making moves that force their opponent to play something good. For example, a queen chasing a king around the board trying to force him to take her or other similar things would be hilarious
Isn't that just a bot that's really good at anti chess then?
This is beautiful. AN anti-chess wizard bot
@@bernhardbrodowsky3261 But in anti-chess ALL captures are forced, in this that would not be the case
not yet an anti chess bot tho. Captures are forced in anti, so the "stockfish" of anti chess has to set up the best forced capture chain for the opponent to be trapped in.
That's what I was hoping for. I was wondering why white didn't say her queen with check and force black to take it.
4:08 "RE-BLUNDERING checkmate" is crazy
am i tripping or even black is blundering? black can take the white queen w its knight no?
@@koyacrabit’s white’s turn. black could have taken the queen with the knight but didn’t so white could checkmate
Martin will still find a way to fumble this one.
I can finally say i play like stockfish thank you gotham ❤️
Why aren't u continuing ur series on ur channel
☠️☠️
if anyone could actually play that bad they would be a fucking GM
@@Theindiananimefan681🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰
LMAO
Imagine being a horsey, hearing that stockfish promoted to you 5 times, and realizing what actually happened
"There are 4 horses grazing on the outskirts of the farmland" really got me xD
Lol apparently i just learned the weakest of the major pieces
@@vexof-carter9203 howd you just learn that its like the first thing one learns lmfao
@@vexof-carter9203 depends, in closed games the bishop is the worst major piece
The worst possible move :(
The spider at 14:30 was so important Levy had to stop talking about the 4 horses
bro had to divert his attention away from content, that's crazy
16:10 The fact that a 87 ADVANTAGE even exists is CRAZY!
Me playing any EA made game without donate and my enemy (who donated) goes like :87 ADVANTAGE
Ive had a 112 advantage once XD
@@TahaShakir2 wat.
"Re-blundering checkmate" is such a powerful phrase. And oddly perfectly describes my life
270 likes and no comments? we can fix that
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Imagine looking at the game review and seeing you had 100 blunders
45 inaccuracies, 71 mistakes, 100 blunders, 23 missed wins, 3 misdemeanors and a felony
@@mattgarcia7513 don’t forget the 3 war crimes
@@WarriorOfAIIah wtf dude
@@Greatness202 8,000,000 civilian deaths 1000,000,000 acres of farmland salted and burnt 80% of freshwater supplies poisoned
@thatdude9091 OK sir, are you gonna start the Fourth Reich? Can I join?
The game graph must look like a heart attack
Took me until the very end of the video to figure out the premise that Stockfish was LITERALLY programmed to make the worst move possible!. Really wish you'd said it 140 more times so that I hadn't missed that :(
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Levy: * goes on a whole separate adventure making an entirely different game * Also levy:” *But that didn’t happen* “
Bros pulling out an entire What If? episode on our asses on a chess video
me watching the video following the moves when it gets set 20 moves back
You should see his video on beating a cheater, bro pulled a Dr. Strange for every move he did during a blitz game
i just paused the video to look at the comments and just when i unpaused he said it, fucking hilarious
Would be interesting to find the worst possible move, knowing that the opponent was also trying to find the worst possible move. So, not just moves that hang pieces, but moves that force the opponent to make good moves. That would actually be anti-chess, and might even be an interesting game.
"anti-chess" I LOVE THAT CONCEPT
@@jajajjajajjajjajajajaja it's an actual game mode that exists, not just a concept
trying to force ur other opponent to checkmate you lmao, and a draw remains a draw. thats actually so funny
@@whoknows1520r/woooosh
@@aashd9245get out.
“I think drunk stockfish when programmed to lose, just really likes ponies.” Dude that line made me laugh hysterically.
The actual game is the intense ping-pong match that's going on in the evaluation bar.
16:56 stockfish calculating and seeing a mate in 50, and also there being an -87 point advantage is just incredible.
yea, I love it when if black lost 87 pawns, it would've been a draw.
