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ed and butter podcast needs to be a thing. just you and a big ol tub of some off brand butter. on Halloween you could dress up as corn
Glee was a groundbreaking show in that it demonstrated that anyone, regardless of race, gender, or sexuality, can be a terrible person
a fact almost never recognized by hollywood, or any other government run media.
and that's the dream! lol if it stuck to being a satire and being aware of the ridiculousness of how much some of them have their moments of being terrible people rather than those times where it tries to be a drama then it would have worked great
realest take
i agreed with this comment, but youtube apparently censored it out of existence. that's annoying.
@@Choryrthwtf are you talking about. Why do y'all think everything is a conspiracy? We still see the comment lmao
A comedian once described watching “Glee” as tripping on acid. “You have no idea what’s going on and every now and then you hear a song you recognize”
That's not what acid is like at all
@@drew1564 no shit, that’s why a comedian said it, as a joke lol
that actually does sound a little bit like a psychedelic trip, specifically one of the unpleasant ones.
It's what gay people wish high school was really like
Glee's not an acid trip. It's a fever dream
As someone who is getting their teacher certification, the scene with Will watching a male student shower is insane to me. That is so inappropriate on so many levels.
He just wanted a peak
lol it’s insane how many people thought the show was supposed to be a lighthearted family friendly comedy, that also should accurately portray how teachers & students should act.
I can’t keep defending bro
I never watched glee, and I'm a teacher. Seeing that clip made my whole body tense up like watching a horror movie.
Do they teach you that at teacher certification camp
To be fair, this show is supposed to be a satire but along the way it lost its satirical edge and just became another teen drama. If you watch this pilot as a satire then it’s actually quite good.
It's not satire. Theater kids are just bad people, so it makes sense that show made to appeal to them would also be filled with horrible people.
@@Abcdefg-tf7cugeez you must be some kinda dork if the theatre kids were bullying you
@@ottoban861 Unlike you, I don't base my adult life on personal resentments from high school. By the way, everyone knows that theater kids like you are all backbiting bullies. It's why most people don't like theater kids. We think you're a bunch of gossips who try to tear each other down. No one has ever seriously been "bullied" by you people. We just know that you're desperate to try.
@@ottoban861 Like, it is both hilarious and pathetic that you think I must have been "bullied" by theater kids, or that any sane person would carry such resentment into adulthood if I was. Really telling on yourself, there.
@@Abcdefg-tf7cu I’m sorry, I must have brought back some bad memories about that time you got strung up the flag pole by Shakespearean nerds in frills
I feel like Glee was meant to be full parody-and then people took it at face value, and then it was forced to take itself seriously.
Ah the ""ironic" thing becoming surrounded by idiots thinking they're in good company" effect
I agree, esp watching the progression of the first season it really seems like satire gone wrong
that’s 100% the case and most of these reviews missed that part completely. they treat it as some sort of feel good, teen drama gone wrong when it was never meant to be that in the first place.
Yes
@@irismercado92 Yeah I'm glad Ed acknowledged that it was a parody/satire show or at least trying to be that did it badly. It's kinda hard to have genuine drama in shows where the very premise is satire but they tried...and failed lmao
"He's not disgraced after inappropriately touching a student?" Actually that feels accurate for 2009
Or 2021…..
@@spiderdude2099 legit happened at my old high school (can look it up it cottage Grove high school in Oregon) and he’s disgraced. It happened in 2019
How?
One of our teachers in middle school literally put a couch in his classroom and was accused multiple times of being inappropriate with his students and he was finally fired last year. He tried getting reinstated after complaining to the state and was successful and the district and school still said no.
When I was in high shcool im 2009 my teacher did this and went to prison, sooo.
My logic is that no one hates Glee more than Glee fans.
God this is so true hahajaha
I can’t believe how obsessed I was with this show my senior year of high school and throughout college. Like it pains me to remember this. I even read Glee fanfic. FML.
Honestly I love that for you bestie
I wrote a Glee spec script for one of my screenwriting classes in college - the one-hour teleplay. We were in the middle of season 2 at time. I loved it too. It's not "good", but I do think a lot of the critics, especially most of these commenters, take it way too damn seriously and are overly moralistic about it. They take it way more seriously than it ever took itself, even during its big dramatic stories.
I don't know why I liked the show so much.
same dude, same.
I liked highschool of the dead in my junior high don't feel bad
"a reverse that's so raven-moment, otherwise known as a memory" eddy. that was brilliant.
@@user-km5rr9nh4b Come on, Cami.. This isn’t you.. I know you can do better.. 😕🙏🙏
Botted comment
It was. So is the ad for the company with the terrible working conditions and false information regarding their waste.
@@Skarry hey man, an ad deal is an ad deal.
@@thedankgnasty1890 true
Will is literally the definition of “peaked in high school”
And didn’t even have a good peak
And normally the stereotype there is the jock will peak early, while the band kids will be much more successful cuz ya know.. we're nerds
@@michaeladams1136 which I find ironic because being a successful musician and a successful athlete are both incredibly unlikely and difficult
@@michaeladams1136 I mainly hear it with smart kids peeking at 10ish and then going downhill from there
@@jacksondbrophy9 I more so meant the "band geek" stereotype is typically someone who is intelligent or nerdy and therefore will likely get a high paying job like become an engineer or something like that. I've never heard of the stereotype someone being smart and failing lol
What I find funny is that Finn makes up a lie saying that Shue offered him extra credit to join the Glee Club, which...is a significantly less creepy and illegal way of getting a kid to join a club than blackmailing him with drug possession And if it's not a lie then that means Will went "okay so on top of not going to jail, you also get extra Spanish credit" and not once did he decide "let me try the other thing first and see if it's enough"
I’m fully convinced that the reason why we basically went 10 whole years without a popular high school drama show is because Glee tainted the genre
Riverdale ran for 7 seasons. 13 reasons why and sex education both had 4.
