Who's Your MVP? | The Inside the NBA Crew Get Into Heated Debate Over MVP Candidates | NBA on TNT
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Chuck, Shaq, Kenny and EJ talk MVP frontrunners and the debate heats up 👀
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“anyone with two letters in their name isn’t real” chuck got me in stitches 😂
Like this man doesn’t have an entire real name
Cmon man. Don't tell me I am not real.
Lol Most people have two letters IN their name.
@@kantofriedchicken3742 Is this KD's burner?
@@EastofVictoriaPark what do you mean?
"You're the worst analogist, ever." Shaq had me cracking up with that one
😂😂😂 it’s true cause Vanilla Ice?
Was he talking about himself 🤷🏾♂️
@@hoodfella166 Actually growing up in the 80's the only two rappers I knew was Vanilla Ice and M C Hammer. So he was in the mvp convo during the 80's. His song even got in the Ninja Turdles movie.
@@beetlejuice4357 🤦🏿♂️
It was a terrible analogy. In music there are plenty of examples where someone with no talent has a hit single or album. You can’t get lucky and accidentally stumble your way into the NBA MVP conversation.
Love the "uncles at a cookout" vibe these guys always give. Just fun to watch knowledgeable guys make their case
I was thinking the barbershop in Coming to America" but same vibe :-)
And Ernie is black so it's a perfect chemistry
They’re not knowledgeable tho. Just cause you played doesn’t automatically mean you have all the information. They need someone with the information to help guide their actual serious basketball discussions. They just talk past each other. Entertaining but not informative.
@@ismailmohamud12 My man, you don't win MVP in the NBA if you don't understand basketball.
Jokic is having the best season by numbers, and I agree with Shaq. It’s an individual award not a team award, it’s not one players responsibility for how an entire team is doing. What is more valuable, a team to be in 3rd instead of 4th? Or a team to be in 6th instead of 15th?
Jordan basically got looked over time and time again for MVP his first few years in the NBA because his team didn’t win and even during the mid years when they were winning. What that tells me is it isn’t all about numbers. It’s about effecting your teammates production as well due to your presence on the floor.
@@user-xe5fz6se9j exactly, the value of a player should usually translate into winning
Team success and record always plays a part in who is actually awarded the MVP.
Jokic won MVP ahead of Steph last season because of this same criteria (goal post) you are shifting. Please keep the same energy this season! Respectfully.
@@im_kwamz Not trying to shift any goal posts. The MVP award is really meaningless, and is intended to be ambiguous. I am just going off how the award has been historically awarded. Had Steph managed to take that undermanned team to a sixth seed or higher last year, he most likely would have gotten it over Jokic in my opinion.
The nuggets are only afloat because of Jokic. What Jokic is doing with Walmart cashiers and Uber drivers on his roster without a single complaint is admirable
Bit disrespectful but got your point 😂
Lol
Don’t play with Bizzy Bones like that .
so is emlegend
Compazzo carries Jokic
Their MVP debates are always good
Facts.
The same every year 😂
@@mr.awesome8021 Shaq and Chuck with samely different points about what should qualify as the mvp yrs after yrs and yet we never get bored of it. Gotta love these guys!
It always breaks down into defining what it means to be an MVP
Actually 🔥💯
Jokic leads Denver in ppg, apg, rpg, spg, bpg, fg% and I'm not sure about 3pt% but he's definitely close. He has almost 2x than the second best in each of the five major statistical categories. MVP.
I’m glad Charles brought up Embiid. I don’t think he’s the front runner, but I haven’t seen people giving him credit for how unbelievable he’s been playing recently. Definitely in my top 3 right now.
They did the same with Mitchell a couple years ago
They always bring him up when he plays and then he gets injured and we always go in circles about him. He is walking injury
@@darkotosic3637 only missed games with covid this year he's lost weight and he's staying healthy
Yup...and now. 3 weeks later. Embiid has move to the front of the MVP race.
@@magmax76 Just to play trash in the playoffs... embid is a fraud MVP
Shaq is so careful,he could have dissed vanilla ice so easy when they brought him up,but he didn't fall for the Bait 😂😂😂
Vanilla Ice has been the MVP of that year. What's controversial with that? Drake didn't exist when Vanilla was there.
