Response to Jordan Peterson on climate change | Paul Rosolie and Lex Fridman
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Full podcast episode: kzhead.info/sun/mrSfos2hf3R4mKM/bejne.html Lex Fridman podcast channel: kzhead.info Guest bio: Paul Rosolie is a conservationist, explorer, author, filmmaker, real life Tarzan, and founder of Junglekeepers which today protects over 50,000 acres of threatened habitat.
Why jordan peterson? There's that ex green peace guy... he seems to have better counter arguements for climate change. Have him debate an expert in the field with an opposing oppinion not JP wtf.
When science intended to prove demise is put to work it will always find an answer and direction of thought. If it's the failure's of adults in charge all across this globe that have their hands on the levers and controls. And each and every of their institutions contribute to justifiable damages to humans animals or environment. THEY NEED TO ABANDON THAT SHIP AND CALL IT WHAT IT IS! It's everyones doing! All of it! Surely we have the intelligence to take a stand against the against ourselves and our future humans we leave behind of our fabric folks. Not go blindly along and think it's all about electric cars and free energy. NO THERE ARE MORE DAMAGING INGREDIENTS IN OUR COLLECTIVE PRODUCING AND IN THE PRODUCTION OF THEM THAN ANY OTHER MENACE TO HUMANITY. Just because no one has the balls to call it what it is. Everyone has to suffer under rules that don't work. Only to control populace. I mean look how the populace reacts if you wind it up. So I get it but its puny and not calling out our true tilt against ourselves by ourselves.
You know who would be an interesting guest? The person or people who raised you! They did an amazing job.:)
@@cookiestar2702 Mine put me down and took away my self esteem and self worth. i fit in well with the prison population tho' Real POS.
@@unpopularopinionedpariah6102 Are you talking about Patrick Moore? If yes: his nonsense has been refuted ad nauseum.
Straight speaking and realistic rather than political and ideological This guy is great
This guy is the change he wants. He is not dictating others what to do but leads by example.
Tigers have inherent rights to exist?
@@christiandoscher1016 You tell me? Any thoughts?
Because Jordan Peterson has arrived at his skepticism for apolitical and non-ideological reasons?
all lies...Mount Pinatubo's Last eruption: June 15, 1991 put more green house chemicals in the air than all of human's existence combined!!!!!
Oh look, an ACTUAL environmentalist who isn't just posturing to look good. Refreshing take
Better yet he lives near the firsts and it not talking about something he is not familiar with.
I don’t really care the motivation behind people pushing for a cleaner air/ earth…. Getting caught up in questioning motivations is part of what’s hampering progress. But this guys take on everything does seem the best and most practical approach.
@@CazHbokbok Based
Wow. I didn't know those existed.
Bjorn Lomborg is one of those guys too.
Lexxy don't get stressed! You are doing great great more than great!
This guy is the way we all need to see the world. There is place for everyone here in this realm including humans.
cringe.
totally wrong
@@readmore3634 So there's no place for humans?
for instance: Mount Pinatubo's Last eruption: June 15, 1991 put more green house chemicals in the air than all of human's existence combined....Just one eruption! There's plenty of "place" for humans. Vegetation thrives on C02 and sulfur....which they in turn emit oxygen. Earth takes care of itself ....it's been doing it for eons. The human factor is not going to tip the scale. The next ice age is coming and will kill us all....but that's a long, long ways off....enjoy your life while it lasts.
@@davebritton7648 10 billion of us as projected to be in 2050 and with climate change absolutely out of control as it will be by then is going to be pure heII on earth. Us leftists tried to warn you
Most people who dispute climate change experts is because they get lost in the graphs figures and statistics. It doesn't mean anything to them so it loses them. I found saying "lets not even talk about temperatures or CO2 and lets just talk plastic". You can see the millions of tons of plastic in the oceans and rivers, we have pictures and videos. It's very easy to see that we have a runaway problem with just plastic waste before discussing any other issues. The issue of plastics alone needs government level intervention. Obviously there are some health and safety aspects that plastic is used for but we need to stop companies wrapping bananas in plastic or making plastic 'disposable' products.
This guy is cool, We need a discussion between him and peterson
Jordan is just going to derail the conversation into some biblical nonsense, talk about how it’s all because of boys feeling neglected, and at the end make it all about liberals and woke somehow, so it won’t go anywhere.
would actually be great imo, I don't think he really holds his ecological beliefs too hard. I bet he would be willing to concede a lot of points if argued correctly.
lies
#seektruth #keeptalking #fast4health #4fasthealth
@@misterdeluxia5948 yeah and by that you mean he doesn't give a crap abt the environment or truth . Yeah that much is clear from this clip certainly
These are the conversations we need. I always say I am a 50 percent fan of Jordon Peterson.
His understanding of society and human aspects is good, he is complete shit in economics and environmental science
Same here
Nobody brings up that Jordan is literally given absurd amounts of money by the oil industry... Smh
Apparently you're 50 percent fan of his name too
I don’t know him personally so he is simply a resource. A tool I use to navigate. Unfortunately I think he steps out of his lane a little to often. I am hoping the world will stop all this polarizing people and realize we can choose what is useful and disregard what’s not. In general I would say Jordon Peterson is a force for good. But I have seen extreme intelligence say some pretty stupid things.
”We’ve lost 70% of the wildlife on this planet in the last 50 years, that’s a huge problem.” HAHAHA that passage won the ‘understatement of the week’ award 😂
Houston, we have a problem.
Exactly. The kids emailing him in a panic clearly understand our situation a thousand times better than Peterson. The fact that this dude could make a statement like that but also suggest that they are overreacting and should just go get laid makes him look like a real douchebag, lol
Really sounds like a claim too fantastical to fact check.
@@earlmcmanus194 If only we could type "we've lost 70% of the wildlife on this planet in the last 50 years" into some sort of searching machine that would show us whether this statement was pulled out of thin air.
@@earlmcmanus194 U a bot or wtf u mean by "fantastical"?
