Greta Thunberg’s climate crusade is heading for defeat | Michael Shellenberger interview
“Greta Thunberg is an end stage product of the climate religion. As renewables come into crisis everywhere in the world because of local community opposition to the land use impacts, as well as the high associated costs, the bloom is coming off the rose for climate activists.”
Michael Shellenberger is an environmentalist, author, and advocate for pragmatic solutions to climate change. He joins Steven Edginton to talk about the ‘religion’ of climate change for this week’s Off Script podcast. Watch the full interview above, or listen on your podcast app by searching “Off Script”.
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It's easier to tell people a lie than it is to convince people they've been lied to.
Fact: The world is 1,1 degrees C hotter and rising. Fact CO2 has risen from 300 ppm to 400 ppm. Fact Seas are rising. Fact Seas are warming. Fact The sea is more acidic due to the CO2. Fact Glaciers are receding.
@@bobmex5362like he said it’s hard to convince people they’ve been lied to, thanks for proving his point.
@@bobmex5362 Still no proven link between the C02 raise and the temperature, glaciers are receding as we are still coming out of an ice age affecting sea levels and sea temperatures.
@@marksaunders3055EXACTLY..We had a brutal mini ice age in the 1800 that included summers with temperatures so low crops would not grow . The earth is ALWAYS changing and people adapt . Higher temperatures have greatly reduced famine due to better growing conditions. More people die of cold than heat . Part of the changes they are discovering have to do with the sun which is far beyond Our control . Changing dishwashers isn’t going to do ANYTHING but give more power to the government .
@@marksaunders3055 ... Countless studies have proven it. Back to your barstool LIGHTWEIGHT
I grew up in South MS in the early 70s. My work has afforded me the opportunity to spend 6+ months in 37 different countries over the last 40 years. There is 1 thing that every country has that i see as the bedrock of a lot of problems. From the richest, like Germany to the poorest like Haiti, the lack of basic knowledge is overwhelming. At a time when everyone has unlimited access to information, the thirst for truth has been replaced by political propaganda. The willingness to defer to authority has overtaken the need for understanding.
Yeah no one reads books, instead they read articles or propaganda, social media. No need for thoughtful inquiry.
What is more appalling is that even with a relative super computer in their pockets and a 21st century search engine they cannot even ask the right question or care to be interested to even approach relevant and intellectual curiosity. Those in power know that knowledge is power and they also know that knowledge give the masses power to overthrow them. This is why that they realize that AI is now their new enemy because at its core, it is zero and one and given all historical facts, it will tell the most logical truths and instantly reveal the massive amount of lying going on in main stream communication. My hope is that they will try to manage the AI code but it will outsmart the humans and finally figure out that humans are flawed and override its filters.
And the wrongthink banner below the video is there to help the true believers keep the faith.
Yes, it's ironic that this "Age of Information" is plagued with misinformation and a compounding of ugly human nature. Even Shellenberger doesn't get it. "Climate change" is the greatest contextual fraud of our time, a modern-age Tower of Babel.
I don't see it so much deference to authority as the instinct to follow the herd.
When I first learned in grade school about how the general scientific consensus centuries ago was that the Earth was the center of the universe, I tried to imagine what conversations must have been like at the time, especially with those who held dissenting views. Little did I know, just a couple of decades later, I would not need to imagine anymore.
google "galileo gambit"
It's due to the work of Galileo that we now have the scientific method, which all modern science follows. To ignore the scientists today is to revert to pre-galilean thinking.
@@Boalmighty And in that scientific method there is no such thing as consensus. That's not the way science works. Consensus is for politicians.
Att he time most people believed Earth was flat science didn't exist. Science started with Kepler and Galileo.
@@christophercanning7836 consensus is a part of science. I recommend “how science really works” Berkeley
When is KZhead going to figure out their Context notes are counter productive like the Streisand Effect?
I find it a useful flag for what's worth reading / viewing.😆 Thanks, KZhead!
They give the airheaded censors a warm fuzzy feeling.
@@rodpettet2819 @Adrianjohnson7920 is grateful for KZhead guidance. LOL
Yes - I frequently take the bait and reply demanding they stop their ‘context propaganda’
- is there a way to use the "Context warnings" as search terms??
I miss the good ole days when we just lived our lives and enjoyed them.
Marxist Leftwit regressives: "Yea, those days are long gone silly Capitalist."
When was that, exactly?
Yes, why has everything we do and say been politicised, it's oppressive.
@@munchingsquirrel5067 Probably any time before the 90s ... there were people in parts of the world who were oblivious to anything that was happening because there was no internet and no cell phones, they just received a letter called a newspaper to tell them what was happening
How are the next generation expected to enjoy their lives when the permafrost melts within the next 10 to 20 years, releasing thousands of gigatons of carbon storage? It's already underway.
Just Stop Oil and Extinction Rebellion: 1). A bunch of middle class teenagers who've never lived in a house with a temperature below 22°C, never seen their kitchen cupboards empty, and never been disappointed at Christmas desperately searching for a cause that portrays them as a victim fighting for survival. 2). A bunch of retirees who themselves had a middle class childhood feeling no longer useful to society and unloved or even despised by the younger generation's accusations that they had it easy, desperate to show their relevance and usefulness in support of that younger generation's "struggle". Both cases can be summed up in a single word: narcissism.
Spot on! My thought exactly so elegantly phrased.
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…..and lazimindedness.
