Did I Destroy the 800NK? 600 Mile Hard Break-In Results!
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I accidently broke every single break-in rule on the CFMOTO 800NK. I took it on track, I road it in the rain, and put this bike through more in 600 miles than most bikes see in their entire lives. Now it's time do the first service on the bike and see if I destroyed it...
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00:00 - Intro
00:38 - Hard Break-In
02:43 - Oil Change
09:38 - First Service Speed Run
12:08 - Did I Destroy It?
A few people are concerned about the oil filter. I should've shown it on screen, but I didn't. Mostly because there wasn't anything to see. There was more particulate in the screens than the filter. That's my had. I made a short taking a look at it: kzhead.infoRKLPWGgsSqQ Next time I do something like this I'll show you a close up.
Put that glitter in your engine. Will help breaking it in. Unsubbed for clickbait BS.
Sorry to see you go.
@@spitescornerNever mind, I've just subscribed instead. Great content 👍
Are you shitting me? The filter is full of glittery shavings (yeah no the glitter that you put on later as some sort of attempt to an excuse), and you dump it in the pan without showing it or mentioning it after the premise of the video?
I have also subscribed and replaced his butthurt little butt
Spite blowing through the checklist exactly like I imagine my dealer does.
Exactly
pretty sure Spite was more thorough
@@pmdinaz good catch. Fixed.
He’s bought by the Chinese
Not checking for loose bolts is poor form. The main swing arm bolt is notorious for coming loose
While it is only a single data point, it is a point towards the good. Worth taking time to share.
I love that you kept in the weird things that happen while doing maintenance, it's the little things that people don't think about that end up scaring people from trying to it it themselves. Now to see how many comments are just going to be "it sucks cause china"
It sucks cuz Chyna!
@@ZundappCZ touche
Everything I have had, motorcycle related, from China has sucked.
@@loftyintentions1985 but did you have a CFMoto? China can make anything to the specs you desire, they make all the apple products to a high quality standard, it's all on the business owners. As long as it's not Government owned, it'll be fine
@@Magic_Toaster no and I'm pretty sure they weren't government owned.
Maintenance of maturity please do the needful fyi hint oil containers have the opening off set so you can pour with the opening up high. Lets the air into the container for a consistent pour.
If it's not leaking it isn't a REEEEEEEEEEEEEEAL bike.
So true
Both comments obviously come from HD riders. 😂
HD gang
Especially true for track day specials and old European bikes with "character."
If it stops leaking you need to fill it back up.
Loving the energy in this video
I like these type of videos, just feels like something that was pretty easy on you to do
Excellent review. Congratulations.
Another great video spite! I don’t even on a CF moto and don’t currently plan on owning one but enjoyed watching the service procedures
i know the maintenance on the 300nk was pretty easy as well. i like that they have a oil change kit with all the parts already together. that's super nice.
Been considering a CFMoto for my next bike but been wondering about the reliability. So thanks man.
Bout on par with ktn now lol with all their bikes having flameout and ecu issues. Good times
Watching you do this service makes me feel so much better about my first self service xD
I would think about buying one now. Thanks nice vid.
It's good to have this example since we don't have much data to go on at all. That said still too soon to tell. Thanks @Spite's Corner
Hey, Spite! How did you manage to turn off the speeding warning? I have tried disabling it but it keeps blaring after 45-50 mph. Thanks!
I think it was somewhere in the menus or I sped so much it gave up lol. I don't remember.
Hey, Spite, what boots do you wear for off road/dual sport/ADV riding? I got chonky legs. I've tried 2 different pairs of boots and neither have fit my legs. My feet fit fine but the upper closures don't close around my legs.
So I have no experience with the NK800 however I do have experience with the NK300. I work for an MSF School. We have 12 NK300's as training bikes. Of those 12 bikes in the coarse of a year of ownership, we have experienced 1 complete wire harness malfunction, 1 display failure, 1 thermostat failure, a couple leaks/gasket failure's, and almost every battery has failed. Despite the above, I still think they are pretty good bikes and wouldn't hesitate to recommend them to anyone. Again, a small sample size but this is my experience with a dozen bikes in about 12 months of ownership in Arizona with the highest mileage bike being around the 500 mile mark and the average being around 300 miles.