A great guest with tons of integrity. Thanks for having him on!
Wow what an inspiring approach to talking about those you disagree with. It’s easy to believe that Paul strongly disagrees with JP. But Paul’s approach is to lean INTO JP with compliments and focusing on what they agree on. Paul expresses admiration.
Can anyone tell me what podcast he was talking about at 5:41
It's likely to be Peterson's conversation with Temple Grandin on his own podcast.
An awesome take and a great interview
once a ml scientist always a ml scientist, lex bringing it right back to the subject of AI at the end
These types of responses will always be more likely to change my mind
Pauls Jacket is Sickkk, Looks like a 'Eddie Bauer First Ascent' but cant find it for Sale anywhere!!
Peterson is no doubt a brilliant psychologist, but I think the issue with him is the issue that happens to many smart people who specialize in one field. They think because they understand so much about one field, they must be intelligent enough to understand every issue, even ones they haven't researched deeply enough. I think Peterson is well-intentioned but misguided when it comes to climate change.
As a conservative, we don't have an issue with doing things in a environmental responsible manner but we need to allow free market capitalism (the closed thing we have to it) do what it's best at. That's creating the most matured technologies that will be the most energy efficient. We can't stunt our abilities and let our foes take away our place within the world. But I'm saddened because I believe we've already lost that place. We're witnessing at this present time the dedollarization of the world and the fake news is keeping leftists hyperfocused on President Trump. We're skipping into am authoritarian totalitarian state fast.
I couldn’t agree with you more. I respect his expertise in his field. But when he tries to act like an expert at things he’s clearly not an expert at, he comes across as a narcissist and that harms his own credibility.
I think his main problem is that he can't think beyond humanity. Just as it is mentioned here in the video more or less, he simply does not see nature and all this diversity. And the sad thing is that he actually knows the psychological cause for it very well himself, but just doesn't recognize it in himself. The thing about the axiomatic system and the collapse is the problem, or the horror of scourging and crucifixion and trying to avoid it. It is very simple in theory, one can identify with humanity, just as some people identify with their football club, their family, their work, or even with life itself. And the latter encompasses the whole of creation, nature in all its diversity. You just have to imagine that the saying, "I am the way and the truth and the life." refers to all existing life and is not limited to mankind. Anyway, I think he's built his foundation with an axiom that doesn't correspond to the truth, and much of what's built on it is bound to collapse if he shakes it. So he just can't see it any other way. And in the video it was also mentioned that humanity is special. How about the conclusion that humanity is an image of nature? Then there would be the problem with God, how does someone want to recognize God and explain religion, who cannot properly recognize nature in all its diversity and greatness? Or subordinate oneself to nature?
I agree, but l also agree that he keeps on learning from experts in diverse fields.
@@aga5109 that’s true. But he has already set a bias. He’s only learning from experts who fit into to his bias and just arguing with everyone else. That’s a problem.
they almost discussed climate change science.
Not a science though is it?
@@popcult5662 Ok, flerf.
@@popcult5662 yeah not a science if it hurts your wallet
@@popcult5662 How is it not when it involves physics, chemistry and biology tho?
@@popcult5662 it is.
Imagine the desire other channels would have to name this video with words like "DESTROYS JP" or "EVISCERATES JP". That's why your channel is great, Lex - the better angels of our nature.
Yo what jacket is that, anyone know?
Fascinating conversation. Agreed Lex... Paul should defo explore things more with Jordan and Joe. Something to look forward to.
WHY??? Those ego maniacs should listen to Rosolie for most of the time, not the other way around....
@@macrio5 I think they would listen to him.
JP is a grifter. He doesn't care about anything but money.
@@justanotherjake1492 Yours is an opinion based on nothing but conjecture. Claims like yours require evidence. Otherwise it's just imature name calling.
@@foxdenham how about the fact that he says whatever his conservative audience wants to hear, even when it is something as objectively false as 'climate change isn't an issue'. Either he is a fool not worth listening to, or a grifter saying anything to make money from his platform.
I’m fan of this guy
he's totally wrong
@readmore3634 good argument
@@Dementia.Pugilistica Mount Pinatubo's Last eruption: June 15, 1991 put more green house chemicals in the air than all of human's existence combined!!!!!...and that's just one eruption....
@@Dementia.Pugilistica he is wrong though, climate change IS an existential threat, I know it's not nice but it is what it is no matter how much we would like it to not be true. Guys like Paul rosolies role is similar to the staff on the titanic who were told to tell the guests there's nothing to worry about. He will make a small fortune I'm sure in the last few years we have left.
Wow, nuanced conversation. Pretty hard to come by these days.
Especially when Jordan Peterson is involved
@@TheWefikus lies
Lmao there was nothing nuanced about this, all he said was “I don’t care”
@@JSmooove98 well listen again 😅
only if you are only exposed to conversation by youtube videos. its literally super easy to have nuanced conversation in real life
This guy is disarmingly chill about being in the midst of an ecological collapse
Literally the “This is fine meme”
Yeah yeah, the end is near. Sure l. Now, how about you get your house in order?
"There's a huge amount of continuity between between the animal kingdom and humanity: look at the serotonin-based nervous system of the lobster." - Lobster Boy circa 2012, or thereabouts.
Spend enough time on KZhead and you could be forgiven for thinking JP is the only well spoken intelligent person out there. But that's a distortion of the internet. In the larger world where people are doing research, writing reports and making legislation, no one is taking into account what JP has to say. In fact most people working in that space don't even know (or care) who he is.
Glad you brought this up because it's very true! The paradox of being "hyperconnected".
How ironic is that he became famous for rightly opposing legislation😂Don't you see the contradiction.The whole world got to know him from Bill C-16.
Ah yes, most people don't care about what he says and we are surely doing great right?
I agree that most people writing legislation are not consulting enough with experts.
What led you to that conclusion?
We should be using all the resources we have to terraform earth . Like how diggit is being used in Kenya . If we can capture the higher rainfall by digging shallow dam's and lakes we can grow duckweed and bring about an azzolla Period. If we manage to release the oxygen from the fuel we burn by growing more plants ,we can increase the oxygen pressure and as a result live longer.