"mate in 50" mfs when 50 move rule
@@drenz1523 bro doesn't know how 50 move rule works
well actually, with 7 or less pieces on the board its mathmatically solved so stockfish just has to check the database and run the position, that means and position with 7 or less pieces has been solved including this one and it just memorizes the forced mates.
@@Imaha fun fact stockfish sometimes doesnt actually check the database
I wonder how the calculations would change if Stockfish knew the opponent would try to play the worst move too. Like hanging your Queen is bad, but if you know the opponent isn't going to take it then is there a worse move?
The strategy would be to get into a position where you force the enemy king to capture your pieces
I thought about that too, moves like Qxb5+ at 6:43 are probably the worst since they force the queen to be lost
**HORSE FIESTA INTENSIFIES**
Conceptually, making stockfish do this would be very easy, just take the evaluation function (which gets the advantage score for each board) and just add a minus sign so that it just negates the score it gets. Because the same function is used for both stockfish and its opponent, this would mean that it should also simulate the opponent wanting to do the worst possible move. This honesty sounds like the easiest way to properly make a bad version of stockfish. (There is probably more to it than that, though) We do not know exactly what was done to stockfish in the submitted game (it having solved any version of chess is clickbait), a bad-at-being-worst version would be if it just picked the worst evaluated move from a normal version of stockfish. If a move is evidently bad enough right-of-the-bat, normal stockfish would just stop looking through how a opponent could respond, meaning it wouldn't actually know which one of the worst moves is actually the worst one.
If this game was programmed by reversing minimax into maximin, stocktish does know the opponent will try to play the worst move. I dont think it was however, it looks like he took the list of moves stockfish generated from a standard minimax or negemax algorithm and just picked the worst one
Take a shot every time he says "literally"
The fact that you didn't show the eval graph for this match is absolutely criminal
bar on the left became a turn indicator
😂
Petition to make a second version of the worst game possible, but both sides must play the worst move that doesn’t blunder a forced checkmate
second worst move
it would just be a draw
@@janogruby1086 chess, when played perfectly, ends in a draw
'Worst moves that don't blunder a mate' is synonymous to 'best moves', provided that chess is a draw with best play.
@@sqrti8825 they are talking about making the worst moves that don't show a "M" in the eval
i would love a worstfish+martin vs worstfish+martin each one taking turns playing a move.
this is like a slide whistle going back and forth
I swear it's hilarious to just see the bar change from whos winning just change every single move
That happens in normal games too! I’ve seen some wacky back and forth bars lol
@@devdecker7812 skill issue
@@aspect359 not gonna happen as much with people though, stockfish is a computer and you can guarantee each move will do that if it’s programmed to
@@aspect359 I’m rated 712 and still going up I’m not too bad better than the average person right now
@@devdecker7812 skill issue
You should do one where you force stockfish at its highest to play 10 worst possible moves and then try to win.
They'd call it Magnusfish.
If you play the worst possible moves against a normal opponent you are checkmated in 2 moves
any player can win against worstfish in 3 moves since it enables you to make fools mate
I say we post Magnus-Stockfish under each and every video until it happens!
It would be fools mate
It really wasn't 100% clear, but I kept getting hints that the engine was programmed to play the worst possible move.
I did not consider how painful this would be to watch. This is art.
It's ultra-surprising that the "worst move" was sometimes to take a piece. It seems like just any waiting move would generally be worse than winning material.
a lot of those cases involved hanging a more valuable piece in the process. Like using a queen to capture a defended pawn.
You will eventually run out of waiting moves.
It's because it isn't just purely the "worst move" in a vacuum. It's the "worst move given the assumption (which is incorrect in this case) that your opponent will play their best move". If you programmed it to anticipate the opponent doing the same thing then it would find a different set of worst moves, since it would want to favor outcomes that limit the opponent's bad moves. That would probably involve a lot more waiting moves rather than taking pieces.
There are multiple worst moves sometimes, in case the enemy has mate in 1. In these cases it's quite likely a random worst move gets chosen which can also be taking a piece since it doesn't make a difference for stockfish.
