Traditional Archery Expert Rates 11 More Archers In Movies | How Real Is It? | Insider
Archer Jim Kent, aka Grizzly Jim, returns to look at the realism of 12 different archery scenes from movies.
He breaks down Katniss' Olympic shooting style in "The Hunger Games: Catching Fire" (2013) and "The Hunger Games: Mockingjay - Part 1" (2014), starring Jennifer Lawrence and Josh Hutcherson. He analyzes the close-range archery seen in "John Wick: Chapter 4" (2023), starring Keanu Reeves; and "The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring" (2001); starring Orlando Bloom, Viggo Mortensen, and Elijah Wood. He discusses the complicated maneuvers done while performing archery on horseback in "Justice League" (2017), starring Henry Cavill, Ben Affleck, and Gal Gadot. He dissects the probability of hitting moving targets in "Black Widow" (2021), starring Scarlett Johansson and Florence Pugh; and "The Great Wall" (2017), starring Matt Damon, Pedro Pascal, and Willem Dafoe. He speaks on how to use a bow and arrow for hunting in "Deliverance" (1972), starring Jon Voight and Burt Reynolds. Finally, he explains the many archery styles throughout history, as seen in "King Arthur: Legend of the Sword" (2017), starring Charlie Hunnam, Jude Law, and David Beckham; "Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves" (1991), starring Kevin Costner, Alan Rickman, and Morgan Freeman; and "Troy" (2004), starring Brad Pitt and Eric Bana.
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Traditional Archery Expert Rates 11 More Archers In Movies | How Real Is It? | Insider
You are correct that Lurtz (the Uruk-Hai Orc in The Lord Of The Rings) IS holding the bowstring with a reversed grip for aesthetic reasons - the production have stated that it is to show that the Uruk-Hai are not human, and to show a clear distinction between Lurtz and Legolass.
Also while I think you can dismiss Legolas sometimes weird/fast shooting as him being like a 900 year old elf-prince who has his own style and quirks at this point. I think you can also dismiss Lurtz as being not a particularly skilled archer - good for an orc - but also one of the only(?) orc archer we even see: a fitting weapon for a battlefield commander who needs to hang back slightly and have a better feel for all the action, because he's commanding troops primarily. Despite the monstrously large arrows he's firing, and despite his superhuman strength, Lurtz fails to kill his target in 3 shots at about 30/20/10 feet, with the target unsuspecting and back turned. Lurtz is not a worldclass archer, and him loading the bow that way reflects an easy way for him to keep his arrows loaded/notched - like how first timers heavily cant so that they dont drop their arrows. There's no orc school of archery as far as I can tell, so Lurtz is just mimicking what's he seen of other species archers, at a distance, in the midst of battle - he doesn't have a ton of opportunities to study.
@@Yvaellelegolas is 2500+ years old
@@t.a6159 Tolkien never gives Legolas' age, he never appears in the chronology before the events of the Lord of the Rings. The "2931" age was invented by a member of Peter Jackson's staff for a character sheet, to suggest that Legolas should be roughly the same age as Arwen, for casting purposes.
I shoot like that and well, I feel like they could have found a better expert tbh
Well, I think it is good enough for an orc that just came out of a strange "earth-placenta" created by an evil wizard.
"Feathers come in 2 flavors".... Well good sir, I figured out why he licked the Feather. Flavor sir. Flavor.
Chicken lickin’ flavour - KFC
Feather lickin' delicious! 😋
England, "Flavour Guv'nor, flavour."
He licks it because the arrow isn't going to lick itself.
@ghostdog662 do we know this for sure tho? 🤔
Interesting that Jim didn't pick up on Katniss doing a forward roll while wearing a back-quiver. That would almost certainly result in quite a painful back, an undignified end to the roll, and probably a few broken arrows inside the quiver. (Or a load of arrows on the ground having fallen out of the quiver).
I wonder how the filmmakers and the actress pulled it off.
@@cadethumann8605 If you go through the clip frame-by-frame you can see how they did it. From one angle she starts the roll and there are arrows in the quiver. Then it switches to another angle. If you pause it then, you can see there are no arrows in the quiver, and the quiver does not look like it's made from a hard material, and then as she goes to grab an arrow from the quiver it cuts to another angle where the arrows have magically reappeared.
@bujin1977 I see. Although, one thing I would add is that it is possible to roll with the opposite shoulder. I've done it before with a wooden sword on my back just for fun and it and my back were none the worse for wear (I felt slight discomfort, but I wasn't wrecked). However, that was with a thick and sturdy object. Arrows are thin and fragile. If her quiver was stiff, it being hollow would shatter (if it was flexible like cloth or leather, it should be fine as it would simply collapse, but that's besides the point).
