Beginners Guide to Team Tutberidze Part 2: The Doping Boogaloo
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Hi guys!! Sorry I was away for so long! But alas here is part 2 of the beginner guide video! I never knew so much could happen and therefore this video is severely delayed. Additionally, please remember that this is a video for entertainment purposes, which tries to explain figure skating in the simplest terms possible. So, some details can be missing or be brushed over quickly. As always don’t take anything too seriously and enjoy! All links for videos used can be found in the description box. Also, Part 1 is required viewing so here is the link if you miss it in the video: kzhead.info/sun/rMiFdLSlrJesfp8/bejne.html
Thank you so much!
I'm supprised you managed to do it at all with everything that has gone on to be honest. Massive respect to you
A new version Yay!!
it'll probably be a while before i actually watch this video, though i'm definitely adding it to my Watch Later... it's nothing to do with your fantastic content, the entire Olympics fiasco just has me burnt out and disillusioned on figure skating. it's hard to enjoy their skating skills when these CHILDREN are breaking down right in front of the world and it's never been clearer how disposable they are to their coaches and some of the shitty jokes/takes coming from global media not familiar at all with the complicated aspects of figure skating are just the cherry on top :/
Thank you so much for your time on this it is like a literal documentary. Thank you for presenting the information on an elementary level and in simplistic terms.
I didn’t know Anna refused to meet with Putin. Respect.
good for her!
Right? I didn't like her at first, now I admire her so much. Tough girl!
She didn't?
Then she showed up in a different one with russian officials
@@hak5620 well she can't avoid them forever.
My heart broke seeing Kamila break down. They tried to “protect” her, but caused so much more harm to her. Then seeing Anna look so lost after she had won GOLD is incredibly sad. Then Sasha’s breakdown as well. These poor girls.
Sasha truely felt like she’d been set up to fail. That’s what hurts me the most. She saw Anna’s score and just lost it. Because up until that point she felt like she’d done it. She was going to win. And all she could do was watch as her own teammate took that away from her.
I don’t agree with how they treated her, but she literally cheated and got no repercussions and is called a hero
the only question is where were results of doping comitions. If they wrapped them earlier, Camila drama wouldn't happen. Actually, other drugs users in russia were severely punished. So, IDK why camilla was so supported... Maybe cause they knew, that the war is coming... (don't tell about that. believe it dioesn't happen. world friendship candies.) But OK. American gymnast Naomi Osaka seems to use drugs too, but nobody accused her. Well, paradox is that nobody knows the truth except commitie, and they can say to journalist what they want, so actually this is the reasons i don't have emotions about those dramas. And figure skating is not my favorite sport, tbh. It is difficult to consider as a sports cause marks are super subjective. (i don't deny absolutely extreme hardwork of skaters).
@user-um1gn8hs5f just to ask, isn’t Naomi Osaka a tennis player? Or is there another person named like her on the US gymnastics team. From what I know, Naomi Osaka is very much a decorated tennis player🤔🤔.
Ikr, if they had sent her home she would have escaped so much social media hate and so much pressure
I had never heard of Elizaveta, and watching her made me realise what's lost by not having any adults considered viable for competition. The kids are incredible, but she has a poise and elegance that gives her performance a different kind of depth.
Elizaveta was the 2015 world champion.
And 2021 world silver medalist
You can see the difference also by looking at 21 yo Kaori Sakamoto
She was a world champion as a teen. But then had issues before coming back. She was part of the first crop of Russian dominance- before the Russian dominance turned into Eteri dominance.
Liza is even older than 2014 Team Gold medalist Yulia Lipnitskaya - if you don't know probably the first traumatized Eteri girl.
This hurts my heart because they’re all kids.. literal children that clip of kamila walking alone by the press was it for me.
It was so sad to see her being attacked by the media and everyone else.
@@jsc2606 these athletes are given puberty blockers, heart medication, and food substitutes under the guise that these are vitamins or health supplements. These coaches are parents to them so of course they’re going to trust them (or else Eteri will conduct a smear campaign against them on state sponsored media). Also it’s not a child’s responsibility to memorize hundreds of banned substances, it’s the medics and federation’s.
That really pissed me off. It reminded me of how Team Tutberidze has no problem badmouthing their own students (most of whom are kids) to the press, never taking any accountability for their actions. Leaving this 15-year old child by herself in a foreign country at the biggest competition of her life to deal with all that media scrutiny is simply unforgivable. I also firmly believe that Kamila was not the only one in that team to have been doping given who their team doctor is, I believe that Kamila was simply the only one to have gotten caught. It wouldn't surprise me if Anna and Sasha were also forced to dope at those Games.
@@jsc2606 i think most reasonable people agree that she shouldn’t have been allowed to compete. she’s still a child under extreme scrutiny from the public and those around her. there was a way to handle this situation without traumatizing Kamila and instead they forced her to throw her routine so she wouldn’t medal and publicly humiliating her even more. and her coaches didn’t even support her afterwards. i think there’s a way for both sides of this issue to be correct. no she shouldn’t have been competing at the olympics. yes she and all of the athletes deserved much better.
Александра Трусова - чистая спортсменка!
That look on Sasha's face when Anna's score was revealed broke my heart...you could just see all the happiness draining out of her 😭
is there a clip of it ?
@@sebastienramirez8404 NBC Sports did an entire recap: kzhead.info/sun/g8uipdNso3p8p2w/bejne.html
I had the same face. I knew that they would probably overscore Anna, but I was shocked by HOW MUCH she was overscored
@@TayTayT Same. I mean I understand that Sasha fell in the short program, but there were also a couple of edge calls that Anna should have gotten in her free program jumps that the judges just completely ignored. Considering how close their final scores were, I honestly can't tell if the result was because of Sasha's fall or because of the way Anna got scored. At the end of the day I feel bad for both girls (and Kamila). Each of their reactions before the medal ceremony clearly reflects the toxicity of the environment they've been training in for all those years.
