Opel Ampera-e/Chevrolet Bolt 1000 km challenge
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Maybe you should add Chevy Bolt to the title of the video too. There are plenty of Bolts in the US, and their owners would have no idea that this is also their car. It will help with searches and view count.
Hey Bjorn, the 65536 is 2 to the power of 16, likely means that the app is reading some 0 or max or default or wrong value and displays 2^16 I’m a software engineer and when we see real world value of exactly 2 to the power of something, it’s usually a programming error of protocol miscommunication
That's my car! Well, mine is a 2020. You'll have to test it again when he gets his new battery and software.
Yes. Recall replaced batteries are so much better than original. The test car has higher degradation than I would expect. Tires or software limited battery capacity could also play a factor. 1000km (621 miles) in my Bolt with recall replaced battery would probably go an hour faster than Bjorn's test. that's driving in Midwest USA with much fewer charging opportunities.
Im still waiting for my recall and wondering if ill be able to trade in for an equinox ev first 2020 oasis blue lt packages 1 & 2.
The fortune cookie said "Today your luck has completely changed". Tur in Swedish means luck. Interesting to see how the old EV's holds up after longer time.
@David M Technically yes, but I have never heard or seen "Tur" used for trip in Swedish, not saying it doesn't happen but "resa" is the normal thing to use for that.
@@MrErebusDarkness when in the public transport business, “tur” as in planned trip of a vehicle is basically the only word we use. But overall I guess it’s out of fashion for other use cases nowadays.
I’m astonished by the nice charging curve on the Kempower chargers.. I hope more providers implement something like this
Yes, and it is so neat that you can scan the QR code and bring the charging screen with you. I am a nerd and enjoyed the videos by Bjørn about the Kempower chargers, the modular setup, the backend software, etc. It is just amazing - and I haven't even got an EV yet 😂
The newer MY20+ Chevy Bolt now can charge up to 55 kW, and the recalled battery packs now has 66 kWh battery pack which gives it better range. It isn't a Model 3, Mach-E, Polestar 2 or Ioniq 5 rival, but in North America the Bolt and Leaf are some of the least expensive EV you can buy new. Not a good roadtrip car, but as a commuter that uses Level 2 charging this is a great value.
Even though I drive a Tesla now, I really liked the first edition IONIQ 28kWh. I drove that car for 1.5 Years. It was charging at 68kW, for 28kWh very fast. And back then I was able to profit from free fast chargers. But these days, free fast chargers have become rare.
This is a funny coincidence. I recently got a 2022 Chevy Bolt EV for review and was able to do another 1000 km test myself. For the life of me, I still can't figure out how you get the efficiency that low; the only thing I can think of that's different with the Ampera-E is the tires. The 2020 Chevy Bolt EV I tested did 1000 km in 11 hours 45 minutes, and while GM did screw up the charging parameters since, my test in the 2022 Chevy Bolt EV appears to validate my initial test in the 2020.
I was wondering what you'd think of this test. From watching your road trips, Bjorn's experience just seems so inefficient and slow. It makes no sense.
@@anthonyc8499 Yes. I don't know what is causing such a significant difference in outcomes. The only thing I can think is that by not letting the car do a cooling cycle using energy from the DCFC (charging for another 10% to 15% after the taper point), the car is using extra energy conditioning the battery while driving. The baseline efficiency between the Ampera-E and Bolt EV does appear to be off by about 10%, and given how much less efficient my 2017 Bolt EV is with its current Continental Pure Contact tires (technically LRR), I can see how the different tires that the Ampera-E uses in Europe (Michelin Primacy) could be responsible for that ~10% efficiency difference. However, on these 70+ mph freeway runs, my efficiency is typically around 3.4 mi/kWh. That's nearly 50% better efficiency than what Bjorn was observing in the Ampera-E. Even when I did a parallel drive with Bjorn and friends at 75 mph, my Bolt EV ended up having roughly the same efficiency as a Tesla Model 3 AWD on non-aero wheels.