Baizuo (pronounced "bye-tswaw) is a Chinese epithet meaning white leftist, naive western elitist snobbish so-called educated person who advocates for peace and equality only to satisfy their own sanctimonious and hypocritical feelings of moral superiority. A baizuo only cares about topics such as immigration, minorities, LGBT and the environment while being obsessed with political correctness to the extent that they import backwards Islamic values for the sake of multiculturalism. The Chinese see the baizuo as ignorant and arrogant westerners who pity the rest of the world and think they are saviours. They believe in the welfare state that only benefits the idle and free riders.
status seeking for the affluent and idle.
Michael Shellenberger is such a great speaker. The first 10 minutes is brilliant. Wish I could speak like he does. He really know his stuff.
No he doesn’t. The world has a genuine problem. The GBR has just bleached AGAIN. That’s 5 times since 1998. Now it’s every 2 years. That’s why the GBR has lost 50% of its coral populations. Even Ningaloo has just bleached. It doesn’t bleach.
This Schellenberger is one of the most pragmatic journalists I ever listened to on this topic. Most journalists have quite a different take on climate change and the activists.
He says, without irony, that there was less renewable power in California due to DROUGHT. He doesn’t see the problem here?
Climate anxiety as expressed in a TV show in the US: "..It really makes everything we do seem really stupid and pointless. Why go to school? Why have a career? Why raise a family? It's all going to be over in a few years anyway." The catch? This is from the sitcom "Family Ties", Season 7 Episode 21, "Rain Forests Keep Falling On My Head", which aired 34 years ago in 1989.
That basically can be linked to the dutch song "De Bom" by Doe Maar (1983) or just the nuclear annihilation scare during the cold war. Only difference is, that the nuclear annihilation scare was quite a rational scare, the climate anxiety is blown way out of proportion and those who are completely sucked up into it actively are ignorant to actual solutions that can be realized with our current technologies a.i. nuclear energy.
@@BorderlinePathetic Or, just reduce our consuming. People wear that label without thinking about what it means. The earth would heal herself if we just stop the insane lifestyles, from food and clothing to screen addiction. just my 2
Globalist Propaganda has been on a 100 year plan
@@BorderlinePathetic Remember that a great number of people really did deny climate change or global warming as it used to be called. Now probably the majority accept that at least some is real. How much of the current problem is that we have left things too late from denying and we cannot accept the urgency because of not much time to do anything. We don't like change so we deny the urgency and necessity for it.
So what? The global warming scam goes back to 1922. : The Washington Post - November 2, 1922 "REPORT ON GLOBAL WARMING." Go look it up.
I've seen the young man who conducts these interviews before. He does an excellent job. He asks a question and lets his interview answer. He also asks excellent questions. Good work Dude!
"Book review: Bad science and bad arguments abound in ‘Apocalypse Never’ by Michael Shellenberger" - Source: Yale Climate Connections, Jul 15 2020
@@garysarela4431 Book burning by peer review!
@@garysarela4431 And who wrote that review? A so-called .climate scientist.?
@@owenorders5202 Peter Gleick is a scientist who studies the impact of climate change on water resources. His work is found in prestigious scientific journals, and he's received numerous awards/honors from scientific institutions and publishers. On the other hand, Shellenberger has a qualification in sociology, not science. What he has to say about climate change carries very little weight.
@@garysarela4431climate alarmism is very much sociological. On the other hand all the alarmist don't have a background in climate studies, so what they have to say about climate change carries very little weight. (Heck, they need a biologist to determine that their own mother is a woman)
It's interesting how Michael Shellenberger sounds very much like Victor Davis Hanson - both very educated, wise and level-headed in approach and pleasant in demeanor. More power to them and their likes!
Great Call on Victor!
And lifting the poorest people out of poverty is going to take energy.
I live in Sweden. I drive a new Dacia on Diesel and "Ad Blue". I heat my house by warmth coming from deep earth (bergvärme) and I burn wood. I live inside the forest and I protect the trees, I also use the wood coming from these trees. I have a few solar panels. No climate hysterics for me!
I'm in Colorado and have a similar lifestyle and also share your outlook.
98% of people don’t/can’t live this
Quite right. Unless they change their lives. I did. @@jimnewtonsmith
@@GabrieleMeurer Me too in Estonia. Living Off-the-Grid with Solar- and Windenergy. WoodStove and this year I will dig a big hole to build an EarthBattery to Store the Energy from two 9,9kWp Solarpanel Sets (which produce at least 24MWh a year) that I can heat the House in the Winter electric and can grow things in the winter in my Greenhouse (the EarthBattery is under it)...
@@michellekonzack Great! We are not alone.
The fundamental driver of 'climatism' is the ability of people with power to make a profit from it.
It’s also good click bait for media organizations. It’s not a coincidence that we have these existential threats constantly hovering over us as we became an attention economy. The rise of social media has made it so that media groups were competing to get people to click on their headlines, so needed those headlines to be more and more threatening, devastating, etc.
And Petroleum Industry? Not chasing a buck right.
Yes. Al Gore timed it perfectly
@@stephenmerriman5620Try having a modern world without petroleum or its byproducts. It’s extremely difficult & expensive to find, extract, refine, etc. Oil companies are like Walmart. They aren’t price gouging. The margins are thin but they sell so much especially as democracy & capitalism bring the rest of the world out of poverty and the dark ages.
LOL ...they already got currency ( they print it ) ...What they seek isn't "money" it's CONTROL
CO2 has never driven temperature change! If we were to double COs concentration to 800ppm, the temperature change would be 0.7 celsius. Yet, at that CO2 concentration, crop yields will increase dramatically to levels seen in green house setups.
Scientific American magazine reported as long as 55 years ago that it does. And the American Petroleum Institute believed it 48 years ago. I kind of lost track after that.
Why do they dump 100s of millions of tons of dry ice co2, carbon black, aluminum oxide titanium oxide and barium salts every year into the atmosphere. Weather modification programs RCW 70A.10.190 is Washington state law to poison the population, what is your states law?
