DISAPPEARING Engine! The Incredible story of Nationwide 723
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All multi-engine pilots are trained to deal with a possible engine failure during the takeoff roll. It forms part of ever single recurrent check we do and is therefor one of the most practiced manoeuvres of all. But very few pilots actually get to experience a REAL engine failure and even fewer will experience the insanity that these two pilots had to endure. Stay tuned.
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Final Report:
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Maintenance Video:
• 737-200 ENGINE CHANGE.
Nationwide 737-200A: Rob Finlayson
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Pratt & Whitney JT8D-17A 2: MKFI
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Nationwide 757: MilborneOne
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CHAPTERS
00:00 - Intro
00:22- Introductions
03:23 - The engines
05:00 - A look at nationwide
09:14 - Takeoff roll
13:21 - Staying in the air
16:24 - Sweeping the runway
20:25 - Fuel imbalance
23:32 - Terrain ahead
25:31 - Lined up for home
29:10 - Missing records
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Thank you again captain best youtube chanel
@@cosmefulanito5933 well, and in this case, latent greed....
I find flying scary as a passenger because I know if I'm in a crash I'll probably die. I'm not a good passenger in a car either despite the fact that I raced cars for years when I was in my twenties (I'm 68 now). I don't like not being the driver ( I think "driving" an aircraft would be too much for me though ! ) When I raced cars I was in many crashes, probably 30-40 over the years but I was never badly hurt, apart from a whiplash neck injury. I still find it difficult to fly though, even though I know it's statistically very safe, certainly a lot safer than racing cars, or even driving on the roads. I feel relaxed driving a car but nervous as a passenger in an aircraft (or car).
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“Don’t worry. The plane can fly with one engine.” 😂 Love that passenger. It was technically true too.
Sensible behaviour You don't want mass panic in the cabin. You can't do anything useful, meanwhile someone up front is trying to keep it flying. Don't rock the boat.
@@myparceltape1169 Indeed.
737-200 was called the tank by our mechanics
@@myparceltape1169 I disagree, they were spewing fuel and hydraulic fluid, they needed to know so they don't waste time starting the engine.
@@grandetaco4416 Knowing for sure that there was a fuel leak might have been useful information, too.
The good news is that we don’t have an engine fire….the bad news is that we don’t have an engine either🫣
Pretty much, yes!
Like the penguins in Madagascar 2 😂
Madagascar 2, even the plane itself a miracle in that movie 😂😂😂
No need to worry about engine fire if there's no engine there Absolute big brain move
I’m reminded of “the front fell off” skit now. lol “I don’t want people thinking it’s unsafe. We have strict engineering standards to avoid this” “Like what?” “The front isn’t supposed to fall off, for one.” ;p
"Where's your homework, Jerry?" Jerry: "A plane engine landed on it from nowhere"
isn't that part of the plot of Donnie Darko?
😂😂
The ground crew who cleared the runway in less than 18 minutes are also heroes in this situation. Absolutely incredible!
"Everyone in the administration office, you must now go to the runway to sweep an engine off it!"
Yep super glad he highlighted that so much. Very different potential outcome without them.
The passanger witnessing the engine fall off: "OMG WE'RE GONNA DIE" Passanger next to him: "we're not gonna die 🙄"
Hahaha! I know
@@K1OIK Gonna is the contraction for “going to”. Also have you ever heard of Google?
@@availanila "also, it tends to be more frequently used in American English versus British English." I don't think that's the case, you know. We don't all talk like the King.
Lol Only on the web. "Gonna" causes confusion. A clue. Buy you one.
Passenger 2 : We are going to die. I'm gonna die, You're gonna die We're all going to die. Just not today
I love how even the pilots were shocked the engine was completely gone after they had landed, meanwhile the passenger had little to no expression of fear as the engine abruptly falls off the wing.
Yeah. What a massive aftershock .
to be fair, from a physics perspective you wouldn't expect the rudder alone to be enough to handle the force imbalance without miraculous safety margins, given that half the empty weight of a given aircraft are the engines, which would mean the center of mass shifted toward the working engine which would decrease the efficiency of the rudder. Ultimately, as much as the crews of the incident deserve credit for their exceptional reactions, there wouldn't have been any chance if the engineers who designed the airframe weren't extremely competent, and the company willing to pay the price of higher safety margins.
@@DSiren although this comment doesn't have a direction relation to what I said, yes, aerospace engineers and designers are obviously competent. Chances are if they weren't, that engine would have fallen off a long time ago. The fact this plane managed to go so long without any proper maintenance shows.
@@DSiren it's hard to say for sure without actually doing the math or running a simulation, but in my mind shifting the center of mass towards the working engine should in theory reduce the induced yaw caused by the thrust imbalance just as much as it would reduce rudder authority. effectively, the handling of the aircraft would not change much in this situation, but in reality things are obviously a lot more complex, i.e. an engine falling off would also have severe consequences for aerodynamics.
"The less you know, the better you sleep"
can we appreciate the calm passenger who was chill af 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Prob a russian
Mans is got bigger things in mind.
It would have been sensible to tell someone the engine had fallen off 😉
@@harikrishnan1317Don't underestimate South Africans and Rhodisians.
@@cyan_oxy6734 fr
"Go away, we're busy!" Made me laugh so hard😂
The good pilot knows exactly when he/she need to say so ... 😂
The pilot's skills in stabilizing the aircraft after losing the engine were heroic.
The real heroes are mothers. If you've had a child then you're a hero by default. On par with the men who stormed the beaches on D-Day, firefighters, and these pilots who swallow their fear and save lives in the face of death. Lmao I love that Louis CK stand-up bit.
It surprises me that the pilots turn the aircraft towards the missing engine. A risky maneuver. In training you are taught that when you have an engine out, you always make your turns into the good engine. Well, their superior airmanship saved the day.
