Why Military Ships are Gray and Icebreakers Red?
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There is much more to the color of military ships than meets the eye. Yes, it has to do with visibility, but it's #NotWhatYouThink #NWYT #longs
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Also, when was the last time you heard of a zebra being hit by a German torpedo? Exactly.
We should have totally used that line 😅
@@NotWhatYouThink For the 20th anniversary director's cut Blu-Ray be my guest 😄
Well, besides the Type XXI, there was also a secret Wunderwaffe project that would have created land-submarines with land-torpedoes. Once those would have been finished, we would have hit Zebras with torpedoes and sunk them.
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@Cekia Selmi ♋️ no
Just a friendly tip/warning: The procedure of submerging a ship to hide it, is in many cases considered single-use technology.
*S I N K*
That's just scuttlebutt.
Someone used it recently to extinguish a fire on a black sea flagg ship
actually, most ships that do this survive, I think most of them got renamed as “submarines” though. Not sure what that means
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Incebreakers bought the premium pass so they got sick red skin.
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Well duh
Ah yes War Thunder moment
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After leaving Pearl Harbor, the crew of the USS Seadragon discovered that the black paint was pealing away to reveal the red lead primer underneath in scale like patches. The submarine tender she was docked next to had been hit with a bomb and the heat of the fire had burned off Seadragon's paint. The crew rechristened her "The red dragon" and went on to have a successful patrol, earning enough of a reputation to be mentioned by the Tokyo Rose who complained of "Red pirate submarines". Records don't directly mention the red paint causing any problems with being spotted, but I think I remember reading that they ran deeper than normal just in case. The red dragon's legacy lived on in the cold war era nuclear sub USS Seadragon, whose crew patch at one time displayed a red scaled dragon grasping a torpedo.
aw they shouldve kept that patch that was so fitting and also had a historical value
Dragon?
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@cherry bomb imperial japanese pilot: heuhuehue geneva checklist red cross = target
These zig-zag patterns were mainly to fool optical ranging systems which relied on a human operator overlaying two images to range a target. These patterns also helped disguise a ship from identification; making it much harder to identify the length of the ship, the depth in the water, number of towers, etc. In modern times with laser range finding and advanced radar there is no longer a need for this pattern on ships.
Yeah,coincidence rangefinders would be rendered less effective because the ship's movement caused the point of coincidence to shift or "shimmer" like here: 5:00
Exactly. Optical range-finding would be rendered less effective. + identification of a vessel in an age of electro-mechanical TDCs(Target Data Computer) was often a Critical-failure. even a meter of mast-height difference at combat range would create like 100-meter misses, Easy. Due to Range mis-calcs. Dazzle worked and *Also Increased submarine attack-times*(ie. 'lining up the shot') - Even in good Sub-Simulator Video games: that Dazzle-Camo really DOES mess with my shot calcs half the time!
Didn't they ID based largely on superstructure, though? Easy to tell class and orientation from masts and smoke stacks....
@@eldonstrackeii7892 So yes, identifying what ship you’re looking at is mainly from observing super structure. However the “Dazzle” camouflage style was mainly to address targeting, not necessarily identification of a vessel or class of vessels, with a coincidence optical range finder. I’m sure the dazzle pattern could stump some observers especially at distance.
@@eldonstrackeii7892 Some ships used patterns that made them look like 20% shorter, which is enough to misidentify the ship. Sry can't find pic right off the bat. But imagine a color that blends more into the background and paint the bow with that color and then re-create the bow angle with the edge of that color and the color of the ship's mid section.
the red paint under the hull has some agent to it that prevents aquatic life from latching onto it, its red typically for tradition since its not the old tin-based paint it used to be.
IIRC, it’s usually copper based now. 🤔
Yep, anti fouling paint.
Anti-foul can be had in just about any color, and can be specifically blended for different climates, but that would be prohibitively expensive for a blue-water navy.
So Red makes it go fasta then. Good to know
I do not believe there were any tin-based antifouling paints used by the US Navy.