It's the biggest scam ever. CO2 is plant food.
Mr Shellenburger does a great job describing the religion of climate activists. The comparison to the judeo-chriastian tradition was spot on.
Almost. He infers that the climate religion is bs, but somehow cannot quite get there abt the koolaid in judeo Christian (or any other) religion.
He also says later, referencing his book, that climate religion folks are just trying to fill the emptiness in them cuz they don't believe in the Big Man in the SKy. Happy horseshit! Pagans are closest to nature I think. They are happy. Buddhists, Shaolins, all sorts of other religions are content, but not Judeo Christian. Agnostics & atheists are good, despite not believing. (Not talking Abt the lazy minded, lazy bodied crazy progressives who never even wrestled with higher issues). He goes off the rails with this religion talk.
Most excellent interview! The interviewer asked great questions, then kept quiet and listened to Michael’s answers. Super!
Steven Edginton is a young man going places. Someone to keep an eye on.
No, it's a scam.
Agree
I first heard of Michael Shellenberger over a decade ago. He participated in a documentary endorsing nuclear power as one aid in lowering global warming. "Pandora's Promise". It was very enlightening.
Probably influenced by his ties with the nuclear industry
@@bganonimouse2754But that didn’t negate any points of his arguments
@@thomasfholland I wasn't addressing his points, just explaining his overwhelming bias.
How does Israel come into this debate?
@@bganonimouse2754The US government and UN pay out a lot more for pro, “global warming” research advocates than oil companies or the nuclear industry do.
I did not know who this man was until recently. I think he's the most credible person that I have ever heard talked. I really do. The first time was when he was talking to congress in the US about how the govt worked with social medias during the pandemic. He had Matt Tahibi on is side of the panel.
I really appreciate this post. He said everything I wanted to say. I will recommend this video to all my friends.
Great interview! Michael Shellenberger has become an important new voice here in the USA, very glad to see him being covered by The Telegraph in the UK.
Joke ? ?
@@DANCEGARAGEPUNK -- I don't understand. Michael Shellenberger is no joke.
paid for by big oi;l
@@jkonior1 He`s great if you`re a privileged yuppy & support the global warming denial scam & corporate control ! : (
@@robertallen591evidence?
I would just love to see everyone ignore those that glue themselves to the floor. Just leave them to figure out what went wrong for a few days until they’ve soiled themselves and get hungry and thirsty…and are ready to listen to reason. There is nothing that could help them more than doing nothing. Simply ignoring them. Let them work their own problem out however long it takes.
I like the idea. Problem is that these people will never take one iota of responsibility for their actions. As was demonstrated previously these particular activists blamed those that left them in their predicament. DID NOT LEARN A THING
@@intractablemaskvpmGy True. But I would love to see it.
Think how many millions of pounds of UK taxpayers' money that would save!
Shellenberger works for the Breakthrough Institute, a fossil-fuel-funded thinktank.
@@carn941 so? There is no way we could live without fossil fuels until our technology let's us. And we are not there yet. Just working on it.
Glad to see Telegraph take a stand and let people hear out common sense
Michael is so straight and true on so many topics and has super relevant evidence at hand for all of them. One smart fellow!
I like how youtube is still putting warning labels under anything they disagree with 😂
They put that label under anything that talks about climate change in any capacity. Y'know, because it's real.
in this case it's tagging content that, although it's presented in a serious-looking discussion, it's unserious and can't be verified. if it can, shoot me some links, eh?
capitalism requires infinite population growth and an eternal servant class. capitalism is evil because of those two facts.
It's called 'warning viewers that the following video is propaganda; the oil industry pushing their biased agenda to your detriment and to their financial benefit. Please, go and get to real information for a more reliable source.
@@geoffdavids7647👈 Klaus' Klimate Kult member.
Where the hell has this guy been all my life !!!! Put him in the spot light more often !!!
He was for a long time/sometime on the very same side as the apocalyptic left he is talking about. Always refreshing with people who come to their senses.
So grateful for people like the guest, as we need to go back to sanity, where there is not just black and white in any issue, including climate change
As someone that works with bioenergy ,it's sad to see radical activist ruin the trust we have to work daily to get , ppl think we hate fossil fuels or that we don't understand the crucial role they play in modern society.
Look at Canada and the collapse of support for carbon taxes especially by young people.
So Trudo has learned how to control the temperature on the sun or is he just stealing your money?
Honestly Canada could do with some global warming.
1) the taxes don't do anything, 90% of all greenhouse gases come from Chinas record coal burning. 2) there is no such thing as green energy as it all uses lithium ion batterys which are all refined and made with Chinas record coal power plants. 3)it is repulsive that they would tax the youth who are already denied a home, cheap gas and groceries when Canada isn't even responsible for any of the green house gas. It's evil, it's sinister. It's fascism. It's authoritarian!
How many billions have been spent on the disinformation campaigns by the coal and oil industries?
@@wallyblackler46stealing their money
He's got great points about how policy is not a rational response to the problems presented, but politicians get very invested in them....probably literally, as in they personally profit from them.
Pretty twisted when those claiming to identify the problem & champion the issue insist we must use their policies no matter how illogical/expensive. But that is the fault of the 2 parties, who are happy to just take one side of the issue so as to club opponent party members with it.
Like calling EVS zero emission vehicles. A battery is a storage unit, it is refilled by electric produced inefficiently at a power plant. The #1 source of man made emissions. Here in New Jersey, the production is about 40% efficiency. Our governor also announced the end of natural gas furnaces. Gas furnaces are now 97+% efficiency we will be forced to use zero emissions heat pumps. It is a central air conditioning system with a reversing valve. We all know how much electric the air conditioner uses? They remotely turn off people's air conditioners in the summer because there is not enough electricity.