It werent actually the worst moves, because most of taking was made when both sides were hanging M1, so it didnt really matter what move will the stockfish make as long as it will still be M1.
The fact that it makes plans to set up making the worst possible moves is actually impressive
It doesn't seem to know the opponent wants the same thing though. It should play to force the opponent to take its queen
@@lukasg4807 would literally take an entire reprogramming of everything thats been done so far
@@joefawcett2191 Not necessarily. If you negate all leaf values from the search(i.e. a mate in the future gets counted as a loss, being mated counts as a win, winning a queen is losing, etc.) then all you really need to change is the evaluation function.
jokes on you I set that up without even trying
@@joefawcett2191you literally just need to negate the evaluation function.
They should do a tournament of this. Worst average centipawn loss per turn wins until a set number of turns has passed, and they play known openings to make the games different (openings don’t count towards score)
8:45 - Levy went hikaru
14:31 Levy can commentate a chess game and notice there’s a spider on the wall at the same time thats just how good he is
lol
levy
Meanwhile me in the same situation: お前はもう死んでいる。 Spider: 何？
@@egorzhdanov6145 why are you writing in Japanese here bud'
@@whannabi Transcription: [omai wa mō shinde ru] [nani] Translation: - You already dead. - What?
12:18 Can we take a moment to appreciate how all of the pieces are avoiding the centre of the board like the plague?
Meanwhile that one pawn on d3:
@@runic3063 who do you think has the plague, they are avoiding that pawn for a reason
15:19 mate in 40
even more so at 14:30
The opposite of "try to control the center"
Interestingly, it always plays the worst move considering an opponent who plays to win, like how it takes pieces to allow checkmate when the opponent won't even play it. I wonder if it's possible to program or modificate an engine to play for a loss against another one who plays for a loss, that would be insane to watch
Mathematically, White played better.
MrBeast: Finally a worthy opponent
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Dang
Lol
True
Why you everywhere
I like the part when Levi explains that stockfish is playing the worst possible move instead of the best possible move
LITERALLY the worst possible move
Im unclear, is stockfish playin the best possible move here? Video should make it obvious
I like the part where he shows the next 13 moves each side can make after every single move
I had Mythbusters flashback.
I love how the endgame devolved into "Three Blind Knights."
as someone that doesn't play chess, it makes me feel a lot better knowing that I didn't even see most of these moves as options
Levy should show the "analyze stats" at the end to see the accuracy and the number of bad and worst moves done
Mistakes and blunders?
"102 blunders"
Coach Bizarre Game - You and your Opponent are total scumbags, Both of you should get one braincell.
The accuracy will probably be a face. Know that episode in the "How to lose at chess" playlist? 😂
Seeing the 3 knights lined up was possibly the most cursed chess thing I’ve ever seen in my life
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Only bot I can beat
This feels like 2 people are arguing to let the other person win
This is an interesting idea but it would be better if stockfish could calculate knowing the opponent will choose the worst move himself!
This is what I was thinking!
Agreed, I think that the game would look quite different if both sides were trying to prevent the opponent from having any losing moves.
Ooh
I had the same idea but you explained it better than me. I was thinking to make it play to try to force the opponent to win with checkmate, if that's even possible
Yes there were times where white could force the black king to take it and same with the black Queen and white king
The 5:00 is one of the more interesting parts of the game imo. With the queen already hanging the absolute worst thing to do is entomb your own pieces so they cannot join in the attack on the king, while weakening your light squares to ensure the king has the maximum number of escape routes. It is weirdly instructional in a way.
I also find it funny how in the lategame, it found promoting to a knight to be frequently one of the worst moves since it removes your ability to promote to a queen
I could see this being a fun human game, where each player adds up their advantage/disadvantage for each move over the course of a set number of moves, and whoever has the cumulative worst total at the end wins.
"Not like that, not like.. that"
16:19 connect 3 knight variation, first time to ever happen POG
I’m sadistically wondering if you did this with mismatched engines what would happen. Would the stronger engine succeed in losing more efficiently?