Me, trying to get a range estimate on a zebra through my periscope: Scheiße
You must use period correct German. Scheisse
Ok, if I ever go to war in a navy, I want my ship to be freaking pink to surprise, confuse and scare the crap out of the enemy. By the time they stop wondering why they see a pink ship, my antiship SSMs will be already on their way
That could be risky. There would be some captains that would want to have such and abomination as a pink warship sunk as fast and as quickly as possible and fire all their missiles and torpedoes at you, with the deck gun joining in, too, for good measure. ;)
antiship ship to ship missiles?
@@user-1281 war..... war is hell
@@Schnittertm1 New tatic, we send pink ships with heavy armaments, every enemy fires on the ship and runs out of ammo, plot twist Pink ship is empty and remote controlled and the actual navy pulls up and lets rounds fly
@@theirishempire4952 But those ships are also just cardboard cutouts. Then, from below the enemy fleet, come the pink submarines.
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If the best available color to reduce radar signatures we can come up with turns out to only be feasible/effective in neon green or bright shock pink we WILL start painting ships in that as radar is a much bigger threat than merely optical recognition. And with increasing "over the horizon" capabilities to fight anything that might detect you with other means like cameras, sonar and so on, Radar still is the widest forward way to discover an approaching fleet.
... pink ships they've done this give it a google
Naval paint does not reduce radar cross section.
@@TT-hd3zi do you understand what the word "if" means?
@@Ugly_German_Truths it wouldn’t happen. Radar Absorbent Material wears far too fast for a naval paint.
@@TT-hd3zi Which is ABSOLUTELY IRRELEVANT for giving an example in WHAT case we would use CRAZY colors to paint ships.
Did you know that Norwegian warships have QR code’s on the bows? It’s so when they return from patrol they can…Scandinavian
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Having almost sailed right by two Swedish military ships that were tied up alongside an island in the Stockholm archipelago (not a harbor or even a dock, just tied up to the rock), I can attest to the effectiveness of their camouflage. These ships were covered with additional camouflage nets but it was absolutely stunning how well it worked-we gasped when we noticed them straight off our starboard side probably less than 200 feet away. We could easily have missed them altogether.
and we have blue icebreakers))) look kzhead.info/sun/hKWIct5_iaiChYU/bejne.html
@@russiannorth2440 don’t you have orange ones too? kzhead.info/sun/aatycpWesKOMZ58/bejne.html
@Neversink Makes The visual camouflage is relevant in this situation because the island will also reflect radar so it is possible to blend in among them. It is quite meaningless out at sea where you can radar to spot ships. So for Sweden and other navies that are intended to operate close to the shore camouflage is still useful.
That's really close to military ships I'd be surprised if they didn't attempt to hail you to avert an closer proximity
@@zitkanaduza.89 no, we were passing between islands that are only about 600 feet apart, so it’s not like we were intentionally going close to them. They just happened to be tied up to one of the islands as we were passing in between.
The lone patrol got jumped by a whole bunch of dude with ghillies was the funniest thing I saw all day yet 1:18. LOL
So glad to see the RCN getting some love. Didn't know that we were early testers of that light based camo. Really cool
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U.S.S. New Jersey was painted dark blue all through WW2.
Canadians have a bit of a history of being cutting edge. Our CADPAT was revolutionary as well
@@FlightRecorder1 don't have to tell me, I wore it for 12 years and even got to look at the new cadpat recently.
@@Devon7839 The new stuff looks promising. I just hope it comes in a cut that isn't garbage. Or multiple cuts that I can choose from
Idk, I don't think any camo/paint will outdo that destroyer in ww2 that looked like an island to escape japanese waters
"Hey, Shouto, is that island... moving?" "How would an island be able to move?" "I guess you're right..."
Just saw a video about an island that looked like a ship
That’s no island!
@@joeljr570 the camp worked huh
And germans painting their Battleship Tirpitz as a city
15:46 I've never seen anything as Canadian as that painting on the back of the gun.
