Martin Keown THREATENS to LEAVE the Studio in HUGE BUST-UP With Simon Jordan Over VAR & Arteta! 🔥😬
Martin Keown locks horns with talkSPORT's Jim White and Simon Jordan over VAR in the Premier League after Mikel Arteta's recent comments.
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I love the fact Martin called Simon out on constantly interrupting people on the show. Somebody needed to tell him that
If Martin could answer a question and formulate coherent argument he wouldn't need to interrupt
??and then keown interrupted continuously…lol.
Interrupts Simon to continue making senseless waffle
I think you need to listen to how many times Martin is cutting Simon off actually!!
He cut Simon off all the time making no sense.
Jordan triggers Keown every week without fail 😂
He should just go for what gets Jordan going like being Levy’s spokesperson
It's brilliant innit
@SwanClan Simon been sleeping with your husband again or something?! 🤔🤣🙈
Got to love it
Doesn’t take much triggering
As long as a manager, coach, or player doesn't call the officials corrupt, they shouldn't face punnishment. Calling them out as incompetent shouldn't be punnishable.
What I don't understand is how is everyone expected to accept that mistakes do happen in terms of refereeing, when there's a whole team of people on the pitch, and then there's another team off the pitch whose only job is to watch all the footage. But some of the mistakes have still been shocking.
No 1's beating newcastle this year if they continue to be allowed to score from out of bounds areas twice now wonder how many times it will be when its summer only thing annoying me is everyone fixated on the arsenal goal against them people only moan if its a biggish club
Wasn’t a mistake
They are busy counting their bribery money
Imagine having such power that no one can criticise the refs wow
People can and do, the decision was correct and I don't know why you're crying.
@@Antonio-hb8rd I have no issue with the decision. Just with the fact you can’t criticise refs as Simon said
The PGMOL got mediocre referees
@@Antonio-hb8rd First of all, where did you get that he was "crying?" That's absurd. Second of all, yes people can and do criticize the refs, but more and more often the league is seeking to punish both coaches and clubs who do it, effectively taking away their ability to air their grievances. That's far too much power.
That seems what Simon wants.
You can take the man out of Sky but you can't take Sky out of the man, Jim White
The refs and VAR have been appalling this season, its not surprising that managers get annoyed
the problem is these managers are quiet when it suites them and cry like babies when something goes against them
VAR has been appalling from Day One.
@@oscardolloway1885not all maybe the big clubs the little clubs dont get much notice
Keown isn’t bright enough to debate; that is 90% of the issue here. Plus it wasn’t a foul and the ball didn’t go out.
What's the point of having ex players in the VAR room when some thought it was a foul and some thought it wasn't
those who thought the refs were correct are on tv. Paid off. Isn't it funny how you can predict what someone like simon will say? That means he is dishonest. Neville is also dishonest.
And some are thick as a castle wall.
Simple as that. Best comment !!
This same refereeing confraternity screwed arsenal of their 1st title in 20 yrs by forgetting to draw the line for offside against Ivan Toney last szn. What happened to red card to Kovacic against City
Dumb question, there are 5 of them and the majority ruling rules. 4-1 this was
The problem with Simon is that he will passionately argue both sides of the argument depending on whose side he is on.
He is always on side of epl and officiating. He is paid by them and defends every stupidity.
Martin is the most predictably biased pundit out there, on nearly all segments I can guess what his points will be and how he will argue them.
He deffo needs mo ticker glasses...
The problem with Martin is he will passionately argue one side or the argument and it will always be entirely biased towards Arsenal.
Duh,thats what makes him the 🐐
I think what Martin was truly saying is that the people running this reffing system are not capable of running it in an unbiased way. Simon is trying to over justify his claim of allowing mistakes to happen. Jim just follows simons opinion in every episode like a dog ready for his walk. Getting tired of these people in “powerful” positions saying what they want rather than what the actual truth is 🤌🏾
It's all staged. Without anything suggestive from a forensic investigation, as they have done, the foul on Gabriel alone would have had the goal disallowed. The show is staged for likes and interactions. All about ratings!
@@IronOrchid-HQ yes but I’m not talking about them I’m talking about the human beings that run these leagues and governments. They know info which is powerful so choosing to leave out factual details is a sin and has no place in any type of business.
