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'Quiet on Set' by Investigation Discovery
Just wanted to clarify a little mental typo - towards the end of the video I say "Brian Robbins" when I meant "Brian Peck." It's just one of those slips I didn't notice until after it was posted! I wish I had more time to review this for the one or two flubbs like that, but for now my sincere apologies to Brian Robbins for not catching this.
Bro Brian Robbins 'bout to get PISSED
Thank ya for the video.
You ought to pin this m8
Is there a meaning to the ending segment with you going into that building?
@@AlienIOIandroktone😂
Spending time explaining the storylines of Head of the Class for no apparent reason to then later demonstrate how he copied those storylines in all his own shows was genius.
He’s not just a pervert, he’s a thief.
I know, I was getting frustrated like “I don’t need to know all this” then the punchline came and it made my jaw drop lol
That's some good writing
@@Attmaybad writers copy, good writers steal
guys I don't think it was plagiarism these are just common sitcom tropes. "kid group takes a trip to win a competition" is a trope. I'm sure the actual episodes were very different
Brad Pitt being on a sitcom with Dan Shneider was not on my bingo card
You'd be surprised at how many big name actors got there start as jobbing actors. Watch any cop show, you'll see several pre-fame faces.
surreal
Watch 21 Jump Street. The show not the movies. Brad Pitt had an episode with Johnny Depp
Brad Pitt made a lot of random appearances in sitcoms during the late 80s and early 90s. It's almost a fun little game.
Not Brad Pitt but Christian Bale played a lead role in an old Disney musical called the Newsies He’s a Disney child star.
Hearing Dan say that women can’t be funny is just so insane to me I could die. He’s a sitcom guy. Who is responsible for basically creating the template that most sitcoms still follow? A woman! Yes, I’m talking about Lucille Ball.
Exactly!
Not really contradicting him there.
Sounds like being in denial to me.
the "28....... that DONT have a weird foot thing" was an AMAZING way to tell us that information
And technically all 109 iCarly episodes have foot stuff in them 🤮
And technically all 109 iCarly episodes have foot stuff in them 🤮
My jaw dropped
Yeah tbh I thought he was gonna say "that do" my man gave me a mental flashbang with the _dont_
109 countries!
Brian Peck, as a registered sex offender of CSA, getting a job on ‘the suite life of Zack and Cody’ disgusts me in ways I can’t put into words.
I don't know, if it's true, but Disney fired him when they found out about his past. But the problem is, that he already worked on three episodes. Why couldn't they just look more into people they hire?
Apparently, he also played the voice of London Tipton’s mirror…
@@natagu5794yeah there’s only two real possibilities here. 1. They didn’t do their due diligence and hired him before a complete background check, which is neglectful at best. 2. They did do the background check and just hoped that no one would give them flak for it, but someone found out and “brought it to their attention”. Which would be horrific. I could see the actress of the mom finding out and raising hell about it considering how often she protected the kids on set.
what about the short 16 month sentence???
@@SunBeeSmokedFrom the documentary it seems like a lot of people didn't know the true horror of what Brian had done. Plus he was so well liked by everyone in the industry that it must have drowned out the bad stuff. Hence why Drake was so afraid to say anything at first.
Dan Schneider is a symptom, not the illness, and you might be the first person I've seen point that out.
Bump 💥
More like a virus, constantly mutating to infect other hosts on & on until it’s treated.
I like to call this "chronic anti-systemic thinking",where people take what's clearly a problem caused by faults in our economic, social or justice systems, and - as Quinton points out - they choose a blatantly evil scapegoat to push all of their negative feelings about that system onto. It's a very conservative way of thinking. Not politically (although that does show, too), but it's a way for us to justify or ignore the material conditions that allow people like Schneider to do what they did. In this case, it's partially because it's uncomfortable to face just how incestuous and abusive the entertainment industry is. A similar "fall guy" is Epstein. We all know he was an awful guy, but the way he's talked about, it's almost treated like all abuse radiates out from him somehow and that if he weren't "taken out" he would've ended it all with his testimony, smoehow. The truth is, these are patterns of malignant behaviour that the system excuses or looks the other way on. It's not one guy, it's a history of men in positions of social and economic power abusing those with less. He's just such a comically evil guy that people can have a laugh at it and go on with their day without further insight needed.
People don’t want to admit that men are the problem
@@man4437well said
There really is a devaluation in America of any forms of child abuse that isn't sexually touching kids. Mental and emotional abuse below that level can STILL be just as devastating to a child. But a lot of the time we treat them as "walk it off" situations...
one's illegal and very easy to prove. One's not and nearly impossible to show. I do think there's a lot of autonomy kids loss after the turn from Gen X to millenial and Gen Z, and that equally stunt's a kid's ability to grow into themsevles, as they are robbed of valuable socizliation aspects and worldy views in order to minmax towards a harvard application or tunnel vision them into thinking there's only 3 types of viable careers. And that's another form of emotional abuse that is seen as accatable, "they just wanted their kid to succeed". No, you wanted them to live out your financial dreams and took everything from them. But that is a very hot take that would be shouted down in today's time. helicopter parenting was a huge mistake and stranger danger enabled it.
Let's be real, people don't even take sexual abuse as seriously as they'd like to think they do. You ask anyone if they think pedophilia is bad and they'll absolutely say yes, but mention their favorite artist or celebrity or friend or family member and the excuses start. Or the claims that the child was lying. In all areas people do not tend to side with victims
"In America" is a really weird condition for your statement. Is it because that is the only country you are from and understand? Because I've seen this present in many places
I hear your complaint and I agree with it but I want to add that until the last 20ish years even with physical SA the children weren't protected ... and if the abuse had not occurred within 7 years your time was up to ever do anything about it 😢 ..... I am just saying that we have come far in my lifetime to at least discuss this openly... also it was not limited to Hollywood ... 8 out of 10 girls I ever discussed this with had some form of sa .... keep the discussion going and the laws improving ❤ .,, I just want to add pedophilia is a sexual orientation that can't be reformed in a prison ... they become murderers in prison and leave no witnesses in their future assaults .... # Jessica Lunsford and Cherish Periwinkle .... just two little girls from my local area murdered by a previously convicted predator..,
@@marw9541 just bc they say it happens in America doesn’t mean they are saying it doesn’t happen in other places. It is highly likely they are from america and that is the place they have the most cultural experience/exposure. Its not weird to limit smthn like that to a country or even a state/province, especially when the alternative is to assume the entire world operates in the same way as your home country/state/province/etc.
I love how the entire first act of this video is a play-by-play of how Dan Schneider plagarized an entire show
those are age old tropes
@@bilis2866it still shows he's unoriginal and it's imo, too much of a coincidence that all of these shows have similar episode plots or overall plots to previous things he's specifically worked on. it simply discredits him as the genius comedic writer that nickelodeon and others used to praise him for when all he really did was continuously recycle these ideas.
@@leilanyx_ none of these tropes are original, originality doesn't exist
I feel like reducing it to originality or plagiarism misses the point of what Quinton was really getting at... namely that Dan Schneider pulled from his own experiences in making these shows, thus they don't exist in a vaccuum.
@@kingofthegundam7974”Simpsons did it” vibes
"...I also got a lot less pretentious." This series has gone on so long that Quinton had a character arc.
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true though, have you seen the "2 AM Regrets" video in his second channel?
Man has been doing this for like 4 years now it's only natural for him to grow alongside the project
That is a understatement.
he didn't really get less pretentious. He's the same to me. Look at the fall guy segment. He spent all that time building up the nuanced difference between what he knows, damn fucking well what that title implies, and what he actually means by it, only for that difference to be really really simple and easy to understand. Nobody is gonna misinterpret that, people just already kind came to conclude that implication on their own.
Thanks for specifying that sexual abuse isn't needed for this to be bad and that severe emotional abuse is awful. I feel like a lot of people view it as a "lesser abuse" and like to project other abuses on it when it's horrid all on its own.
emotional abuse is insidious that way. we often attribute signs of it as personality flaws. we never know what someone is going through, especially what their world view was molded into. what worse is emotional abuse often accompanies physical abuse, but people tend to attribute the symptoms of the former to the latter ❤ great comment.
