196ft SuperYacht Hits Submersed Rock in Polar Waters
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missing the report in description.
A multi million dollar yacht owner can't afford a forward looking sonar ! Time to sell !
Ok let's presume for a moment that the charts were as accurate as possible, and this was an heretofore uncharted pinnacle that, with perhaps an ebb tide, couldn't have been anticipated. Are there any kind of system, forward looking sonar, ANYthing that could help avoid such a catastrophe?
@@justaguy6100 Yes, a large number of yachts are using a 'multibeam' sonar system mounted on the yacht's tender, which is then sent out forward to 'scout' the area the yacht wants to navigate in. Using such a system on the tender allows you to go into much shallower areas, but also behind reefs, rocks and icebergs - something that cannot be done with a forward looking sonar on the yacht itself.
@@multibeamer7714 Very interesting thank you, though I'm curious why a forward looking sonar WOULDN'T be able to alert the pilot of something like this submerged pinnacle. Relying on (I presume) having your tender with it's own sonar travelling ahead of you is unhandy in many cases.
Comapred to other Yacht crashes/issues in the past year, this crew sounds very competent and worked very well to ensure the best possible outcome. Great job on their part.
Oh very well, there are a few things that i would maybe to a little differently but im looking at it from outside and not in the heat of the moment, nothing they did can be faulted
Plus it was an uncharted rock in otherwise deep waters - not crew negligence.
this is a prime example of the Crew having a very solid emergency plan. they did a great job and should be commended.
no one's stopping you
I want to know why they were getting into survival gear BEFORE someone had determined the extent of the damage OR BEFORE the Master had piped Abandon Ship.
Having been in a 2 ship collision, USN, you can never underestimate the value of a well trained crew..
I was onboard the USS Mars, (food supply), off Pt Loma, Ca in May of 1979. We were t-boned at about 10 knots by the USS Cook, (destroyer). Both ships were going too fast in the fog. I was a Signalman on the top most deck. Their bow pierced the fog and then put a 6 decks high gash in our starboard side. We flooded the port side high enough to get above the waterline. Both ships returned to port under their own power. Fortunately no one was lost or seriously hurt. You can Google it. Both Captains lost their jobs. Fun times. Nice video here too. Thanks.
@Kenneth Johnson 1965 Caribbean on way to Nam…..spent week in San Diego. Not our fault but could have been much worse.. Esch a destroyer..
A growing number of superyachts that are exploring remote areas and travel to uncharted or poorly charted areas, such as the arctic regions, are installing WASSP Multibeam Echosounder systems on their tenders. The WASSP makes a high resolution scan of the seafloor and generates a 2D and 3D chart of the bottom. This mapping data is transferred in real-time wirelessly to the bridge of the Yacht where the live mapping data is superimposed on a basic electronic navigational chart. kzhead.info/sun/m8OwdLZ9baisjHk/bejne.html A Multibeam Echosounder scans with 224 beams over a wide area, so you don't miss shallow areas or dangerous pinnacles/rocks which you will miss if you just sample some depths with a normal echosounder.
Driving a charter dive boat ive bumped a pinnacle in a well known and charted area, somewhere i had taken that boat hundreds of times before, no non cosmetic damage, just a thump and almost time for a change of underwear...
These systems should also transmit their data to a central database, where they collect the data from all ships to complete the maps with such small and unknown obstacles!
@@Breenild systems like that exist.. and many boats contribute...
It's like finding the needle in the haystack without even looking for it. Very unfortunate but very well handled and without any mayor damage or losses. Thanks Tristan!
That's a shame. Nothing funnier than rich peoples toys get distroyed
@@RichardBaran No, what's The Shame here is Your Pleasure in this Unfortunate accident, would You have Chubbed Up and then Wanked off perhaps if someone had lost their life. So sad your post is. Jealousy is an Ugly Emotion,and Yours is on full display. Sad, Sad,You are RedBaranass. Now I, will take my moment and Commend the Crew aboard for a Great Job done in a stressful situation.
Captain, has anyone ever told you that you sound like and even kinda look like an adult Tom Daley? That's a compliment. Like your channel Captain!
