Driving the 4 Cylinder C63 - You Don't Deserve the Badge
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Finally, the fateful day is here! #C63 S E Performance driven on the windy roads of Malaga in Spain. No excuses of unfinished software, production vehicles, or anything else: today, truly is judgement day for the new four-cylinder hybrid version of our favourite #AMG.
I will first recount the history of the name, because today’s topic is of Identity. Mercedes might remind you of the 190E that Senna made famous on the Nurburgring, another 4 cylinder super saloon. But the legend of the real C63 truly begins from the W204 series and it’s 6.2 litre mega engine - a naturally aspirated unit also found in legends like the SLS AMG and the GT3 racing cars. Ingrained in my memory is Jeremy Clarkson coming up behind Richard Hammond in the ax murderer with headlights, something that left a huge impression on my young mind. Years later, I’ve now owned 12 of these incredible mg machines. Headlined by the 506 and C63 Black Series - this was the first step, and a hard act to follow. Despite our fears of turbocharging, the W205 proved to be an incredible car with superb sound, particularly in low speeds. The C63 Coupe stands out as the best, with a unique body and epic handling.
This one is totally different. No RWD, No V8. It’s a 680 BHP 4 cylinder engine, aka the M139L First found in the A45. In here, that engine is switched longitudinally, and we add to it the MGU H electric gas turbocharger from the AMG ONE, with a big AMG performance battery and an electric motor on the rear. This is the so called P3 hybrid system.
The 0-60 is claimed at 3.4seconds - I absolutely smashed that figure, as you’ll see! We also have to talk about the Boost mode, and why it’s strange. Plus the big implications of power to weight ratio because of boost mode.
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The badge is in my pocket. You can have it back when we get a V8 back, AMG! 🥲
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Ok mate. We can see you’re trying to prove this to be faster than the M3 comp Xdrive. But it’s not! You cannot use the Mercedes 0-100 measuring device on a downhill slope ok. With all the more expensive and so called hi tech engine. It’s clearly still slower than the m3/m4!!
@@kunalmore5212 I don't doubt the 0-60 mph times he's recorded on the MBUX. If you don't believe, check out carwow's review of this car, he shows similar timings as well. In straight line, this is fast as hell. I am not aware of the M3/M4 0-60 times, regardless straight line performance is anyway not a useful indicator in my opinion. There are tons of American cars with great 0-60 times, but can't carry speed around a corner. This could be better on a track than an M3/M4 because of the potent drive train and the traction, but as Raz points out in the video, it lacks the emotion and sensation, hence not the car for me.
@@piyushbansal4433 are you high on something? Because I just read you said it’s going to be better on track compared to the M3/M4?? 🤣🤣🤣. Please I understand the fanboy in you but come on have some reasonableness. 🤣🤣. No amg is going to be better on track than an ///M car. Let’s talk of something apart from that ok? Because that’s just a fact and no point debating on that.
Who gives a shit about an old technology v8 get with the times didn't see anyone getting mad when the bmw dumped the v8 for a straight 6 turbo in the m3
I think the engineers got too caught up in making a technically competent car but forgot that real Amg owners always bought these cars for the emotive and fun element
they had all of covid to figure this out lol they should have at least done a V8 hybrid or a V6 like straight to a V4 just killed it completely. RIP Combustion engines its only going to get worse. Our childhood dream cars will get so expensive & we will have to pay an arm and a leg just to get a V8 or higher if they even make them any more,
Which AMG buyers? Those that bought them for cheap second hand, or those that, speced the car themselves, established a relationship with a dealership and made a down payment, with instalments coming in thereafter? Sorry, but from my experience, I suspect all those whining and crying about this car are the former….
Brain washed by this made up global warming scam made up by the elites to draw more money from the public. I do like the car tho but this nonsense that we are all going to die if we don't change to electric is ridiculous
They didn't forget anything don't fool yourself! They just preparing nations for upcoming electrical car industry. In the future you will not have any chance to drive even like this kinda C63 amg it will be C63 amg but fully electrified without any real sound oder than fake from speakers.
@@magnustan841 all of them are buyers. If there is no second hand market not many will be sold or with huge losses.
Let’s be honest, traditionally, the drivers choice was the the M3, the best daily was the RS4, but if you wanted a monster, you went for the C63s. The V8 was the main reason you bought this car, it was what made it unique and unlike anything else in the segment. Also, making a car so much heavier, surely that is not the most environmentally friendly option, especially since the process of making and then disposing of the batteries etc is awful! I dread to think what it’ll be like to run when it’s out of warranty…..
