The Decline of Jordan Peterson

I miss the man who could talk passionately about the profoundness of Sleeping Beauty and Pinocchio.

12:56 - I disagree with this statement. Peterson has, absolutely, distinguished multiple times between "activists"' and any random trans person, not least be interviewing, sharing panels, and being interviewed by trans people in which he treats them and distinguishes them from the "activists".

"sanctimonious butchers" is exactly what they are and that is still putting it mildly.

He joined Twitter, that's when his downfall started

He began as a professor giving lectures in class at a university in Toronto. He was thrust into the role of global celebrity/saint/demon in a matter of a few years. I would not say he's declined. He's had to change due to the change in his life. Anyone would have to adapt, evolve, and grow with the pressures and scrutiny of the world from all angles. I mean, this very video is a testament of the attention he has received and how he has had to change his life. I think "decline" is a very loaded and biased way to frame his adaption. He's had a lot of challenges and has persevered quite admirably amidst it all.

You should invite him to your show and challenge him on his issues......if you dare!

You seem to positively assign the label of contrarian then complain that he critiques, climate alarmism, covid vaccine mandates,trans ideology/children and Liberal tyranny. While I agree he's lost a few steps and isn't what he was, you seem to be more annoyed he's against ideas you support

It takes alot of energy and dedication to stand up against the soulless degeneracy of the woke corporate far left

I have to agree that I don't think Jordan Peterson is the same as he used to be. What has caused the decline I don't know. Dealing with his wife's cancer? Dealing with constant attacks from all directions? His own health and issues with drugs (probably caused by the pressure)? I can't imagine what it would be like to have to deal with all he has had to but it must have changed him. I is can only hope he is able to work out what is affecting him and get back to what he once was.

he’s doing pretty good now considering what he went thru. I wouldn’t say he’s in decline tho. the internet has just moved on

To be fair, not many people would remain as reasonable as he after the amount of abuse he and his family endured

This is better writing than the typical hit piece.

He makes $80k a month just on Patreon. He's not going anywhere any time soon. I just finished watching his 1997 lectures on Maps of Meaning.

In a day an age where we consume content like crack heads it was inevitable he would become "played out". 3rd act....shit that guy could have retired a long time ago. We should be grateful we even got this much from the guy.

Whilst he has lost his way a little bit since his illness, that shouldn't besmirch his original messaging, which was very positive for young men. I hope he will return to his more balanced approach, as that's why he became so popular in the first place.

This is the problem with the public eye. He's human. He's faulted. Rarely does someone operate on his level of intelligence and not flirt with insanity. It goes hand in hand. It was a good run and if you return to his previous work, he has given scholars and society enough ideas/thoughts to discuss and ponder for years to come. Everyone needs to retire at some point, including Axel Rose. We just cant maintain that level of peak performance for all of our lives.

I listened and thought very carefully about the points you make here. I have to say I disagree. Firstly, there's nothing intrinsically wrong with having a political leaning if he is saying the truth, and he is certainly still giving the other side a voice. Take your "anti-vax" impression of him for example. He's not anti-vax, just anti-covid vaccinations, and his views were based on careful discussion with professionals in field such as Dr. Jensen, Ridley, and Doidge. You may think it's fringe and the vaccine is safe, but you may also be biomedically uninformed. Which brings me to another point, I think you're failing to see that his collaboration with others is the third act. Indeed he has said what he came to say; there is only so much for one man to say. But inviting others to his podcast enriches his message. Maybe after hearing his conversations with Heather MacDonald and detransitioner Chloe Cole, you'll understand his righteous anger towards transitioning children and the sexual perversion of schools. Peoples ideas differ and you may not agree with me, regardless, I still really enjoy your channel.

15:20 it was a good idea for intellectuals to collaborate and come together to discuss these issues in a civil matter. But I watched the debate many times and Michael’s personal attacks against Jordan Peterson were the exact reason I’m for JBP. It seems that a lot of these debates are personal attacks against Jordan Peterson’s group identity (straight, white, male) For those individuals who are lumped together in this group identity, it is hard for to us to argue and debate ideas when any push back from the opposing side is as hominem attacks

a "Old man yells at cloud" sort of feeling. He was never perfect, but he was pretty great. I hope he gets back on track.

