Boeing 767 BELLY LANDING! What happened?! | Polish LOT Airlines Flight 16
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LOT Polish Airlines Flight 16 was a Boeing 767 passenger jet on a scheduled service from Newark, United States, to Warsaw, Poland, that on 1 November 2011 made a successful gear-up emergency landing at Warsaw Chopin Airport. In todays video i will explsin why it happened and if it could have been avoided.
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Final Report:
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First Officer: pomorska.pl
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Captain: Ralf Lotys (Sicherlich)
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LOT Polish Airlines HQ: Kuryłowicz & Associates
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LOT Polish Airlines HQ 2: Kuryłowicz & Associates
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Factory: edge.rit.edu/
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Tunnel Vision: menziesrc.org
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Crash Images: State Commission on Aircraft Accidents Investigation
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Crane Image: AP/Czarek Sokolowski
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CHAPTERS
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00:00: Intro
00:26 - With The Benefit Of Hindsight
01:50 - Circuit Breakers
03:59 - Flight Synopsis
05:58 - Redundant Systems
09:50 - No Issue
10:44 - Top Of Decent
12:38 - Alternate Gear Procedure
13:59 - Missed Approach
15:24 - Holding Pttern
16:55 - A Little Experiment
19:39 - Briefing The Passengers
20:31 - Foaming The Runway
22:18 - Gear Up Landing Brief
24:17 - Time To Land
25:57 - Evacuation
26:47 - Aircraft Recovery
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Do you guys all read the same accident report lists or something? "Mini Air Crash Investigations" just reported on this a couple of days ago, and it's not the first time I've seen a slew of channels cover the same event around the same time.
I need to get the shirt he is wearing, that is my goal for next month. Petter, how long do you think your Merch would take to get here from Spain? To the US..
My question about this accident is, why didn't Boeing recomend to cut the fuel lines into the engines? I'm obviously not a professional but it seems like a good idea to distance fuel away from the ground as much as possible.
The 2 military planes 20:42 arent F16's, they are F18's. I know its only a sim but thought you may have missed that :)
@@ItsTheGofa I noticed that, too. Animation person screwed up.
Captain Tadeusz Wrona immediately became the people's hero. Here are two fun facts: #1 at the moment of that belly landing he was still a competing glider pilot (some aviation experts raised it as an argument for much better chances of even approach and touchdown); #2 his surname "Wrona" translates into "crow" hence the slogan coined after the incident "fly like an eagle, land like a crow".
:-)
Hahaha
That’s awesome! Did not know those two facts.
Nice to hear. Thanks for sharing.
That's great...thank you for this.
I'm from Poland, this was huge news. They were flying over the airport for hours, whole nation was watching live on TV wishing them success. The runway had more soap and bubbles on it than a party in Vegas. I still remember the interviews with passengers, who reported that the landing was so smooth they wouldn't realize it was an abnormal landing if the crew didn't brief them beforehand.
Vegas lol
@frozenhaxor Pictures of Vegas party or it didn't happen!
Wow no pressuse... I didn't know it was already big news before they were even on the ground. Did the pilots realize the whole nation was watching them?
@@katego370 I don't know that, most news stations got wind of it pretty quickly tho, and back then my classmate had a father who was/is an airport worker and to quote his words "they were shitting their pants" after they realized the damage done to the runway, especially the lights and the high voltage supply to them. They were pressured to work around the clock to restore the runway.
Dokładnie tak było, sam pamiętam oglądanie tego w napięciu z nadzieją że nikomu nic się nie stanie
Being an electrician, I can't tell how many times I found a tripped circuit breaker that looked like it was in the normal position. You have to physically test them with a gentle touch and then they will go to the trip indicated position. Possibly the jolt of the landing was enough to allow the stuck breaker to then pop out. It's more likely the cleaning crew nudged the breaker open without it being fully popped out. I say this because when reset, the gear dropped. If that breaker had tripped on a fault, it would have most likely tripped again as soon as it was reset.
Great points made 👌
Don't know about planes, but normal circuit breakers have the trip mechanism only loosely connected to the lever because people like to hold the levers in the ON position and the breaker needs to trip anyway so your house doesn't burn down.
Has happened to me before more than once very very true
Difficult to understand why the crew didn't manually 'trip out' the appropriate breakers then reset, which is rather what you would do in a household fault, because if there is a short, the breaker will drop out immediately. Note that I say 'breakers' because they generally exist in hierarchies.
The second (and 'tripped' breaker) was not mentioned in the checklist . @@pcka12
I appreciate the tunnel vision experiment because I noticed nothing in the background. It really helps people not be so quick to shove blame on the F/O and call him incompetent. If we are told to focus in on something (Foxtrot 6 circuit breaker or the apple) we won't notice other abnormalities around us (Alpha 1 circuit breaker or the tail fin and cats in the background). I've always appreciated how you always try and give us a reasonable explanation as to why someone may do something when pilots make mistakes, rather than just calling them bad and leaving it there
same!
it's a bit of a misleading one tho.. you're told to watch the apple, of course you're going to ignore the rest.... but looking at breakers is something totally different.
@@whoknows8225 The officer was told to look at a specific breaker, and they were already in a high stress environment (2 unexpected malfunctions + just before landing + waiting for 20 min in an already time-constrained circumstance) that would've severely affected his perception of the peripheral vision. We have an incredibly narrow field of sight that we can focus on at a time, so a breaker 30 cm away from the focal point would be far enough to just go unnoticed in a stressful situation like this. Ofc, we can always blame the pilot for not noticing, but it's really unproductive to blame what is biologically hardwired in literally everybody.
I only saw that something was moving from left to right bottom corner of the screen, but I couldn't see what it was
I noticed the tailfin out of the corner of my eye but mistook it for a shark fin. I only knew to look for it because I’ve seen the ball-passing video with the gorilla a couple of times. I didn’t even notice the cats. Edit: or that the flower behind him grew another petal
I always love the part where Mentour says, “that is going to be really important later…”
me too, he builds the story so well without exagerrating or sensationalisig any points
@@robertlonsdale3826 Exactly, so enjoyable without all the unnecessary drama we see in commercial TV shows of this kind.
Me too Suspense!
I actually had a flight to UK from Gdańsk on that day. I was past security and waiting at the gate. The news came on while we were waiting for the flight, suddenly the entire terminal went silent. Everyone stood up and watched anxiously as Cpt. Wrona executed that buttery smooth landing live. You could cut tension with a knife. Absolutely jaw dropping moment and stunning display of airmanship.
IM from Gdańsk
Yes, I remember that, too.
Thanks for sharing. I love personal story’s on the video I’m watching.
Sometimes I'm reluctant to watch "Mentor Pilot " because of the large loss of life in some the accidents. This one turned out with no injuries so I'm glad I watched it to the end.
What was it like after they landed so well...with no injuries?
Going into the psychological mechanisms is sheer genius. That's exactly how accident investigation works.
how mechanics on ground not works?
Captain Wrona used to fly gliders at different international competitions that helped him to land a big bird like B767. Also , LOT Airlines flight and land crews are very experienced , practically perfect safety record. I flew LOT myself a few times - great airline.