100%
Never mind the intense sexism he apparently just casually threw around and how unstable he was as a person, poisoning the workplace for everyone.
True, but this is also sexual abuse. It's both, and both are detrimental to the children's health. Those back- and foot massages do not go over the children's heads
“”Because such poor boundaries were in place, something *must* have happened.” But this is the wrong way to look at this. The correct logic is, “something *could* have happened, thus there should have been better boundaries.”” 👏👏👏👏
"Dan Schneider as the fall guy" is my favorite argument. It's so tempting to use one person or one group as a scapegoat for a huge set of problems. In essence it allows us to absolve ourselves of blame. "I didn't have anything to do with the bad things that happened, it was all just the evil influence and power of one person and they're gone now." But we are all capable of overlooking red flags, protecting lifelong friends even when they turn into monsters behind our backs, and giving too many people the benefit of the doubt. We could all be Dan Schneider if we don't keep our egos in check.
yeah man, I mean I kinda feel bad for the guy. It can't be easy constantly surrounded by so many hot kids
I can agree with him being like the fall guy in a way but just because he wasn't like all powerful. Higher ups should have done something and they are also responsible for not addressing his inappropriate behavior.
@@k1xntharrhar you made me laugh
@@k1xnt lmao
Because nobody would believe him as the Six Million Dollar Man!
As an CSA survivor, I applaud your efforts to not this video sensationalized and not including anything that was not verified. It shows you have a lot of respect for the topic
Agreed, though the Drake Bell stuff does not reflect the findings of the court, and I do think perhaps more research could have been done before making jokes akin to those one would make about people like Matt Gaetz.
@@rwby29 Yeah... wasn't he found innocent, but none of the headlines were updated/not a big noise was made of him being innocent, so people still see him as an awful person?
@@schmingbeefin4473 Exactly. Drake broke contact immediately upon learning the age, never once engaged in anything illegal, and plead guilty to child endangerment when confronted with the fact that he was chatting non-sexually with a minor.
@@schmingbeefin4473 it looks like poisoning the well. Once a story is out and running its hard to correct course, and why would they if it serves the need of the powers that be.
@@elleuno1165 would love to know how you think this serves "the powers"
Quinton watches the whole of iCarly, then a reboot is announced before the video is released. Quinton plans to talk about Jeanette McCurdy's life, then she writes a book before the video is released. Quinton plans to talk about Dan Schneider, then he reappears after being silent for years, before the video comes out. Quinton is either the main character or he is been having some seriously good RNG.
It’s always crazy when you get into something, and after years of silence something related to what you’re suddenly working on or interested in becomes topical/relevant again.
RNGesus works in mysterious ways.
Por que no les dos?
Quinton comes up with the name "Metaverse" before Mark Zuckerburg but is only able to upload the video after Zucc announces it
Please Quinton, make a video about me winning the lottery.
I'm from Germany and I don't know anything about Dan Schneider nor did I watch a minute of any of the shows you mentioned. I still watched the whole two hours of your video because in this day and age it is so soothing to listen to someone trying to approach something with as much common sense and appropriate proportionality as he can muster. Thank you for that.
Same.
Same, but from Poland
Same, from Croatia
Explaining the storylines of Head of the Class for no apparent reason, then later demonstrating how he copied those storylines in all his own shows was genius.
“Creator of Young Sheldon and none pizza, left beef” I’m never emotionally prepared for you casually dropping mind blowing facts like this
Just like finding out Steve from Blues Clues sung the Young Sheldon theme song.
Or that Anthony Padilla filmed the "Two bros sitting in a hot tub - five feet apart cuz theyre not gay" - Vine
@@ElizabethMidfordHatesCopsHe's also in the show itself as a nerd with a Marvel comic that Sheldon wanted
Idk why but I always assumed the person who invented none pizza with left beef was a girl.
SERIOUSLY i was like quinton PLEASE NOT NOW IM TRYING TO LISTEN TO QUINTON
Spencer is not Dan Schneider. He's Dan Schneider's sona, his self-insert, he's what Dan THINKS what he's like, Spencer is what Dan WANTS to be seen as, WANTS to be.
Nah Spencer was still bad a lot of times let's not try and ignore that
@@lokimiguel2452i heard that he was always protecting the icarly kids. he would stay on set even when he had no scenes & i keep seeing clips of him interfering with dan from hugging the girls or touching them. he definitely shouldve spoke up but he was at the same time one of the only adults on set sticking up for those minors.
@@al-nisacallaway1488 talking about the character not the actor of course
I really wonder if jerry trainor ever caught on to this
@@al-nisacallaway1488 also this sounds like fan fiction for jerry
This is the first video I've seen of yours and I'm really astounded by the great writing, the callbacks and self referential framing, and the integrity that's been able to come across. You managed to be delicate while still sarcastic and entertaining. You're the only person I've ever seen cover this topic without reading into innocuous things or intentionally spinning the narrative one way or the other. Taking the time to point out that this work environment and lack of boundaries is a problem in itself, and doesn't need to be any more sinister or sensationalized to still be unhealthy and unethical. And really appreciate that you were able to give context and explain the clips in question and why they are exploitative without actually SHOWING the clips and the exploitation. Really respect that you took the route of telling rather than showing. Especially when this discussion could be retraumatizing to the children involved. Overall just the amount of time, energy, and care that you took with discussing a really complex, intertwined set of topics. The effort really comes across, this is really impressive and well-written. Thank you so much for giving this the adequate care to be educational rather than furthering the exploitation of these employees and kids. Just so impressed, genuinely.
He’s basically a Nickelodeon historian so… yeah
we may be in a dogshit age for television, but the age of the video essay/long form media content is flourishing and at least we can take comfort in truly fantastic productions like this one with creators like Quinton who bring integrity, thought, dedication, nuance, and wit to our screens.
The idea that a CHILD is at fault for tempting or seducing a grown adult man is horrific in any case. I don’t care what those people were told. There is no world in which I am demonizing a 14-16 year old CHILD for being assaulted. Disgusting.
And to make it worst it was all ADULTS blaming a teenager for “seducing” a grown man 🤮
Read about what the world did to Amy Fisher in the '90s, if you want to feel like garbage for a while.
@@the-berries-and-cream-dudeno fr 😭 as the adult in the situation, THEY are the ones who should've removed themselves from it or taken measures to not escalate the situation, but instead they CHOSE to act on their desires and then blame the child for it because "oh, i'm/i was a responsible adult" (an excuse which became redundant the moment they laid their hands/set their eyes on the kid) so fucked up
the fact that Peck was hired by Disney to work on another children’s show after serving prison time for assaulting a child is nauseating
@@ville__Why, tho?
"It might not be illegal, but its WRONG." You've perfectly summed up everything about the Dan Schneider effect in one sentence holy shit.
@@ville__ huh?
@@ville__ who's Quinn?
@@ville__ ???
@@ville__ Miranda Sings?
@@ville__ my comment is about Dan Schneider what are you talking about
the way I see it, Spencer is how Dan sees himself, and Sicowitz is how he comes across a lot of the time
Very important point that people seem not to be sure how to properly contextualize this sort of controversy. Many people focus on their own relationship with the characters in these shows (e.g., "my childhood is ruined") rather than being able to think of child actors as real people who exist and have lives outside of the feelings of the audience. I don't think people do this out of malice but it's an extremely important thing to recognize and correct in ourselves.
When you said 28, I was like,”Wow feet were shown 28 times. That’s crazy.” Then you said “28 episodes” and I was like “oh my god are you serious??” Then you said “28 episodes that don’t show feet.” I physically stopped everything I was doing and gasped and looked at my phone. That is absolutely absurd
That was my exact reaction
I actually had the exact opposite reaction. Huh, only 28 times. That seems really low across like 13~14 seasons Oh, 28 *episodes*, that makes more sense. Yeah, that tracks.
wait which timestamp was that
1:02:27 @@spungbopscarepans
dramatic much
“I do not blame teenagers for acting like teenagers” 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 Someone finally fucking said it!