Correct. Looks very bad- 3 brits at each others throat
Jim and Simon love the sound of their own voices and believe in monologues not dialogues
I'm a Chelsea fan and its a disgrace that the managers are not allowed to criticise the refs. Nothing has changed and the mistakes are still being made week in week out but managers are not allowed to complain. It's insane that this is allowed to continue happening week in week out. Howard Webb was corrupt and he's now in charge of the refs, that tells you all you need to know.
These referees and officials should have the book thrown at them for their incompetence.
They only make mistakes against the teams other than mancity. when they disallowed the perfect goal by Diaz the refs were in QATAR a few days before the game. PGMOL is a corrupt organisation period.
All of the players and coaches look for ways to exploit the rules and fool the refs, and then cry about decisions going against them, why??? That's just stupid.
Didn’t say that. But the clubs should be setting an example and that should have been done privately
there becomes a point where they absolutely shouldnt because they undermine the premise on which the competition is set and agreed upon. which includes the possibility for mistakes made, but accept them none theless as thats the refereeing what everyone has agreed on to play under and deal with.
The Liverpool incident was worse, var agreed it was a goal but never awarded the goal.. the incompetence of the officials is the problem not the technology itself🤦
The tech could be expanded like other sports, but yes these refs are absolute rubbish.
and the stingy league not wanting to pay to implement the semi automated offside system that was at the World Cup
I don’t think it’s incompetence, it’s corruption.
It’s not incompetence, it’s corruption.
The Liverpool decision was sooooo much worse, they literally admitted it was a miscommunication
Imagine if all managers and clubs "let it go". The incompetence will be even worse! This is just a prelude to make rigging acceptable and convert football to something like a WWE
Don't use wwe's name. Vince Mcmahon did everything possible in his business to better it and did it for 25+ years. The second the world turned out like this and he couldn't win anymore he flogged it 😂😂
Brilliant point my G!
"You in denial Martin because it's Arsenal* 😂😂😂
Simon Jordan isn't interested in making football rules and refereeing better. He just wants to argue about punishing people for their behaviour.
good...the way it should be
The punishment was the original question. Keown just changed it
people will always moan about referees no matter what happens, it's part of football and the huge media circus that covers it.
Like a true boss
If he hurts your feelings...go watch Kabaddi instead 🤷♂️😂🤣
Martin just ties himself up in knots constantly 😂
You make no sense
Get off your knees for your daddy Simon buddy 😂
Couldn't of put it better myself
@@frostymusic9330 Learn English then
@@kissg6734 Can’t stand Simon, Martin is just a bit of a wolly. Hence why you’re so fond of him.
Martin reminds me of my ex who’d always run out the door whenever I countered her dumb reasoning😅
I have never heard a fan base go on for so long about a single decision
This discussion once again devolves into Simon and Jim shouting over the other person, in this case Martin because they think if they shout loudest and gang up together that makes them right. I saw this happen with Danny Murphy aswell. There's no point having these discussions if you're not even going to allow one side to make their point.
🤡
That's what Simon does. He does not care about what the other person is saying, he does not care if they are right, all he does is try to make them look wrong.
Also known as "bullying"
Martin was talking nonsense as always, I would talk over him
@@exposedheat9778 Why have a debate at all then, just don't bother.
Simon’s the Piers Morgan of talk sport.
That’s an insult, right?
That was literally my first thought before I saw your comment
Simon and Jim have the worst opinions 😂 they just team up against anyone with an opposing view They're cowards really lmao
Simon Jordan, mostly, has integrity to his views as opposed to Morgan who steams off any opinion depending which way the wind is blowing. Jordan at least has the courage to go against the tide.
@MrBannystar completely agree.
along with Merse's rant recently this shows that former footballers should have no say in refereeing the game
Imagine a sport where you cannot criticise bad decisions that are objectively wrong.
This is the world we r living now bunch of hypocrisy ppl
Wasn't bad decision though
Subjectively wrong actually, baby boy
What's clearly evident is that these former players still harbor bias based on rivalries from when they played no matter how objective they try to portray themselves to be. This alone is the reason why it would never work. What's needed is that there needs to be a point system for refereeing performances. This can possibly unearth good officials from the other divisions as well rather than have the same so called incompetent PL referees year after year
This already exists bro, and PGMOL sends refs emails a week before they officiate their next game showing them their points tally for decisions. Check out tifo football they explained. What's needed is diversity in refs across the whole footballing profession, now hear me out on this one. The leagues across Europe use refs from their respective countries. If we could have refs from other nations who are the best come over it would help a lot kinda like we do with footballers. Imagine if the leagues only featured players from their own countries. Being a ref is a tough job and requires a skill set many humans don't have. Notice that we have fewer errors in cross contentinatal competitions than in domestic leagues. There's a reason for that.
