Rip-Off Bachmann Ivatt 2MT Tank Engine | Unboxing & Review
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There's nothing like an appalling rip-off to finish off a year of reviews, so here goes the Bachmann Ivatt 2MT tank!
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0:00 Intro
5:02 Unboxing
9:17 Prototype Info
10:18 (Lack Of) Detail
17:33 Mechanism
19:44 Performance
23:34 Haulage
29:24 Ratings
31:14 Conclusion
I am a simple man - I see a notification that Sam is reviewing a model so bad he can’t help but condemn it even in the video title, I watch and eagerly await the evisceration.
hahaha!! You know it's going to be good! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
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I think it’s that phrase “for this price” which is key to the accuracy of your review Sam. Although the quality of the body is left in the dust by the thing barely even running and the mechanism being faulty out of the box. They need sending back when this happens or Bachmann won’t fix the issues.
In November 1995 at a swapmeet I purchased two of these locos,subsequently found to be inaccurate.I paid 33.00 each,one was the auto version.41298(I think)and 41313.Used regularly and still going strong. I have ordered the BR 15xx for 127.50 from Hattons.With inflation I don't think this too much of an increase.Others will probably disagree. Thanks for the review Sam.
You may like to check the right hand valve gear. The crosshead seems to be bumping about instead of moving backwards and forwards smoothly. That body was not of acceptable quality. Excellent review.
Yes, I’d check out the valve gear (on both sides) with a loupe or magnifying glass and see if there’s any flashing on the parts where there shouldn’t be. Also, add a tiny amount of plastic-compatible grease to the part that slides in/out of the cylinders. Then give it another run-in and see if that helps.
I have one of these in BR livery and also one of the old split chassis ones, so have quite a good comparison. I generally agree with your scoring with the performance and mechanism being very good and the detail and quality being average to below average. When I compare my new chassis Ivatt tank to other models you have reviewed and scored higher, it however beats them in my book. That includes the Oxford J27, Bachmann Fairburn, Bachmann E1/J72 (new tool version) amongst others. The reason being... the Ivatt runs so much better than all of them. It never sticks on frogs or uneven track where others often do and the pony trucks having the couplings make it better for pushing against tension locks. It is the best shunting loco I've ever had. The detail on the body definitely drags it down, but I feel there is a bit too much focus on this in the tone of the review, which as usual is on point with just about everything. Personally I think 1/5 is a bit harsh on the value. If a model has a 5 pole motor, bearings and other good points on the mechanism, I would instantly expect to pay over £110 for a medium/large tank engine in 2022. 2/5 at worst for me and more like 2.5/5 on a model that I would expect to see RRP at £140 and discounted by retailers to £120. Hope this all sounds like a constructive comment based on owning one of these models and keep up the great work on the reviews Sam, I always enjoy watching them and find your opinion and knowledge incredibly valuable.
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I enjoyed your evaluation of this model, thanks for this. Merry Christmas to you and yours, from Canada.
Good video, Sam. The problem may be in the offside crosshead @ 25.00. There certainly seems quite a lot of play as the crosshead moves up and down the slide-bars. It suggests quite a lot of play from the crankpin and the connecting rod. I would be disappointed as well.
Gonna have to guess the "odd one out" is GWR Hall Class(I think, could be a King or Castle) near the crane. Love the reviews! Keep them coming!
My turkey wagon came, and I can say without a doubt it is one of the most unique models but also one of my favourites. I absolutely love running it. There's a certain charm about it
Ooh fantastic Jake - that's good news with all the Royal Mail strikes! Thank you so much!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I think the jamming up is because of the right-hand crossheads. If you look closely they are a bit bent apart which causes it to get loose and jam up with the rest of the valve gear...
The irony is that your new camera makes this loco look great in the shots! I've got one of these and it was a gift, if you know what I mean! Not the best in the shed, but somehow it looks quite convincing with a good weathering job.
The review made me look at the body on my old one. On mine the handrails and smokebox dart are more to scale, the ladder fitting holes aren't visible and the fit between chassis and smokebox pipes is good. The old dome was a scale disaster and whilst the new one is a better scale it is too flat topped and doesn't blend into the boiler cladding like it should. The old one never looked right because the large motion bracket was missing. I fitted a cast one years ago to cure this. Mine always ran well so the biggest (only?) improvement is ability to fit DCC without a lot of work and skill.