Quinton might not but I do, some teenagers are intentionally cruel, and people tend to normalize that behavior.
@@Stalloner Your childhood bully can grow up to be an introspective adult, perhaps even without ever atoning for that behavior. People don't just "normalize" it, there are factors either at home or in these environments that cause children to behave like assholes sometimes. Denying this being normal will only embitter you.
While I agree. Jamie Lynn never apologized even into adulthood and Nicole doesn’t forgive her
@@ville__ what
@ville__ this is the most obvious bait
As a young kid I remember laughing at the foot jokes, and one day I asked my mom why there were so many. After that there were episodes I was definitely banned from watching because my mom found them “too inappropriate”. I was confused then, but now I’m so thankful!
I am still confused. Feet are commonly known as being a little gross or silly. I can see why it was a meme for a show that sprouted out of 90's sentiments. The fetishization seemed to have come after the fact.
I always found it so weird, because I never liked feet so I never understood why they were showing so many feet
I had a similar experience hearing my mom say that nickelodeon was weird for all the foot stuff and that she was glad I only was interested in cartoon network.
@@VexylObbyno, foot fetishes did not FOLLOW that. even people without the fetish itself may be gratified by it because of the implications. it’s been one of the most common, well-known, and joked about fetishes for ages. the foot stuff wasn’t a mistake. and it was very unnecessary, very creepy, and very harmful.
I’m so happy I didn’t end up getting a foot fetish. Such a weird ass kink
One of the biggest issues I have a problem with this criticism of Dan Schneider is that there will many many other adults on set and at the network who allowed of this to happen. Dan just happens to be the fall guy when the main issue is Nickelodeon as a company. They're the one that allowed this toxic workplace to carry on for so long.
Yep and probably still happening today
I do wonder about the directors of those episodes.... what about them? There was literally a clip of a director telling Ariana Grande to act cute or sweet or something, I'm not sure which... so what about the adult, i think mostly male if not all, directors?
@@RooyaHussain I'm kinda shocked ariannes character on that show did not make even hate her. I hate her acting on it!
That topic was talked about extensively and was the main point of Part 7, there isn't a lack of acknowledgement of it in this criticism. It's at 1:41:04 if you would like to watch it ^^
Quiet on Set is ABSOLUTELY the industry's way of saying, "hey! we caught the bad guy! don't worry about what else is going on behind the curtain" so that they can continue to get away with the continued abuse of child actors. It's intended to make people at home feel like someone is finally taking action when that's not the case at all. I'm SO GLAD that this video exists, because it encapsulates the necessity of conversations that STILL need to be had and action that STILL needs to be taken.
The fact that everyone isn’t seeing it that way is… well, I guess not surprising
I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING!! like yes its so good that things are getting revealed especially in the terms of CSA, but its so disheartening because the industry is literally BUILT off this shit and always has been! people found a culprit, a worthy scapegoat to point fingers too and im worried that its probably going to just end there while not real changes or actions are made!
Tbh, I don't see it that way. I got "this is just the beginning", not "we got em!" The ending was really somber and had no happy ending just "we are traumatized af now". I was really surprised, actually. I was like "wait, that's it? No wrap up?" I'm glad they did that. EDIT: Apparently the show isn't over yet. So it's still too early to say. But yeah, the entire thing felt really somber and respectful to the people who talked about their experiences, and it was more like a Nickelodeon predator timeline and how the child stars and adult crew members were failed by the industry.
It’s at least still a win even if it’s just the tip of the iceberg
Yeah no, that’s not what this documentary was, while agree there’s more to come, but kids entertainment is just the tip of the iceberg, it’s the movie industry, the tv industry and the music industry, it’s Hollywood as a whole, and seeing it finally coming apart with diddy and seeing his friends leaving the country too makes me happy because every thing people like me and others who have been talking about this for years and have been told we are “crazy” q anon theorists it makes me happy to say we told you so.
Recently I've seen people commenting on Amanda Bynes tiktoks like she's not there, or is even a person. She makes a tiktok talking about the wigs she likes, and the first comment is about how Dan Schneider impregnated her at 13 and made her get an abortion. Ok, let's entertain that for a second. So, a victim of CSA, rape and forced abortion decides, after years of being away from the media, create a tiktok so she can tell people about her interests and objectives, she's talking about how she's trying again for a manicure license, and then decides to check the comments just to be BOMBARDED by triggers, EXPLICIT descriptions of what the worst things she has ever been through were like, and people speculating and theorizing about her as if she's a character and not a real person, and even demanding her to speak on it, to prove their theories, to show the aborted fetus, or something else shocking. True Crime content has truly destroyed people's capacity to respect victims. Or to respect anyone at all. Thank you for this video Quinton.
The sad thing is that she has said before that she hasn't experienced abuse on set and people won't just take her word for it, clinging to an anonymous twitter account instead. Same with people still claiming Schneider is the father of Jamie Lynn's child, despite the fact that we know who the father is.
the way people talk about amanda bynes as if she’s not there pisses me off
people really don’t give a fuck about victims of abuse and/or mentally ill people. it’s all for show, so they can _look_ like they care. as someone dealing with mental issues since I was very young I’ve always been able to see right through it and it pissed me off as a kid just as much as it does now. social media made it a whole lot worse but even before that was big there were always the family members and teachers and etc. who pitied me and talked about me behind my back, supposedly because they cared. I have to tread carefully consuming any of this stuff about child stars because although I thankfully never was one, they’re like the most clear target of this mentality and it triggers me. the fact it’s inescapable for them is so so sad.
@@NoNameHereOrThereYeah Dan from the doc didn't seem like a pedo. I think he saw Amanda as his golden ticket that he could exploit.
Amanda doesn't need that from strangers. No one does, but she's hypervisible.
I feel like you really hit the nail on the head with the question: Is our right to enjoy these fictional characters/universes unbothered *truly* more important than the real people who have been harmed because of it? I've been trying to figure out how to put that into words for a few years, and you put it so concisely and effectively. I may have to keep that one in my pocket for next time discourse comes knocking
It's sickening not only on the part of the entertainment industry but on the justice system. "You assaulted a child? You get um..... 16 months in jail and... uhh... a job with Disney." WHAT?! It just goes to show the justice system is only "hard on crime" unless the perpetrator has influence and knows some people!
Thank fuck you're normal about this and actually taking the issue seriously instead of treating it like internet drama.
Thank god. I’ve been avoiding my subscriptions all week because it’s all Dan Schneider stuff and I already know what they’re gonna say. I only and I mean ONLY exclusively clicked on Quinton’s video for the reasons you mention
@@violetsparkles5453fucking ditto, I’ve known for years about how awful it is to work in the industry as a kid let alone as an adult because I heavily wanted to be an actor since I was a kid, after plenty of research I was mortified at stories I’d hear or the treatment of child actors, I’m so happy Quinton actually presented a very thoughtful and thorough video that wasn’t just cheap and vulgar sensationalism
@@LaLloronaVT it’s not even just the entertainment industry. So much shit happens to people because shithead people are allowed to do what they want without consequence. Thankfully, it gets better… Hope you’re doing alright
@@LaLloronaVT I’m glad to see these situations talked about with the nuance they deserve
I feel the same. I saw recently its been coming up again on those shitty 'drama' channels and I didn't click on this video until I saw Quinton is the one who made it. Don't trust other channels to be...an adult about it.
the message i got from this: its not dan schneider that's the biggest problem here, its nickelodeon. the corporation that hired him, let these children be abused, and continues to hire awful people and child predators on set with children. the cycle of abuse will continue, and the fight is not over because Dan no longer works there.
Yep but sadly it's not the conversation people want to have.