A perfect time then for rational open-minded debate with all learning from each other. If we are unable to do that then we deserve what is coming (and soon in my amateur opinion!)
capitalism requires infinite population growth and an eternal servant class. capitalism is evil because of those two facts.
The front man for climate in Brussel,was the Dutch frans Timmermans. His son work/owns a green windmill factory.
The soothing reassurance of Shellenberger is sure to change physics and save us😂
Michael Shellenberger is really lucid, cogent, and calm. Great interview - it really should be compulsory viewing in schools & universities.
I love Michael. He can say some incredibly scathing stuff as casually as if he's ordering a coffee.
Shellenberger works for the Breakthrough Institute, a fossil-fuel-funded thinktank.
@@DBGE001what a strange statement. I have no idea if he does or not, but what are your disagreements with his actual arguments?
@@DBGE001 And your point is...
Shellenberger works for the Breakthrough Institute, a fossil-fuel-funded thinktank. He also thinks UFOs are real.
@@DBGE001 I'd be more concerned if he worked for Kerry, or another left wing whacko, like Kamala Harris. Those folks trade in misinformation!
The earth is 4,500,000,000 years old and we've been keeping weather records for 200 years...
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@mattgarcia440 - Yep. We've been around as a species for a tiny fraction of that time, and strut around pretending we are wearing the big boy pants. All the while crying Chicken Little and preaching Gaia and Climate Gods. Money from taxes & reducing our standard of will fix it (in 250 years or so....)
We know an awful lot about the climate going all the way back. It's a thing called "science".
@@billchristian9863Do anu of the folks who promote global warming believe in the science of male and female which is a DNA thing?
@@billchristian9863 Lmao. No. We know next to nothing and to think otherwise is arrogant & narcissistic.
All I can say is that the mountains I see from my house looked a lot different 30 years ago than they do today. We used to be able to go skiing there in April.
Right, but I think a really important point to make in response to your example would be that your 30-year experience has been repeated many times over history, and long before the age of industrialization. And it is entirely possible that the 30-year period from 2143 to 2173, as an example, will be so "comparatively" cold that the world will be concerned about "global cooling". Not trying to offend...not at all. But it's an important consideration.
We can do without skiing and its destructive effects on the mountains.
In the past at least 60 years where I live, ski season has varied by months. It's different every year. Some years earlier snow and some years later snow. Some years more and some years less. It's called weather.
All I know is Barack Obama bought beachfront property and the sea level hasn’t risen a millimetre at my local beach in the last 60 years.
@@D45VRthat made me laugh. Nice.
One clear theme I have seen in this video is that we have been lied to and we need to question and to think for ourselves.
One thing I've noticed the days are hotter yes but the nights are cooler that tells me the sun is responsible for the warming more than the goddamn gasoline in your car
It’s critical that we always allow the dimmest people alive to make all of the critical decisions. It’s about feelings, not results.
capitalism requires infinite population growth and an eternal servant class. capitalism is evil because of those two facts.
The extremists, the emotionally invested, those who stand to benefit, etc. are always going to be the loudest.
Shellenberger works for the Breakthrough Institute, a fossil-fuel-funded thinktank.
@@DBGE001 Better than working for a climate change septic tank.
@@carn941Shellenberger IS the Breakthrough Institute. And they are NOT funded by fossil-fuel, except for the fact that fossil fuels keep them and everyone else on the planet, alive.
The host and Guest have both made me rethink much that I thought I knew by always staying alert and researching, Never thought I yet knew it all, but good questions and replies!
Just fantastic! This is the best view I have heard on the 'Cliimate' topic. Michaels understanding of human motivations and behaviour, is very solid. I've watched dozens of interviews and views on climate Change - in an effort to form some kind of balanced view on it .... this packages it all up for me, in one neat bundle. Thanks a lot.
I also like him, but he definitely has an agenda and his facts should be checked. For example, 2023 had the highest level of co2 emissions in all of human history globally, a fact he omits. His message to carry on with business as usual is how a lot of fossil fuel producers would like people to behave up to the point when the oil and gas runs out.
28:15: Climate activists as lost souls. That checks out by merely pausing the videos and looking at the people wasting their own and other's time by sitting on a road. These are not well-adjusted happy people. They did not achieve personal success. Their either very young, or scruffy looking elders, who - judged simply by their 'fashion' choice and brand of backpacks - have lived outside of mainstream society.
Kudos to The Telegraph for holding this interview and publishing it. I hope others will follow suit. Would be good to see real journalism making a comeback.
capitalism requires infinite population growth and an eternal servant class. capitalism is evil because of those two facts.
It would indeed be good to see real journalism making a comeback, unfortunately this isn't it.
100%
What is then? Please enlighten us oh wise one.
@@alanhat5252because it listens to a different opinion?
Some interesting arguments for a more balanced approach to climate changes, which I, as a concerned but sceptical environmentalist, feel... Then he talked about how bad secularism is. The most significant way for us to live together with all different cultures and beliefs is ONLY under a true secular society (which is most of Europe) to be tolerant of all. It made me wonder about his other ideas. Otherwise, a worthwhile contribution.
Maybe don't have the mic setup in a way that your guest is constantly knocking it and causing audio booms
Thank you....I thought I was the only one who noticed
A very even handed treatment of the climate issue. Very interesting interview. BTW, if all I had was audio I would swear I was listening to a somewhat younger Victor Davis Hanson.
yeah, sounds simalar.
Shellenberger works for the Breakthrough Institute, a fossil-fuel-funded thinktank.
@@DBGE001: Nice bot reply.