Hmmm... I don't see the problem calling out COVID measures. Nor do I disagree that the twitter files are comparible with Watergate. (Have you read them?). It seemed like a really well crafted video until the last few minutes where you seemed to swap deliveringfactual information with idea that you just don't like what he says on twitter. Maybe it needed to be longer?

I came across him only recently and luckily am still watching his original material.

I have noticed the same thing in the past year and I'm glad to see I'm not the only one. I can admit that I was a huge fan(boy) of Peterson for years, in fact back in 2017 when I discovered him his lectures pulled me out of suicidal thoughts after a big breakup. But recently you can notice the change in his behaviour and approach. It's not about *what* he's saying (although he talks about more diverse topics with more confidence like climate change and similar), but *how* he says it. As he says himself - be careful with your speech. It's one thing to say "I think we should be careful about those new policies which are intended to help with X, because there are potential huge drawbacks" and it's another when you say "Climate change fascists are trying to destroy...". Siding with a specific political wing, when he was the one who taught me that every view is worth listening to and there's always something good to learn from every side, is particularly disappointing to watch. I don't think that him crying more often during interviews is something to criticize him for. It might be sign of emotional dysregulation, but maybe it's him embracing his emotional side more and more, and being comfortable with the world to see it. He is, after all, talking about some serious and heartwrenching topics when speaking in public.

I don't there's been a decline. Just a change of focus for him. He's doing his work with Daily Wire, podcasts (and probably in the process of writing a new book). He's done the majority of his work and impacted the culture in a positive way, so he's prolly just taking it easier...he isn't getting any younger.

This video seems extremely anti JP biased... DailyWire has literally better view numbers than almost all mainstream media now, no? Not sure how that makes him less mainstream lol. Obviously, JP got some issues on some fronts. Definitely getting a bit bitter, but to say he's in decline is a bit silly when the fastest growing media network is paying him probably millions *rolleyes*

I think he's wrestling with spiritual issues. Takes a toll.

People like Jordan are meant to get you to ask questions He like everyone else are flawed and shouldn't be the be all, end all For me, I'm really thankful to dr Peterson. He helped me understand myself better and I cannot thank him enough for that Edit: for those of you who the feel the overwhelming urge to mention every terrible thing JP has done or said, you've missed the whole point of my comment You should focus on your own happiness and that of the people you care about the most. Getting into petty squabbles on the internet because you have to be 'right' is going to be a waste of your time and before you realise you don't have a lot of it, it'll be too late

Jesus. His newer tweets are hard to defend. That’s tough to come to terms with

Thanks for detailing all of the threats against JP, few dare to expose just how scary that must have been for him and his family and the impact that had on him.

I think his mental and physical health has had the most impact. Peterson could easily become relevant again but has had to step back for health and family reasons, it took a huge toll on him and his family putting themselves out like that.

The first 15 mins you summarise his effectiveness and appeal. The last 5 mins you just mention opinions from others and yours about him, which you are welcome to do. However, he is still saying all the same things he always has for decades. Anything he says is backed up by research and evidence. You mention his tweets, a tiny proportion of what he says, so what? His tours and lectures are still very successful. His alliance with DW gives him more reach not less. His emotion has been evident for decades in what he cares about: people and their plight. He is still a light of common sense in a world of relativism and complete idiocy. Decline? No. Evolution? Maybe. You may not like him but he is still a thorn in the side of people who define themselves by group identity and those who push today’s modern lies and long may that continue.

This was very well done. Just found your channel after you were on CD.

Totally disagree with the contention he'd declined. Just changed and evolved his method of messaging. This man will be revered when people wise up.

I dont really agree with you. That he does talk about issues that are not his core expertise is true. But then it also takes listeners to consider his words themselves. It doesnt take away from his fantastic contribution. The idiosyncracies of his personality or bahviour also dont take away from his great contribution. One shouldnt mistake a perceived lack of personality warmth for an effective and careful, considered, compassionate rendition of a topic, that in itself, renders a valid conclusion which is highly desirable for many people. Its easy to forget that he was highly contrary and intelligent about ridiculous subjects which most people couldnt express but completely understood! He put that in words and made sense of it and he still does. Your narrative about downfall is really just over-conceptualising.

Since his daughter has become involved in his business and speaking engagements there has been a noticeable decline: quantity over quality, poor selection of guests/interviewees, lack of focus and polish, looking for $$ and basically spreading himself too thinly instead of focusing on his strengths. He's running himself ragged and I really think he needs to take a break from public life.

