Don't buy the A7CR - Buy THIS instead!!
2023 ж. 4 Қыр.
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For a very limited time, Sony is offering up to $900 off (including trade-in bonus) on the A7RV - which shares the same processor and sensor of the A7CR. For the same price, you are getting way more value including dual card slots, much better EVF/LCD, and 4-axis real screen.
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All good points. But....40% lighter with A LOT of the same tech. That's not nothing.
U might want to check other reviewers before purchasing, Logic says the smaller body will heat like overheat & shut-down. Maybe, you'll be lucky and defy the odds. However, I'm not in a Vegas gambling mood. Good luck. Let us know if u get it what your verdict is after extended use. 😎😎
40% lighter? Maybe the spec you saw was without the battery. At most, it will be about 25% lighter. Still significant if that is important to you. But for me, there are simply too many compromises compared to the A7RV.
I owned both. The A7RV is hands down way better. The EVF alone is worth getting the big brother over the little sister. Needless to say, i kept the A7RV and sold the A7CR.
@@RandumbTech Definitely depends on if you want smaller and lighter or the extras on the A7RV. I am probably going to rent both to decide. And I decided to do some math on this and it made me remember why percentages can be easily confusing. So if we’re talking about percent change, the A7RV is about 40% increase in weight over the A7CR. But that means if you go the opposite way, the A7CR is about a 29% decrease in weight from the A7RV (rounding for both obviously). But the percent difference in the two weights is about 33.6%. Also for reference, the A7RV is 723g and A7CR is 515g (both with battery and memory card from Sony’s site). As a quick math check with rounding, 515 * 1.4 is a bit under 723g and 723*.71 is a bit under 515. Percent change is relative to the original value which is why percent difference might be more useful when talking about this.
Thank you so much for the helpful and informative comparison video! God bless and good luck!
Thank you! You too!
I have a bought A7RV and A7RC and use and like A7RC muc more than A7RV. Happy New Year
That's interesting. I'm guessing it has more to do with the size than anything else? As much as I do love the idea of the A7CR it has too many compromises for me, but glad you are enjoying it!
@markkuautio7831 Thanks for sharing! I’m interested to know how you shoot. Are you an amateur or a professional.? Do you use one for one purpose and the other for another? What is it about the one that you prefer that makes you want to shoot with it over the other? What kind of lenses do you use? Which one did you get first?
Is the sharpness, colour and exposure exactly the same? Noticing a big difference with that extra stop of IBIS on the RV? Thanks!
Thanks for this. I am thinking of selling my a7iv and ZvE1. To get one awesome do to all. Was thinking of the CR but the EVF is hard to use after a while. 😮
I would 100% support that decision. As good as both of those cameras are, the benefits of the 4-axis screen and gorgeous EVF alone make the upgrade worth it. Plus it's on sale right now (with trade-in) for $3k. I love the idea of the ZV-E1, but it has too many compromises, especially not being able to control exposure with 3 dials. The A7iv is still a great camera, but once you experience to the 4-axis screen, it's soooooo hard to go back. Good luck!!
What small rig base plate do you have on the a7r5? Great insight as usual!
It's the Smallrig Base Plate 3666. I think it's around $40 on Amazon. I've tried a few and that one is definitely the best.
Thanks for sharing your opinion. I'm a hybrid shooter and would like to shoot more videos in the future. Do the 8.0 stops in the A7RV show much difference in terms of video stabilization compared to the 7.0 stops in the A7CR?
I haven't used the A7CR, but I do own the A7Cii. The stabilization performance between the A7Cii and A7RV is identical in real world situations. They are both great for stills and video. For video, I leave it in "standard" stabilization and then add more in post if necessary. I've found the "active" mode only works if I'm trying to get a tripod-like shot, be even in those situations, standard is usually enough.