Identical to my '17 Bolt which I miss but I went through with the buyback right after the battery was replaced since we no longer needed a second car. Hopefully it went to a good home since it is one of the very few longer range less expensive BEVs in the US. I never used it for long range and $12 a month for refueling can't be beat for local driving.
After 4 years of experience with an Ampera-e I guess you have chosen a speed which is too high for long distance. As far as my experience goes the Ampera-e gets very inefficient at speeds above 120 km/h. On our holiday trips I did not go over 120 km/h and had charging stops every 200 to 220 km with 80% SoC. The average consumption was 20 to 22 kWh. The max charging speed is 60 kW theoretically (400V * 150A). In fact you can achieve 56 kW between 10% and 40% SoC. Around 45% charging drops to 125 A, around 55% to 100A and around 65% it drops to 60 to 70 A. So charging to 80% is not the best charging strategy with this car but good for stops every 2 to 2 1/2 hours. I guess you can make a 1000 km trip in around 12 1/2 hours if you take these numbers into consideration.
Speed limits were 110 and 120 km/h most of the route.
@@bjornnyland Well, at least at 22:37 I caught you with 130 km/h, 28 kW consumption and and average of 25.6 kWh ;-) As your overall average is at 26.2 kWh I thought maybe you went slightly over the speed limit most of the time. 25+ kWh per 100 km is a value I only know from winter trips with heating set to 22C.
Most of the roads I travel are maximum 100 km/h, and I see as low as 14.3 kWh/ 100 km on longer trips.
@@davidbutt406 Three years ago I made a trip of 560 km to Dresden in Germany. On my way to Dresden I set cruise control to 100 km/h and on my way back to 120 km/h. Result was two charging stops on each way, around 3 kWh per 100 km more on the way back, but 7 hours instead of 8. Depending on distance between charging stations it makes a notable time difference if you travel a little bit faster, especially if the number of charging stops does not make any difference and the charging speed for the last needed kWhs for travelling at a higher speed is not too slow.
highlight for me was the Polish entrepreneur guy you interviewed on his way to Gdansk,
Sold my ampera-e after 3,5 years right before the battery recall issue(got lucky). Good car in many ways, except crappy charging and buggy software. Range also suffers badly from higher speeds 😏 model 3 LR since then, no regrets 😄
Bjørn, this Volvo must have been sitting on some kind of pneumatic suspension / airride. Guy from 18:33 actually blocked broken (covered) stall, so he took one spot, but he "utilitilises" another broken.
Well done! This must be a test of endurance😉
As always, great video. Btw, Tesla is finally setting up shop in Thailand. My Thai friends showed me the official business registration
The Ampera-e maxes out at 150A charge current. So power will increase with SOC. To achieve 55KW that would be near 50% SOC and before battery cooling comes on. The Ampere-e doesn't charge fast. But it's battery has pretty limited degradation.
But the car throttles before 50 % SoC. Max charging power is about 52 kW.
@@bjornnyland I think that might be due to the age of the battery and internal resistance.
@@erikstephens34 The Bolt EV is a bit counterintuitive because it's actually faster to charge to 60-70% each time because the Bolt EV will draw extra energy for battery conditioning after the peak rate starts to taper. I have videos of the Bolt EV drawing close to 50 kW from the charger at close to 60% battery. And because the Bolt EV's battery conditioning while unplugged is so stingy, if you don't let it cool during the DCFC session and flog it to the next charger, the peak charging rate will start to throttle before 50% SOC, as Bjorn noted.
@@bjornnyland You have misser the info that all the Ampera-e˚s are getting the new 66kw/h battery. So it will get a new battery hopefully later this year. Norfolk on when for my car yet. My close to 90K km car has 57,5 kw/h usable still. And you would probably have gotten a much better time if you had stayed below 110kmh.
@@newscoulomb3705 Thanks Eric, got to remember this nugget. I'm almost always charging to 57% regardless, especially since Pennsy EA charging with the $4 plan is like $.12/minute, super reasonable.
Regards from crazy guy from Poland 😉
btw, where is Pawel?
@@bro.100 who is Pawel?