It isn't just Nickelodeon, it's almost every entertainment company that has ever existed, it's the industry itself that keeps everything under wraps because they need to have creatives that produce content that will be well received at the fastest possible pace, and even just one person getting removed could cause many projects to collapse. These collapses lose the companies a lot of potential earnings, however their largest concern is that some of their stockholders may sell off shares, causing their value to drop, which may lead to more stockholders selling due to the sudden dip to prevent further loss of value until the stock is completely unable to recover and the company most likely shuts down. They fear that if the terrible things that happened are made known and punishments are made in a more frequent and timely manner that their entire companies will collapse, so they allow bad actors to get away with their abuses, which emboldens the sense of power these bad actors feel and allows for things to get worse. The companies only allow extremely underexaggerated versions of the abuse to be known after the bad actors become unprofitable, like how Henry Danger's underperformance was likely the reason Nickelodeon finally decided to let Dan go.
Quinton points out that the Disney Channel hires back Brian Peck after he's released from prison. Nickelodeon itself isn't close to being the biggest problem, it's that the structure of the system/systems we're in enables people in power to abuse and exploit without suffering the consequences. The entertainment industry is just one venue where that can happen.
you got only part of the message...watch it again
@@oliviaoob1426 yes! I came here to comment this!
This video drives home something I've been thinking for a while: Quinton is the most important media critic discussing these shows. The depth of knowledge and nuance is striking. Many people are flippant about these videos because the media they discuss is made for children, but it is that very fact that makes critiquing it so important, especially when children are harmed in its production. Quinton, I have followed your work on this series on Patreon for years. I know there were many ups and downs throughout its production. Your perseverance in completing it is admirable, and with this video as a capstone, it is truly a masterpiece of media analysis. You drew people in with the very nostalgia you then unpacked and made millions consider the shows they grew up with in a different light. Our generation needed this incredible content, and I hope with the self-reflection it inspires, we can come to deserve it too.
He has a few weird takes, but I still like his vids anyways.
I feel like there's a line in media that nobody really talks about, where something goes from edgy to fetish content. Like you said with the example of fart jokes, having a character who's gimmick is farting a lot or smells bad, is an edgy joke, but having a character who enjoys being around them specifically because of those traits, that crosses the line. That's why I think a lot of people look back at Schneider's Bakery shows, and say, "this is kinda fetish-y" it's less the amount of times feet come up, and more the amount of antagonistic characters who's defining trait is disliking feet. As if doing bad things to feet is instantly the peak of villainy that makes it weird. It's the amount of fetish content in the shows that either aren't disguised as jokes, or jokes that imply that the fetish is the normal thing that makes it really inappropriate.
It is selling sexual perversion to children and the sales pitch is coming from a member of multiple oppressor classes. All of this represents rape culture. The whole thing.
I really wish he at least had a belly fetish instead of a foot fetish. Such an abnormal kink
cool to see you're uploading shorts on this channel too now!
LOL
Ik it’s great to see Quinton make short form content
Lmaooooo
Funniest comment I'll read all year
This legitimately sent me 😂 Thank you
My biggest takeaway: Dan Schneider was permitted to act like a little boy, while his child actors were expected to behave and react like adults. I wonder what Dan Schneider's wife thinks about all this?
His wife's brain has been turned to worms by configuring low-calorie swaps for fast food for the last couple of decades. IDK to be honest. Just feel like roasting diet culture at the moment, but I feel kind of bad for her. I think I would have left him though.
@@zab416, forgive me, but I also can't help wondering what her feet are like, given Dan Schneider's er, predilections.
The joke writes itself with this one but I’ll be nice and not speculate 😅
@@zab416she gives me the vibe of the almond mom who is constantly eating keto and dieting and fasting and doing Pilates, while calling her husband her baby while stuffing him with tons a food as a way to make herself feel better because she won’t let herself eat it.. that’s probably so random but idk
Probably not the biggest takeaway that should've been taken... away....
Quinton, I watched every episode in this series in full from start to finish--not to fall asleep. Thank you for the years of work, commitment, honesty, and attention to detail that went into the making of this. This final video truly feels like the culmination of this passion project, and it was masterful. Seriously, thank you.
1:01:15 The "created by Dan Schneider" text appearing right after the line "Feel these kids' feet" could not be more perfect
Honestly, the Quiet on the Set docco succeeded in shifting my opinion on child stars from "there's a pervasive culture of child abuse in the industry, stronger, stricter safe-guards are necessary" to "burn the entire industry down". Drake Bell's father was almost comically perfect - he got his kid into acting because his kid loved old movies and old movie stars, and he heard the warnings about how some people in the industry act and stayed _extremely_ vigilant. He never let Drake out of his sight, and he correctly identified suspicious signs around Brian Peck. But it wasn't enough. The industry's culture of plausible deniability and protection of their own in-group led to Mr. Bell being shunned on-set, and eventually, infuriatingly, forced out of Drake's life. The fact that a parent went so above and beyond in what their role as a guardian of a child star _should_ be, and it _still_ wasn't enough? It's fucked, it's completely fucked.
We can burn the industry down if we start watching independent films more often, instead of the mainstream Hollywood ones.
@@x-man9473 it's not that simple. Part of why it's pervasive in children's media is the fact that children do not think about the actors' conditions and given how many children have unsupervised Internet access even still has created a giant industry of fucked up "children's content" online.
It was truly horrifying and heartbreaking watching how good Brian was a driving a wedge between Drake and his Dad. It really showed just how much of a monster he is. It was good to see at the end they were able to fix their relationship.
Master gaslighters in that part of town, they're like a hivemind or a cult.
@@x-man9473 "vote with your dollar" is not a synonym for "burn this awful system to the ground." Christ alive that is the most lukewarm "baby's first praxis" take I've ever read.
1:03:00 Quinton: “There are 28 episodes of iCarly…” Me: Oh, that’s not so bad! Only 28 episodes with feet references? Quinton: “That DO NOT feature some kind of weird foot thing.”
Literally at that moment i was like "thats it????"
Yeah. I mean, I do agree that our awareness of fetishes is probably much keener now than it was then, and imagine how adults writing kids comedy may have been even less aware of it... But it's still weird for that many jokes to involve feet. There are so many other areas of teen life you can joke about.
I think even 28 episodes involving a disguised fetish is a concerning amount
My exact line of thought also! “Oh 28 is bad, but could be a lot wor- oh no.”
@@sealsdontneedtoeat4270yeah that makes it even more shocking. 28 episodes on a kid show is bad, only 28 without is REALLY bad.
“so. are you ready for the future? because i’ll tell you one thing- …i’m not.” with static growing steadily in the background gave me genuine chills. great fuckin job on this video, mate. really glad this was my introduction to your channel
The statistic you drop at 1:02:37 was so shocking, it was a Defunctland twist level of "oh my god" (although a much more depressing context). But achieving a Defunctland level shock is a REALLY high bar. Excellent analysis, and really well thought-out.
Classic Quinton to work on this project for months only for the situation to blow up way before he could upload the video 😂
“I’m not finished yet!”
He references the doc several times in the video though, he had the info while recording at least
@@twite5462 I think what sploosh was mentioning was that Mr. Schneider finally broke his years long silence in response to the doc.
Going off of Google Trends, interest in the topic of Dan (get in the van) Schneider is currently at an all time high with the absolute peak being only a few days ago. I'd say Quinton's timing is basically as good as it gets.
Tbh he will probably get a lot more views now that everyone’s on this - but he’s expanding on it a bit more than most others can
We've officially reached the point where 2 hours of Quinton feels like 10 minutes
Oh God, you're right. I need to go watch some youtube shorts to shorten my attention span.
honestly! like i watched this video in one sitting because i was like "oh! its a short one!"
I'mma rewatch the first Icarly vid now.
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I'm so glad you're approaching this in a well-rounded way. Abusive people aren't black and white evil, they can and often do do good things and show their humanity while at the same time continuing to be abusive people and that's really important to remember because if we forget this we'll be unable to recognize it in our day-to-day lives. I'm not great at wording this but anyway, I was glad to hear your take on all this. I also agree with you that these shows are the result of everyone who worked on them and I don't think the actors/actresses involved in these shows have to feel ashamed of their characters.
"It might not be illegal, but it's wrong". Man it's good to hear you say that. I'm glad people out there still have a sense of right and wrong and don't just fall on the "well it's not illegal" bandwagon.