I'm between A7R5, A7CR and GFX100ii... Thank you for your input, very useful
Wow - that is a tough decision! The A7RV might be the goldilocks since the GFX system is so big/heavy and the A7CR is so compromised. To get the best out of the 61MP sensor, you need to use the best lenses which are traditionally larger. Those larger lenses on the A7CR makes them unwieldy. If you don't plan on using the high end glass, then perhaps the A7Cii might be a better option since it's less expensive.
@@RandumbTech Yes absolutely, for the A7R5 ⚡️GMii lenses are a must, I agree, and a special note for cinema lenses who are renown to be very very clean - special note to the [ Remus T2.0 1.5X Full Frame Anamorphic Lens and Irix Cine T3.0 (great set up for the 100ii) ] Very good for the GFX100ii 100mp sensor, as well. Those cine lens cover the entire GFX sensor which is surprisingly pleasing !
The A7cr is a high resolution compact camera! What don't you understand about that? Just like the Leica Q3 is a hot seller for $6000, so will the Sony A7cr for a lot less.
The Q3 comes with a ~$4,000 lens attached to it so there's that. I would also argue that the screen on the Q3 is better suited to photography than the flippy screen found on the A7CR. If the A7CR came with the same 4-axis screen as the A7RV and similar upgraded EVF, then it might be worth what they are asking. At $3k, I just don't see the value (especially when you can buy the A7RV for same price when on sale). Maybe I'll change my mind when I get my hands on it, but I doubt it.
@@RandumbTech People pay to have a compact full frame camera! There’s a market for these cameras and I wasn’t comparing the Sony to the Leica. The fixed 28mm 1.7 lens is no doubt an excellent lens but it’s fixed! The Sony 24mm 1.4 GM lens is also a good lens coupled with a 61 megapixel camera and you have an excellent combo. The A7CR was just released so the prices have not dropped yet as opposed to the A7RV. The good thing is that Sony gives us clear choices wether it be for video (7s line), high resolution (7r line), sports and wildlife (A9ii, A1), compact (A7C/CR) or allrounder the A7iv.
Thanks for the review
Sure thing! I did end up buying an A7Cii and it's a great complement to the A7RV.
The A7CR is incredible. It's amazing. I use it a lot and it continues to blow my mind. Pictures are just full of detail and color. BTW, unless a camera or product is known to be junk, I NEVER tell anyone what to buy or NOT to buy.
I do think the 60MP image output of the A7CR is incredible, but when the A7RV goes on sale for the same price, it's a much better value. I would argue that if you want the smaller form factor, you are better off with the A7Cii. It has higher quality video and 33MP is enough for most people. Plus you can save yourself $800!! I picked one up a few weeks ago after selling my A7iv and it's a great little camera.
Thanks for the video, finally someone in youtube telling the things as they are...
I try to be as unbiased as possible. It's actually quite easy to be when you are spending your OWN money on this stuff. A lot of YT'ers out there are getting paid big $$ to promote certain brands.
how is the high iso performance for raw files ? any significant color shifts ?
There is a quite a bit of noise at high ISO, but that's to be expected with a high MP sensor. There are no weird color shifts thankfully. I use the new Denoise function in LR and am loving the results.
This is a useful video and perhaps sensible advice for many people - thank you! (I subscribed - just 15 more to go now!). But it s not for everyone. I am planning to get the A7CR - here's why. I am not a professional photographer and don't aspire to be one: I don't do professional shoots (no need for 2 cards; if it dies, just a few pics from my phone will have to do... and I'll be sad for 10 minutes, and that's OK), I really shoot quickly and spontaneously, and significantly less than 1% of my keeper photos are shot on a tripod (meaning less need for perfect EVF or screen), but real need for high "R": and then in post, I can crop, and crop, and crop again - and "crop-compose" to my heart's content, and with this much res, I can crop down to 1/4 original "R" and still have a great result, even if I decide to print it large (not likely, although I do have a 30+ inch print on my office wall; there's only so much wall... ); finally, the biggest tipping point issue for me: A7CR is tiny and has all I want, and 85% of all I could ever want; yes, A7RV has more, and is possibly is a better $ deal, except... it's honking big and OH SO conspicuous, and having 85% of it in a slightly overpriced yet magically tiny body (that's almost as small as my ZV-E1) is all I need (well, "want"; nobody really NEEDS it, unless it's your livelihood/profession, in which case you need A7RV). So, I plan to get A7CR, and I think it's great that Sony has all these choices, and while it may be confusing, videos like yours help us think those choices through - so, thanks again! Enjoy your A7RV - it sounds like it's a perfect camera for you!