Some species of fish can add and subtract by one in a group of up to five! Bees can count! Bees play! .. Great clip Lex and guest
Plants respond to classical music so stop cutting down the pot plants! Wait I'm sure ul disagree.
Plus bees get slaughtered pollinating almonds avocados ECT. Point being it not so simplistic. Main source of electric is coal yet climate fanatics think the not burning fossil but they are by proxy n mining of battery minerals far more caustic to earth yet the sheep just follow the pack. Censor the opposition follow the pack
Yeah stop eating honey as well.
Oh dude you must just love botflies to spend that much time in the Amazon eh? That being said huge kudos to this man.
I really appreciate this exchange. The professor sounds a lot like Michael Shellenberger. Most of us are conservationist in nature regardless of political affiliation.
Most conservatives do not care about conserving the environment. If they did they wouldn’t be pushing for a border wall that would screw up the ecology of the southern border
The two of you need to talk ❤
"Go help somebody that needs food" That, is the true test whether an individual wants to really do something, or just pose on instagram.
I agree with Peterson's views on climate science. I also had my therapist conduct my open heart surgery.
Remember the Covid experts??? Always good to get a second opinion
@@abrooksI’d like a second opinion. However from a qualified professional.
How did it go...u seem to be doing well.
‼️if we taught compassion and appreciation of life/earth, we would not be as selfish and haphazard with the way we live among others on earth! Meaning that we would be more aware of how our daily actions affect others including nature!! It is simple to understand that chemicals and trash hurt the earth. Cutting down trees damages the earth. The healthy balance can’t survive!!
"Go vegan!" isn't a slogan targeting indigenous people and it's not about what you eat when you're in the jungle. The vast majority of the global population isn't surviving on local spider monkey meat. However, beef is in fact the biggest cause of deforestation and habitat loss in the Amazon which also affects indigenous people losing their homes and food sources. And don't forget that 90% of soy that's grown in Brazil and other countries is fed to livestock. And when you consider the trophic effect of agriculture, you realize that there's a massive difference between primary consumers and secondary consumers so skipping the middle man (animal protein) and consuming plants instead vastly reduces your impact.
"We've lost 70 % of wildlife on this planet within last 50 years" ....
Yeah, if you think about it carefully, that is not just "a problem", it's pretty much Armageddon. But: let's no panic, people!!!
yes and that's all in poor countrys. Go look at if we make these country rich the people well care more about the envoriment and have time energy to do somthing about it just as. Jp says
With all due respect, this guy is not a climate scientist - Lex should definitely talk to one. I find there is a lot of quite vague talk here. Yes, it's sad that kids feel the desperate need to go 100% vegan/. But what is the conclusion? Is it their fault? Or maybe, just maybe, a reasonable conclusion would be that we should put hard pressure on policymakers and corporations to drastically reduce their carbon emissions, which we know is the cause of the atmospheric imbalances and hence the accelerating warming? Because the latter is NOT what Jordan Peterson is doing. He has an enormous audience, and on climate change, he's using it to spread confusion and idleness. I don't particularly blame him as he is not a climate scientist, but then he should admit his ignorance. It's ironic that he's talking about the importance of "making your bed" and taking responsibility in terms of lifestyles, while not applying the same logic to the environment - including the climate.
You have only accomplished to formulate an argument from authority fallacy, and tried to conclude with an ad hominem that tries to establish a double standard where is none.
It seems to me Jordan isn't so concerned with the mind but psychology and therefore is more interested in the stories he tells himself. So, it seems true we might need better stories and ones that include all inhabitants of this world but if we're looking to understand cognition and the mind itself then neuroscience underlies all this story telling and is where to look.
This has been the most refreshing take on climate change. This coming from someone who is skeptical when climate change is brought in the political realm, but also felt at unease with the way JBP discusses it.
This guy has a great outlook.
I just listened to Peterson and Bjorg. I think they are incorrect as to what he believes.
I have same feeling, that Lex and Rosolie here missinterpret what Peterson has actually been says about the climate politics and activism. And, I don't see anything that Rosolie said in this video that is in conflict with what Peterson has been saying all along.
I think Jordan Peterson needs to stick more to his domain. I don't think he has a good understanding of it. What I would like to see more of him is to explain some of the physiology behind why people have different views, and our biases. I would like him to try to explain why people do the things they do. Not talk about subjects outside of his expertise. Cause then hes just another 'popular person' on the internet influencing things he has no clue about.
I wonder how much lithium is NOT in your phone? I’m also wondering why you only want info from “experts”? Ahhhhhh, I get it, sheep need a shepherd. 👍🏿
@@askedofgod9067 Since it is impossible for one individual to be an expert on everything, we depend on experts to understand the world and the state it's in. At least our 'shepherds' know what they are doing, you are just following a madman down the montain crevace.
@@IHSchwingo why do you think our shepherd's know what they're doing? Why do you think they're any different from the sheep. Sometimes the shepherds get paid by the wolves to guide the sheep where the wolves want them to go. You make it sound like scientists don't get paid by giant corporations or have their funding delegated by a governmental board. I'm not saying don't believe anyone but you should always take things with a grain of salt.... or at least check on who pays them. They're not special.... They have bills, families, gambling debts, Women on the side. They're not some holy group of people that can't do wrong.