Wow ! Fascinating! We enjoyed it thoroughly! "When Captain Tristan Mortlock speaks, we listen" , just like E.F. Hutton. Thank God, there was no loss of life. We appreciate the way in which you tell the story and actual report of data of this 191 footer running aground. Tristan we're checking out Blinkist here after this. One can never be prepared too much. One may never apply their knowledge rather it's a valuable asset to have in one's "toolbelt", if you will. Great informational video ! Warmest Regards from Arizona.
Sounds like the crew did everything right during this unfortunate accident.
Completely, there are a few things i might have done differently but thats personal difference rather than anything major... the crew did an amazing job here
As sailors we train and prepare for emergencies, and pray we don't need to find out how good we are. It is a testament to this crew in how the acted during this. There will always be collisions, fires, medical emergencies, etc. when you go to sea. Training and preparation are key to surviving and taking care of those that are unable.
Sounds like they were very unlucky but as you say done a first class job of dealing with it all. 👍
Still amazing in this present day, how little we still know about the waters we bob around on. Have had this sort of surprise more than once. Funny story, was on watch while transiting an area suspected of having pinnacles. Had depth alarms on and Mark I eyeballs looking for telltale foam around a pinnacle. Depth alarm went off. I jumped for the throttles and started to back-down..... Just as a porpoise broke the water next to the bow. ...... Continued on our way without issue. :-)
We know more about the surface of the moon than the ocean surface.
i wonder if he did that on porpoise.
Having followed a good number of vessels in Nordic waters for some time I've long formed the opinion of forward facing sonar being a necessity in waters rife with skerries etc.! Excellent reaction/response by the crew of this vessel!!!
A great demonstration for why emergency planning is not only necessary but those plans are not left to gather dust on a shelf and are made part of regular crew training.
I guess we're doing this:) Gentlemen start your engines! On the left lane, SYC, on the right lane eSysman! Set go!
Professional as heck! A great crew!
A totally unavoidable incident. A cruise ship had the same hitting an uncharted pinnacle in the N.E. USA.
There something called forward looking sonar
@@stephenburnage7687 but when in charted waters with no obstructions shown none is going to have their eyes on the sonar constantly
@@annsheridan12 Once you leave the well chatered waters of the US and Europe, you have to assume areas were last surveyed over a hundred years ago. Charts are therefore for general guidance, not permission to steam at 12 or 14 kts in uncertain waters. I am currently sitting in a bay in Costa Rica and I can show you two major rocks in this bay alone, in what appear to be navigable waters, that are submerged at high tide and do not show up on any charts that could wreck the unwary. My last bay has a nasty reef similarly unmarked on any chart. The prudent either stay well offshore or seek the guidance of locals (fisherman or coasdtguard) about uncharted hazards. The original explorers would send the ships tenders out with a lead line but nowadays we have tools like forward looking sonar so it makes sence to use them. In places like this, lives are at risk. I blame it on modern certification, which emphasizes memorizing COREGS over the application of old fashioned, practical seamanship.
i love listing to you're story's please keep up good work james
Not only a very competent crew, but PROPER PREPARATION ahead of the voyage in terms of equipment, grab bags, route planning and tings. There were so many touch points that could have led to a disastrous outcome. Thank you for sharing.
Some people just love freezing artic environment that is remote and dangerous ! I'll take warm sunny environment among palm trees and tropical breezes ! Thanks for sharing !
I was on the JRCC aircraft flying top cover and taking the IR picture 🛩 Very interesting read through of the incident report 👍🏼 Bravo Zulu
Sounds like everyone involved handled it amazingly well.
You are the absolute best. Love you man.
Thank you for your channel learning a lot on the operation of a vessel and crew and owner's responsibility. High latitudes sailing is my thing.
The actions of the crew sounded to be extremely professional.
Absolutely enjoy the quality of your narration and explanation of situations, Thankyou really enjoy the discipline of the crew totally professional 🇦🇺💙
That must have been quite a sight to see the yacht floating freely and upright.
This raises an interesting question: How quickly does something like this make it to the charts? Especially when you have an uncharted grounding that reports precise GPS coordinates.
One of my best friends was the second stew. I will never forget the text message she sent me that day when the boat was going down. I wish I still had the photos she sent me from the tender.
Awesome response by all involved. Thank you 😊
That's not going to buff out. The crew did a great job and no one was hurt or worce. great video 2x👍
Glad all were safe, a great crew and response to the issues. I see that it is listed and moored in the Carmen's. Great video.