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Yeah, mine has a rubbish battery as well. No other issues that weren't caused by me however
The only thing id say about that experience is the MSF bikes get absolutely dumpstered with abuse from new riders
@@iamcxd9782 Based off my time there and the over 300 bikes we regularly use, clutches, levers, and front tires would be about the only items that seem to exhibit accelerated wear and use.
The msf course I went to had groms, dirt bikes, and rebels and they warned us to shut them off any time we were told to stop because otherwise the batteries would die quickly. They were all pretty beat up though including a few that wouldn't shift properly.
That's an "interesting" setup with the oil drain plugs. Service manual to the rescue! I got to throw a leg over a CFMOTO for the first time last weekend during a ride day.I got to ride the 300SR & 800MT Explore, and that 800 has a very throaty intake. They're not up to the standard set by the Japanese, but they're pretty darn close. Close enough that I seriously considered buying one, and I'm not concerned about reliability. They've been selling the 650's & smaller bikes here for over a decade & there's plenty of them that are still on the road.
He’s bought by the Chinese
Identical to my KTM 1090 from 2016(The oil filters etc) kinda annoying tbh as i've found them getting stuck.
The dual drain plug/mesh strainer is inherited from the dry sump KTM engine designs. You think that design is quirky, look up what's involved with the single cylinder KTM LC4 oil change!
@@Mancastle A good pair of circlip pliers is a necessity for KTM oil filter removal. The real annoyance is the fragile mesh screens that fall apart after a couple of oil changes, meaning you're better stumping up for an official KTM service kit instead of just getting a cheap (but perfectly good) Hi-Flo or Champion pattern jobbie.
What a sharp looking bike. If i ever move up from my Duke I may consider that one.
Did you know that it is a duke in disguise. Really research it.
The oil spill was probably from using too big of a funnel. It happened to me with my 790 Duke and once i bought a smaller funnel so air could escape out of the fill hole, i could fill it no problem. You will always have to fill twice however. I fill it till the sight glass is all the way to the top, turn on the engine for a few seconds, then fill to middle of the glass. I change the oil every 5k and it's at 40k now. The bike has a neat way to remind you to change the oil though. The quickshifter starts to feels 'gritty' telling you its time to change.
how are ur cams ? since that common problem, the made of butter and what year is ur bike ?
Hey Spite, the only recommendations I would do with any of the bikes I buy would be to grease the wheel bearing seals, spacers & axle (F&R), grease the swingarm bearings/seals, grease the headstem bearings & apply anti-seize to the chain adjuster bolt threads going into the aluminium swingarm. The main reason: All manufacturers apply FA grease to save on costs & I get to learn about dissembling and reassembling the components. A fellow American YTer has an 800MT & has replaced the swingarm bearings, seals & sleeves because of the lack of grease from the factory & because of a couple of low water crossings & gravel roads. I’d expect the 800NK to be similar.
Nothing to worry about here. You should have seen the garbage on the filter at the first oil change on our 2020 4Runner. Way more than expected. Good job CF Moto.
Just snagged my first bike, a 300nk recently and absolutely loving it. Glad to know the 800 is just as great
I have done 65,000km on my 2014 CFMoto 650nk , hard miles as well and like this one it has not missed a service or had any major issues , these are well made bikes ! Just tires , chain and front sprocket .
Why didn't you show that oil filter that looked like it had a ton of metal in it?
@spitescorner When you had to cycle the oil, did you have to close it up or just ran it with the filler cap open? How many seconds did you allow it to idle before adding more?
I closed the cap and turned it on, then immediately back off. Just enough for the oil pump to cycle. It probably would have been fine to idle, since I was off by like a 1/10th of a quart.
can you do the yamaha mt 07 vs XSR 700 to see what it the difference?
I think it is a dry sump engine, based pn having 2 oil drain plugs. Usually with dey sumps you add around 70% of oil quantity, run the engine and add rest of it.