Good looking engine Bachman. I like the fact that their mechanisms have gotten so much better. Now they need work on their prices and their longevity. Great review Sam keep it up. Merry Christmas.
Hi Sam my present wagon arrived Thank you and keep up the good work
great video sam, as per usual. sometimes bad trains are such a disappointment. have a great christmas!! isaac
Yeah sometimes they are sadly - ah well! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The ivatt 2mt tank and version mogul in model form,are quite rare to me in my personal opinion,since I often have trouble finding the both versions of the loco,they are one of my favorite British locos ( hint that I am from the U.S. ) I do enjoy the review,hope you have a wonderful holiday Sam. Mykel.
Great review! Will you be reviewing the newly released Accurascale Class 92? Cheers!
Nice review Sam , for all its faults it seems to haul a good load. Odd one out seems to be your Dapol 43xx mogul next to the crane
Amazing video Sam know I know not to get one of these when I'm looking for a 2mt now if I knew the best 2mt tender version was the best that would be great
Thanks Sam for this review. As I very nearly bought a new Ivatt 2 tank. So happy I disidid not to & keeped with my 2 older version of this model.
I pretty much expected this from Bachman when you said they only updated the chassis, classic Bachman move
Sam, Bought the same model at the end of November, brand new, from TMC for £99. Not yet managed to run it in or really test it other than on a small piece of track using DC. I have fitted a Next decoder. Removing the body and fitting it was very easy. This will not make you feel any better, paying over £40 less. Enjoy the rest of Christmas and a Happy New Year.
Thanks, Sam. I have been debating buying this for a while. So glad i didnt bother.
Hi Sam, Nice review, I too like this train, , I'm with you . All the best Brian 😃
You doing a tt120 review? Got my tt120 Scotsman today! First actual model train I've had since I was a kid. Looking forward to building it with mine on Christmas day!
I have two of these: one an earlier release (also not a split chassis) that I picked up on eBay DCC fitted; the other, the newer British Railways release (41277), which has different detailing around the smokebox end from your LMS version. Apart from the handrails and the smokebox dart, they don't seem too badly off when it comes to detail, and the cab is quite hard to see into anyway so the raised floor is by and large not noticeable. Paint finish on the later version is excellent (the earlier one is matt). They both run brilliantly, which for me makes them worth it, even if I could now buy the new model for £20 less than I originally paid (£120 against £140).
Hi sam I hope you are well? I really wanted one of these model but I'll save my money for another model. Bachmann did to do thier version of a railroad range Big big shame Thank you for a honest review and sharing your models with us Keep safe ARP
Hi sam! loved the video but i have a question. I am thinking of getting an Airfix Royal Scot pre - owned from hattons. I was wondering if it was any good? Many Thanks
I got that Royal Scot at the Bristol show in February for twenty five notes in the box, runs well and looks good. Unfortunately I also got the original Bachman 2MT in its box for 40 but so far, that runs well too.
Sam, could the older KWVR body fit this new chassis do you think?
My guess is that the odd one out is the Green GWR-looking engine hanging out by the crane at the bottom of the hill. All the others are LMS engines. Edit: it really is a shame that this one's such a fail on value & detail. I adore the 2 & 3MT tank engines and don't have either in my collection yet. Guess it's back to stalking the pre-owned listings for a decent price
another top review - warts and all excellent well done
Great video Sam! I managed to snap up a bachmann ivatt for £96 during Black Friday which I think is a steal! I’ve got to wait until Christmas though haha. Hope you’re keeping well :)
nice where did u get that.
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Interesting that Bachmann's list price for this is almost the same as Accurail's for a completely new class37
@@raysadler2082 yeah, it’s RRP is insane for the age of the model
Hi Sam, am new to hornby models and have guage oo sets and need same advice on. Are you in the UK ?
Great video Sam! Are there other 2MTs out there that are more worthwhile?