Jordan is not educated in a field that has to do with environmental science. But by his own words and speech he has read a lot of the literature proposed by the UN environmental department regarding how to combat it. As far as I understand, his takeaway is not that climate change is not a critical issue. But there are other issues directly related to it that must be addressed at the same time. To my mind the obvious one is that there are societies burning wood as an energy source right now in the undeveloped part of the world. They need to develop and a huge leap would be to start burning coal instead of wood (which is much better for the environment, even if coal is bad. Wood is much worse). People seem to forget that the developed world spent over 100 years running on coals before we switched to alternative energy sources (but even then we are still burning coal in many cases). If environmentalist were trying to tackle the climate crisis in a realistic manner, for example on how we should subsidize building nuclear plants in Asia to help them be less reliant on coal usage. I'd think that to be a huge step to help reduce CO2 emissions. But I somewhat get the feeling a huge part of the discussion centers around much much much less important things, like how you are supposed to categorize your trash into plastic, paper, etc.. Not that it isn't good to do it. An analogy on my part is that if the climate change is like a ship that has a leakage, and it is just a matter of time before too much water has burst in and it will sink. We have to fix the leak, not walk around with a teaspoon and try to throw water out of the ship with it. (which is how I feel a lot of the public is approaching the issue. For example, eating vegan instead of meat, sorting your household trash). These are just so minor things, though while they help somewhat there are so much more important steps to focus one. Number one being to help these undeveloped countries to get access to more eco friendly energy sources. So I totally agree with Jordan Peterson about getting the rest of the world out of poverty so they can stop burning wood and coal. And actually become our allies in facing this crisis. The fact is, in places where people face, war, fear of starvation and 0 education. There is just no way to get them to get on the same page as people in western countries about the urgency of tacking the climate problem. Step 1) should be to focus on eliminating those problems for them and get them on the same page as us about worrying about the CO2 emissions.
Bruh. My ancestors found an island in the middle of the ocean. No compass, no gps, no experts. Y’all can keep believing your experts. I wish you the best in life. 🤙🏿
7:40...Lex have you had Sapolsky on your show? You'd love the guy. He's walked the walk in the field and has a lot of nuance on human/animal behavior.
Never seen Serj Tankian so chill
“We’ve lost 70% of the wildlife on the planet in the last 50 years!” That sounds insane! Where can I read/learn more about this?
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiversity_loss
But lets be super chill about it and not get our panties in a bunch and make our beds...
Wikipedia? You can’t be serious? That’s the biggest gaslighting, misinformation website on the internet!
More gaslighting from Wikipedia! Who knew? 😳
Really amazing podcast. Thank you Lex!
@Siddharth Sriram I think your comment is nuanced, but it seems to imply that both sides are equally misguided. The overwhelming majority of climate scientists agree that the planet is warming and that human activities are the primary cause. As for the best way to go about climate conservation, there are many resources available, such as the IPCC reports, that provide guidance on the most effective strategies.
@Siddharth Sriram Exactly, if we could find a climate scientist who could also debate. It's a big ask. In the mean time we'll have to make do with the disciples
@Siddharth Sriram I think not having the world end is a pretty low bar to shoot for... The things you listed are cause for alarm in my opinion.
@Siddharth Sriram That's a little bleak, my friend. The future is not set in stone. If we were speaking 500 years ago, you'd be saying "we will always have to bend a knee to the monarchy" or "we will never live in a world where most parents don't lose a child". The only constant is change. Every injustice seems insurmountable, until one day it's no longer an issue. That kind of pessimism is neither productive nor truthful.
@Siddharth Sriram I think more people are educated now than ever before. 62% of the global population has access to the internet and that number is constantly rising, providing almost all of human knowledge in the palm of your hand. This level of shared knowledge and connection is unlike any other time in history. I disagree, it seems quite universal that people question elites & politicians, perhaps even too much at times. I agree that there are many flaws to capitalism, the unrelenting profit motive being the biggest one. Our rate of technological advancement, particularly in automation (AI) might just provide the cheap/free labor necessary for an even more egalitarian system to arise. If capital owners no longer need cheap labor, the incentive to keep the workers poor should gradually dissolve. It's a fascinating time to be alive.
the thing is that, we are not going in the right direction and we are not slowing down
What is the right direction?
@@pixelninja3590 reducing co2 emissions
@@wachox stop using electricity lead by example, your not going to convince anyone if you don't do it first.
@@pixelninja3590 I do, I don't have a car, I ride bycicle , or bus, , but we as a society need urgently government level measures , and I repeat Urgently , why people don't realize that ? Time is running out , it's based on facts ...
Wow loved this!
100% … when I started the full length podcast, I thought of Jordan Peterson (of whom I am a fan). And the thought was: “has Jordan ever taken off the slacks and the coat, put on some durable wildlife clothing and spent time out in nature, getting dirty, speaking not a word, and simply being? Because I really can’t see that he’d be the same man he is if he did indeed experience the uncivilized wild.”
Like a new aged Teddy Roosevelt?
Doesn't sound like you've read or listened to his books.
From what I've read and heard, it sounds like he also has a rugged outdoors side and has been around nature. Good comment, I would like to hear more about that side of him 🙂
You're a fan? Did you see the takedown from Some More News?
He has not. Hes the worst aspects of an intellectual self-obsessed nerd. He needs to touch grass.
Jordan often refers to animals and their behaviours and relates their experiences with our own.
Which is discouraged by real psychologists.
Woww what a man
@@jaykanta4326 Can you name one book or theory that doesn’t incorporate evolution in our psychological understandings? I don’t think one can understand psychology, that goes over bodily functions, without some idea of the history of our biology which then becomes an unavoidable discussion in how we compare to animals (even with our dramatic differences in cognitive abilities). If you’re strictly speaking in the clinical setting then that would make this a different discussion but we don’t see Peterson doing that because we do not have video of his clinical practice.
@@tannerhagen774 anthropomorphizing animals is NOT science and never will be. It’s way up there in the philosophy of science Peterson ignores in favor of his own ideologies. He’s a con artist at this point.
@@jaykanta4326 No reason to be undermine someone’s legitimacy as a psychologist simply because (presumably) you differ for JBPs politics. Those “real” psychologist were probably thought on at least one piece of knowledge JBP contributed to directly. His contribution as a researcher pre-rise to fame is mind boggling. The same can not be said for most “real” psychologists.