Did you try all 3 ride modes? Mine really stutters in low gears low RPMS. I was worried if I’d make it home. I was 50 miles away. Once I got it on the highway it ran fine. I’m a lil concerned about the in/out gas flow. Doesn’t have a carb obviously so we will see at the 1000km first service this week.
What was on the oil filter - shows the care and quality of production. Very clean, very thorough.
Would cranking the bike with the throttle wide open be better to pump the oil around instead of actually starting it? On all of the bikes ive owned you can do that to crank but not start the bike. This is for non carburetor bikes. I do it after storing my bike over the winter. Helps get oil moving around and lube things up in the top end before i actually start it up.
Ive been enjoying the 450ss very much. Ibex test ride is gonna be soon!
In the 790 duke, you reset the service mileage by pressing and holding up and down at the same time while having the 'settings' menu highlighted. Check if that translated to the cfmoto as well
What about spark plugs? Do you have to dismantle half bike to get them?
How difficult is an *air filter* change? Or how hard to adjust the *valve clearnces* ?
Air filter is dirt simple. Pull the seat, 5 t20 torx screws. Cover comes off, filter lifts out. Five minutes. As far as plugs, in the ibex 800t i own, 8 screws and the plastics are off, and you can get right to the top of the head for plugs, pull a couple bolts and the tank lifts off to give you easy access. Takes about an hour to do.
I have the KTM 790-2020. I do believe they are similar (identical?) I have had no problems and assume the same with CF moto.
Oil looked clean. Screens looked good, no signs of metal shavings or foreign bodies. Can't see any issues. As far as I'm concerned, good first service.
just ignore the sparkling oil filter it will be fine.
Here you go: kzhead.infoRKLPWGgsSqQ?feature=share
break in oil change. always looks like that
@@jacksons87 no, lool.
That oil filter @ 4:30 didn't look real healthy, but you mentioned it in the pinned comment. Compression tests could have shown if the rough break-in affected the rings/cylinders getting sealed properly. Best (tested) chain lube is gear oil. It's good to see that an experienced motorcyclist/vlogger can be clumsy like myself...lol. Thanks for the video.
We need a video on if it's ok to go to the high pressure wash with a motorcycle. Will there be water ingress into the bearings or engine parts?
Spite the new 450 mt for 2024 is looking like a interesting bike. I did the 2023 cf moto test ride line up and was impressed. Looking forward to seeing this new bike.
Great music in this one, Spite!
Probably too late now, but it would have been interesting to send a sample of the old oil off for analysis. I did that recently with my Ducati Monster. It didn't show anything but it was an interesting exercise nonetheless.
Just curious as to how much that costs.
@@robertbermudez4458 it's £40. Just search for "Millers Oils analysis" and you'll find out how to do it (assuming you're in the UK).
oh no, no you do not want to do that with a chinese bike it would be a horror show. some people have, you can check out bobistheoilguy
@@robertbermudez4458 Look up Blackstone Labs (in the U.S.). $35 for an oil sample analysis for a motorcycle.
Is there footage from COTA? I can't seem to find it??
Does the NK have the ridiculously twitchy throttle of the Ibex? I test rode an Ibex and that throttle was a deal killer, it was like 1st gen FZ-09 bad.
Yes.
Just one thing i didnt really understand.Why did you blast the concrete with brake clean and oil residue with a oil catch right next to it insted of over it?
cf moto have a stigma of chinese brand but what i can tell is it doing fine. it may not performed like japanese bikes but the price is the advantage of this brand. we have a cfmoto nk400 bought wayback q1 of 2018 and aside from clutch replacements and sparkplug and normal things that wear through time, no issues so far aside from the delayed feel on the throttle that was present on the 1st day of using the bike. bike clocks at 170k km and still working fine
Does 620 miles of pain count as a decent test of this bikes reliability? I'm confident if anything was going to break it would've already.
Chaseontwowheels rode his Ibex 800 from Georgia to South Dakota for Get On ADV and rode it around there with no issues. I’m pretty sure they are decently reliable.