Dang it now I wanna know too
Anything that isn't worstfish regardless of it's ELO strength would win
I find it interesting that a capture would be the worst possible move this often. I know that there are many positions where capturing would be the worst move, but I had no idea that it would come up this often.
Chess, but it’s a cold war and nobody actually wants to fight each other, and everybody has an obsession with horses
I'd like to see an AI that chooses the most losing move with the assumption that the opponent is trying to lose first. They'd probably find ways to compel the opponent to mate them, such as by checking the opponent where their only valid move is to mate back
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Or they would play the longest game ever (assuming that they would avoid position repetition)
"I'm not going to remind you every turn it's playing the worst move possible every turn" proceeds to do it every over turn
well he technically wasn't lying; he did indeed not do it every turn
6:43 is a perfect example of worstfish’s flaws. If it was a person who knew they were playing a bot told to loose and they wanted to play the move that would end with themselves in a worse position they would take b4 with the queen and force the king or bishop to take it
Yes! It's playing for the position that it's hardest to win from, rather than the position that it's easiest to force a loss from.
It is interesting how all the pieces avoid the center proving it is where you want to be.
Take a shot every time Levy reminds us that the engines are playing the worst possible moves.
ahsjssks,,slla,s.ospa;
I’m a child 😐
Not trying to die of alcohol poisoning tonight!
I was really hoping you were going to show the M39 with the 3 knights lol
27*
i wanted to see the mate in 40
my engine showed m28 as follows: 1. kxf3 kb4 2. nc2+ kc5 3. nc7 kd6 4. nde6 ke5 5. ne3 kf6 6. ke4 kg6 7. ncd5 kf7 8. kf5 ke8 9. ke5 kd7 10. ndc7 kc6 11. ned5 kd7 12. nd4 kc8 13. kd6 kb8 14. kc6 kc8 15. nde6 kb8 16. nb6 ka7 17. nc5 kb8 18. n5a6+ ka7 19. nc8# the checkmate position is with the knights on a6, c7, and c8, white king on c6, black king on a7
@@StraightEdgeZap 🤓
@@StraightEdgeZap thanks this changed my life
This could become a chess variant Chess but you have to lose and check when ever you can
I thought for a second for sure it was a 200 vs 200 elo
9:11 bro think's he's hikaru💀
There should be another edition of this where stockfish knows the opponent is going to pick the worst response, and picks the worst move with that in mind. Instead of attempting to blunder the game assuming the opponent is going to be reasonable, each side will be trying to force the opponent to win against their will.
"a perfectly played bad game is always a draw"
When both players are threatened to lose the game "or else"
Another great example of how chess played perfectly is a draw.
But white got checkmated wdym...
@@TheChosenOne20100 the bots were programmed to end the game in endgame so that a draw doesnt happen
@@TheChosenOne20100 yes but he said that if they continued to play the worst moves it would be adraw obviously
This should be a part of game review along with Great moves and Brilliant moves, like a triple question mark that says you played the worst possible move in that position.
(?!?) Throw
Ever heard of a.......blunder?
@@Shilpa_Kujur not every blunder is the worst possible move he’s saying a blunder so bad you couldn’t make a move that was worse
@@boaz5898 That I get, but the triple question mark is literally the symbol of a blunder.
@@Shilpa_Kujur no, the symbol of blunder is double question mark
14:32 you not gonna just stop by without saying "Hi, Mr. Wally Wallspider!"?
The line: 📈📉📈📉📈📉📈📉📈📉📈📉📈📉📈📉📈📉📈📉
I think it can be even better: Currently it chooses the move that gives the opponent the biggest advantage, but the advantage is calculated given the opponent's best move. We should program stockfish to choose the worst move given that the opponent *also* plays the worst move. e.g. a great move would be to *force* the opponent to take a piece or get closer to mating you.
Antichess is already a thing, and I hear it's already been solved
@@lightlysal is there any videos on antichess
@@lightlysal This is not the same as antichess. Because in antichess capturing is compulsory and there are a few more special rules.
@@yetischwein oh u right u right
15:14 can we just talk about the stockfish normal version found a mate in 40 for black?