The V8 at this class was pointless. You can buy a car from a class above, also with a V8, with far more power. If pricing is an issue you can obtain the preceeding engine option for the class above, for more or less the same or lower price. E.g the 550i with a V8, or the E53. Alternatively you can wait a year or 2 and the top end M5/E63s are now in the same price range. No brainer.
gladly americans aren't so climate woke and still be making v8s till the end. EU is done for, it will eat its own tail
@@ertugrulbae46it’s simple Brutal 8 cyl Amg > 4 Cyl anything The cars whole identity was the scream of the engine, being able to drift it with ease and just all around a fun car. Now it’s just like everything else… practical and boring. If you wanted a fast 4 cyl you went with a Porsche, the cars lost its identity imo.
@@ertugrulbae46 that made no sense.
Straight to the Scrap probably because the battery is dead and many more problems wouldn’t be surprised if the Engine by then is dead aswell 🤷🏼♂️ 😢
It'll be hard justifying getting the C63 over the C43.
That is sad were at this point now
It would be hard justifying a new C63 or C43 over a CLA45 S if we are going to be brutally honest
Except here in finland, where the new c63 is cheaper than the c43 due its a hybrid😅
@@miklu26no ways, I didnt know that. That is sad and crazy if that's true.🤣🤣
@@archiegates7740 💯💯🤣
Moment of silence for the V8
Ironic, huh?
More than a moment.
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I wanted to like your comment but it was on 63 likes and I didn't want to ruin that...
New AMG's will give you plenty of that - silence...😂
Thanks for being bold and telling it like it is. Lots of sugar coating around this car. The emotion has always been the reason to own a C63. If regulations are forcing you to remove that emotion its not the same car. It can't be. Not knocking this tremendous engineering feat but call the car something else. It isn't a C63.
I'd have put the V8 C63 on a par with Alfa's Giulia QV but now the Alfa is the standout car in a performance landscape becoming denuded of quality performance cars. The QV is my next car that I intend to upgrade to when the lease on my current A45S ends in about 14 months from now.
@@tigerpjmwhat do you do for a living bro?
@thegreatafrican3367 I'm a mining supervisor and got my Giulia last week!
@@tigerpjmgreat purchase. Enjoy it.
@@tigerpjm we’ll reach there soon Congrats bro
The problem of the last years is: First they swapped quality for marketing and service for digital toys. Then they transformed regular cars to an „AMG car“ (A35, C43, E53). And now they change proper AMG cars to regular cars with AMG Badge. Sad times for AMG lovers, sad times for good big engine lovers!
Quality is indeed lacking
Indeed. A great reviewer called Daniel Kon made a video reviewing the interior quality of the new S class, I was astounded and disappointed. Mercedes seems more style/marketing than substance these days.
@@Masimba The S class quality is actually good.
Exactly my feelings mate. No wonder one of the top execs resigned from amg due to this capitalisation of the amg name. That car is not a true c63 it’s more like an a45 or a cla45 in a bigger body. Big marketing balls up. I’m going to hang on to my old c63 and watch it increase in value. Regards
@@Masimba not these days been going on for about the last 10+years
Glad you came to this conclusion. As a C63s owner, we all know this isn’t a C63. Hopefully AMG aren’t too angry at you, and if they are the V8s are gone anyway!
Very honest judgement and a realistic summary of this car. Thanks for that Raz!
My pleasure my friends! 😃🙏
For me, AMG is all about the experience. Im not talking about lap times, nor how much G-force it can handle in corners. I dont care how fast it goes from 0-100km/h, neither do I even worry about the fuel economy. A real AMG 63 has always been that one special car in every class of MB, the one car that always felt special from the moment you start the engine. It doesn't care about your lap times, it eats rear tires like there is no tomorrow, it literally burns money converting gasolin into loud explosions and it makes a sound that gets every other car manufacturer envious. The new C63s E Performance sure is a great piece of engineering, it's faster, it's more nimble, it's more advanced. But in the process of achieving higher numbers, it has lost its identity, its heritage, its soul. With tears in my eyes, I say goodbye to the V8s. I don't hate you dear young blood, I just hoped the good old days would have lasted a bit longer. Sincerely A real C63 owner
I see your point. Some C63 owners will agree with what you are saying, but soon enough will become accustomed to this change, this c63 will sell just as well as all the others. A lot of C63 owners aren't necessarily enthusiasts but people with money who just want to have a flashy new AMG
@@vxsr33 If they’ve removed all the feelings and made it sterile, what’s the point? The new C63 is competing in a category it can’t win. I can’t believe they didn’t go EV at this point; this car won’t satisfy the AMG crowd and it won’t satisfy the EV crowd.