There were under rotations and edge calls that Sasha didn’t get either. Plus her insanely inflated PCS scores
In these Olympics 1) A 15 years old girl felt the need to hide her face with a hoodie 2)A 17 years old girl felt the need to cry after giving the performance of her (until then)lifetime and probably believing that her career is over 3)The Olympic champion feeling nothing after getting the gold in the most prestigious figure skating competition 4)The biggest figure skating team in the world never getting accountable after a literally teenage athlete of them got a positive drug test 5)Journalist putting cameras right in front of a teen after hearing that she probably won't compete something that in her mind among others means that she will let her whole nation down, and in front of another teen ,while her mascara was running, while she was experiencing her worst moment in her life Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse than 2018 These Olympics weren't just a mess, they were horrible. They took the most iconic sport competition and turned it into a drama seeking tv broadcast
Worst olympics ever
Amen! I felt like the only one who was happy was Kaori (and she did soo well!). Kami was devasted, Anna was like...not there and Sascha had that breakdown for getting second. And all in all everything put figure skating in a bad light again. :(
Men’s comp was nice?
@@iidasarkka3926 a bit heartbreaking for yuzuru but in general much better than the ladies in my opinion
True, and you can blame the following: IOC, ISU, WADA etc. because the Olympics is now totally political and fixed every time. Look at who benefits and you have your answer.
As a Russian, this is not solely an Eteri Problem- it’s a Russian problem. Womens athleticism is just viewed different here (and that’s not a good thing.) I’m a ballet dancer and Russian trained, and a lot of young dancers are very thin and very overly flexible. That’s mainly how they get high extensions and high jumps, they don’t build as much muscle as western dancers. That all works fine until they’re young adults and go off to get company contracts in the west when they don’t perform to the ridiculous standards russian companies set especially for body weight. A lot of Russian dancers I know in the west don’t manage to build a solid career, not because they’re untalented, but because they basically have to start over building muscle strength once they’re adults and even then, their careers are cut short and most will retire from the stage before age 30, while western ballerinas manage to stay on stage until 40.
im into ballet world too and what you saying is true but unbreakable Zakharova comes to my mind, like you know she is kinda old but still holds "russian" fabulous shape, I just wonder how does she manage it
@@shalomshalomsan eating disorder
@@woo3524you have? What is ur weight? On sclaes?
@@woo3524 Grow up
When I see these situations that happen in Russian sport, I can't forget Elena Mukhina, a gymnast from the Soviet Union who ended up becoming quadriplegic after an accident during training on the eve of the 1980 Olympics, and this was hidden from the public for years. It's a very sad story, because it was used a lot when she won medals, and then she was discarded and forgotten when there was no longer any "usefulness" in the sport... as if she were an object. It's sad that at a time when there's a lot of talk about mental health in sport, the athlete is the last to be considered (and I hope this process happens in Russia too, especially in this period where the country's athletes are banned from competing internationally for cause of the invasion of Ukraine - which, ironically, made figure skating feel exciting again).
Team Tutberidze acknowledged the hip injury of Daria by calling he a ‘fragile girl’ after she performed on their stars on ice show. Like, please. She isn’t fragile and was probably a healthy young person before they broke her with their barbaric training methods. The only thing that’s fragile are these coaches’ egos.
Why you are watching them skating?! Tutberidze made the figure skating for ladies looks like much better, if you don´t like her methods, watch the patetic american figure skating for ladies only.
@@Ademir2809 Because watching figure skating (or any sport, really) means watching a variety of athletes, events and shows. I’m not going to not watch someone’s performance just because I don’t like their coaching staff…who the heck does that? Would I support team Tutberidze by watching their ice shows live? No. But I’m not going to pretend like they don’t exist either.
@@elinat2414I watch them it's because l support the girls hard work in preparing these performances
A lot of things are lost in translation, I’ve noticed those interviews always sound very harsh when translated, you really have to feel the intonation of the speaker to fully understand them
@@emryborge7027 I'm a native Russian speaker.
The fact that after she left a 2nd time Trusova was asked in an interview: “Was there a bouquet?” And she literally answered: “Eteri Georgina doesn’t like flowers.” It’s just 😂
Honestly, I am SO PROUD of Alena Kostornaia and Elizaveta Nugumanova for speaking up about the abuses that they have suffered at the hand of their coaches. The fact that Alena has stated how in favour she is about raising the age limit to compete on the senior level really speaks volumes about the child exploitation she endured. Seeing as how all the adults in her life have let her down, I hope Alena knows her worth and that she matters as an individual. Also hoping that she is better treated by Elena Buianova whom is now coaching her.
The saddest part is the fact that a big amount of people in russian fs community is STILL victim-blaming Alena and Elizaveta...
@@bloodsugar7536 Yeah, while Alena does have a fanbase in Russia, there are still SO MANY Eteribots that will defend her abusive training methods if it means winning medals for Russia even at the expense of these kids' physical and mental health (Evgenia got SO MUCH HATE as well when she left Eteri after the 2018 Olympics to train in Canada). Tatiana Tarasova also continues to piss me the hell off 😡 Apart from saying that the ISU is "raging war" on Russia and how unfair it is that their government-employed skater can't compete when their own president is killing Ukrainian civilians as we speak, she also stated that Liza's abuse story should just be ignored because she is "unimportant" since she hasn't won any major ISU medals (as though that makes her voice less important 😑).
@@lyramusica4485 As russian, I could say that abusive training is usual feature for many competitive activities in Russia (not only sports, but music, dancing etc). Blaming kids is usual thing here too. It was like that for many years and this is why the oldest persons of russian fs community (Tarasova included) are acting like that. And that's... well, the whole idea of that system makes me really angry cause I was raised in that culture too. The aftermaths are still with me. I just hope that now when everybody sees the problem it's going to get better. The war makes everything harder though. Many russian civilians are completely against that war but protesting is very dangerous now and it gets worse.