@@Hello_BeautifulPeople Facts
Kenny's sold me in. Vanilla Ice is my MVP for this season.
One hit Wonder
Ice Ice Baby. And Jean Mourat, Charles's candidate.
@@cjfrm3658 It's because he was white AND had a hit song.
Ninja rap from tmnt II was good
@@PorkBelly- It wasn't good, it was popular. lol.
Chuck always has me DYING 😂 “Just kidding Ja Morant!”
Jokic has the potential to be the new Tim Duncan, the guy who is incredibly skilled, goes unnoticed but consistently gets it done & is immensely appreciated by basketball heads who don't buy into only the hype. The organisation just has to find a way to build a spurs-like organisation as they did with Duncan, TP & Manu otherwise he'll be out of there. Personally, TD is in my top 4 all-time and the argument can be made that he had the most perfect career ever.
let's see the playoffs tho
@@rad8357 Right, that's why I said potentially, if he can somewhat achieve Duncans playoff success and win a few chips being the main guy then I think the comparison would make sense but yeah we need to see him have similar success first
what the spurs did doesnt' work anymore. as a team you have to pair multiple all stars superstars to compete. that's the new model
bucks last year was a major exception b/c everyone was injured
Only difference is Duncan was an All-Time great defender and Jokic is Average at D but will not hurt the team usually
The fact that chuck said “worst analogist ever” after Kenny brought up Cole Anthony with the magic 🤣💀
That was Shaq who said he was the worst analogist ever
@@PhdMusic03 Chuck agreed with him at the end.
Bro do better smh. How you getting this panel mixed up 🤦🏾
@@PhdMusic03 chuck said the same thing at the end of the clip
@@smn2300 he didn’t chuck said it at the end of the clip
Shaq defending Giannis like one Big Man to another. Respect 💯
Not just Shaq he was defending jokic too. Malone is right. He is the most disrespected MVP of all time. Giannis is up there too as well
He is not defending anyone he is just the only one making sense. Mvp is an individual award like he said . There is only so much a player can do to make a team win by himself.
@@Biteableraccoon He is bias because he is his coach, but nobody calling Giannis the best player in the league today either where he was flat ut MVP and Defensive player of the year contender and his 2nd best player is Middleton. The most disrespected is Giannis and it shows last year playoffs
Jokic is better then embiid, Jokic 25-14-7 Embiid 27-10-4 You mean to tell me he’s only scoring 2 more points then Jokic and 4 less and 3 less assists per game then embiid, not to mention Jokic is playing great defense this season and carrying a team full of injuries, and 2 out of their top 3 4 out, Shaq even backed Jokic up this video yes Shaq said embiid is the best right now as we speak. But like we say time and time again the season is not over, wait for Murray to come back and then MPJ regardless of regular season they’re gonna make noise in the playoffs. Jokic is carrying a team full of injured players to 6th in the west
Giannis is better than both
I love the chemistry between Shaq and Chuck!! LOL They always make me laugh :)
There is a production stat the nuggets have with and without Jokic on the court. It’s staggering how bad they are when he is on the bench resting. He’s MVP
Chuck “no one walks around saying there number six” 😂. The best show on tv 🔥🔥🔥
Then Kenny “expect for the rockets” 😂😂
They are
If you're a numbers guy you should pick the 3rd player
@@shortie9103 AGREE JOKIC BEST STATS AND FG% PLUS NOT SCORING UNDER RIM ONLY LIKE GIANNIS THO GIANNIS IS BETTER 2 WAY BUT IM GO WITH JA MORANT HE CARRY TEAM NO ALLSTARS HELP AND HE IS 6'3
@@zzzvain9710 Ja better make all the noise he can now cause Zion bringing down the hammer when he come back
I could watch them debate all day long! 😂
NBA on ESPN and NBA TV will never come close to these guys…. EVER!!!