@@eautapl Paweł is a legend of this channel, bro. you must catch up! look up for racing vids as well as with some model S and Porshs. cheers
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I’m not sure if this Ampera-E has had any of the software updates related to the battery fires, but the first software update changed the charging curve to throttle earlier and cool the battery at a lower temperature. I tested it on my old Bolt and even though it seems like it charges a lot slower, it only makes a couple minutes difference. The replacement batteries (or 2020+ vehicles) charge a bit better but it’s still slow. Also, the Bolt/Ampera-E displays the power going into the battery, not the power coming from the charger. So, if the battery conditioning or interior heating/cooling is running, it will show a lower number on the car display than what the charger is putting out.
65535 is the largest number represented in a 16-bit integer, almost certainly an erroneous reading.
I can't wait to see @News Coulomb comments on this.
Yay finally seeing you making a video with Chevy Bolt EV / Opel Ampera-e. General motors will be replacing my 2020 Bolt with Bolt EUV. Still same original electric motor and 65kWh battery pack.
I have a 2020 Ampera-E! I can pull 58 kWh out of it with the ‘old’ battery. Great with this 150k+ km battery: you will get a new one with 66 kWh 🎉! And Tesla charging is also my best experience with 54 kW top speed.
Really nice video, with a lot of useful information for owners of Opel Ampera e and Chevrolet Bolt! Thanks for sharing! 🔌⚡🚘
This is a rebadged bolt and its a good used buy since all of them are getting new batteries for free.
Maybe for less than $10k sure... They're far from worth that from low to mid 20's they're being sold for. 🤣
@@samusaran7317 well with a new battery its not that bad, rather this with a new battery then leaf with a degraded battery. Every ev is overpriced these days
Are you sure? Batteries are being replaced on Bolts, but Opel is no longer owned by GM, and Stellantis has no particular interest is supporting Ampera owners.
Bjørn, the car is beeping at you because your headlights are on when you open the door. It’s a common thing in the United States and maybe Canada which is most likely why it’s happening in that vehicle as well. Hopefully this makes sense!
Maybe the Ampera is different than the Bolt EV we get in the USA... But based on what I have seen on News Coulumbs channel... the Bolt does best if you pull in at 1-5% state of charge... It will pop up to max rate even from 0%... so your better off to only charge as much as needed for the next closest charger rather than skip them... and go a longer distance and charge to a higher percentage. BTW He mentioned this video recently... he is going to do a 1000km run in Bjorn fashion.. be interesting to see the differences. He has 241,000 KM on his Bolt EV.. still on the original battery. LOTS and LOTS of DC fast charging on his car too.
My US Bolt with recall replaced battery can easily do 90 miles or 145 km on 50% charge. Granted the new packs are 10% larger than the original. This car must have decent degradation, software limited battery capacity, or less efficient tires
This car has low degradation, not limited battery capacity and Michelin e.Primacy efficient tires.
How did you get carscanner working? I have a Bolt EV And dunno how to do it :s
Wasn't that car subject to the LG battery replacement?
These cars now in Norway at least are finally starting to appear with their replacement battery. The prices seems to not increase even though they have new batteries with warranty. So I might be looking into getting one of these. Of course I would love to have a brand new EV with mega batteries, but Im on a budget.
If you can charge at home it's a very good every day car. The biggest drawback, as shown here, is long distance trips.
Do you use easypark in Norway? We can start most chargers with that here. Should be around 5.5kr SEK / kWh.
Thanks for the tip.
You still do 1000Km challenge with a newborn baby ! it why you look so tired :-) . Your wife may need you, first year with a baby is magic but exhausting . I'm sure that all your folowers, like me (since the begining), would not bother if you just do 90km/120km test and others video but not so long 1000Km one :-)
Wifey's sister is here to help.
Yeah, this tracks with my experience. It's a great everyday car, but long distance isn't the best.
1:21 DCC Power Out is some wrong data. 65535 it is exactly 2¹⁶ -1 so the maximum value of some specific numbers in a programming language
Yes, sensor maxed out. It means the DC-charger available Power Output was over 65 kW. On a 50kW charger sensor would probably show 50 kW (chargers are often software-limited, so this internal value can be higher even on 50kW charger).