I haven't watched the video yet,But I can't resist saying I'm sure Peiter could do it with one hand behind his back!!! Keep up the good work! Now I enjoy the vid
Video was published 4 hours ago. How'd you comment a day ago??????😂
@@Truth4Lyf haha, I'm in New zealand
This happened to me, on Dec. 5th, 1987, while I was flying as captain on a B-737-200, US Air Flt 224, just after takeoff from KPHL. The rear cone bolt failed, and the safety cable failed also, allowing the rear portion of the engine to pitch down 30 degrees, and severing fuel and system A hydraulic lines. Shortly thereafter, after reducing speed, the forward cone bolts failed, and the engine completely separated, falling away from the aircraft. A portion of the engine fairing struck the vertical stabilizer. As a result of this incident, the term “separation” was added to the “Engine Fire, Severe Damage, ‘Separation’” Checklist. Pulling the associated fire handle was key to shutting off fuel to prevent a potentially fatal outcome. The standby electric flap system only allowed extending the flaps to 10 degrees, instead of the desired 15 degree flap setting. We landed uneventfully after completing several Non-Normal Checklists. Captain Gary Skogebo, US Airways, Ret.
You would be a good person to ask this: The video mentions how the crew was concerned about having braking, given damage to the hydraulic system(s). Does the Classic not have brake accumulators, good for at least a few press/release cycles? I assume that at least some sort of backup would be a certification requirement for a Part 25 aircraft. Oh, and were you aware that a full separation had occurred? A call from the tower? Alerted by the cabin crew?
@@marcmcreynolds2827l
Thank you for your service, (and the story).
wow, good job. luckily this flight avoided disaster that American Airlines had when their engine seperated and crashed into a building
wow God Blessed You ,,,,great job !
I listened to a podcast with the first officer on Flight 723 Daniel Perry and he tells a slightly different story about the flight attendant. He says they sent her back to take a look out the window. Because of passengers in the seats she had to view from the aisle. She came back and reported "I cannot see the front of the aircraft right engine". Apparently there was no purposeful withholding of information, it was just that her description was misunderstood by the flight crew as meaning that just the front of the engine was missing. They surmised that the engine's deicing nosecone fell off, which they had heard of happening before. As for the passenger supposedly seeing the engine fall off, it's very odd that they didn't say something to the flight attendant when it was obvious that she was inspecting outside the window.
A frightening incident, plus skilled airmanship, great teamwork, and a happy outcome = my favorite kind of aviation incident! Analysis by Petter makes it also my favorite kind of aviation video. The contrast between the by-the-book, skilled, and professional conduct of the pilots and the shocking negligence of the airline operations on the ground couldn't be greater.
Yep, that’s a fair summary
Don't forget the chill passenger!
@@becauseiwanttoseecommentsb984 whoever was that passenger, he or she should get free tickets for life!
Thanks for pointing out the workers on the ground. People forget that without those folks, you've got no runway to land on. Not just literally like here, but in so many pieces of life. Without the people who do the dirty work, there's no canvas to demonstrate heroism, or greatness. We need these people. They are not expendable, they are not the bottom rung, in the sense that they aren't valuable. They are the bottom rung in the sense that they are foundational.
Exactly
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@@MentourPilotHey, Mentour, great video as usual! The plane that landed immediately after, you didn't tell us how it managed to miss the debris on the runway altogether. A great deal of luck or was it that the engine fell too far up the runway that this plane landed and left the runway before getting to the debris?
So true. Can you imagine a surgeon using dirty tools? Those specialized cleaners are essential. They just never get treated or paid as important.
@@charismahornum-fries691Agree 100%. They deserve so much more in terms of recognition and pay. I once underwent surgery and while recovering in the hospital I talked to the woman who cleaned the rooms. She only had 8 minutes to clean one room including the bathroom. That's bonkers! And she didn't get any recognition and of course, her pay was low. But her work is so essential, literally, especially in a hospital with all these sick people and fresh wounds and germs... Despite the bad working conditions she still did her best and even started work early to get everything finished, so she also worked for free one hour in the morning. I still think of her from time to time, she deserved so much better. Yes, surgeons and pilots and such are important and their skills are impressive. But to recognize those who make this even possible, is so important as well. For all of us.
The captain really was an amazing pilot. He recognized instantly that while he could adjust to the situation, the first officer had already done so. I think a lot of captains, given the situation, would want to take control due to their experience and responsibility as PIC. So for him to say "nope, youve already got this" is a step that i think a lot of people would have trouble doing, in all sorts of situations
An excellent manager knows how to teach his colleagues by delegating responsibility AND authority. Impressive.
Proof of the saying, "A little humility goes a long way." In this case, the humility to say to the green kid, "You know how this handles, you fly," went all the way to landing safely on the runway.
But yet also very smart of him to request controls once in advance. SHOULD anything happen so that he needed to take over controls on final, he would've at least known what to expect.
@@MrInitialMan The captain deserved his award, for taking the correct action. Had the airline not have failed, I am sure that the first officer would have been rewarded by a fairly quick promotion.
Shows the cpt had all the confidence and trust in the fo....excelent crm
Massive respect for the first officer, totally deserved his own Polaris Award, but his humility and dedication to teamwork is admirable.
Captain Mentour! I am a US CFI and an airline pilot such as yourself! I recently had to use the Engine Fire/Severe Damage/Separation checklist for real and hustled to get the B737NG on the ground. The cabin crew reported a fire but we did not have a fire indication in the cockpit. I was questioned as to why I hurried to return, and during the inquiry, I showed them this very video. This put a different perspective on my own incident. Thank you for your outstanding content. I teach PPL to ATP and CFI in GA aircraft, as well as Dispatch at Global Aviation Training Academy. Your material is FIRST RATE! Thank you, Captain, for your valuable contributions to CRM and all of us in aviation who are always learning! Very Respectfully, Dave, CFI/ATP/airplanes and helicopters 26,000 hours and still learning!
