Fastest Furnace Smelter Array I Ever Made! Super Smelter Challenge | Minecraft 1.17
Welcome to the Super Smelter Challenge! The aim is to build a furnace array to cook a double chest of stone as fast as possible. This challenge comes from Gustav Svenson, make sure to checkout his video linked below. I'll take you through my design process and show a version that was way too complicated and actually, thinking simple gave the best results. Can we beat Gustav's time of 02:21.93?
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Many people can benefit from this video by learning the thought process behind solving a problem. They don't even need to understand basic Minecraft mechanics, but it helps to relate. Break a problem into smaller components, solve each section, tie it together, test, and then come back later to see where you can simplify. I enjoy how you found even simpler solutions after taking a break and revisiting. I truly appreciate you sharing each step in your thought process!
That's programming decomposition in action right there!
Welcome to the jee advanced examination hall ;)
Dude is an engineer, not fair ground 😂😂
Thanks for watching the video, I hope you enjoyed it! I would like to add that this isn't supposed to be a practical smelter to use in your world. It does create lag due to all the items moving around. I should also say that as per the rules of the challenge, we don't need to worry about re-fuelling the furnaces. If we did, we'd need to add a fuel line. It was a lot of fun to design though!
Make it survival, enderpearl stasis chamber to get to the exit chest, survival.
Could you also use Blast Furnaces?
U should be invited in scicraft
Bro, WDL PLS
@@davidmiedema2950No fuel, not survival.
i can't tell you how many times I was at work, just doing my job, and an idea popped into my head for a problem I was having in MC
I love how you start by following the spirit of the competition but then realize there are no rules and anything is possible and completely obliterate Gustav's time. Oh my god
Dang, mighty fast! Didn’t see the player filling system coming.
maybe next time do a double chest of boxes full of stone.
@@TheMhalpern doublechest of shulkers full of stone 🤣🙈
@@SvensonGus tnt shulker unloaders incoming
@@daveguy_ doesn't work
@@TheMhalpern When using lava or fire it does
Thanks for the nuclear reactor tutorial i needed to get into a university
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Lmao
Hahahah basically, it would also work for engineering
- How many observer blocks you want in your build? - Yes
nether is empty
I thought the olympics ended a few weeks ago. Gold Medal for this one!
This man taught me how to design stuff via problem solving, salute to this guy!
That's amazing! I was wondering what the final time would be but this is absolutely insane! Well done! Now... I seem to have a smelter that could do well in this challenge.
If you were holding a different item in your hand you'd probably be able to shift+doubleclick everything in without having any issue of having to place the last stack in
Hey logic, a small detail the observers pointing into the redstone dust around 14:10 as well as the noteblocks in 15:54 don't power the droppers by QC, its the dust itself that powers it and you don't need noteblocks to update the droppers, regular blocks will do
It powers it by QC first, actually.
*Sneakily adds this to the Simply Minecraft series
I use a similar input for my storage system (breaking a chest) and its great. Simple and faster than any unloader.
Reminds me of cubicmeter’s million-items-an-hour sorting system that auto-destroys shulker boxes to unload, super fast and super insane
Perfect. I’ll make sure to remember this the next time I’m in a rush to smelt a double chest of stone!
Great video :D The production quality is insane!
Absolute Genius. I love how you thought to just break the chest and use the player to place the items in the output chest.
Wow. Just, wow! I love your lateral thinking there. Brilliant solution!
dude, your dedication is super admirable lol that was awesome. Thank you for the video
I am building one of these currently and my 64 furnace smelter now seems extremely underwhelming
I just have ilmango's 8 furnace version but it's plenty fast anyways.
Brilliant design, and amazing time! You crushed it, Logic!
This was amazing! Very good project and planning but most of all I liked how I could follow your thought process and learn. Thank you, well done!
Omg. That was amazing. You’re so brilliant and awesome Logic. Keep up the great work you do. 👍✌️
I was waiting for this, when you posted about it in Twitter. Love the video.
I would never have thought to do it this way. Amazing stuff and very entertaining!
Do blocks fall faster than they flow in water? If so, you stack this vertically instead of horizontally to make it even faster!
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Good stuff Logic ;) thorough as usual and well explained
That looked great and it was way faster then I had thought. I was guessing around 50 seconds with the item movement on the ice.
amazing as always. thanks for the video logic
Great video and the final run was so much fun to watch.
You are a mad man @logic & that’s why I love your videos. Well done!
So satisfying. Awsome contraption
Thx for the water transfering idea!
This is amazing. Also very practical! :-)
Enjoyed the thought process explanation
Wow. That was very cool. This is the video that got me to subscribe.
You are a legend Logic!
What a legend. Epic work
Wow. This is amazing!
Completely smashed it!!
congrate on this genius design.
Living up to your name, Logic. That was beautiful.