I don't agree with you about Nugumanova. As I understand it, her coach simply said that if she wants to compete with the very best in the world, she has to lose some weight. Would a premier athlete prefer a coach that didn't tell the truth for fear of being labeled sexist? What does Nugumanova want in skating? What does she want? And seriously, is telling someone that weight matters in skating and that IF she wants to win, she needs to lose a few pounds really THAT bad? What would you think of a male athlete that criticized his coach for saying the same thing? You'd think he is a snowflake. I lost a lot of respect for Elizaveta when she said that.
I was shocked to hear her confirm how Ana Scherbakova took the most abuse than any of the other girls. This abuse was also reflected in her 2022 Gold medal winning performance. As Eteri practically abandoned her and just went backstage to deal with whatever issues the press was concentrating on. Especially after Kamila literally fell apart during her first Olympics.
poor Anna, it should have been one of the happiest moments of her life and instead she was numb :(
Trusova is magnificent, really sad but I really think and hope she’s an exception to the expiration date bc she’s such a fighter
i think she may be able to hang on for a little longer than the other girls did but i feel like in the end the same thing will happen and it's sad bc she is really talented
Same, especially because you can see that her technique is so much better than the other Eteri girls. When she jumps she uses a lot of power but not only from her back which is the problem for the Eteri girls. For example, if you compare Anna’s quads to Alexandra’s. I also think that her going to Plushenko also helped her on her technique so that may also be the reason.
@@blen9202 idk her landings are very rough i feel like she might injure something in her legs
@@annadumas Yeah I noticed it but it’s inevitable with jumping quads but her technique on doing them is the best out of the female figure skaters.
While I do agree that her technique appears to be better than many of the Eteri girls (she even has a correct lutz takeoff), part of me wonders if she will further injure herself from doing all these quads as she did earlier this season. Her landings appear to have gotten a bit rougher. I know that Sasha wants to always wants to perform a lot of quads in one program but it does make me worry for her health (also keep in mind that since she was 13, she has been making these decisions to jump various quads, probably unaware of the potential longterm consequences it could have on her body). On a sidenote, this is no hate to Sasha but rather the corrupt judging system, I do wish she would improve her PCS. Her programs have little to no interpretation/choreography (part of that can be blamed on Dani G. though) so it upsets me how the judging system tries to tell us that her artistry is the standard (ex: rewarding her much higher than Wakaba and You, whom are both very beautiful skaters).
the image at 42:53 literally makes me cry every time. that's not how an olympic gold winner should look like moments after winning the competition of their life. poor anna, poor sasha, poor kamila!
Those who are interested in the puberty-suppressing regime at team Tudberidze should compare pictures of Kamila, Sasha and Anna before and after the short holiday abroad they had last month. It is remarkable how much curvier they got in those few weeks. I cannot say whether they were on puberty blockers (illegal) or overtrained and underfed (not illegal but highly frowned upon), but their bodies clearly had a big reaction at being "set free" for just a very short time. To be clear: I'm not calling them fat, Anna really looks like a healthy young woman now, and so do the others.
They gained weight after not training as intensely, which is very normal
they really dont need puberty blockers, just keep them underfed and keep minimal fat % is enough for girls to delay puberty. Women and girls need more body fat for their bodies to function properly, even body builders will tell you they lose their periods in the months around competitions when they drop their body fat, and girls bodies not developing through puberty properly is very common to see in conditions like anorexia in teen girls.
It’s a sad world when a young woman’s natural puberty is a national discussion
they look huge now lmao
@@StartupsandsushiBut that’s the thing isn’t it, they’re were way past the age when they should’ve hit their puberty. How can they public not discuss when the whole world can see how children are being endangered?
I want to make a small correction, Mark and other male skaters did NOT sign up for military training. Its a law in Russia that all men who turn 18 must complete a year of military training, so thats what they are doing right now
this !!!
That's true, he just happens to be right at the age when it's time for his training.
This isn't about man
Yes absolutely biased
that's a relief, i didn't want to dislike mark. I feel bad for them they are forced but I'm glad some like evgenia and anna take their moments to not stand with what they believe isn't right.
Eteri misses the point, though. What’s “lost out” for Evgenia is not that she didn’t get the gold in 2018. It was that at 19, that was the last Olympic season for her. She should have had another shot. That’s not a normal timespan for an athlete
Based on the brutal training methods of her team, it seems like they push ur body to the limits such that their window of opportunity to snatch Olympic gold is shortened dramatically (one shot? Maybe 2 if your birthday coincides with 2 Olympic seasons) and competing as even a late-teens athlete is a lost cause.
Exactly. It makes no sense for an athlete in any sport to end their adult career before they turn 20.
Wow , never knew Sasha was followed and cornered. I feel that the Russian coaches were embarrassed that Sasha was crying and felt scared bc she was saying things out loud for the whole world to hear what it’s like being a skater under their team
Not sure that's the case, there was the medal ceremony after the final skater to be had since Valieva wasn't on the podium and she was supposed to be part of it. Which I honestly thought watching it real-time that they should have told her to go backstage and remove her from the 'flower' ceremony
sasha spoke about the whole thing and still is upset that the cameras followed her. saying that they wouldnt allow her to leave and cry in private. stating that she didnt want to be filmed :/
@Caitlin she was, she literally spoke about the whole thing. When it happened she wanted to go out of there and cry in private and they literally wouldn’t let her out and then since they wouldn’t let her out she asked the cameras not to follow her and film her…they didn’t listen and as she tried to move to different places they literally kept following her. You could TELL she didn’t want to be filmed cuz she even found a little corner to cry in and she was trying to hide her face and even then a camera was still shoved in her face when u can clearly see she was trying to hide from them. The cameras purposely would not leave her alone.
She wasn't saying anything crazy, just an emotional release, basically blaming everyone and saying that Eteri somehow knew that she wouldn't win, if she just listened to the trainers she would have had a better chance to win. The real reason for her emotional reaction was because she thought that by landing all of her quads she would automatically blow everyone out of the water, even a perfect Kamila, which wasn't the case at all.