It’s a car man. Times are changing. You aren’t saying goodbye to your first new born here. Mercedes is having to change with all the regulations going on in the EU, and us as consumers either embrace it or move on to another brand. It’s as simple as that.
@@BrianHurtadoDesign What's funny is most people crying in comment section don't even have the money to buy the car. 😅
As an owner of a the last V8, I saw this coming. I agree with you it should not have the c63 badge. The looks of this car, they should have have given us 1 last V8. But the good thing is my C63 will increase in value
How do you know your car will increase in value ? Just because it's the last V8? There are plenty of V8s out there that I'm sure will not increase in value over the next few years? What makes the C63S V8 special to the point that it will increase in value?
It'll probably keep a steady value , I don't know about "increase" though dude. It's still just a Benz
especially since they stated, that this 4 zyl version was NOT a product of regulations. they could have went for another v8 gen.
@@coreypatterson1386 Jesus!, the people who are commenting on your view are not AMG fans or even CarGuys. AMG cars are not just Mercedes Benz cars they far more special, much more. The prices of looked after AMG special; cars like the black Series always go up. The SLS Black Series increase over 300% in my country, And the new Black Series is going for $1 200 000 in my country. The SL black series is about Half a Million. Corey know that his car will increase because is fan of AMG and any CarGuy knows that Special AMG cars always appreciate in price. Especially the Bracy guy, don't know anything about cars. Enjoy your V8 Corey.
Black series are ultra rare limited runs and so they will appreciate. I think the c63s will lose value much slower. Agreed that some fine examples with low mileage may go up a bit, it’s doubtful the situation will ever be as it is with black series. If you’re lucky to own one of these cars, enjoy it. Always a thrill. Well almost, not so it seems in w206.
You are Spot on. Kinda reminds me of a few years ago when VW replacing the fantastic VR6 from the Golf R with a 4 cylinders. Smoothness and sounds were gone and I defected. Same thing here. I had the original 6.2 C63 and that new 4 cylinders hybrid is a sure way of losing dedicated customers. Cadillac cts-v blackwing anyone?!?
This makes me sad. The first time a C63 has ever invoked that emotion from me. Long live the 6.2 and even the 4.0 TT. U never realize ur in the good old days until they’re gone.
And the 4.7 and 5.5TTV8s too!
I remember being so disappointed with the 4.0. If only I knew…
@@jgripen969 lol right
Anyways never thought the day would come that my CLS 53 AMG would sound better than 63 AMG..
Dude I'm not even kidding. I swear my w176 a45 sounds better than this car
It’s a sad day! & When,not if, this thing goes wrong, it’ll cost a fortune to fix the complexities
Include the time of going back and forth to the dealer. This things looks like that Volvo S90 T8. Ask anyone who owned one and the majority will have to admit their car spent most of the time, not at home or on the road.
they said the same for mercedes 190 eveolution,GTR and many more. And it's true but these cars aren't bought for ease of maintenance,cheapt run etc. These are top notch versions. Great for those that can afford them, for the rest of us (well me at least) there's cheaper and less complex models,less performance too but enough to enjoy with.
Imagine buying this new and lost 50% in 2 years because nobody wants a early attempt and maintenance nightmare 😅
Don't people literally say that and every top fuckn German car these days? And have for the past few yrs? (As someone correctly said, not even the 190 Evo escaped from said sentence) I fail to see your bloody point m8....generic comment whoring for likes with very little logic behind it. Very much like a reddit post, without the extra text.
This thing has an incredible level of complexity. It will cost a fortune to keep long term.
Thanks Raz, you have confirmed my fears, a technically brilliant car, but emotionally crippled. 🥺
completely soulless
Nobody bought a C63 because it was the fastest option…since it never was. They bought it because of the engine. That’s it. So this new car’s party trick is power and they’re betting on an entirely different customer base. Might work, might not. Happy I was able to own a W205 while I still could.
Two biggest worst parts are that it has a stupid weird lag when you’re just coasting and go full throttle on the gas. Second also is that if the battery is on low charge you get only 480hp. I would rather have the V8 bi turbo at that point with all 510hp all the time.
Imagine the 480hp with the weight. Ugh.
But the batteries are constantly charging, and you will never go below 20% even if you are using the electric motor solely, the engine will kick in immediately and will start fast charging the batteries while keeping the motor in use. I don't see the point you made there, the lags might be present, but I'm not sure if they are that noticeable according to 3 different reviews I've watched. I think the big problem is the lack of emotions and identity, as Raz mentioned at the end of the video. Overall it's a decent car, I will personally consider getting one!