With that said though, that perfect safety record is only kept since the fall of the communist government, before that they lost two international flights (all on board died) and a few domestic flights as well.
In addition it is important to note, that the captain was an experienced glider pilot. It likely contributed to the successful landing.
1st of November is actually a national holiday in Poland (the Day of the Dead, no less), so pretty much the whole country had a day off and was glued to news coverages of this accident. It actually ended with some great publicity for LOT airlines, cause milions of people watched live as an experienced crew managed to masterfully resolve a dangerous situation.
It's All Saints' Day, not the Day of the Dead (which, if you really want to use this name, is the 2nd of November).
Nov 2nd is All Souls' Day but the Day of the Dead is a very nice way of explaining it.
Well I wouldn't exactly call this great publicity.. a in 2 ways preventable, potentially very dangerous belly landing.. (by better checking or just upgrading the hoses and checking ALL the fuses first)
All saint day
I also call it the day of the dead in polish idk why people are trying to correct it. 'Dzień zmarłych' is a name people use and that's the perfect translation.
In Poland this incident is often refered as Polish version to miracle on Hudson River, its absolutely incredible that noone was even hurt
Indeed.
No disrespect to the crew, but it was very different from the Hudson - this crew had full engine power available and plenty of time to prepare and make their choices, *and* a wheels-up landing on a runway is far less critical than in water, no risk of digging in and cartwheeling the plane.
I think that is a fair comparison, not least because when an incident writes off an entire aircraft having zero injuries is always a bit special. But yes: the point about prep time is valid too.
I’m currently going to school to be a professional pilot and one take away I’m getting from your videos is that experience never puts you above mistakes.
Wishing you many happy landings!
You should do an episode about LOT Polish Airlines Flight 5055 (Katastrofa lotnicza w Lesie Kabackim), the last message from the pilots is extremely calm.
Even a Smoleńsk crash 2010 because in Poland katholics gov talking conspiracy stories about murdered of their president.
This calm message was: *"We are going to die ....... Good Bye !!"*
In Poland we say "Lataj jak Orzeł, ląduj jak Wrona" which is translated to "Fly like an Eagle, land like a Crow", where Eagle is a national symbol of Poland, and Crow is a translation of the pilots' surname Wrona.
The reason the captain gave the order to the cabin crew to evacuate upon stopping is because he didn't know if he was gonna be alive then, so he gave orders ahead of time to abandon ship as soon as possible. What a captain 👏🏿
Actually it's pretty common for pilots to hit their head on bad landings and get knocked out.
@@jordanhenshaw Same difference honestly. The better way to phase it is that the Captain didn't know if both pilots were going to be *incapacitated*.
I can't stop thinking about the poor engineer when he realized that a single, and rather logical question from his side, could have saved his employer hundreds of millions of dollars.
They could have also saved those hundreds of millions by implementing the proper safety improvements over a decade earlier when they were first warned.
I'm from Poland, I remember it live on TV (few hours before landing it was already known that they have a problem), captain was called a hero for months and passengers saying that landing was even softer than usually
Pew pew
Thank you for this. My father , years ago told me of his own experience similar to this: he was a line engineer for MEA in the 70's in Beirut. He was inspecting a project on what i assume was a 727, that had replaced a hydraulic valve in the system, he went into cockpit to check the work, to sign off on it, and noticed a flap was extended while sitting there in the hangar, he knew that wasn't correct as the gear was down obviously but the flap was in the wrong, or opposite position a to what it should be. He tested the hydraulic pressure and all was fine, but wouldn't explain the position of the flap. He asked waht work had been done, inspected it and all was as should be, excepting the flap. The aircraft was due to depart imminently, disregarding the screaming management, he grounded the plane and began the project again. Replaced once again the same valve, and this time the flap ended up in the correct position once pressured up. The valve was sent to inspectors and found to be assembled incorrectly, somehow in reverse. Had they taken off, he said once the gear went up, it would not have come down, this too would have culminated in a gear up landing. We have a letter from management commending my father for his actions and thanking him for his perseverance. This video confirms my father's similar story. Thank you.
He probably saved lives! Hero
He potentially saved many lives. He went against management and put safety and people's lives ahead of money. People like your father are hero's my friend.
Why did they not mechanically crank down the gesr? The hell hole works 400 strokes later...down & locked .
Gear edit
Your father was observant, conscientious, and persistent. Thank God for people like him. We need millions more. I'm certain his actions saved lives. You must be proud. ♥️
You are one of the very few content creators, who is actually getting better time after time. Your videos are extremely well done and useful, you're not sitting on the good material you have provided but try to offer even better stories, images, technical point of views that really improve our understanding of the aviation world, and I am speaking from the perspective of "scared passenger".
That’s very nice to hear! Thank you 💕💕
@@marythomas1198 I'm overcoming my fear of flying thanks to his videos, not only they are overwhelmingly interesting but really helpful when you must fly and need to silence your fear of sitting at 35000 feet. Last month I took 4 planes in 5 days... it's nothing of concern for many of you, but it would have been a very stressful place for me, hadn't it been for Mentour and some other content creators that share knowledge.
@@marythomas1198 flying commercial is sooooo much safer than driving. I would fly everywhere if I could. And I’ve had some rough ones. Small planes where we were seated by weight and asked not to shift around too much during flight, and big planes that aborted landings and joined the circle in the sky where out my window I could see 15+ planes also circling, at different altitudes…still safer than driving for over 5 hours on I-35. I know the control thing is tough, but seriously, so much more likely to arrive unscathed at destination than if you drive.
@@accademiadeiserpenti I have an irrational fear of heights, still to this day. I took flight lessons. Still terrified but more confident. If that seems reasonable or even sane , lol
This is a great channel. Along with 74gear both are very informative and seem down to earth people.
I love the positivity you spread in these videos, praising the flight crews and really focusing on the good things that came out of the accidents. Never thought i could feel this warm inside after watching a video about a flight accident.
Same! Very Warm and Fuzzy! Did just finish taking some drugs *prescription* but yes very happy story!
Aeroflot vids are very happy too 🫠
Regarding the circuit breaker pop-switches, you'd think that each row would have a warning light in case a breaker in that row was activated. That way, it would be obvious. Much safer.
Having some indication of a popped breaker is actually quite a difficult engineering challenge.
@@tlangdon12what happens if u pop the breaker for the popped breaker
I was aware of the change blindness / selective attention (the original test with gorilla) so I did notice the tail fin. However, trying to be aware of the surroundings caused me to be off-by-one for the juggling so I failed the main task by trying to be aware of the surroundings. It's easy to imagine that under stress you would need focus on the main task so much that you would fail to notice anything abnormal nearby.
Yep! It’s not easy
That's a good point. I was also looking for other things going on precisely because I know how the test works, but I did completely ignore counting the juggles. It seems like what is needed here is a separate person performing the main task while another specifically looks for other anomalies.