@@croffordlemba8018u said it all
It's always been like that. Just remember all the ex-Liverpool player pundits in the 90s and 00s. The stuff that came out of their mouths was like going to a circus and watching clowns.
Players are only human and will have their biases, just as fans do, fans more so in fact.
Harbour
Martin: "Listen Simon, give me a chance to formulate my argument." Simon: "But your argument is incoherent." 😂😂😂😂😂😂
The question is who should the referees be accountable to? Because, when they make these calculated mistakes, they should not only apologize, but should be charged with a points deductible system that would eventually have them suspended and eventually banned. Teams lose crucial points from these errors that affect the results of the league, therefore a match replay would be the most appropriate solution. This premier league is the most corrupt to the bone,with referees ,var match officials and pundits all involved. There is a lot big bucks going around.
Good on you Martin. If tennis and cricket have line monitoring technology, the prem should too. It’s ludicrous to think we should just accept mediocrity and system failures in what’s meant to be the worlds ‘premiere’ league. Wake up Simon
Yeah var has been great for football😂😂😂😂😂
Remember before we had VAR that people thought it would get rid of all refereeing mistakes? Simon is right, there will never be a technological "silver bullet" but we can fix people's attitudes and disrespect.
get rid of var
It is cringe how Jim just piggybacks on everything Simon says since he clearly isn't intelligent enough to create his own arguments
Jim looks up to Simon and act's like a Bez in the background.
@@eoinf2773 I can visualise it now
@@BigTechGamingonce in the morning and twice at night..like every good sub should.
It's just guys/friends/colleagues that agree with one another and share the same beliefs.. Jim facilitates the conversation - it's not his problem that he agrees with Simon on most things. Jim also disagrees a lot with Simon. The bottom line is Martin is a daft emotional mess.
Jim’s the most irritating man in sports
Love Simon and Martin together
totally agree
Keown basically saying he doesn't like var if it goes against arsenal?
It's difficult to follow the threads of this discussion...these two ask their guests a question which they would like him/her to answer. But as soon as they start responding they interrupt and talk over them... with what they consider the answer should be. It's pointless viewing!
Martin is like a brick wall that thinks it's a computer.
Am tired of hearing an independent panel said the decision was correct as if the match would have been replayed if they said the goal shouldn’t have stood. What did they do when they said Liverpool’s goal against Spurs should have stood?
True
It seems everyone in football should be held to account except football referees and var officials. Bizarre
because the game is fixed
Since I started watchinh this show. Martin Keown has been the only person who challenges Simon without fear so intelligently.
How dare you put his name in the same sentence as intelligence 😂
you martins friend???? he hasnt got many
intelligently??????????????please..
This is 3 times in the same week that this subject has been brought up and Jim White always says he hasn’t got agenda against Arsenal
I really do believe now that he doesn't! It's just topical and the show is definitely scripted. In the real world, not one person I've talked to doesn't think it was a definite foul on Gabriel. I've had two Newcastle fans on X telling me that they would have been annoyed had it been the other way around, but both of them refused to answer yes or no as to whether it was a foul by Joelinton.
@@mickcampbell1797well either you're a Talksport troll or just clueless
@@dom6140. And the logic for your accusation is???
Jim blatantly wrote that supportive text out himself in his notes
Yeah I’ve always thought it’s the producers of the show sending texts to just agree with whatever agenda or topic they’re discussing
Brilliant from Jim, the puppet master.
I think he just sifts through the texts and reads what he likes to hear atm 😂
@@gettobytheseaI’ve had my text read out on talksport before, but I agree they will select the texts that suit the present narrative for sure
Keown is as thick as mince. What a man-child! And, as a side-note, can you imagine his career if VAR existed when HE played. He'd have never been on the pitch! The man is hilarious.🤣🤣
What's the point having Keown on when he weren't have anything said against arsenal, the guy is so biased it's unreal. Him and Iain Wright both as bad as eachother. They should get rid of them!
Martin has a lot of valid points here. Simon clearly dislikes Arteta's behavior and constantly kept interrupting and finding different ways to try and get Keown to admit that Arteta was wrong. He did not actually talk about the decisions that were made or about improving anything - technology or the process - as Keown was clearly trying to do. EDIT: I'm a Chelsea fan and don't have a particular affinity for Keown or Arteta. But let's call a spade, a spade. Simon is not really contributing materially to anything here; he's arguing for argument's sake. And Jim is literally trolling.