You can modify that V8 for 832 hp. The W205 is my favorite AMG.
My V8 biturbo C63 coupe has 600 hp, revs like a beast and weights 400kg less than a new one! I don't keep additional 80 hp for killing the soul of this car
Yes, well Klaus Schwab would rather prefer you didn't have the V8, unfortunately.
Valid point on the Clarkson C63 video. That video took the car to the top tier.
Love that video, even if he missed the apple 🍎
No one that buys a $100k+ car has issues with the costs of maintenance, or costs after warranty or complexities. I have a 2020 E63s and its rock solid so far, but if something happens after the warranty life, then it is what it is. You can always buy an extended warranty. My advice, dont buy an expensive German super sedan unless you can afford it.
Agreed . I tune my cars and live with it
The Germans’ decision to build cars that are unreliable after their warranties expire reflects badly on the original owner generation as well as those who buy used. The car’s resale is practically nil.
This is why I couldn’t wait to see your review you just say exactly how We feel about this lovely vehicle we all knew this was going to be the final product and we did had some hope that was going to sound better but unfortunately the engine won’t give that. This video make me feel even more In love of my c63s w205 2016 and for sure will be in my garage for long long time and will ride on those nights of quit roads and on those sunny days and I will be a old huligan reminding people that there is a V8 on the road 🔥
one here too
Thanks for your non biased honest review! It is very sad Mercedes is pushing us either buy a bigger much more expensive vehicle to have the V8 or switch to another brand to have an authenticate sports car.
Its not the fault of Mercedes, it’s only the EU with their pseudo-environmental protection measures. let’s wait for the upcoming M3 is will have the same powertrain strategy Promised 😘 It’s ridiculous, but people accept it. Politics should take decisions and regulation requirements independently of the technology. The best technology wins the competition and that’s it’s carried out by the market.
“Runs like Usain Bolt but looks like James Corden” 💀
Maybe you mean "sounds" like Corden the car looks mean not like a soft fat teddy bear.
Your graphics and production is second to none. Great effort.
Owning this after the warranty expires would be insanity.
It’s just a hybrid car. Calm down.
@@johnguidetti5839 with F1 tech
@@johnguidetti5839it’s a 2.0 turbo i4 making nearly 500hp. That engine isn’t gonna last lol. And batteries dont last very long either. This is a rental car. The N/A v8 amg is a car to own.
The prior gen v8 was what got me to fall in love with AMG. This car, while looking gorgeous…it lacks soul. Long term reliability will be a question mark with a 4 cylinder being tuned so hard and the hybrid system. I went with an X3M comp. While the 6 cylinder is no V8, it still has some character.
I suspect rubbish reliablity, problems with head gaskets running a 4 cylinder at that power.
You are, without question, the best reporter of performance cars. The details and the lengths that you will go to in describing a car are remarkable. Also, your honesty in describing the car comes through so well, even though you were hoping for more. I will say this car is a looker, and I'm not a big fan of the Satin finish. I'm old school and still love Black (040), and no bits of flacks mixed in. I love your C63 except that Yellow Stripe on the bottom. All Black. Again, thank you for another great report. I can't believe the place you used as a background with all the garages in flagstone. Ted
Having driven several AMG cars with both a V6 & V8. I always felt the V6 was never a true AMG car. That magical AMG feeling Raz describes here was only available on a V8. The moment I heard the C63 was halved to 4 Cylinders, I instantly knew no matter how much power they squeeze out of that little 4 Banger it will never be the same. Raz has honorably confirmed what most of us had feared. RBR did us all a favor and removed the AMG badge for now. I truly hope he gets an opportunity to put it back up soon! 💔AMG💔
U do know amg started with a v6 engine right?
@@Louisz14 They may have started with a V6 but they will be known for the V8’s. Absolutely legendary powertrains.
@@SPEAKTRULY yea but u cant say a c43 or a e53 not real AMG because its a v6!!
@@Louisz14 ofc u can say that. rightly.
@@alpha-cf2oi yea like youre the ceo of mercedes benz right?
Youre an excellent critic and reviewer. I think you nailed this perfectly. well done.
Nice bit of editing at the end too, good job 👍
The most important opinion of a KZheadr at that topic. I think also the best review with a real point at the end. A logic I can follow.