What a great story. Fantastic ending. What a great skipper and crew. Thank you for this!
Well done. Thanks for a no BS account of what transpired. Sounds like the crew handled the situation with professionalism. A retired Chief.
I'm kind of surprised there isn't a forward looking depth gauge to warn of shallow water or obstacles ahead. Much like an airplane warns of mountain terrain ahead.
There is such a thing, "forward looking sonar" and why a yacht of this size and expense did not have it deployed is a mystery.
Aircraft use GPS and a downloaded map for terrain awareness. The Radar altimeter only looks straight down to give height info on an airplane.
There doesn't exist an underwater radar or sounder that can warn ships of impending Collison? Fantastic retelling of the event Tristan! 👍✌
4:11 in the video a depth sounder ( sonar ) was being used.
@@starbolin Yeah, but it obviously only recorded the depth, not what was in front of the yacht. I'm not sure what kind of equipment would be used to see in front of the boat under water, but there has to be some equipment that can do that. Maybe it's way too expensive, but in todays tech, it must exist, no?
@@TOM-C. Yes there are such devices. Essentially sonar or echo sounder looking in the horizontal plane as opposed to the vertical. Mine avoidance sonar does the same thing by looking ahead in the near surface spectrum of the water column, albeit looking for small metallic object as opposed to land.
@@csjrogerson2377 Logic told me there was, but why are they not on the average yacht especially ones that travel long distances into unknown territory like this yacht? I know they normally use maps, likely electronic ones these days to see depths, and possible problems below the water, like big rocks. Has anyone checked to see if that rock they hit is on the map, and should have been avoided by an alert crew? Not trying to blame, just real curious why this boat hit a big rock! 😁👍✌
The crew did a great job considering the situation.
Sounds like an exemplary response to an unfortunate incident. Kudos to the master and their crew. The result of the grounding could have been a lot worse, but it sounds like they were fully and proactively prepared for any outcome. Well done.
Very well done by the crew!
Very professional insights. Huge thanks for the reviews and the explanations. 👍👍👍
Very well done ~ when emergencies happen is when you find out how well you training was. The ocean can kill you, be careful and ready. Thanks Tristan.
Sounds like this was handled pretty well by crew.. Glad no loss of life.. Thanks for the informative video!
Excellent actions by Captain and crew as well as government agencies - well done everyone!
Thanks for this. It has confirmed my decision to have a forward arc Sonar fitted on to my next yacht, as a sensible precaution, and very worthwhile expenditure. 👍🙂🇬🇧🏴🇺🇲🍁
While one could argue 14 knots is to fast in such waters without a pilot on board. I would also comment that Greenland/ Danish government’s long time ago should have charted the waters along this coastline. I know we have a longer history doing charting but afaik the Norwegian coastline with fjords are very well charted - I would expect no less from Greenland
Thank you for your comment adding on my spec of my boat too.
absolutely fascinating, glad everyone was safe. It's interesting the yacht still seems to be being chartered in those waters.
Very well managed by the crew, hats off to them
Thank you for the information.
Commendable performance by crew.
Dang, this was much better / more interesting than expected. We have a 34’ sailboat on the Chesapeake that draws 5.5’. The Bay is SHALLOW and well marked with reds and greens. But, every base is impossible to map. We hope that a nice red marker will be set on this rock. This crew was amazing, professional, trained, prepared….nice!
The most important matter this is not that you somehow got into a serious circumstance, the real test of a person or group is how you deal and respond to the unfortunate circumstance. Training, preparedness and cool heads are needed. This Master, owner and crew apparently had it all.
Since the incident, has there been placed a warning beacon/marker?
full credit to that crew......saved that boat.......
"Very loud noises"...sounds like when I heard a "loud bang" when I was bringing my Lotus Esprit home. Unexpected sounds like that, or the sudden absence of sound in an aircraft, is always the harbinger of a "bad thing" happening. Captain, if you ever decide on a second career, your voice would be perfect for "books on tape".
Great everyone is safe and the yacht survived to sail another day.it pays to have a good Captain and crew !! Well done!!
Nice review, thanks. Detailed log books and Post loss reviews so nb
Really loved this video
The area where the vessel ran aground should have been marked not only on the charts but have a marker bouy in place showing an undersea Hazzard. The crew did an exceptional job at keeping those on board safe and doing what was more than necessary to keep the ship afloat.