It is great that Sony gives us lots of choices. It sounds like the A7CR is a great fit for your intended use. The 61MP sensor is absolutely awesome! Thx for your thoughtful commentary - and for subscribing!
Hey honest George if u have three Grand to toss to the wind, plz throw it my direction. 😎😎
@@gbwalther3198 wait until you learn about us Lecia owners who drop nearly 10K on cameras 😉
Agree with all the points made. The A7CR is a great camera that packs loads of great tech, (61MP!, class leading auto focus, 7 stops of stabilization, 4k 30 video no crop), into a small package. As we are seeing, there are things better about the A7RV that some target audience groups can “do without”, and pay $900 less for, and feel better carrying around more often because of the size. This is a compelling product for many prosumers.
It’s a tough choice A7CR - slightly pithy viewfinder and low-res screen, but lightweight, user LUTs, the cinematic borders option thing, LIGHT and joyous to carry around. But no real mechanical shutter, unsure how it works with 3rd party flashes. 7 stops ibis with OSS lenses. A7RV - heavier bit of gear but mechanical shutter which is based if you use SONY lenses. 3rd party lenses don’t seem able to mitigate it well even with active ibis (at least that was the case on a7iv). 8(!) stops of stabilization, much better screen and viewfinder. ISO isn’t flawless, but with A7CR’s 7 stop IBIS and A7RV’s 8, in many cases you can negate that with lower shutter speeds. I think the A7CR is miraculous for carrying around all day. At the same time if you’re more of a tripod shooter, or want to experiment with more handheld artistic blur of moving subjects and without shaky framing, I think the A7RV is unbeatable at this point in time. Likely works better with flashes too. On A7iv I felt shooting stills with mechanical often gave environments depth and nuance that electronic lacked. But if not using SONY OSS lenses, the shutter shock is usually fatal! SONY RV, mechanical shutter mode + active IBIS + an OSS GM lens is one of the most pro setups out there and you will get shot literally no other camera could. Both have gyro data, so you can turn off ibis and shoot higher frame rates to get smooth footage, but I think RV’s 8 stops Active is a better choice as shooting 24fps 1/50 or 30fps 1/60 makes movement more natural than say gyro 30fps 1/120 - which looks so smooth but a little unnatural. Both great cameras, RV deserves user LUTs and framing firmware update tho SONY, get on it! I think given the lightness, the A7CR is probably the best if you never want to miss a shot. With the extra weight of the RV, the pull on your neck will probably lead you to put it in a bag more often than not. I’ve found with Fuji’s smol models and A7C, I barely felt the thing so i always had it close to hand. Also, just a little more discrete if you’re respectfully doing a bit of street photography. Also for selfie vlogging, that lightness on the A7CR is going to be pretty unbeatable, but you may have to Ninja Walk a little more than if you were using the A7RV as I think that 8th stop may be a bit of a gamechanger. Again both AMAZING hybrid cameras just with different +s and -s.
Well said! I decided to buy an A7Cii and am loving the form factor. It's quickly become my EDC. And I just picked up the 24-50 f/2.8 lens today from my local camera shop and it pairs perfectly with it. Review of that lens coming in about 30 days after I've used it for a bit...