The reason for why not all the droppers fired might be because that setup also poweres the dropper from the neighbouring furnace line and when that happens at the exact wrong moment, it doesn' drop out the item
Incredibly awesome! 🏆
This is lower latency than my 5.4K smelter, worse for bulk though. Good job! Andrews, Firigion puff and I have been working on a low latency smelter with similar ideas as this. Let's see if we can beat your time! One question, how do you plan to fuel this system?
Simple, set the minecarts back up and break a double chest of coal
For the challenge, you don't need to refill the fuel, if that was a consideration I'd need to alter the design.
@@LogicalGeekBoy makes sense lol. Fueling makes smelters slightly more annoying.
@@cain_1312 that would fill the input with sticks though. The direction the hopper leads in matters. It would be nice if it didn't though, and it only accepted items depending on the compatibility.
@@Chezrlz009 That wouldn't work for items that can be used as fuel and as a smeltable item, logs and wood for instance can be used both as fuel and to smelt into charcoal. But I do agree, for items that can only be used as fuel OR as a smeltable item it'd be really useful for them to autofill the right input from the one hopper.
Well done!
Holy mackerel that thing shifts. A great example of how a simple design can be better than a highly engineered one
I can already this is gonna be lit
Logic: I may have taken this too far. Me: What. Have. You. Done. Amazing stuff as always, Logic!
Cool design! You could probably save a couple of seconds by having the chest you brake in the middle so the items don't have to travel that long and then have the output chest also in the middle.
Optimal position might not be middle but closer to the "RHS". As not all items start smelting at the same time.
A well-timed trapdoor in the water stream of the minecart loader could help with regulating the item flow so you don't get overlap.
Excellent!
This just became required viewing for all my classes required to solve a "wicked problem." Respect! LogicalGeekBoy is amazing!
What? A technical Minecraft video? This seems like it would be very confusing for people who don’t play Minecraft and don’t even know what smelting or red stone is.
Very cool! Nice thinking outside of the box. Sometimes big groups of simple machines are more elegant than small intricately designed machines, however painful it may be lol. Wouldnt a triangle of hopper minecarts be faster than a railway? Maybe less reliable though
Here's a challenge I've been fighting with for a while: Design the Ultimate Villager Slice. -It has to have a button to get rid of the villager (no, killing it in zombie form does not count) -It has to have a button to turn it into a zombie -It has to have a button to dispense weakness onto the zombified villager -It needs a villager input for new villagers -You need to be able to swap the workstations withtout releasing the villagers, obviously -Your villagers need to be able to gossip with one another (make sure no golems get spawned). -No levers. Ever. You, as the player operator, are only allowed to press buttons. So no tools or boats or anything like that either. -It has to be tilable, no more than two blocks wide (I'd say one block wide, but I can't work it out) -You need to be able to trade with the villager without having to go through a nightmare. Naturally -Bonus points if your villager isn't stuck on a minecart I know a lot of these are solved by Logic's villager slice design, but I'm trying to make it... let's say more automatic. I started with logic's design, but I'm still trying to improve on it.
You forgot the most important rule: You need to be able to trade with the villager
@@salsalo7922 I'll added for the memes xD
Nice effort... I'll beat this tonight. :-)
you are a mad man! hahaah loved it
Amazing content
This is amazing
0:22 I was waiting for something like "please help me"
Finally a smelter I can use smelt some glass!
Extremely impressive.
Bravo 👏
Without the player loading the output chest, I think the fastest possible is 10 droppers pointing in, giving 20x hopper speed (and making the chest not openable), or 50 items/sec or almost 70 seconds to load the output chest. This means your idea to use a player is necessary to get this kind of speed. I think you might be able to speed things up with hopper minecarts for the output as well, instead of water streams. You can destroy the minecarts quickly enough, but again the non-stackable carts is an issue. Maybe if you used one cart for multiple output lines? You can also load the furnaces faster with piston bolts, and maybe cut down on travel time by laying the furnaces out in 3d instead of 2d
Ameizing!
That was cool!
Very cool.
What if you use piston bolts to send the minecarts across to the end of the rows quicker? this way each minecart in each row will cross over 1 hopper every tick.(would take only 3.2 seconds for each minecart to empty out) this would save a few seconds in transportation time
8:05 you can alternate between powered rails and activator rail, looks better and helps with performance cuz no redstone
For loading into the chest, I feel like a large number of hopper minecarts would be the fastest method since you could in theory have a 1-2gt delay from the last item reaching a minecart in an optimal position to that item entering the chest.
4:12 nuts.
Just a correction logic: at 14:10 you say that the observer powers the dropper using qc, but it doesn't. For qc, the block ABOVE a dropper gets powered and if the it gets an update, the dropper gets powered. In this situation, the observer is powering the air block next to the dropper and it doesn't power because it's not actually getting powered. Also, in the spot where you used dust, I would use a solid block because dust is really laggy. Great furnace array though! Btw the really funny part is that I learnt this in your dissecting minecraft series ;)
good video, impresionante
@LogicalGeekBoy I have an idea to improve this even more, you could use nether portal tiles in front of every dropper, and have a second player on the nether side to take all those items at once and fill the chest super quick
This is cool! Would love to see a version that is survival friendly!