It seems you missed the point like keown did. Decisions are subjective and it will never be perfect because there are no ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ decisions. Its like disagreeing with how a critic has reviewed a movie. ‘You didnt like the godfather?? Well youre WRONG and need banning from being a critic!’ Let the referees referee and give them respect. At the end of the day (or season to be exact) the best team almost always wins the league, stop moaning FGS!
@@DanielS10291 appears that you're just going on about subjectivity like simon is, and completely missing the big picture... subjectivity can be reduced or confined by actually improving the process and/or technology.. there are things that can be eliminated from subjective interpretation by completely objective implementation.. that is how things improve and are made better.. for example, there was a time when there was no instant replay.. then those were added to broadcasts... then there was goal line technology.. now there is var.. each of these milestones eliminated aspects of subjectivity.. the question is what's next when it comes to continuous improvement.. that's a material discussion that simon refuses to engage in here because he can't see the forest through the trees...
Incorrect. Keown was literally just rambling. He's embarrassing us as a club tbh.
@@robdatta8767 didnt he say the clubs downvoted that?
No, Keown just kept going on unelated rants rather than answering the questions asked repeatedly, the guy is a total melt.
Why was the ref not sent to the screen by VAR instead of var booth making that decision.
I think because the ref categorically said that the on field decision was “goaI”, also because the VAR said to the ref that the two hands in the back were not enough to force Gabriel to move as he did.
The problem is that the rules around VAR end up making each decision extremely subjective, which leads to inconsistencies and confusion among players, managers, and fans. At this point I cannot understand what constitutes a push, a penalty, a direct red card, or practically anything else. That is not because of the referee's at VAR, but I suspect the arbitrary rules of VAR.
This weekend is the perfect example. Palace got a penalty and arsenal didn’t for the same challenge. If you slow every bit of contact down it looks like a foul.
Suddenly everyone wants perfection. But even sth automated like my windows pc gets blue screen.
The caller was definitely pretending to be a West Ham fan 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Jim’s reaction at 15:28 😂😂😂
Well done Martin
I love how Jim and Simon take such a microscopic view of the macro issue. You can pick holes in each wrong decision as to why it’s right - but as Martin said they’re conversations we wouldn’t be having without systematic failure.
Martin had to be the most biased and deluded pundit on air or tv. He wouldn’t have put those glasses on if it was any other club other than Arsenal. Love that Simon plays on his own intelligence to out whit this idiot every Friday
Nah, I agree with Simon. I don't want to hear any of this "macro issue" stuff when the teams voted down changes on the macro level. It all just smacks of people only getting selectively outraged when it affects them. "THE TEAMS SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY SAY IN IT" is one of the most preposterous things I've ever heard a grown adult say.
@@MinisterManDan mate you’re taking the same viewpoint as Simon - but I’m not sure how you benefit in any way. At least he gets to collect a bag for this opinion. If we all have a short term memory how are we going to be able to push for change when the time comes around? 😂
This is the kinda robust conversation’s I want 👌
Football fans thinks this will end at Arsenal... These sort of decisions will make someone cry one day
That’s what they don’t understand. It’s only a matter of time before it affects their team’s season
Exactly... eventually it'll affect everyone. It'll all balance itself out in the end. The law of averages eventually prevails. I think as fans we've made our voices heard and it's now time to move on from this specific incident.
@@eljee102 I dont think it balances out, not in Arsenal's case anyways. At the end of January last season, a SkySports article that analyzed many wrong decision gone against Arsenal, argue that Arsenal had potentially lost 11 point unfairly... someone could argue that it may even cost Arsenal the title. The only debatable decision that went Arsenal's way last season was the equalizing penalty against City, a game they lost 3-1 anyways. Any club suffering from 3 official PGMOL apologies costing them 11 points, and then have Newcastle's goal allowed, would have imploded much much earlier. Not an Arsenal fan... but I hate injustices of any kind, and when I saw that article last January, I started sympathizing with Arsenal!
@@migennepravishta9485 i'm not aware of that analysis, however, from the time you start accounting for the points Arsenal lost, and drawing conclusions you're arguing something else all entirely. The law of averages does still apply though, it just might take more time 😅.
@@migennepravishta9485 thank god there are fans of other clubs that can actually see what is in front of them!
Im with Martin, hes just struggling to articulate himself properly. Jim and Simon as usual ganging up on him. Im a united fan, it was clearly a foul, 2 hands on a players back pushing him to the ground will be a foul no question if it was anywhere else on the pitch!