@@RandumbTech ooh nice! Have fun! Yea I think the creative possibilities with the new framing and user LUTs thing is such a great way to make more experimental/elaborate photography more intuitive. SONY deserves all the praise for that! Annoyed they don’t seem to be adding those features to the RV tho 🤣 I feel like for the extortionate price, that camera deserves these newer minor features for sure!
So a7rv is still on sale currently. Guess it's not selling well whatsoever. Hope the price drop more next year.
It's actually selling quite well. My local camera store can't seem to keep them in stock, especially at the $3k price point. Usually Ordinary Filmaker puts out a list of most sold cameras - it will be interesting to see where it falls. I don't see the price coming down much at all next year. If you have the budget for it, grab it while it's on sale!
In my country the a7c is going down in price, the money invested must return fast. For me the old tech is just fine. Maybe in 3 years i will think about the a7r... thanks for your video.
The A7C is indeed still a great camera, but not having the front wheel on the grip is a dealbreaker for me. And those old Sony menus are a hot mess compared to the new ones. If I was on a tight budget, it's a great buy, but for me personally, I'd save up and buy the newer mark ii version.
If comparing the A7C to the A7CR or A7RV it is clear these are completely different cameras, made for different audiences, having different use cases. Appreciating that, many will see a used but Like-New original A7C in USA, going for $1200 (~$1000 off the price when it was newly released) in Jan 2024, as an attractive value. Having an A7IV, I can see adding a used A7C as a full frame, take everywhere, second camera, that has little compromises (ergonomics, EVF, some video features i.e IBIS), and being very happy.
As an update, I got my used-Like new A7C that I had been looking at for a while. I got the metallic top one, and it had a mere 60 shutter actuations, and came with the kit lens, for $1350 USD (relatively low). The value at the price was too enticing of an apple not to take a bite out of. Though I initially questioned if the size difference between it and my A7 IV would be significant, it is small enough that I am motivated to take it places I wouldn’t take my A7 IV in the week that I have had it. (Outside in snow and rain with an umbrella, and to work for lunchtime & after work shooting).
It's great having a smaller form factor for sure. The original A7C has the old menus which are difficult to go back to having used the newer menus. It's also missing a front command wheel which is a non-starter for me. I just picked up a Nikon Zf that is the best of all worlds - FF, manual controls, great in low light, and easy to adapt all of my e-mount lenses. Should have a review coming in the next few weeks so stay tuned!
@@RandumbTech That is one beautiful camera (Nikon, Zf)! All the clicky dials! 8 stops of in body stabilization. 2.1M dot EVF! This looks like quite a machine! I hear it comes in 6 different colors. What color did you get? Did you get a lens to pair it with?
Wish I had seen this video two weeks ago! Oh well, maybe Black Friday will give us Hope from the Sony Dragon again! 😎😎
It was a phenomenal deal that's why I decided to do a video about it. I hope they do discount it again in a few months so you can snag one!
@@RandumbTech Yeah, I would have loved to have gotten a chance to get even on the trade deal with the lens. I have the mickey mouse apsc macro lens which I got for my overheating monster, the Sony a6000 (when I didn't know better--years ago). Would have been so cool just to have had buyers joy-instead of remorse in shipping that super duper lens back to Japan Inc. (slow boat of course)! 😎😎
Finally, someone said it! Good on you man!!! Great review. One question... what if I don't have a lense to trade in? Is it still a good deal or a great deal with only the $400 off?
You absolutely need to trade something in because it's an additional $500 in savings. If you buy it from your local camera shop, they should be able to put something on to the receipt to show you "traded". Deal is only good until 9/10, so be sure to place your order soon! Adorama has already sold out of their stock.
Thats an insane deal!
I know! That's why I made the video to encourage others to take advantage of it. It's similar to the deal that Fuji had on the X-H1 when sales were a little slow about 4 years ago - it was $999 and included battery grip with 2 extra batteries. I sold it after using it for 3 years for just $100 less. I think this A7RV is going to be sought after for many years to come. It's such a great all around camera and the screen/EVF combo is the best I have ever used.