That’s just not true lol
pretty little liars was and continues to be iconic
eddy baby, you did it!! the video is out! i’m watching the video that is out!
what an astute observation nickisnotgreen (main channel) greenisnotnick (second channel)!
I think that you are lying Nicholad
Still waiting on that announcement for your boxing match with Scott! I'm betting all my savings that it ends Step Brothers style on the front lawn
nicholas is not verde
Nick n’est pas vert
Oh boy what a cool video that won’t get taken down immediately
watch it or i will privatize this one just to spite you david
@@EddyBurback oh god please keep watching David, it’s all in your hands
Be a real shame if a certain company with a certain famous mouse took issue with this video. They may not think it's good for what Bruce Greene would call, "DISN-ness".
David don't fuck this up
We're all counting on you, David
I keep coming back here hoping Eddie does more Glee to no avail
yeah the video did well, where's the sequel Eddy? 🤨
I'm not even subscribed to this channel and I still check it out from time to time, in case if the sequel to this video has come out already.
I always thought of Glee as a Parody and commentary. You can't take it seriously. It's like High School Musical meets It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia. Terrible people in cliched settings. It ultimately fails as parody because it takes itself too seriously (like The Orville) by the end
"I'm not homophobic, I have two dads." Have the same energy as "I'm not racist, I have a black dad." Which ironic enough she does have a black dad. So I'm terrified.
The wrote the black dad out later when they actually got actors to play them, making it even worse 😂
@@sourgreendolly7685 oh god it was worse than I thought. 😂
If you have a black dad, that means YOU’RE black. Why would a black person be racist?
@@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770 Adoptive, my dude. Also pretty sure just about anyone can be racist.
@@lankyhanky9772 if your dad was black and you hate black people, I sure would hate to meet that dad.
Gleeking out so hard rn.
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Hope you’re doing well love
You should keep making these. Glee is a dumpster fire that you can't look away from.
6:58 It costs money to buy the music sheets, and given that they only sing pop songs, they're more expensive
The part I liked the most about the show is how the awkward, bullied people can also be a giant asshole in their own right.
@@MC-eu8wm *conservatives But sure, project your own flaws on the other side. Because that's charming.
Everyone is an asshole. Especially the people who think there are differences between the two political parties.
lol I did like that part because accurate. some of the cruelest adults are the kids who got bullied thinking torturing others that had nothing to do with it gives them peace.
Some awkward bullied people are bullies themselves without as much power. I thought I could be friends with certain outkast kids in school but their idea of bonding was criticizing other people with different flaws or sometimes even the same flaws.
@@monstermcboo7282 ESPECIALLY the people who buy into the “liberal vs conservative” line of bullshit. Blissfully unaware that they’re contributing to the system they claim to despise more than anyone. Keep the population fighting over trivial nonsense and they’ll never come for you…
Has anyone mentioned the fact that, while Will's wife is announcing that she's pregnant, she's holding two very full glasses of champagne?
It _could_ have been non-alcoholic champagne or sparkling cider! …it wasn’t, because everyone on this show sucks, but it still _could_ have been 😂
I'm so glad that she wasn't..
@@eileensnow6153 that’s kinda the point lmao
Thank you. I was wondering why!
She wasn’t really pregnant. She was faking it.
I remember watching the very first episode of Glee with my mom and my sister. I despised the show and could not understand why everyone loved it so much. Finally hearing someone else say it was bad is SO validating.
glee is like if it’s always sunny was for young teens and had subtlety to HIDE how bad the people are. always sunny is honest, you should HATE the characters. but glee wants you to love them
JESUS YOU'RE RIGHT!!
The fact that you're still in what's largely considered the GOOD part of glee says a lot about what this show is
It's really insane how problematic that show was and how much they got away with it for so long.
@@enriquesanchez9016 that's worst part though, they didn't only "get away with it for so long", The show ended because of one the actors died, and not because of the show itself
@@shrekingwald it’s sad that three of the actors died.
Let's not forget this show (the fandom, to be specific) is what birthed cancel culture
@@littlelady9801 o why is that! im not too familiar with its legacy (good or bad)
The pervert teacher not being disgraced is sadly accurate, my high school math literally got caught sexting a student and he went on to go teach at a middle school 10 miles away
"He can't be appropriate around kids.. lets put him with even younger kids!" Thats the stupidest logic
My school district fired at least 1 teacher every year for getting involved with students, from middleschool to hs. And I had 3 that should have gotten fired(if only I knew to report comments)
My world.history teacher actually *dated multiple* students and it was well known and *joked* about. 10 years later he is still working there
I swear everyone I know has a predator teacher story. Like holy shit this should not be as common as it is
While in high school I had a teacher who was growing marijuana and selling it to students. It was discovered because he was going through a divorce and his wife reported him. And he go busted with it in his car of school grounds. The reason for the divorce was his cheating (rumored to be a student).