This review and car wow 👌
Thanks buddy
Will people be prepared for pay 90+ k for just 4 cylinders though? Especially as you can get an M3 or RS5 for similar money? I wonder if the SL43 will have the same problem too, 100+ k for a 4 cylinder sports car seems too much.
the price is justified with the mercedes experience my guy, also these 4 cyl engines are faster than an M3 or RS5 and are track monsters.
the sl is struggling to be sold no matter the version becase sl 63 is too expensive and power to performance is bad and for the money 911 4 gts is faster and better made and sl43 in my country in capital i know that from the start they sit still for sale no1 bought any from 9 for sale for over 6 months
@@andreidragomir4460 😂😂😂😂😂 the m3 laps it and rs5 too that 4cyl is bad for a car like that thats why they don't sell anywhere and sit at dealers
@@jz4780 no, this 4 cyl literally beats an m3, even the e92, and an rs5. have you even driven it or seen it in a track?🥱
@@jz4780 i mean shxt, even the 421 hp 4 cyl from cla 45s beats an m3 and an rs5, you don't know shxt about cars my friend😹
This AMG is the best C43 they have made. Brilliant.
I Just LOVE This Video ! Thank You !!! Merry Christmas !
First time viewer and I subscribed immediately after seeing your video edits of the different models. So clean and great graphics wow.
I was really waiting for a reference to the w203 c32/55 at the beginning… absolutely loved that gen.
Lord in Heaven this thing makes my Focus ST sound like a Lamborghini 😂
Perhaps 'C45S E-Performance' would work better? This doesn't sound like a true 63 at all (no rumble, roar, growl, nothing......).
Much better
The Giulia Quad sounds much better too! 🇮🇹
The 4.0 never convinced me but this is an insult.
Thanks for your honesty. If Mr AMG himself says Mercedes have not hit the mark with this one, then we ought to believe it.
Your videos are nice to watch! Some great editing!
loved that you took the badges with you!!
To be honest it doesn’t sound as terrible as I thought it would. Sticking with my W205 C43 though, that V6 sounds fantastic
I still have my 507 edition w204 and it still puts a smile on my face every single drive. I have a tuned w205 which is mental in a straight line but something about that na power will always hold a special place in my heart. Was in the market for something with awd recently and just not a fan of the newer vehicles. Ended up picking up a 2015 rs5 and what a soul that car has.
Keep it as long as you can for sure. I never drove one until my friend got one and it’s not even the 507. Crazy fun car and he has a straight pipe, the thing is so intoxicating.
Also, I had a C300 loaner. I hate the cheap interior. There's now no reason to buy a C over a CLA. They failed to exalt the 206 C class in light of the fabulous A-class platform cars. I truly hoped and expected they would move the interior upscale. Some thing I was okay with. But it is absolutely unacceptable quality for 50k USD - even if you are okay with the overall design of the interior being dominated by screens. For 100k USD in the AMG, they absolutely must improve the materials. A new steering wheel and seats are simply not enough.
I am going to hold on to my w204 for life..this is sad.
My Dad had the 190E 2.3-16 and that's what got me excited a sporty Mercedes. Then Jeremy Clarkson got me to actually buy the first of the C63 models when he test drove it and called it an axe murder with headlights! lol!
Good example of how synthetic driving experience can get.
a hybrid with a 400+ hp 4-banger and a small battery that gets discharged and recharged multiple times a drive. perfect combination for excellent longevity thats for sure.
500kg battery small?
Thank you for saying it how it is. Makes me even more grateful that I’ve got a V8 W205 coupe to cherish
The biggest and heaviest a c63 could ever be but with tiniest engine you couldn't even imagine in a c63. How the turntables turned.
OMFG, I HATE when they say "Brutal", that IvanSensei guy does it in every video 💀. I got a great drinking game, too. Take a shot every time a the German KZheadr says "also". 😩
BRUUUUTAAAAHLLLLL😂
I took my 2019 e450 coupe back to merc, 44k worth of car, felt emotionless, not to mention all the electrical issues. Disconnected drive and almost silent. Best thing about it was ambient lighting that it. Took it back and got myself a 2013 541bhp V8 decatted and remapped beast!. I can't wait to wake up everyday, start it up and smile everyday, smile all the way to work and when I park it I always look back. W204 is the best ever made! Oh ....downshifts! Say no more! This new one just reminds me of a expensive big car. Nothing else
Your honesty is much appreciated, we all feel the same 😢
In reality, this is the C200e AMG 😃
You have nailed it 100%! Tech can never replace heritage just like that. The C63 culture at it's heart, is a V8, why step so far out of that mould and then "insult" it with clever technology? I'm still trying to wash the frown of my car's face - W204 C63 Edition 507.