XD, im not canadia but im glad someone point it out for me !
As an American, I will shamefully admit we love Canadian maple syrup. Also, I was totally expecting you to do like on the submarine black/cruise ship white video and spend only five seconds on the red icebreakers.
I know, we spent so much time on the red icebreakers. Will keep it shorter next time 😅
They have a strategic maple syrup reserve... I think we should liberate them.
you should try poutine, way better than maple syrup.
@@NotWhatYouThink You didn't spend too much time on the ice breakers, but I do wonder why cruise ships are painted white.
@@bristoled93 Probably because white looks "clean"? Also, visibility and reflectivity of most wavelengths of light making climate control in hotter climes easier may be factors
Warships are painted grey for a number of reasons that the video covers well, but he did leave one out that was touched on slightly in regards to soviet ships having red decks (sending a political message). Warships are painted grey because everyone knows warships are grey. The governments of the world are telling you, by painting their warships grey, that this ship is something to avoid because we all know warships are battleship grey and are you not to go near them unless you want to be detained or threatened. A ship sailing well away from merchant traffic with a grey paint scheme and a gun on it's bow, everyone knows to stay the hell away from it. That's a warship, there is no mistaking it's a warship and the first indicator you got was it was painted grey. Bugs, amphibians and reptiles tell you they are dangerous with bright colors; warships warn you by being grey. It's a weird bit of circular logic.
Probably mostly the big guns more than the paint colour though.
@@brisbaneinsider7139 The carriers need some emotional support. Same for ships that use missiles as their main armament
Seeing a grey warship sailing in the distance is completely awesome though.
@@brisbaneinsider7139 Modern warships don't have guns/turrets that are particularly noticeable.
.... That's not what circular logic means
Bravo! Great story, and even greater humor. You're writers need a high five✋ for this script.
Hhh
Red paint give extra fire damage, gray paint give bonus Evasion stat.
Pink give 69% Enemy Morale DMG bonus too XD
And purple ships are the sneakiest? Ever seen a purple ship before? That's what I thought
What about the yellow submarine though?
She a bloomin research sub at this point-
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@@ewelinanajgebauer8862 which one though? RCN ( Royal Canadian Navy ) has a designated target submarine locally that is usually painted bright yellow.
@@greateraviationgl91 I've got a hole in me pocket.
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1:22 they just got done trolling someone and hit em with a fortnight dance lmao
So… They paints the ships in fifty shades of grey?
@cherry bomb In the movie, or are you talking about the book? :P
@cherry bomb There is alot of things I don't read or watch, but I know about it nevertheless. Also, I rather have humor than being ignorant like others... 😋
Yes, Our ships are panted red to symbolize maple leaves because we love maple syrup
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Black is actually a terrible color for camouflage for night, and this had actually been known for centuries. One of the most prominent examples of this was the ninja. While most of their camouflage focused on disguising as the most innocuous of people (religious monks and farmers were two of the most common used), the garb that is most commonly associated with the ninja was actually dark blue instead of black, and it was for the same reasons that the US Navy found during their own testing. Black would not become an effective color for camouflage until the second half of the 20th century, and it would be dependent on one very key criteria: the prevalence of artificial light, specifically electric light. Shadows cast by electric light are significantly darker than that of natural light, thus allowing for black to actually work as camouflage. This is why black is predominantly found in urban camouflage patterns, particularly night ones, as urban areas tend to be filled with electric light, especially at night. Out on the ocean, where there is hardly any electric light (even the lights on ships hardly mattered), black is a rather bad choice - the exact same reasons why the ninja garb was dark blue (shadows from flame sources were still more-or-less natural and therefore not as dark as with electric sources).
then what is the best color for camouflage at sea? Gray? For example, yesterday I swam through the ice on a blue icebreaker. Look. kzhead.info/sun/hKWIct5_iaiChYU/bejne.html
@@russiannorth2440 Submarine is the best camouflage color at sea. Barring that, distance that puts you over the horizon, then a compromise color like grey.