I feel like nothing was said. I ended the video and didn't really get that Paul or Lex had any real urgency or understanding about the 'loss of 70% of the wildlife on this planet in the last 50 years' statement on the public. I don't necessarily feel that helping my neighbour with his shopping is something that needs doing when there is a threat that society will collapsed within a few decades due to climate change. Also, Peterson is now actively sharing misinformation, tons of videos of scientist replying to his falsehoods on KZhead. What if these scientist are not scaremongering? Do we just pop a beer over the last acre of the Amazon burning and say 'I guess Peterson was wrong and those scientist right?
Really appreciate this guy on both his environmental outlook and having rational reaction to Peterson. Going to watch more of his work
he's full of crap
Except peterson has no right to act like he knows smth about it. I am mathematician specialised in stochastics and i would never dare to act like like specialist in different area as peterson always does. All peterson does is being motivation speaker and right wing grifter
@@zoro8117 if it were just an academic debate you would be right; but unfortunately it's much more than that: it:s a destructive agenda pushed on us in the name of a a scientific consensus on an emergency which just aren't there. Neither the consensus, nor the emergency. And he's more of an expert then Prince Harry, Greta, Al Gore or John Kerry anyway. After Covid people should be much more skeptical on agendas pushed by experts. The science was much simpler in this case, nonetheless just as much abused, by quite the same mechanisms. The Covid response debacle is a great case study for the climate change topic.
@@zoro8117 Jordan never said he KNOWS a lot about environmentalist, he merely QUESTION the move that they're making. and like the man in this video said, some of the thing that the so called environmentalist do is indeed tend to be anti human and might become destructive.
@@A.Darmoyo what were doing to the planet now is as anti human as it gets. The planet doesn't need us, we need the planet. Make the planet inhospitable to life and guess what happens to humans
Jordan's statement is a requirement of establishing parameter of a conversation to have the conversation. Environment activists don't want those parameters or the conversation in general. perhaps Paul could set the parameters with Jordan so extremist on both sides can be pointed out as inappropriate. One of Jordan's points is to raise everyone on earth to above 5,000 dollars a year income because that is the threshold where people care about environmental issues.
When people make more money they also buy more stuff, produce more waste, and emit more carbon
not from a Xanax popping psychiatrist. does a diesel mechanic want to debate a framer? also 5k a year isn't changing anyones outlook on the planet. Jordan was spending that on pills monthly. he literally knows a little bit about nothing.
peterson praises kneeling at the feet of jesus.....he has nothing to add on this subject
One of the most sober thing I've heard in a long time.
I was taught to be responsible and not to leave a mess behind me. I can't be responsible for the rest of you, that is your responsibility.
This guys seems like he would make an amazing mentor. His students are lucky.
This guy is balanced
Lex Fridman admits J Peterson is missing "some of the picture." Maybe people should stick to discussing the part of the picture they're not missing if we are going to relish their commentary as expertise.
Paul, you seem like a guy pointed in the right direction. I’d like to see you explain the -70% wildlife in the last 50 years statement. 70% of species? 70% of each species? 70% of the ocean’s plankton? I have no base of reference on this one, just a sense of how extreme that statement really is. I would enjoy a talk between Peterson and yourself as you seem to have a more reasonable view of things. BTW, a lot of Jordan’s eco-thinking is sourced from the likes of Bjorn Lomborg, who I think has an extremely reasonable and hard to argue approach to making this planet a much better place for all.
As an environmentalist for over 50 years, I've never considered myself "anti human". I think seeking to promote sustainable, responsible stewardship of the most precious planet, and all it's inhabitants, is fundamentally pro human. Somewhere between the alarmists and the deniers lies the truth. The problem with people like Jordan Peterson is that their sophistry bolsters the deniers.
I agree; he can't be an expert on such a broad range of topics, no one can be, but that also means we need some humility when approaching such topics.
You may not be but many so-called environmentalists are anti human some are even self hating. Jordan from his psychology work has seen this in people who expound their love for the precious mother earth, which from their perspective would be a better place if we were not on it. I don't think it's fair to suggest Jordan is intentionally deceptive, I'd say he's earnest though maybe not entirely qualified. I think he spreads himself a bit thin, especially recently. That's said he's a well read powerful intellectual who is influenced by experts he agrees with. I think the influence and bias of Jordans clinical psychology background needs to be considered when interpreting his world view and opinions.
I saw a video from a climate scientist who talks about Peterson sharing a misleading chart on climate change on Twitter. I think Peterson is perfectly in his right to problematize the ideological and political narratives that surround climate science. But I'm not sure if I would describe Peterson's engagement in the climate change debate in those words. He is prone to spread falsehoods about things he morally objects to (Marxism, French theory, postmodernism). I've mostly disagreed with Peterson but always thought of him as a genuine thinker. But the last couple of years I have been doubting the sincerity of his 'intellectual' pursuits. I guess they are sincere in the sense that he is genuinely shaken by certain social phenomena and occurances on a moral level. But sadly this has taken a man of his capabilities to where he feels the need to bolster his claims with falsehoods and misinformation.
@@arthurhiroa4238 you have been fooled by the propaganda against him.
Completely agree. Peterson is, at best, an obscurantist on most issues concerning the environment. He bring zero value to the conversation.
Listening to this clip is like listening to adults speaking about a child who has left the room...😅
Super underated comment.. The realms in which you learn from talking about a kid or person who isn't there is so underappreciated. The world we live in always makes us seem like we have to live up to some sort of reasoning without guilt of being to crucial and that is such bullshit.. I'm sick of telling my best friend what he wants to hear instead of helping them. I think it's one of man's greatest dilemmas; you either be to nice and don't help or teach the next man or your to mean and those that need the help reject the idea entirely
@@alixnovak4493 If youre continually telling anyone what you think they want to hear, instead of the truth, they may in fact not be your freind at all. They may just be using you as a crutch to bolster their denialism. Of course it could be more than that but Trust is one of the most important ingredients in real friendship . Which includes trusting that a friend isnt just trying to hurt you when telling you things you may not want to hear.
@@Suzume-Shimmer Mount Pinatubo's Last eruption: June 15, 1991 put more green house chemicals in the air than all of human's existence combined!!!!!