As a late 2000s highschooler in chorus, watching this show with people genuinely traumatized me. I realized people were going to think this shit was normal. Theater kids are very hollowly enthusiastic and people are catty but there was no need to reinforce creepy and weird af behavior on national television.
The paint ball thing is absolutely true. My husband did.this as a hobby for a while. Those things would’ve left massive bruises all over his body if they did that, especially that close to him. Would definitely count as assault.
“Glee club nationals was the greatest moment of my life” Literally was told he’s having a kid the day before
Is literally married to a woman who he thinks is great
Will sucks 💀
@@eileensnow6153 "Fuck that kid and my wife"
That would honestly make me depressed if i heard someone tell me that. Like, that’s complete honesty, the best moment in your entire life? That’s just sad.
A kid with who tho?
“A reverse ‘That’s so Raven’ moment otherwise known as a memory” Killed me omg 😂😂😂
I've never seen That's So Raven, pls explain?
@@ob2kenobi388 she can see into the future
@@Thesehandlethingssuck Ah okay gotcha haha!
@@mitchrudolph65 Until yesterday I'd have thought it was forgetting something
Awesome
Eddy: if this video does really well I’ll make a part two. This video: is the third most watched video on his channel. One year later: still no follow up.
First of all, this is the first of your videos I've watched, and I absolutely LOVE your delivery. You have a new fan and subscriber. Second, this whole "jock vs glee club" thing was passe when I was in High School in the 90s. Most of the popular crowd were in multiple clubs, including drama, choir, sports, and student council. Everyone was trying to pad their college resumes so they could get scholarships and get into the best schools.
Glee is one of the most mid 2000s / early 2010s TV shows to ever exist and the fact that it aged terribly just proves it further.
It came out in 2009, not exactly mid-2000s
Yes
Me back in 2010: this show is shit and just pander to gay people Gets called a homophobe (only reason I knew about it is because I dancnced professionally lol) 2021: us realizing it was creepy too
So much from the mid 2000s aged terribly.
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You can tell that Glee started off as a really smart black comedy, but popularity and studio pressure to go more broad twisted it until it actually became an accidental parody of itself instead of the genre tropes and fans in later seasons.
I haven't seen the show, but based on what I've seen other media go through and what Eddie said, I can very easily believe this explanation.
Yeah, I loved the pilot. I thought it was some brilliant comedy, but then it quickly became just a parody of itself and Sue quickly became the only remnant of the show as it once was, while being surrounded by self important teen melodrama. The comedy just... Absolutely disappeared by the second half of the first season
That’s what i’m saying, it’s a black comedy more similar to euphoria than highschool musical. Second season is ass though.
Basically what happens with everything Ryan Murphy does.
I think season 2 and 3 are the best ones.
I feel like the fact that this show is supposed to be satire is important context that we were never told about. It makes so much more sense when you realise they are just making fun of everyone else.
Another huge problem with Will blackmailing Finn, it seems like the show tried to excuse it by being like oh but look how much Finn enjoyed singing and it turned out Will actually was helping him. That’s a very toxic message to put in a t.v. show. It’s ok to manipulate someone into something because you actually know what they want more than they do. Yikes!
I see your problem. You saw ''a message.'' Glee is not an instructional video. There is no message to get from that scene. It's entertainment.
Kurt's dad is literally the only character in this show I care about. Everyone else gets tied up in dumb shit while he just wants to be there for his son. I'd like a show just about him tbh.
Kurt’s dad is unironically an incredibly well written character and it baffles me how the writing team got him so right compared to how horrendously the rest of the cast is handled
@@johnpaulcross424 yeah no kidding I dont know how they shat the bed with basically everyone else
I never really watched this show when it came out so I only knew a few of the characters, but what did Kurt's dad do to be awesome? Just wondering.
the only character that actually had development
@@audreym3908 His main thing for me was being supportive when Kurt came out as gay despite not knowing much about LGBT stuff. There's a scene where Kurt gets called a slur by another Glee club member and his dad has one of the best angry monologues in the show. But generally, he's just a down-to-earth guy who tries his best to be kind to everyone, and his actor portrays that excellently.
Never watched this show, but anyone else thrown off by the fact that Terri surprises will with the pregnancy news while holding two glasses of champagne? Like come on, Pregnancy 101.
I felt the exact same way when I got to that part of the video
Man it makes me uncomfortable
@@icarusmarioFAN I was seriously hoping it was just non alcoholic Apple Cider in fancy champagne glasses but oof
from what i remember, she’s not actually pregnant & she’s just lying. i think the champagne is supposed to be foreshadowing & will tells her not to drink it (although that’s just a guess about the champagne itself, as i don’t fully remember that scene too well)
@@noodlewhacker this would be a very clever method of foreshadowing and storytelling but i really just believe that the writers were lazy and forgot ur not meant to drink alcohol when pregnant and just wrote the world's most basic congratulations scene lol
Living through the height of glee obsession was like a fever dream.
My whole friend group at the time was obsessed with it. I was just so baffled that this crappy cover song drama could enthrall a bunch sneering 20-something indy heads so completely.
yo please make more glee critique 😂 this video was great. I’ve only seen a few of your videos and am super excited to go down the rabbit hole that is your channel!