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How does the 507 drive? This new C63 speaks to me better as a relatively inexperienced driver. I also associated C63s of old being so tail-happy, uncontrollable tyre smokers when you drive it as it should be driven.
@@magnustan841 but who actually drives it that way?how many people have the ability to push these cars to those limits?realistically?not many. So it’s pointless to get these cars based on those merits if you can’t do the same. Personally I can’t talk about the c63, only been in one twice, for 2 short drives.I was a passenger. But having owned my f80 M3 for almost 5yrs now, and a e90 V8 M3 and 135i before it, I can tell you, even though I love to get the back end out and powerslide out of corners, even after all these years (and a BMW M high performance driving course) later, I still can’t do what Chris Harris or the Stig does on tv. Those skills take years or many hours on the track to achieve imo. So in short, if you like the car when driving it, just get it, don’t be bothered about “what it can do”, most people will never be able to extract 70% of what these cars are capable of, but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t get one. Just have fun with it and be safe.
@@magnustan841 The 507 is one of the more predictable cars I have owned. It can be a handful if you behave like a hooligan and switch the driver's aids off. Then again she can be a real lady in comfort mode and just lazely motor around town. You would never say that you have nuke under the bonnet when driving in comfort mode. But switch to sport plus and you have a real animal on hour hands but still very predicatable. Tyres can be an expense yes. All in all, a great car to have in the collection amoung the A45 and C55.
AMG engineers are the guys that sit in the back of the class, throw eggs at the teacher and fart loudly. In this instance the principal dropped into the class, lectured them on how throwing eggs wastes vital food and farting enlarges the hole in the ozone layer, and were then told them to behave or they'd be expelled. So they built what they were told to build, not what they wanted to build. And here we have it. A four banger AMG. My God. What a miserable world.
This was a great review buddy 👌 i very rarely watch any car content on youtube any more, i cant stand the in your face over enthusiasm to try and drive views. I like that you speak properly and dont use "innit" Subscribed 👍
The people at AMG dont know what they stand for
They have this fabulous I6 mild hybrid motor that is one of the most advanced and pleasant motors in the world. I don't know why they barely use it. Its one of Mercedes' newest designs and its a smash hit. It feels like they are phasing it out already. Secondly, I get how the incomprehensibly stupid euro regulations are restricting Merc/AMG. However, I don't get why they can't use their prize 6/8 Cyl in the relatively low-volume AMG. They will still sell boatloads of 4cyl in the non-performance models, which allows them to meet the requirements. Imma buy a BMW if I must.
You have no idea how many times i've mentioned this mate - you are 100% spot on! The 3.0 turbo six + 48V mild hybrid, like the E53 unit - if they put that into an theoretical C53 or C63 under the pretense of downsizing due to emissions, i think very few petrolheads would bat an eye - it's still a 3.0 straight six, great engine config in any case. Shame, that engine actually fits the C class even more than the E53 in my book.
@@vukasinvlajic152 I have the 18' E400 Coupe which has the old 3.0TT V6. I have driven the i6 mild hybrid in the 2022 E450 and the thing is a huge upgrade in terms of power delivery and smoothness. Its great on MPG. Its great on emissions. Pair it with the AMG transmission and you have your sweet spot! I would even be happy if the E63 had this current 680bhp 4cyl so long as the e43 had the i6 mild hybrid with around 480bhp. It would confuse people that the engine with more cylinders had less power in a lower-tier car. But give us the option!
Anything decided / touched by the 🇪🇺 turns into dog shit
Great review. This is how I know would feel. I do miss my w205 c63. My e63s does just as much if not more then this one. I’ll stick to it.
i bought one of the last C43 as i needed 4x4 where i live. i suspected this would happen so i had it upgraded by brabus to 450 bhp and 600 plus torque and its amazing the sound seems to have got louder and it pops and bangs everywhere.. M3 estate next i think
The technology of the newest C63 is impressive. I'll give it that. But if that's a 2.0L motor they should call it a C20 AMG, not a C63. They should have done away with C63 when they did away with the M156 motor. Just my opinion though, as an owner of a 2014 C63 2 door.
Honestly I prefer the inline 4 engine over the old V8. It has higher power to weight ratio. What I'm not fine with is how much weight they've added back with the sound deadening and interior.
@@IR-xy3ij hey, if that's what you like, great. Just sayin they shouldn't call it a C63 if it doesn't have the "63" motor in it. But hey, that's just my opinion as well. I'll give them credit for what they've done with the inline 4 and all that. And really? How much weight was added to it? Mine weighs 3816 pounds
@@JustinSmithPYRO The engine saved at least 200 lb, and assuming the hybrid system weighed 600 lb, the weight added in the interior would be in the 400-500 lb range. I'm very confident in the estimate given how quiet it is on the inside. I've heard that the windows are even double layered to reduce noise, and these windows are extremely heavy.