Thanks Tristan. A sad story that ends without tragedy.
Hi Tristan. What was the Yacht's primary means of Navigation? Paper Charts or ECS (Electronic Chart System)? ECS aren't type approved they should be using ENC (Electronic Navigation Charts). I have operated up there in 2012, we were full ECDIS but resorted back to Paper Charts as they were more accurate for positioning. I'm surprised at the speed that they were going as it seemed excessive for that area up there and the hazards e.g. Ice. Also, the Watertight doors open while underway. When we operated up there we always had the WTD's closed.
They obviously have an excellent crew.
Another great VID!!!
I am sure the northern location, also kept the crew concentrated on the task. They had a potential life threatening incident. As you say - 2 meters and within a very short distance 65 to 150 ft depths. You don't expect it.
Great see you a relatively good outcome
Tony &Susan here, I agree a first rate crew. As you described the incident I was thinking of all the things they did correct. Your worst nightmare and they did everything they could to minimalize the damages to the yacht.
I wonder who published the charts, date and notations. Also, did they have an updated "Notice to mariners" publication.
Interesting as always Tristan
An excellent report of how a great Captain and crew should operate during an emergency. Well done! Was this yacht equipped with proper sonar? Were up-to-date charts on board and used? These questions need to be answered for any vessel in Polar Waters.
Yep. Knowing where you are is totally different from knowing what's there. Been there done that.
Excellent performance of the crew. Obviously well trained, they implemented the correct procedures and that potentially saved the ship. Now comes the task of rebuilding the ship, but also one other very important item will have to come on the agenda: how many more unchartered rock formations are out there and should this type of tourism continue in this form and manner. Shouldn't navigating these waters be left to shallow draft vessels, reducing the risk of sinking of ships, possibly resulting in polluting pristine nature environments ?
What you're asking for is basically to declare a large portion of the world off limits to just about anyone. That yacht *was* reasonably shallow draft. The owners of these vessels have the means and probably now also the motivation to equip them with the best sonar mapping gear there is, what should be done is ask them to share the data. If you just prohibit people from going there, you'll get people who don't care about the law going there, probably with old, inadequate ships. You can't police the whole area (just not enough resources), so there will be people going there to poach, hitting submerged rocks and polluting the environment. Btw, shallow draft won't help anyway, when there is not much swell you don't see a steep pinnacle even if it's just 2 ft below the surface. So, why not let people with real money help charting everything, while allowing them to see the sights? These yachts are just about the best that could happen to nature there. If you scream about some oil operation polluting the environment there, just about nobody will care. If someone with several billions in assets screams, people will listen, especially if he holds a large chunk of shares in a company doing the polluting. Or if he severs business ties with them (denying them possibly billions in revenue). Money talks.
@@realulli that is basically ........... a load of crap. Up until now the only ones who went there were the people who live there and I may be mistaken, but I cannot remember any large accidents happening in that region. It is nice that you want to ask super and mega yachts to start sharing data, which in itself is a good idea, but you always have to keep in mind what the consequences of accidents in 'bad or uncharted territory' can be. Perhaps there is a reason why that area is uncharted ? The argument that 'these yachts are just about the best that could happen to nature there' is the most ridiculous argument I have ever heard. The best that could happen the nature in that area is...........to simply stay away. In the words of Chris Rock: 'just because you can does not make it a good idea'. I own a yacht myself, not a super yacht, but big enough to cause damage if it would have hit that rock. You won't find me in areas that have not been charted. I do have a sense of responsibility to nature, but I cannot say that you have that.
@@realulli the same yacht as a multi-hull would have a faction of the draft. That's why catamarans are so favoured in the shallow waters of the Caribbean, but aren't anywhere near as popular in the Med.
How blind we are to underwater obstructions. Obviously this one had been missed on the charts. But some kind of forward looking sonar is needed. Not just for this situation but also for modern racing sailing boats whose foils are frequently destroyed by submerged containers.