Boy I sure do love the Glee pilot. I hope that a moustached twin with over 800k subscribers doesn’t break down why it’s actually very bad
One thing! Just one thing! Please tell IT to me: WHY tf do I have so many fans even though no KZheadr is unprettier than I am? WORLDWIDE!!!! WHY??? Tell me, dear ben
@@AxxLAfriku begone bot!
@@AnimatedTerror he’s not a bot lol. Just the most insane man on the internet
By Talos this can't be happening
@@claywilliams6480 I don't think insane people make self-promotional spambot comments, I think really boring and talentless people do
jane lynch CARRIED this show and her character works bc we KNOW that shes supposed to be a bad person. the other characters do worse things than her yet arent explicitly meant to be bad people
Honestly I feel like the only reason Jane Lynch hasn't really received too much shit about her role and why her character is actually generally tolerated a but more than others is because, like you said, Jane Lynch recognized right way that her character was NOT A GOOD PERSON. The character may be a source of comedy, and hell, maybe there might come a time where you can sort of sympathize with parts of her, but she never plays her like her actions are justified. Plays her like her CHARACTER thinks her actions are justified? Oh, absolutely! But she absolutely plays her as someone that, even when introduced with a "reason" for her actions, does not have an *excuse* for her actions. And that's why her performance not only outshined everyone else, but her character and her personal role in the show hasn't received the kind of backlash the others have. You can see the awareness in the way she brings that character to life, and people recognize that.
its an intelligent show. Ardy sucks though, representation and diversity... Another horrible addition was Blaine.
I loved how they also added more depth to Sue’s supposedly one-dimensional character through her love for her sister and her relationship with Becky. I always loved those moments.
rachel is often framed as a terrible person by multiple characters, quinn and santana too
lol thank you for leaving in the 'ed n butter' thing haha. your reaction to your own bad joke was so relatable, we've all been there. also fwiw: the characters who say awful things in the show were meant to be awful even at the time it was airing. like the principal saying 'cripple' was supposed to shock/offend you so you realized how awful he was and how little he cared about the students.
I’m not even gonna lie I LOVE glee. It is so awful in so many ways and I think that’s what makes it enjoyable. It’s one of those shows where you can turn off your brain and get invested in these fictional peoples dumb problems instead of thinking of your own. Not to mention so many things are so out of pocket and wild that when you’re watching it correctly (aka not taking it seriously) it’s an incredibly enjoyable experience. Also, Sue Sylvester and Kurt Hummel the absolute icons they were the only ones I could tolerate (and I doubt that was due to the writers it was solely because of Jane lynch and Chris colfer)
"So, after a long day's work of blackmailing a child..." is a hilarious line. I never saw _Glee_ and had no idea it was this crazy. I still won't watch it, though, so keep these up please.
But the music!
it gets so much worse. i hope he continues the series
Agreed! I would listen to an entire series about Glee. I never watched it but it seems insane.
I pray he get's to the school shooting episode. That episode is pure bonkers.
One of my favorite shows of all time. I love the chaos and its pretty funny.
Kurt’s dad was quite literally the one likable character in the entire show. Supportive as hell of his son, and he goes to bat for him time and time again.
Kurt’s dad was the GOAT
Kurt’s dad hasn’t done a single thing wrong in the show
He's done all the right things. Somehow I think he just slipped through the cracks😂
And as someone who best knows the actor as psychotic mobster Nicky Augustine on Justified's fourth season that never stopped being weird for me.
Loved Kurt's dad
I need a part two for the later seasons. Because shit just keeps getting crazier
just watched your video for the fourth time - wheres the follow up one eddy??? we’ve waited long enoughhh
are we going to talk about how the first thing Will's wife does after she finds out she is pregnant is drink alchohol
Spoiler: She lied about being pregnant, she was never pregnant.
@@pagesinked I’ve never watched a single second of this show, and I still immediately knew she was lying the second Eddy described that part of the plot lmao
@@pagesinked it was revealed pretty early in season 1
@@pagesinked she wasn't lying YET, she thought she really was pregnant for a little bit before the whole "false positive" thing came around
@@QuikVidGuy the face she makes is kind of confusing if she still believed she was pregnant lmao like why does she look so guilty
As someone who hated Glee from the getgo, this video is very satisfying. The holier than thou sanctimony combined with the selfishness masquerading as empowerment drives me nuts. Everyone is a terrible person who does what they do for selfish reasons and yet it's always portrayed like this selfishness is a great thing.
Haha, well at least you tried it. I hated it from the trailers.
I had a friend try to get me into it back in the day by forcing me to watch it on a road trip. I was not impressed.
Kinda the opposite of shameless
I would watch it just because it sounds funny to have every character be an egotistical bastard LMAO
@NikSG94 people are allowed to dislike popular things
You do such a great job explaining it. I’ve never seen the show or been interested in it, but it’s crazy how insane this show is. I might watch😂
idk man top 3 performing vid of yours i think it deserves a followup
Glee is actually a surprisingly accurate demonstration of school. Everybody is absolutely cutthroat and unstable
It still somewhat holds up. Teenagers are fucking RUTHLESS.
😆 I did not go to a school like that. Mine was small, 130-160 kids for the four years I went. So we all knew each other no matter what. Farming area. I lucked out really, because the first school I went too was huge and probably cutthroat.
@@jaymevosburgh3660 we all knew eachother in my school too, just a shame that everybody I knew was a prick lol
@@caoimhedoesstuff9293 That was unfortunate, sorry.