Worldly law is flawed, spiritual law is perfect. No matter what humans declare to be okay at a certain time, whats right and wrong will never change and we will pay the price.
"Dan Schneider will never work in TV again, unless The Daily Wire gets a really, REALLY stupid idea" Quinton don't tempt the universe like that
They're already doing that "Bluey" knockoff and it's obvious they want to do more entertainment, so you may be right that it's coming.
Some of the hosts have already capitalized on the situation to talk about it (you’d think this would be a topic they’d have covered years ago with how “concerned” they are for children) Of course they’re trying to turn “the industry is corrupt” into “the industry is corrupt AND WOKE” but regardless, we shouldn’t have to worry about them doing anything with him
Oh goddamnit, this is gonna happen now, won’t it?
@@DissertatingMedieval And Quinton has a weird talent with his timing, so... I say it has an 8 and a third chance of happening
@@SandwitchZebra Thing is the industry is in fact corrupt and woke, Dan aren't the only one i hope you know that
Realizing dan shinider wasnt even that GOOD at writing is so validating to me. People often have this idea that awful people are like absurdly "good" at their jobs, but really dan was just lucky
Lucky, like most if not all successful people.
That's almost everyone everywhere. You wind up with a bit of luck and make friends with the right people and you're a "success." The entire world is decades behind where it should be because it's all run like this.
yes! When I was a kid, I thought Abby Lee was so cruel bc she produced winners and was an amazing choreographer…naur
His writing was extremely juvenile, which makes me fearful in a sense due to his behavior he displayed on the children who worked on his sets. I found it funny when I was a kid, specifically because I was a kid. Now, I watch for nostalgia, but I find myself growing more uncomfortable by the feet scenes and s3xual innuendos that shouldn't be in a child sketch. He's a big creep and a writer only for children. He is incapable of having the intelligence to write for adults or write extremely deep critical thinking sketches. Like I said, his writing is juvenile and had he not found success with children's television, he would be somewhere destitute.
Well everyone has different tastes in media. I never liked Dan’s shows. It has a weird vibe, the humor wasn’t funny (for me), and I disliked the characters for the most part. But I can’t say that the show doesn’t have its good points, esp since Quinton also kinda sold me on its good points with his series. It’s just common that ppl will protect what audiences seem to enjoy, quality of work be damned.
Ignoring the cultural root of our issues to more easily and comfortably blame a single individual is thematic across all of our social issues. I appreciate you talking about this.
Glad you kept things tempered, because trying to take allegations to the "next level" in all instances can cheapen how abuse comes in more "acceptable" forms like pushing boundaries, emotional manipulation, and yelling. Horrible that child actors and other employees were subjected to this treatment. It also speaks to how the "high stakes" emotional demands of television and production in general can normalize shitty behaviors from those at the upper end of the power imbalance. Very thoughtful video.
seperating the art from the artist is getting really difficult when every 3 minutes in these shows you are bombarded by something that makes you go "oh thats not-"
It's almost as if people can't always separate the art from the artist bc the artist is intrinsically linked to the art. It's ok to have nostalgia for things you enjoyed as a kid. Nostalgia blinds people sometimes. But I'm someone who really can't separate art from artists. If ppl can that's great, but I can't.
@@sleepysadpoet yeah same, I've always taken "death of the author" to mean that once the thing is done, creators don't get to tell you how to feel or what to think or if what you interpret is right or not. In a lot of media classes they'll straight up tell you that it's impossible to separate art from artist because we impregnate all that we create with our worldview, as well as conscious and subconscious biases, to levels we will never be able to comprehend. Very much an "everything you've ever done and every person you've ever been has influenced you and made it into the creation of this thing in one way or another" situation
Release the Schneider cut. 🗣️
Ya i can agree
@@lenlaegrim "it's impossible to separate art from artist because we impregnate all that we create with our worldview" That's incredibly stupid because it implies that you can't take your own opinion of the work. For as long as people can interpret a piece of media separately from how the author intended, then it is very possible to separate them.
The way my jaw dropped when he unveiled the wash rinse and repeat of the plot lines and characters.
In retrospect it makes a bit of sense when you realize Dan’s history in the industry and something about how there’s nothing new under the sun, but the sitcom as a story telling tool is only as creative as a writer’s imagination can be And dan’s isnt that extensive all things considered
@@remiliascarletmybeloved he is a hack as a writer, a cad as a person, and perfectly adequate as an actor. He is the weakest link in *Good Burger* and the sequel was to keep that story going without him. Even the clips of him in the 1980s are difficult to laugh at knowing what kind of a person he is. In the abstract, they might be OK, nothing special, aiming for a little bit higher than they reach like a lot of the shows of this nature, but this is just too big to ignore. He deserved the Roseanne treatment more than Roseanne did!
This is the first report I've seen that actually zooms out on the industry as a whole rather than placing all the blame on one man. Thank you for doing this. Children aren't suddenly safe on sets because one man was fired/a couple "bad eggs" got cut loose. I don't wish more has happened, but assuming more has happened, I hope it keeps coming out. Nick, Disney etc need so many allegations and people coming forward that they literally cannot do anything but shut down or start over.
Dan Schneider abused Shirley Temple, Dan Schneider forced Judy Garland to take and subsequently be addicted to pills, Dan Schneider kicked Bobby Driscoll out of disney when he was no longer "useful" to them Thank-you for this video, the conversation about the inherent toxicity of the entertainment industry is one that, while has been had before, needs to be louder and ongoing.
I don't remember Quinton mentioning this. Where did you hear about this?
@@iamthemouse4483 mentioning what? the other child actors? I was just bringing up other actors that have been victims of the entertainment industry, and adding onto Quintons point that focusing on schneider and not the wider spread issue is a narrow perspective
@@wilderulz The thing about him forcing Judy Garland to take pills.
Judy Garland died in 1969. The f are you talking about? He forced her to take drugs while he was 3 years old?😂 Stop spreading such misinformation. Americans are dumb enough to think this is true.
@@calistafalcontail LOL dude! I was making a point about how the abuse present in the entertainment industry has been rampant long before Dan Schneider, adding to Quintons point that he's being used as a reductive fall guy to disguise a much larger issue. The fact you took it at face value speaks volumes about your ability to understand nuance omf (Also I'm not even American 😂)
It’s also one of my biggest pet peeves that every internet detective has gone “pedophile crazy” where they think it is their sole job to locate pedophiles and out them. Children can be abused WITHOUT sexual abuse, and that is STILL BAD!!! These “pedophile hunters” constantly spread misinformation and devalue any abuse that isn’t direct sexual contact.
The entire Alexa Nicholas “eat predators” thing is absolutely what you’re talking about. It’s insaneeee
This reminds me of the whole mamamax situation where he turned out to be a huge fraud and never got a single pedo arrested
@@ItBeThatWaySometimesAnd used to disparage or even dismiss the abuse she experienced.
@@iatecielssoulsorrysebastian ..what? wait explain, i really looked up to mamamax (but have since fallen out on his content)
victoria justice and others on zoey 101 were 13-14 kissing 18-22 year olds on scene that is proof of sexual misconduct and assault of minors that was happening on set.
"hm, why is he telling me of that old 80s sitcom?" ... "OH NO!" "oh no no no no..." ... "oh n- oh hey brad pitt!"
for me was like: "hm, why is he telling me of that old 80s sitcom?" "hey is that john travolta?" ... "OH NO!" "oh no no no no..." ... "oh n- oh hey brat pitt!"
@@GOLDHAJIKVONGOLADidn't even notice john Travolta 😂
@@GOLDHAJIKVONGOLA For me it was that, followed by: "Wait, is that Ke Huy Quan?"
Throw in KE HUY QUAN????? as well
It was a screamer when Dan appeared
I love the genius of Quinton starting off with Head of the Class, which seems like an unusual tangent for a video that would eventually get to iCarly and Amanda show... and in his own description of Mr. Moore, says his stories begin with a "tangent that seems totally meaningless at first, before eventually revealing it to be an essential part of understanding a lesson or piece of the wider story.." the foreshadowing is amazing.