I have been thinking about that for years but it seems there are no forward looking sonars that are of much use. The view is so limited that you have to drive very slowly to be able to stop. But yes, if you drive very slowly they can help. Having a tender with sonar goin in front of the big ship could be a solution for very limited passages in dangerous waters. Edit: There might have been some development of better equipment, this seems quite good for the professional market: kzhead.info/sun/eNd7lNaQraltaZ8/bejne.html
I looked up forward facing sonars and apparently they're pretty common and inexpensive, with even the less expensive options mentioning warning of obstacles more than 100m away. Why would a modern super yacht not have one of these units installed? Maybe there is something obvious we're missing.
100 meters is not enough to stop something like this travelling at 15 knots. Let alone a racing sailboat doing 30 to 40 knots and the sailor is asleep.
@@johugra1 100+ meters was just something I saw on a
One of the things that surprises me is that on these large yachts that the tenders are not deployed in advance of the yacht to conduct hydrographic surveys with a data link back to the main vessel.
A growing number of yachts are already doing this by using Multibeam Sonar on their tenders, like this system: kzhead.info/sun/m8OwdLZ9baisjHk/bejne.html
Tristan, I am confused about some aspects of the report: 1. You mentioned the yacht had the Transas Electronic Chart System. Do you mean Transas using ENCs (Electronic Navigation Charts) or Transas ECDIS (Electronic Chart Display and Information system) because they are not the same and the term you used is a mix of both. ENCs are simply digital photos of charts with which the user can do very little apart from changing viewing scales, whilst ECDIS uses vector charts that encompass layered digital data which can be manipulated/selected by the user. ENCs are not IMO approved, whilst ECDIS is IMO approved. Autopilots can be slaved to follow the track of ENC or ECDIS entered routes. The First officer being on the helm and the departure from the track may indicate that the track following mode was not being employed. 2. a. The yacht speed was reported as 14.5Kn. The chart info at 4:06 shows a planned speed of 13kns. The chart at 4:24 shows 2 positions at 1900 and 1910. The scale on the left shows that these positions were 5 cables apart. Therefore the yacht was not going 14.5Kn, but 3kns. Something is wrong. Spotted it. The time stamp annotations at 4:24 for 1900 and 1910 are WRONG. Look at the distances shown between WPs 50, 51 and 52 at 4:06. There is no way that the positions shown at 4:24 for 1900 and 1910 are correct for a vessel going 13kns or 14.5kn. 2. b. The scale shows they were 1.5 cables from the shallow ground (10m line) to the south. If I was passing that close to danger going 14.5kns, I'd have all watertight doors and hatches shut. They were not. 3. The damage shown in the photograph at 6:40 is not commensurate with an impact onto solid rock at 14.5 or 3 kns. There is no other visible damage from this viewpoint although the port stabiliser is missing. That may have occurred when the yacht was listing to port as the tide receded. 4. The chain of events by the crew as directed by the Captain were rather strange: a. The call of "Hands to Emergency Stations" was fine. Its purpose is to alert all PoBs, get the guests to a position of safety under the control of a crew member and get the crew into their correct places to deal with the emergency. However it appears that everyone went into Abandon Ship mode with donning of survival suits, lifejackets and preparing life rafts etc. This is wrong. The first thing to do is determine the extent of damage - the First Officers job. Next, Engineers to start appropriate systems and isolate others. Third, Command to decide what the priorities are and what needs to be done by whom. It didnt appear to me that a thorough inspection of all the bilges were conducted, nor was it determined how much water was in the hull or where. Poor. b. It is not clear to me as to why the Capt did not let go both anchors as this would remove 2-4 tons from forward. In addition, there are usually fresh water tanks forward and they could be emptied overboard or transferred aft, as could any fuel (transferred only). 10-20 tons could have been shifted. None of this was done. c. The decision to remove the guests and crew to a safer place due to the ship listing was sound, but she was not listing due to water ingress but because of the lowering of the tide. Therefore the likely-hood of sinking was small, unless the Capt though that the list would get to such a degree that vent immersion would occur, leading to down-flooding. d. The grounding was at 1910 and the next HW at 0500. Thus the grounding occurred at approx 2 hrs after the previous HW. Thus the yacht was liable to float off at 2 hrs before the next HW, ie 0300. When the crew returned, the yacht was upright. It was not clear if she was free floating. They were lucky. If She was, She could have drifted anywhere. Having not left a crew member onboard, I would have let out a large amount/all cable, if not already done, to stop Her floating away. e. On re-boarding, the crew inspected the bilges and found various amounts of water. I suspect that most of this came from the broken shaft of the port stabiliser. I find it odd that modern yachts of this size do not have watertight compartments surrounding the stabilisers. All of the warships and my last superyacht did. In the end it was a successful outcome and nobody was hurt, but they made a meal of it.