But a lot of people in Russian figure skating community knew that she wouldn't win even if she landed all of her quads under a current scoring system, first because the math doesn't add up, when you replace high scoring triple combos like 3lz+3lo with quads the risk/reward ratio just goes down the drain. Also you need to be strong not only in free skate, but in the short program as well, her junior layouts were much more suitable for her, Lz+loop in the short as the main combo and 2-3 quads + Lz+loop in the second half in the free and just work with that and polish and keep perfecting it, she'd be nearly unbeatable. But she likes jumping and is very stubborn which is cool and all, many people love her for this very reason, but you can't really blame anyone when this doesn't work out.
There were photos shown when the girls flew back to Russia where Anna has her medal around her neck when taking photos with others, but when Trusova is in the same photos she immediately puts her medal back into her jacket. I don't like her skating technique, but she's such a lovely young lady and so considerate
Why is considered? No one deserved to hide their happines for the saddness of other person
@@valentinacorrea5278obviously that isn’t a healthy mindset to have as she pushes back her own feelings for the sake of others, but it does show that she really cares and it would be way more admirable if she set some boundaries
As a Sasha fan, 2022 Olympics was a roller coaster of emotion. I was crying bcos of happines after Sasha's Long Program. I was soooo happy! She did it!!! She landed 5 quads. But after Kami performed all hell broke loose, I was confused and heart broken for Sasha! 2022 Olympics was a MESS
My heart was breaking for Kamila when I watched her free performance. Seeing her visibly upset in the kiss and cry was unbearable. And all her coach could say to her was “why did you stop fighting? You could’ve done that but you gave up” She was mentally broken. All three of them were. And you saw them all unravel. Especially Sasha.
Sasha wasn’t having a meltdown, she was having a mental breakdown. Because she was told all season that if she lands all 5 quads, she would have won. Edit: I don’t think I made this detailed enough so here : basically Sasha was wanting to do more quads when her coaches were against it. But when the Olympics rolled around, Sasha had all her quads planned. And on top of that eteri told her if she lands all 5 quads she would walk away with gold. I hope that cleared things up 😭
I was so upset about that they use these girls about the age for 4 years and done.
She was told that every competition since turning senior
@Caitlin But at the same time she is put under extreme pressure to do the quads by press, media and her coaches maybe not as much but still. And the fact that her coaches don’t give her good choreography is also a reason. Her short program is full of artistry and is one of my faves but if you compare her free to Anna’s free or Kamilla’s the choreography is just not there. Maybe if they gave her better choreo then she wouldn’t have to rely so much on her quads.
@@blen9202 that program was made especially for her. Had to sacrifice choreo for prep to jump. It was her decision. Team tut want her to jump only 3 quads and no triple axel. Sasha has said she doesn’t like to work on pcs but concentrate her effort on jumps. Look at her now practicing High jumping. She hasn’t learn anything at all.
@@blen9202 that program was made especially for her. Had to sacrifice choreo for prep to jump. It was her decision. Team tut want her to jump only 3 quads and no triple axel. Sasha has said she doesn’t like to work on pcs but concentrate her effort on jumps. Look at her now practicing High jumping. She hasn’t learn anything at all.
These videos are starting to become my guilty pleasure. They're better than any soap opera. What a great subject for a Netflix docuseries.
Daniel Weiss (I think it was him, I am not good with names, when I can't see a face...) who commented figure skating for the ARD (germany) put all my emotions into words. First, the flinch when Kamila fell again (because I did too), then, after he said that she is still a girl, 15, and if he were her father that he would have already packed her up and brought her home after what had already happend, because this is too much for any child to handle. And he basically yelled at Tutberidze for not comforting her after, he begged her to hug her and not just stand there, again saying Kamila is a child and needs that now... And then, in the studio, Katarina Witt, cried. They were both mad, so mad and so sorry and sad for her. And she also shat on the whole system in russia and the pressure they put on young athletes especially with quads at that young age and said that they need to bumb up the age barrier for seniors so that they don't go as hard on them.
katharina witt should retire and stop commentating. during the world championship, you could tell she knew absolutely nothing, nothing. she was haphazard and her comments were superfluous. the commentator who was commentating with her seemed annoyed. she needs to shut up tbh.
@@FrozenKizz where did she comment the world championship?
@@FrozenKizz Ah I was confused because I watched it on ard! I've never seen her comment on the actual competitions live. Maybe I'll watch it again if I have time
@@Raven-nl5th Ich antworte dir Mal auf Deutsch. Der Livestream zum World Cup wurde nur auf ZDF Sport oder wie das heißt im Internet übertragen. Meine ich zumindest... ZDF irgendwas. Nicht Mal reguläres Programm. Die Weltmeisterschaften für Eiskunstlauf werden selten so im TV übertragen, weil das Interesse zu gering ist. Ausnahme sind die olympischen Spiele.
@@FrozenKizz Ich hab die Weltmeisterschaft im Ersten geguckt...also zumindest die Kür der Männer und die Gala liefen im Fernsehen mit Daniel Weiss als Kommentator, der Rest ist immer noch in der Mediathek, wo ich es dann geguckt hab als ich zeit hatte. Entsprechend hab ich Katarina Witt noch nie kommentieren gehört wenns um das Kurzprogramm und die Kür selbst geht und nicht so wie hier. Ich guck mal obs das vom ZDF mit ihr noch gibt online, weils mich echt interessiert. Man müsste meinen als ehemalige Läuferin sollte sie wissen über was sie redet, aber gut hat sich ja viel verändert ^^' Daniel Weiss macht das eigentlich immer gut finde ich, er weiß vor allem auch wann er die Klappe halten sollte xD
Anna skates broke and she had to get one before her performance,,, THAT JUST SPEAKS SOMETHING she totally deserved the gold!!