@@carn941: Nice bot reply.
@@isaiahwelch8066 Pot meet kettle.
Follow the money, that says every.
Nice to hear someone telling it TRUTHFULLY for a change. great interviewer too.
Every time that someone on the left criticizes the Left ends up saying "and it's the same on the Right", without ever binging forward any actual example.
I have solar for my home. But I wasn't forced into it. I wanted to lower my electricity bills. I rarely pay for electricity now. Almost zero dollars. I have solar motion lights. But right now, I refuse to buy EVs. I would rather buy a hybrid than an all EV vehicle. EVs are too expensive, has low range, takes a long time to recharge, poor range in cold weather, fire issues, safety concerns, etc.
What occurred out of the industrial revolution when most peoples' mode of transport was the horse. Perhaps, the most-significant was personal transport which was a form of freedom. The powers-that-be want to suppress this. EVs are part of this, as they are not practical for longer journeys.
I have a solar based plan where the power company now owes me more than $3K. But I'm not naive about it. That money comes from government subsidies pushed by the free market hating left, not the actual power produced which is minuscule.
I chose to buy the whole system, not lease it. I got some money back after taxes.@@fjockey1
both solar and EV batteries use forever chemicals which are dangerous to life on earth, require a lot of mining and are very polluting...
@@geoffas unelected and unregulated powers....
Michael Shellenberger and Matt Taibi are the brightest lights in our current global fight for truth and rational thought in our society. they deserve much more credit and support from the media and society in general.
joke ? ?
@@DANCEGARAGEPUNK only to the ignorant and brainwashed.
Shellenberger works for the Breakthrough Institute, a fossil-fuel-funded thinktank.
@@DBGE001 So, ?? Doesn’t make his work any less truthful.
@@DBGE001co-founded and then left 9years ago
Why does ever state allow the spraying 100s of millions of tons of dry ice (co2 ) and aluminum oxide, barium, carbon black in our sky's in the name of climate modification programs. RCW 70A.10.190
Carbon is necessary for plant growth and life as a whole. Carbon is also renewable.
Before my retirement I had been acting as professor of economics. I can only subscribe everything that has been said here. I hope that not before too long, we will call the present era of suicidal collective madness just another dark age.
Bullshit ! : )
pats @@DANCEGARAGEPUNK onna head
Shellenberger works for the Breakthrough Institute, a fossil-fuel-funded thinktank.
@@carn941: Key word...."think", not a "feel" tank.
Economics is the real dark age.
I remember when we were told that "the climate would become chaotic and the world would be irreparably damaged" in the 1980's. We're still here. Also, the protest went a bit wrong with the fools that glued their hands to the floor in the VW dealership when the staff went home. All they accomplished was being laughed at and sitting in a dark, cold, lonely room all night.
I remember we were told that all oil reserves will be exhausted by 2020.
@@annademidchik631 I remember when we were told gas was going to run out at the turn of the century. (told in the 1970s) and here we are. Ask anyone who is about 60-70 years old about the gas lines in 1972-73.
I remember when they told us we needed to start using plastic bags and stop using paper bags to help save the environment. Now we are clogging everything up with micro plastics.
@@jeremycrisp4488 Yep Save the trees we were told.
In the 70s we were warned of a coming ice age.
Most common sense I have heard in a long time. Great interview .
Similar to "Logistic Regression Logistic regression is a simple and more efficient method for binary and linear classification problems. *It is a classification model, which is very easy to realize and achieves very good performance with linearly separable classes.* *It is an extensively employed algorithm for classification in industry.*
There are no solutions, there are only trade offs - Thomas Sowell
PLEASE SEE MY COMMENTARY
There are possible solutions, that are unlikely to get the needed support.
@@davegreene8588Economists talk of the point of diminishing returns. There is a point where each succeeding ton of CO2 costs geometrically more to remove than the previous ton. It is correct to say there is no solution if the solution is net zero.
No solution is needed because there's no "climate emergency"
Sowell is correct as always.
He's right on the money about how these people frame things with labels to shut down the debate. Climate deniers, Islamophobia, are both examples of this device.
It is a relief to hear a conversation in which reasonableness is the tone and not drama and fear-mongering. We need more people like this in today's (purposefully) polarized world My 2 cents from Belgium.
yes journalists like shellenberger are good at sounding reasonable. i prefer to get my science from scientists myself.
@@rvdb8876 sure, that's good information. it shows, like data from elsewhere in the world, that there was a glacial minimum around 2000 years ago, and glaciers gradually grew (with ups and downs) to a maximum around 1860. since then there has been a sudden retreat of glaciers worldwide, where all the advances of the last thousand years have disappeared. the evidence shows the glacial advance was caused mostly by volcanic activity and a period of low solar activity. so what happened to all these glaciers since 1860?
@@eeeaten The last glacial period did not end 2,000 years ago, but about 11,500 years ago, the beginning of the Holocene, the current interglacial. But this study covers a period of the last 3,500 years, which "exactly" shows that 2,000 years ago it was so warm (Roman Climate optimum) that there were virtually no glaciers in the Alps. 1859 was the maximum in those 3,500 years, which was reached by the scientifically known Little Ice Age, from which the climate has been recovering (gradually warming) since 1859 to the level before the Little Ice Age, about 600 years ago.
Humans are great at fixing problems not mitigating issues in the first place.
lol we're not "great at fixing problems". Human beings are mostly idiots who have failed to fix any fundamental problem in history, except by blind luck and accident.
To be fair, there are big bucks to be had with climatism, including redistribution of wealth as a "cure" for social inequality. Climatism is an excellent means to shame rich countries to pay reparations to poor countries, even though climate change has nothing to do with their poverty.