I watched the juggling (Bravo!) THREE TIMES and was only able to see the tail fin on the second attempt 😂
I did watch the sequence a couple of extra times and I can see the fin, the pole getting shorter (imagine that being the fuel indicator!) and one of the street signs changing a couple of times. I still cannot see the kitty anywhere - can somebody give a timestamp and color to look for? *Update:* found it: bottom right corner around 18:05 but it's rendered under the KZhead user interace in case you have the controls visible on the screen. In addition, the graphics is pretty dim so it cannot be seen if you have lots of screen glare.
I counted 11 and a miss so not sure if i was 12 really, and seen the fin but not the cat. I knew what was the point beforehand (gorilla video). I think the more important the task the more tunnel vision is because you're really doing your utmost best to do that task. I can't imagine punishing people for it would help at all. I know people don't take their jobs this seriously in general and that's an issue as well but I wish in corporate world managers would have this mindset of learning from experiences and improving processes. Instead you screw up if you're unlucky you lose your job and it seems to be affected more by luck than weighting whether how much you can really be blamed.
I guess missing the breaker being popped is a great example of why checklist-based procedures are so common. When chaotic situations occur, a consistent way to recognise & correct problems is via a checklist.
I hope the captain got a reward for such a excellent landing despite the problems with the landing gear, to land a plane safely in such a manner and not cause a single injury shows skill and extreme professional work!!
It's a bit surreal to listen to these videos of accidents and fatalities, with a voice that is so calm and measured it's actually soothing to listen to. I wonder if that's one reason these videos are so popular - there's none of the over-the-top dramatics of some other channels or sensationalist documentaries, and instead just a calm, straightforward presentation that lays out the facts. Thank you for all the hard work in preparing these videos.
During one of my first night flights in flight school, my instructor and i were practising circuits and landings and everything was going well. He demonstrated a pattern with all the correct speeds, ctaf radio calls, and landing checklist flows and after that he handed me the controls and i did 2 circuits with touch and gos. But then on my third circuit, when i started to configure our little DA40 for landing according to the checklist, i noticed that the flaps which were electronic werent working, so i did a go around and started looking through the checklists but failed to find anything since i was nervous at this point. So i asked my instructor for help and he just told me to do a flapless landing as we had practised a couple times earlier. So i did that, came in about 10knots faster than normal, floated down the runway a bit, but finally landed and came to a stop. Then later after we taxied back to the apron, he took out his flashlight and showed me the flaps circuitbreaker which he had pulled out during that last circuit and funnily enough i had supposedly "checked" all circuit breakers in as part of the landing checklist memory items. It was pretty funny and embarrassing but all in all a great learning experience for i've never gotten complacent with any of the memory items and since this felt like a real in flight failure i learned to be more calm with troubleshooting things in the future.
Awesome instructor
😂.. Funny yet so scary at the same time. One day if you ever do become a teacher, you should do that same thing to your student.
The flaps on my aircraft only give a 3 kt difference in stall speed (53 vs 56 kts), so I seldom use them.
15:43 I actually imagined a polish man doing that,
Excellent pilots and cabin crew skills. They landed the plane safely without any fatalities. Never mind the aircraft itself. Another lesson learnt. Enjoyed your explanation, thank you. As ever, great video Captain.
Thank you! So glad you found it interesting!
@@MentourPilot the fact you can juggle and you pull this out of nowhere. Did blinkist include a guide on juggling?
@@MentourPilot I thought myself to juggle many years ago (when software compilers were a lot slower) not the most useful skill but I enjoy it and have juggled for an audience of 300 people.
Well outside the plane itself there was no casualties. I'd hate to see the repair bill on that.
Neglecting to push that popped circuit breaker was a monumental blunder though.
I don’t fly recreationally, I watch these beautiful videos because they so clearly showcase (more often than not) how wonderful human beings can be in a crisis. There’s something so wonderful about smart people working a problem for the benefit of life, I can’t stop watching. Thanks so much for all the time and effort you put in to provide a balanced and human face to so many situations.
Top comment this - The Apollo film always gets me every time _against all odds...._
Currently binging on your accident videos. The one thing that stands out is the research, preparation and production time needed to produce videos with the outstanding use of graphics, raw video footage, voice recordings, reports and everything else needed to deliver this well done final version that we click on. Excellent work to @mentourpilot and his team! Thank you for the content
I didn't notice what else was going on while you were juggling. I did notice that the F16s intercepting the plane were F18s. Good episode.
I was about to make the same comment about the interceptors.
lol whoopsie... idk if the flight simulator they were using had F16s (or if they had just mislabeled the F18s as F16s). Good catch, tho.
I didn't even manage to count how many times the apple changed hands🤣🤣
I notice, the cat, the planes, and that the color patern in his shirt change, orange up and blue down to blue up and orange down
@@hauntedshadowslegacy2826 this is probably the case. A lot of simulators don't have F16s but do have F18s.
One of the points in this incident that stands out to me, is the promptness of the captain's Mayday call. From watching many of your other videos, it often seems as though there is a delay between the realisation of an unfolding scenario and the understanding of a scenarios potential seriousness.
What catches me is how incompetent that engineer was, how come he never mentions that BUS breaker to the pilots?
He had hours to plan ahead. If the gear doesn't drop, that's an immediate mayday.
@@MrSigmatico When you flip a light switch and the lights don't come on, what's the first thing you think about? Bad switch? (i've seen everyone I know flip the switch several times.) Bad bulb? Someone kicked the plug out? Where in that list is "go check the circuit breaker"? Do you check the one goes to that circuit, or do you check all of them? Do you know where every inch of wire goes in your house? Houses are simple... how 'bout your car? Do you know the chain of every breaker? (there's hundreds of them in an airplane.) If you didn't have the schematic in front of you, it'd be easy to miss the main bus breaker. Of course, it would be simple to ask to "check all breakers", but that's not really "working the problem" -- that's looking for more problems.
@@jfbeam I am talking about the engineer not the pilot, I think the pilots did a sterling job here, I think the engineers is incompetent and it pisses me off that this is not mentioned in the final report.
@@MrSigmatico As am I. As an engineer, I'd have to consult schematics to know the entire electrical path of most complex systems. The engineer didn't think to check if the breaker even had power -- i.e. check the main bus breaker. They likely would've gotten there back on the ground where there's no stress and they can take things apart. Where the fuse block gets power is way down on my checklist. As I said, it would've been easy to spot if they checked "all breakers", but they didn't have much reason to hunt for new problems. One could argue the panel doesn't have LEDs to indicate the breaker even has power.
I had a pleasure to meet in person the first officer Mr. Szwarc, the uncle of my friend. Very humble gentleman, I felt sorry for all this stress post factum he had to deal with while investigation was ongoing and pointing on his and the Captains error.
I can only imagine the pressure those pilots had to go through. Even if I followed the procedures to the letter, I would go insane thinking "Did I do something wrong?". I wish them the best.
I don't believe you! You lie about your real name, for a start.
@@MichaelKingsfordGray they never said their name though?
@@Luminoxie Exactly. I truly despise cowards.