You have to understand what they are saying in the first place 🤣
@@abhinavpala1920 We understand
I was cry laughing listening to these fools tonight 🤣
7:02 Yes, Harden had. Averaged 29-11-8 while being more efficient than Westbrook and leading Rockets to 3rd seed behind GSW and SAS while having Eric Gordon as his best player
Unfortunately people just dislike harden's play style despite his greatness
And I.T
Dawg russ’s team was dookie my mans was averaging a 30 point td he deserved it his best teammate’s where oladipo and fcking steve adams
@@guymuhimbaze3703 30 on poor efficiency and infinite turnovers. Sounds like a guy on the Lakers roster now.
A Third place Harden led Hou team wasn't beating the first man to ave a Triple Double since Oscar Robertson.
When you talk about MVP you should talk about everything. When you talk about Steph you gotta mention his gravity, on off numbers, when you talk about Jokic you have to mention his advanced stats, efficiency, on-off numbers, when Jokic plays Nuggets are on pace to win 63 games and when he's on the bench the Nuggets play as an 11 win team.
Giannis and Joker have these stats in roughly 32-33 minutes per game and they are really close in numbers. It's quite obvious that they contribute the most to their teams respectively, with Bucks having the greater record however. So yes, when 2 players are this close stat-wise, wins should play a role. + The fact that EVERY defense in the league is literally afraid of Giannis, offense too.
I personally believe Jokic doesn't have enough wins to be in th discussion. Esp if we leaving out KD, Derozan etc
Combine everything you said with giannis’s improved passing ability and I agree he’s the front runner for mvp
@Javier Gonzalez also fair point. I have no doubt nuggets were on their way to western conf finals before the Murray injury
Giannis has a full roster and still 4th IN THE EAST. If he was missing Middleton and jrue all season the bucks would be lucky to make the playoffs. Nuggets 6th in THE WEST with no MPJ and no Jamal Murray at all this season. If winning should be weighted that much then derozan and cp3 should be the front runners.
@Javier Gonzalez but he does have them . We have to go on facts not hypotheticals lol
Shaq literally turned and fought against his own argument there. And what makes it so funny is that silent moment of realization they all had.
😂😂😂
I dont think he hurt his arguement i think his arguement is valid.. Russel Westbrook should have never won mvp being a loosing team.. People say derrick rose is the worst mvp in history... When d rose was selected he was putting up the best # that year while winning. And he had role players aroind him at that time... But hes,the worst,mvp ever cause of # its bs man.. The award and what constitutes the decision of winning is always changed.. I really think it should be a basis of the players #s... Give an award for the best regular season team if your gonna include a teams winning percentage in a most valueable player award
@@jesseortiz45 wouldnt that make the players just go stat padding just to win the MVP race and dont mind losing games
@@daimaru03 i mean if you want to be a mvp and dont care about being a winner getting championship rings more power to them ... Cause really winning is what matters the most this league..
@@jesseortiz45 yeah my point is the mvp should also be about how you help the team's record imo
Jokic is by far the best player, he doesn't have any true scorer in his team and he is still managing to put up incredible numbers
You're delusional. They're barely above .500. All his value comes from the offensive side of things. Giannis plays the least minutes and is a force on both sides. Not even close.
It’s not that hard to put good numbers up on a bad team
@@chrisvalentine2740 How? He's second in defensive BPM, is 4th in most contested shots in the league and his opponents shoot 7% less on FGs when he's guarding them. Nuggets defense is one of the best in the league with him on court and is THE worst when he's off the court. Don't go along with the stereotype. Man deserves all defense this year
@@roostarhead3353 He's taking less shots than Embiid and Giannis wym?
Chuck says you have to help your team win... Jokic's on/diff with the nuggets is +22.9. The man has the team in 6th with two of the best starters out. If that's not helping your team win then I don't know what is
8 triple doubles as of last night too, most players won't hit 8 triple doubles in their careers and it's onky halfway though the season for Jokic...
I've heard that when the Joker plays the Nuggets are a 60 wins team, with him off the floor they are on pace for a 11 wins season. How's that for value?
Serbia STRONK
Yeah and I hear without their point guard being healthy they’re going to get swept in the playoffs😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
As a Dubs fan, I still gotta go with Giannis. Steph’s getting back to playing better defense, but Greek Freak is an animal.