Irreparable harm to not allow Kamila to compete? Yeah…I can’t imagine a more irreparably harmful scenario for Kamila than the free program in the individual event. She should have been sent home for her own protection. Her entire world crumbled before her eyes. The adults around her (coaching staff, RUSADA, CAS, etc.) failed her.
They really did. Not to mention the propaganda the gov churned out to turn the Russian public in their favour. I hope Kamila's morality is not warped this way and her long-term health stays okay. She's just a minor and although she was wronged in this situation (she was doped by adults and put under crushing scrutiny), she is still in the side doing wrong.
Another thing: the poor girl was embarrassed internationally by competing with an active doping investigation. A child being faced with SO MUCH scrutiny being held in the spotlight against anyone’s better judgment. And if the medal ceremony was postponed it would’ve been “her fault”. Her Olympic debut and her presence is preventing fellow athletes from receiving their awards. Thats just humiliating! It would have been so much better for her to have just gone home. She could’ve handled the investigation and rumors over time and train for the next season. I’m with Paola, I’m so glad there wasn’t a crowd because their reaction alone would’ve been horrendous to endure. And all of this happening to a 15 year old child.
That was pretty much the worst way any Olympics event could end... It was just so heartbreaking. I mean I was happy for Anna; she was an underdog but nobody was there to celebrate with her. The other 2 girls were broken down and getting better support from event volunteers than their actual coaches. Even Johnny and Tara couldn't shine a positive light on Team Eteri at that moment
I will forever be sad about this entire mess. Every single girl involved deserved more, they are all so insanely talented and it is so so sad how physically and mentally damaged they are just to get tossed aside after a few years of fame. I followed Kamila since she was 12 years old, she was a remarkable talent, her artistry was something else. Her jumping consistency was not that great in juniors, it hugely went up in the second half of 2020/21 season so I assume that is when the doping shit started. It is so sad the adults around her failed her this much. I believe her international competitive career is over and this is so fucking sad, she could have become a legend truly
I think the Trusova refusing to return to her room after the ceremony was said to be a false rumour. Apparently, what kept her there for hours was the drug testing and that nobody helped her get home so she had to figure out the bus herself (according to another volunteer that disproved the initial wechat outburst rumour).
That's fucked up
Today is Alexandra Trusova birthday ....🎂 She is 18 .... All the best and i hope you can compete soon ...
I'm surprised she doesn't have any career ending injuries yet
Watching Kaori cry and hug Wakaba made me tear up. I love those two. Kaori should've been given gold.
Damn straight.
I would be really interessted in a video of yours regarding the new rules and how it would affect the russians.
Me too!!
Same !
If you look at the girl who hurt her hip, she already had a pad on it for pain (I’m saying this as a former ballet dancer who has hurt her hips more than once) having hip pain is one of the worst part for figure staking because of the movements. Not only that but already being in pain and then hurting it again normally means life long damage which may mean that she will never be able to stake the same way again.
So could you recover from the hip pains?
@@michaelfernando5672 you can but with the amount of overworking these girls have it’s likely that continuing to skate with pains will cause long term damage.
So happy that your back!!! Just a little tip though: put a link to Beginners Guide to Team Tutberidze Part 1 directly on the screen.
Thank you for the recommendation, it is officially added at the beginning of the vid🤗
@@paolala And actually, now that I think about it adding links to your other videos on Russian nationals and Aliona's interview would also probably help people find those as well and increase your views.
Watching Kamila and Sasha's reactions is just sad. Anna won the most valuable medal of her life, she had no one to be happy with, the attention is on Sasha.
CAS making their decision claiming that pulling kamila out of the competition would be 'irreparable harm' instead of the doping of a 15 year old in the first place, and the obvious years of abuse that is being a skater in team tutberidze, has still stuck with me the most. Just how many people despite all the craziness seemed to entirely miss the point. Missing that kamila probably wasn't the only one doping, that Sasha and Anna probably were too, that these girls are being starved, not even allowed to drink water on competition days. The mere fact that aliona broke BOTH of her arms in training in just a few months. The fact that we finally saw firsthand just the sheer agony and trauma of these girls. And yet there haven't been consequences. It took a literal international war started by Russia for their athletes in the sport to have any setbacks. And just the sheer possibility that the usfs might allow eteri's daughter to represent them, hell, they might even allow tutberidze to coach. It makes me sick. I genuinely got into figure skating for the art and the interesting stories around athletes to follow. But that's not what this is anymore. These aren't crazy stories for us to make memes about on Twitter. It's plain abuse that's happening right in front of our Eyes. I might keep watching for a while now that Russians athletes are banned (wich is for the better in so many ways, let's be honest here). But I've just gotten to the point where I feel this sport is rotten to the core. It glorifies and ignores abuse for the sake of making money, and the corruption runs too deep. There is nothing genuine about it. And if there is, it's never promoted or cultivated by the sport. Just sickening.
Irreparable harm was done in the free skate anyway. That was horrible to watch
This was such a great representation of what happened before, during and after the Olympics. Bravo to you Paola La!
"Irreparable harm" from a legal standpoint doesn't mean that it would harm Kamila. It only means that if she was banned from competing and it was later found that she hadn't been doping, the damage this would have caused could not be compensated by MONETARY damages. It's just a standard legal clause and has nothing to do with her age...
Exactly because she had no time to get her b test and bring evidence to prove that she didnt dope. And if they didnt allow her to skate and she was found completely innocent then that would be unfair
@@kara1460 shes a minor and a protected person. She was also suspended at first but she appealed her suspension
@@kara1460 were there any other cases like Kamila’s , when an athlete received a positive test for doping from the competition held two month prior to the Olympics and at the same time having tested negative after that competition and also at the Olympics?
In contrast, you have someone like Evan Bates who has finally won an Olympic medal after DECADES of trying but went home with empty hands... I guess no one cares about his mental and emotional well-being? The IOC really dropped the ball here and completely disregarded the US and Japan team medalists.