@@MichaelKingsfordGray you also never said your name lol
Many thanks for complementing the cabin crew. Very few people realize how thorough the flight attendants train for emergency situations. The training is on-going throughout their flying careers. This would be called a "prepared emergency landing", as opposed to "unprepared", and both have their own specific instructions. Great crew, great airline LOT.
Addicted to watching these videos now it’s part of my bed time routine now 🤣
Glad to hear that!
Sweet dreams then 😆
I'm addicted too! I love the way he explains everything because IT IS technical but he says it in a way we can understand
Me too! Petter speaks in such a comforting way😌
Whenever we're going to be in a plane crash with Petter on stick, he knows exactly why we're all going to die... ...and we will all suffer as short as possible. 🤣
Not a pilot or aircraft mechanic but the name “ Battery Bus distribution” describes it well if you are used to the term. In electrical distribution systems a “BUS” is the main line that feeds all the sub lines. Think of it like your home electrical panel. It has a “Main Breaker” that feeds power from the line to your home panel. The panel is your “Distribution Bus” On the panel are several circuit breakers that feed individual circuits, lighting, heat, receptacles etc. Normal an overload or ground will trip the individual breaker such as an outlet circuit that has too many devices consuming. But in some instance the main breaker can be tripped. So if you went looking for why your microwave has no power and you find that it’s breaker is closed and look no further you won’t know. But if you stepped back looked at the big picture and saw then main breaker you would see the problem. In this case the “Battery Bus Distribution” breaker fed power to other circuits including the back gear extension. I would like to know what else was on that bus. Should have been more systems not functioning.
Also not an expert, but I'd think (if I designed it) there would be some non-critical systems drawing power from the same BUSS. IE, using the power where it's close/convenient/available, like coffee makers. In that case, the 'major' system draw would get as much power as it needed when needed, and any non-critical system would draw the power when the major system was not in use. Like an A/B switch, or a priority switch. Hospitals have something similar, in a double socket one of them is for 'critical' equipment (and will be powered by generator when needed) and one is non-critical and won't unless replugged. An ice storm taught me this in high school!
Probably other systems were still running on main not backup. But if they had tested other backup functions they may have discovered the power loss. Why wasn't the breaker status reported to the fault monitoring system?
There is no way of knowing what "Bus" means to a pilot, or general citizen who has no electrical knowledge... Other than the missed breaker pop, no much can be pointed to...
@@sidb9540 During pilot training, one is expected to become intimately familiar with all of the aircraft's systems. The term "bus" is used extensively when describing the electrical system. For a pilot to earn a Private certificate, much less a 767 type rating, and not know the term beggars all belief.
I'm a software engineer and wonder why Boeing did not use the same alert system for the breaker that told them that the hydraulic system C has failed?
I'm from Poland. I remember this day I was in one of family houses near Warsaw and straight over it I heard and see through window 2 F16 fighters on low attitude going very fast, probably just under supersonic. Very very loud and house started to shake. Later I hear in news what happened. That was great landing of capitan Wrona and big news in Poland
I think the foam could help with the landing, for one if sparks come off the different parts of the plane, they're going to go into a medium which helps to keep them from catching anything on fire, so that way the fire dept. only has to worry about where the plane is. But foam also bonds with itself to form a barrier and I believe it's mixed with water if I remember from my lessons on fire fighting, I think this would for one, cool the cement, two it's helping to wet it down and put a protective layer there which I think all this reduces friction and cuts down on the amount of sparks shooting off the components making contact with the cement. It's hard to say for sure without doing a bit of testing but I have to imagine it helped the plane slide a little easier which probably helped it stay on a straight path and stay on the runway. Also, in the case of leaking lubricants or fuels which could burn, the foam is already down to help put it out immediately. Once again, this helps to minimize small fires which could be away from where the plane stops and once again the fire dept. needs to focus only on where the plane is. That's my take.
Exactly. I can't imagine how the foam wouldn't help mitigate all the effects of such landing.
You have to take into consideration that we are talking about an 82,000 kg (approx with all souls on board) plane coming in to land at a speed of approximately 278 km/h. At that speed the body will displace the foam very quickly to the point where it is almost negligible. Along with the fact that the aerodynamic drag pushing down with all that weight. The foam is just about 50 or 60 mm and it is a fluid so it dissipates pretty quickly as well especially as runways are made to let fluids flow away from it. WHen you run the simulations, the effects tend to be almost negligible.
Peter, I'm a fellow pilot and this has to be the best explanation of task-related tunnel vision I have ever seen. Great job! And as always, a fascinating video. Thank you :)
I'm suspicious of that explanation. I just don't buy that tunnel vision adequately explains how a bright-white strip would be completely missed when it was that close. The tunnel vision explanation doesn't work very well because most of you is desperately looking for that white band, not for the specific breaker the engineer is talking about. You're just going to be desperately scanning for a white band. You're going to be desperately looking for anything out of the ordinary. And then you'll find the exact one the engineer is talking about once you're sure there aren't any white bands around. An important thing to consider about electrical problems is that turning stuff off and then turning it back on again has a tendency to solve a lot of problems. The likelihood that the circuit breaker popped because something broke during the landing is quite high, given that the entire plane was totaled as a result of damage coming from that landing. The original issue was probably something very complicated that was solved by shutting the plane down and rebooting. The random circuit breaker that got popped was probably unrelated to the issue with the gear. I would imagine that they didn't try the gear before they pushed that breaker back in. I strongly suspect it would have gone down anyway at that point in time.
@@jordanhenshaw why
@@jordanhenshaw have you seen the video with the monkey? That's a tad more obvious and people still miss it
That video was shown in my AP Psych class. This video brought back some fun memories.
@@jordanhenshaw it's incredulous that the investigation would assume and not verify BAT BUS DISTR is relevant to the alternate gear extension. " The random circuit breaker that got popped was probably unrelated to the issue with the gear. I would imagine that they didn't try the gear before they pushed that breaker back in. I strongly suspect it would have gone down anyway at that point in time."
Petter can fly aircraft, he's an ex firefighter, and he can juggle...he truly is a renaissance man.
Ah, just you wait. One of these days, he's gonna show us his hand-made radio and foot massager, both built from toothpicks and chewing gum, lol
Mainly, he's a master storyteller.
You have such a fantastic way of explaining things.
I dont know if you ever gonna read this, but your channel has made me fall in love with flying. I bought flight simulator and I play a lot and have a lot of fun. Maybe If I knew your channel - or had it existed like 10years ago, I'd probably have gone into a flying career myself. Congrats on the amazing content! :)
Louis... It's never too late. I started skydiving when I was 17. Hang gliding at the age of 21. Paragliding when I turned 40 and ended up as an instructor. I also took part in international competitions - and that's damned demanding. And I was the oldest flyer there. Lots of R/C modeling on the way. And I also ended up as a longtime instructor. I've taught dozens of people to fly. So I'll tell you one thing... Stop the bullshit. :) Because I am now struggling with the drone and flying in small gaps. And it's not over... Because it's all in your head. And your partner either accepts and loves it or hates it. And you already know what will happen in the future...
A pilot, a KZheadr, a juggler - is there anything this man can't do?
Crash a plane, most likely.