Simon tends to get on top of whoever talks slower than him
It’s subjective. You don’t know how much force was used, only the players really know
@@travislea7780to the eye test it was a foul though
@@Fmfcg or thinks slower tbf 😂
@@travislea7780i know that last season arsenal were given a wrong offside call and this season liverpool were done the same way... They already are confirmed to be corrupt. It is subjective to you that is watching the game... not to them that control it. They do as they please and therefore must be punished.
Jim White holds Simon’s pockets every single show.
we should use those short NFL-style camera posts - one on each point where the penalty box line joins the goal line - that would immediately show if the ball is out or not. Another post on each side line at the halfway point and every line would be covered
I don’t understand why Simon and Jim insist on crucifying Arsenal for this. They said nothing disrespectful. They released a statement to support their manager after they felt they were cheated. Now Simon wants to act as if nobody is allowed to question or speak against the PGMOL who has hit record lows in awful decision making this season. On top of that, other clubs are benefiting from their terrible decisions.
you just answered your own stupid question - the club also needs to be penalized because they released a statement of support for a ridiculous lash out against referees claiming arsenal was cheated (implying the match is fixed and the league is somehow corrupted by the officials). high profile managers like arteta and klopp publicly bashing VAR "ONLY" when it goes against them week in and week out is the reason why the VAR can't be consistent because it encourages everyone in the industry to keep demanding something one week, and something different the week after. the reason why they shouldn't overstep their authority and bash the officials is not simply because officials deserve respect, it's because doing so rids the sport of integrity and trust. Once people lose trust in the rules and the system of the sport then you no longer have a properly functioning professional league.
They didn't make terrible decisions. They were correct
Arsenal got robbed big time that ball was out
Spot on brother… they clearly just hate Arsenal It’s also quite funny how they just gang up and talk over their guests, Martin knew exactly what they were trying to do. Spin the narrative. The worst thing about the goal is the part nobody talks about: clear handball. Players, the on field ref and VAR all acknowledge a clear handball but they cant do anything because he’s not the goalscorer? THATS where the rules need changing and need to be put into question. Gotta get with the times and actually challenge some decisions or else the would never be any change.. and the game clearly needs change from wherever it is now. Last thing that was hilarious is them begging to stop talking about this topic like they aren’t getting the most interactions from it. This is what people come to listen to on this show because I guarantee NOBODY wants to hear any tactics from Simon or Jim.
Uhh no, that's not what Simon thinks. He thinks Arteta's rant went too far as did the club by endorsing it.
If Gabriel pushed Joelinton with both hands , would that be a penalty ?
Probably would've been given as a foul if Joelinton actually pushed Gabriel 🤣
Yep
After 55 years, I am utterly sick with professional football now. VAR and the stupid rules and the baby players have destroyed "the beautiful game".
Blinkers..... Keown with his arsenal glasses on.......
Every week the media and commentators say the refs are poor in the prem but now Arteta and Arsenal have overstepped the line lol This is getting boring now.
Because they corrupt and they don't wanna hire people who have a knowledge of the technology
Arteta and arsenal deserve it as he hasn’t once said anything about the bad calls that goes his way if he’s going to have a massive rant do it for very bad call no just the ones that goes against you deserves everything they get he’s only pissed off because they blow it last year and no they won’t get close this season he should be calling out every single bad call but he doesn’t he also said about var that mistakes happen and they are human and that we should move on maybe he should take his own advice
@@willtallis5275exactly.. he can't say "it's humans and there will be errors" and this wasn't even a terrible error it was a 50/50 decision and it went against Arteta and he acted like a child who didn't get the sweets he wanted .. pathetic
@@chrishaswell4405not 50/50, bruno shouldve been sent off and it was a foul on gabriel, saka had a goal disallowed for something similar.
@@chrishaswell4405 that Twitter snippet is not the full statement. He actually said he was behind Klopp. Either way these types of calls will keep happening to all teams because pundits and opposition fans say that it's deserved etc
I’ve never heard Keown make a rational sentence in this program when it comes to his team Arsenal!
His comment about the foul on Gabriel was rational and spot on. I think most of you Arsenal hater cannot see beyond your hate of Arsenal. When it affects your club you will be the first to cry and seek support from other clubs.
2 hands in the back...you melt. You just hate Arsenal...don't feign intelligence
This is what club loyalties do to people, turn them into biased blithering idiots 😂
@@DanielS10291 2 hands on the back....what is bias about that Danny boy?