Not necessarily - if she landed on her mid back, it could be done, but certainly it’s not the ideal way to evade an attack with a quiver on your back.
I’ve never seen that movie (only saw the first one) but that was legit my first thought and yea surprised he didn’t bring it up.
It's always kind of funny that movies that try to represent some type of Bow-Fu style of fighting apparently tend to forget that every Archer or even anyone in kit going into a fight would always have at least one knife/dagger on them which is far quicker and easier to use in close range than pulling an arrow, drawing the string and releasing. It also prevents you from wasting a perfectly good arrow.
Except LotR, in which Legolas had matching curved knives for close combat!
They even show Legolas keeping the bow in one hand and using a single knife in the other to possibly be able to switch back to shooting if he gets an opportunity
I think it's probably fair to assume that virtually all real-world professional battlefield archers were also skilled with their sidearms and didn't just have them for a tiny chance to survive if an enemy got within melee range. Skilled archers were a hefty investment and no one employing them would ever be cool going, "Oops, well I guess he's dead" just because an enemy got close. Archers outfitted with armour and various shields were quite standard in many places. Getting close enough to an archer to swing at him with your weapon would by no means be an easy win unless you had a polearm, were on horseback and/or were a knight. You'd have to deal with a big, strong person wearing at least some manner of protection and holding a weapon just as deadly as your own. And you're right - they wouldn't be doing flips and swinging at you with their strung bow, they'd be grabbing their knife, dagger, sword, axe, spear etc. and trying to end you as quickly and efficiently as possible.
"Why would you lick it" "Feathers come in two flavours"...
He is very generous, one of if not the most generous one.He is giving scores like 5 or 6 when others would have give it like a 2 or 3.
Jim grades pretty easy compared to some of the other rating videos out there. Still entertaining to watch though :)
I think his 7 is a 3 😂
some of his scores don't make a lot of sense. Specially that john wick one giving a 7 when the girl is using the bow as a melee weapon come on!
Agreed. It's a ranged weapon, not a dagger, not a staff... it's a BOW! She literally used time she could have shot 2 or 3 times to RUN and jump on top of the other dude. Robin Hood, Deliverance and Troy are the only ones I would rate 7 or over IMO. @@moonshot3159
Love it. Can't hear enough about archery
it's cause they're not doing that bad, he's nitpicking so he's not taking huge numbers off. they're all pretty minor inconsistency
5:27 I didn't appreciate fully how much force there is in a large bow until I didn't wear a bracer and the string traveled down my forearm. Left a most impressive bruise the whole way down.
I did some shooting at hay targets at a renaissance fair, damn I had a nice bruise almost down my entire forearm
@@LichtdesMorgens And it can happen with one pull. That’s all that’s needed to mark up your entire arm. Hope the archery was fun, bruising aside
@@Panzer_the_Merganser I had an arrow nock spilt on releasing a 120ib longbow - The string then missed my bracer and cut into my arm like a cheese wire.
@@mikegregory2492 Brutal, hope you got it taken care of without loss of feeling or use in your arm (but ended up with a good scar).
@@Panzer_the_Merganser Cheers! Funnily enough just before I made the comment I lifted my sleeve to see how it was, but its pretty much undetectable now some 6 months later.
Katniss Everdeen holding that bow string against her nose always bugged me so much, glad I'm not the only one that noticed that.
One of my biggest pet peeves is when people in movies and TV, especially in period pieces say "fire" in the context of archery. Historically, "firing" and arrow meant literally lighting the end of fire to set fire to a ship or other structural target. You "shoot", "release", "loose", or "let fly" in archery, you don't fire. I've seen that in otherwise well made films and TV series. To me it's like seeing someone in a period film wearing a digital watch.
I remember this midevil period show that had Starbucks cups in shots in the final season. That is always fun to find in things.
@@barnabusdoyle4930 game of thrones?
@@DontHateButDislike Yeah, the final season was a mess for these kinds of things. Car in the background, Starbucks cups, soldiers using a phone in the background.
Classic wrist watch in a period peice moment is Glory, hands down.
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0:29 - Robin Hood - Prince of Thieves (1991) 2:15 - Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring (2001) 3:48 - Troy (2004) 5:34 - Hunger Games: Catching Fire (2013) 7:18 - King Arthur: Legend of the Sword (2017) 10:05 - John Wick: Chapter 4 (2023) 12:04 - Zack Snyder's Justice League (2021) 13:26 - Deliverance (1972) 16:41 - Black Widow (2021) 18:24 - The Great Wall (2017) 19:32 - Hunger Games: Mockingjay - Part 1 (2014) 21:19 - Jim's favorite archery movies
I despise people like you who spoil entire videos for everyone. How is this any different than telling people what happens every few minutes in a TV show or movie? Some of us would like to be able to watch the video and scroll through the comments without having the entire thing spoiled for us.