Definitely not His team isnt as good Curry didn't have an all star all year
@@lebronblew5finalsnottop5ne22 bud if you looked at the actual voting you would notice that as of right now wiggins and klay are top 4 in their categories, no other buck is top ten 🤡🤡🤡
@@lebronblew5finalsnottop5ne22 Warriors have killed it in games where steph played bad or was out.
@@aidanc8075 So you start to put your belief to those dumb fans votes now? Lol. Tho I agree Steph's been falling off the cliff in the mvp race. He's been cold since December. Giannis, KD, Demar, Embiid, and Ja should fill the top 5 as of now.
@@iMacxXuserXx485 That's a lie tho mate.. If you mean when he's mediocre (meaning when he has nights like 8/21 or 22 shooting attempts) then I agree they still able to win those gms. It's when he shot horribly when they tend to lose games. Nights like 4/21, 7/28, 5/21 with the only exception I think when they won against Miami as Poole was going off that night with 32 points.
I think the problem is everybody has their own measuring tape when it comes to what is a MVP. If there was a solid, good definition of this, 90% of the arguments would fly out the window.
By Shaq’s theory Jokic should be mvp
Jokic probably should be the MVP
He should be! He's single handedly keeping his team out of the play in tournament!
I completely agree brothers, i just said it cus i find it funny he is obviously the mvp but they didn’t really even talk about him
@@soundwriter3083 no
well last time I checked jokic is the current MVP so I don't get what's so funny
Giannis and KD been killing it all year…..they never had a fall off period
Kd always been playing good, great in fact. But in no way is he on giannis’ level.
KD leads the league in a scoring with less team loses
@@mariosnum1fan I do agree that Giannis is better I’m just sayin he been killin it all year
@@mariosnum1fan you smoking some strong if you think Greek better than KD lol
@@mazzitrille5605 that’s his opinion bro sheesh.lol
Giannis' and KD's consistency over the year thus far is undeniable. They have to be the current frontrunners.
Yep giannis KD and joker front runners atm… Currys fallen off since he got the 3pt record
@@narutouzamaki136 I’d put embiid in there too, 76ers can’t win games without him
Jokic has been more consistent and had a heavier load than both of those guys
@@TheNamesDitto nuggets are 2 games above .500 stop it
@@TheNamesDitto the nets have the 3rd best winning percentage when KD plays this year, Jokic is 2 games over 😳
Id say giannis just because he seems to still be improving as a player while already being an MVP talent, that same case can be made for embiid and jokic too. Shoutout to Steph and KD too they killin it gonna be a good race this year!
I love these conversations. Just like kicking it in the barbershop 💈
Shaq is right. If you're leading your team to the playoffs then you should be in the MVP conversation. 05-06 Kobe should've won MVP but the lakers were the 7th seed. Jokic is having RECORD BREAKING numbers in all of nba history this year and is constantly disrespected for MVP bc his team is 6th in the west
Well, winning matters. Every players has an ability to put up great numbers but it doesn't matter if your team is losing. Perfect example would be Russell Westbrook way back in OKC days when he puts up great stats but is losing.
You are acting like Jokic is some great victim. Literally won MVP last year. Giannis has played at least as high a lvl. Giannis taking it. Winning gotta matter.
If we follow shaq, people will stat pad to win mvp. And the word "valuable" means youre valuable to the team. Your team is winning because of you. How can a losing team find value in one player.
kobe should not have won MVP in 06 lol.
Somebody on them bad teams gonna score 30!!!
Giannis over his last 9 games: 30pts 12 rebs 11 assists 26pts 13 rebs 8 assists 43pts 12 rebs 3 assists 31pts 7 rebs 9 assists 31pts 10 rebs 7 assists 35pts 16 rebs 10 assists 33pts 12 rebs 5 assists 28pts 6 rebs 6 assists 36pts 12 rebs 5 assists
The competition also matters. Some big games against top teams like the Nets and Warriors. They have a tough stretch with Memphis and Bulls. He shows up for those two he is the best player right now for sure.
There are legitimately 6-8 players who can be considered for MVP this year. Giannis, Steph, KD, Joker, Embiid, Derozan, Lebron.