That was a fantastic summary. I hope for all our sakes there is a third act and it is more Return of the Jedi than Godfather III

I've enjoyed your insights on The Critical Drinker's live streams, so thank you. I'm guessing that (at the time of this posting) 210 likes and 49 dislikes, puts the ball in an awkward court, so to speak. I certainly appreciate the recall, research and thoroughness of your video. I'm not a "Jordan is God" type by any means and I see your viewpoint in regards to his change. Your assessment is accurate. I have especially noted his shift in promoting his religious beliefs more so than he had done in the past. I do wonder, if his discourse shift is more related to an accumulated frustration in the realization that although he impacted many people initially, he also realized, over time, that he didn't really affect any change in the landscape, as a whole. All this can be seen in his snarky Twitter posts, as you stated. I've heard him say that he thinks he should avoid Twitter, but just keeps getting sucked in. It's easy for me to avoid Twitter and I do. I joined when Elon took over and made one post to him - my only post ever. It simply said, "Institute dislikes for comments, please!". I couldn't give a toss about Twitter and actually loathe its existence for so many reasons, but no one talks about me on that platform. I would surmise that having the public notoriety that Peterson has, makes it irresistible to avoid commenting. In summary, I guess I'd have to say that while Peterson has indeed lost the edge he once had, he's still done a lot of good out there. I'll check in on his KZhead page every now and again, avoiding the religious stuff for sure, but he still has some compelling interviews with people that I really enjoy. He's still a really smart and insightful guy though, and I'd rather listen to him than all the race hustlers that are regressing society back to the sixties, all in the name of their warped ideologies. "The light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long." (Tyrell, Blade Runner, 1982) Cheers, Sev

He still puts up interesting stuff, but it's not the same. Hardened. Captured. I can't see him as the same free thinker he once was, and that breaks my heart.

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The part you call a decline for Peterson seems more like pondering in order to not be canceled by certain groups you want to be ok with, but this concerns he brings into are very well supported and a significantly needed by an academic like him to expose and criticize these false argument made by woke universities, because there's no other psychologist talking about how dangerous is for mental health these moder takes about gender and stuff we are forced to get into if you decide to study social science in college

It takes years to full recover from those benzodiazepine addictions. The withdrawal is the worst of any from what I’m told so my guess is he’s still not fully out of that. Maybe never will be

He tends to come at things from a different angle, but he is armed with a lot of knowledge and facts, which he articulates in his own unique style. He has the ability to be both straightforward, and profound, simultaneously. He is right about a lot, but not everything.

Writing this comment four months after you posted your video, JP has stepped back from the vitriolic Tweets and mostly returned to his formerly contemplative demeanor. It's certainly for the best. By the way, I think JP's remark that progressive women have a desire for "brutal male domination" was meant jokingly. JP could do a better job of balancing his seriousness with humor, but he has his moments.

I think the overall feeling you are picking up on is that he's become the character of himself. Some essential strength, be it of mind or will, seems to have waned...perhaps understandably so.

Echo Chamberlain failed to note two things when delineating Peterson's downfall: 1) In Peterson's recent controversial statements, pretty much everything he has said has been dead-on balls accurate. 2) If Peterson is now seen as a right-wing figure, alienating those on the left, you would think that if anything this would only increase his prominence on the right; so the extent of his downfall is still not explained. I myself am not nearly as drawn to Peterson's uploads as I was five years ago, but I'm really not sure why this is the case. My hunch is that, instead of presenting his own ideas, he now seems to prefer discussions with other intellectuals, and I'm much more interested in his own thoughts.

For many years, the ideas of Jordan Peterson were very influential to me and in so many ways, they still are. I don't go as far as you do in your criticism (dismissing the likelihood of a 'third act' is pure speculation). Nevertheless, and as painful as this is for me, I agree with the substance of your argument - both in describing the situation and in your analysis of the underlying causes. It makes me wonder: what does a person say after they've said what they came to say?

One year later we can see this trope is absurd, hysterical, and vacuous. A wonderful example of trolling. It shows the worst of human nature when the author uses the fact no one knows who he is to snipe at his betters. But, while this trope will soon be forgotten, the more insidious nature of the mob will not be dismissed.

