Graeme Souness SUPPORTS VAR's Decision To DISALLOW Wolves' Goal Against West Ham! 😱❌
2024 ж. 7 Сәу.
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Are clubs right to be publicly critical of VAR? talkSPORT's Jim White, Simon Jordan and Graeme Souness have their say!
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The whole reason the defender is told to stand there is to put the keeper off, simple as that. Fabianski probably wouldn't have saved it, but it's a massive distraction having someone stood right in front of you and hinders the ability to dive properly, he was offside, end of.
Spot on
If that’s the case how come he didn’t react when the goal was given, simple as that. He even agreed with O’Neil the goal should have stood!
Micky Antonio has had more than a few decisions go against him for doing the exact same thing so the ref got it right if we're talking about consistency also
If that was allowed what's to stop players jus boxing a keeper it creates bad football if a player is seen blocking a keeper shud b a red card cause it's bad sportsmanship
@@andyhinton9924 cos he’s not stood on the line and he’s marginally offside, how is he to know he was off?
Funny how they only go on about the Wolves disallowed goal but never seem to mention that West Ham also had a perfectly good goal chalked off in the same match 🤔
I love how people are trying to say someone isn’t offside if the goalkeeper wasn’t going to save it. What kind of rubbish is that? So every time Messi hits an unstoppable shot it’s fine to have someone blocking the keeper in an offside position because he wasn’t gonna save it? There have been some terrible VAR decisions this season but this isn’t one of them.
Some bloke tried to tell me that he couldn't be offside because he didn't touch the ball, ha ha ha
Offside, the player is put in that position to hinder and block the keeper view and to stop them from coming out and collecting ball, just because the header was good enough to have probably beaten the keeper doesnt come into it, as he was hindered by a player that was Offside from getting the best possible reaction time to attempt and get the ball.
It was offside. End of.
'offside position', not offside. You got that wrong.
So a person standing in the middle of the goal in front of the keeper, 1 yard off the goal line is not actively affecting any aspect of what the goalkeeper could do? So lets allow 4 or 5 players surround the goalkeeper and then allow Kilman to head the goal and allow them all to be standing in offside positions. You've got it wrong!
No need to hold the goalkeeper, but he did, and he was in a offside position impeding the goalkeeper from attempting to save the ball… I mean its embarrassing it’s not that hard to understand that 😂
That Arsenal fan was Chris from AFTV wasn't it? 😂
@@oliprj8676 off side for tv watchers maybe
Never really understood the outrage from Gary O’Neil over the incident. I personally thought it was offside and therefore the right decision.
Wolves player cheated regarding Emerson’s goal getting it overturned. There was almost zero contact and the cheat went over and rolled around rubbing his calf which was never touched by Emerson. The wolves disallowed goal was off side because the player intended to affect play by staying in front of fabianski while in an off side position. Had the player moved aside or turned away from play showing no intent to affect play then maybe the goal would not have stood. It’s the wolves player at fault for not realising the situation.
Try specsavers, Emerson trod on semado!
@@out0fdarknes if emerson touched him it was the minimalist of contact on the heel and hardly detectable on tv or on the var. it was a harsh decision and Semado went don’t clutching his calf not his foot. Cheat dived and got away with it.
I have no axe to grind either way, but the position of the Wolves' player, ie: standing within touching distance of the opposing team's goalkeeper and facing directly away from the goal and all times, can only be interpreted as him deliberately wanting🎉 to impead the goalkeeper. This may be "all part of the modern game", but it is cheating and the sooner it is stamped out the better. Well done to the referee for taking a stand.
Correct decision
Not sure why there's so much controversy about this! The ref is completely justified in disallowing the goal!
It’s all broken, the Emerson goal shouldn’t have been disallowed either?!
Accidentally took out our full back by treading on his heel. Foul.
Well said Souness..... The rules are the rules and the bloke was clearly offside and interfering with Fabianskis view
Look at the side picture, he is not interfering with Fabianskis view, Fabianksi is not 5'0".
Man City goal earlier this season!!!!
VAR taking 5 minutes to decide something we see in seconds. American audience need their ad breaks 🤔
Exactly, said that from the off, it will happen here too. All designed to maximise advertising, profit, revenue. Always follow America in pursuit of dollar opportunity.
thats what it is heading for
the chap was offside. unfortunately the fact that Fabianski wouldn't have been able to get to the ball isn't a factor. Not being able to celebrate a goal is nonsense, the ball hits the back of the net and supporters will celebrate then get pulled back for VAR
Nothing wrong with call.
It was not a goal. Fabianski can't move to attempt to make a save because his space is blocked and his view. West Ham also had a decent headed goal by Emerson ruled out because he landed on the defender's heel after heading it in and another dubious penalty awarded against them.
lol I think you will find Emerson stood on Semedo's foot way before he headed the ball - sorry if it contradicts the narrative.