AH... High School... I hated High School... *SO. MANY. MEMORIES.*
“You want to captain the titanic too?” I’m sorry but I did a legit fucking spit take at that, that was hilarious
Did he say too or two? Not a big deal just curious
@@crazybobert5243 In the official script (I looked it up because I was also curious) it says too
oh yeah, like for all my hatred of Glee, it does occasionally get some decent jokes.
The delivery was on point too.
I would love for you to do more Glee videos! This was hilarious.
Soooo, when we getting more glee content? I absolutly love your input on my favorite show 😂
You remember that part later on where the gay kid intentionally manipulates his single father into dating the very, VERY straight boy's single mother for no reason other than wanting to be able to spend more time around the straight boy in order to convince him to try being gay, then when the obviously uncomfortable straight boy comes home to find their room (which they were forced to share against his will, by the way) completely rearranged and redecorated with out his knowledge or consent, he starts using some homophobic slurs to insult the gay boy, and then the straight boy is the one who 'learns a lesson' about tolerance and accepting others while the gay boy gets off with zero repercussions or even a single question about his incredibly disgusting and inappropriate actions? Good times, that.
Holy run-on sentence batman
@@Erikaaaaaaaaaaaaa The entire show is a run-on sentence. It's just horrible thing after horrible thing after horrible thing with no break or respite. Absolute chaos incarnate.
@@bakuhakudraws5603 oh for sure, While I don't condone what Finn said to Kurt, but throughout most of season 1 Kurt's interactions with Finn are pretty much "Predatory Gay tries to forcibly make a straight man gay" so while I don't condone Finn's homophobic remarks, I don't fault Finn for reacting that way. Also, remember when Glee just outright said that Bisexual Men do not exist and instead they are just Gay men still in the closet.
@@KhaosAdmiral yeah, the issue wasn't 'finn didn't do anything wrong' it was that the way the narrative unfolded made it seem like the showrunners thought kurt had done nothing wrong, and finn was the only one who had a lesson to learn. Like I don't blame for finn reacting how he did, but that doesn't make it okay and it's good he learned a lesson. The issue was that kurt never faced any repercussions or learned anything despite what he did being honestly SO MUCH worse.
Agreed with everything, I suppose that it was an attempt to appeal to the-then still-fairly-repressed LGBTQ community... Written by someone who never actually talked to a gay/bi teen about experiences in the high school social settings. And, unlike _Seinfeld_ where you supposed to laugh *at* the horrible people *because* they're horrible people and they get their comeuppance, you're expected to laugh *with* the horrible characters in _Glee_ *despite* them being horrible people who get away more-or-less scot-free. Semi-related: Something tells me you've opened the floodgates for others to start venting actual homophobia, using the episode you've described as "proof" of how "actual" LGBT people "get away" with this stuff "in real life too". So that should be "fun".
The shame is that the show could've been some great character material. They could've had Me Schuster realize that the Glee Club is about the kids, not his selfish desire to relive his youth. Have Sue Selvester learn that being such a terrible person has left her alone and miserable and have her try to be a better person. Even have the bullies learn to empathize with their victims and try to make up for how they wronged them. Having a cast of deeply flawed characters is not an inherently bad thing, and can make for some excellent storytelling.
The cast of Community are flawed in one way or another, but you can see them grow closer and lose some of them along the seasons. Also, it balanced the comedy and heart felt episodes pretty well.
@@helloill672 Community's pilot episode is also a great counterpoint to Glee's pilot. It's horrible people doing horrible things, until faced with the stupid consequences of their stupid actions, they're forced to be genuine with each other for once. Since the writers actually recognize that they're bad, the characters actually receive redemption arcs instead of tacit approval for being assholes
But… that does happen…
@@helloill672 was about to mention Community! Totally agree, that show gets the “flawed but likeable characters” thing right from the pilot episode. I haven’t watched Glee, but from what I can gather it struggles with making its characters likable for a long time, and watching unlikable mean characters for multiple seasons before they learn just doesn’t sound like a great time. That is my personal bias showing though, if someone tells me to watch a show and says “the main character(s) are awful and intolerable for the first few seasons, but they get better later!”, I just won’t want to watch it. I’d rather characters have something redeemable about them from the beginning, otherwise I feel like I’m gonna waste my time. In my opinion, a TV show should have flawed but likable characters who you get invested in, because that’s what TV shows do best. Movies are much better for studies on terrible people, because you only have to sit with them for an hour or two, not hours upon hours
So Glee could have been BoJack Horseman
Please make more, Eddie! I want it so bad!
Honestly that is a lot like my high school 🫠 one teacher that was known to have relationships with students, provide alcohol and other stuff, show up to work hung over, etc. only got relocated by the school district after a girl reported him because she found out he was with her friend too. It was bad enough that everyone knew about him when I was in 3rd grade, and he didn’t get provided a new home and job out of state until I was a junior.
Figured I’d add this: it was so common in our school, I and other students thought it was like that everywhere. When I got to college and started talking to people about my high school, I very quickly realized it wasn’t. There are so so many other instances of stuff like this happening at my school, I firmly believe all of the administrators should be jailed. It’s impossible for any of them not to know after tons of complaints by students having no effect Only times something happened was when the FBI got involved a few times, and then the school would punish anyone that talked about it afterwards
It feels like this show wants to have the "It's Always Sunny" Approach where the comedy comes from everyone being an awful person, yet it also wants you to genuinely care about and root for these characters even though there's very little redemption compared to the genuinely terrible things they do.