I happened on this video because it was in my recomms and I had heard vaguely about the happenings with Nickeloden. And I stayed for two hours because this was geniunely one of the most captivating video essays I've watched in one sitting. It was incredibly well made and nuanced in a way I truly hope to reach in my own writing. I'm gonna start the trio series in my free time
Welcome! You will find yourself enjoying everything that lead up to this.
The last part is such a breath of fresh air THANK YOU!!! The fact that everyone is celebrating that Dan got “caught” is why children still get abused. It’s never ONE PERSON ITS A SYSTEM. Did yall not listen to Jennette?? Were Amanda’s cries for help about her abusive parents the ramblings of a maniac?! We’re never EVER gonna have that conversation though because it’s easier when things are black and white. I will NEVER forget this quote someone said because it shows that yall didn’t care, you just wanted your suspicions proven. “HE is the leader. HE hired these men. The cast was HIS to protect. The buck starts and stops with Dan.“
And even after everything they put on him was BRIAN PECK’s doing (namely the general CSA accusations), they’re still acting like it was him. Not that he didn’t do anything wrong, but he wasn’t the perpetrator of THOSE things
Yes! People need to realize that after being released from prison, Brian Peck was not rehired by Schneider. He was hired by Disney. This is not a Dan Schneider thing, not even a Nickelodeon thing. This is an industry problem. They do not care about the well-being of their actors so long as they make money. Disgusting
Yes, none of these problems started with him and it definitely didn't end with him. The fact he got away with emotional abuse, breaking child labor laws, having no boundaries, being extremely sexist, etc. for so long is the bigger issue. Because it could just as well have been someone different. Because the problem is a systemic one, if someone gets away with so much, that means that there is either not nearly enough oversight and/or some of it is encouraged or tolerated by the network. Anyone who is aware of family vlogging content knows that the same issues with child exploitation (in a variety of forms) for entertainment is at least as prevalent as it ever was.
I watch Alexa Nicholas podcast to know all the predators. The people that enable their behavior. Just heartbreaking because these children deserve to be protected. That parents were forced to be sidelined when they had concerns about the content. Or when they saw their children being abused. That they were automatically silenced, told that nothing is wrong. That their child should be grateful for getting the job. Which not only happens at Nickelodeon. Happens on any set in Hollywood. Where abuse is the norm and is not question because it has become so normalized.
@@Tessa_Gr In a way it's identical to Weinstein. What Weinstein did was abhorrent of course, but he was also backed up by a system that provided cover for him and ruined anyone who even considered speaking out, it was an open secret for a long time. I somehow doubt aspiring actresses are significantly safer in Hollywood now that he got locked up, because the system protects guy like him who help the bottom line, we don't know how many other Weinsteins there are out there.
That point at the end about not using Dan Schneider as a scapegoat for all the bad that was done to child actors is huge. Having listened to podcasts from child stars like the neds declassified one and the one by Christy Carlson Romano it's clear that there are abusers all over the industry. The power imbalance a kid has on set is huge and even when a show goes well for them they don't walk away without another part of their life being changed completely
Yes, people need to also talk about the systemic issues. The issue with Dan Schneider obviously is his actions. But it also is the fact he got to the point of acting like this, then could keep on doing this and get away with it for so long. If the system was better designed, he would have had his career ended much sooner, or maybe never set off like this.
@@Tessa_Gr Dan Schneider is such a good scapegoat for the industry, because anyone who grew up with his shows recognizes his name and face. Putting one guy's face on an issue makes it so much easier to cover the many other actors that are part of it. It's diabolical really.
The one time I think they should be using CGI and AI to replace real actors is probably for child roles. Keep children off movie sets as much as possible.
@@BonJoviBeatlesLedZepCompanies can make more money using kids because child stars are marketable and can be used to move merchandise. The industry would only stop using kids if using kids stopped making them money - if we as a society refused to financially support companies that used them. Instead we've always bought merch of kid stars for our kids. We fueled the machine.
@@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep Part of the reason I am opposed to things like a live-action ATLA or just about any property where child actors would be front and center. Is because you can just animate it and use adults. There are still systemic issues. But you can remove at least one vulnerable group from shows/movies.
Something that rarely get mentioned is that Elizabeth Gillies Married a middle, aged producer, for Victorious Whom she met when she was a teenager. he likely Had a hand in casting her
Terrifying
Probably one of the best, well articulated, most memorable videos I have ever watched on this platform. I have watched loads and loads of long thought provoking content, but this is a whole another level, you really really nailed every point on the head; You even dug your boots in the ground and challenged the mainstream thoughtline multiple times and really brought it all down, you brought this sh*t to a science. Great work and truly great ways to approach these disgusting problems in society in how we view media, treat actors, and how most of the time people turn these real life incidents into a damn spectacle while also giving us the facts and not turning this into almost some sort of fictional story which is much too common nowadays.
I'm glad you did address Drake Bell's own allegations. There's room for both Drake to be a victim as well as for those he's harmed
Hurt people, hurt people.
@@cheekyhazelnuti do t think that’s an appropriate thing here, as it shifts the blame for the Abuse Bell did onto His abuser.
@@queencyrys6309 Bell didn't actually do anything however. The girl lied about her age, after finding out her real age he immediately cut contact with the girl and ended up pleading guilty to endangerment. Nothing of substance ever happened. Yes it was reckless of him to not make sure the girl was of age when they began messaging but to call him and abuser is going a bit too far. He's someone who should have known better, but he didn't abuse anyone and took responsibility for his actions. I urge anyone to actually look up the court proceedings and the evidence and what he plead guilty to, because he did not groom the girl in question, there's nothing to substantiate that, and saying that directly contradicts the evidence There was no evidence on either his or her phone of sexual messages. There was no evidence on his or her phone of illicit pictures from either party. There was no evidence on his or her phone of him participating in any type of relationship, even a platonic one. There was significant evidence of her stalling him online and at shows. There was no evidence of Bell ever calling her "hot" or encouraging her to send photos on either his or her phone. There was no evidence supporting any of her claims. What bell pleaded guilty to was endangerment for not doing his part to ensure this girl was telling the truth. Hence the charge for endangerment. Again to call him and abuser is going far and beyond all actual evidence we have, which all supports the contrary that he never did anything to this girl whatsoever beyond exchanging friendly messages until he found out her age at which point he cut contact and blocked her while she continued to stalk him
@@cheekyhazelnut I've always preferred: make people cry, make people cry. But your's includes the ones who don't want to give you to satisfaction.
@@cheekyhazelnut In cases like this it actually takes education and effort NOT to repeat the abuse, because you've got someone who has NO idea what appropriate boundaries are. I know some kids I grew up who had trouble with touching people because they'd been told over and over that it's not sexual or inappropriate to touch people like that, it's just a normal thing that normal people do. If one victim complains it's them saying "this is uncomfortable" against all of the grownups saying "if you're uncomfortable you're overreacting and being hysterical"
I feel like the take that Spencer is basically a Dan Schneider self-insert makes more sense when you realize that's totally how Dan sees himself, he views himself as this hip, cool older figure to these child stars, the ideal older brother as some fans say, the guy that may be a bit eccentric but still cares for these kids and gets them on the path to stardom. Spencer is Dan Schneider before you take a step back and actually see what's happening behind the scenes and realize how awful of a person Dan is.
That's what I thought too, its more of a idealized self image thing rather than like a deep look into his psyche or something
Same honestly. I had such a visceral knee jerk to it but it makes sense and it's so. Sad honestly. Spencer is the Dan that he wanted everyone to see him as and instead in reality he's just hurt so many people
this comment actually reminded me of that one icarly christmas episode (forgot the title, it’s the one where carly wishes spencer was “normal”). it hits so much worse with quinton’s theory in mind: spencer does something reckless that has destructive consequences, carly is understandably angry and wants spencer to act his age, but changes her mind after seeing an alternate reality where everyone is worse off in exchange for spencer being “normal”. now it feels less like a story about carly accepting her brother for who he is and more like “dan/spencer does destructive things at the expense of the young people around him, but what can you do? we’d all be worse off if he chose to be the adult in a given situation”. (i doubt that was actually the intent, but still)
not to mention the similarities between Spencer and other character archetypes from his previous shows that Quinton points out
This is so true and because of this i think if Spencer was played by anyone besides Jerry Trainor it would not read well.