Tampering with the rules is the main problem , they seem to want to make football more complicated than it used to be
Jordan & Souness = Top LADS Proper Clobbers ✊✊
Spectre, Simon and Souness = Top LADS Proper Clobber
@@sammybeck4855 Sir Sammy Beck = Top LAD Proper Clobber 💯 Facts
😂😂 you mean TALK a load of cobblers!😂😂
I want to look like Graeme Souness at 70!
No, ex pros would be even worse….
It drives me crazy every time I hear some pundit saying there should be an ex-pro is the VAR box. The pundits on shows can never agree on certain decisions.
Scrap var, better to have five officials on the pitch as in 4 linos and if the ref can’t see an incident he consults his other officials on the pitch to get a consensus.
Just bring in a rule that var have 60 seconds to overturn the ref cuz if it takes any longer it clearly is not clear and obvious
Old Jim loves a long question doesn't he. 😂
He never stops for breath
The referee’s job is to reach decision having interpreted and applied rules, VAR is to provide support to this process. With the Wolves goal was the referee miles out in his interpretation? No, he wasn’t! Maybe some pundits and managers should referee a live game and see how their instant assessment and application of rules goes down.
Var is great for the game. The majority of Refs either get intimidated by home crowds or bottle a decision. Var corrects their incompetence. Quicken the decisions then alls good.
Good convo!
The next evolution of VAR should be having a separation of referees. Have referees exclusively for VAR and referees exclusively for on the pitch.
Is Sammy Lee still not offside ...? West Ham fans still want to know.
Should all move on now
The rule says nothing about whether the goalkeeper will save it or not. Is he offside? Yes. Is he in the keepers line of sight? Yes. So letter of the law is he is offside. That is the rule. Ref gives the goal he goes against that rule. Is it harsh because the keeper isn't going to get there? Yes but its the rule. I can guarantee you that if Wolves had been 2-1 up and West Ham had scored that goal there is no way on earth Gary O Neill and Wolves fans will shrug their shoulders and say it was a good goal.
Nobody going to mention the west ham goal when Kurt the cat kicker stood in front of Jose sa giving him no room to move. Var didn't even look at it
This offside scenario has happened many times in the past so why the uproar about this one! Correct decision.
Tony Scholes.... And, when your VAR people bring the game into disrepute, what happens?
We’re so jealous of how bad your VAR is in the premier league 🤣
I’m just wondering what was irritating Graeme so much at the beginning of this video??
His chair squeaking
His t shirt was too tight
Beautiful episode
VAR or technology is not the issue. It’s that the rules are so subjective. Offside has become a matter of opinion, handball has become a matter of opinion, even fouls are subjective (has there been sufficient contact for a player to go down). When it comes down to a matter of opinion, there will always be disagreement. Fix the rules first.
so Antonio backing into Jose sa and knocks him down stopping him being able to make the save from a corner which is hard enough to see without a huge striker knocking you over.. The wolves score form 5 yards away directly infront of Fab which he has no contact from a any player but that goal is disallowed?
Graham is right. We need better referees because the standard today is awful. Also ex-footballers or at least people who truly understand the game to view the incidents. Var is a good idea but at the same time it's ruining the game. Something needs to change.
Regardless of how you view the decision if this had been given against Liverpool at Anfield Souness would be losing his mind 😂
Take the game back to what we had. A progressive growing forward game that no one wants to change.
It's not just Wolverhampton Wanderers it's all 20 clubs officials do not respect.
You can’t blame a piece of technology. Blame its operator (a human being.)
most of the technology is a replay button on a screen. Apart from basic offsides, technology plays no part in the actual decision making. It still comes down to human decisions, some will be 100% nailed down while others certainly go into a grey zone that will not make everyone happy. Until true AI can be set up with a standard algorithm for every scenario there will always be debate. Even when that happens people will complain that the settings are too biased one way or the other.
@@ajnz2420 SPOT ON.
Where Ai could be useful is offside…the advertising boards are all set to simply implant a small micro chip at the front and on the underside of every players boot…the foot should be the catalyst for offside, not a knee or elbow etc.
It was all going well for Souness, until the bias issue
God only knows how that Howard Webb is in a job, beyond me.
Jim White does my head in hes just a yes man.
Jim Simon and Graham what a team ❤
It was offside, the only people making a fuss as always are the team that had the correct decision given against them and MOTD. The rules show that any interference is offside and he was blocking the view and positioning of the goalkeeper, its offside. As for VAR, I think Souness is right and wrong, if you look at the stats provided by PGMOL it shows very high levels of correct decisions by referees, Souness is just saying things without substance - but he is right in that the issue isnt VAR its the rules, in the Wolves situation VAR wasnt the thing everyone should have been moaning at
Listen! With regard to any alleged increase in complaints about VAR decisions, all you have to do is ask (and answer) one question: how many West Ham players (or management) were unhappy about the Wolves goal being disallowed? Yet, next week it will be the turn of Hammers players to revolt en masse. Souness is right about the need to employ ex-players, though. A no brainer.