I managed to drive the car 530 km in 2017 with an average of 1, 25 kWh. The average speed was around 70-80 km/h.
Was that OnlyFans?
@@bjornnyland hahah, it was probaby NOfans :DD But impresive result tho.
Near me these sell for 50% more second hand than Golf-e, does that seem fair? Is it worth it?
Do you know if this car had the battery pack changed?
Original battery
& no recall yet?
@@teslaw-model3 It problaly is but the recal program goes slow because of parts restrictions. The importer said all of them will have been replaced by end of 2023
Been waiting for this!!! I’m looking to buy a Bolt EUV in the US and love your testing. I hope the slightly bigger and better battery will also charge faster than this one (even if it’s only a little bit) because the range and tech is great for the price
Yeah, I have a '21 Bolt and you will see better charging than this car unless it's below 40 deg F outside. Above that I'm at 50-53 kw up to about 57-58%, then it tapers to about 40-45 @ 60%, 35ish @ 65% ie a pretty aggressive taper after 60%. If you trip it and charge only to 60-65% you could see 12 or so hours to cover 622 miles.
It doesn’t. Still old tech. Just get the Kia with faster charging
You’re so fuckin cool, Bjorn. Thanks for all your work!
How many kms with full battery driving around City?
You should try Lilla Laxen next time you are at that stop in Kungsbacka! Really good! Nomnomnnom! :)
I see the Bolt is charging with it's headlights on? I have a 2020 Bolt and charge with all devices OFF 😀. Sometimes I see over 52KW Charge, 77⁰ Fahrenheit👍
In Europe, Auto setting on headlights will turn on headlights. It's for safety. I think US don't have that on.
Wonder how this does with the replacement battery.
Same charging speed, but battery capacity is increased by 10%.
Cool guy from poland.
you can safely say ampera e / bolt is just kona beta version developed by lg. same charging characteristics, same recall.
I like the charging port in the front. Way better than on the back.
So I guess this car hasn't had the battery swap yet, do you know how the charging and range will be effected with the new batteries?
Range will go up about 10%, charging stay the same at lowly 53kw using a HPC, starting from 50% it drop slowly....
Given the slow charging in the Bolt/Ampera-e wouldn't it be better to drive slowly (~90km/h) to maximize kw/km efficiency, to minimize the number of charging stops?
Nope. Watch this one: kzhead.info/sun/psyDfauvqoGXmK8/bejne.html&ab_channel=Bj%C3%B8rnNyland
Aren’t all Ampera-E’s getting the battery pack replacement? Was this on the original pack or replacement pack?
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You're stubbjørn :) This car is the case when you drive faster if you drive slower ;)
Incorrect. Even if it charges slow, it still pays off to go fast.
@@bjornnyland well, you measured 208 wh/km at 120km/h and ~245 wh/km at 130km/h, with 51kw charge it makes 75min for 100km loop at 130km/h and 74.5m at 120km/h (not counting more frequent charges). I've the access to the car to confirm that values are consistent (depending on environment). The break point for long distance is rather 110-115 km/h, going beyond is just a waste of energy with marginal gain (minutes over 10hours) :/
208 Wh/km at 120 km/h was at 20°C. You can't compare that with 245 Wh/km at 130 km/h in a different day. It's more likely that the consumption at 130 km/h would be around 230 Wh/km in 20°C. For a 70 km stretch, the time to drive at 120 km/h is 35 minutes. The time to charge is 19.5 minutes. Total 54.5 minutes. For a 70 km stretch, the time to drive at 130 km/h is 32.3 minutes. The time to charge is 20 minutes. Total time is 52.3 minutes. For a 1000 km stretch, we will save at least 20 minutes. Did you know that if you drive 1000 km at average 110 km/h, you need to spend 9.1 hours. Whereas if you drive at 130 km/h, the time is only 7.7 hours. The difference is 1.4 hours. If you charge at 50 kW, that's 70 kWh extra or you can spend 70 Wh/km extra. The increase in consumption from 110 km/h to 130 km/h is less than 70 Wh/km. I hope this clarifys things. Seems like you're the stubborn guy here who refuses to understand how stuff works...