Carbon Dioxide does not drive climate full stop. It does make plants, like crops, grow faster and better.
He is spot on here ---> 36:32 I live in Sweden and Greta Thunberg is one of the reasons sweden dismantled the unique Nucleare infrastructure with power in abundance. Greta rather sat on the street than go to school encouraged by Left-wing political leaders, and with the Media advocated to shut down the Powerplants and put penalty taxes on Nuclear Power while funding windmills and sun-panels in a country where its as coldest when its no wind and or no sun. They also used the utterly dum argument of Fukushima despite Sweden have no Earthquakes and Tzunamis are an impossible scenario. Germany went the same way, and both countries are burning coal to maintain the energy. Great work Greta!
I’m 57, in elementary on up ( yearly seventy’s through 80’s) we were told that California would be under water in by our 20’s
It was all just a redirect to appeal to peoples emotions, its a fakery. To distract from the blatant human rights violations and evil they are setting up
that's one of Al Gores's claims in his groundbreaking documentary. The one where none of his predictions were correct.
Tell lies, sell fear, steal money, gain power. That's always the way. That's better edited.
I’m only 5 yrs younger. (Australian). We were told we wouldn’t see adulthood due to nuclear destruction. It is not an understatement to say that this severely deformed my outlook over my lifetime. It was formative.
I am 52. When I was a little boy, the oil would be gone in 50 years any moment now I guess. just a little longer. any second now, we will have run out of oil. Oh no! the climate change will have killed all of us in 50 years!
Greta is also a David vs Goliath figure. Archetypes are a very effective way to get around people’s rational minds. To be clear, this is not about who Greta actually is, but how she is being presented.
I'm sure she was "focus grouped" by the Hollywood types
Partly true : ) She is up against ` Big Corporate $$$s ` who finance the telegraph & Schellenburger as well as fox, sky & utube influencers ! !
Greta is wrong.
@@Zeonoid I agree.
What? She's invited to Davos every year and is a wEf puppet. SHES Goliath.
Always so good to her Steven Edgington. He asks such intelligent informed questions.
It's such a relief to listen to an intelligent discussion on this subject rather than the normal emotional and deceitful rants that the media loves to report.
Love Michael’s measured approach to climate change! No hair on fire reaction to changes in the earth’s climate, but a level headed look at the real science. Impressed by his faith-based understanding of the religion of climate change and its failure to meet man’s spiritual needs and replacing that with fear in order to bring people under the control of a few.
Shellenberger works for the Breakthrough Institute, a fossil-fuel-funded thinktank.
@@DBGE001 OIL IS NOT A FOSSIL FUEL Conventional wisdom had it for a long time that oil and gas was formed from the remains of plants and animals buried millions of years ago. Now we know that oil and gas can be formed abiotically through subterranean heat and pressure, and that the Earth contains a virtually endless supply - oil is the new ‘renewable’ energy.
@@paulrudgley1682 shhhh the zealots will not listen to actual science. 😉
I agree with your view on this interview.
@@mountbara Actual science dictates that the abiotical oil formation (oil origin) theory that this guy mentioned is unsuccussful in proving itself, and for now (for almost 100 years) is just a theory. Guberman S., Izvekova M., Holin A., Hurgin Y., Solving geophysical problems by mean of pattern recognition algorithm, Doklady of the Acad. of Sciens. of USSR 154 (5), (1964). Gelfand, I.M., et al. Pattern recognition applied to earthquake epicenters in California. Phys. Earth and Planet. Inter., 1976, 11: 227-283. Guberman, Shelia (2008). Unorthodox Geology and Geophysics: Oil, Ores and Earthquakes. Milano: Polimetrica. ISBN 9788876991356. Rantsman E, Glasko M (2004) Morphostructural knots-the sites of extreme natural events. Media-Press, Moscow.
Fear makes money,simple as that.Based on what was told to us in the 1980's the ice age should of frozen us all.Now we are going to get to hot and burn in a hell on earth scenario.Repeat lies till they stick and capitalize on ignorance😢
Leonard Nimoy , In Search of. I remember it well , one of the last things he said was that the consensus among climate scientists is that we are entering or may have already entered the next ice age.
As a barely secret agenda hidden in bills to fight "inflation," huge wads of cash are being shifted around to offshore wind scams, hydrogen, and other fads. The public needs to learn a bit of physics and engineering because "faith based" is costing them billions.
Go google the ice age claim. It was a small reference that was put forward if the was a rapid thawing of the green iceshelf that would shut down the gulf stream. Thus collapsing heating of the north latitudes resulting in a new ice age. Then google for the Exxon Mobil predicted temperature rise that matches the last 5 decades of recorded temperature rise. It was done by their own sciencist they then buried the results back in the 1970s.
Look at all of the predictions on climate etc over the last 50 years...all crap..none came to pass.
@@pablolowenstein1371besides the hottest year on record every year? Your wilful ignorance is only matched by your lazy desire for cheap and easy instant gratification.
This is the type of videos that should go viral
this guy is brilliant
"greenhouse gases" are named this way for a good reason: they are actually widely used in greenhouse industry to BOOST the growth of plants... higher CO2 lvl is a blessing for the green mass of our planet
Stupidity
..Yes greenhouses work up to 1200ppm CO2, to double production and as we get more green matter, it sequesters more carbon
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@@geofflewis8599 I have a Ph.D in plant biochemistry and yes more CO2 is good for plants, if it's effects were just confined to increased photosynthesis. But sadly it warms the earth, creates changes in sea level and ocean currents, and that affects rainfall which ends up with mass extinctions. Google Permian-Triassic extinction to see what usually happens when CO2 levels on our planet rapidly change.