I really am surprised no one is talking about the ending with the HOTC reboot being removed. It really ties together how devastating a situation the industry is. Not only are children still being put in dangerous, emotionally exhausting, and abusive situations, but now their work and effort and struggles might not even be there for the future. There will be nothing for these kids to be remembered by, and they’ll only have their time and energy wasted when their shows inevitably get taken off these services. Things really do need to change soon.
I have to wonder if Schneider wanting to make media for adults, and not being allowed to, was part of why his shows kept getting all those "kids aren't gonna get this" elements as they went on.
Making rule # 1 "I don't wanna get sued" is a high IQ play you don't see often.
Why though? People needed to put themselves out there. Look at Cosby...
Cosby’s case is so beyond messy that I’ve actually come around to believing him. Same with Michael Jackson tbqh. The media tries their hardest to crucify people because then they’ll have headlines that’ll sell, and it makes actually investigating legitimate sexual abuse harder to do.
i lowkey disagree, i feel like way too many youtubers use the "not getting sued" excuse and it just makes me wonder how many of them are actually out there getting sued by the **non-online** people they criticize. (i know some influencers and creators are very fond of cease and desists and sham lawsuits). Obviously Quinton has a big platform and this is a popular topic so i can see why he would avoid it, but a lot of smaller KZheadrs will pull out that excuse for way less relevant topics and it just seems like they're trying to protect their monetization status by not discussing serious issues. could also just be me getting pissed when people don't reveal the juicy shit tho LMAO
@@slug_slut100% the latter
For first two replies it is simple. These are very powerful people, he even state he is only using official sources not some tommy sob rocky source that may not be actually true and finally you tried talking shit at a corporation in front of them or some celebrity see how that goes? If you are upset he wont do it. Then you go ahead do it yourself
my mom made a very interesting comment that stuck with me. she said when an animal is cast in a show or movie there’s always a third party person (besides the trainer) to make sure the animal is being treated well on set. it’s just so sad to see that the same couldn’t be/wasn’t done for child stars… very much dehumanizing them for profit.
Kids are supposed to have advocates on set for them, im not sure exactly how it works.
honestly i think it's worse for human kids to be stars then animals, cause at least animals don't become more intelligent than toddlers, and animals will never understand people touching them weird unless it hurts them oh and animals won't go on to become addicts and/or hurt more animals
they do, child actors are unionized and so are the child wranglers who are meant to look after them. but as this video discusses, even adults who are protected by a union are not immune to workplace abuse that stems from exploitation, bigotry, or both-especially when so much of this abuse took place outside of the workplace.
@romanlegion5837 yeah. In california, parents are SUPPOSED to be with their children at ALL TIMES. However, in the case of schnider, the parents were afraid of ruining their childrens careers so they sat off to the side or in a complete other room and didnt do their legal duty. It would be like...if the second for the animal actor was bribed or threatened into not saying anything about how horribly an animal was treated.
@@Spagoooterman This also requires the parents to be decent. For example Jennetes situation wouldn't have been much better if her mother had been present at all times during filming. And I think a lot of parents who let their child become a celebrity care more about success than the wellbeing of their child.
I have such respect for you for not accusing anyone who speaks positively/neutral of Dan Schneider of hiding abuse allegations. I find it so disgusting to see people thinking that they are giving victims a platform to speak by speculating on their experience instead of considering the reasons they have for keeping their silence. It could be seriously damaging whether they were or weren't abused.
1:08:37 I'm just glad they didn't shorten it to SCAT Saturday (or SCATurday for that matter) too 😅
something i took note of when watching this video was that you didn't skirt around the heavy words, didn't try to mute them out or use more algorithm-friendly alternatives or tiktok code words like so many youtubers do. you understand the weight that comes with those words. personally i think this shows an additional layer of respect with which you handled this topic, and i really appreciate your overall extremely nuanced and extremely tactful approach to this video. amazing work.
Very true
I hate when they use funny wordplay
People like, say, Alexa Nikolas, HAVE to skirt words because her platform wouldn't exist if she didn't. She is a victim, and fights for victims, and wouldn't reach the audience shes got without censoring for the algorithm though.
Now you know what Hollywood writers had to go through under the production code. To think we went from seven words you can’t say on network television to 800 words you can’t say on KZhead.
@@Emeraldrox303I think it was clear in my phrasing that I was not talking about victims, and I trust that most people who read my comment intrinsically understood that. I'm referring to KZheadrs who cover things like drama and true crime, who, even if they very likely don't _mean_ any disrespect, come across disrespectful by self-censoring (sometimes in very immature ways) for the sake of appeasing algorithm and staying monetized, essentially treating other people's trauma as their content. People who are victims and are doing this to break through the algorithm are, obviously, not in the same category.
"Showing pornography on the computers on set" is such a red flag. WTF?
its just entertainment, why is that so weird. we all watch it
@@SPACEDOUT19 we don't all watch it and regardless it's inappropriate for a work environment. Literally nsfw
@@SPACEDOUT19at work? with other people? that's creepy as fuck
@@SPACEDOUT19Because it's on set with children. Also I thought it was child porn
He worked in children's television, with CHILDREN around his workplace
Hearing Quinton talk about how other people describe his channel makes me so sad. After that I needed to come say how excited I get every time I see an upload- it’s always so clear that there’s an abundance of passion and enthusiasm for each topic no matter how minor or significant. It takes me days to watch your videos so I can give myself time to listen all the way through and process. Know there are tons of people who genuinely love your videos and appreciate all of the effort you put into making them!!
I think the perspective of both seeing Shneider's very real involvement in his own creations, and pointing out that the problem is bigger than him, and talking about it in a greyscale instead of black and white, was much needed. Thank you for all the thought you put into this video
Blind clips of Head of the Class are like a terrifying drug trip. Celebrities pop up out of nowhere, and Dan Schneider is constantly lurking and jump scaring like some sort of terrifying slasher villain.
You said this perfectly
Literally, it's so disorienting
@@Beansquishy fever dream
Seeing Brad Pitt and Dan Schneider share the same room is genuinely uncanny
@@j0sH092yes simpleton. And if you didn’t know Hitlers history you wouldn’t look at him in a bad way either…. Do you actually have a damn point?
I watched this whole video all til the end. I enjoyed this so much more than “quiet on set” feeling more expanded, raw and reel
I think maybe people NEED the sexual assault rumors to be true because that’s realistically the only way he’d get any prison time or actual punishment. It’s still not right to spread rumors and say things are true when there’s no proof though. I completely agree with and appreciate the way you presented this information, thank you for your integrity. 😊
I'm surprised people aren't talking more about that ending segment. To me, it is an undeniable fact that Dan Schneider is hardly an exception in regards to the horrible treatment of child stars in Hollywood. People like him aren't an outlier, they are a symptom of a broader problem.
Not only is he not an outlier, he's almost the expectation.
That’s kind of his whole point. Yes Dan is terrible because of what he did, but hundreds of Dans exist and the environment of those around them prevent real backlash or systemic change
@@marioex497 He’s so much the expectation that anyone who actually worked in the industry like Kayla Says and John Fountain have to fight off accusations of always being miserable or helping contribute to the problem.
He's only the exception in the sense that he's such a recognizable name and face, that's what makes him so easy to focus on
Please watch bojack horseman, everyone who agrees with this comment and is interested in this specific topic
the roundhouse kick of "the creator of young sheldon and none pizza left beef"
No literally, went from “oh okay, I know him” to “wait WHAT? BACK UP”
thank god someone else was as shook by that as i am
Quinton has a talent for speaking the truth in the perfect way that makes me want to clap and shout “amen”. His speech around 25:00 about rumours and the true crime entertainment community is one of these moments.