You should not have returned without being certain
You wasted resources for no reason
Returning for safety isnt 'no reason'. It is the ultimate responsibility of the pilot to reject flight or terminate flight if they deem it unsafe to fly. @Ian-lh9di
@@Ian-lh9di 🤡🤡🤡Is an airline executive your sugar daddy or something?
@@Ian-lh9dihope you are the one that never returns
24:07 Very cool that the inexperienced pilot controlled the plane so well and the experienced pilot returned the control to him when it felt squirrely for him.
The brilliant F/O, Daniel Perry, had glider and aero tow experience.
Honestly that says a lot about the captain both as a man and as a pilot. Some would have still kept control regardless "because they know better".
@@tonybeamvery valuable experience! Expect the unexpected!
@@Bambihunter1971yeah, we've heard of too many Captains "strutting their stuff" and fail miserably!
@@dans_Learning_Curve Absolutely agreed. This captain did not feel "he knew better" but returned control to a pilot half his age without delay. And this new copilot steered the plane with passion, if you will, and certainly knew what he was doing. However, I absolutely do support the captain for taking the controls in order to "feel the problem" in the first place. I have no issue with that at all.
Just wow. The amount of times pilots bring home their crippled aircraft safely without the passengers ever knowing their lives were in danger is unreal. What a First Officer so young, so inexperienced, but flew like a veteran. A great story Captain Petter, I always love the one's with a happy ending.
I'm pretty sure these passengers knew their lives were in danger. The engine was gone! Fuel and hydraulic fluid were streaming out of a gaping hole in the wing.
Especially passengers seating closest to the view of damage.
Mostly because nobody takes pre-trip inspections or maintenance seriously.
@@operator8014 Wasn't talking about maintenance, I was praising pilots for getting their aircraft safely on the ground. Lack of Maintenace caused the issue, but that's a different subject altogether.
@@kathleenegan6658 one passenger didn't think so, as was mentioned on the video he told a fellow passenger "Don't worry these aircraft are designed to fly on one engine.
I am a doctor. Eye specialist. Nothing to do with flying. I don't even fly much. But your style of explanation is sooo good that you got me hooked. Great work chap.
“What do you mean gone??” Was my favorite part
That first officer sounds like an awesome dude. Hope he continues to have a great flying career.
Hopefully with safer airlines!
Yeah he did well. Props to the captain for letting him fly it, a lot of guys would have taken control from the FO
25 years old in 2007, he'd be in his early 40's now
Daniel Perry is awesome. About to get his command on All Nippon Air Cargo’s 747-8. I remember that day very well.
@@tonybeamoh wow, that's awesome!! 😍
"Whadaya mean gone?!" got me laughing quite hard. The plane is safely on the ground, and the first officer just got some very surprising news, and that human moment just tickled something in me.
"But I can see it over there, next to the fire truck."
@@AdrianColleyjust flying in loose formation.
Something similar happened in an F-15 once. The pilot wanted to shake his copilot's hand after they had landed, and they discovered that the entire wing was gone.
@@FireStorm81318 I've seen that story. That's only possible with massive HP and a body that generates a lot of lift, but ya it was crazy.
"Gone? Bullshit! Its right here, on the pavement" xD
One thing you didn't mention - in addition to all that, the loss of A-system hydraulic pressure meant the landing gear were not fully operable. They had to be manually deployed, the nosewheel steering did not work, and braking power was reduced. Really a great performance from the crew, and I hope that F/O is a captain now.
What would a manual deployment of the landing gear entail?
Lots of cranking presumably! Not sure how else you'd do it@@amicloud_yt
@@amicloud_yt A manual deployment involves using a pulley system to release the gear with help of gravity. It is not reversible: landing gear released using this method cannot be retracted
@@EbenezerSuccess-jp8duit could be just need to get someone strong to lift it back up
@@ithinkitwaskhamas No, it's not possible until the plane is on the ground and the hydraulic system is repaired.
Very good presented. My father was actually on this flight and said he never felt unsafe.
these make the comments section of all these videos pure gold to read. thanks!
Holy moly
When the aircraft safely touched down and rolled to a stop without need for evacuation, I shed a tear. Bravo to captain Arnold and FO Perry. Great video as always
@@K1OIK First officer
@@K1OIK FOXTROT OSCAR
And for the controllers, who kept their heads when pretty much everything went sideways.
Upon being asked how he felt co-flying a jet as a 25 year old just 2 weeks out of the simulator, Daniel Perry responded with "Well, have you ever seen a dog watch TV?" He is now a highly rated pilot with 9000+ hours experience - there is an excellent interview with him on KZhead by fellow pilot Alex McPhail!
Aahaha thanks for sharing that! Wow, he really has talent. Even being so out-of-the-water greenhorn he somehow managed to control a severely damaged airplane very well. I hope he will have a long and illustrious career until his retirement. 👍🏼
Thanks for the info! Glad those guys were here to tell the tale.
I'm sorry but what does "a dog watch tv" actually means
I'm also confused about the "dog watching TV" analogy. I've seen dogs ignore TVs as if they weren't there. I've seen dogs bark at TVs if there was something provoking to them. Neither of these phenomena seem plausible as a "feeling of co-flying a jet shortly after simulator training"... so this is a very confusing quote!
@@failingattempt9984 just like someone doing all the right motions but with no real idea of what's going on
This is really teamwork. No matter how good a pilot you are, you need other people's support.
Nationwide: where our engines are all on one side.
Underrated comment! 😂
My son just completed his 1200 flying hours and it is on to the next stage for him. I told him I follow your channel in order to keep myself informed and we can "pilot talk", but really it is to understand him when he tells me about his day. Thanks Mentour Team!
That is awesome! 💕💕
Supportive parents. ❤
I hope "the engine was gone" is not a typical response to "tell me about your day" 😉
If he was in the US, he’d have to have another 300 hours MINIMUM to even be allowed to be hired. The US does it wrong.