@@cleverusername9369Do you resent the table of contents in books?
@@handcoding pretty easy to skip past that in a book and book chapter titles generally don't tell you exactly what happens in each chapter. Plus, books include a table of contents because the author/publisher want them to. If they wanted to provide chapters here on KZhead, they easily could've done so, it's a common feature.
Do you know what the video at the beginning is
@@cleverusername9369 I bet you're fun at parties bro
Considering that J Law was trained by a Olympic medalist (3rd place in Barcelona 1992) for her role as Katniss it makes sense that she's got the target archery-style in the movie.
I've always had an interest in traditional style archery. This video made me email a local archery club. Keep up the great work on all sides.
I use a compound bow. Never done traditional tho but I think it's harder for sure
@@NVSC10 I am drawn (no pun intended) to the traditional aspect because of it's more "natural" form, however you'd want to word it. I will enjoy the process of developing the skill more than the skill itself.
@@NVSC10 trad is definitely harder, but it's so much fun. I use a compound for hunting, the recurve is just my toy
Go for it! I see guys saying its harder than compound, but I don't agree, you just expect much less exact results. Using a compound, or a recurve for that matter, comes with additional technical challenges and patience. A trad bow; just sting it and off you go...
Y'all need to see Joe Gibbs when he is shooting his 140 (or 160 don't remember)pound warbow. Quite impressive
It is very impressive! Especially when he goes up to 210 lbs.
Joe Gibbs is an absolute tank with steel sinews, and even he's wiped after five shots with that thing. A lot of people think, oh, I can bench or deadlift 140, no problem - it's not the same thing at all. So I'm very pleased with Grizzly Jim here saying a 120 pound bow "folded him in half" because that's really what anyone should expect if they tried.
@@Andreas-ov2fvi have a 110lbs bow and rarely do i come across someone who can even draw it.
Joe Gibbs and the experiments he did with Todd Cutler are my archery benchmarks!
I remember watching a Korean film called War of the Arrows. Lots of neat techniques in it. Like using split bamboo to fire a broken shafter arrow. Using the bamboo as a guide rail.
That was acctually historically accurate method. One side used shorter, harder arrows because the other side couldn't shoot them back, while they still could reuse longer arrows. Great to use while siege. I shoot with majra (this type of arrow guide) and it was so fun :)
yeah there are a lot of scenes in that i would love for him to go through! of course some are over-exaggerated etc, but its a darn cool movie.
I really like that movie even though the protagonist uses the thumb/Mongolian draw. I personally use the Mediterranean/western draw.
He reacted to it in the first video
War Of the Arrows is a fantastic movie.
Of course Loki catching the arrow, sneering at Hawkeye, and and then the arrow going *BOOM!* was epic!
Regarding the mention of an arrow storm in Agincourt, that really didn’t happen the way most people imagine it. The volley of arrows were not shot to the sky, to then fall onto the enemy hitting them in the gaps of the armor, but rather shot at them directly, at close range to deliver the most power as possible.
Agreed. There's plenty of indications that archers at Agincourt were flat-shooting. And the English war-bow wasn't that magical anti-armour weapon it's portrayed to be. Yes, it was powerful, could punch through mail like it wasn't even there and was sometimes effective against plate, but if armour as was worn at the time didn't work against arrows, they wouldn't have been wearing it against an enemy that was famous for its archery prowess!
My understanding is that the French knights got bogged down in the mud and basically became sitting ducks? (Please correct me if that’s just a myth)
@@danieloneal7137 don't get me wrong, the archers at Agincourt were skilled, and the bows were powerful, and the nature of the ground was a decisive factor, but not like that. The bulk of the battle was fought dismounted, and the French knights and men-at-arms did have to cross nasty ground, but they didn't get stuck, they just got tired. And if they tripped and fell, odds were good they'd be trampled or drowned. So when they reached the English lines, sure they had taken casualties from the archers, but they wouldn't have been wearing 50 pounds of steel if it didn't work, but mostly they were exhausted and broke themselves against the English dismounted knights and men-at-arms, while archers would gang up on the French and bring them down as a team, and jam a knife where there was no plate.
The metric of fascinating info/minute was amazingly high with this guy.
he is a fine archery expert, but he has no business talking about historical battle stuff.