No, this is the only 2MT tank. Bachmann do the 2-6-0 tender version which has a rather poor oldschool mechanism which you might be able to find for sensible money second hand. And Hornby are doing the BR version of the LMS 2-6-0 2MT...But the Hornby model is even more eye wateringly expensive at £220.
Hi Sam, that part at 11.40 is the exhaust from the cylinders that goes into the smoke box. Looks like it was fitted by someone wearing boxing gloves!!😂
The odd one out is the GWR 63xx All the locos in the sidings are LMS apart from this one
I think this one was trying to be the V3, but because the mechanism does have its few faults (the jamming and the noise), I think the best we can call this loco is the “V3 Lite”
Hey Sam, another great video. I was looking on the Hornby page a few days ago and saw a big boy. Now I don’t know if this is the norm but thought it may be worth a review if you don’t think the price tag is too much🤣. Thanks for the laughs over the years though. Can still remember the 2017 collection video. I used to run home from school like has he done the collection video yet? Whilst frantically checking KZhead. Sorry for any grammar errors🤣
I didn't get a good enough look at the Great Western loco in the tiny town to identify it's class or wheel arrangement, but that's the odd one out, as the rest appear to be LMS.
My thought too. Guessing it's a 28xx from the older style cab.
Bachmann has come a long way through the years. But they still have a problem with their gearing of the newer versions of their locomotives.. They slip in some rather low quality gears that have a tendency to split at the axle. Rendering them useless until repaired. My experience was with the three truck Shay geared locomotive. The axle gears on the trucks split. However Northwest Short Line gears have a replacement for this.
I must ask a question: where would one find parts for older Bachmann locomotives, specifically the spectrum PRR k4?
If you don't have an original exploded diagram of the parts list for that loco, you might need to contact the manufacture and obtain one to order parts to reference from. I'm sure it will be quite the process, or you can let your local hobby shop help you get what you need for it If it's a good hobby shop.
If Bachmann themselves no longer have parts your best bet will be buying a donor locomotive from a train show or eBay.
I have just got some older locos of a certain auction site, ok not got all the fancy detailing, lights and sounds but so much more affordable and just as pleasing to use, buying new is not even a consideration any more
I saw a GWR 2-6-0 sitting near the crane. That isn’t a LMS design What a sad loco tho. Have you considered looking at one of the TT sets?
Do you have the BR Maroon LMS 2MT tender locomotive?
I want to get a model when I'm older. Which do you suggest
Considering that Bachmann made an entirely new tooling for the LNER V2 and Class 37, I find it strange that they didn't bother doing the same thing for the Ivatt 2MT tank.
It's an unglamorous prototype and they probably figured they would shift a lot more V2s and 37s. The best value V2, if you can find one, is 31-550B. Old body but that was good enough, and a new chassis. About 1/3 the price of the new one.
I nearly bought that exact tank engine bit opted for a gwr loco instead because I only really like maroon lms engines
These ivatt's have been around for decades, they go back to the early days of Bachmann which were just rebranded Mainline stock, with the same poor quality mouldings and chassis that fell apart due to low quality plastic. To just upgrade the chassis and nothing else and charge a high price is an insult. Hornby can be just as guilty, their quality dropped to suich a low level from their Margate factory that they moved production to China, it took a few years to improve them and retain their reputation. At least you have warned us to avoid this loco, sadly you don't always get what you pay for.
Was this 'cogging' some tight spots with the gear meshing? I often suspect some poor slow runners - like Hornby Britannias - is due to poor quartering as well. Al.
I was listening to your commentary (entertaining as always) and it struck me you could be writing complaint letters to the local council - maybe a chance to kill 2 complaints at once in the future?) Excellent use of negative emotive language. I hear them wincing right now at Bachmann 😁😁
Got an.old version.of this for 45 pound and its amazing
Funny story Sam I have one of these and it runs great Cheers Jasper & Willow
Thanks Jasper - glad to hear yours is good! Thanks for watching, Sa m :)
I also have one it runs well but it is a tad noisy
Nice one Sam!
I have 2 old 2MTs, 41250 and 41272. Both converted to DCC and run well. The redesign of this and the previously reviewed V1/V3 tanks is what prompted the full redesign of the J72, instead of it getting the same treatment...