This was insane! Huge respect to the pilots and the team that cleaned the debris! This felt like a movie
...and to the Boeing 737, a plane with just the needed back-up systems for everyone to get down safe....
Yes... the captain going back into the aircraft to the cheers of the passengers, and his shocked reaction to find the right engine GONE couldn't have been written better by the best of screenwriters. Great story.
it is ...
@Cybig You don't know what the word, "insane" really means. Quit using twerpy words without knowing what they mean. The actions and reactions of everyone were very sane and reasonable.
@@AndrewBlacker-wr2ve ... "twerpy words'".... kinda defeats your point....
I am family of one of the pilots, they were definitely shaken up after this event but handled the situation very well! Thanks Mentour for the epic vids! Been binging like crazy and was wondering if I would see this appear one on your channel :)
It's always good to "meet" someone that knows the pilots!
It must be awesome to see Mentor Pilot tell a story relating to your family
Trevor Arnold is living proof of a great operator and also huge praise for Daniel Perry his P2. This report is about the best aviation report ever put together.. CONGRATULATIONS !!
After the plane took off: "hey did you see that? The engine fell off" The other passenger: "Don't worry, these planes can fly safely with one engine". I can only imagine how self confident he felt when he got out. Ha, ha... That passenger also deserves an award too.. for good "passenger leadership". I will say.
I can't believe they didn't make attempt to notify the pilots
@@xonx209 You have to watch these pilot channels to know that! Otherwise you assume the pilot knows the engine fell off
@@thewhitefalcon8539 Honestly, I'm not sure I'd assume the cockpit has an "engine is physically present" indicator - like, yes, there's something like 2000 buttons, sensors and switches up there, but...I feel like that means you might want to not include extraneous things that cover circumstances that should literally never happen. I mean, there's enough sensors in the engine that would just be flatlining in this position that, if they were sitting in a simulator and asked to just diagnose what was physically wrong with the plane, they might well figure it out because no conceivable engine failure short of literal detachment would set *every* sensor to its "no signal" setting, but...again, there's a LOT of stuff to look at in that cockpit, and when you're actually up in the air dealing with the reality of trying to get it down on the ground safely, you're not calmly solving an academic problem, you're suppressing considerable amounts of stress and relying on trained scenarios and emergency checklists to hopefully land safely or at least minimize casualties.
@@xonx209 It was during the take off, what the heck were they supposed to do? Send a snap to the captain?
@@MrMiddleWick Grab the attention of a cabin crew member
i was the operations controller at that time in 2007 in cape town for Nationwide. We could not have asked for a better pilot that day!. Still remember all of it as if it was yesterday. Also my brother was working on the ramp that day and witnessed the engine falling of. Sadly this incident led to about 1000 of us losing our jobs due to liquadation. :(
You were betrayed by a greedy boss.
Why didn’t you guys inform the pilots immediately that the engine has fallen off??
Great job by everyone involved in bringing the plane back safely. Sucks people lost their jobs; but I suppose that would have happened if the plane had crashed as well.
@@77bond they didn't know it was an engine that fell off
@@prorealm766 "Also my brother was working on the ramp that day and witnessed the engine falling of."
The cabin crew not telling the pilot that the engine was completely gone is a crazy level of incompetence. Actually wild to me .
I was on flight from Kauai to Honolulu at night when the plane lost power in an engine . After the captain made the announcement you could hear a pin drop. My wife said “ I hope I see my grand children again” . The captain further briefed us that emergency vehicles would be meeting us on the runway “ upon landing a huge cheer went up from all passengers. It took a lot of convincing to get my wife on the connecting flight to the mainland . The videos are great thanks for your hard work in providing them
One of the few occasions of engine falling off an airplane led to the Bijlmerramp (Bijlmer disaster) in the Netherlands. Where the airplane became uncontrollable and ended up hitting an apartment building.
It’s on my list
@@MentourPilotlooking forward to your analysis!
@@MentourPilot you may get a lot of good info from the documentary series "Rampvlucht". It was broadcasted a few months ago on Dutch television
I live very close to Abbotsford International Airport in an apartment, and the crash of Flight 1862 pops into my head whenever a Westjet plane that seems to be abnormally low and much closer than usual comes toward my building. How horrifying. Looking forward to seeing it dissected on here.
"fortunately" the plane wasn't full... still very sad
I had the privilege of flying with Captian Arnold, with another low cost carrier in South Africa. His is absolutely meticulous about his work and flows SOPs to the T, & and always defended his us as Cabin Crew.
Great video! As a matter of fact, one of my work superiors at the time was on this flight. He told us his recollection many times. He has since passed, but the story still remains.
In '60s when they were new, Dentist and Fishin Buddy at airport to show off his new Skymaster. He was so proud, but remarked she's bit doggie versus this morning. Halfway down runway I asked what's 2nd tach reading zero for, and he yelled "Start Rear Engine". I started, revved engine, just barely made it off, and he said, "Glad I noticed it! That would of left us in the trees!" On bright side, dentistry free until he retired 12 years later! He had taught self not to screw up by using his pocketbook!! Bet ya won't find that method in your FAA Manual!!
I witnessed this from the highway when it happened. Was working at the airport and just finished my shift. The weather was terrible that day. Great respect to the pilots who landed this acraft
I guess for a while you probably thought that plane wouldn't make it back. It would have been utterly shocking to see.
This story was wonderful. Its a real shame the FO was not awarded. I hope he was recognized in some way. He was a very brave young man.
Indeed.
Even if there are no medals I am sure everyone in the industry will know what he did with a quick back ground check.
He's cited by Mentour Pilot. That's a hell of a mention.
Even with no medal I’m sure it was easy for him to get a job after this 😭 he will most likely be known to any place he applies too
Yes he is! I just wonder how many hours of experience this incident will add to his total? Should be MANY!