Exactly! It started out as a black comedy but once it got really popular the creators felt like they needed to do more with the show and started trying to add lessons on top of everything, which didn't match up tonally with their original intention. Them wanting some parts to be taken as genuine and some to be laughed off and dismissed makes the show feel really inconsistent and messy.
@@Caroline-hw9yw And they even had that competition where a bunch of actors and singers competed for roles on the show, which is CRAZY. When your fallback is to mock and torture a bunch of horrendous characters, why would you compel audiences to vote and encourage young actors who are dying for a big break when you're just gonna misconstrue the tonality even further??? Like, it's such a weird dynamic!
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Yeah, the show has some really weird mixed messages. I remember there being an arc where Kurt is constantly hitting on Finn, including orchestrating a scenario where they're forced to share a room together, and then when Finn finally has enough and tells Kurt to back off everyone gets mad at Finn for coming off like a homophobe.
@@lanceturley7745 I think it was mainly because he used a homophobic slur, I don't think anyone would have had an issue if he was just telling him off. But then again we're talking about glee so who knows
I fell into a “Mr. Schuster from Glee being a creep” compilation rabbit hole not that long ago and boy, as someone who tuned in every week, were my eyes opened wide to just how awful of a person he was! I would love to see more videos about Glee from you!
Another example of the slow Community being ahead of its time
@@TheAcademik *streets ahead
I need to check that out. Occasionally I'll have flash bulb moments where I remember how weird and creepy Will was and it completely catches me off guard.
What's the video called? I would love to watch it
I think Will Schuester is an excellent example of someone who only gets away with things (in 2009 at least) because he's handsome and charismatic and fun. If you had an unattractive short balding fat man play that role, then even back in 2009 people would have thought he was creepy.
I’ve never watched glee a day in my life and being introduced to it this way I can clearly see I’m not missing out on much , great video you covered everything that was somehow worse than I thought, I used to think the show would be cringey so I didn’t watch it but heard about all the drama behind the scenes
Looks like this video did pretty well! I am looking forward to Part 2 if you still feel like doing it
As the series went on, Sue became much more of an antihero than the villain. Honestly, there were so many times when she'd rip into Will over something and you'd be like "Y'know what... SHE IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT on this one! Go Sue!"
Sue: I can’t allow you to dance suggestively in public with a group of minors. Will: *throws a hissy fit*
Santana too. in the beginning she was rude just to be rude, but a lot of what she said was the truth that other people just didn't want to say
@@imdva bruh one of my favorite Santana moments was when she was calling out Will for being a shit Spanish teacher 😂
@@AWildJirachi wasn't he like mad at her for it too? it's possible that i'm making that up but it feels like something that they would have pulled
@@dimensionalremi it's been a while so I could DEFINITELY be remembering this wrong but yeah, I think at first he was kinda miffed with her and didn't really understand why he was being called out 😅😂
"[1997 glee club nationals] was the greatest moment of my life" - a married man who's wife told him the day before that she was pregnant
i would die to see you review the rest of the show omg
MORE PLEASE! Great episode!
Community had such a great bit about this in their show. "Why is everyone so obsessed with Regionals?!"
I mean the whole episode was a Glee Satire, goddamn what a good episode. Not that any other episodes in the first three seasons were any worse
One of my favorite running jokes in the show!
@Laura Brown Thanks Laura, very cool
@TOONS STUDIO never trust anybody that opens with "Hello Americans" lol
Oh, Britta's in this ? :/
Have to be honest, the zoom on the rule “Help the kids” when Mr. Schue has framed him for weed possession is one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen on television
@@mitchrudolph65 She is aware
I remember sitting down to try to binge this in my sophomore year, and when I got to the point where they had a like, ten minute long recap of all the drama going on I was like “wtf am I watching”
I know its been two years, but you should make more videos of this
The most disturbing thing i remember from watching Glee was season 4 episode 20, a future character Ryder opened up to the Glee club about his babysitter touching him when he was 11 and Sam and Artie were like why are you ashamed of that? that's every kids fantasy. Just because his babysitter was a 17/18 year old girl and that infuriated me!! Other people disagreed with it but Ryder just dismissed it and they NEVER talked about it again like ???
*Eddie pulls up green screen* You know the rest.
YES OH MY GOD I BRING THIS UP ALL THE TIME BECAUSE HUH????? The way they glossed over that was so insane to me!!! even back then when most of the other outrageously problematic stuff seemed "normal"
Wtf
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glee is the reigning champion at having characters do shitty things and then never fully apologizing. the arcs always just… fizzle out. The one that stuck with me was how creepy Kurt was toward Finn in the beginning. He SET UP THEIR PARENTS so they’d be living together, but everyone acted like Finn was a jerk for being weirded out??? Then they’re just stepbrothers and everything’s hunky dory. no apology, nothing. ew.
*Ed And Butter* slaps fire
I’m so confused
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please continue with this and make it a series, i really liked this video and want u to make more videos about glee please
16:09 literally peaked in highschool
I want to believe that Glee was truly meant to be a self-aware parody, but then people got WAY too attached to the characters. And I think the studio saw dollar signs and tried to make it super dramatic. I wouldn’t want to know anyone from that show. Lol
I think it was 100% relying on the success of High School Musical.