LeBron missed too much time so I would replace him with Morant. I think Joker and Giannis should be top two and then Curry given who they haven't had due to injuries on their team. KD has Harden. Derozan had a stacked starting 5 right now and Embid also missed too much time. Consistency is important not just getting hot for the last month or so. I would put Giannis over Joker given record so both record and numbers count. I put Joker over Curry since you need to be a two way player adding to your how important you are but Curry is having an amazing year with 2nd and 3rd best players out with Klay just coming back which is why they are my top 3. He gets doubled most of the game and is still getting past 27 points. He more important than KD and Demar who don't handle the ball as much.
"The Big Stock Exchange" is hilarious 🤣
Shaq has some of the greatest nicknames of all time: The Big Cactus, The Big Aristotle, The Big Baryshnikov
I respect everyone's opinion, they all made valid points for each MVP candidate
Thanks Kenny Smith
@@bobripkey3924 Quit being salty towards him for no solid reason at all. Just say that you don't prefer him and we could move on.
@@judyclarkson5887 he’s awful.
@@leemcqueen500 each to their own
@@leemcqueen500 Being awful is like the defining characteristic for all of them but EJ 🤣
Loving the chemistry between all of em. Good stuff.
Coz they are all Pisces
@@newage6764 don’t bring that into this lol
I might not be the only one who could watch that debate for hours and hours! 😂
Chuck defends Westbrook's MVP cause his team was winning but say jokic doesn't deserve it because he isn't winning. But both their teams are in 6th place, so that theory doesn't check out. Just an example of why jokic is the most disrespected MVP.
To me Chuck was off on this one
You’re gonna compare the first triple double season in 20+ years to what Jokic is doing this year? You sound dumb.
@@swizzy215 yeah Jokic only has the best player efficiency rating and box plus/minus in nba history right now
@@swizzy215 jokic is currently on track to have the highest PER in a season of ALL TIME. This is just as impressive as averaging a triple-double for a season. Maybe even more impressive considering other players have averaged a triple-double, whereas no player has had a higher PER. Just speaking facts, mate.
@@harrykarl3210 casuals mate
Vanilla ice sitting at home minding his own business 😂😂
Joel Embiid 965 points this season, 298 of them from the FT line which makes up 31% of his total points this season. Nikola Jokic 1011 points this season, 163 of them from the FT line which makes up 16% of his total points.
And? Is getting to the line not a skill? Is it his fault teams can't contain him so they foul him?
@@mjtingle1 none of team cant contain both of them just one of them is getting calls
@@truthtruth1856 oh give me a break. One knows how to draw fouls and One doesnt. They are drastically different players, just happen to play the same position.
@@truthtruth1856 not a knock on jokic. Both totally elite talents but very different. It be like knocking giannis cause he gets most of his points in the paint.
@@mjtingle1 i cant give you a brake because you obviusly dont watch Denver games cant draw a foul??? you kidding right
Jokic's numbers are insane. 25 ppg, 14 rebounds, shooting 56%
Not to mention seven assists per game. For a center.
@@johnbrowntheprophet Not good enough. The reason such skills is not needed for a center is because those are other player's role. Jokic style of running the offense unfortunately takes away other guy's game. Really think about it. If his two best players are out, why is he scoring the same number of points? Shouldn't he be averaging even more because he will get more shots? He doesn't score many because he's efficient. He stays efficient because he only score that much.
@@markarmage3776 - So what’s your point, exactly? That Jokic shouldn’t be the MVP again? 🤔🤷🏻♂️
@@markarmage3776 - So what’s your point, exactly? That Jokic shouldn’t be the MVP again? 🤔🤷🏻♂️
@@johnbrowntheprophet Yeah, pretty much. Last year, Jokic win because Embiid wasn't playing enough games. Last year, Embiid has better records, average more points. The difference is that Embiid was injured and playing less games. This year, that's no longer the case. Both teams have dropped significantly in the seeding, but their stats remaining mostly the same. With both players missing their second best players. The difference is that Sixers remained top 3, while Nuggets is 6th. Jokic shouldn't be MVP again, and he won't. He's 500 points and 300 assists short of Westbrook record to be getting MVP at 6th.