Add an ender pearl stasis chamber and it should be survival friendly.
@@TheRealWormbo Imagine refueling this in survival....would be horrific xD. Need to edit the system to allow a fuel line chest for it to work while dispensing the items constantly in a compact way.
Andrews made a even huger array with more than 5000 furnaces.
Wowsers, that sounds awesome!
Epic! No chance even ilmango can beat that, gg!
would be cool to have a sticky piston and slime block, at beginning, to like launch the items after tnt blows up chest so they start up with a bit more speed, might shave off a few seconds
This supersmelter is actually super
I love the player pickup system. I can't help pondering how the challenge might've been different with the added restriction that the items need to be in the output chest without player intervention, i.e., hands-free. What would be the fastest way to do that? Off the top of my head, I'd make the observation that it just says that all the items must be in the final output chest, but not in what form. So to make the insertion of items into storage as parallel as possible, one strategy may be to put items into shulker boxes as quickly as possible, one stack per shulker box, which with the right arrangement of hoppers could be done several items at once, perhaps up to 4x. Once the stack is in the hopper, break it and have that travel to the output chest, where I think you could get up to 8x items inserted, again with very specific hopper arrangement. Some experimentation would be necessary to see if that's viable.
Alternative for no shulker boxes: Hopper minecarts can be stacked on top of each other to split the items coming to the output. Droppers can be utilized to insert items at speeds faster than regular hoppers. About 0.5 items/redstone tick. 10 Droppers on all sides of a dub chest make that go 5 items/redstone tick, so 3456 items would take 692 ticks, about 69.2 minimum theoretical time for chest only. For shulker boxes, I belive the time can be minimized as well. 5 droppers, 1 piston with hopper cart, resulting about 2.5 items/redstone tick, scale that to 54, 135 items/rs tick, that'll go minimum theoretical time 25.6 ticks or about 2.56 seconds theoretical minimum for going into shulker boxes. Add in shulker boxes going into the chest of about 10.8 ticks, taking up 1.08 seconds. Pretty viable. The theoretical time does not include breaking the shulker box and travel time though, so it's gonna be much slower.
where you were standing, place a ton of hopper minecarts, and the chest below, they'll pickup the items instantly and put them in the chest, then it doesnt rely on you moving them
Beast mode
Wow I didnt expect it to be that fast
Mumbo : makes biggest super smelter Logic : Makes a World Record Mumbo : Cries Everyone : -_-...
whats the need to split the hopper minecarts, wouldnt it be possible to directly distribute items with them stacked, then you could speed it up significantly using a piston bolt system or anything (the first system)
Great advice … not just for Minecraft
Hey mate thanks for the video, Very much beneficial for us Minecraftians out here although there one thing i like you to add though to this video i.e., HOW TO MAKE THE FURNACE ARRAY. many of us like me doesn't know much about redstone. So it may be helpful for us if you make a tutorial of it.
with the 1.19 changes, this can become a survival furnace array
This guys is legit Mumbo Jumbo's long lost cousin
I'm confused by something. He said (during the first of the video, I'm still watching) that he used 54 minecarts to unload the chest but why are they not affected by entity cramming? To my understanding an Hopper minecart is an entity too. What am I missing?
No health to lose to entity cramming. It's why 24 minecarts +1 mob kills the mob rather than breaking a cart
Carts don't take damage
Carts are entities but they don’t have a health bar
as people said, minecarts don't have health, if you as a player happened to fall in there you'd die pretty quickly, but minecarts will be fine
Thank you all for the explanation, I'm a bedrock player for the most part and I'm not so well versed with entity cramming for that reason. Now I get it
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Shave a second or so by picking up your flint&stone before completed items actually start arriving,,, and you can use it to double-click the stones into the chest... This isn't really part of the contraption though so isn't really part of the challenge imo, but man that whole array is bonkers!
instead of using water channels. use dispensers to shoot items into a nether portal and then stand in the nether in the portal and manually full the chest in the nether. hopefully thay helps 👌👌👌
he did it 👍
Me: Proud of the 32 furnace super smelter I just build w/attached bamboo farm. LGB: Pardon me while I smelt the entire world in under a minute.
Would you provide a world download so I can see how it's made?
Its like Gustav insulted your building ability and you let it fester for years and years while you planned your next move lol 😆 😂 😅 🙃 🤣
This is really cool! I reckon this could be tweaked to make it viable for survival minecraft
Main problem is the fuel input
How apropos. I’m building a new smelter array and saw some cool new ideas.
holy schit man! just wow
Waat a sentance!