We're seeing the third act playing out now. His series on Genesis and Exodus have been hugely popular and he'll likely continue with more books of the Bible. He also has the ARC initiative, though that hasn't really taken off yet so hard to tell where that is going. But at least it is very ambitious.

...this video was unwatchable by roughly the 18th minute mark. The narrator devolves into blanket assertions that indicate a rather venomous bias. All good if the bias is more honestly asserted, but it proves nothing to those who are observing without attachment to any colours, fabrics, or pages of the 'culture war'. Peterson's emotional centre has been shredded. He continues to lay himself bare in front of the digital masses. He may have a Christ complex, but i hope he never stops speaking -- and not because i agree with everything he says. JP is an honest voice in shockingly corrupt times.

Personally, I know two persons including myself who changed their lives after reading his books and lectures. He opened the door to so many avenue of thinking that I was unaware of, and it is my belief that a friend of mine who eventually committed suicide wouldn't have done so if I was just brave enough and held together enough to reach out and told him to watch Peterson's videos like I did in my dark times. Years after I got better and got my life in order, I met him in his lecture event in 2022. I cant explain it exactly other than he does really care about people he meet. Its active effort in his part to put people at ease. From various interviews I've watched, he usually breaks down in tears specifically this part of conversation. I think what really put burden on him is unnecessary pain people go through in society at this time. Even though he treated people with despair and mental illness for two decades, I dont think that prepared him at all of the level of despair on this scale. I think thats what really damaged him considering that is the part where he often breaks down in tears talking about it. He is a great net positive to the world, and I dont think its fair to burden him to carry that role. What, sadly, would happen is that in the absense of that role, someone else will fill it, and ones who fill it wont do better job realistically, such examples as the manosphere pollbearers.

I was glad to see this. I notice that when you try to discredit him, you tend to paraphrase him in your own words instead of letting him speak. There isn’t anything I see in what he himself says and writes, that indicate any decline. He does mention at times in clips that you don’t reference, that he has gotten angry at being constantly attacked, and thinks he shouldn’t be, but is still recovering from those attacks and medical problems, but you don’t include much of that, but simply mention a “decline”. Then again, I admit to finding him clearly in the right and a necessary voice, even where you think him wrong. It seems odd that you and others declare he has moved “right”, when it seems obvious that the left has done the moving.

When you start to believe the hype other people give you and lose sight that you are as flawed and prone to mistakes as everyone else.

I think he is again returning to the center, especially after watching his last interviews. He has people in his life with opposing values and political views that he trusts and are his friends, and they have strongly critiqued his recent behavior of reactionary mean tweets, mean tweets that have done nothing but push him more to the right and alienated reasonable left-leaning audience. I think there is hope to see a positive change, he had a strong fall and I hope to see him calmer and collected again, no human is infallible... he has helped me out of some dark times with his lectures, and I'm biased in my opinions about him, but I feel I owe him at least a couple of more chances. Hope you had a merry Christmas people of the void!

While I don’t agree with your characterization I’m glad I watched it and I respect your opinion. Keep up the good work and post more vids like this, preferably delving way deeper if required (as I believe was the case this time).

I'm happy he is still around.

I really wish that Christopher Hitchens had been able to stay in the ring for a few more years. I would have given a lot to see long-form discussions between him and Dr. Peterson.

Not a decline. He’s just at a plateau. Everyone’s appeal levels out eventually.

I don't think there's been a decline so much as an understandable response to a series of life shaking events that would send many to their knees. A sudden rise to fame, being constantly slandered and misrepresented, a series of 'gotcha' interviews, serious illness for both himself and his immediate loved ones... And he STILL remains optimistic about the future. I think JP has been through a lot, but if anything, his experiences only leave him more capable of speaking to those in low places. A man I seriously respect for his sheer resilience.

To call Peterson contrarian is absurd. I mix with loads of people of all ages, it is very rare to find someone who doesn’t find the current obsession with trans issues and rainbow flags completely bizarre. Most people are happy to treat others with respect, and that includes respect for gay people, but what we see today is an enforced silencing of any opinion that goes against the so called woke agenda. Peterson is one of the few people who has the freedom to stand up and speak out. Most people are too scared of having their careers destroyed. And I suspect he is angry as a result of the appalling treatment of him by fellow academics. Your video clips illustrates well how thoughtful he is. One might not agree with everything he says, or even most of it, but he is thought provoking and has so many insights, and interesting ways to look at the modern world. I grew up in a poorish family surrounded by left wing nonsense, that encourages victimhood. How I wish he had been around back then, teaching the virtue of self improvement and taking responsibility for oneself. He is a marvellous man.