Glad Ernie brought up what Mike Malone said about Joker being disrespected as the MVP, I don't understand the hate towards Joker, but numbers don't lie
But wins do??? Get out of here. Giannis had the best record in the nba twice when he won MVP back-to-back. Also best PER ever. Jokic needs to maintain to the rest of the year and win more games
0:36 shaq ' they used to call me the big stock exchange ' lol
I am not an NBA fan at all, but I love watching these guys. Great stuff!
Shaq forgets the year he won MVP, the Lakers won 67 games. He was outstanding that year but he also won because the Lakers had an outstanding season.
The year Russ won MVP, James Harden had one of the greatest offensive statistical seasons ever on a good team
But no one in the last 50 or 60 yrs had an average of Triple Double plus he never missed a game. Its a bit hard to pick between the two at that time.
@@kantofriedchicken3742 and Russ had the better story
Harden was robbed
@@bbswag5420 oh no
@@bbswag5420 32 11 11 season deserves an mvp
Chuck is right Embiid is balling and without his supposed Co star, Lebron could be higher but Lakers are hot trash right now (still impressive though considering his age )
True true
Facts
Nah, Jokic and Giannis is the clear mvp.
I feel like they went that entire segment without even mentioning Lebron James. That is an impressive thing to do when talking about the NBA. ESPN would say it is impossible.
@@corbin6304 I mean bron is averaging nearly 30 as a center
Titles like "GOAT" and "mvp" are always gonna be heavily debated because there's no absolute criteria...that's what makes the topic so entertaining.
I low-key actually agree with Shaq this time. The best player 1-8 seed should be MVP
Only 1-6 going to play off. 7th and 8th seed can miss the play off, just like Warriors missed last year. Just like Shaq, you should inform yourself about rules. If we go by that logic LBJ should be included in MVP race and I want Lakers to miss the play off.
Only Russell Westbrook in the history of the NBA from the 6th seed has won MVP average a triple double stat padding on a bad team. Jokic is not gonna do it unless he wins more games. His stats are good but not triple double good. When Giannis had the highest PER he had the best record in the nba twice when he won back-to-back MVPs.
@@kalinwang1 it is not Jokic's fault that his superb assists are wasted by missed easy and/ or open shots by his teammates
why? teams who limp into the playoffs statistically have almost no chance to make an impact for the championship. Limping into the playoffs is not even in the same ballpark as a top 4 and top 2 team most years.
Nah cuz half the time the best player on the best team ain’t even playing full minutes cuz they blowing everyone out. See golden state, stephs years
"No one walks around saying I'm number 6!" 😂😂
Haha but Jokic will win 2 MvP 💯😜
Jokic having the highest per in NBA history having an historic season and keeping his team in the playoffs!!!
Barely above 500
@@godsandmonstars everybody in love with Stats … it’s crazy
Ya. Hes carrying the team on his back. No help whatsoever
@@godsandmonstars it’s MVP not best team record!!
@@godsandmonstars Without the 2 & 3 best players on the team.
I am with Shaq on this one. MVP award is about individual skill, production, and impact for the team. The teams rank should be factored in last.
if you cant impact winning than youre not that valuable
Then why didn’t McGrady win mvp in 03-04? When he was winning scoring titles? Because…. He was scoring a lot and still losing.
@@Johenz Jokic carrying a G-League roster to the 6th seed doesn't make him valuable? Curry in 21' averaging 32 a game on all-time great efficiency isn't valuable because his supporting cast wasn't good enough to be a non-playin team? what are you even saying rn
@@Johenz if you think Jokic isn’t that valuable you are a casual
Steph had MVP numbers last season. Literally carried his team. Only reason he didn't win it was because of lack of wins. Joker is in that position this year and his individual numbers are better than last season but the team has less wins so far. #KeepItConsistent
What about the fact that yannis is also a top defensive player? Joker has gotten better on defense but yannis is producing on BOTH ends.yannis is producing at a high level on BOTH ends of the floor .
Jokic is one of the highest rated defensive players this year..
Jokic is 2nd in defensive BPM
5:53 "Hey! Nobody walks around going I'm #6!" "Except for the Rockets."