He can't keep his cats out of the camera.
Talk english
@@abrahamrockers6265 We don't feed trolls here, keep moving on.
@@MrNikolidas He cant pronounce "Towards" correctly
As a train driver, many incidents of this kind happen to us because of this tunnel vision. Specially with circuit breakers. This is just human nature. When many and many informations are crossing your mind, and just a tiny part send logically essential, you can miss very easily a critical point.
can you give an example?
Yes, indeed.
@@jochen_schueller The best example is explained here in this video.
@@NicolaW72 It's not a train
@@jochen_schueller I imagine tunnel vision in a train is something like mostly pitch black, possibly with a light at the end depending on the length of the tunnel, and perhaps a flicker of other tunnel-related things from the train's headlights ;)
Wow, what a great story and what a great end! I am very partial to Poland and the Poles, having so many friends from there, so a Polish hero in the shape of Captain Wronka is just the cherry on the cake. Your channel is amazing, despite being a frequent air traveller, I never had the chance before to learn about planes and flying, so I'm finding your videos so interesting. And you are incredibly good at explaining the workings from the technical to the human side of things. Very grateful for all this, I hope to end up on a plane flown by you one day!
When you showed the pictures of the flight crew, I thought the video had an unfortunate ending, but it was much better than expected! Excellent video and I laughed hard at the tunnel vision experiment. Great way to explain ideas, as always!
That selective attention test was so powerful. When I became aware that there was something else going on in the environment, I missed one of the hand exchanges, thus failing the main objective. I learned something extremely valuable here. Thank you sir 🙏🏾
I disagree, the test was a bit irrelevant. The guy missed a popped circuit inches from where he was looking for a popped circuit. It's a bit different than missing it while doing a completely separate task. I'm not saying he should have seen it, I'm just saying that the demonstration in the video is not a fair comparison. A better one would have been to have another identical apple appear somewhere near the main one.
@@trivialtrav the best question would have been "okay, now, how many times did the oranges swap hands?" Even something that you'd been actively looking straight at, just not keeping mental track of, would have fallen through the cracks
@@trivialtrav The point is that people assume they will see things if they are within their field of vision when in fact you must turn your attention to them as well.
It's amazing how a whole plane is lost just because of 1 circuit breaker that popped out.
Yeah, it’s pretty sad
@@MentourPilot not as sad as if the pilots hadn't flown an excellent landing, though.
Yeah very small issues can cause massive consequences. Quite a few space missions have failed because of errors as small as a misplaced keystroke… mariner 1 for example.
"for the want of a nail a horse lost a shoe... for the want of a shoe....". At least only the plane was lost.
Eastern Air Lines flight 401 was lost because of a burned-out light bulb.
As an electrical engineer, we ALWAYS check EVERY circuit breaker when we have an issue. Even if there are not all related to the issue.
Same here, but I wouldn't blame the pilots for that either. At least for me, I know that I have several hours ahead of me to fix the issue, and if I can't within that time, my company may lose money or pay fees (that they can't put on me, this is illegal), but no one will die. Also; at least for me being in Europe, industrial breakers are either massive things with obvious handles to indicate their position, with big colour indicaturs, or the same household model Mentour shows in the beginning, with a red and green colour + a visible handle that has a normalized direction as well (up for ON and down for OFF, that might varies depending on the country tho). So not only are we less pressured, but also, the indications are much more visible. Let's add that all fuse panels here at are least 80cm above the floor level, unlike the plane fuses that were basically at feet level. And white to indicate it popped out? If we're to believe the picture Mentour used, the labelling is also white; meaning that they could have mixed the white colour of the popped breaker with just the labeling of the breakers.
Probably would have been a decent idea in this case with the time they had. There are a lot of breakers to check though and not much room to maneuver in checking them. If they checked all of them it's still very possible they would have missed that one because it's so recessed in the corner and low. They handled it well and delivered a safe outcome. Pennywise and pound foolish on the airlines part though. Saving a few hundred dollars in parts and labor cost them the entire jet.
One thing usually leads to another. Something you may think is not related may be.
@@LeSarthois I'm surprised there is no single "one or more breakers are disconnected" indication. Too difficult to implement? Would make it much easier to find such a problem.
@@whocares2277 I see at least one easy way to implement it. But I guess here you have a balance between cost, complexity and usefulness. How many times do breakers pops out in a plane? Even in catastrophic events they are never mentionned, or rarely. A simple start for me would be to replace the white colour (that could be seen, from away, as fuse labelling) with orange, or red. (red is more usual, but it seems that plane cockpits are not well lit, especially for night flights, so orange would be more visible. Or maybe even reflective yellow) Then, instead of pop-out breaker, use lever breakers, that are usually easier to tell if they are up and down. And ideally, put all breakers in the same place, and don't put any at feet level where they can be bumped by feets or travel bags.
You may be tired of hearing this, but you deliver a superb combination of technical data and simplicity and it's all done in such a way as to hold the avid interest of people such as I who know almost nothing about aviation. Well done and thank you!. God bless, Miles
Seen the tail fin, didn't see kitty nor anything else. But, studying Psychology, I can tell you that, in this situation, most people would probably miss the popped circuit breaker. Stress can make the best trained people do or not do things they don't believe they would ever do or not...
That being said, they did a fantastic job under pressure. The only nugget of psychology info I know is that multitasking isn’t really a thing. What your brain is actually doing, is rapidly switching between tasks and not quite focusing that well on either task.
@@uzaiyaro Yes, exactly.
Cpt. Wrona had an extensive practice on gliders in the beginning of his carrier. Some analyses after this accident pointed this out as a helping factor in such smooth landing.
This just proves a point to educate and practice different skills outside of your scope of work 😁
But he had working engines. This is a typical tv news that means nothing.
@@tomaszenko2080 Yeah, but gliders tend to not have the bells and whistles that jet-powered commercial airliners do. Most gliders have wheels that are almost flush with the belly (cuz, y'know, strapping your wheels to fancy schmancy sticks adds weight). Better yet, landing a glider is a one-chance thing; accuracy matters when you can't easily adjust your landing roll (a la aforementioned 'itty bitty wheels'). No matter which way ya slice or dice it, having glider experience tends to make pilots better at landing, engines or not.
Every pilot should learn to fly a glider - it furthers their ability. Before they get their license!
Glider pilots are often trained to fully 'hold off' their landings. I'm not sure, but I wonder if this may have helped in the situation?
That captain and first officer were amazing.
Mad props to the flight crew and cabin crew. Amazing job!
Incredibly well handled situation and incredibly well explained. One thing that got me thinking was the part about what happens on the ground when incoming aircraft declares mayday. Could you make a video about this topic in more details? I think that might be very interesting.
Excellent point. And we all know what a mayday call is, but how many people know what "Pan, Pan, Pan" is? Being an airplane nut since a small child, I LOVE learning more about air "life' the parts that most people don't know. My wonderful daughter had the great sense and wisdom to marry a pilot for a major US airline - what a GREAT son-in-law I have!!! And Thank You Mentour Pilot for another interesting episode.