It is true, that the A7Rv is better in every way compared to the A7cr. And the deals (in the US), makes your logic undeniable. I don't get those deals, where I am in Europe. Secondly, I would buy the A7Rv if I were a working photographer; I am not. Shame, those deals would benefit me, as I have held on to my 2 Zeiss Batis lenses, as well as the old Sony A6100. The prices are all going northwards, and I am content to use the old stuff I have. Just look at that new A9iii. It has the same functional screen as the A7Rv, but now with the new global shutter. Aaaaand the price - phew... into the stratosphere.
Sony prices are getting out of control. My local camera store has PLENTY of A7Cii's and A7CR's in stock and he said customers do not want to pay the inflated prices. Sure, the A9iii has incredible tech, but it's Leica $$. The key is to wait until they go on sale and then pull the trigger. Hopefully, Sony will be offering some incentives soon on both the A7Cii and A7CR.
Currently the only correctly priced new Sony cameras are a6700 and FX30.
The A6700 is priced right as is the A7iv (and possibly the ZV-E1). The FX30 is priced TOO LOW in my opinion. The FX30 is a professional body with the only compromise being an APS-C sensor and no mechanical shutter. Everything else is a little high for what you get - unless you get them on mega sale like the A7RV!
@@RandumbTech A7iv is definitely overpriced by $300 (should have been between R6 and R6ii). A lot of competition in this price range.
@@RandumbTech FX30 is not underpriced. The lack of mechanical shutter is worth $150. Lack of stacked sensor sensor is $500. Lack of EVF is $150. If XH2s is priced $2500 with more photos features but less video, then $1800 is the right price for FX30.
@@frankfeng2701 They could at least include burst shooting in the FX30, if they did I'd still own that camera....but Sony gonna Sony
Sony is going to price out the very customers they gained with the A7i thru iii. Love my A7iii.
I tend to agree with you. The A7iii was an unbelievable value at the time compared to other cameras that were nowhere even close in technology at that price point. The A7iv improved on it and sold equally as well, even though it was $500 more. At this point, the competition has basically caught up and are offering less expensive options. It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out over the next couple of years.
If they release the A75 with 10fps JPEG and 6.7FPS RAW, ain't NOBODY buyin that thing for 3k. The R6 mk II is already stomping all over the A7IV in basically every single review of the bodies. I still love my A7IV but it's been a rough couple months seeing all the R6mkII stuff. I would love an A7V but they need to come out fighting with the specs this time.
Sony is going to cater more to the video crowd with the A75 release. I’m betting it will have un-cropped 4K/60 PLUS 4K/120 with a slight 1.2x crop. I wouldn’t be surprised if they do it with the same 33MP sensor too to keep photographers happy. I also expect it to have open gate recording. With those 2 features alone, they can justify the $500 price bump.
@@RandumbTech Sadly you're probably right. If that's true I'll probably get a used R5 when that time comes. It should be down in the same price range once they announce the mkII. I just can't justify the cost for Sony's high framerate cameras and Canon is dropping legitimate sports/wildlife framerates in the $1800-$2500 bracket. It's a really crappy spot to be in. I don't have enough Sony glass to really keep me anchored there.
It seems like even used cameras are selling for all the money right now too. Typically, a 2 year old camera loses at least 50% of it's value. Now, that figure is more like 25% if that. The Canon R5 is an AWESOME camera. I would have bought into Canon, but did not want to be limited with lens selection. I'm happy with my decision to move to Sony, but appreciate how good Canon is too.
Yep Sony screwed up on all those features on the a7cr it should of had the same screen as a7r5 and better viewfinder for the money than the a7c2 big mistake and they will lose alot of sales on this camera because if it .I am hoping Sony wakes up and puts these better features on the a7mk5 along with the new 44mp sensor.