@@MovementMagazineLtd2 hands on the back does not automatically mean a foul, bud. I thought it was a dive and he was going doing anyways
This has been coming they’re always treating him like a Felicia 💀
Someone interrupted Martin’s morning yoga……. As an arsenal fan: should Arteta be charged for comments? Yeah probably. Was it a goal for Newcastle? Doesn’t matter. The games done. It could have been disallowed three times or it could have been given. Thems are the fine margins in football. Do when need technology to help someone come to a subjective opinion? No. VAR is deskilling the officials to the point at times it’s almost the infield officials and the VAR in direct opposition. VAR at this point should be limited to goal line technology and off the ball incidents. When it’s delivering at a one hundred percents effective capacity then expand its scope as opposed to throwing a technology shaped rock into the pond and having no idea what directions the waves are going to go. Even if VAR had a defining say: for example the game carries on and VAR spots a foul issues virtually a red or yellow card on behalf of on field official and at the next break in play it’s awarded on field. There are many example of how VAR could be used better instantly but it almost seems that the powers that be have taken the most awkward, difficult ridiculous path each and every time. Take time wasting and the 100 minute games. That can be ended almost completely almost immediately by simply allowing physios to come on (as in rugby) when a player goes down. When there’s no advantage to lying down on the grass and rolling down one’s sock for no reason and in fact becomes a serious disadvantage the players will stop. BUT instead of stopping time wasting we will just allow the time wasting to carry on and add more time on which the winning side tjme wastes anyway!!!!
Simon and Jim aren't honest men on this issue.
not honest about it being subjective?
@@Roma_901What's he lied about?
Wow. Martin is just babbling at this point.
Cameras in the corner flags .. Two on each.. horizontally and vertically?? Maybe 🤔
Surely they can just adapt the hawkeye system for goal line technology they have for the whole pitch? 🤔
The real problem is the inconsistency from game to game
F'ing Hell! Keown has made a right burk out of himself here 🤣🤣
How so?
In what way? He talks sense.
Whaaa? You'll find Jordan was making himself look like a simp and a fool by being PGMOL and FA's puppet
@@bobbypukes605by being such an Arsenal simp. He’s getting worked up about a 50/50 foul
@@bobbypukes605if you can’t see you never will
Currently sitting in a pompy beach club in dubai, having my daily fix of talksport, what a great show lads. All the best GRAY
That last caller was the kid in school that told the teacher when they saw someone in the hall without a hallpass
This is hilarious! And seeing Simon smiling away because he knows that Martin is getting himself tied up in knots the more he talks
think if martin walks out i dont think talksport would care...simon jordan is the reason people watch the show
Not funny, embarrassing and is making Jordan look like the school bully. Management need to have a word, uncomfortable listening.
@@kadiummusicmanagement need to have a word? Grow up Karen, do you really think Martin Keown is going to be crying in a corner upset after this or something? He literally makes himself look silly every single week. He isn't going to cry because Simon's made him look sillier though. 🤦
@@kadiummusicthats subjective. I'm enjoying it
@@kadiummusic it's not bullying. Jordan argues through logic and challenges things that don't make sense or become contradictory. If you're going to make a point then you should back it up with logic and reason. Martin couldn't, knew he wasn't making an awful lot of sense and got pulled up for it. It's called debate, that's all that's happened here
Wish I could replay todays episode. Simon Jim and Martin’s chemistry on a Friday is hilarious
You can listen to it again on the app.
Chemistry? Really!! Jim white is an INSTIGATOR Simon Jordan Condescending and missed his call to be a politician. Martin ….. has his a biased …but not too shabby.. No chemistry Always a feud That’s why talk sport puts them together ! Just
@@NoYouHandleIt. yeah, and you see that mix right there? It makes for great listening/watching. I enjoy hearing the different opinions whether I agree or not cause at the end of the day, you shouldn’t worry about what you can’t control 👍🏿👊🏿
@zcyf3211 much better with that buffon Martin Keown. 🤡 always back tracking and his bias is clear as day
@@NoYouHandleIt. You're clearly not very bright. Chemistry is about how people interact with each other, it doesn't have to be harmonious. The 3 old fuddies who presented Top Gear for many years often argued, and people enjoyed watching them *because they had good chemistry* and it's puzzling how you don't understand this.
It'll never make sense to me why the mainstream media ignores what causes a coach to make such comments but focus on the behavior and post match comments. Surely the best way to end all this is to have a better and higher standard of refereeing is it not?