Oh yes that is interesting. Of course only interesting when Mentour explains it, cus others would not know much to say about that.
not a pilot but an aviation enthusiast so when an airplane declares a MAYDAY, the air traffic controller is required to just focus on that particular airplane (which has called for MAYDAY) assisting them ONLY providing with the answers like closet Airport, vectors etc or just being at the stand by (if the pilots say that they need some time before making an alternate route) and also the air traffic controller is required to call ambulances and fire department trucks and to make them go towards the runway and wait for the plane (this could happen on the destined airport or the alternate airport) I hope this helps.
@@thomream1888 well as I have stated in my another comment that I am not a pilot but an aviation enthusiastic! so if you read my other comment (in the same thread) I have already explained what happens in a MAYDAY call, the only difference between pan PAN situation is that the air traffic controller can still regulate over other aircrafts unlike in MAYDAY where he or she is mandate and required to only focus on the airplane which has made the may day call. and also in MAYDAY the air traffic controller is required to automatically call for the emergency services even if it's not needed but in a Pan Pan situation only pilots can order whether they need this kind of assistance or not, I hope this helps 😀
@@lawyerpanda1856 Thank you, yes it was. And please note, that was NOT a criticism in any way shape or form. I was just pointing out the zillions of things we the non-pilot public, may not know or understand - which is why this channel is so very helpful. I, like you, am NOT a pilot. I had poor eyesight before Lasik and all those new technologies became a thing. That and I was a dummy! Not near smart enough to do that job. But I still love all things flying and have always had a desire to learn. Sounds like you've done a good job learning a lot about this subject as well. Enjoy the skies and thanks for your information.
I remember watching this when it happened. The pilot was such a humble man claiming that he was no hero and he just did his job. This incident really boosted my faith and interest in aviation.
Really?! After watching this video this makes me even more afraid to fly. You had a hose that broke that the manufacturer didn't take seriously. Then you had the pilots you missed a crucial circuit breaker. Something so tiny destroyed this plane. Glad everyone got out ok, but there have been crashes where people haven't been so lucky and due to similar type of errors.
@@rabbit251 it just goes to show how safe aviation becomes after errors like this. There will be issues like this but the main thing is how pilots are trained to deal with the situation and how the aviation industry picks up on these problems and removes it. Stats show that flying is safer than driving a car. There's a reason for that. That being said, it would suck to be on this flight 😂
@@rabbit251 Hi, Sorry to hear that you're uncomfortable with flying. Just as a comparative thought no judging; do you drive at all? As far as I understand it, almost all aircraft incidents are the the type that you can walk away from, just like one. I agree that the likelihood of surviving if an aircraft falling all the way down isn't high, but the chance of that occurring however, is tiny compared to all the aircrafts not falling down every day of the week. Of course the likelihood of dying in an automobile or any other trafic relating accident differs between countries, but the risk that you are the killed with the blunt object of a car is so much higher per capita in most, if not all, countries in the world. I understand this won't help you with your flying issues, but it might help some future reader to slow down a bit before somebody get dead by the blunt of object weapon they are wielding. Yours, Ann
@@rabbit251 this also shows that despite all the issues, no one was hurt at all
@@rabbit251 I understand how you feel. Even though Petter, Captain Joe, Dutch Pilot Girl and Gear 74 bring down the fear with their excellent videos. The dishonesty, corruption and recklessness of the FIAA and companies like Boeing bring the fear back up. This accident would have been avoided if a guard had been fitted, and the repairs had been made. Even though noone lost their lives on this one, heads should have rolled with the airline company.
You're literally the best Aviation teacher on KZhead. And the way in which you explain everything is so great. Great work as always Petter 👏 👍 🤩
Always happy to see when there's no injuries or deaths in situations like this. 🙏🏿 Fantastic coverage as always.
That selective attention thing happened to me the other day. I was driving off-road and up hill and hit some ice and my car started to slide. I told my friends and we decided that yes that as its uphill and steep and icy we wont be able to make it through, so we turned back, but during this whole situation I never checked my 4 wheel drive system and I latter realized that I was in 2 wheel drive.
If you can't even tell if your (depends on the car and 4x4 or AWD system - hopefully you had a real 4x4 system as AWD =/= 4x4) front wheels are not pulling/slipping to notice your not in 4x4 then you shouldn't be driving offroad. Just like a plane all drivers should know how their model of car works at a basic system level and be able to tell if a major system if it isn't working. Not trying to be harsh but you do that and slide off a moutain killing everyone you would of wished you knew the car and systems and could of avoided it. Yes most places don't require this level of thinking for a drivers lic but should be done.
@@JohnAdams-qc2ju This response indicates a lack of understanding of selective attention. Under you criteria, no human should be allowed to operate any plane or car, except maybe test pilots? xD
That's not selective attention. That's ignorance of your vehicles capabilities and features, inexperience, or just lack of basic mechanical problem solving skills. I'm not trying to insult you. Some people are not wired with the desire to understand what makes things work. Most folks with 4 wheel drive can't wait for the opportunity to use it. Haha!
@@JohnAdams-qc2ju thanks genious reeal helpful
@@mikemorgan4607 professional driver, watch out
You are such a great storyteller. And I really appreciate that you always include the cabin crews and their help in an incident.
This minor details can turn out so important. I was working on the engine-service factory of KLM in the mid 80's as a mechanic. We got overwhelmed with reparing burning-sections of mainly 747 engines at the time. They used to crack along their rivets. This burning-section was only attached to the core with about 400 very small aluminum-alloy rivets (~2.5mm diameter). But this section kept cracking needing a lot of damage-repair. Once we repaired an engine/plane who was grounded after an engine flame-out/shut-off during take-off. It turned out that more than half of the rivets of the combustion/burning chamber had broken off leaving the combustion/burning chamber dangling and vibrating with lots of false air intoduced. This caused the induced flame-out. I dived into this. It turned out the rivets used till this time were far too long. They deformed and bended when clinking them in. But it was demanded (Boeing/engine) practise so they just went on doing this. I got permission from KLM-chiefs to rivet the whole combustion-chamber of this plane/engine according my proposed smaller rivets. It was an immediate succes. We were done re-riveting in no time and we never saw this failure back later. Soon we got the formal directory of Boeing to never use the old rivets again. You can imagine when a combustion/burning section seperates from its core. It nearly happend in this incident.
I've been watching the incident in TV as well as the further investigation, thus I already knew all the conclusions, but I've been listening to you with pleasure. Great explanation, thanks!
Thank you for making my long time dream come true :) His landing story is so undiscovered, so undiscussed and so unfairly local that he only got a 10 seconds CNN catch. He deserved more and thank you for making it :)
*CNN is a crappy network anyways, they only care about constantly showing off their T.D.S*
I would recommend a master breaker light which illuminates if ANY circuit breaker is popped. Perhaps even a light for every row and column to indicate where to look.
Yeah, me too. Seems strange that isn't a feature.
Your compassion and respect for your colleagues is really awe inspiring. I can tell when you are thinking “this could happen to me” … best channel on KZhead by far.