@@alexandrak.4883 exactly nothing like this has happened before
Such a well done documentary! Thanks for that. I always loved Anna Scherbakova the most, she is such a sweet and kind girl, she's just shy, nothing wrong with that😊
I literally didn’t watch figure skating till Beijing and finding your channel, now I’ve seen basically all your videos and am so invested in these people. Thank you for part 2!!!
That medal ceremony and judging was so sad 😔😢 just seeing that girl Anna sitting all alone holding her gold medal and looking lost on what should be the best day of her life 💔
I will NEVER forget that morning… watching the Ladies’ Free live. And watching the fallout at the end with Sasha & Kamila inconsolable… and Anna alone.
Eteri making Aloyna talked about how she smiled at the wrong times.... well, when do her girls get to smile? Daria certainly didn't do much smiling. Anna was on the top of podium on Olympics, but she just stood there looking tragic as she won. Trusova yelled hysterically and dissolved into tears... while being on podium. Aloyna looked miserable during her programs. I take Josephine of Sweden smiling while landing 15th over this.
It’s been so long and the way Kamila throws her hand in the air at the end of her free still breaks my heart every time
Anna Sherbakova is a rare jewel 💎 of todays young generation: she is a beautiful girl, genius skater and above her Olympic gold is a human being worthy to duplicate
You planning on cloning her?
Wow it's so strange to see all of this from hindsight...like, I remember actually experiencing this season real time last year as a fs fan and it was so freaking chaotic...like utter madness.
It was like watching a live soap opera on tv. Absolutely incredible. (Not in a good way)
Thank you for these videos! What probably broke me most was the reaction of Katarina Witt wo was commenting on the German TV, how Anna looked after it became clear that she won & what it cost her teammates
This had to bring back some painful memories for Katarina. She was in a similar situation as a competitor
This is just so sad that these girls had to go through such emotional trauma. That reporter who questioned Anna on why she should go to the Olympics, did have a point, though he shouldn't have asked it to Anna but to the people who gave her the points, Kamilla's doping scandal is something truly questionable, till now it's not clear who's fault is it but something tells me it's not Kamilla's fault, and what Aliona said was so deep and heartbreaking, Sasha and Kamilla realized no one cared for them in the Eteri camp and I hope Anna does understand that the physical and mental trauma is not way one always succeeds and I wish none of the girls have life long physical pain due to the overpractice past skaters, from what I have seen so far of my 3 months of being a figure skating fan it's a disastrous ride in Russian figure skating.
The thing is the coaching team and officials don't make themselves available to the media. Anna is the only person who the journalist can ask.
To add a point, Daniel was actually the first person to hug Anna. He came when Anna was still standing there.
Daniel always cared most about Anna, I'm glad he was around to support her
Thanks for making a part 2 Also happy birthday to Trusova
I literally found out after posting that it was her birthday 😅
@@paolala 😂😂
I've been a casual fan of skating since the last Olympics, I've been cheering for Anna for several years now. I'm glad that she won, but five months later I'm still quite frankly sickened by the events that took place at these games. I've never had this feeling about sports before, (although I'm still a teenager so I wouldn't know that much) and I think the sheer injustice of their whole thing is what's stuck with me. It was hard to watch such talented people my own age hurt so much. It left me unfulfilled, frustrated and helpless that I could do nothing to help this immensely f*cked up situation.
17:32 i can hear your smile as you start Kosto's segment. She does that. I absolutely love her, not bc she is perfect or consistent, but bc in a sea a of broken students she spoke her mind, only being diplomatic when needed (a thing Sasha, for example, can't do. I still love our Rocket tho) I will die on this hill. Kosto 4 life ❤️❤️❤️
the way i watched an hour long of figure skating fact more attentively than my lectures😩😭💔 youre the best at explaining this in the most layman and interesting way!!
Anna has performed as well before the Olympics at the Euros in Tallinn. WITH Ultra-C Elements. She was 2nd before Trusova.
I don't know a thing about figure skating but all this drama has me sooo invested
Anya winning Gold was the highlight of Beijing for me. She’s the height of resilience, and has a perfect combination of a challenging artistic, and musical program. This entire competition is insane and am so happy I just watched all of Part 2. Thx for getting to it! Nice surprise!
yeah but they stole it from liza?
I had to stop the video at 46.01 due to me being Ukrainian American. I live it every day, I do not get breaks from it and my friends and family are still there, in Ukraine. All the support that I could provide to them despite not having anything myself is definitely taking a toll.
Another well produced video. Thanks for your work!
Great work, Paola La! I’m excited you back.
Paola, your storytelling never fails to disappoint! Thank you for continuing to post such fascinating videos and giving us a glimpse into the world of figure skating.
this was so good!! so sad and heartbreaking but amazingly comprehensive and well put together. more than worth the wait👏🏼👏🏼
I feel like this one coach and her training machine has damaged figure skating as a sport and the damage might be permanent. Raising the age is a good first step but there are so many problems that are not fixable by a “rule” there is a culture and mindset that is still there.
Woo-hoo!! so happy to see you're back again! I love these videos con todo el corazón!!
omg i've been waiting for this! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. someone needs to expose all the issues with this system
YES THANK YOU FOR THIS I CAN’T WAIT TO WATCH
Thanks for this being in Australia it’s difficult to find (and at times understand) what’s going on behind the scenes. Watching things like the Skating Lesson a lot of what they say assumes a knowledge of the sport, that we don’t have here. They have only just started in the past few years televising ISU events on telly. For much of my life we only saw figureskating on tv at the Olympics. Your commentary which is very clear has helped me join the dots, and increased my understanding significantly.
Well done, a masterpiece summary. Your conclusion is spot on and this reads like a documentary. Kudos and you leave me wanting to hear more.
Eteri is giving Abby Lee Miller. Evgenia is clearly her Maddie
More like zagitova is her Maddie
Yeah and Kamila is kinda her Kalani (the new, consistent, beautiful winner) whereas Anna might be kinda like Nia (the mentally strong and sweet girl who gets (unfairly) overlooked sometimes) idk tho haha
@@Hello-go5lo Anna is Nia or Chloe
thank you so much for posting this content! i live for it!!!