Martin is right. As for the other two. They've never kicked a ball professionally, so their opinion means nothing to most
Wenger and Klopp either didn't play or were average. This makes a mockery of your argument.
@@Isleofskye no it doesn't. They still played professionally and have managed at the highest level. This makes a mockery of your comment.
@@veighserYT Now, we're "Aftertiming" aren't we? You have, suddenly, inserted the criteria that they " have managed at the highest level" which you failed to mention and IF you had done WOULD have made a mockery of my comment but the fact that you have "tried to make yourself right" by substantiating your point with an additional qualifcation, makes a mockery of your argument. Arsene Wenger was an average player having amassed just 67 professional appearances.
That 4 out of 5 ex players saying it was the right decision was too funny after Martin said ex players should be in the VAR room 🤣
Corrupt former players
They evidently don't understand the laws of the game then do they?
How many were former Arsenal players?
Then, because that smashed his ridiculous narrative, he immediately (and with embarrassing predictability) starts hinting at corruption and conspiracy. Imagine getting to adulthood and not understanding the meaning of 'subjective'. Cringeworthy Keown.
Former players should not be anywhere near a VAR decision. They don’t understand the rules, or what makes a good rule. Time after time I hear these pundits making comments about, didn’t mean it… couldn’t help it etc….
Would be nice if the ref gets a charge for incompetence instead of managers for pointing it out.
Very good point
Competence = education + experience! Which refs are not competent according to you?
They get demoted to championship/temporary suspension. Same as players get for getting a red card for making silly mistakes
"Managers who criticize referees" Is that a crime now?! We are setting ourselves up for authoritharianism
They don’t dare to reveal the names on the independent panel.
Keown: referees don’t know what they’re doing… put in an ex player there, they would’ve seen that’s a foul, Simon: yeah but Neville said it’s not a foul so if he was in there he would’ve said it’s not a foul, Keown: what about all the ex referees that say it was a foul 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Spot on! Simon tied him up in knots.
And what club did Gary Neville used to play for and who does he support only one of Arsenal’s biggest rival
Exactly 😂 keown is an absolute 🤡
@@razwanakhan25 your point only proves Simon's point that ex pros can't be relied on as they have even more bias than Refs
@@razwanakhan25Newcastle were one of Man U's biggest rivals when Neville played too
Keown still doing his talking with his feet. He's turning the show into Comedy gold.
My god Mark clatternberg was a very iffy Ref. It's amusing that these two think their opinion is above Martin's..
Why can't they have a cable above the goal line from one stand to another with like a few cameras facing downwards like harkeye in tennis.
Jesus wept 🤔😤🤭🤦♂️🤬 how deluded is Martin Keown ffs!?!?! Coming from MK a statement like “he had 2 hands on his back it’s a foul” he needs to look at 90 minutes of PL football and see how many times a player has 2 hands on another players back??? As an example look at Carragher talking about Mo Salah’s handball against Leeds last season??.
I’m a NUFC fan but charging Arteta or Arsenal is ridiculous… sure he was upset but let’s move on. I agree with an earlier post about concentrating our efforts on improving the referee’s and VAR not making a big deal about nothing. We keep stats on players so let’s keep stats on refs too!
Excellent Point Totally Agree And Also Stats On The VAR People Watching It Back At Base
Arsenal fan here, thank you. Other managers have criticised VAR and have not been charged - very strange.
@@bubbacallingWho? It was totally over the top the way he reacted. Managers have said they disagree with decisions but not scornfully derided the whole professional refereeing fraternity in the premier league
@bubbacalling arteta didn't criticise VAR. He went off on one on referees. If you're not 100% sure it is out, then you dont give it as out. The foul is subjective. It wasn't offside. The managers voted against autimation so only has himself to blame. Arteta cant speak about refs the way he did and not expect consequences.
Heckingbottom went IN on the refs.......gets brushed under the carpet@@bubbacalling
The dude who made the comment on other sports not having a go at refs/ officials name checked some sports that have done exactly that. Boxing has long criticised and stood down officials for poor score cards. F1 was in complete disarray a couple of seasons ago from the farce of officiating the final race. That official has since been removed from the sport. It’s not just football. The only difference is football is a more popular product so every aspect of it (results, transfers, decisions etc) receives comparatively more attention.
Baryen have an overhead Camera surley there is tech out there that the Ball & Camra are in Sync and you get no more mistakes.