A very long story, but I was on a plane that took a bird strike. A fire started in the engine and we made emergency landing. I can't tell you of all the screaming in terror, the feeling you're going to die and the horror of the moment. But, when we landed, everyone screamed for joy and shouted THANK YOU CAPTAIN over and over. Truly his quick thinking and skill saved us all.
Wow, what a feel good story, all the way around! That Captain deserved those applause and more.
*First Officer was the one "flying" and in control of the airplane. The Captain took control for about 2O seconds to get a feel for how the aircraft was flying, but handed it back to the First Officer who had been flying the prior 19 minutes before so the Captain didn't let his Ego get in the way and handed the airplane straight back to the First Officer. Like Peter said "If it's not broken, don't fix it" which showed great teamwork and trust.The First Officer was 25 years younger than the Captain and the Captain showed he had complete trust the First Officer could fly and land the airplane safely which he did. Those maintenance guys are so lucky because this could have been a complete tragedy with their lack of maintenance work.*
Don't forget the first officer, the plane would have crashed almost immediately without him
Sometimes juniors can thrive - be it the comfort of having a senior nearby, or the recency of training, or just natural talent, so impressive to see how the FO handled this and the captain's trust in him. Love stories like this.
True, this was very nice to hear.
I like to make this argument a lot of the time with Junior Doctors too. They are fresh from school (or in this case, pilot training), they have all the theory freshly in their minds, it's only the bedside manner that may be partially lacking. This is why I would actually really trust a new pilot faced with an incident like this, or a junior doctor faced with a complex case.
@@imonkeybee There're still hands-on skills which can only be accquired through field practice. No simulator driven training could replace that.
Regarding doctors, there is an argument that junior doctors can be better for diagnosing rare stuff. Probably becsuse the older doctors "have seen it all" an they know from experience that 99% of cases with a particular set if symptoms are this-or-that diagnosis. The younger doctors might not draw that conclusion that quickly...
@@panda4247 It's also more that senior doctors have gotten the "horses, not zebras" mindset hammered into them, and have gotten it engrained into them. It probably also gets reinforced over time because the vast majority of the cases they encounter are, in fact, horses. But that also often puts them in a rut where they're blinded to the possibility of zebras. Junior doctors have the exact opposite problem; they're more used to looking for zebras (since they just finished learning about them in med school), so they're better at seeing those. But they also tend to be worse at diagnosing common issues for this exact reason. It's a balance. I like going to teaching hospitals for this exact reason, btw - they cover each others'weaknesses.
the guy who was sitting there and said "don't worry, these planes are designed to be able to fly on just one engine" calmly, i'll bet was as much a factor in everybody not completely losing their minds, as the assurances from the captain. Doing a complete FOD walkdown to get all the debris off the runway is also a significant accomplishment in the time listed. that alone must have taken a LOT of coordination and competence.
On one hand, keeping other passengers calm is nice, but on the other hand, *the engine straight up yeeted itself away.* That's not exactly a consequence-free action. Flying with only one engine RUNNING is very different from flying with only one engine STILL THERE. Boeing literally has to weigh down the wings during construction before the engines are mounted because those wings are designed with the engine weight in mind. Without that weight, things get funky- as these pilots found out the quick way.
@@hauntedshadowslegacy2826 Not to mention the technical complications from severed fuel and hydraulic lines (which are unavoidable in this situation)... Really something the pilots should ahve known about from the beginning!
@@kohlinoor Airplane reliance on hydraulics is a major weakness. The switch to electro-hydraulics in the newest planes is a huge advance. No long, vulnerable hydraulic lines any more. It's easier to find alternate routing for a a wire than a hose. And a severed wire doesn't leak as readily.
from, the methodic, processes from the pilot, the crew member, and that passenger saying the can indeed fly on one engine. the ATC, and firefighters and ground crew. is amazing.
In 2008, Captain Arnold was awarded the world's highest and rarest aviation honor. The Polaris Air Award.
Yep, as mentioned in the video
This is my first time seeing a story where everyone involved did their jobs perfectly. An example of how incidents should go. Proper airmanship and great teamwork on the ground. Amazing First Officer!
Couple of glitches but they were quick to correct. The flight attendant being cute about the engine missing and snapping at the ATC prior to the proximity warning are a couple examples. The purpose is continuous improvement. We can complement everyone but still learn a few things.🙂
Yeah the purser lying to the captain to "not worry him too much" was absolutely inexcusable. That should have been instant termination and indefinite suspension from ever being part of a flight crew. That shows profoundly bad judgment and reasoning. Astonishingly bad. Idiotic purser.
Except the lady hiding information.
@@i5m5bob Considering that the pilot'a face went "completely white" when he saw the true extent of the damage, maybe she made the right call.
Well... you can't say that the mechanics did their jobs perfectly... or the airline maintenance organization but I get your point.
"No small roles" is a phrase from the movie industry but I think it also applies to the airline industry. Even the guys clearing the rubble in record speed did their part.
It's a safety thing too. You NEED a clear runway to operate an airport. Like the Concorde disaster. People died because the runway wasn't clear. If a plane needs to land in an emergency? you need the runway to be clear 5 minutes ago!
Congratulations on a great episode. The first officer was heroic, despite near total inexperience. What I cannot understand is why someone overwrote the CVR after the accident. What did they reinstall it on?
As someone with no experience in aviation lurking on your videos and learning the safety measures that are in place, a video about this is so reassuring. Happy New Year, Captain, and thank you for all you do!
A brief note for your animators (who do an amazing job!): when something falls off of an airplane, it doesn’t drop in a straight line to the ground. Because of its forward momentum, it continues to move in the same direction as it is falling (at almost the same speed, although air friction would slow it down as it fell)
This is excellently delivered, useful criticism. And ensures that every one who read it will be aware of this quirk of physics from now on, if they weren't already. 👍🍍
@@PFMediaServicesthe 🍍 emoji is an intriguing choice
@@Hoppp4848secret swinger?