Worth the wait! I was enthralled the entire time which is not an easy feat given my ADHD. The bring it on bit had me rolling
I still can't stop laughing about "Anna reached Eteri experation date", which I heared tonnes of times on this channel 😂
In general all the Anna slander on this chanel -_-
learning that kamila lives in moscow with her grandmother while her parents live in kazan makes me terrified that she’s going through what alina went through context: eteri said in an interview how when alina first came to moscow to try out for sambo, she and her mom came from her hometown izhevsk and rented an apartment. eteri said that alina was “lazy” and kicked her out. her grandmother came back to sambo to ask eteri for a second chance, and eteri said she would take alina back on the condition that alina’s mother would not be allowed to go live in moscow with alina or even VISIT her until she got an olympic medal. alina began training under team tut since she was 13
Manila’s parents live in moscow.
she is from Kazan, not Ryazan
@@elinamim oop sorry i got her confused with sasha
But Aliona said her mom was always at the rink when she was training (being horrible to her)
@@daria5846 i guess it depends on the child.
Waited for this. Thank you! :)
Bravo on this series! Amazing writing and very captivating while explaining everything. 👏
Was literally thinking the other day that it’s been quite some time without a new Paola video, so glad that you’re back! 😊
didn’t kamila test positive BEFORE the olympics?? she didn’t dope during the olympics but i think on december. this is the adults fault, if they knew before, which they probrably did, why did they even let her compete? they made her believe she could compete and they were the ones who gave her that heart medicine.
because systemic doping in russian figure skating and russian sport in general has existed for decades. coaches, team doctors and ministers don’t give a damn about anti-doping laws, they’ve spoken openly about giving PEDs to their athletes, they’re only worried about getting caught by international media
And this is the problem of Stockholm antidoping lab because they sent the results too late. If they would send the positive test of Kamila to Russia on time, Russia would not let compete Kamila and they would sent Liza Tuktamysheva instead.
@@xenka5198 amd sasha wouldve got gold finally at rus nats
It’s bc there are drugs forbidden only during competitions (Like some ADHD meds) and others are forbidden at any time, and that’s Kamila’s case. But I agree with you. We know the whole dynamic of the relationship between an athlete and coaches, specially when we’re talking about a 15/16 year old girl. They have NO choice, they have NO power to say no. We’re not talking about an ordinary rebel teenager saying “no” to their parents, we’re talking about an Olympian teenager. If she took a forbidden substance, it’s because someone from the team gave her, I don’t believe she would take it from her own.
@@larafreire3780 yep. and its crazy how everyone in the media (especially us media) was just dogpiling kami and said nothing about her coaches or the other adults around her
waking up to see this video in my feed was the best surprise this morning!
Fantastic video as always. My heart breaks for these girls, they have been failed by the adults around them and it's devastating to watch their lives be scrutinised because of this
Let's go part 2!!! I've been waiting for this!!!! :D
You are such a good writer! Organized and clear with a strong point of view and excellent supporting details. A+++
One thing that I always wonder is why do they all have such long hair. I heard that in the tudberitze team they “forbid” any weight changes over 200gr of the weight they are supposed to have, because “even a gram” makes a difference in your ability to jump quads. But then, why the long hair? I bet it weights more than 200gr. I know it is a stupid question, and I’m not saying they should shave the skaters hair or anything, I only wonder because, why taking meal portions away or having underage girls not eating or drinking before competitions, and then allowing them to have waist or knee length hair? Is it because physics or something? Is it to show that they are healthy because of the idea that people with eating disorders can’t grow their hair? Or in reality is the whole “200gr” thing bullshit and tiny weight changes don’t really affect your ability to jump and everything is a control thing
Woowww what a good point...
Russian beauty standards dictate long hair in women. It's a pretty big deal. So while some girls in the UK/US will pay for lip fillers, face massive pain and the prospect of death for a BBL, or suffer through a diet for beauty, the Russian girls will want to grow and maintain long hair, even if it means they have to lose weight.
personally i dont think the weight change would aggect your quad ability, because if that were true, bigger male skaters would have to lose a ton of weight to be able to jump quads. figureskating as a sport and culture has always had issues with disordered eating, and if you look at the diet of an international ballet dancer, they eat a lot more than an olympic skater. part of me thinks the only reason quads arent as normalized with women or its believed thay women cant to quads like men can is because of the pressure to barely eat, thus creating a limit on the amount of muscle you can build
As a formerly eating disordered person i have some thoughts on this!! :D First off, hair weighs less than you would think. Even cutting off a lot of it doesn't change the weight on the scale, at least not in a meaningful way. Also seconding that other comment about long hair definetely being the beauty standard for woman in Russia. Second, and way more significant: (Obligatory "I'm no expert but" here, these are just my thoughts based on my experience with & education on eating disorders) I cannot imagine the 200g thing affecting jumps is true. I think that's a myth they tell the girls to make them want to eat less and adhere to the strict food rules, or something they tell the press to justify these rules. The intense pressure to control what and how much the girls eat /has/ to be in order to keep them tiny not just weight-wise (obviously being slim is more advantageous to this sport than being heavy set) but to stunt their growth; keep them short and hold off puberty for as long as possible. Female athletes in most disciplines go through a phase of performing a lot worse when the body's center of gravity changes due to changes in body shape, and it takes months to years to retrain all the movements / body control they used to have before. Generally speaking, the more malnourished a girl is, the later the body begins puberty, the longer it takes to finish it, and the less full hips/thighs/chest they might end up developing. This is beneficial for performance bc after around age 18-21 healing begins to slow down and minor aches and pains can begin developing, injuries are more likely to never heal so well as if nothing happened, etc. If the girls were to hit puberty in the same time frame they would if they weren't starved, they might not have the time to rebuild their body control & muscle memory for the different body physics they have to work with. At least not before that other potential performance decline of getting ""old"" hits. So team tutberitze might have decided the best course of action is to disregard all future health complications and to just burn out the girls bodies as long as they're young enough to keep pushing through it, benefitting from the better energy, healing & the less feminine body shape that is, from a pure physics standpoint, way better for high rotation jumps. They also teach the girls that technique for quads that's heavily prerotated and hinges on them being tiny and light, rather than the "clean" technique without this reliance on prerotation we see in male skating (bc the combination of men's muscle mass and body shape / center of gravity makes this a lot more possible for them). About the no water on competition days, the only reason I can think of is how bodybuilders and super trained actors dehydrate super heavily to make all the muscles look way more defined? Maybe it has to do with wanting them to look "their best", have them look even more slim to get that extra definition in their lines, making their arms and legs look even longer?