Sounds right. The early episodes were def parody.
And this happens after the first half of the first season
It's my understanding the writers were both pulling in in opposing directions, which is why it's not consistent with the tone episode to episode.
Yeah, the first season - or at least the OG first 13 eps written and filmed before any audience reaction - was self-aware, satire, funny. And Will was the main character. Then eventually it became a walking PSA and Will was shunted to the side to make way for all the PSA stereotypes.
One big reason that Rachel came across the way she did is that the actress was simply playing herself. She was on Broadway very young and that's just the way she is.
Except Rachel can read
@@ross9944 I feel so proud at having understood this reference 😂
You are saying she wrote her character? Seems unlikely
@@robertwilson3866 NO. What I'm saying is that they wanted a self-centred diva and this is what they cast.
@@surferdude4487 I guess but they still have to act. Like that actor guy who has Parkinson's disease - he doesn't just go out there and be himself.
6:50 asking what glee club could possibly need money for🤣 *sheet music costs intensifies
New subscriber here and this appeared in my suggestions… I love that you did this. I used to love that show and I certainly appreciate your perspective today. You are so right it didn’t age well, especially knowing all of the tragedy that happened with the cast.
I would love to see more Glee episode reviews!
@@user-zh1ds5ht3p whoever sees this, dont click on the read more button. It's to get you to accidentally click on the link and get your IP, or possibly steal your info. Be safe guys
@@luisenieto495 I reported it and it got removed
True
@@oliverg3184 it’s still there I think it has to be reviewed first
@@cotheturtle2748 Yes, still there. I reported it too. Just to add, more Glee reviews please.
Just a reminder that if you see a child/minor getting abused by a teacher, please DO report it so that the abuse can be stopped. Don't wait for the CHILD to come forward with their story because they are a CHILD (this includes teenagers). They might not understand why what is happening is harmful to them or they might be pressured into silence by their teacher. (and the teacher stays free to potentially abuse others) You also do not have to report it to the school. (If you are afraid people will gossip or the school will cover it up ect). Report it to the police directly. It is a crime to abuse a child. It's an affair for the police. In cases like this, the identity of the child is supposed to stay protected. There should be laws in place for that. It's not your place to tell someone else's story of their abuse but if someone is in need of help, get them help. I felt like that got a little muddled in the video so I felt the need to mention it in the comments.
Not only this, research the protocol in your area. There are a lot of laws about things like this, and following the steps can help to get the victim a lot of help. For example, where I live, any abuse that an adult hears about has to be reported to the police and a social worker gets called in to assist the victim and provide mental health assistance. If you see something, say something
Ok mom!
This ^^^ This is so incredibly important. Teenagers are children too, albeit older, but still children -- and most importantly -- still vulnerable to being manipulated by adults.
I remember watching this as a 14 year old and thinking "teachers in America are weirdly close to their students" didn't realise that t.v. isn't reality
Definitely. I assumed that Eddy wasn't saying that telling anyone that it was happening was bad, but I can't say exactly what the situation was because... I just haven't seen the show.
C'était super ! J'ai hâte de voir la suite !
Please make another one of these holy god this was EYE OPENING
congrats eddy you have successfully made me feel both attacked and deeply self-loathsome for watching this show in 20 minutes. excellent video
hello will stetson 😳
im honestly still notbused to seeing you outside of the osu community
He and I hated Glee apparently 😂
singer man is here
naw boi, don't hate. just feel temporarily disappointing for the past. It aint' the now.
Eddy’s point about disliking Puck even if he’s made endearing hits so close to home with me, I never liked Puck. I never thought he had an enduring arc. No spoilers but what he did to Quinn was never addressed as what it was and he never faced the consequences.
@Laura Brown påpääää
Not to mention the actual real life actors *ahem* indiscretions. I never watched super far into the show but I remember the arrest and the reports that were put out about him and 🤮🤮🤮 Disgusting, vile, monster person. If you don’t know, Google it bc I will not be explaining it here to save myself from getting angry.
@@turducken77 at least point out who lmao
@@1freezyfrost the guy that played Puck, about whom the initial comment was about
@@turducken77 mark salling
Eddy, please revisit this and do the rest of the episodes 🙏🏼
i'm currently watching glee with my mom, and we're partway through the 4th season? i kind of hate it but i kind of love it and im seriously invested in kurt and blaine's relationship 😭
I liked Jane Lynch's character and that's it. She is iconic in a mean sort of way and fits the role like a glove. But for a show that self-advertised its diversity, Glee kind of reinforced many stereotypes and misconceptions: mental health, race, biphobia, sexual abuse, etc. Kinda hypocritical.
Did Glee just get called out for not being woke enough?
Jane's character for the most part was meant to be the antagonist, so she could get away with just being mean and having fun with it, whereas some of the others were meant to be "good role models" or instilling some kind of positive message and it fell flat. Interestingly, when Jane's character did do good it really felt more like what they were actually trying to achieve in their message the rest of the time.
@@D-Fens_1632 Yes, yes it did.