My favourite camouflage story is that of HNLMS Abraham Crijnssen, which was disguised as a tropical island to escape the Japanese occupation of Surabaya in 1941. It survived the war, and is now a museum ship located in Den Helder. It's well worth a visit... if you can find it...!!!
and where to find this ship-island? and yesterday I sailed on a ship through the ice. Look kzhead.info/sun/hKWIct5_iaiChYU/bejne.html
@@russiannorth2440 Fantastic video. It looks beautiful, but vey cold. I've subscribed. Dutch Navy Museum 52°57′50″N 04°46′15″E
Up until around 15 years ago, haze gray was the standard paint for superstructure coating over primed steel. One of the specs was MIL-PRF-2463B Type II Class 2 Enamel, color standard Fed std 595B #26270. This is an anti-static silicone alkyd marine paint whose reflective properties were promoted for lowering HVAC cooling requirements more that for reducing the ship's IR signature. The silicone increased the paint's surface hardness and uV resistance and thus overall life. Application was similar to standard alkyd enamel paint. This has been replaced by haze gray epoxy siloxane block copolymer coating/ paint for its effectiveness against salt corrosion. Off the radar of Not What You Think's camouflage motif topic, but still on naval coatings, is bilge tanks coatings. One coating system uses an 18 mil dry thickness epoxy primer with a fluorescent additive. This is topped with another coat of epoxy paint, and followed by inspection using a uV lamp to reveal pinholes. Any pinholes are covered by additional paint. This has extended the protective coating by years.
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Minor point: The US really has only one heavy polar ice breaker, USCGC Polar Star. Her sister, USCGC Polar Sea, is not in service. There is a second active USCG ice breaker, USCGC Healy, but it is classified as a medium ice breaker. Thanks for your in-depth analysis of naval paint schemes - I learned a lot from it. MM2
That said, Healy is a larger - and cooler - ship.
Omg I didn't realise the Greeks recorded the trojan horse!
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Today on "Not what you think": why are ice breakers red? exactly for the obvious reason (contrast to snow) why are battleships gray? exactly for the obvious reason (minimal contrast to most conditions) why is dazzle camo not used anymore? exactly for the obvious reason (radar) Still very entertaining.
Military: no visibilty please ;) Icebreakers: LOOK GUYS I'M HERE RESCUE ME!!
Dazzle was also used to prevent sighting from enemy warships. Gun sights needed to create a consistent image and dazzle could confuse the sighters of the guns
Hence why is used in woman fashion
One day, someone will paint their battleship red and become the first battleship ace
I take it you have never heard about Booster Terrik and his ship, The Errant Venture?
HMS Tamar recently got painted in ‘dazzle’ along with HMS Severn painted in ‘Wester Approaches’ in tribute to the WW1 and WW2 Royal navy campaigns. As well, HMS Dragon got the Welsh dragon repainted on its bow. However useless they may be they look absolutely amazing
yeah, I thought he'd at least give them a mention.
19- ahem… 69. Keeping it sophisticated. 🧐
Donno what you're talking about! Just had to clear my throat after all that talking 😜
@@NotWhatYouThink it's just not what we think
Even during surface gunnery (from big guns at the horizon to closer in visual sighting) and aerial bombing and gunnery, dazzle, false bow wakes and false silhouette works to throw them off. Of course in good conditions it doesn't make a difference, but but any marginal visibility conditions, it helps by making it harder to focus accurately. Just like camouflage on uniforms, you try to deceive the connection between the eye and judgement regarding your shape, facing, speed, distance, etc. See also false canopies on plane undersides. I saw a light plane that was painted like a firefighter or target drone or trainer in bright red, white and black, but seen from the right side, all the red was switched for a bright green, to help others judge your facing and course. Like navigation lights on ships and planes: From their right you should see green, and red only from their left. Bright white light only from the front. It makes sense for icebreakers to settle on a high visibility standard.