@@readmore3634 And.... ????
@@Suzume-Shimmer lol...do you know how many volcanic eruptions happen?...and are happening at this moment....and our planet's history of eruptions? The climate is just fine...actually could use more carbon for better plant growth...research it yourself...in other words....why are we even talking about it?
So many people protest but still buy the newest cell phones, clothes and splurge. It is time for them to really make a stand, start a real revolution and fight for those making cents an hour just to feed their families. Kids wake up because you are also the problem, need, need, need, do you really need it? Watch that video on 420 or 720 on your cell phone not HD that is just a waste of energy. One hour of streaming video typically uses around 0.08 kWh, but actual consumption depends on the device, network connection, and resolution. Even though this seems like a little amount, let’s just say that KZhead users stream around 5 billion KZhead videos being watched each day. Hmmmmm, that's why I took the time to write a new song about it titled "You Can SMC". Make change now and let's start a real revolution. Together we are strong.
Another example of me just not being smart enough. To me Paul completely missed the friend Jordon perspective on the environment, completely!
Great clip lex. When I clicked it I expected an attack on JP or his ideas. I should have known you'd host better than that. Kudos
So if he brought on someone who disagreed with Peterson you would consider him a bad host?
Wow did he say that we’ve lost %70 of all wildlife in the last 50 years? I mean if that’s true that’s significant and definitely an environmental emergency!
Yeah, not true. Warning bell in my head when he said that.
The Living Planet report showed a loss of 69% of animal populations, in 2022 from around 50 years ago. The word population matters here and he didn't use that word (likely just the way he phrased it in a back and forward conversation but for the sake of argument here, it matters), so we've not lost 70% of all species but 70% (almost and that was 2022, in 2020 it was 68%) of animal population size. That is incredibly worrying and not getting any better.
@@capuchinsevenjust want to clarify his statement and yours. So for example, if there was 10 of each animal species living 50 years ago that would mean now there’s only 3 of each animal species living? Population wise
@harrierjint8011 You are a victim of propaganda. The Living Planet Index (LPI) is a standardized indicator for tracking population trends through time. Due to its ability to aggregate many time series in a single metric, the LPI has been proposed as an indicator for the Convention on Biological Diversity's post-2020 Global Biodiversity Strategy. However, here we show that random population fluctuations introduce biases when calculating the LPI. By combining simulated and empirical data, we show how random fluctuations lead to a declining LPI even when overall population trends are stable and imprecise estimates of the LPI when populations increase or decrease nonlinearly.
@@lhurst9550 Google is your friend
Maybe we are meant to learn how to live harmoniously with a fully conscious planet that can accommodate a diverse spectrum pf others.
Showcase of what it means to be tactically diplomatic.
I grew up hunting/camping and spending lots of time in the woods with my grandpa and dad. Those times were some of the most educational and profound moments in my life. I learned to respect and deeply appreciate nature. I learned how symbiotic a person or small group of people can live removed from society. I agree that humans most certainly can have a profound impact on the environment, especially in the scope of large groups or society as a whole. I believe there are MANY factors that affect the climate and the earth that are out of a person or people's control. I also believe that human life is more precious than the rest of the inhabitants of earth or the earth itself. That's not to say that the earth or it's or other inhabitants should be disregarded... Just that that a human being shouldn't suffer at the expense of anything else. I'm not sure how to improve things on a societal level. It's massive in scope and intricately complicated. But, as the guest mentioned, I've always believed that there is much an individual or family can do to help by focusing on what's in front of you and your own personal impact instead of looking at society as a whole and focusing on/pushing for change on a massive scale. I mean, many families produce an entire bag of trash a day. That's just one small impact/issue. I see garbage cans all over that are completely full every single week. What can be done to change that... I don't know. I'm just one guy, I live alone, and have that perspective gained from childhood that influences my actions still today - to live symbioticly with and respect nature. Not everyone has the same perspective, motivation, or means to live the same way. Very complicated. 😔
Earth will always be here. It's humans that are the ones that will expire.
Yes?
So while we drown, we drag as much as the planet with us?
Biosphere not. We have NuclearPowerPlants - tends to explode if maintaining fails. The collapse of civilization - is the end of biosphere.
Look at what Randall Carlson says about climate change
@@anymaru Why?
I was ready to criticize....but Paul makes good sense. I hate the growth in our local area, where they strip-clear 100s of acres to build cookie-cutter houses, then wall-to-wall businesses...& the Chamber of Commerce is filled with joy & happiness. But where are the trees? Where's beauty...nature...healthy environments...ecosystems? What about the heat, water quality, windbreaks, noise, pollution? Can't we live as humans, with innovation & growth....without destroying everything in the process? Why can't we start a tree-planting law: cut a tree, plant a tree. We can reshape the environment....but c'mon...keep it natural. Our mental, emotional, & physical health depends upon it.
How to tell if someone is a vegan? Wait 7.5 seconds after you meet them and they will let you know.
He's right about the vegan in South America. I was only there (Brazil and Bolivia) for three months and many people didn't understand the concept of veganism. I felt like I was offending my hosts, and I lost out on many foods that are culturally distinct and hard won. Who turns down fresh fried piranha? Even their teeth were breaded.
You misunderstood veganism if you're telling indigenous people to go vegan.
@@RamseyRimkeit I wasn't advocating veganism.
He's right that they might not respect or understand veganism but that's not what veganism is. If he truly respects animals and the planet then don't be a weak bitch and deny that because you want to impress tribes people you don't know. He's also not buying spider monkey when he goes to kfc.
Personally, it seems odd to me to visit and live with them to (presumably) experience their culture, all the while refusing to budge on how your culture informs how you eat. Doesn't that undermine the point of the experience? If you wanted to truly experience life as they do, a big part of that is eating as they do.
@@theWebWizrd agreed 💯
I don't think anyone disagrees there are issues, it's the solution people disagree with. Peterson has been very clear on what he believes the impact of these "climate alarmist" policies will have on humanity. It's quite obvious these politicians are not at all interested in the climate they just want to power that comes with the emergency. We are living in a state of perpetual emergency because if it's an emergency then they can claim there is no time for reasonable discussion.