Here we are a year later, and he's still out there, as current as always.

Your video should be called "The Decline of Western Psychology" with a sequel called "The Death of Psychiatry."

Never been a big fan of JP but he's right about one thing namely the Twitter files are way worse than Watergate. To deny this is being part of the downwards spiral.

His framing of Russia's invasion of Ukraine in the context of cultural issues like gay rights or whatever did NOT impress me.

I think Peterson still has one more way of looking at things in life and that's to consider the virtues of how he used to talk to how he is now. He's off balance and I don't think he's had that moment of clarity in his life now. Cutting ties with The Daily Wire would certainly help his reputation.

I listened to an interview Peterson did with a pastor on zoom (its the only one i think hes done where he has complete contempt for his host, down to his disinterested body language) and he was asked if he sees any parallels between himself and CS Lewis. Peterson wasnt too pleased. I think the comparison is warranted, but a little too generous. CS Lewis played with his thoughts, and could smash them together with very little regard for what the results would be. He played with his audiences, and enjoyed verbal tennis. Most importantly, he tripped into the spotlight accidentally, never got used to it, and bowed out rather quietly once he realized he couldnt compete with the generation to come. Im not interested enough in what Peterson does now to check my work, but it seems like he used to be desperate to teach, and on fire to pass on what he knew, because he saw people needed it so desperately. He was having fun ,and he was fun to watch, and he let you know that everyone was in on the party.Then he got into the conversation, and hes shifted focus onto personal intellectual development, using the resources he now has at his disposal. Good for him, but its not really about me anymore, which is also fine, but im not obligated to join the crowdfund for Petersons extended education. I mean, even Hitchens is polite enough to call me stupid sometimes. Its nice when a famous guy like him takes the time to make me feel included...

So essentially you're lambasting Peterson because he is (finally) realizing the hopeless state of the institutions which he had regarded as mainstream and reasonable all throughout his (very respectable) life. Peterson is not the one in decline, Mr. Chamberlain - it is you who, judging by this video, are too concerned with "mean tweets" to realize that the things you regard as reasonable and nice have been decaying for decades, and recently crossed over into the twilight zone. They now do far more harm than good, and are therefore not "sustainable" in the only sense that matters: human flourishing. People of good conscience are gradually waking up to that, and starting to busy themselves with building something to replace it.

great video. it would even be greater if the sound volumes of the used clips were the same

Who's the lady wearing the tie?

“Sentimental and brutal” (spoken by a character from a Hollingshurst novel?) That does seem to have emerged in JBP. But among his adversaries in ‘woke’ academia, mainstream politics and NGOs, confronted with serious and evidenced opposition from critics (incl JBP) and grass roots, actual argument has given way to withdrawal and concession (as with the craven gender doctors behind ‘WPATH’) or fanaticism - which has its own sentimentality. Nicola Sturgeon for example.

Maybe he realizes that calm, mannered criticism isn’t working. He has a lot to be bitter and angry about. The thing that attracts me to Peterson was and is his authenticity.

His wifes illness and his addiction to a medication drug (almost killed him) has taken its toll but he is still a force to be reckoned with!

I’d say this is a fair assessment of what has happened to Peterson.

Even though i apreciate and feast on your views on movies, actors, etc, with this video (as someone here said) i've got an ideea on where you're standing in regard to climate stuff, transalphabet people, left, right, plandemy. Thank you sir. Even though it's been short (4-5 videos) our ways will take part. All the best.

You must not forget that he was an academician in social sciences where education got huge hit by woke academicians. The university educations system in those departments are enormously hindered by that effect. So I believe it to be more redeemable for him to have a not so outspoken enmity toward those people. "Equality of outcome" argument is very at the point by the way.

Don't think for a millisecond that this video's attempt to tear this man down worked on me. JP is man whom the world needs. He says the unpopular things, he swims upstream and tells the truth of his own mind. He's human as the rest of us. He's salty and that's what people need. We have too much sugar in this world. Jordan my friend, blessings if you read this.

Has the Ontario board that regulates psychologists removed his designation as a clinical psychologist yet? (Also, is he still on the meat only diet? )

Calling people based on biological reality makes sense. It good to protect children from unnecessary surgeries that do permanent harm. Getting them hooked on drugs, hormones and surgeries can also destroy them economically when they are adults also. Making Doctors rich and them poor.