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My great grandfather served on the ship at 12:17. She is docked at a port in Hamilton Ontario.
I think they should combine water blue and haze gray for optimal protection Water blue - the top of ships Haze gray - everywhere else
Light blue or white - part that are expected to be submerged.
@Zidni Afif Amani Submerged part will stay red because it cheapper for antifouling paint and it's not visible, even submarines will spot above the water not beneath.
I've always been amazed by the dazzle camouflage. I painted one of my Glock slides like that and it looks crazy cool
Pretty simple answer really, visibility. You can hardly see a white or grey ship in the attic but if it’s a brighter color it easy to see from a distance
"The sea was angry that day my friends, like an old man trying to send back soup in a deli."
Can we all take a minute to appreciate this channel, it's so interesting tbh
Man, I've been around boats most of my life. I drive across the lake at night all the time and am used to having to rely on nothing but running lights to avoid other craft on the water. So that's why my jaw dropped at 2:05 when I realised i didn't see "reverse your runing light colors" coming. That's so simple yet so damn devious.
and also probably very dangerous
Loving these longer videos. Always interesting and make me want more faster
i dont need to watch a 20 minute video to understand something that can be explained with a single sentence
Really enjoying the long format videos! Though I really enjoy the shorts as well.
Ah yes the lengthy video, thanks NWYT
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@@NotWhatYouThink yea but where I live it's Saturday lol
@@cybersentient4758 Ha ha noob
Had an old school chief on my sub who used to say "all ships are submarines, it's just the real badass combat ships can come back up." 😅 then again, he used to call all the skimmers "targets".
With the Icebreakers,it makes sense why being painted white made it harder to see. Water alone has a good score on reflectivity index, ice has an even higher score. Added with the fact that shades of white tends to reflect radiation/light better, and you can see why it was hard to spot. Red generally tends to stand out in a white/bright backdrop, and happens to be the most visible color on the spectrum over long distances.
For anyone who is interested the boat at 9:36 is the Mersey Ferry in Liverpool (as in the song). It was painted in dazzle colours in 2015.
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This channel after a year is already over a million. And its quickly becoming a favorite.
A genuinely interesting and informative video. I’d use this for teaching material, if I were a teacher. Great work!
"Its not what you think." It's exactly what I thought.
3.00 "all warfare is based on deception" -sun tzu, the art of war
Poor Hans got his shit beaten by four bush wookies
By the way, the movie about the pink submarine is called 'Operation Petticoat' (I think, it's been a few years). It's a great movie.
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i was working in the shipyards in victoria BC canada when they painted the regina... when they unveiled it to the public there was alot of positive response
Soon ships would be able to "Cloak" . They would have technology which would allow them to take colors ( mid - battle) with respect to their surroundings.
what is this technology? watch me float through the ice at -24 kzhead.info/sun/hKWIct5_iaiChYU/bejne.html
So they should cover the entire ship with huge LED panel to change the color on demand LOL
There are many ship camofladge because there are 50 shades of gray
The whimsical music is perfect for this topic.
NWYT's content is more educational and interesting than my school semester
It’s more interesting and educational than you think. ..
So I guess it's not what you think?
Still waiting for the day I can say that it was why I thought
Before i start watchin a video: Battleships: its camo to hide from enemy (black n white stripers and all of that kind are not to hide the ship but the size of a ship (if u dont understand just look for video about ship camo or something idk its too long to write) Icebreakers: need to be seen cuz even icebreaker can be stuck in ice so it can be found easier to help
Remember my Dad's friend telling me when he was in the army that they were coming up for a paint job for one of the stealth fighters they were trying to try to put that paint on one of the ships to see if it'll actually match the horizon so they can't see it it'll change with the horizon whether it's day or night time
They should make a glass ship because it's invisible to the enemy ships
Talk about a glass cannon
The last thing an enemy wants to see is Jack wiping his arse in the f'w'd heads...