@@IR-xy3ij I bet those windows are heavy. Damn hope they have beefy window motors for them
Im now waiting for some dude to rip out the 4 pot and shove the 4.0l V8 in
You will rarely ever see a Mercedes with a engine swap
Appreciate the honesty considering you are a loyal AMG buyer. I think the second hand market will do very well in this model now that it is no longer available.
I subscribed because of the good video editing and live illustration.
I wouldn't dream of owning this car - this is for lease only. My god, think of the horror that would be maintaining this technological terror after the warranties expire.
Wow, is that new C20 AMG E-performance?!
glued on ipads in the interior, everything is curved to the point it looks like a basset hound. I miss the old c63 so much
Lost its soul imo, glad I recently picked up a 5L V8! Great review either way! Subbed
Little correction, G63 didn't have the 6.208 M156 engine at any time :)
Right wasn't in the engine from w205 only to begin with
There was a G63 V12 though
@@superchargedturbo Never knew those existed until now.
I spent all of lockdown obsessively looking into new cars. I started with a C63 estate but looked at every single other option. I watched every single KZhead video on the C63 and potential alternative and I kept coming back to the C63. I felt certain I was making the right choice. When I picked up the car I was ecstatic. I still burst out laughing when I’m able to play about with it when the dog isn’t in the boot. Almost 2 years later and I’m still crazy about it. I feel so lucky to own one of the last cars out of the factory and I genuinely can’t see me selling it. I look at this new model and wonder who would discount so many other cars at the same price and decide to order this. Surely an M3? A taycan GTS? An E63 ffs. They should have gone all electric with this and made a model 3 performance killer. Certainly should be called a C55S IMO
Me desperately trying to get my E53 Coupe before it's gone lol
100%. As a c63 estate owner, a full EV alternative would have been more appealing than this.
@@jamsxr or maybe changing the name and killing the c63 moniker. An ev or 4 cylinder isn’t a c63.
Literally me man !! I watched all this unfold since 2019/2020 sad to see it finally happen.
Should be called a C20 lmao
I have been a Mercedes-Benz lover my whole life, so it’s hard for me to say this, I hope these things sit at dealers unsold and Mercedes get there asses handed to them. It’s not about numbers it’s about wanting to own the car, I don’t want this.
Love that ending! I’m with it
It will be interesting to see how sales go. Will it flop like the EQ models (and consequently be offered at a discount) or will it sell like hot cakes?
At 680 hp probably going to lease well
Have the EQ models flopped? (I don’t know their sales figures).
@@tbn22 My dad's dealership is moving EQS-class pretty well. They sell before they even hit the lot or roughly a week after. He has not sold a single one below MSRP to his recollection. Although practically every S-class is sold before it arrives, especially S580s, for over MSRP.
@@stevenreddy6842 Seems to depend on market region, in some places they've offered discounts due to low interest. Presumably this won't be an issue in the future, if everything goes fully EV.
@@GimliTehDwarf haha
I held off on the purchase of either the G80 M3 or the new C63. Well the reviews are in. Yesterday, I placed my order for the G80 Comp xDrive, nicely loaded ~100k US dollars. These sort of cars are more about the visceral than just the performance numbers. Unfortunately the Benz is lacking in that department with the new C63.
Went from c63s to g80 xdrive. Loved the amg and especially the TTV8 but the M3 is so much better in all other areas. The awd system is unbelievable. The new c63 does nothing for me. Kind of a pointless car in my opinion.
The g80 is literally the only real option at this point and this is coming from a long time Audi guy that currently owns a giulia QV, and I bet that the m3 comp will still be fast than this pig!
So how do you feel about it after 8 months of drive?
Mercedes are telling us that this is the car they had to make, yet Ford have just announced that they are about to launch a Mustang called the Dark Horse with a 5.0 atmospheric engine producing 500bhp🤷🏻♂️😂
Yah man… Great review brudda! I absolutely LOVE my C63s!! I will never sell her! AMG for life! W205!!