Watch this one to understand more: kzhead.info/sun/psyDfauvqoGXmK8/bejne.html&ab_channel=Bj%C3%B8rnNyland
@@bjornnyland Thanks Bjørn, I appreciate the time you spent on me. Don't worry, your NotOnlyFans are not stupid :). Sure I can't compare values for diff cars with diff tires in diff days, temperature and even country. Hwys in Fr are 130km/h, some days we pulled up to whole 270 comparing to 220-ish at ~115, + higher energy hops push you to charge at 41 and 27kw stretching stops even more. In practice we never managed to win a lot at 130km/h. Still thanks for the commitment 👍🏻👍🏻
oh, what does such a Leaf cost in Norway? in Germany they have become 2000€ more expensive
i want chop chop too
Yes :-) bring that used nice EVs to Poland :-)
Why use the 150kW to start instead of the 50kW?
50 kW is limited to 125 A. If you check out the charging sessions, you will see that the Ampera-e pulls 145 A max. That's why.
@@bjornnyland makes sense, but were you low enough to do over 125A at the start?
Did you not watch the video yet? 4:57 11:13 17:36 23:50 27:08 28:21 34:46 36:32
@@bjornnyland Bolt / Ampera-E charging is silly. Thank you for the time stamps.
14:27 She sure had some chop chop 9 months ago 😜
99 kph is the most efficient.
btw people are trying to get details about the dacia spring? its pretty shit... and its coming in with a lot of issues from the factory... not much of a surprise there it is assembled in china... and it seems that in coldish weather... meaning under 10 degrees C... the "fast" 27 kwh charging drops to 10kwh... so yeah
Not available in Norway.
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The battery or the BMS must be substantially different on the Opel Ampera-e compared to the Chevy Bolt EV in the US. With 50% of the battery, you should at least be getting 185 km (115 miles) and with 80% battery you should get just under 300 km (185 miles). It seemed like your distance between charging stops was no more than 130-150 km (80-95 miles) and you were using about 60% of the battery (~5% to 65% or 70%). The battery capacity in the US Bolt EV was a nominal 60 kWh, it seems the Ampera-e model had slightly less around 55-57 kWh when new. On your next 1000 km challenge video, it would be really nice if you could temporarily connect your phone to show Android Auto on the big screen so we can see your route and next stop. This video, I felt like we were just riding along blind - not knowing where you were at or how far you had gone.
Unfortunately the approach chosen by Bjorn wasn’t the right one. Bolt EV is 5 years old, when 100 kW+ DCFC stations weren’t available. He should have driven it @ 115 km/h (8.7 hours) speed and stop every 160-170 km to charge from 5 to 55% SOC (5 stops of about 35-40 mins charge). If he would have done that, he would have finished the challenge in about 12 hours, not 13h50.
Incorrect. Your math is off. 115 km/h will consume about 220 Wh/km on that day. 10-55 % charging takes 33 minutes. But you can *not* go 160-170 km on that charge. You can only go 108 km. One easy way to calculate how long it will take: 1000 km / 115 km/h = 8.7 hours of driving But you can't drive 115 km/h all the way. There are some 60, 70 and 80 zones also. So driving time is more likley about 9 hours. 220 kWh - 47 kWh = 173 kWh charging needed 173 kWh / 42.5 kW = 4.1 h of charging Add 20 minutes of detour, handshake, etc and you get 13 hours and 26 minutes. This is best case if my calculations are correct. It seems like the Ampera-e rapidgated and wasted 4-6 kW on cooling (which is just crazy high). So when I mentioned 33 minutes for 10-55 %, that's only for best case. In most cases, charging will take longer. Even if you drive slower, the time will *not* be 12 hours. It will be more like 13.5-14 hours.