I was told by an engineer for a British Superbike team (his name escapes me): break in hard, race hard. They took engines straight from the crate and put them on dynos. Essentially he as saying that it'll open up as it is ready and there is no detriment.
Even the worse bikes make can make it 1000km/600mi, even double that. I would say about 5,000mi/8,000km would give a better idea.
Yeah a one day iron but without technical difficulties is definitely a sign this thing is bomb proof😂 your social credit score is definitely going up !
@@jl9161 The things that people said about Japanese cars and bikes in the 70s are the things that they say about Chinese bikes now. I will always love my Italian and British bikes first. But I have a Chinese 'Zontes' 125cc, it never gets any maintenance and rarely gets warmed up properly, and it still goes strong 10 years and 9000+ miles later.
I'm hoping they depreciate quickly so that I can get my hands on one. I like the looks and full bore KTM are so popular and ridiculously expensive even with high mileage here in Finland.
the USDM version of 800NK is crippled, in my country it came with everything above + quickshifter, steering damper, keyless access, Apple Carplay included in the dash( it's an 8 inch dash here) for the same price.
What size engine does it have and what is the price tag on the bike great job spite
800 🤓
Price 200:dollars
My KTM 790 adv R does the same thing when I put the oil in lol! On the two drain plugs theres magnets in the middle that you have to clean if theres buildup. This might be my next bike...
You can definitely tell the KTM/Husqvarna DNA is in it with the filter/screen set up. Just like my 701 Vitpillen…. In the aviation world it’s called Pencil whip that checklist…
It's literally a KTM 790, CFMOTO licenced it from KTM.
CfMoto is actually KTMs main supplier of engines now.
Ye same Chinese quality in the ktm. Since they are moving manufacturing to china haha rip
In my opinion as they are cheap they're gonna be great starter bikes and great to learn on the basics from maintenance and getting to ride a bike even amateur or pro as long as its maintained properly, a lot of people in asia have proven cfmoto reliable with proper maintenance. Speaking from experience the older cfmoto had shiz electronics apart from that it took me from point a to point b and kept me safe especially with their abs and the brakes were there to stop the bike.
Watch the video, the paper filter was sparkling like a Christmas 🎄 decoration.?? He made sure it was quickly thrown in the used oil out the way. I've owned a Cfmoto and must admit l did love the ride it offered, l did enjoy it and only problem l had was the abs light was bit iffy. But for the money it was great fun little bike, l only sold to go bigger and it wasn't much more to get a cb650r with great Honda quality. I would say they are built to same quality as the Yamaha MT range. Unfortunately the depression is bad on them. Thanks for reviewing, aprishate it 👍
I guess there is a difference as to the model they are releasing worldwide, here in the Philippines that same bike already has a steering damper, as well as a quick shifter up and down. Tft display looks like an ipad mini while the ones you have is just a 5" tft, if i'm correct? also, the handle bars also looks different, as the ones here has a scooter type of handle bars to accomodate that huge tft display. Same price point, it's about $8,500 here as well.
also I don't know if it's the same but on the 300nk you can clear the maintenance message with the menu on the screen.
Must've missed it. There's a maintenance counter but I'll look again
O have the nk800 I love it been so good to me I'm for sure will get cf moto for my next bile
Can you review the vata7 helmet I believe they sell for $800 but it’s supposed to be totally worth it thank you
Spite - you've treated this like my son treats his CB125R. High revs, check. Salt water (roads in the UK sprayed with salt, grit and urea over winter), check. Washing after a ride, Nope. Chain oiling, not often (praise the lord for oring chains). Muddy floods, check. 600 mile service - that can wait until 1000 miles. The bike has now had it's second service and has over 5k miles on it and runs like an absolute dream! He has learnt along the way too and is now fully knowledgable in how to care for this one and his next bikes.
The fact that you admitted to riding that thing way harder than any break-in should be, and the oil looked that good... that screams good build quality to me. To be fair, I know next to nothing about motorcycles. This might've made me more excited and interested in the company.