Great video! I've never seen Deliverance and doubt I ever will, but the scene of the chap getting target panic as he lines up a shot on another man shows one thing that every other movie fails at, which is: All these other movies show the characters comfortably and indeed almost gleefully killing other humans with absolutely no panic, no remorse or guilt post-act, and no long term effects to their mental health (I know Hunger Games attempted to portray some element of PTSD in Katniss but it was poor and inaccurate at best) At least Deliverance portrays a man hesitating to kill another person, probably because a) he's not a killer and b) he's panicking because he knows what's at stake if he misses, he only has time for one shot and he can't mess it up, so he chokes like a golfer missing the million dollar putt. It bugs me in modern film how they don't show the extreme psychology that goes into taking a life, and the extreme toll it takes on your mental health. The other big thing that all these films fail to portray is just how long it takes for a human (or orc or whatever) to die from an arrow wound. People and animals can survive even multiple arrow wounds for hours (depending on where they receive the wounds), the most dangerous part comes in removing the shafts in the ER later. An arrow wound is not guaranteed instant death, sure it may slow down and/or incapacitate your target, but they don't turn off dead instantly like flipping off a light switch. They'd receive the wound and spend a long time in agony slowly dying from it. Ask any psychiatrist about the complex psychology involved in taking a life and the results of having taken one. Ask any bow hunter just how many arrows and how long it takes for an animal to die. And ask any doctor about the effect of puncture wounds of any kind where the wounding implement remains in the body.
I agree with most of what you said, except for the potential speed of death after the arrow impact. Yes, it can take hours, or even days to slowly bleed out internally, or for an infection to fester into septic levels, HOWEVER, a well placed broad head, be it two, three, or four bladed types will kill very, very quickly. I’ve seen a video where a moose walks in a circle about 3 times while bleeding profusely from a pass through shot. Took maybe 20sec to drop, never went more than 15feet from where it was shot. Arrows are extremely effective if the archer does their part.
Why would you assume there would be "target panic" or remorse during the stress of warfare? You are trying too hard to be academic with likely no actual experience in the matter. Archers in battle just like later riflemen do what must be done. The reference to "Deliverance" is not the same experience as 1000 archers at the Battle of Agincourt. In addition, I have seen many a quick kill with a broadhead from bow, and crossbow.
That's Jon Voight in that scene.
Classic case of target panic. Earlier in the movie he had the same condition while attempting to shoot a deer. It's not about the stress of taking a life or anything like that. It is a situation where your body is anticipating the release of the arrow and prematurely starts to react to the shock of that energy release as it transmits into the arm holding the bow. Your brain knows the shock pulse is coming, you know you have to keep your arm still to be accurate, but your brain starts to short circuit. It can happen just as easily shooting at a hay bale.
Don't ask hunters. They use arrowheads with sharp knifes that are quite broad. Broadheads. Those cut through the lungs or arteries and result in quick death. Those can not be used against armor. Warheads are rather narrow, pointed and heavy. They have to go through the armor first. And as you say correctly, they make wounds to suffer and die by a long time.
Maybe part two? "Merida the brave" "Princess Diaries 2", "The Forbidden Kingdom", "Mulan", "House of fying daggers" 🏹
Check out the linked video, part 1 where he rates Merida (and lets face it goes all squishy about how good the archery is depicted). Dammit, Insider, I'm doing your job here!
One more to add: RRR.
He's such a cool guy. Came here straight from the part 1 since I loved it.
He is exactly how I thought he look as a traditional archer
You want to watch Tod’s Workshop and the guy who shoots the 140 pound draw longbow
what why?! he looks like your friendly neighbour dave for traditional archer i'd expect some villanous handlebar and goatee beard as well as some arrogant manners cause his message gotta be traditional archery > any other way of firing arrows
Not enough receding hairline with ponytail
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Yay, I'm so happy he's back! Thank you, Insider!
It feels like in the John Wick close up execute you'd be off just as well by grabbing the arrow and just jabbing it into the eye socket. Seems like that would be a good deal faster than drawing back a bow to do the same thing.
Regarding the scene in Robin Hood where he rips of one of each fletchings of the 2 arrows - he does it so they fly in a curve in order to hit both riders. While movie-magic, arrows with one fletching missing will fly in a curve, so there is some accuracy to that
Yeah he's weighing down one side of the arrow to make it heavier.
@@Artaimus so people in the comment know more about this crap than the expert! shocking. i dont know anything about archery but thought his arguments were all over the place
Why would that make it fly in a curve when he's already stated that all arrows spin when they fly?
@@Redswipe They fly in a curve because with fletching equal distance from each other it stabilizes the arrow to fly straight even with oscillation. With one missing so that there is a shorter span between the fletching on one side and a longer on the other it curves because it can't stabilize the arrow in every direction. So depending on what fletching you remove with determine what way it curves the top will curve up and to the left the cock to the right and the bottom straight down.
@@Redswipe Arrows only spin when they have all three (or 4) fletchings aka. feathers/ vanes. The feathers come from the same side of the wing of a goose and as such have the same curvature, creating rotation. If you remove one feather/ vane, the arrow is going to curve into the direction where the vanes are present.