@@bjornnyland if you drive lower speed, the efficiency is better, so the 108 km become in fact 130 maybe 150 km. I have my Bolt EV since 2018 and in -20 C I still am able to drive 150 km at 100 km/h speed using 80% SOC. If you tell me you can’t drive more than 108 km on +11 C temps on 50% charge if you drove it at 115 km/h, something is wrong with your car. I drove 170 km at 110 km/h at -10 C on 65% SOC. The battery is 60 kWh on the Bolt you tested. Let’s assume a degradation of around 7% this means you have to deal with about 55.8 kWh. The Bolt EV at 70 mph (113 km/h) is doing 3.4 mi/kWh (18.2 kWh/100 km). Let’s take the 18.5 kWh/100 km @ 110 km/h that ABRP uses. This means your fist leg based on the temperature and wind you had, should have been 51.3 kWh (55.8 - 7%) at 20.7 kWh/100 km = 248 km driving at 110 km/h. Then you have the other 1000 - 248 km = 752 km to deal with. Considering 130 km legs, this means you need to add based on ABRP number, 25 kWh at each stop which equals to about 30 mins of charging. 752 / 130 = 5 stops for charging 30 mins = 2.5 h So, based on 110 km/h you would have driven the 1000 km in 9 h + 2.5 h = 11.5 h Which is even better than my first assumption. And this is the reality. Driving a Bolt EV like you drive a Tesla isn’t gonna make it. Bolt EV is one of the most efficient cars at 65 mph cars, only Tesla and Ioniq (old one) beats it (It’s not me who says it, check ABRP). And the charging speed is great (for a 5 years old technology) between 5-55% SOC. So, if you want to showcase how poor the Bolt EV is, you do just what you did. If you want to showcase what a Bolt EV can do, repeat the test my way.
@@bjornnyland this is NewsCoulomb doing the same test in the same conditions of temperature (38F tp 52F) and doing the 1000 km (621.4 miles) challenge in 11h53. kzhead.info/sun/lbGPgtFwjKh-nas/bejne.html Speeds were 70-80 mph. 13h50 mins is far away from the reality of the Bolt EV owners.
@@voldar70 His car was brand new with very low odometer. I also saw that he charged way faster than the car I used. If I had his car, I would probably also do it in 12 hours. But remember that during my drive, 30 % of the road was wet. So my run was already the fastest possible given the age of the car/battery and the weather conditions.
@@bjornnyland 4-6 kW on cooling sounds more like heating. Are you sure you turned off AC while charging? Turning on the car to read the numbers would result in heating the car at an outside temperature of 13C.
Now i know who you remind me of, Mr. Bean.
Why didn’t Chevy sell this as the Bolt? i wonder why it’s Opel in Europe
Because Opel is a better known brand in Europe so it's easier just to sell it that way .
They did sell this as the bolt??
@@iAmInsaine22 Bolt is for the us market, chevy pulled out of europe years ago. This is the bolt with opel badge and european ccs 2, i think there was a vauxhall version to for the british market.
@@danielstefanovic2604 my comment was meant as sarcasm as I don’t understand OP asking why Chevy didn’t sell it in US.
They did sell the bolt in Norway. not sure if they did in the rest of europe. but 99% were amperas and only 1% were bolts. and they were mostly sold in Oslo as there was one or two stores in all of norway. some chevy bolts were imported from the states when the ampera first came out because of the huge waiting list for the ampera
Thats an Opel?! Looks like a Chevy Bolt.
Hmm, Opel and GM have a long history.
Both are actually Daihatsu
@@vidznstuff1 Daewoo.
The Chevy Bolt was sold as Opel Ampera-e in Europe with just a few minor changes. They were made in the same factory in the US.
this looks like a budget car
That’s my car but with the Chevy badge and new battery. Yeah the car is obsolete
Bjorn used "the shit" to mean the worst. Sadly the English language is a total dog's dinner, so "shitest" means the worst "the shit" means the best. A bit like if it's "bollocks" it's terrible, but if it's the "dogs bollocks" it's the best.
And yet Chevrolet is LEADING the ELECTRIC REVOLUTION . Electric fires maybe
bmw is better as well