Oh that's interesting, I have the 800nk I didn't realize there was a consensus of "issues"... I guess I lucked out it's a gem so far
I have a duke 790 (same engine) and can say that in its 7000+km so far that it's never let me down or been anything but great. I imagine these 800nk's will be similar.
you have more luck then i do, had 2 thermostats and an output shaft seal fail on me within 6000 km's on a new bike
They said the same for my Aprilia Pegaso 650ie and in 18 years, I only changed, oil, filters, spark plugs, a rear shock and once the injection intakes. 2004 model 2nd hand. And now guess which bike i'll get next week... Tested the 800NK and it rocks. In a few days it's mine!!!!! By the way, the Advance.
Interesting that they have their own oil formulation, but use a synthetic blend instead of full synthetic. Looks good, and property broken in 💪
That's probably the best value for money bike on the sale right now
Air filter changed?
As a 23 790 Duke owner that has put over 3000 miles on it since July, it has been utterly mechanically faultless. Not even a dash code or anything. However, I have had paint on the oil pan start flaking off from corrosion despite hardly using it over winter.
My 300NK had oil dirty black after initial 800km (500 mi) break-in, and same after next 3500km (2200 mi). I think it is due to fuel quality (our "Premium" isn't that premium).
I have the advanced version sux that i need to bring it in to a dealer for the service trip reset.
I really enjoyed this video, and while it is an Anecdote, that is still a better data point than random rumors in the comments section. After seeing this test, I feel confident enough to give CFMOTO a fair try.
Well, my 800NK Advance lost her rear hugger and got intimate with the rear tyre after 30kms, and the cone bearing failed at 1100km after 4 days of shakedown runs. Couple screws backed out. It's getting sent back to the factory tmrw....2nd time in a week. Seriously, this is like a bad joke. I wouldn't be surprised if i got lemonade if I drained the oil for it's first service.
4ft/lbs bolt on oil filter.. would def use a bicycle torque wrench on those delicate bolts
I love the CFMoto coverage. I'm still on the fence on whether I feel strongly enough about it to not buy a bike based on its country of origin. I lean towards, if it's a good bike, it's a good bike. Can't wait to see how the Moto Morini Corsaro 750 does, gives me SV650S vibes, except sexier. And let's be honest, the NK isn't ugly..... but it ain't pretty either.
I have the same bike. Mine is a 2024. I noticed your passenger seat has a grab belt for the passenger. Mine does not. Did yours come with it or is it an aftermarket item? Thanks in advance.
I have a late 2023 and it had (I’ve already removed it) the grab belt tucked under the seat. It sits underneath and you can use it by just taking the seat off, lifting up the belt, and sliding the seat under it.
@@ms_enj Thank you! I've actually traded my bike in for a different one.
@@Steve-cp4vl different bike or same bike?
@@35764GIt's the same bike in your video. I traded it in for a different bike.
Damn thats a handsome bike
Personally, I like it way better than the Duke 790. It's less angular and the black and bronze is a sweet look.
@@spitescorner the fact KTM hasn't picked up on the fact the community is really starting to dislike the bug-like look they are going is so weird to me
One is the loneliest number... And a very small sample size. I would be surprised at horrors found this early, but glad to see there wasn't any.
I actually like the look of that bike.
Go away Chinese bot
Great, it made it 600 miles without failure. Very Impressive.
Thats not really an impressive feat. Maybe for a harley it is.
@@jvillain9946 sarcasm
@@jvillain9946🤦♂️
This was a fun video. Chinese manufacturing can be quite good when they want to be. I'm already planning to get a Himalayan for my next bike but an 800NK may be in the cards in the not too distant future.
I'm totally into the top fuel break in... lol
How much top speed?
There is a lot more to question reliability than just the oil and basics. My biggest worry would be the welds, quality of steel and metal composites. I'd even question the quality of the screws and bolts. Manufacturing cost alone isn't the only factor that determines low sale price.
From the video, all the hardware was straight from a KTM 790 parts bin. All their bolts that have that same dull metal look to them, but they've held up well for my '19 790 Duke. The filter cover also has the same weird shiny metal look. I've got 40k miles on mine and do my own service. I've had a bad cam chain tensioner (known issue on 1st gen, rattle rattle rattle) and the thermostat went bad last year, but no complaints for a KTM. I'm hoping this bike will keep replacing part costs down cause I don't see myself getting rid of the bike. Its too good of a daily do everything bike.