This is as stacked as a MVP race has ever been. More than 5 players are legit candidates. But I'm standing by my pre-season choice, Giannis Antetokounmpo to win his 3rd MVP and his 2nd DPOY.
Feels like good times at the NBA.So much quality on many teams.Fun stuff.
Draymond is winning DPOY
@@sheygiya13 lol
Draymond will win unanimous dpoy
@@Armenian_King lol, keep dreaming. Too many great defenders and better defenders than him. Defenders that can actually guard 1 through 5 dreamon. guards 1 through 5. Who is locking down Ayton on the suns Draymon or Giannis? Now there are way better bigs than Ayton. I am trying to make you think
I understand getting tired of the same guy winning MVP every year but if Giannis keeps playing this way he must win it again🤷🏻♂️ he's just too good
What am I supposed to do about Jokic? Dude is unreal when you watch his impact and analytics
If you actually understand any of those analytics, you would see that those methods are flawed and can be manipulated. Jokic is manipulating them very well. Jokic goes fishing for efficient shots, that's why his field goal percentage is high. He run the offense, he can pick great shots for himself and then pass it to the other guy if he doesn't feel like it. That's different from Giannis or Embiid who plays according to their point guard running the show. If the guard made a bad set, it forces Embiid or Giannis to take the tough shot, because they're the best players. And they play like that for a reason, both Giannis and Embiid don't have the skill of a point guard. Jokic efficiency relies on the Nuggets catering to his style of play, you put for example Chris Paul on that team and Jokic efficiency will drop, because he has to play according to Chris Paul running the team, less assists, his field goal will drop because he'll have to take tougher shots depending on the sets that the other guy run. Jokic is a good player, but he's manipulating analytics. Last year he averaged 27, this year he averaged 27. Same assist stats, a few more rebounds, not that impactful for a center. Everybody who plays know that if your best players are out, you have to score more points, because you're the best. Jokic didn't do that. He stayed the same, because only that way, can he be efficient. We see this all the time, good players stepped up when needed. 2020-21, Steph Curry stepped up when both Klay and Durant is out, averaging 32 from his normal 25 2018-19, Chris Paul came back from an injury, so James Harden stepped up, scoring 36 from his normal 29 2021-22, Lebron James have to carry the load due to Anthony David being out and Russel Westbrook being bad, he averaged 30 from his last year 25 Jokic pad his stats in a modern way, he does it discreetly, refusing to take tough shots , refusing to change, you keep your efficiency high but your team suffers, that's modern stat padding.
I love their passion about Basketball. Unlike in those pundit "debate" shows, the Inside Guys argue for real. No fake hot takes on their panel. (well, for the most part. Sometimes they do it for comedy)
Passion yes.. but all based on eyetest and never stats or almost never..
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well its a weekly show. If they had to do it every single day as the other shows, it would be very different.
The Winning vs Player Stats debate for MVP between these guys are always comedy gold
I agree more with Shaq. Players who are having the best individual seasons. And that is in my opinion: 1. Jokic 2. Giannis 3. KD 4. Morant 5. Embiid 6. LeBron 7. Luka 8. Steph 9. Lavine/Derozan 10. Mitchell
I can't stop laughing! The best commentary in sport!
Straight disrespected, Joker clearly has the better stats OVERALL but his teammates aren’t able to keep up. That doesn’t change the fact joker is playing insanely well across the board. It’s the MPV award not the most valuable player on a successful team award
All the advanced metrics I've seen show Jokic then Giannis as the best players. Others drop as far down as 10 on some.
Yup. It’s really not even close. Joker is willing his team to wins as a point center, and playing great defense as well. They just stomped my Blazers and it was Joker that carried them through the first half. He makes everyone around him better. Made Jeff Green look like an all star tonight.
I dont agree with Shaq much, but he's so right. The MVP is an individual award not a team award!
No point if you're not helping your team win. Answer this. If two players averaged 28/10/6 on 50% shooting but one players team record was 55-27 and the other was 27-55, who are you going for MVP and why?