A factor in his decline could just be age. I know he's not that old, but traumatic experiences tend to age people beyond their years. Five years ago, my father underwent an aortic dissection, which means his aorta split down the middle and he had to be rushed into emergency surgery before he bled to death. He survived the surgery, but he has rapidly changed since then. He is not as openminded as he used to be, he is more emotional, his memory and ability to learn new things have been compromised. And he is not yet sixty. It sounds like Peterson has undergone a similar change. Just know that his lack of openmindedness might not be his fault.

Is this chat gtp being asked to present a review of someone from a particular angle in this case present the person as failing in some way?

He speaks a great deal of Truth!

Right now he has the most insightful and valuable interview show in KZhead. Saw him live a couple months ago and it was very thought provoking and inspiring. The guy is on fire, and I just came here to see if there was a political leaning here.

I think that when Dr Peterson first arrived on the scene that his bravery and push back against the far left and right was novel, eloquent and loud. He was saying things that everyone was thinking but too nervous or I’ll prepared to say publicly. I believe what has happened is that he has led a whole generation to start pushing back with well thought out and careful arguments. He might have diminished only in that the volume of the push back has increased but his voice is just as clear and mighty and until the extreme left and right stop spewing their same warn out ideology I think it’s fair to say that Peterson fans will want to keep hearing from him. As well he seems to be an excellent long form interviewer over many topics so could be relevant by applying his clear thinking and insight with many interviewee’s.

I respectfully disagree on a few things. 09:04 It was kind of Channel 4 to edit out the sound of gears grinding lol 12:30 I've heard a few interviews he's had in which he's elicited a laugh from the audience, by stating facts, *thats* more impressive than dry wit (maybe only imo). Also, he debated some race-hustler in the US who was *'all flash, no substance'* whereas Peterson was *'all substance, no flash'* (the Munk debate) The thing is; he's *not* a political pundit or a Hitchens' style provocateur. He's just a guy. A professor articulating what he sees wrong with the world. 12:40 I think he said something like 'feminists have made a concerted effort to eliminate masculinity they find troubling (or they dont understand e.g. boys roughhousing) but the average woman finds masculinity appealing, so they date men from relatively more masculine cultures'. I know a few men who only date asian women because they're "more feminine" than western women, I guess Peterson is highlighting the female version of that phenomenon. 12:44 His message has always been "dont force me to say something under penalty of law". plain and simple. Check out his Bill C16 video, it's insightful. Regarding his drug use: Nietzsche said "Suppose I have the key to your chains, why should your and my lock be the same?" His advice is still solid, but he's still a man who has been through a lot. Also, it's not a good idea to portray someone's opinions without understanding *why* they have those opinions. (He says Canada switching to green cars is silly, *why does he think that?*)

I think his latest series of conversations (especially with Niall Ferguson) have been absolutely brilliant. Probably his best work so far. And I say this despite being a Peterson skeptic.

I don't really follow him anymore. I just hope he gets better.

I deny your diagnosis.

What an appropriately titled channel you have here.

I was going to lodge some middling protestations about JP, but after your screed on his compelling and logical arguments , I found it reaffirming ofm his strengths and why he is a force of posotive , despite his B Shapiro Israel problems and many of his religious non-sequiturs about God and faith.

Well, it is a year later and he is doing just fine...

I'm writing this before watching the whole video, so apologies for however I'm being redundant, but what is so obviously problematic for him, and where he, himself, becomes problematic is mostly contained within his celebrity. It is, again, very obviously, the only reason so many people would come to debate what his legacy will be in the first place. I think if Jordan was able to be honest enough with himself, he would admit that he is not cut out for fame, and his pursuit of it, beyond the storm of events that made his being a public figure possible, was/is a mistake. Perhaps, vanity is what I'm getting at here, beyond whatever righteous compulsions he has, real or imagined. While I am really disappointed that he is with the daily wire now, I am hoping it gave him some much needed stability. It's not necessarily the conservative alignment I hate, but rather it's him having any such strong alignment to an agenda that will inevitably, or even just potentially, limit what he can say. Truly, a short time ago, we see Jordan rejecting the conservative label, and on several occasions. I hope he can distance himself from his celebrity well enough, if and when he should feel it is appropriate to do so, and focus more on things not so effectively divisive. To me, he is such a beautiful abstract thinker, and coupled with the fact that he is known for taking liberties with conjecture, this dude should teach an online course about philosophy and/or mythology. You could argue that he has revealed his inner determinist within some of his arguments, especially about hierarchies and climate change (this specific take being more dog shit than not, of course), so why not teach a class about free will versus determinism? What about altruism, or how altruism and determinism might interact with each other? Ancient Greek comedies and all the concepts, such as irony, contained within them? That's also perfect! I'd sign up for a philosophy/mythology/classics course taught by Jordan Peterson in a heartbeat! So, to his credit, I suppose, this wouldn't even be something for me to think about had he not pursued such a public life.