Dam 🦫
technically the worst possible move would be a sequence of moves, bringing your queen out early and then proceeding to sacrifice it forcefully against the opponents king.
That depends on your definition of "worst possible move", though -- and here, it's defined as the move that makes it hardest for you to win, not the move that makes it easiest for you to force a loss. What you suggest is a sequence of moves, not a single move -- and none of the moves that make up that sequence is, by itself, the worst possible move.
@@BrooksMoses that would be like saying the best possible move in chess is to take the piece on the board with highest value, only looking one move ahead. it is not optimal in all cases.
He says that he’s not gonna remind us that it’s the worst mood possible. Every turn instantly says it again. Lol
It would be really cool to see if the objective was TO LOSE and not to just make the worst move each move. That way Stockfish would find a way to force the opponent to take his pieces and possibly even a way to force the opponent to checkmate. Would be interesting
9:05 Everybody saw this line. Levy is the kind of person who thinks everyone is a GM
Gothamchess watchers trying not to think there genius (impossible)
Are we not GM's?
But thinks we didn't see the other mates.
Grand minors
@@echoonyoutube grooms minors
Best part of this video is just how excited Levy is about the whole thing
Forced mate in 40 is crazy. No one in the world could ever find that
I’m already dying after the queen tries to hang itself but black just moves it’s king all throughout the center 😂
Levy: I'm not gonna remind you that stockfish will play the worst possible move Also Levy after every move : bEcAuSe iT's PrOhRaMeD tO pLaY tHe WoRsT pOsSiBlE mOvE
His commentary made this video unbearable
I started crying when I realized that they play every move I want to play
The most boring chess game is where a draw results from each player alternately bringing a knight out and putting it back. To speed things up, always use the same knight each time. With appropriate collusion it's a simple draw for each player on the basis of repeated position.
9:43 Bro think he netflix 💀
The people who worked hard to create the smartest chess AI to find moves that even humans cant fine , watching this video : 👁👄👁
Is not fine is find and CUM is Crime Uproot Ministry In roblox
To be fair even the worst of us can't find these moves either😂
@@prohz9129 yeah that's next level of greatest that this two bots achieved 😂
Let me say, stockfish was definitely programmed to play the worst possible move
As a mathematician, I can't call this having "solved" anti-chess. We don't say Stockfish playing well is having solved regular chess. Solving a game is much more of a claim than being able to do well at it. It is knowing the entire game front to back. It is knowing, from the beginning, how the game will end if both players play optimally. It is a game between 2 players/bots that can see infinite moves into the future. This is not it.
Martin is like "finally a worthy opponent"
I love how Levi skill-fully ignores how much of an existential crisis the eval is having.
In a high level game the eval bar is unmoving, in this it is like banging a child against 2 walls
@@jnmarshmello2728 why would you bang a child?
This could be an interesting tie-breaker for events. Not sure HOW to balance it out, because you could just end up with kings wandering around the board for an entire game.
"Oh, there's a spider on on my wall...ON THE OUTSKIRTS..."
It would be even more interesting if they both stockfish know that the opponent will play the worst move (it doesn't seem like that now, for example in the opening Qe1 with the intent of Qh4 to lose the queen wouldn't make sense)
I though this would be the rule
@@pinadesecada2585 That's impossible.
@@jake8217 It's not impossible. Although it would not change a whole lot.
@@dasMoschustierit would actually change a lot
@@dasMoschustier impossible in the sense that "play the worst move possible on each turn" with the goal of "losing the game" is not compatible. In this video, they just had to play the objectively worst move on each turn, they weren't trying to lose. Otherwise it is like saying, I am trying to reach somewhere by walking away from there.
the mate in 50 at 16:03 when they're shuffling around is crazy
Right now the engines are trying to find moves that give the opponent the most winning best move. Next time they should try finding moves that give the opponent the best possible worst move.
It'd be great to see a version of this where the goal is to force the opponent to checkmate your king and take your pieces.
antichess and self-mate puzzles are the closest you can get to that