@@Hoppp4848 It's been a personal nickname for years, so I made it part of my business name and punctuation. 🤷🍍
Actually it isn't animation (ig). It is a flight simulator
its actually insane that they didn't even realise they literally LOST one of the engines until after landing, and yet they still controlled the plane perfectly. amazing pilots
As intersting as the crash reports are, it is nice to see videos on situations that resolved well, particularly when pilots or crew or atc make good decisions.
13:20 - Here in the States, we have an insurance company called “Nationwide”. They have a tagline that seems very appropriate to the moment the 737 started to roll: “Nationwide is on your side.”
Shortly before that incident a very experienced retired airline captain pilot friend of mine who did charter flights on the B727 for Nation wide was put under extreme pressure to do a long across water flight with a cracked cockpit window. He refused to fly the aircraft and stopped flying for them.
As he should have. They're asking him to take an absurd risk. If that window fails at cruise elevation, there's guaranteed misery, and high odds of an all souls lost scenario.
@@edifyguy Didn't a cockpit window fail in some other plane, and the pilot was sucked out the window and somehow managed to stay attached to the outside of the aeroplane. So if anyone asks you to fly with a damaged window...
Yeah....the owner of Nationwide was a great "peace of work" cutting corners everywhere.
@@RennieAsh Yup, Captain Tim Lancaster of British Airways Flight 5390 fame. His poor copilot, Alastair Atchison, and entire crew went through the craziest ordeal to remove his legs from the control, keep him from getting sucked out (potentiallly into the left engine) and to get everyone on the ground safely in the midst of the chaos of a depressurized cabin. No one should have to go through all that, especially if the risks are already known to them.
@@user-hr1ci8hr4sVernon Bricknell was Nationwides' downfall. Luckily no passengers were killed, by this cowboy
So many things to love about this story but one of my favourites is the CRM. The fact that such an experienced pilot was able to trust such a junior one (in what seems to be the right call). Such a stark contrast from some of the other flights you’ve covered.
I had the privilege of being in the aircraft from Hong Kong to Jakarta that the top of the wing aluminum skin simply peeled back and off leaving most of the wing airframe exposed and the flap aileron inoperable. I pointed it out to the steward who responded, “It’s been like that all day and we haven’t had any problems!” We landed hard but safely.
This is such a beautiful case of managing a really bad situation incredibly well, for EVERYONE included in this: Pilots; Emergency crew; ATC; Passengers; Cabin Crew. I really like stories such as these, because it just displays a wonderful show of teamwork coupled with professional standards.
Thank you for telling this story. I was in the USAF and in 2008, I went to Cape Town for an airshow. They had parked our C-130's next to this jet with its missing engine. I was curious about the story of this plane.
Everyone in this story were so chill. From the passenger telling other one that the aircraft can fly just fine, to the controller seeing the debris fall but feeling the next aircraft could still land, the purser not wanting to stress the pilots with the damage and the veteran captain just delegating the flying to the rookie.
First officer is a true showmanship of being humble. He took none of the credit intitally and landed that plane to safety
Props to everyone involved in the safe landing of the aircraft, but also specifically the first officer that performed above and beyond what his experience would lead to be expected.
Since I am a pilot and trained RSAF pilots , I am stunned at the level of detail you supply . You have OPENED my eyes to scenarios I never imagined. THANKS
Amazing that real pilots can learn something about their jobs by watching KZhead. Should this channel be mandatory for pilots? 😂
@@oskarmartin6486 I’m a flight instructor and I absolutely love these videos. I recommend his vids pretty often!
I forgive them the fuel balancing, this is worthy of a very big applause. Also it's probably a good thing that the whole engine ended up falling off, that floppy thing with unreliable trust control seemed more lethal than having no number two engine at all. Great story!
Absolutely!
I believe engines are attached with an engineered weak point so that in the event of a really hard landing or other severe physical shock they will break free instead of causing more damage
@@horticultural_industries Pretty sure he said exactly that in the video
@@JohnVanderbeck oh
In the Army we called those "memory items", "Emergency Procedures". We had to memorize them. Rarely used but tested on constantly just in case (does happen once in a while). Listening to everyone going through the steps is amazing. Everyone is calm and just reading the steps out as if nothing is really wrong.
It is definitely because of the successful outcome with no loss of life, but I think this is perhaps one of the funniest Mentour Pilot episodes yet! That calm passenger who reassured his fellow passenger actually made me crack up, same with the First Officer's response of, "Whadya mean the engine is gone??"
This one is absolutely amazing. Both pilots were incredible, especially the FO for being able to pilot the craft back completely safely, but also the captain who recognized that the FO had the situation well under control and didn't take over when he didn't absolutely need to.
I love this video, it shows exemplary CRM and teamwork by all parties involved to make a happy ending. With all the incidents from poor CRM and pilot error, it's easy for the general public to grow a distrust or nervousness in those operating the aircraft. But this shows exactly how things should be handled, exactly how us pilots are trained and execute emergency procedures, exactly how both pilots, especially the captain in showing complete trust in his young FO and humility, are to act. This has definitely become my favorite Mentour Pilot video.
@@K1OIK Crew Resource Management.
I agree completely, the thing is in those shoes I can imagine the captain wanting to know exactly what the FO was dealing with and taking the controls for a moment, and even knowing fully that the captain could adapt, trusting that "okay now I know what it is doing, and what you're fighting, keep flying" the trust to hand it back over is significant but he's proven he could handle it, I believe from my perspective the captain may have assumed control for just that, as a step to figure out what they were dealing with, and to feel what it was doing to aide in the decision making process. Either way, they both did everything exactly right, the only thing that is a maybe is in most companies policy is any time a deviation or emergency like this occurs, once the plane is secured, they usually have policy to pull the breaker to the CVR to preserve the audio for investigation. The thing is they did everything else right, and I can safely say even if the company had a similar policy, after going to see the damage and realizing the engine was fully separated, It's easy to imagine that adrenaline and fear through realization being enough to make someone forget something small like that.