I agree. I’ve only ever seen him talk about it from the alarmist policy perspective, not an ecological perspective. The policies being pushed may even do more damage to ecosystems than what we are currently doing. Massive fields of solar panels and wind turbines probably aren’t great for wildlife. Nor is tearing everything down to rebuild it with new “green” materials.
Bingo
No warming for 7 years. Something needs to be done immediately!!!
Except JP constantly undermines the fact that species and habitats are being destroyed for business. He passes it all off as alarmist. He's a useful tool for big corporations and the GOP. He tows his line like a good boy.
@@pg_jem That's not true at all, Peterson often talks about the fact that there are real environmental issues that need to be dealt with, one example he often refers to is the over-fishing of our oceans. His position is quite clear that he disagrees with the solutions being proposed from the likes of the WEF and clearly outlines how these "solutions" will quite obviously have the direct opposite impact.
Great Talk here
Its very condecending to tell kids to go outside and get laid. How about addressing their concerns? Is going outside and getting laid going to ease they very real fears? Its as if some adults really have no idea how to talk to children.
His views on veganism are flawed. How do you come to the conclusion that tigers have their own inherent right to exist here but the animals that he eats do not? And he's not vegan because he'll lose the respect of Amazon villagers? Surely just explain to them your reasons which they should respect, or make an exception for the offering if you think that will have a better outcome. He's not being offered spider monkey meat when he leaves Lex's studio...
I dont understand the problem with the first part. Tiger are here and want and can eat meat - Humans are here and want and can eat meat.
@@teiuq His view is that tigers have an inherent right to exist and presumably we should not kill them where possible - so it's fair to wonder why he doesn't hold this view for all animals? A scoff and an invocation of Amazonian villagers is not a good argument. I'd be interested in hearing an expanded more thoughtful response of his because from this video his views appear to be lacking and potentially contradictory. I'm sure the fact that everything he's worried about in this video is heavily linked with the negative aspects of animal agriculture isn't lost on him. I wouldn't be surprised if he eats animal products sparingly because of this, but he goes further by establishing that tigers have an inherent right to exist which implies other animals can and should have this right too. Up to him to make a coherent and non-contradictory argument as to which ones do and which ones don't.
@@teiuq yeah but tigers haven’t completely dominated the planet
@@teiuq Tigers aren't factory farming livestock and causing a host of problems that go beyond climate change.
@@calumacky I think he was referring to tigers being near extinction compared to their once much larger population numbers, which is why we should not kill them, whereas all domesticated animals that human civilization uses for sustenance are not near extinction and are not threatened with disappearing. That's the distinction I drew from his argument. Regarding the tribes, yeah kind of a weak argument there.
Gotta love non climate experts thinking they should have equal input on the topic. What a time to be alive
Dude climate experts have zero solutions to the problem, thats not there job.
70% loss of wildlife in 50 years? I have heard other source say they looked into that claim and it was only 2 species that went extinct. Is it that the overall number of animals is decreasing and the species just aren't going extinct? Who has reliable information that isn't spun with ideology or financial interests?
It was a comment he made where he didn't see it was Specifically about the average temperature...not the Whole "climate or environment"
Economist here. I spent years in Indonesia, and I learned something there. Without wealth, there is little room for much concern for the environment. If your children are starving, literally the last thing on your mind is the protection of the environment. Capitalism builds wealth. If you destroy capitalism you will destroy the environment. Read the great book, "Ecocide in the USSR" which chronicles the horrendous environmental record of the Soviet Union. Indeed, the authors argue that was the primary reason for its demise. The solution is capitalism and properly institutionalized markets, not a return to stone knives.
Sounds like a vote for carbon cap and trade markets to me!
Why not honor the kids as they are? Some people might prefer later in life that they were passionate about something in their youth, even if it involved some fear. I think getting laid is going to come no matter what, why dismiss them for who they are and who they are at that moment and how they tried to express it to you. Young people are eager to move into the adult world, and to have so much concern, that they're actually doing something, not just giving it lip service, is so commendable. What a bummer that you tell them to chill out.
I think his point was that a lot of people, kids included, become passionate about environmental change but don’t have a meaningful path of action towards it. Becoming vegan, riding a bicycle, or not watching TV has no measurable impact in the world. Sure they’re being conscientious about the environment but that’s about it - it’s not gonna stop the fossil fuel industry, fast food industry, etc. That’s why he redirects them to instead do things within reach that have a more meaningful and direct impact - like helping someone in need for example. Change of any kind that is achievable begins at a smaller scale and local level within one’s own community. People tend to ignore that and straight away want to tackle complex global issues which is just not effective, especially if their solution is as simplistic as becoming vegan.
@@castle_02 Thanks for writing. I understand, but I disagree that those actions have no impact. Changes have to start with individuals and spread. (Exactly as you said, industries aren't going to try to change attitudes that support them.) Also, these young people may already be active in their community, or may be in the future - what says they're not or won't be? My point is that they are on their own path and excited to help with the enormous changes that have to happen and why should anyone have any problem with that - or try to redirect? They reached out to him out of respect and it wasn't reciprocated. He started out by saying how even as a young child he was always drawn to nature, and then when these young people are concerned about mass extinction he scoffs. I just think that people can be very dismissive of young people and their right to live and learn - and also disdainful of their personalities. I'm sure I interpreted it differently than he actually communicated to them; I'm sure he probably used more sensitivity and respect than what came across in this video. For myself, if I see someone young riding a bike, eating vegan and not watching TV, I am excited for them for getting it so young and for their future positive impact! I hope it spreads and spreads and spreads!
I try to watch Lex his just so slow and it drives me crazy
Nice to see someone who understands what JBP is thinking and doing.
Haha so nice. Almost TOO nice. Oh, yeah, he was also in a podcast with him, so there's that.