The sad reality about this hold thing if it were any other part of the pitch it would have being a straight up foul.
It’s so sad
All we want is the consistency.... You can't say it is not a foul today and tomorrow is a foul in a different game. The bais towards some clubs is too much. Justice should be served in all angels.
NO U DON'T! If u wanted consistency u'd acknowledge that lemina got sent off in similar circumstances to Tomiyasu and there wouldn't be outcrys over rashford/jones/udogie reds bcoz its consistent. Yet for some reason none of these decisions r accepted by fans.
Did you not watch or listen to the video? The whole point is that you can't have consistency when certain decisions are subjective, and you'll never get consistency with contentious fouls. And when you talk about bias you enter conspiracy land where the system is out to get a team for no apparent reason.
Keown is spot on in relation to the technology not being good enough. He does however need to look up the word subjective and apply it to his own thought processes if that is possible.
Martin saying have an ex player in the var team lol. Imagine Martin making a var decision that would favour Man Utd lol. I’m sure he will give Manchester United a positive result hahaha. He just wants var to be corrupt in his favour.
I wonder if Keown would be this passionate if his beloved Arsenal didnt have an issue with VAR at the moment.
No he wouldnt...
He wouldn't be asked
@@jameshamblin8440exactly
Arsenal have no complaints when Car decisions Go there way or con the ref
@@lokischildren7862 ah yes like last year against Brentford, no complaints👍🏽
As an Arsenal fan, I can agree the ball was not out of play, the possible offside was difficult to call and I can understand the decision made for that, but how can that not be a foul on Gabriel? I've also noticed a lack of discussion about Havertz' tackle and the arm to Jorginho. Both red card incidents that again the ref's and VAR failed to deal with.
Maybe If he didn’t dive so much he’d get the decision. Do you piss and moan this much every time he pulls a fast one to get a free kick?
Maybe Gabriel should actually jump to head the ball? If he does he wins the ball and no one would be discussing this topic
You can prove the ball was out of play can you ? Do you have the technology ?
@@darrenanderson2031do you piss and moan when your players dive? Of course you don’t!
u've missed the point on the foul.... its the type of foul that maybe 60-70% of ref would give in real time... but not all. u've seen that from the punditry after that it's split on that decision. therefore if the ref saw it in real time and didn't deem it a foul... is it a clear and obvious error? to which the answers is no. so ultimately tho the decision feels harsh it is actually the right one following protocols. however that whole goal is a complex and difficult decision what I don't get is why arsenal fans are fixate on that decision which is a tough subject one and not on the Bruno g. one? that 1 is a clear red card and I still don't understand to this day how it wasn't
This is the problem with studio presenters, studio guests and match commentary. Comments are based on who I played for, who i supported as a kid and who I had altercations with in the past.
regarding whether the ball is in our out - doesn't the technology already exist e.g. hawkeye in tennis
It’s lack of consistency as Keown states VAR needs to be better. Apparently the pressure of Joelinton’s 2 hands on Gabriel wasn’t enough for a foul so how was one hand of Ramus Hojlund on Rodri enough to force Rodri to turn 360 degrees and then fall to the ground so a penalty was awarded. Subjective…..
as a footy fan .the foul by joalinton would be given anywhere else on the pitch i am sure of that
No it wouldn't Gabriel does this every time in fact he even did this today against colombia on Luis Diaz goal
Jeeeezzzz...It's only a game, it doesn't matter😥😥😥😥🥱🥱😴😴😴😴
How to use VAR: - Each manager gets one challenge of VAR per half - VAR only intervenes when it insanely obvious and off side checks. - Refs don’t get involved at all bar dangerous play - let the game flow
Simon Jordan loves the sound of his own voice. Martin is absolutely right in what he’s saying. We expect better from referees and VAR in their decision process which is nothing to do with the physical tools available. Simon’s narrative is to say ‘don’t criticise me, I’m just doing my job’. That’s an attitude problem. Two hands on the back = foul
Not a foul
It's subjective. There is never gonna be a correct call that will please everyone.
So the referees can go ahead and make wrong decisions but no one should complain?
Yea same with how the referees don’t complain when the players screw up.
Panel said it wasn't the wrong decision though. 😂
@@ddave30Panel of former man utd Players and liverpool what do u expect
Exactly! Thanks dude. There is nothing subjective about three clear insidents.
The question should be what happens when VAR makes a mistake that impacts the outcome of a game? do they fix the the results? call for a replay? remove the goal after the game?