@@charlesmayberry2825nowadays microchips (flash memory, SSDs, …) are so cheap that they could put days of cockpit audio on it if they wanted. A number of accidents would be easier to investigate- like the one where cabin pressure was lost and the autopilot flew the hypoxia crew and passengers on for hours until fuel was depleted. Or this one.
This is exactly the kind of crew you wouldnt want in case of emergency. And experiences skilled pilot, a well-trained green co-pilot ..all humble and have a love for strictly following the rules! Amazing job and its good to hear stories like this with good endings where the passangers survived along with the crew!
Fascinating story. Both pilots, crew and staff on the airport were heroes. Thanks God for those people! Let all situations like this ends this good!
The passenger calmly stating that planes can fky with one engine really speaks volumes to the overall safety we enjoy while flying. My heart was in my throat listening to how all the pieces worked together, as intended, to prevent a terrible accident. This outcome was a result of decades of learning and improving from past mistakes and is something we should all strive for regardless of our profession or way of life. Amazing video!
For decades, larger airliners had four engines, so the shift from four engines to two for the sake of greater efficiency, not greater safety, requires an extreme level of confidence in the remaining single engine. One incident of a remaining singe engine failing would have a profound effect on public opinion and the industry.
@@777rogerfEven then, aircraft generally have a pretty good gliding range.
I'd say it speaks volumes about the confidence of that one passenger... But the fact that they were struggling at the cockpit and quickly decided to go back says otherwise...
@@bassaniobrokenhart5045 I mean, I doubt anyone would decide to fly anywhere with a major malfunction like that. They were able to get a somewhat stable flight after the take off so they used that opportunity to troubleshoot. Once they found an engine wasn’t working, it’s clear they had no other choice. And the plane did manage to fly back pretty alright considering.
As a South African it’s sad seeing how often officials in our country sweep things under the rug. Inspections that should take place just don’t and we wonder why our infrastructure is failing, this isn’t only true in the aviation industry but for the country as a whole. Still proud seeing how good a job the pilots did and bringing some good news for us.
I think that's part of the human condition combined with capitalism. The same thing is happening in USA, Australia etc in general. I mean Australia's universal healthcare system is in the toilet. Whilst in America absolutely everything is failing or so it seems.
I understand your dismay but you live in/come from what was/still is in a way essentially a new nation feeling rather than rationalising its way into modernity. As such the takeover of infrastructure likely wasn't based upon the best foundation. The majority of nations it is/was competing against/being compared to have a wealth of experience behind them to fall back upon.
@@FC-PeakVersatility Nope - experience/expertise was/is replaced based on skin-color - check out how 'well' the national power-utility is running - with daily blackouts? And SAA has also been run into the ground - corruption, mismanagement - plus racial politics.
Props to the first officer. Shame he didn't get much recognition but, here on youtube you are getting it. Good job on flying this plane and showing the captain, crew and passengers you are made of heroic steel.
For all the tragedies on your channel that absolutely terrify me to ever fly, the few of fantastic teamwork, knowledge, level-headedness and trust in your co-pilot as well as the efforts of the crew redeems it and makes me feel safe flying again. One thing I'm curious about, do modern planes have a camera view of the wings? I'd have thought visually identifying what is wrong with the engine (smoke being a fire, mist being a leakage or..well engine being missing meaning yeah, engine's fallen off) - or even asking the crew would be the first idea. Sensors can only do so much, and while I trust they'd identify a fire or hydraulic/fuel leakage, it's pretty hard for a sensor to just acknowledge that the entire engine is gone as it's something that is one in a billion that the plane would even be able to take off. Still an incredible display of skill and trust in the pilots. I'd definitely bet some of their efforts made it into later training flying that model. The captain telling the first officer the engine was gone and the first officer just saying whaddya mean GONE?!! after landing is hilarious.
It's so heartening to see such good CRM and the humility shown between the Captain and First Officer was first class. Egos have a bad habit of getting in the way of effective performance and the captain showed great awareness and humility in handing back the controls to a gifted pilot for someone so young and inexperienced. There was also great humility shown by the FO after the fact when it was the Captain that received the award. I hope these two pilots found work after the airline ceased operating.
I was 10 when this accident happen and years later I had the chance to meet the tower controller on duty and the captain of this aircraft. The level of pilot training in South Africa is excellent as shown in this accident. The crew did such a good job
Too bad the maintenance training and procedures weren’t given the same type of training!😮
@@K1OIK Private Pilot License.
@@57Jimmy Indeed.
@@K1OIKHe did 🤷
@@K1OIK Well I knew it and so would anyone with any real interest in aviation. Other than that anyone with more than two brain cells and an ability to use a Google search would be able to easily find out but I guess that you do not meet that criteria.
It's so cool that you include checklist examples. I always wondered what they look like. Thank you!
Tearing up at ending . Applause to the pilot , and airport crew of awesome teamwork . Thank you for mentour pilot storytelling too.
I'm from Cape Town and obviously know about this incident but never saw a detailed analysis of what happened. I Never knew about the situation on the runway. I can't believe George airport could handle all the diverted traffic though. Thanks for an excellent review as usual. It was great seeing my hometown featuring a happy ending aviation story.
What an amazing episode. Also, while that's not often the case in this type of video, it's probably one of the funniest stories ever. From the passender with balls of steel who just calmly commented on how these airplanes can fly with one engine, after the damn thing just literally fell off, as if that happens to him every other week, to the reaction of the captain and the first officer after landing. I had so many laughs in this episode and am really glad noone got hurt.