Great video Sam is dapol GWR Manner class the odd one out
I own 3 of the older Ivatt tanks. One in BR black, one in LMS black, and one in the KWVR red. All of them are basically equivalent to this model, shame the new one does not little improve upon the old. Infact, 2 of them I would argue are BETTER runners then this on slowspeed, crazy! I have no plans to purchase the new one unless I can find it for cheap. Disappointing for I really thought this would be a fun upgrade to a much beloved design.
I guess the odd one out is the GWR loco although I couldn't say what class it was
Is it a great western railway hall class locomotive
When it is too much hassle for them to put on those details correctly, why don't they come with a kit, where you can glue those details yourself, to save their production cost and maybe sell it a little cheaper?
10:54 that last Ivatt you have has a number to preserved Ivatt. Meaning this model is that engine before preservation.
Awesome video Sam's trains
Thanks a lot Brian!
@@SamsTrains you're welcome my dear friend
Well done review again Sam, and well justified to call B out on this lemon. It’s just beyond unacceptable this. Funny in a way that B obviously can get a way with it. This would go straight back for a refund but your nostalgia is well understood as well since we look at these little machines from a distance. However in all fairness, this is of course utter tosh for the money we thought. Cheerio and a happy December time.
I saw a gwr engine in the siding nearest the pub, I can't tell the class but it's definitely GWR whole the rest are LMS
Awesome video today Sam such a shame about some of the quality on the locomotive
That 'strut coming out of the side of the smokebox' is the steam pipe that feeds steam to the cylinders.
The valve gear on the right hand side seems to be jumping about a bit. Could that have been why it was 'jaming' up?
LM valve gear was always clumsy even in 1:1 scale. To get it looking decent in 1:76 would mean making it chunkier than scale clearances can cope with!
Sam, Prototypical would that Tank-Engine be used as a Shunter instead of a Road-Engine? Sam, you also mentioned pulling power for 28 Coaches. Is that full-sized scale Coach or did you mean those Troublesome-Trucks-sized coaches? Anyhow thanks for your honest opinion about that box of rocks. I will surly avoid the purchase of that in the future if the price doesn't sensibly drop. Thank's Again, Cheers!!!
You should come up to see the one on the KWVR
I've got a Bachmann 31-450 from the 90's and the only difference in the body that's noticeable is mine doesn't have glazing. The valve gear is certainly finer than on the older model, but that price for an old molding is really cruel. I suppose that's why I haven't bought a new Bachmann loco in so long.
I usually find a redeeming feature with most Bachmann models, but even with a reworked chassis this one doesn't have much going for it. I wasn't a big fan of them when they first came out, compared with some earlier releases from Bachmann the Ivatt seemed a bit of a backwards step even then. I still remember asking to order one at a long gone model shop (Sleepers Models, Erdington), it might even have been my first pre-order. I do remember buying something else instead when it turned up, possibly preserved green 75069.
Nice review sam
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
My first 00 gauge model was the Ivatt, its number was 1202.
Is it the GWR 28 or 38xx
Hi Sam I purchased 31-443 Bachmann 2mt tank with British railways on the tanks cica 1948 I think it looks slightly better than your LMS one purely based on the livery it has red boiler bands plus British railways in cream wording on the tanks and is also lined around the tanks.Also I noticed the one I purchased has a wesitng house pump on the front right hand side of the loco.I agree the loco isn't worth the money with the non existent detailing especially the Cab.I have fitted a next 18 dcc decoder and the loco runs really well no clogging and runs exceptionally slow in forward and reverse.I to wanted one that's whi I purchased it but it definitely is not worth £140 I think my version is a bit easier on the eye take a look let me know what you think. Regards Andy M
That's not a Westinghouse pump. That's the LMS Push Pull equipment. A number of Ivatt Tanks were push pull fitted.
Great video Sam quick question could I send you my loco for salvage or scrap if so please don’t scrap it no matter the results
Thank you so much for the kind offer, but I prefer to source the SOS locos myself! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Unrelated to the review..but someone told me you were planning another visit in New Year to Ecclesbourne Valley Railway. Is this true and can you let us know when. ( No services between Jan and March remember ). John the Guard.