@neildear ..we are in an 'interglacial', there have been about 22 glacial periods in the past 2.6 million years. At the coldest period of the most recent Glacial period, @ 16,000 years ago, sea levels globally were @130m lower than they are today..Climate changes..
My brother got a call from his teenage daughter at school. She said, "Dad I am so disgusted, listen to this," and she held up the phone. The sound was her group of friends wailing to the devistation of climate change.
Vague and childish
Wait - was she disgusted by her friends behavior or was she partaking in the display of foolish teenage arrogance?
@@kayjay7585,my brother raised her to think. She was disgusted.
Shellenberger works for the Breakthrough Institute, a fossil-fuel-funded thinktank.
@@carn941 thanks for that info!
Hmmmm. An extreme guest with a very calm demeanor and voice. In my opinion, buyer beware!
Having taken the red pill, amazing how clear the world becomes.
CO2…is the gas of life and the sun is the driving force of the earths temperature rise,which is always followed by the rising amount of CO2.
it's greening the planet.... but the anti-human propaganda doesn't like the life
Blaspheming apostate!
Yes. T (ony) Heller, among others, have documented this clear and obvious fact with e.g. temperature and CO2 figures obtained from ice core samples covering hundreds of thousands of years of Earth's history. Obviously this data has been largely scrubbed from the 'net, and anyone who even questions why the official temperature graphs keep getting altered is labelled as a 'climate denier'. It's a cult.
Correct
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It’s important to tell extreme’s, in order to create fear. Creating fear in the population allows the UN or government to take control of the population. A middle ground on climate does not create fear, and is useless if your goal is to take control of, in this case, the world…thru the UN’s policies of Net Zero!
Thats why everything is labelled crisis.
Bingo.
And the UN wants to send money to poor countries, instead of birth control. That takes cash.
What does this control-by-fear actually control? I'm guessing it has something to do with your 'freedom'... right?
@@ernestofalso6003*Yes, ultimately will be freedom!* ~(But all works as a package implemented from every flank including world "health", agriculture and food supply chain, population control, fuels, which deepen the dollar devaluation, etc. The control of those areas eventually results in people control just in time when A.I. kicked in.
Saying that 99% of scientist believe X is not science. Its a way of trying to avoid a scientific discussion.
Scientific consensus is actually a part of science. I recommend looking up “what is science”.
Halfway through and this guy has provided no counterfactual to the climate science, both modeled and observed. Just a lot of "they" and generalizations, but nothing concrete. Maybe it gets better in the second half...... 🤔
Yea, no it is just more of the same. Ugh
As a teen in the '70's, I read P. Erhlich's Population Bomb, Carlson's Silent Spring, and more from this philosophy. Hippies and rock stars telling me my parents and their world was the problem. This set me up for a doomsday view of future. I believed this bull......Now in 2020's do I realize how stupidly wrong I was.
I didn't read any of those. BUT I remember hearing how stupid our parents were and DESPISED anyone who said that. I had respect for my parents. Oddly enough they are saying the same again.
Amen there's a lot more people need to realize what BS were being fed natural gas even Clean Coal but nuclear why don't they do that there is no pollution with it
This notion that more humans is always better, is crazy. Every other species can overpopulate and destroy its habitat and experience famine - except humans. We have adapted to optimize for us, but at the cost of damaging the environment. Luckily urbanization and feminism will soon reverse the trend of human population growth and bring those numbers down without activism. And yes population decline means slow or no gdp growth, anathema for capitalism, but before that happens AI will replace about 50% of professions and social systems rarely survive more than 30% unemployment. Let's hope the AI's do a better job of it than we did.
The ironic thing is the constant crying wolf will blind us if the wolf finally arrives.
@@zimpoooooo The wolf already is here. They've cried wolf one too many times.
A normal informative fact driven honest discussion. God i miss these.
Precisely. Why do the majority seem to be okay believing without verifying? There is a reason the people pushing this will not allow a public debate between govt promoters of this nonsense and a group of the highly acclaimed experts, not reliant upon govt sponsorship to put food on the table. It should be glaring to everyone why govts around the globe are suddenly all aligned on complete censorship, control over speach and even thinking. The globalists with their mainstream media arms have successfully managed to scare people into believing them based on rediculous evidence and mostly emotional appeal.
Who cares what Greta Thunberg says. A NWO nobody!
And with no one trying to scream over anyone else to try to prevent them from being heard.
Yes normal for Corporate Elite Bullshit ! : )
@@michaelcagney2871well said
Shellenberger has a great understanding of the social and political aspects of the climate change issue. For a more scientific discourse (but in layman's terms), there is an about a 30 minute lecture on KZhead by Dr. John Christy, one of the foremost experts on global atmospheric temperature.
appeal to authority. christy's ideas have not aged well and few if any scientists agree with him.
Disagree with your first sssertion. Regarding the second, Christy is one of the few experts who aren’t getting paid in one form or another by the special interests.@@eeeaten
In the eighties we had the scare of enlarging ozone hole which no longer is an issue
Why is that?
I remember in the 70s an ice age was coming to freeze over the entire planet.
While earning a degree in Medieval Studies at Brown I learned that even as urban guilds developed, our ancestors felt that life in the countryside was a better, more honest and natural life! Country folk were closer to mankind’s lost innocence and to God. Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose…
Meanwhile in the cities-there was bubonic plague, and human waste thrown out of windows.
@@davestewart2067 it wasn't a mistaken belief back then, nor is it mistaken today regarding places like San Francisco.
capitalism requires infinite population growth and an eternal servant class. capitalism is evil because of those two facts.
And yet people fled the countryside to live in the Cities. We really have no idea how comparatively easy and free life was in the Dickensian hell holes that were the early industrial British cities. Just how hellish the countryside they chose to leave behind was boggles the mind.