Passenger didn’t have balls of steel, was just stupid and had no idea what they were talking about. I’m incredibly familiar with almost every commercial accident / incident out there - if I saw an engine depart I’d be horrified. Depending on the separation, it’s a coin toss if engineering simulations work the way they should. Remember American 191? 😕 Anyways, engine failure is one thing - separation and subsequently watching hydraulic fluid and fuel dumping out? …that’s another.
@@EstorilEm That's not the point, it was still hilarious. Maybe he was stupid. Maybe he just wanted to calm the other person. Who knows.
@@EstorilEm How were they stupid though? Don't planes fly with one engine fine? This event is an example of how a plane can fly with only one engine. Planes are designed to do that.
@@EstorilEmHonestly, it's probably good that they said such a stupid thing confidently, it kept the passengers calm during this whole ride, and did they not fly that plane for almost 30 mins with one engine while being able to fly relatively level and also banking to one side to straighten out and land safely? So, I mean, the passenger was also correct.
Not stupid at all! Knowledge is powerful! Ignorance breeds fear!
Well done by all in handling a critical situation. Also, a very thorough and informative recounting of events in this video. First class, all around.
I'm going to add 'touch briefing' in my briefing for emergency airway management training. Makes perfect sense in a complex environment with complex equipment. Thankyou.
I was on this flight with a window seat over the wing and watched the engine detach. Amazing experience. I believe there are a couple of other 737-200's that this has happened to in the past.
I’m wondering why passengers don’t report such incidents to the cabin crew to relay to the pilots when they happen. Won’t it help the crew get real time information on the cause of the problem to be able to deal with them better ? I’m not sure if it’s prohibited for passengers to report or not
@@solomonarhin During takeoff everyone is in their seats with belts on, including cabin crew. What you can do is push the button to call cabin crew, and they will wait for the plane to be stable before standing up and check what is going on. What you must NOT do is leave your seat to do so. Take off and landing are critically serious stages.
Why do people not tell truth? This guy isn’t from South Africa.
@dionyz1 Believe it or not, people sometimes visit other countries.
@@TankTheSpankwhat diff does that make.
WOW!!! First time I've seen this incident covered by anyone. Brings back a lot of memories. I was working that afternoon during this emergency as the ATC on Area handling all the traffic in and out of Cape Town, including all those diversions to George. What a day!
I need to ask, Were you the guy they told to shut up? lol
"Look, piss off, we're in the middle of something, you clown." "Er, right... Well, just letting you know you're about to fly into a mountain. Might want to scribble that down on a post-it note and come back to it when you've got a spare moment." ".... Oh."
Love your explanations Captain. Wish I would have Training Captains of your kind, you have this fantastic ability to make even complicated things look simple!
You are such a great story teller. Apart from the great experiences and stories you share i would love to learn 😂 from your narration/story-telling skills. I am non native english speaker although impressed by your great documentaries
What a coincidence! My dad and I were talking about this just last week! The airline was the preferred airline of the company I worked for. A couple of months before the accident, Nationwide made an announcement that they have listened to customers and they would stop offering free in flight food and beverage services, because people would rather have more variety to choose from that they would pay for. The first thing I said was oops they are in financial trouble, where else are they cutting costs.... 😬
My brother’s wife worked in Nationwide Head Offices when all this happened.. the company was run basically by the owner who was well known in the industry by then to prefer taking his money out the country than spending anything on maintenance.. a lot of documentation was destroyed deliberately, also none of Nationwide’s employees got advance notice that the company will be closing its doors- she apparently went to work and as she got there- the company’s doors were locked with a paper stuck to the doors, with a notice stating that every one can go home, Nationwide is closed permanently..
never underestimate the mental performance and the very well coordinated reactions of young people. great job done, especially by the young first officer.
Found your videos again after a long absence. Nice to see your still producing them. Retired in Texas‼️😎
Being a South African who loves aviation, I clearly remember this incident and all the issues revealed about Nationwide management. Thank you Peta for your insights.
I learned that jet engines fall off wings from my uncle who had a 1500 acre wheat farm in North Dakota, USA. He found a few of these engines while plowing his fields over the years. The air force would come collect the engines for him. They told him and he told me the engine is designed to separate from the wing if the rotational assembly jams. This way only the engine rips off and not the whole wing. I was like 10 years old at the time.
Yup, that sounds about right
@@MentourPilotbut no consideration for those on the ground? OMG!!
@@sailorman8590 Would you rather an engine crash into your living room or the rest of the plane too?
@@dabbinghitlersmemes1762 To be fair, if the engin would have hit my house, the rest of the plane would likely not be hitting my house but somebody elses... LOL But point taken, the engine will do less damage than the whole plane.
Why is there a giant rabbit counting down in my yard?
Wow! What a blessing that everyone was able to work together like that. I totally agree the first officer should have been awarded.... They should have made an exception! Really, everyone deserves something because how rare is it to find so much teamwork, so much owed to so few!
Your knowledge of the incredibly complex issues in aviation and aviation hardware is dazzling. I am a layman but am positive that your videos serve to educate and inform commercial aviation pilots. Thanks again for sharing these analyses of aviation incidents which are clearly intended to help your fellow pilots do the best they can do.
My wife was cabin crew for Comair at the time. They were at the gate waiting for their flight an had a clear view of the runway and could see the engine laying on the ground. Hats off to the flight crew, but also to the aircraft. The combination of sound machines and wide awake crew makes that we can fly without fear.
Did she keep working for the airline after viewing that?!
I love your videos Petter, so incredibly well presented & explained!! You have an extremely rare talent in explaining these complicated topics in an intuitive way most people can understand, I've honestly learnt so much from your videos, far more than any documentary I've seen on TV! Thank you so much for what you do, I have great respect for you & your work. Hands down best aviation channel on KZhead!
There are many heroes in this story: The captain "do not fix what is running", the first officer with a short experiences and who I most appreciate: the air traffic controller (fast good reaction and doing the best of his/her job) ... great teamwork👍