Lord Petyr Baelish being a master Archer does sound interesting... :) Great video. My observation on Troya is that it kinda doesn't make sense to use so many flame arrows against infantry when it comes to realism...
Eh I know it isn't real, but I'll suspend my disbelief since they thought they were going to be shooting at ships and fire arrows are a solid way to burn down a fleet. I know their landing but stopping your enemy from being able to retreat back out on the water is also a sensible idea.
Flammable arrows actually were a thing, flaming tip and all. They were just really heavy, required some good aim and used a specific burnable liquid and cloth combination. I can not remember what it was made of but it kept the arrow on fire during flight and helped set whatever was targeted on fire as well. I learned this from a documentary on arrows and their make a few years ago. A specific museum had helped in figuring the old method out because they wanted to perfectly reconstruct a few true burning arrows from the pieces we had found til then that they had in their exhibits. The exact lenght of the arrows and their correct fuel were what took them the longest to figure out, if I remember correctly.
For the John Wick 4 scene, they're using a thin arrowhead - smaller than a broadhead, stouter than a bodkin - along with some special iridescent sci-fi metal to signify that they're armor piercing. A later scene shows one pierce through a ceramic tile wall.
also it's stucco not stone.
As far as I know John Wick isn’t a fantasy or sci fi film so everything you just said is still bullshit.
Being an Archer myself, it is possible to get an arrow stuck in concrete. I have done that a few times and a few of my arrows are still usable afterwards.
Thank you for the update, Insider..!! Archery rocks..!!
Loved that William Tell joke at the end.
Wonder if he’s ever seen “The Adventures of Robin Hood” with Errol Flynn and his thoughts. It’s hard for me to understand this film not being considered. A classic.
The stunt actors were actually shot by an archer on set with only a thin layer of wood and cloth padding to stop the arrow. The impact of the arrows on screen are almost palpable to the audience and it is part of the reason the film holds up.
Imagine being the guy dying at 4:59 "He died as he lived, screaming like some sort of satanic goat."
pretty sure all the "issues" pointed out with the orc archer from LOTR were specifically added to convey that it's a very heavy and powerful bow.
More of this series please! ❤
Surprised that the Kevin Costner’s Robin Hood was thought of so highly by him. It’s been one of my favorite movies, even though I realize so many people mock it. Had a recurve for several years. I got so frustrated with it, because I couldn’t get consistent. I bought an inexpensive compound; and now I’m not an expert, but I can be accurate up to 30 yards and still at least hit somewhere on the target at 50. I pull out the recurve every once in a while, but soon remember how frustrating it is for me.
sounds like your problem are the arrows. you changed the bow but i guess you use the same arrows for both bows? Each bow type and poundage need different arrows. in general, the higher the poundage, the stiffer and thicker and heavier the arrow needs to be. or else the "wobble" the "expert" mentioned will drastically influence your accuracy. the type of the bow and the length of your arm also take a role how long the arrow should be. If you have no real teacher, most people never learn how big of a deal the right arrow is for anything longer than 30 yards.
“If you can see through it you can shoot through it” this sounds like a boot camp intro 😂🤣👌🏽
But not quite accurate. On many 3D parcours there are stations where you have to shoot through a gap to hit a target that is unseen, because its lower.
Mr. Kent is hilarious and informative ❤😂 great video
0:58 'Why would you lick it?' 1:07 'Feathers come in two flavours' 😆 /teasing
Jim also makes really wonderful bow strings.
They are still using flaming arrows to this day in the civil sector to light burning chambers up after their yearly maintenance. Because the trash-burning ovens are so large (about 20x20m) it’s the safest way to do it - although the newly built ones have a remote-ignition system now so it’ll be a thing of the past at some point.
Good fun. Jim is incredibly informative, but veering on the side of generous with his marks. The John Wick clip is stoopid beyond stoopid!!
One thing I noticed in Mockingjay Part 1 is that one of the fighters they shoot down with archery crashes into the field hospital Kat just visited.
Good to see Grizzly Jim! My old Bear recurve sports one of his bowstrings; highly recommended.
In Robin Hood Prince of thieves, I assume why he bites the one side of feathers off of the arrows , is so that the remaining feathers on the other two sides will guide it in the two different directions of the two guys on the horses. Now if that would work in real life? Well I don’t know, but that’s where my mind went automatically.