How it should have been: - Mild hybrid like the C43 AMG - A45s engine reworked - electric assisted turbo - small electric motor (adding 20hp and 200nm of torque to help the combustion engine at low rpm) - 9 Speed DCT gearbox - Rear wheel drive only - no rear steering (because it feels awkward to drive) - Make it has light has possible (with carbon panels and so on) - focus on the driving experience (exhaust note, dynamics, feedback from the controls, etc...) Done!
how it should have been: - a v8
@@alpha-cf2oiprecisely 😂
ppl who will buy are ppl who doesnt have single clue about cars and amg or v8, the end
20:03 RIP small animal 🤭 outside it sounds OK but that fake interior sound would drive me mad after a while, another reason I didn't buy the 45s and am waiting on a 43. Great video dude, top notch as always 👍
Nice commentary and good insight. AMG stands for roaring V8 or V12 rumble and it’s only for the best of the best and if that’s not enough „Black Series“. One of my alltime Favourites is the W202 as 43 or better a 55 if you’re very lucky, W208 55, W463 G55 Supercharged, last but not least the W204 6.3 for the epic V8 Rumble 👌. Well all the people who own one of the older ones will see the prices go up now. Time to invest. What a shame 😨🫡
🙏Please Raz, I don't know how nobody told you, but please, you should upgrade your microphone in pro of the overall video quality. I love your videos and you, but your voice in all the videos sounds so muted that I always need to raise the volume to 100% to hear you propperly. You are the best catching exhaust sounds, but not your voice. I wonder I'm not the only one with this opinion. Maybe you can ask for one on christmas 😉 Keep going and have a nice Christmas!
Sad day, glad I got a M3 Xdrive, still have emotion
I’m confused as to who’s gonna buy this car. I’m a BMW person but there was always so much emotion in AMGs particularly the V8s. There were always better handling cars, lighter cars, faster cars, but they had so much feeling. But without that, what’s gonna keep people buying it? There’s used porches that perform better, Ms that are more nimble in the same category, etc
What a monster! 😈 I love who you went through all the troubles of blurring the speedo in one camera, and just ignore it completly on another camera 🧐🤣
We needed to see the launch 🤣
If the car flops , they'll go back to a v8 or atleast v6 just like porsche when they dropped the 4cylindet cayman gts , nobody bought it so they went back and put a 4l back in the car and the sales sky rocketed again
There won‘t even be an ICE C-Class after this so nope😂
This is just more proof that ill never get rid of my 507 Coupe ... sure it looks great but it makes little sense to me :/ C43 with bodykits are gonna almost identical and on the road soon I feel like ... Id rather have a V8 in there and just 500 HP instead of 680 with a 4 cyl
Just bought a 17 c63 amg s with the twin turbo 4 liter. Previously owned a c32 and have wanted a c63 since they first came out.
It'a a nice car but that's it really. All cars in this segment will be quick and fun regardless of the engine. What seems to be lacking here aside from real sound, is SOUL. This and many new cars just lack soul. And this is coming from someone who's had 10+ AMGs and 2 black series cars. After my 205 c63 coupe, I went for a g80 M3 comp. and still happy with my decision. I'm also looking forward to comparing my upcoming M2 to the 2020 CLA45 I had for a bit, which was great but felt kinda cheap for what I paid.
The fact that one of the C63’s most vocal supporters is disappointed in what this new car has become, and what it stands for, regarding the most important aspects of driving dynamics (even though he likes the car overall), says A LOT. I’m sure it will sell loads, but despite this, I doubt it will ever be remembered as a “success”. Only time will tell. Having massive respect for AMG as a brand myself, I must say this new C63 has lost most of it from me, even though a very capable machine yes, I can’t help but feel this C63 is all substance, but no flavour, no soul👎 *BMW M3 F80 owner.
I love 4 cylinder turbos but all hold a 63 to a completely different standard
You get 4 cyl turbos in dozens of cars for half the price or less, absolutely not worth AT ALL, Mercedes must be taking you for idiots if they expect you to buy this.
not bad sounding car for a V4 but there is just something magical about V8, especially the AMG V8....
Hopefully we will see some exciting aftermarket exhaust options on these!
For a fucking 2 litre 😂 not needed. Will ALWAYS sound shit
I always knew it. The V8 wasn’t going nowhere. It’s in the E class in the S class.I wouldn’t be surprised if it made a return to the C class later in the future.
Mercedes is going fully electric after this..
You're not very smart XD
@@gunterlauch2264 not fully electric because I read it in some regions they’re still keeping combustion engines.
@@Straightarrow213 where I live electric cars ain’t happening not for ten years at least!!!!
I am looking forward seeing new AMG CLE next year.
Good for you Raz. I drive a 2016 C63s, and it has more than enough power....but the sound!!!!! My girlfriend hates cars, but she says my car makes her moist.....lol.
There is nothing to discuss about this car. It's pointless. W204 will stay forever the best C63.
A c class weighs 4653 lbs This is insane!