Should they have been going as fast as they were in the area they were traveling though? Hindsight is 2020, but 14.5 knots seems kinda quick for a relatively narrow, rocky channel...but what do I know?
owner on board - always in a hurry.
Tristan, thanks for the fascinating videos! Personally I would enjoy them even more, if you would add some more value by explaining and commenting more along your reading of these reports.
Pretty cool.
Oh my go. How bloody long is this add.
Well, it's charted now.
I will bet EVERYONE WAS FIRED!
“Uncharted rock”; well, it’s charted now!
Well you can read.....not well but you made it through. A pre-read might of been in order.😊
Is there such a thing as "look ahead" sonar? It's one thing to know the depth below the ship but with today's amazing electronics, it would seem possible to develop some 3d sounding capabilities around the ship.
The ship found an unmarked, underwater hazard. I know it doesn't work this way but it seems fair to award the ship a prize for discovering the rock.
Really hope it was a good outcome...
Could active sonar have made a difference in early detection of the peak? While a depth finder is good for measuring depth it doesn’t look forward.
Tristan why dont yachts going into these types of water get fitted with forward facing sonar?
A very unusual under water anomaly that had not been charted before? The depth sounder never registered a rising seabed just suddenly a rock out of nowhere with within a very short distance of the grounding 65-150m water depth? Something sounds very strange as to the charting of these waters since the yacht had passed through these same waters earlier in the day, obviously on a different course line. A very clear and concise explanation/narration of the events, the crew all behaved in a truly professional manner and thankfully there was no loss of life and very little environmental damage. The only question I have is on whom was the blame for this accident placed?
Unavoidable from the crew's perspective. The chart was imperfect but whoever charted it long ago probably did their professional best with the equipment available. Ergo it has cause but NO BLAME.
I am no Yacht Master for Navigation, but I have been learning from different Channels of KZhead, that High Tide is Totally Different from Low Tide. It seems the Super Yacht Captain was going through Apathy and Forgot about the Tide Changes and or if not, the GPS Data was not Updated for these Type of Conditions pertaining to Underwater Structures {Natural Rock Forms}, thus creating a Similar Affects like the Present Area of the Bermuda Triangle through Inclusive Studies. Facts: Ships that have Sunken within this Area, is because of a Similar Issue. Feb. 10, 2022 @ 02:24
It sounds like the crew was well trained and responded very well. I just wonder if they could have used a forward-looking depth sounder to detect the pinnacle.
I would love to know how old the data possibly was, and if old, why they were possibly using that data, do u know and can u find out? Sounds like crew did a great job with procedures! Great video Cap!
pretty boat.... great crew and captain response. wonder if the locals knew about that rock? seems like fishing nets might have caught on it
I'm surprised they did not have a forward looking sonar depth sounder. Although on the speed they were traveling it may not helped much. I have a 30 feet sailboat and 90 degree 300yard forward looking sonar. It cost me $2K but worth every penny when sailing in rocky shallow waters
Hi Christian, I don't see the link to the report you said you'd leave?
So I am curious as to what the damages came to $$$ wise. from the ingress of water, to the damage to the rest of the Yacht due to a sudden stop?
Could and expedition yacht handle better this kind of situations? Thxs
Great performance by the crew. We operate a 12 M yacht in the med & are considering fitting a forward looking sonar system for exactly a situation like this. Could I ask you your opinion on such a system & following on from that the question as to why not have this fitted on a vessel such as this. Love your stuff, Its put together very well Graeme😀
I know someone who had one and he thought it was great
Isn’t forward sonar used on these yachts ? It would seem to me that would be an advantage, full sweep with a deep penetration 1-2 miles alarm .
... Cheers...
Bro I thought this was you in the thumbnail. I was like uh oh
Is there any forward scanning technology available that could have detected the pinnacle in time to avoid it? What about floating debris like abandoned cargo containers, logs, etc.?
I wonder what the hull material was. I suspect it was steel. But I also wonder how this could have been avoided. Was the instrumentation inadequate?