@@WokeAFMillennial it's all a big circle jerk of pushing right wing lunatic talking points for money, lex is in on it too.
God forbid anyone in the space do anything but worship the man
Very eloquent way of avoiding the actual question.
It's quite sad how many people in the comments only rate Rosolie by the fact he doesn't dislike Peterson outright. So if he were to say Peterson talks nonsense on the subject of the climate … then you wouldn't take his opinion as valid? If you can't approach arguments without some person irrelevant to the argument being validated just so you can feel secure in your own beliefs then it is a pretty sad state of affairs we are in.
The following comment is probably out of place here. But it’s just still on my mind. Maybe it will resonate with someone else. I never really thought much about ‘1984’ Until I visited a few local hospitals during the lockdown of my city (a lockdown which was premised entirely on the claim that hospitals were “in trouble”) and every damn hospital (on every day that I visited) was unbelievably vacant --and they stayed that way for months (while we stayed locked down)….. sitting in those empty hospitals was 1984. Big time. Because, it wasn’t that the hospitals were kind of busy…or borderline busy… or could-be-considered-kind of busy --it was that they were, unequivocally, empty as F*ck while we were being told the opposite. It was insane. And no news outlet would say it. They wouldn’t even do a ‘story’ on why the hospitals at least ‘looked’ completely vacant; they just kept saying they were in a capacity crisis. And overflowing. I still can’t really believe it.
JP has an opinion about everything these days. He went from someone talking as an expert to mansplaining everything to everyone. He even comments on football now.
Yep, he's a clinical psychologist and university lecturer by training. He's not a politician, philosopher or climate change scientist.
Yeah. He should just shut up and stay in the kitchen.
@@dellwright1407 that doesnt mean he can't become those which is what you are suggesting by saying this
If I was famous like Jordan OF COURSE anyone would be using their platform to talk things they passionate about. Jordan is a genius at psychology just not genius at other things. Doesn't invalidate his opinion just, the average fan thinks his wisdom on personality traits is the same level with climate change. It is not.
I’m not sure why some people in the comments think Peterson is so off base on this topic. He has brought attention to the fact there is a huge difference between what climate science actually says v.s. the alarmist rhetoric that seems to primarily result in governments pick-axing at the foundation of our food and energy infrastructure we so desperately rely on as a society, as well a significant wealth and power transfer towards a tiny international community of elites.
I would argue Peterson knows where his core market sits re-climate change and has aligned his position with that, and the few contrarians that also align with his core audience. This makes his position one of politics, not evidence.
I think Jordan Petersons point is to improve yourself and your immediate environment and the consequences of that will improve the wider environment. It's irrelevant whether there is ecological disaster or not because his advice wouldn't change.
pick one thing you are good at it, be effective, is vague, slightly nihilistic. be good at coding anti-social media software, fly around evangelising the corporate capture of the Internet in the name of 'progress'? ... as if Progress is one festival of ideas. Everytime you fly, you push pollution into the upper atmosphere where it takes about 1000 years to be removed (NASA website!), assuming the current state of the biosphere, not the degraded one to come. The message is, Physics doesn't care about the chittah of middle aged men going through their midlife crisis ( - isn't peterson the definition of Jung's shadow soul bursting through freuds little man ego? all i see is a desperate human crying out for help, but trapped within archaic cliche and sentimentality. ) Lex, invite Sherry Turkle onto your podcast, she's will balance the overall skew of the worldview of your guests. Where are the wise women?
Experts hate to admit they sometimes don’t know what they’re talking about. Eg Climate change or Covid.
Thanks KZhead. We really need those context links... cuz we stupid hoi polloi right?
Wow this guy is a rare breed. An environmentalist that actually cares about the environment instead of shaming and hyperventilating on his own farts. Color me impressed. A lot easier to convince people when you aren’t telling them how awful they are for existing.
Hyper ventilating hahaha
Who are you referring to?
@@rolletroll2338 here we go
@@IlmarBeekman most environmentalists don't do what you're talking about. So, please, give examples.
@@rolletroll2338 hahahaha!!!
He's got to be referring to rainforest when saying 70% of wildlife is gone in the last 50 years. I dunno maybe he meant on the earth. Because in the last 50 years I believe half of the rainforest on earth have be cut down for logging, creating farmland, living space, and mining. Also I think 50 percent of the great barrier reef is dead. Those are 2 of the biggest ecosystems so I know the numbers are significant but I didn't think 70% but I'm not an environmentalists. .
According to the 2020 Living Planet Report by the World Wildlife Fund, global populations of mammals, birds, fish, amphibians, and reptiles have declined by an average of 68% since 1970.
@@JoeOcchipinti that is wild.
@@JoeOcchipinti why would anyone believe that we knew how many there were to begin with, and how many there are now? Try to be at least a little bit skeptical of these ridiculous claims.
@@coryhoggatt7691 First, I didn't say anything about what I believe. I only referred to a study. But if you do want to be skeptical then, did you look up the study? Did you examine the methodology? Is it run by legitimate scientist?
Oh no! What’s going to happen to the Amazon forest when there is more plant food (CO2)?
JBP has very interesting points on a number of things. Climate change is not one of them.
I, too, am a big Jordan Peterson fan, but yes "cringe" is a good description of how I feel when he gets going on the "climate" topic. The issue is not JUST climate. I watched some of one interview he did with someone who had written a book, essentially saying that the whole climate change thing was merely hysteria, doomsday talk, a way to keep people down... While it does get treated like that, NONETHELESS there really are some extremely concerning trends in the impact of humanity on this planet. The speaker Jordan had on -- and I'm not ashamed to admit I have no recollection the guy's name -- was stunning, and not in a good way. Not only was his viewpoint way out in left field, he was wearing these RI - DI - CUlLOUS glasses -- these enormous white plastic framed behemoths that would have even made Elton John laugh. I'm sorry, call me fickle, but I really cannot take seriously anything that someone with so little awareness of how stupid they look, opines. And I won't be buying that fellow's book after hearing the tripe he spewed.