@@flym0 that's not realistic, there wouldn't be enough paper to wipe and enough room in the toilet to shit. Jack would be shitting in the shower and waffle stomping it down the drain.
@@daveforeel7976 we are discussing Jack and not Royal. Horrible, crayon munching things...
Great video! A lot of information I didn't know.
Most ships are painted red below the waterline. This used to be because of the "red lead" paint used to keep marine life off the hull. After lead was phased out (waaaay later than you think) they kept the red color as it was a good indicator of when the ship was running a shallow draft. They will occasionally paint a different color at the waterline to indicate operable limits for deep and shallow draft.
Schooling fish usually have vertical stripes on their sides which helps them to stay together. Zebra stripes are probably for a similar reason.
12:20 ah, yes. I know exactly what we need. RGB LED lit WARSHIPS. RGB improves the performance of everything.
Red paint do make things go faster
you see, theyre looking for the grey ships, not the bright orange ships
"after much soul searching, we've all been there." You got me off guard with that one😂
The L02 HMAS Canberra is a beautiful Australian ship, glad to see her in the video. I saw her in the port of Townsville a few years ago, many times before that aswell.
Quite a few aerial reconnaissance planes in WW2 - mostly Spitfires I think - were painted pink for the same reasons.
Dawn missions.
Interesting video with a lot of cool ships! I have a question from connected topic. While watching different videos about military I noticed frames from inside of different transports: from helicopters and planes to APC and MARVs. Or even landing ships, as it was shown in this video. Al of them has specific colored light inside, from red (you can see it in this video in part about pink ships) to strange green-blue. It's obvious that is not just for fun but for specific purpose. What purpose? I know that for example red light doesn't defect eye-adaptation to darkness and you can easily act under cover of the night after leaving red-lighted space. Fans of astronomy use it. Does it connect with usage such lights inside transport ships?
Those colors are night vision equipment or scotopic vision compatible. There are very specific wavelengths to operate with a few types of night vision equipment.
My late father served on the USS Lloyd apd 63 and that ship was painted in cool looking jungle colors, because they would be camouflaged against the neighboring islands in the Philippines. His ship would put Army personnel onto the beaches in the first waves.
I'm glad this channel blew up some cool stuff you make videos about
While we're on the subject of uniforms.. why do our sailors wear bell bottoms? Because that extra material acts in the same manner as flippers.. and they're really tight fitting to reduce drag and extra weight when water logged.. it's not because they're stuck in the 70s lol.
Tradition...originally so sailors could roll their trousers up while swabbing or holystoning decks.
Yes, but why are they white? For practical purposes that seems to me to be an incredibly stupid choice of color.
Usn stopped using bell bottoms years ago.
Very cool. It wasn’t what I thought
Love seeing a new video from yall in my notifications
Those dazzle designs are like how car manufacturers hide their new models
3:14 I play world of warships and I can confirm the answer is yes
Its poeticly ironic that France coined the term during a war they entered into wareing red trousers and blue jackets in the early years. They quickly learnt from that mistake.
More new info to store in my brain thanks
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Military vehicles mist be hidden according to air,land and sea conditions and icebreakers must also be easily visible in snow and ice.☺
Whoever designs these ships totally lacks any imagination at all. Why not just paint them clear?
CIA : You are too dangerous to be let alive **Bang!**
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I wish you explained why hulls are always red even on grey ships. I think people would find that fascinating
Regina rhyme with retina :D
*Side Note:-* Lord Mountbatten's Pink ships were so effective in controlling British Colonies that he became the _last_ Viceroy of India.
Another side note: Mountbatten was said to engage in some rather "unusual" sex*ual activities. So painting his ships pink would be him having an ironic joke.
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Love the humor along the info❤️
Dazzle confuses me the most
The answer is simple Navies do not want people to sue their ships They want people to see icebreakers
I love how he said the pink submarine as a reference to the yellow submarine song
you can also use shape changing tv screens that change shape when seeing radar waves and it would only cost as much as the warship but it cant be destroyed