I thought about this too. Trusova's bun is so big that it could for real affect her gravitation
Your best video so far! Thanks for letting me relive all this drama. Having tears in my eyes right now. Such a beautiful sport with so much pain and suffering behind the curtains. I love the sport, but hate hate hate the abuse of minors and the crazy politics.
I followed all this live and it was a strange experience. After Kamila was accused of doping, Russia started releasing these military videos with soldiers "protecting" innocent figure skaters. Knowing they were planning to invade Ukraine in not even 2 weeks makes it even more sick. I respect Anna so much. She is gentle and very intelligent and classy. She was trying her harderst to give Sasha and Kamila space when it was supposed to be her moment. And her refusing to meet with Putin makes me like her even more. She deserved that medal. I feel so bad for Sasha and Kamila. True, Kamila shouldn't have been allowed to compete, but at the same time being 15 at the biggest event of your life and seeing your promised dream turn to ashes must be agony. All the adults have failed her. Sasha's anger is justified. She knows her only strenght is jumping, so she decided to push herself harder than anyone else on jumping because the coaches told her she would win if she landed all the quads. She was the favorite during the Junior years, but after that Alena, Anna and Kamila took away all her victories. It's understandable she snapped here considering how toxic the environment in that camp is. And shout out to Kaori. She really saved not only the competition by making the podium and allowing the medals to be given away, but also by bringing the Olympic spirit. She was celebrating with Wakaba who was so happy for her. Kaori had done something literally no one had even believed was possible and she was still trying not to be TOO excited being respectful of all the drama around her. She was the first to congratulate Anna and then she basically went to cry on the floor in a corner not to draw attention 🤣 I love her so much, she was the only one left standing after all of the controversy and she deserves every bit of success she has had since then
thank u❤️ finally the second part
Thank you for such an amaizing video Paola !😊
Watching this on live television.... You just had to be there. The worst and most suspicious thing of it all is that after everything, Anna then was suddenly able to land her quads again and look more lively on ice, with more stamina. After she couldn't even win a tiny-tiny challenger competition previously that season, the Budapest Trophy ('21 October), because Maia Khromykh beat her with a clean skate! But yeah sure Anna was _not_ drugged... Anyway, just knowing she refused to meet Putin has now raised her in my eyes. She was never my favorite but all kudos to her.
One thing I would like to add though, I don't think that I agree with the assessment that tutberidze was really consoling kamila and helping her properly for the ladies event after the failed doping test in Beijing. They literally left her to walk through the mixed media zone ALL BY HERSELF, throwing a 15yr old to the wolves, crying, just to make some weird political gesture/ to keep her own hands clean as much as she could
this was very well made!! good job with the editing and voiceover!!
You did such a good job on this! So entertaining! TV Series and Movie in the works!
Me encanto la 2da parte, el futuro es incierto, pero más emocionante que nunca
THE DOPING BOOGALOO. OMG WHY DO I LOVE THAT 🤣 SO GLAD YOU ARE BACK PAO WE MISSED YOU.🥰👑❤️
Ive never watched or cared about skating in my life. This is the most interesting storyliine ive experienced in my life. I am so invested jesus christ. Im a tennis player ffs
haha welcome! I hope you came from part 1, as there is a lot more backstory to this
Eres increíble, gracias por darnos una gran explicación de todo este loco mundo, más aún cuando todo la información está en inglés o ruso. Un abrazo y de seguro te volveremos a ver pronto, no nos olvides.
Brava! Man, figure skating is a complex creature! Thanks for the vid!
This was so well said!
This. Is. Brilliant. Thank you!
It took two years, but the verdict is in: Kamila Valieva is disqualified and banned for four years. I wonder what happens now.
Kamila Valieva’s free program should not be described as “bad”. It was still a fantastic skate which simply was not preformed to perfection but still was good enough to get her 4th place at the olympics. That just tells you that the skate was very good regardless of whether or not it met expectations.
Lmao that’s due to corrupt judging actually💀.
Them endurance drugs were out her system...good
She got in 4th because of the SP which was the actual program that still was good despite the imperfections and got 1st place. The FP for Kamila's standards was "bad"
@@bbl1188 this "robbed" thing you people go on and on chanting is really annoying. FS has a complex score system. The system has human faults inside bc is judged by humans. In all of this, there are other elements that gives you points. Which is literally the reason why Trusova didn't beat Scherbakova while doing an incredible program. We can discuss about how ISU itself is cryptic and vague about how they write the rules and are destroying the sport from the inside, but this is not on Kamila shoulders tbh. Also this competition was heated and full of very talented skaters, but they can't all win. That's the truth. And I'm saying this as a Wakaba fan. I'm super proud of her, bc knowing her story and her constant issues with injuries and inconsistencies, she managed to get to Beijing and place in the top 10, which is already an amazing result.
I’ve been waiting for this one 😌
Excellent video! Great analysis. Thanks
Thanks for this video. I started following figure skating last year and I find your videos very informative and entertaining. I live In a country where no one watches figure skating lol so these videos are a nice way to interact with people who share the same interests.