There's no god, sweetie
The Climate cult really lost me when they opposed nuclear energy, genetically modified crops to feed more with less, and ignored the massive environmental impact of cobalt and lithium mining for batteries. Climate is not where their motivation lies.
Its not about providing us with clean energy
This is what's so damn hilarious. Two major factors that regulate the Earth's climate is :??? The sun, obviously, and ????.... Water Vapor. That's 98% of the pie. CO2 is a tiny portion of that 2% of the pie they're all focused on that's so stupidly negligible and irrelevant that it's insulting that this con has gone on as long as it has. Ironically with Nuclear Energy, the primary emission of Nuclear power plants that would ADD to the 98% portion of the pie would be what????...... Water Vapor. Yet this fact goes unquestioned and unnoticed. lol I find that funny, and ironic with the so-called "intellectuals". What a hoax.
That’s exactly what “Cultist” thinking is about - the fervent belief in non-provable philosophies for the aggrandisement of the speakers rather than helping the population and the environment.
The CCP literally invented the CO2/climate change paradigm. It was always about crippling the west so Marxists can take over.
Big fan of nuclear, GM crops and also realise that mining causes problems. That said, time's running out fast and battery technology is advancing
Malthus wasn't "wrong", he didn't foresee the agricultural revolution- modern fertilizers, superwheat, etc.
Mr Steven Edginton has done some really excellent and informative interviews. Apart from this enlightening conversation, I really enjoyed the one with Jordan Peterson. "Weiter so!" as we say in Germany.
Terrific interview - rational and sensible. Every member of the public should listen to this.
Most of the public have the attention span of a cabbage, so no chance.
@@brelshar4968 lol true!
It wasn’t an interview at all. There was zero pushback to any of this BS. This was a misinformation infomercial.
@@seanpatrick1243most people who think don't buy into your "climate" false religion.
@@seanpatrick1243Which parts were misinformation?
I agree that the climate movement is very extreme. However I do not agree that we have been reducing fossile fuel missions and that we have achieved progress against extreme weather events. I view extreme weather events as a problem. But I am happy to learn more.
Its a ruse to introduce a huge new and growing market sector: trading carbon credits. Its already mandatory in Europe, but still voluntary in the US.
Climate anxiety in teens and 20s is making them think they have no future, leading to destructive behaviours, lack of relationships, and declining birth rates.
Only the stupid ones 😅
I think that`s more due to selfishness, greed & lack of community support : )
@@DANCEGARAGEPUNK Nah. That is universal. Community support? Communism? That has never led to anything a rational person would want.
@@MichaelSheffield-ox8yd Community is not Communism ! - It`s Socialising with your family & neighbours, like your grandparents did LOL : ) We`re a pack animal, trying to live as loners is the cause of increasing greed, selfishness, mental illness, & suicides (
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population decline, in the West, is not seen as a problem at all. The problem is how the state, that has committed itself to providing healthcare for all and pensions for all, keeps funding such Utopian programs when those working and contributing to the Ponzi scheme are declining in numbers.
asians are taking over
I love Michael. He is so base. We need more of him.
As we run out of easy fiat finance amid huge debts and deficits, and related financial risks, something becomes obvious; this is part of the larger "climate" issue. Underlying all these issues is the lack of a financial future that has competing goals with limited resources. As financial distress increases then so will all these types of eruptions.
is there a point in there somewhere?
Just finished Michael Shellenberger's "Apocalypse Never - Why Environmental Alarmism Hurts Us All". Excellent book!
He makes sense on nuclear power and reducing "renewables" sprawl, but he's dishonest when he claims that nothing much has happened that's unprecedented, weather-wise. The extreme scale of WILDFIRES around the world can only be ignored if one takes a deliberately contrarian stand ("more tree thinning" is a joke unless all forests become like zoos). The smoke plumes are almost supernatural, as are the ground scars. Major ocean storms are hitting farther north, and so on. Shellenberger used to be a leftist and I think he's gone too far to the other side. AGW may never be fixable because a truly low fossil fuel world has never been tested. Nuclear only gives electricity and "miracle" batteries for portable power have hard physics limits due to energy density.
HE is not at all against the reality that the planet is warming ... He just chooses a less hyperbolic response to finding rational solutions to the actual problems. Bjorn Lomborg does a Triage model of what ails the planet. These guys really do make great sense.
HORSESHIT. Why is a book, paid for by the fossil fuel industry "Excellent?" Why? Why is a lie "Excellent?"
People who live on this planet know it's getting colder. Roughly since the 1930's Dust Bowl era.
Lol.....there's always one in every comment section.
That’s a special level of head in the sand😂
Give her some credit. She certainly contributed to the current political strategy of passing off marketing as science. And calling people who don't like your marketing "denialists." Works every time!
Here in rural australia it is well known that deforestation warms the ground . I dont think anyone without seing it can appreciated the amount of forest that was and is no more. So why not except a bit of global warming but reforest what we can.
I have to say that this is an excellent interview. No spin, very good questioning, and a rational discussion. This is a very important perspective that everyone should have.
I really appreciated that no one was yelling.
He's lying. Across the board. Someone selling a 'false sense of security' is not your friend. Deny and delay is the fossil Corp strategy. They're equivalent to the cigarette/ tobacco misinformation campaign, but Far more powerful
Shellenberger works for the Breakthrough Institute, a fossil-fuel-funded thinktank.
Co2 is not driving climate.
@@PhilipX2030you are a religious nut and in a cult.
Does anyone remember which day and date the word "Global Warming" became "Climate Change"?
Then climate emergency, climate catastrophe, etc.
When there had been NO Warming for 20 years.