Excellent video. Interesting, informative and obviously well researched. Your commentary is absorbing and delivered in a way that is truly educational. Ten out of ten, MP, another fantastic piece of work.
What another fantastic breakdown by Petter. I don’t think anyone comes close to breaking down mechanical issues the way he does, as a follower for years now, he has taken, not only his youtube skills to another level, he always brings us into his family life. God Bless to you and Sandra and the boys.
Thank you!! 💕💕💕
He makes it very dramatic with the buildup of details and background information.
Your presentation on these videos puts every other channel on this topic to shame. No drama, no ominous background music, just clear explanations with tons of useful, educational context. This is exactly how these videos should be done. Cheers!
I detest the ridiculous music on the docusoap things. As soon as I hear it, I tune out, switch off, find something else. I am not 6 years old...
Experience can be a hindrance at times. When one person had an event previously he may assume the next one is the same. Tunnel vision. Then a mistake can be made. You must treat asch instance as a first time occurence so as not to throw them all in the same basket and make the wrong poor decision. Its not easy to do but working as a mechanic and troubleshooting electrical failures one must remain open minded. Test the circuit And find the culprit. Open wire? Ground or short ? Loose bracket or cut wire. They can be confused and misdiagnosed.
I enjoy shows about how accidents happen. This is on another level. So detailed & the guys knowledge is really impressive.
What an extremely professional and awesome job done by the crew! Nothing else to say really. Speechless!
As a Pole, I am proud to hear about the skills and determination of the Polish crew!
My maternal grandmother was Polish, so I'm also proud! 🇵🇱
I wouldn't care from where they came, just great pilots.
@@VincentGroenewold I agree. Who cares what nationality the pilots were? They did a great job regardless Cheers
I'm proud of Laura Dekker. But that doesn't take away the fact that the second officer should have checked, checked, DOUBLE checked the circuit breakers. Not an attack here in the replies, just constructive.
@@maartentoors The crew followed the procedure provided by the aircraft manufacturer. Forcibly applying the fuse could damage the electric bus, causing serious problems and a hazard. These are the procedures so that pilots do not have to risk and act on their own.
It always warms my heart to hear of an aviation accident/incident where there was no loss of life. And in this case, there was not even a single injury! Truly professional everyone involved, the pilots, the cabin crew, even the passengers.
Regarding thrust reverser: Would they even be able to deploy reversers without gear? I thought you would need wheels on ground to deploy reversers.
I wonder if there was no electrical power going to it…it couldn’t know if the gears were up or down which would allow them to use thrust reverse?
@@GEORGIABOY23 That would make sense
@@worstofficerdennis Thanks it was just just a guess . Hell for all I know they could have an override switch. Have a great day brother.
@@GEORGIABOY23 You too, my friend
Yea i thought that the reversers need ed to detect wheels on the geound too
I have to tell you, I watch alot of these aviation flight accident, breakdown content creators (about 10 or so), and I have to say, You are hands down the absolute best on the entire platform, for munerous reasons. 1. your story telling skill is top notch. 2. you know your audience. What I mean by that is, you know that the vast majority of the audience are not pilots, therefore, you bring as much context to the story as possible, any thing on the instrument panel that is a bunch of letters like MCAS, or any other of the seemingly 1000 systems that are abbreviated in that way, you make sure that we know what the abbreviation stands for and what the system is responsible for. You never gloss over that like so many other "pilot" channels. 3. the writing for each video is top notch as well. every story is completely comprehensive, and detailed. 4. the animations that are created for the videos are awesome as well, and i could only imagine how much time it takes to get all of those shots, and the editing and everything. I really appreciate all that you are doing. thank you for making such quality content.
I remember watching it unfold live on TV. Everyone in Poland held their breath.
This happened about 3 years after 'Sully'. Did the cabincrew get any recognition like that?
Among aviation enthusiasts people were often making such comparison, and highlighting that in both cases the PF has shown outstanding level of aviating skills, coming from their immense experience.
@@Dirk-van-den-Berg Yes, captain Tadeusz Wrona has been a hero ever since.
I counted 10 changes and seen something down the screen but no idea what it was. However, being an electrician I am a little bit surprised by the position of that box. In building industry (which is very different from machinery of course), here in Czechia we have rules for minimum height of breaker panels. Part of which has to do with usability and serviceability of these things. That means had that airplane been a building in Czechia, this box wouldn't make it through inspection. Even worse, the construction of the knobs combined with the position of the breaker box actually allows for the signal being hidden from the operators sight by other breakers in that sight line.
I am suprised that fuseboxes are not secured in a plane that cost many milion dolars, fuseboxes in buses are secured with covers, all of them
They simply ran out of room for all those components.
Buildings are a lot larger than a 767 cockpit and have many fewer controls in them, and many fewer circuit breakers. I completely see your point, but it's not a valid comparison.
11 changes and one before he started the count, so its debatable.
@@bertone122 There have been many cases of engineers missing circuit breakers after maintenance which have subsequently been spotted by pilots. This wouldn't happen if there were covers on them. Also, there are routine daily checks which engineers have to do which involve pulling circuits breakers on one or more panels. It would be a real pain if you had to open up panels every time to do this. There are only so many hours in a day and engineers have multiple aircraft to look after each day. Yes, there are reasons for and against, but history has led us to the current solutions. Some CBs panels now have raised sections between the rows of circuit breakers to stop things like flat-sided crew bags hitting the circuit breakers.
I am not surprised at your most excellent delivery style and the superior workers you have amassed with your team of helpers. I suspect that you do not get as many accolades as you seriously deserve. I subscribed to your channel a long time ago and do not regret watching all of your content . I am never bored of listening to your synopsis and commentary on any of the reports that you & your team generate. I am not an aviator nor even a recent passenger since I am over 70 now. But I really enjoy your. . straight forward approach to giving facts and cutting through the B.S. usually attributable to policing agencies. I know that you keep reiterating that they are there to promote air safety, but the way they come across is quite brash and confrontational at times even accusatory towards pilots decision making skills. Once again thank you for your dedication to your craft and be safe out there...
Great video as always, and super inspiring work by the pilots and cabin crew - amazing what the crew does in emergencies, save lives. Brilliant, and respect to aviators and cabin crew!
The oranges+apple demo was pretty impressive. Even though I knew about the "Gorilla" and I was looking for strange things while counting the apple, I still didn't notice anything.
wheres the cat
@@phitchaya5538 did you see donald trump
excellant demo
Such a nice and positive story about a crew that manages an abnormal situation perfectly and no one is harmed at all! Thank you for sharing this story with us!
Thank you for making this video, it was very informative and well put together. It would’ve also been great to see a video (or if not a picture) of the actual landing/ plane :)
There is a terrific video of the plane landing which might on KZhead . Extraordinary flying!
I flew the 767 out of of Newark For 14 years and feel the flight crew did all of the right things in a professional manner. And kudos to the presenter for an outstanding explanation of the incident. Well done on everyone’s part.
I find it strange that there are no warnings giving on the instrument panel that a circuit breaker is tripped or more importantly that voltage is missing on an important circuit, regardless of whether it is due to a tripped circuit breaker or something else.