I had to Google who Winston Smith was 🤔 and I am still none the wiser 🤣
Always loved you graham
Can't comment on Goldstein's interview with Ince, but boy was he underrated
Simon, players and managers are accountable as they ultimately rise and fall on their performance. Referees have little or no accountability, here lies the problem
Absolute disgrace how they didn't give that goal is beyond me that's now 10 points taken of wolves through stupid ref decisions. These refs need to be sacked
“Get ex pros in” go on then Graeme?
It's the rules of football which is destroying football Once upon a time was what was the offside rule now its what's a handball
“Owners make mistakes, players make mistakes, managers make mistakes “ yes because they get one chance in real time. Where refs have a back up and replay. Simon stop comparing the mistakes as though they are equivalent
When there is a very tight offside call, VAR should get a maximum of 90 seconds to decide off / on. If no decision by then, the refs on-field decision should stand. A bit like ‘umpires call’ in cricket
var will get better , as will the ref , the play back speads are an issue when ref called to side for view
Ffs West Ham over the last few weeks had a load of these get over it wimp
I just dont believe it has to be an ex player that does var because 99% of the regular football fans know when the ref is making a howler of a desicion. The trouble also is that there seems to be no pragmatic or common sense decisions allowed by refs from the powers above that are making the rules
Grahame Souness spot on
Spot off.
Well he would because its not liverpool
My God, Jim White is an old windbag . . . . he’s taken 4 minutes to set up the subject for discussion 😱
Ex Pros.....watch any Football show or the Studio Pundits after a game, the ex Pros frequently disagree about Penalties, Red Cards and other major decisions. Most current and ex Players are biased either for their past Clubs or players they're friends with. No other Sport has this problem with ex players thinking they know the rules better than match Officials.
Great one guys.... better to have things reviewed.. then not at all.. pick your poison
If you interpret the rule literally then he is offside But that means every situation like that must also be interpreted in the same way. I don't think that should be the case. The rule should change. We must give referees room for interpretation and interpret their own decisions based on how they see it. You won't get consistency but you will get more referees who will probably give that goal. The thing is, you cannot have it both ways. Both aren't perfect so choose.
rule should never change mid way through the season, would create more mess than it would fix
Showing himself up gary o neil just lately
17:11 Spot on. Refs are the issue on the whole, not the tech. Graeme gets it. Simon refuses to admit refs are bias and incompetent.
Heaps of pros don't know that rules, that's bleeding obvious especially from some of the comments from ex pro pundits. It's what the rule book says that counts, not the views of those who play the game. Opinions don't come into it. The rules need to have an overrider that gives discretion of interpretation to referees based on outcome deemed to be in the spirit of the game. Problem solved.
spot on!
The bigger story is South-Shields fc scored 7...yes 7 on Saturday.. up the mariners 😃😃😃😃😃
The referees are awful in the Premier League. 6 games now this season decisions have gone against Wolves. The West Ham goalkeeper wouldn't have saved that goal he was beaten all hands out.
Update: Newcastle vs Spurs. For the fourth goal Guimares is blocking the line of sight of Tottenham's goalkeeper while standing in an offside position.....! As everyone is noting, exactly the same was disallowed for Wolves in effect by the referee Tim Robinson who was in that wonderful VAR office. Yesterday he was on the pitch. Clueless. What do you have to say about that Graeme Souness?
We all fell in love with the beautiful game, they are turning it ugly with analytics and tampering. The rate they keep making changes to rules and tech it will look like nothing like the sport we grew up with. Who is behind all these rules changes? Who is lobbying this? Americanisation of our sport? We want the FLOW of the game back and we want the spirit of football to return but I fear it's too late. The cheating/professionalism is more rampant than ever, the entertainment is less. Players are mugging off referees who never played the game themselves.
I don’t understand these fans who are convinced that Gary Neville hates Arsenal. He literally tipped us to win the title this season
That doesn't mean he likes you . He's tipped city and Liverpool to win it plenty of times aswell
@@oliprj8676 errr maybe because in previous seasons city & Liverpool were the most likely winners? Even as good as arsenal were last season up until March, the fall away was too predictable to back Mikel Artetas team? Jesus put your noggin in gear buddy
Graeme is 71? As a United fan I love him 😂 but that’s maybe cos I’ve never seen him play but can’t belive he’s 71
I’m old enough to have seen him play for Middlesbrough against West Ham 😂
@@chairmanalf7856 I’m only 20 pal 😂 but I think he’s mint, proper old school aswell, it was a shame when he left sky
Rubbish ther ref and var are talking to each other while the ref views it via the screen
17:10 is he in the toilet
Simon Jordan again talking about stats to justify his opinion. Well don't talk the talk without presenting the stats you claim back up your opinion. SHOW US THE STATS YOU CLAIM PROVE VAR HAS IMPROVED IN GAME DECISIONS.