A great video analysis, let's revisit the last ten percent of it in the next 12 to 24 months?

I will always find value in what his appearances and talks have done for me. His talks and book helped turn my life around.

I think its pretty pathetic to criticise the person and not argue against the topics. It seems to be a common way of shooting down someone's argument. Personal criticism. How about present a better argument. Be original and put your own stuff out there. Do we want a society where anyone that goes out in public and gives a view leaves themselves open to personal criticism and ridicule. Is that a way of intimidation. In an democratic society everyone can speak. Enjoy the market place of different views.

I find it difficult to listen to Peterson's more recent discussions because he speaks over his guests, pontificating on his own thoughts rather than bringing out the thoughts of his guest, who tend to get maybe 1/3 or less of speaking time.

Jordan was in I am true fallacy where i have accounted for everything and this is the right way but when he understood the slice pf reality that people go through he was fcked up and weeping...

He started to mindlessly pander to Israel that's where he cracked. I don't if this is before or after his interview with Netanyahu but jeez, he fell from the grace Infront our eyes.

I personally hope he continues his comeback. We all love a redemption story. And he does not need redemption in the classic sense. His redemption is reclaiming his life and his life's works.

Jordan Peterson always helps me to see another point of view that intially I may of disagreed with. He challenges some of my preconceived notions about things and gets me to think about them more. He might be a bit more clumsy in his approach now or a bit more sensationalist but i always see it as him working out his ideas on the fly. And the more he talks about those ideas the more refines them. You cant judge him by his latest ideas until he's talked about it a few times and can word it in a more concise and deliberate way.

Cathy Newman wasn't unprepared: I'd say she prepared for the occasion for a long time. Peterson only had to show his empathy with the group she accused of being the problem. Even then, he always acknowledges weaknessess, strengths, hardships and dilemmas in regard to both sexes. Maybe not equally but even then: if he would prodominantly focus on woman's issues I'm sure there would be backlash for that as well. I agree that Peterson had better stay closer to his profession in regard to his comments, you just don't want to water down what you're best at, saturation level etc, but that's all strategic talk. Emotionally he hits several strings with me: he is vulnerable, cursed with a great sense for human suffering and a conscience to match and he's not afraid to show it. I like that in men, in healthy doses. As much as that can affect clear, straight thinking, I have grown very weary of all too well self-composed people, especially now that we face some challenges that may demand a departure from the trajectory of predetermined "politeness" and/or apathy. It was clear that Peterson spent many, many days of his life communicating with the group she accused. She not only came off as someone who didn't spent a lot of time thinking about the struggles of manhood, she probably spent very little time with the group she tried to speak for, and lost the argument to top it all off. To make it even worse, let's not forget that she had the advantage of picking the exact subjects (with sheer endless what if's, moving goalposts, and she had the advantage of formulating the questions in advance. Do away with the attitude, the red dress, be genuinly interested not even in the man, but in why he resonates with so many. Funny thing is that Peterson refers to things like "a fatherless generation", so there's plenty of blaming men to agree on.

I agree some of this video, e.g. - Twitter is too brief to convey what he wants to say. However, it's incorrect to say that Jordan Peterson is like Christoper Hitchens (or his brother Peter Hitchens). This is because the Hitchens brothers are both cypto-communists: they have a 'chocolate box' opinion of Russia, e.g. 'Russia is full of beautiful dancers who make merry all the time'. This is why the Hitchens brothers criticise almost everything the West has to offer.

In academics, being so relevant for a decade is a good run. But yes, he has gotten emotional now because he's simply being himself on the internet. But he's still the least bad choice you can make as far as content and education goes.