Well it cant be any worse than the quality of my yamaha T7, the engine is good but it lacks in paint and general build quality 👍
@@Prestonesfpv Yamaha did sign a contract with cfmoto
Wish you showed the actual filter There were a good amount of metal shavings in that.
Yeah, I kind of noticed that too. Still, that is why you pull the filter with the first oil change. I would run another thousand and change out again just to make sure it was clear.
Here you go: kzhead.infoRKLPWGgsSqQ
@@spitescorner Unfair dude. Two of us saw metallic particles on the filter and I was keen to redo the oil change after another 1,000 miles to make sure it was clear. You didn't say you had sprinkled it with metallic glitter.
You didn't inspect the paper filter?
He did not, and i saw a good amount of shaving in there.
Here you go: kzhead.infoRKLPWGgsSqQ?si=BZo5d6WkBlEa2pXm
@@spitescorner the pattern of the glitter doesn't align with the metal shavings of the freshly removed filter... Why would you pull such a stunt?
I Own a CF Moto NK 400, got it brand new and drove it from Manila to my place in the province 500 Kms away, in the relentless sun and heat, then I drove it back to my place in Manila. and two years since I bought it only needs oil changes. It has been used and abused, didn't complain at all.
True indicator of build quality is how many defect units we have compared to mint ones. Believe me when I say that 5 out of 100 is alarming for manufacturer and 10 out of 100 is catastrophic. So the possibility of having a good bike in case of CF Moto maybe 90 per cent. It is quite certain that you get a good bike. But social media will ensure that all the bad ones come public and that makes people fear that every bike is going to break. Your 1st service doesn't prove anything about the quality other than the fact that there is no constant quality issue with CF Moto but merely fluctuation in build quality. -BR, production engineer
Excelente video Mí sueño es comprar 800 mt explore Saludos desde Argentina
The procedure for partially filling with oil then turning over the engine for a couple of minutes then filling up the rest is kind of par for the course on the larger KTM bikes at the same on my adventure 1190 R and also my duke 890r. These first batch of the partnership between KTM and China bikes are going to be spectacular! China does not want to mess up their partnership with KTM and KTMs going to ensure the bikes are perfect as to be lie anybody's fears of a bike made in China and the partnership so they are going to go out of their way to make everything perfect!
Looks like a typical KTM dual drain plug with mesh screen oil change. If it's like my KTM 1290, those drain plugs are as soft as butter. I bought a set to keep on hand, since they seem to want to round off more and more with each oil change.
2 screens and a filter, needles extras but a nice thought anyway.
I rip my 450ss and it takes it like a champ. CFmoto isn’t these Amazon Chinese bikes. They are coming for the US market and producing very nice bikes. They aren’t stupid, they know Americans are going to question the reliability so it wouldn’t surprise me if they had very strict standards at the factory. I’m not saying there’s not going to be things that slip through the cracks but I’ve had Japanese, German and British bikes have questionable things on them and when I took my CFmoto 450 apart to add a quick shifter everything was marked, neat, and clean looking. I was very impressed and I will be buying more of there bikes and I’m currently excited for there ibex 450🤙🏼
Go away Chinese bot
The sparkles on that oil filter were insane💀💀💀
Im still hopeful for CF Moto. Im probably going to go test ride a 450SS in the next couple months. Who knows, maybe ill leave with one.
This it a 700CL-X?
That actually looks pretty good for a first oil change. Even nice engines can end up with a bunch of crap in the oil from manufacturing. The clean screens either means you got lucky or whoever's building these engines is pretty meticulous
Everybody is anticipating the CF Moto, 450ADV. I hope that they are making lots of them.
Is it just me or did i see a lot of stuff on the paper filter when you pulled it out? At 04:26?
I have nearly 4000 miles on my CFMoto 300sr with absolutely no issues, it is a fabulous little bike.
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