Exactly! Not to mention something in the malfunction checklist to check pertinent breakers
As an electronics engineer, yeah, the working breakers should show a subtle green indicator and the open ones should blink bright red. The milliamp to drive the LED won't actuate whatever the breaker popped to prevent.
I had this exact thought. As long as measures are taken to mitigate any effect on workload and ensure pilots won't rely on it solely but rather have it there as a redundant safeguard, I can't think of why this wouldn't be done.
I know that in the A320, there are some more important circuit breakers that will generate a clear warning on the ECAM when they are tripped. The technology definitely exists.
At some point you have to ask yourself if the increased complexity is worth it. In fact a voltmeter (or any other type of indicator connected to the circuit) could actually cause a real short circuit, making the circuit fail and trigger the breaker.
This is the only channel I binge watch. It’s not often I do that because I’ve seen them all, I think. I love the detail and presentation.
I teach on this aircraft, and actually flew this tail number. When I teach, I point out that re-checking circuit breakers when things don't turn out the way the checklist says they should is good airmanship. Checking circuit breakers is not part of this particular Boeing checklist (or any others I can think of). I didn't start teaching that until this incident. All that said, these guys did a really professional job under difficult circumstances. Great video as usual!
I’ve flown 767s to Warsaw from Newark as a passenger 3 times. LOT named its 767s after Polish cities. Do you recall the name of this aircraft?
I still remember seeing the real life clip of the plane belly landing The 13 y/o me is *shooketh* seeing a no wheels landing for the first time And here i am now, seeing it again with new perspective
I actually did maintenance on this plane during it's last C check! And at the time I was stationed on Engines/Landing Gear. Needless to say, when I saw the news about this landing, I was very concerned haha.
👍🏻😂 I can imagine. I’ve always wondered how engineers react to news like this.
@@MentourPilot we swear. we cry. we swear some more. occasionally we even throw a few things. sometimes we grieve. and then we get to work finding the problem and resolving it.
That must have been stressful!
@@lisanadinebaker5179 We don’t cry, and when nobody is hurt, we neither grieve.
@@robertzeegers00 I have no problem admitting to tears - from frustration and other sources. And you will notice I prefaced 'grieve' with 'sometimes'. I take it you don't object to swearing and throwing things?
These videos are absolutely amazing! I’m not looking to take anything away from this at all as I’m binging the entire playlist, just noticing that the fighters shown are FA-18s and not F-16s 😅
That selective attention test always gets me, and I’ve seen it time and time again! I noticed the tail fin, but I didn’t notice the kitty, and I had to pay really close attention to see some of the other things going on! It’s real subtle. An excellent demonstration of how tunnel vision can affect one’s mind. Another way I’ve heard it phrased is “if you’re told to look for yellow cars, you’re gonna find yellow cars, but you might not notice the school bus in front of you”. Another great vid!
Hahaha, I saw the Tail-Fin, but was focusing on the Apple, so the Fin looked like a cat('s tail) to me. Was really surprised that there were a cat AND a Tail Fin. (I checked, I didn't notice the actual cat the first time)
Those pilots really are masters in their craft! One would expect at least some serious injuries in such a case. I think the confidence of the purser is what kept the cabin calm. People are herd animals, when the leader gets stressed, everybody panics. This also shows that no system can replace a pilot. In this day and age with technology taking over, it's when things go horribly wrong that actual humans with hands and brains can change the outcome either way.
The captain, apart of his experience in airliners, had also a massive experience in flying a glider as a leisure activity. That might have contributed to his outstanding manual flying skills that allowed that level of control during the landing. This is in stark contrast with some pilots who rely on autopilot too much and lost their basic skills.
Oh, there was a serious injury, just not to people. $50mil aircraft destroyed because they wouldn't spend a few grand to replace a hose fitting, or $50 for an aluminium bar. ('tho who knows when the P6-1/A1 breaker actually opened)
When I was on a class trip from the US to central Europe, we were heading home VIA Paris. We were completely boarded and disembarked twice due to technical issues. I really wonder what was going on. Eventually they decided we could not take that plane and we were loaded onto a bus and taken our to another plane with stairs up to it, which was a little novel for me since I already don’t fly much. I’m happy they found the issue before we left the gate, but I really wonder what was wrong.
@ Mentour Pilot if I ever got on board and saw you were the pilot I'd feel extremely safe because I know you would do all you could in an emergency it be like getting on board with "Sully"
This tunnel vision thing is real, when I was practicing touch and goes a few weeks ago I got totally locked and just keep focusing on keeping the aircraft clean and forgot to check speed, my instructor told me to watch my speed so at the next landing I forgot to keep the ball in the center. It's quite stressfull when you think of it.
Why are you trying to keep the ball centered during landing?
@@TribusMontibus It was more a simplified way to explain that I struggled to keep my flying clean. Focusing on the power managment too much and then forgot my feet and so on.
@@heavydecibel I see. Good point. I wish you many good landings. Make sure you do not keep the ball centered during crosswind landings 😉 (former flight instructor, currently more than 18,000h TT)
It's kinda funny to think about the airline choosing to not retrofit the guard around the circuit-breakers to save a few hundred bugs only to scrap a whole aircraft because of a gear up landing... (Of course if this is what happened... they might not have known it...) This only shows the devil is in the details...
Bro your production quality is mind blowing. Incredible work on the animations, great explanations, the exercise of following the red apple was an amazing example to illustrate the problem, I'm seriously.... I'm just speechless, WOW
Actually, I’m surprised the engineer didn’t give him directions to check all circuits first, without being specific. If I’m trouble shooting I want to know if anything is out of place which includes my suspicion. I’m hoping there was training for the engineers to be clear to check for all indicators. Then be specific to double check primary suspicions.
I spent 20+ years in the USAF working in aircraft maintenance as an electrical systems maintainer. I have experience of both being the person that noticed and didn't notice an adjacent or related C/B popped. It doesn't surprise me at all that the copilot missed it, but it saddens me that, as you pointed out, the on-ground engineer didn't think to expand the search (in general) or at least to have the copilot check the feeder busses. This is something you learn after very few years in the field.
This is a classic example of great aviating , navigating and communicating ! The entire video was a nerve racking experience! Good job Sir!
RE: Selective Attention. I was working my first day as a typesetter at a newspaper. The typesetters had about a 20' x 10' area in a huge room full of pasteup, editors, image setters, cameras, and so on. I had been shown the basics of how to use the program to typeset an ad, and was doing my first ad all by myself. It was a fairly complex ad, with a lot of text and images and so on. It took me over an hour to finish it. When I was done I sat back with a sense of pride in my work. I turned around to get the next ad from the table behind me -- and the table was gone. Maintenance had removed all of the furniture out of the area behind where the typesetters sat. An entire area about 40' square had been emptied of everything without me noticing that anything was happening.
I wonder if any other electrical device was on this line . If the landing light failed or ac cut off in flight then they may suspect the main breaker and check for it. Did the FO say he didnot see it popped? Or is this afterthought guesswork ?
These guys and their crew are legends! To have handled the situation so well without a single injury!