The Bachmann ivatt 2mt may not be a perfect locomotive but I’ve never had a single issue with mine. I wonder if you could or would change its number to 41241? I also wonder if you could review a Broadway Limited Imports model? Their steam locomotives are really good runners and look really good but often go for large amounts of money.
Hi Sam, Great honest video. Such a disappointment on this loco as, like you, I was expecting good things to come of it as on first sight I fancied getting one to re enter 00, but after seeing the lack of quality in this example I think I'll pass. I agree the price was OTT... Take care and have a great Christmas. Jon B.
Hi Sam. I purchased a B.R. lined version of this a few months ago. It arrived with faulty valve gear so sent back to dealer twice for repairs. When I got it back it had the loose crosshead guide problem which I fixed. It now runs beautifully. A lot better than your example, Sam. Cheers.
27:33 GWR goods loco, most likely either a 2251 or a 2800 class
"Dates back many years, maybe even to the 90s" - oof, ouch Sam, I'm from the (late) 80s, you're making me feel my age there I've noticed that Bachmann and some other manufacturers alternate updating mechanisms and bodies, for example in their US line they've been continuing to sell variations of their Prairie 2-6-2 model with a non split chassis. In the last year though they finally came out with a new tooled body for the USRA 0-6-0 it's based on. For a relatively hefty price, of course...
The slidebars on the right hand side are not parallel. Also, the wheels were slipping in the reverse crawl.
Ever thought of doing 009 reviews? Kato’s small englands are fantastic or so ive heard.
I've spotted city of truro Or some small GWR tender loco
Hi Sam l enjoy your page, just to say l have the early model by Bachmann still in it’s original box payed £36.00 for it and has never been run.
At least the new chassis has two things that old one didn’t. A motion bracket and the expansion links the correct way round. 😂
I saw a great western engine in the sidings. Was that the odd one out
I purchased one of those back in March for my Birthday this year as I was considering getting HO/OO/009 gauge but I didn't have any track until I got the rolling road to test if it worked and it worked perfectly in my opinion. I got some track last week so he's finally happy to stretch his wheels again.
Well, atleast it runs well. Maybe you can cover it up with some camo paint.
It's basically the same with the V1. I don't know bachmann...(sigh)... some times I really wonder about you Cheers Jasper & Willow
Yeah you're right - though the V1 wasn't as bad as this on detail! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I’d send that back . There’s clearly a tight spot when running and at that price, even discounted, it should be exemplary
Quick question: do you remember the old 2MT tank having a better body, Sam?
I think he mentioned this problem in this video review, he was expecting a complete overhaul for the price of this Box of Rocks, Cheers!
To me the biggest gap in the British Railways OO gauge at the moment is midland region push and pull coaches - and a suitable Ivatt class 2 to push and pull them. In the late 50s and early 60s they were very common in the Midlands and North often replacing failed dmus. I think the last br steam train I traveled on was one from Bedford to Hitchin. It’s amazing such a common train and so useful to people making small layouts isn’t available. I have a ten year old Bachmann ivatt with sound and it’s very pleasing. I didn’t expect the new issue to be an upgrade so I’m not surprised by the review.
Thanks Sam for everything you have done. It also inspired me to purchase my very first br brown coach! (It didn't have couplings 🥲)
That Loco reminds me of the Fowler Class 4P 4MT!!! Both nice Locos 🙂🚂🚂🚂
Does it suck?
Hola buenas tardes sam excelente video
Thanks very much as always Miguel! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hey Sam, I’d reckon that the reason you can’t find the old 2MT body is because you cut it up for your cleaning products test video.
Great review and credit where credit is due you held it to the price you paid rather than the RRP which I think is a much better representation of the model's true quality i.e. still poor at the price you actually pay,
If your memory says it was the best an your favorite loco, then it is then even if it's not looking the best or operating the best. Just enjoy your memory of it sam.
while you had it apart, you should have added grease and oil. to the points in the paperwork.
Nearly bought one of these but decided against and got another J72 instead.
Ahh the J72 (new one) is a far far better choice! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Agreed. I have two of them, they are real gems on every point !
Yeah both of them are the new tooling. Sound fitted as well absolutely lovely little engine's.