I think that he did it because when shooting two arrows at the same time the feathers push the arrows apart. Therefor ripping one off probably the bottom feather of the arrow on top this would make it so that they rest against the other smoothly and they will fly straighter. It also causes the arrow with the ripped feather to fly in a different way (see reply to @Alex.Ost.2001)
At that short distance you can rip all feathers of the arrow and it will still hit in the same spot as a feathered arrow, assuming both are straight and weight the same. Also natural feathers are soft and compress, unlike the plastic vanes used on modern bows, so they would not have enough power to push against the force provided by the bow. As Jim mentioned the real problem is, that for the bow you are now shooting an arrow that weighs double that of a normal arrow, so 2 arrows mean half the power for both. I shoot two arrows from time to time, as people coming for courses always ask about that scene. So yes it works, you can get quite accurate. The problem I have mainly because I do not shoot it so often is, that I am much faster shooting one arrow after the other, then fumbling around getting 2 arrows on the string and not knocking them off when drawing. Arabic manuals also talk about shooting multiple arrows, but never mention the advantage of doing that. I see only disadvantages, less power needing much more skill and practice to get it, the shooting 2 arrows in quick succession.
yes that is true in my experience shooting two feather fletch arrows together right on top of each other so you don't put one finger in between the two knocks and one on the other sides of them they will push slightly when that close and it can cause them to spread at a small angle of about 10-15 degrees off the bottom arrow laying at 0/180 degrees. @@thomaskurz5617
loved your comments. I'm an archer and have a #50 recurve. What gets me, is archers holding a fully drawn war bow for minutes waiting for the order to release. i can hold full draw for,,,,,say 10 seconds, but NOT minutes.Distance? i get 200 metres.
I'm glad to see the King Arthur clip talked about. I really enjoyed seeing the setup and slow-motion release. It's what I wish The Hunger Games had given.
Thanks for this. I am a Tolkien fanatic and a keen archer, and a lot of the archery in LOTR is just sad bollix that could have been avoided with a weekend talking to the local field club.
The expert Jim Ken aka Grizzly Jim is a very nice, charitable grader. He gives high grades and praise to clearly ridiculous archery scenes. He's an English gentleman trying to be polite.
FUN FACT: Matt Damon took archery lessons from Lajos Kassai in Hungary, which is a very respectable thing in terms of tradition and archery, and as an actor it is rare for someone to show such humility for the role.
My partner has been working from one of the medieval Middle Eastern archery books, so it's always interesting to me to see firing multiple arrows at once, etc. It was definitely done for that place and time.
I like back quivers myself, but i also use the strap and harness to carry additional weapons and tools
I have a theory how Taskmaster’s bow works despite being collapsible. It likely has some high-power springs attached to the string where it meets the body of the bow to create tension while not relying on the construction of the bow.
I've used the the fletching that legolas uses as I like the style. When whipped they do make a noise similar to that in films. So much so at my club the set was dubbed "Hollywood arrows". They don't make it everytime though. My horsebow does creak, but it's the string rubbing against the wood horns.
Man, they really felt the need to censor the word "crap" in a video that shows people having their heads nailed to a concrete wall by arrows.
I'm not an archer, and never have been, but I've experienced what you refer to as 'target panic' when I used to do full bore rifle target shooting competitions. Exactly the same thing from a mental point of view! If the 'panic' sets in, it can end up taking well over a minute to actually take the shot, and in most cases, it's best to lower the rifle, take a few seconds to mentally 'reset', and then start the aiming process again. Perfectly fine doing that in a target shooting competition where time isn't critical, but no good for a hunter or sniper!
I've practised catching larp safe arrows ( they have a giant foam head instead of a tip) and even fired from a 30lb bow its very hard, these arrows slow down alot faster than real arrows do and I was still only able to catch them at around 35+ ft (they have an absolute maximum range of maybe 50-60ft if you lob shot)
I just came here to appreciate Jim's awesome vintage Citizen Aqualand dive watch.
“It’s probably going to explode on you” had me dying! For not caring about archery, I found this very entertaining.
and if you care like me it was amusing to embarrassing on his behalf. the so called expert has no clue about warbow archery.
175 yards can give you a pass through since you would have to arch the arrow, and as long as it is past the apex, gravitational acceleration will give it enough momentum and force to make up for the drag of the feathers. I use to specialize in long distance archery. But unfortunately a severe brain contusion and subsequent concussion has ended those days as my vision is affected.
Awesome video!
"if you can see through it, you can shoot through it" *bullet proof glass has entered the chat* Loved the video!
I myself am a master archer. After I was drafted by the government I once saved some people with my skills and then I saved some more people and I have a lot of trick arrows. Watching this video is not a benefit to me but to someone like you it can certainly help you. Good luck and let me know if you have any questions. 😊
8:10 Thanks for the context, now I know this is a sport archery expert x)
Feathers, as used in traditional arrow fletchings, have individual segments that have natural hooks which make them interlink to hold the feather together. You can stroke the feather to relink the segments, but it's best done with dampened fingers rather than dry. I assume him licking it was supposed to be fixing the fletching.
The English war bow was drawn to the ear, not the cheek, as with modern reflex bows; and the medieval war bow was D-shaped, not flat, as in the bow Costner is using.