My local camera store has tons of them in stock. The A7Cii is selling OK, but the R is not. No joystick, bad EVF, and flippy screen. They would have been better off with a screen like A1 since this is a photography based camera. He said people are less concerned with the single card slot and more with the features it's missing. I would not be surprised if we see it go on sale before the end of the year.
@@RandumbTech Yep they done the canon cripple hammer on this one .
I don’t think Sony screwed up. I have a solution for you…If you want the A7RV’s EVF and viewfinder pay the $1000 extra and get yourself a A7RV!😅. There are some people who are still going to buy the A7CR without the A7RV’s crazy contorting flippy screen, without the 8K, and can live with the EVF it has. I just might get one myself as soon as I can get myself $3k disposable. I already have my color all picked out, (the all black)!
@@RandumbTechI hope it goes on sale…I’d buy it If I have the money at the time. I will say, I’m way to late to the party to take advantage of the sale you mentioned that Sony was offering on the A7RV, ($1000 off with a lens trade in), but if some goofy way I could get the A7RV at the same price as the A7CR I’d likely go with the A7RV.
Can I trade in a Canon. Asking for a friend.
Not sure if the promotion is still going on, but when it is, you can absolutely trade in a Canon. I actually ended up buying an A7Cii and have been quite smitten with it. I still stand by my argument against the A7CR though - it's too expensive for what it is. If it ever goes on sale for $2,500, it would be a much better value.
No the JUMP from a7iii to a7iv $500 dollar price increase was NOT justified. Even though the a7iv had better mega pixels-33- vs 24, the later camera had and still does have serious overheating problems according to many reviews. For that reason alone, that camera does not fit pro requirements as far as I'm concerned. 😎😎
I've shot with my A7iv for extended periods in some pretty serious heat in 4K/60 and never had any issues with overheating. Perhaps it's because I was outside and there was some airflow. The A7iv is best for hybrid use, not just video. If I know I'm going to be doing lots of video, I just grab the FX3.
@@RandumbTech Yeah, the FX3 is great, but do not have one. Am hoping that the Sony a7Siv model & the FX4 will be released soon. There were rumors but like lots of Sony stuff, rumors fall by the wayside. Now that they did finally release a $25 G camera that has IBIS and Internal ND's, I have a difficult time making up my mind what to do. Ha, Ha, hope u didn't believe that last line. Am a "Starving Artist" even though I went to CalArts & a few other places years ago. Dark Ages. 😎😎
A7R5 is awesome! Still can't believe Sony put a 1M dot screen and crappy viewfinder on A7CR..I would have been in on that camera had they done so
The A7R5 really is a great camera. I'd be OK with the lower res EVF and LCD in the A7CR, but only at a lower price point. Perhaps they will go on sale like the A7RV - at that point it would be a much better value.
@@RandumbTech They could have at least put the 2M dot screen on it. Heck XS20 as 3.5M and it's 1200.00. They really cheaped out on the build and then charged maximum. A7CR as is should cost 2500-2700
つまらない指摘だ。拡張性が必要なユーザーはα7rを買う。ユーザーはバカじゃない。
ありがとう
Sucks
I don't think it sucks, but it is overpriced for what it is. Had they given us the 4-axis screen and better EVF, I would have been tempted to buy it. At the current price, there is no way I'd buy it.
No the JUMP from a7iii to a7iv $500 dollar price increase was NOT justified. Even though the a7iv had better mega pixels-33- vs 24, the later camera had and still does have serious overheating problems according to many reviews. For that reason alone, that camera does not fit pro requirements as far as I'm concerned. 😎😎
My A7iv has never shutdown due to overheating Mine recorded continuously for up 2 hrs and my battery would die before it would give me a warning
@@hellopsp180 Thanks for sharing. Looks like you're a serious gamer. Am waiting to see what Sony brings out in the near future regarding new low light cams. I live near the Arctic Circle. Like to shoot Northern Lights-Aurora.😎😎