I agree with the biphobia thing but as a bisexual I was just happy to see one in a TV show. There is really no representation for bisexuals especially when I was younger when this show was out. My standards were just so low
The crazy part is that the Jane Lynch character is, in a lot of ways, the hero of the show IF we’re using properly portrayed diversity as a metric. Yes, she did and says terrible things, but she also calls out Will constantly on horrible shit he does. Including the episode that Coach Beast comes out as trans. (Also the trans representation in the show is super cringe. They were clearly trying to woke without really understanding the struggles trans people go through, and at times actually contributed to the terrible stereotypes, as you mentioned)
i will never get over the fact that they had two students in wheelchairs sing im still standing
Excuse me what?!
They did what now?!
I- come again?!?
Dude, this show lowkey funny.
First time watching your Channel and your naturally funny and a great person. Also all great points
You told me to close my eyes at the start of the video. my eyes are still closed to this day
Just to correct one thing. If you are going to have a glee club/high school choir, you actually do need a budget. You have to pay for sheet music, sometimes you have to pay for someone to play the piano (although sometimes you can get a band teacher/student to do that for free). It's also nice to have choir robes or something like that so that every kid doesn't have to spend the money to come up with some kind of uniform and acceptable performance outfit. You also often have to pay for transportation to performance venues/conferences/etc. So yeah, you don't need a huge budget, but you do probably need more than $60. Carry on.
Well said
Yeah for sure, my choir teacher was the one who played the piano or he just played the track in the background, but even with that expense out of the way you still have things to pay for. Sheet music like you said is it’s own expense, not to mention microphones, speakers, and equipment. But each year, each student has to pay $100, of course there was ways to reduce it down to $25 I believe for certain students, but I spent $100 each year for choir. $75 for the dress, $5 for the folder, and $20 for the yearly shirt. Not to mention the week camp was $430. And you had to pay per student for our 2 big completions each year
@@kayleigharnold Interesting. This was many years ago, but in my high school, choir was an actual class (albeit an elective) that you got credit for, so the school district paid for almost everything, except our choir robes, which we had some fundraisers to pay for (selling candy bars and such), and if a student did extra things like trying out for the all-state conference, they had to pay for their own entrance fee and all that. I'm sure it varies a lot by the school district and whether the choir or glee club is an actual class or purely an extracurricular activity.
As a band and theatre kid, sheet music and music rights are expensive enough alone, even if you aren't also paying to print it. Anything related to performance has insane amounts of hidden but necessary costs.
@@bogosbinted5734 Yeah, I probably should have explained that part better, but when you buy sheet music, you aren't just paying for some paper with notes and lyrics printed on it; the price effectively includes a license to perform that work. Hence why sheet music is so expensive. And in order to license an entire choir, every single performer must have their own licensed and purchased copy, they can't share, and you can't buy one copy and make a bunch of copies of it on a copying machine or whatever. Even if it's a digital license where you print it yourself, you still have to buy a license for every person in the choir.
The funny thing is I remember the show Community made an episode parodying Glee called Regional Holiday Music. Their Glee Club director "Mr. Rad" was portrayed as a happy and charming guy who loved to perform but in actually was sinister and manipulated the main cast into joining his club. I thought they just did that as a joke, but after seeing KZhead videos like this one analyzing Mr. Shue's problematic behavior it looks like Community was on to something.
I agree.
I hate to be that person, but the word you're looking for is satarizing, not parodying. You parody something you like, you satirize something you dislike. For example, One Punch Man is a paradoy of Superhero media, whereas Watchmen is a satire of Superhero media.
@@castillogrande8926 Well, satire is more of a worldly critique of a cultural, social, economic, etc. phenomenon. Parody is usually making light of a specific piece of media, a specific book, film, TV show, etc. or tropes that are common across several pieces of similar media. The two can overlap sometimes (art imitates life and vice versa and all that) but that’s the difference as far as I understand it. I would say that the OP is using the word correctly because it’s mocking Glee specifically but it could extend to romanticization of problematic characters irl so maybe a bit of both.
That community programme is so overrated
Yeah
still waiting for a sequel to this, I'm still kinda in awe this show existed
YES PLEASE, MORE PLEEEAASE 😁 4.6M views is pretty solidddd.... Hope you do more! 💙
"Babe, we can't be bring a baby into this world right now, what about GLEE CLUB?!?" How do these two things generate so much tension in this man's twisted life?
This show was a huge part of my identity in high-school.I used to call myself a gleek,proudly. Having gay and bisexual characters really helped me feel more comfortable with my own bisexuality. The show did however normalise a lack of boundaries between teachers and students. Will treats the students like his friends/peers which made it seem like it was okay to form relationships with authority figures. As someone who was groomed by a teacher I can say that shows like Glee and Gossip Girl definitely did active harm. The early 2010s really let a lot of pedoshit slide.
another show that did the whole inappropriate teacher/student relationship thing is Pretty Little Liars it’s so bad 💀💀💀
@@catthare yeah and to make it even worse they had her marry her teacher who groomed her basically romanticizing it even more, i rewatched that show recently and finally realized how disgusting that was.
yea the 2010s were brutal. just look at how everyone accepted kylie jenners and tygas relationship that started when she was literally 14 years old. like wtf
@@sporadic001 ikr just gross 😰
Ironically Glee was a big part of the reason I thought I couldn’t be bisexual as a teen since being bi (at least in the early seasons) was honestly openly mocked as being attention seeking or deceitful and since at the time it was the like only exposer I had to that word I kinda internalized it’s ‘pick a side’ mentality :(
This video did go well! Where's the 2nd video, Eddy? HUH?