I know a lot of far east cultures also drew back past the ear towards the shoulder rather than setting a nocking point on the cheek. Overdrawing seems to be pretty common for military context.
Oriental archers also tend to use the thumb-forefinger release, with a hooked thumb ring to engage the string.@@skyereave9454
In more Eastern style archery and mostly with shooting thumb style it's very common to draw further. It's definitely much more difficult to do when shooting Mediterranean style/3 finger. I have a Korean bow I draw to 31", a Mongol bow I draw to 33" and a Manchu bow that I draw to 36"
Counter point. Rob and co carrying around the equivalent of an M16 to hunt wabbit in the woods could get them noticed veeewwy veeewwy qwickly, so they stuck with the lighter gauge stuff. (I wasn't there, also didn't write the movie, but that would make sense to me)
I would like to note that canonically, the bow Lurtz uses in Lord of The Rings is an excessively powerful bow (like 250-300 pounds) and that is why it creaks like that. It is crudely made and expected to only last as long as their mission is supposed to take.
Would be interested to see him react to videogame archery
At its core, the saying “Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast” emphasizes the importance of accuracy, consistency, and a controlled pace in executing tasks. Contrary to popular belief, the fastest route to success isn't always about rushing headlong into tasks.. Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry. “It takes less time to do a thing right than to explain why you did it wrong.” ― Longfellow'
Target panic + the poundage taking a toll on a bow drawn for that long. The shaking seemed real, the actor probably felt his trapeze muscles burning heheheh
This man used to coach my uni hockey team
The proper term is "drag." The Parachute effect is also accurate and it's because it too creates drag by increasing surface area contact with the air.
I wish they did more of Legolas and Orlando Blooms archery
that guys rates so generously 😂😂 6/10 just for basically having a bow in the clip lol
about the eye closing, plenty of people ignore their only sligthly bad eyes, especially below -0.75 where far things are only a bit fuzzy and not everyone has equal sight on both eyes.. closing the bad eye can greatly improve your vision. you basically trade depth perception for clarity. squinting can further improve sharpness a tiny bit (pinhole method). also stress and exhaustion can lead to severe double vision at those extreme side-viewing angles. Jim seems to be lucky and not have those eye problems. I guess that's why he is professional archer material.
In Hollywood, a bow string has the resistance of a rubber band while shooting at 500 feet per second.
Jim is really generous with his scores. Multiple instances of drawing mediterranean finger style while letting the arrow fly across the thumb of the hand bow instead of off the knuckle (yes you, Legolas, Katniss, Zack Snyder, Marvel, Matt Damon, ... ). It simply doesn't work, as the arrow will flop off so easily. Fire arrows weren't used in combat (they only fly half the distance), they were meant to put things on fire or smoke out people. Ripping off a feather that's been tied to the shaft spirally, no idea how that's possible, Kevin.
From personal experience - arrows do produce a whizzing sound as they pass by, at least in slow-mo. I had my phone filming my target up close, and you can hear a whoosh sound as the arrow passes by. It's not as loud or as high pitched as in films, but it's there. I'm pretty sure the archers at Agincourt didn't fire in up at a high angle. It's likely they did direct shooting, that way you put as much power into the target as possible. It's unlikely they would penetrate plate even when shooting straigh at the target, let alone firing up in a high arc where air can strip energy from it. I use an "overdraw" technique when I shoot. I use quotes, because I kinda suspect that calling that type of draw "overdraw" is relatively modern. Bows were for killing, you wanted as much power kill whatever you were shooting. Those extra 4 inches you can get from an overdraw can add a significant amount of power to a shot. Plus, it let's you use more of your back muscles, at a more modern draw they aren't fully utilized. It's harder to be precise, yes, but you can learn to shoot really well and use other parts of your body as substitute anchors. They aren't as precise, but with relatively little practice I was able to place arrows in a 30cmx30cm box at 30 meters (and that's with me being out of shape and an hour or two of practice).
I have gotten arrows stuck in cement pillars, but anything production in the city setting would be sturdier mixes and I would argue it wouldn’t stick as you mentioned.
Here's more movies that were overlooked. 300. THE ADVENTURES OF ROBIN HOOD. AVATAR. THE AVENGERS. BRAVEHEART. DANCES WITH WOLVES. ENTER THE NINJA. GLADIATOR. THE LAST SAMURAI. ROBIN HOOD, 2010.
Not overlooked, just not his focus yet
Great vid and comentary.
11:44 Well I do, it wouldn't be effective at all. Eastern style bows are way more gentle than you would think, it would snap after maybe 3 hits and you would be left with no weapon. One thing I always heard from my teacher as I was learning archery (Traditional Turkish archery btw) is that we should be kind and gentle towards our bows, when we are not shooting we would put the tip of the bow on top of our shoes so the force wouldn't change the shape of it. It's THAT delicate.