VAR is bringing the game into disrepute. All real fans - those who actually go to matches - totally hate it. Scrap it now!
The same real fans who bring the game into disrepute by their boorish behavior towards opposition players and fans. What a great example these real fans set to the kids in the stand.
@@ajnz2420 Yes some of us actually go to the live games. Like it or not we are the lifeblood of football and without us the game would become an utter irrelevance.. And for those who think football is something you just casually watch from your armchair then I guess it's hard to understand the passion and the raucousness. Not in front of the children anyway!
Var is supposed tp be for clear and obvious errors. If it takes 5 minutes with all the cameras to decide then its not a clear and obvious error in the first place
To all the jealous refs and other teams i know nobody can believe that wolves are playing better football than all the clubs in the premier League they are the best English team ever come on wolves we can still obtain Europe
Simon Jordan chats some shite
VAR is wrecking football the decisions in loads of matches this season has been a disgrace.
I watched a 10 minute highlight video of UTD vs Juve 1999 CL semi final the other evening. Mate, the amount of basic offsides that were missed in that match was unbelievable. I think VAR has actually made us more aware of offsides in real time. I am not saying that is a good or bad thing.
Why don't they put the goal keeper in a bubble then anyone touching the bubble the ref can blow the whistle bloody ridiculous,
It's like the UTD pens over the last couple of games, all 3 pens were avoidable by players making better decisions. The corner would have been a pre-planned move, the guy assigned to block the keeper had to know he needed to get onside from first contact. I could go either way with the decision but the ultimate blame sits with the player.
It is a funny game when.nobody in the ground thought there was a problem until the TV review it
Like nearly all offsides then
Simon crying because referees don’t have respect keep crying they don’t deserve respect
ffs hes the only one in the country that thinks VAR was right
It isn't offside. 1. You can't be offside from a corner. 2. So the point to look at this for offside is when Kilman heads the ball & only then. 3. At this point the goalkeeper can clearly see the ball. 4. The goalkeeper isn't obstructed at point of contact by Kilman. 5. The ball goes nowhere near Chirewa. 6. The goalkeeper can move left, right, in front of Chirewa etc, but chooses not to. 7. Chirewa isn't obstructing the goalkeeper & hasn't prevented him getting to the ball at point of contact from Kilman. Goal should have stood.
Absolute rubbish. Not a single point made there was valid. You must be watching basketball or playing by Aussie rules.
How can you say that he isn’t obstructing the goalie when he’s literally standing on his toes. Maybe you should look at the goal Caicedo scored against Tottenham from 30 yards out that was disallowed by VAR for Jackson offside standing on the 18 yard line and not being in front of the keeper
@@markst.george4913 Nah not rubbish, but facts, based on truth and the laws of the game of football. Not my rules. The officials got it wrong. Goal should have stood. Forget what's happening before corner is taken, that's irrelevant, it's from when ball hits Kilman's head & from that moment every point made is valid and true. It's not offside by the laws of the game, you are only seeing a player stood in an offside position and getting confused. The goalkeeper's vison was not obstructed and he wasn't obstructed to getting to the ball in anyway from the moment it hits Kilman's head, which from a corner is the only point you can look for an offside. The ball goes nowhere near Chirewa and goalkeeper isn't obstructed in any way shape or form. Goal should stand based on current law.
@@liberalslayer7220 What have you seen? Standing on his toes? You can fit a whole person between the goal keeper and the player.
Not in the keepers space,not hindering his vision bonkers decision
The guy was literally standing on the keepers toes...wtf are you talking about😂😂😂
😂😂
@@thunderjoy7250 Are you blind?
Anyone who knows football will know the keeper wasn't being obstructed
Offside ⚒
@@jamiespriggs984dingles mate there thick
Correct. Also there was nothing wrong with the West Ham goal that was disallowed either 👍
@@robertanderson6776says the bloke that can’t spell “they’re” properly , you’re the thick one 😆😆
Just look at what players do to the Tottenham goalkeeper during corners that refs and VAR completely ignore. Yet for reasons unknown here, they choose to involve themselves! Pathetic.
I'm a no one Simon & I can live perfectly fine without any kind of mobile phone, never mind a bloody iPhone 15. Likewise, as an old fella, I lived just fine, enjoying football matches over many a year without VAR & its ruinous effect on that enjoyment. A referee's decision being final was simple & effective & it could still be...'cept, like the unnecessary gadget you compare it to, it's all about money these days of course.
It was a goal...Emerson hardly touched him.
He didn't touch him at all 👍