The Head of Class school set looks like the same school set from Boy Meets World.
"It's not illegal but it's wrong." Perfect way to describe it. No notes.
Legality v morality
@@ville__ not really
Lawful but awful
Spencer is probably a great way to see how Dan sees himself. He's the older brother that everyone loves, he yells randomly and no one dislikes him for it. Spencer is the cool kid that Dan thinks he is
in a reaching way, its similar to bojack horseman's sitcom career
and he fucks
Did Spencer ever ask for feet pics on the show, I never watched it
@@thebosicotheSpencer trataba de cuidar a los niños es lo opuesto a sneider
The best and most comprehensive video on this topic. You’re not alone in how you feel about this stuff. You pretty much articulated how I feel about this stuff in the perfect way. I wasn’t sure how this vid was gonna shake out, but it’s exceptional.
Alexa Nikolas has gone on record saying the only apology she ever got in regards to poor treatment on set was from Britney. She actually apologized to Alexa 3 times, once in a private DM, in an Instagram post, and in her memoir .
The "fall guy" is getting to me when people say things like "oh thank God I was a Disney kid". LIke??? Yeah, it's gotta be a Disney Adult to believe that Disney really protected those kids. Especially with the Brian Peck/Suite Life thing.
Disney also worked Miley Cyrus into the GROUND. The channel Deep Dive has a great series on Hannah Montana, as well as a vid on Disney Channel as a whole.
Also blames kids who were mindlessly watching TV as children do. There was no internet then (not really) and even so, how was anyone just watching a tv show going to know if they were ethically consuming media or not? Absolutely insane take for people to have to say that. Damn.
@@KetchupRocket I don't know that most people are blaming, necessarily. I think it's normal to feel relieved that you weren't unknowingly a consumer of whatever content abuses are being revealed about. It can totally have the effect of making others feel guilty if they were, but it's not intentional.
@@bekaz13 I mean yeah but I wasn’t talking about relief. I was referring to people saying “thank god I was a Disney kid instead of a Nickelodeon kid.” It may not be intentional but it insinuates blame on someone for consuming content they had no outside awareness of, especially as a child. But even still, a bizarre take seeing as Disney is no better.
@@KetchupRocket To me, "thank god I consumed other media" is an expression of relief, though. Like, "I'm glad I didn't unknowingly give money to those monsters." No one KNOWINGLY did, but "I'm glad I wasn't involved" is a reasonable feeling to express. Like I said, it can unintentionally make people feel guilty that they were, but to say it insinuates blame is reading into it a bit IMO. "They're not saying I did anything wrong" and "What they said makes me feel guilty" are two statements that can be true at the same time, is all I'm saying. And yes, we all agree that it's naiive to assume Disney wasn't just as bad.
using a slowed down piano version of Filthy Franks Dan Schneider song chorus was such a fucking power move cause that song has been stuck in my head since i finished quiet on set
you're the first person I've seen ever figure out what that is
@@QuintonReviews Ah yes, the old lore.
@@jordancantrell6598The ancient texts…
Ah fuck I must've missed it smh
Literally popped in here to mention this
Let me just tell you how much I appreciate your content, especially your honesty & your way of being direct instead of making it all harmless/ just factual or exaggerating in making it more interesting. You were pointing everything out that is important & what is important? THE GODDAMN TRUTH. Thank you.
only 20 minutes but this is a very well written and structured video. I love how everything ties together with your first example when you reveal that dan didnt need to study sit com culture because he lived it.
I really hope people don’t interpret this as “Dan wasn’t that bad, actually.”
they'd have to be stupid to
@@mothmads alot of people like to intentionally misinterpret things just to get mad. its like quinton said in the video, people are bound to clip bits and pieces just to get annoyed
this is exactly why conflating speculations to what he actually did is so dangerous. The common suggestions that he did more dastardly things than what can be factually found will undermine the actual crimes he is guilty of in comparison. So people will shrug and go, "well it could have been a LOT worse." When in fact his leadership had very real consequences on the lives of people in the industry and he should have been fired long ago. He is one of many who exploit their employees and creates the toxic environment of show business. Children were and still are sexualized. Child stars were and are being taken advantage of and abused and manipulated. Like Quinton said, making Dan the scapegoat for all of it lets people sleep easy at night thinking there is no more work to be done.
@@smartichoke I mean yeah a bit of the work is done but there's a hella of a lot more to get done and it won't be done for a long period of time
The way I see it is, "Dan was bad, but not for the reasons you think."
what’s even worse about drake bells situation is that he didn’t just tell his mother, the first person who realized something was wrong was his girlfriends MOM. so many people failed him and the rest of those kids
And the fact Drake Bells dad got gaslit about Peck not being a creep is just infuriating
no real, and his accusations were proven false. i see so many people minimizing his situation bc some stalker accused him of sexting a minor
He was convicted of it in a court of law. He pled guilty to it. Obviously what happened to him should never have been allowed to happen and the failure of proper boundaries being set and the willingness of the adults in charge to let things slide led to a pattern of concerning behavior and repeated abuse in his case as a child and that’s inexcusable and deeply sad. But he still chose to do what he did, perpetuate that abuse, and was convicted of it. Don’t be like the adults who let things slide. Don’t be like the adults that portrayed HIM as the one in the wrong and blamed the victim. People can have bad things happen to them but their choices are still their own and they are still responsible for their actions. Both things are true. Don’t blame the children who are victims because you are familiar with the adults involved, fans of their work, or sympathize with them. That said, it’s truly tragic that the only person at the time who seemed to be truly looking out for his well being was essentially ousted through manipulation and that nobody would take their concerns seriously, and that’s all too common in Hollywood when it comes to children. Often the children are punished or threatened or manipulated when the adults speaking on their behalf protest in order to protect them, and that’s just not how it should be.
@@corneliastreet2491 oh no i agree i def should NOT have happened, but there was no sexual texting between the two like in the case says- he texted a minor unknowingly and he pled guilty for still messaging them and felt awful n even said he shouldnt have messaged them in the first place
@@Prymars_ If it was in the case, why it doesn't exist or didn't happened? I honestly don't get why people are defending him, you can feel sympathy for someone who did a bad thing, they don't have to be innocent to deserve rights or to deserve to be protected, he got convicted for it, however it's important to recognize the system that made him like that so it can't happen again
"Mr Moore has a tendency to begin his lessons on tangents which seem totally meaningless at first before eventually revealing them to be an essential part of understanding a lesson or piece of the wider story." oh I SEE WOT U DID THERE
my guy so excited for this vid currently rewatching the entire "mini" series to watch it. Thank you as always for the company you have been keeping me 2 to 3 years now. lots of love
My middle daughter was offered an audition once for one of these shows and I wouldn't even allow her to go. She was so angry with me, but I couldn't remember a single child star who didn't end up trading their childhood for a job only to have their lives fall apart in adulthood.
Bless you for that, your child holding a grudge for this is a small price to pay for their safety. One day they will understand why you said no and be thankful
you are such a good parent for that. I hope she appreciates how you protected her.
When she starts to be smarter she will thank you. I always listen to my parents when it comes to them protecting me, because they have my best interests. You’re such a good wonderful parent and an amazing human. ❤
The only exception I can think of was Shirley Temple, and she became a politician as an adult.
@@devincetee5335😂😂😂 Shirley Temple was also reportedly subjected to abuse.
I remember my dad (he’s a producer) telling me a few years ago that he’s heard bad things about working for Dan Schneider through other people. What’s insane about this is that he works in neither tv or live action, which means Schneider was so bad to work with that you could hear about it from the other side of the industry.
What kind of producer exactly?
@@emberjean4230poop producer
Been that way since the 90s. Hell in the 30s, people were hiring male prostitutes that reminded them of Jackie Cooper. "Nothing changes. Cause it's all the same...!!!"
Yeah what kind of producer?
@@emberjean4230probably porn
your nuance never ceases to astound me, thanks very very much for these well reasoned takes on very sensationalized situations. much love, keep it up friend!!!
I've been watching videos about Dan Snieder all week and this one was the best by far