He mentioned the battle of Agincourt (part of a 100 year war). That battle was won by English archers over a much bigger French army, but not by shooting arrows. They lured the french heavy knights and cavalry into a bottom of a valley, essentially a swamp, where the guys in heavy armour could hardly move because of all the deep mud. Then the english archers (with pretty much 0 armour) moved in with knives and killed the whole lot. Quite fascinating tactics from a military point of view.
Very interesting and entertaining video. But man do I wish my teachers were as generous graders as you, when I was at school (even the most unrealistic scene gets a 6 / 10 😂)
Black Widow got 4/10
Shame I can’t post pics cause I used to do horseback archery… and it be cool to hear if I was correct or not or what have you. It was very cool. I used a Hungarian bow….
Dude the target panic is insane with hunting, like when I say I shake uncontrollably when I see a deer, my first time I got a deer you would have thought I was having a seizure
An unexpected opportunity to let fly at work. I had no wrist guard and forgot it. That first strike to my wrist numbed it so completely that 24 more arrows hit the hay bale and 24 more strings to the wrist before I noticed the goose egg.
I've been shooting bows since I was six... and this guy is right.
Holding a full draw on a 150-180 lb warbow is basically impossible. Draw and Loose!
Great video, would have loved to see his take on Larse Anderson and the Robin hood movie with Taron Egerton in it.
From memory he does not hold Mr Andersen in high regard (and rightly so).
Deliverance is the movie with the banjo scene!! Should I watch it? Is it any good? Didn't know it was also an archery movie!
I thought it was a romance…….
I had to watch it in college English class. It’s not a fun film.
The most generous ratings in insider history
When he is talking about archery being a slow and meticulous art that requires time for the right shot with high accuracy that is not always the case. This can be shown with the Comanche style of archery shooting coins out of the air and insects of grass stalks while also being able to repeat this 2-4 times in less than 5 seconds depending on the skill of the archer in question Lars Andersen had video on this showing this skill he was able to shoot 3 arrows and hit 3 coins from probably 10-15 feet in 1.5 seconds.
Lars Anderson is a joke
When talking seriously about archery using Mr Andersen does not strengthen your argument. In fact, it does quite the opposite. That tip is free.
Yes! That's what I was going to say. I've watched Lars Andersen demonstrate some contradictory opinions and techniques to this video and I'm inclined to side with Lars.
@@jrytacct lars is an absolute joke lol any real archer sees that gimmicky bullshit for exactly what it is
@@ostensiblegoosethief1305 Please explain how. I've watched him.
He licks the arrow because he noticed the camera coming in for a close-up of his face obviously. And I always thought Robin Hood tore the fletching off his arrow to make that one not fly straight. I don’t know if that’s what would actually happen though… especially at such short distance. Then again, any further away and there’s no telling where a turning arrow might go. If it would actually turn..
I have shot arrows with flaming stuff wrapped around the front and it worked. But it’s so front heavy that it’s horrible to aim, it just plops to the ground. Having said that my recurve is only 35 pounds. A stronger bow might propel the arrows so much it leaves the rag behind like he said 🤷🏼♀️
Shadiversity made a good video about that. put it in the search.
Would love to see a discussion with lars anderson. Traditional archer verses close quarters archer.
The reason he ripped the feathers off the arrow with his teeth is so that it wouldn't fly straight along with the other arrow thus going into the other target. It allows it to take a different flight path and curve.
No
The anchor points on all of the movie scenes are very modern style anchor points for use with a compound bow. Shooting a war bow you may draw as much a 35 inches if you’re capable of it, and anchor around your ear. If you watch someone like Joe Gibbs shoot you’ll notice they pull the string almost behind their head
Absolutely adore this reaction. He is obviously an archer. I've been shooting for over 25 years and the way he talks is 100% archer. The only issue I have is over the Battle of Agincourt. They weren't all English Archers. Most of the archers were Welsh so you are denying a whole nation of one of their greatest battles
English victory, not Welsh. Bryn Glas is arguably the greatest Welsh victory.
What history are you learning? The Welsh invented the long bow and dominated that war. Not the English. Agincourt was the most famous battle the English never fought and won@@connor94
@@robbpatterson6796 Well, it wouldn't be the first time the English took credit for someone else's work. :)
They fought under an English flag though, did they not?
There is also apparently very little evidence supporting volley fire, as it was unlikely to have any effect on armored target. Firing your arrows high in the air is a waste of a finite resource (arrows) that you will need over the course of a long battle.
Really was hoping to see Hawkeye or Arrow on here
That's not a movie
10/10 for the boxing glove arrow
You can actually see a cage for materials at the base of the arrowheads for the special arrows in the Horizon games.