I gotta disagree. That kind of thinking is how you get players like Westbrook. Just stay padding their stats so they think they’re the best. Nah, you gotta bring wins to your team. If anything they need to bring in win shares into it and definitely turn overs.
As the Most Valuable Player, your value still should be shown with how your team plays. If you're scoring 27 ppg and your team is garbage regardless of whether or not you play, your 27ppg loses value.
@@seshadhri_s Shaq said as long as it is a PLAYOFF team; if that 27-55 is a playoff team then that player should be included in the MVP conversation. Chuck and Kenny only wants players from top 4 teams.
@@seshadhri_s But yall dont realize any guy putting up these kind of numbers helps his team win, its not his fault the rest of the team is trash. Take lebron for example, he's averaging like 28/7/7 but his team is trash, how is it his fault? one player can only do so much. But you take him out of that team theyre gonna win even less
This is always awesome lol this panel is always💯🔥🔥🔥
Love these debates
Always refreshing to watch a show like this after a hard day at work, knowing we all can voice our opinion; agree to disagree
Chuck Is wrong..jokic giannis are ouplaying joel...
It's so crazy that the league has become so shooting and guard-dominated but the past 3 MVPs have been either a Forward or Center lol! #BigMenStillMatter
Only if your special like giannis jokic embiid
@@razkable All MVP’s are special. Takes a unique and talented player to win that award
But those big men plays like a guard now. Jokic is a point center. Embiid spends a lot of time outside the paint and shoots a lot of jumpers and 3s. And Giannis mostly faces the basket and drives 10-20 feet away from the basket.
Not American either
@@yeahyeahyeahwhat6271 American don’t want to play in the paint anymore
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I think Embiid should be in the conversation. Last weeks he was healthy and one of the best in the league. But he had a light schedule (not too many games, no b2b, Not the good teams). So he Need to show this level the next couple of months. Steph had an great Run, but slumping actually, Giannis is killing it and Jokic is probably the best but his Team lacks of quality right Now. KD was amazing also. I am Not Sure right Now. Give it to Chris Paul. The Point god got die suns at the top and is playing every game. Respect!
Jokic and curry could literally take a water break every defensive possession and only play during offense and their fans would still think they are better than everyone
@@dominiquebrown2890 huh they both stepped up alot in terms of defense this year
I agree with Shaq. The MVP conversation shouldn't be based on your team's success only.
It should be a big factor though
every time shaq won hes team was winning
@@hkace Jokic won it and his team was the 3rd seed, and they got swept in the 2nd round. Steph was in the discussion last year and his team was in the play-in. And what Shaq said. Westbrook won it and his team was the 6th seed.
@@lokiurush2613 a factor yeah but not as big.
The best of player of the team always got the credit and the blame , thats why winning is one of the basis for MVP, Julius Randle got booed because Knicks are losing he is their best player but if Knick is top seed in the east he will be MVP for sure. Lebron can put up numbers right now but the fact that he is also not playing defense doesnt mean he deserves to MVP also. Lets be honest most of the successful teams in the NBA is catapulted by their best player, please name me one MVP candidate that has been carried by his role players?
Kenny’s analogy was so weird and out of place that it made me burst of laughing.
..kenny talks just to get air time
It made sense to me
He made no sense cuz he’s talking top 5 as if the convo was about the whole career lol , the convo is MVP of this season
@@joseph5589 That nonsense made sense to you?? Clowns that aren't funny should be on ESPN
I can rarely figure out what point Kenny is trying to make …
Glad Chuck brought up Embid. Philly is playing pretty well and they are absolutely nothing without him.
Great show. In between all the ads
I agree with Shaq on this. The MVP award is about how great of a year one individual player is having.
Ok then…..if that’s the case then why didn’t Steph win MVP the season he averaged 32ppg……
@@CxrlJ Because Jokic had a better all-around season.
Exactly, the reward you get for having the best record is a ring 🤷♂️
Stephen curry
@@corpyhogan4433 u can’t be serious right Curry had the better season. The only reason he didn’t win was because his team was barely in playoff contention….
I don't think any team is more dependent on a single player than Denver. Throw The Joker out and they are flat out dog water. So, the Joker is my MVP. LeBron should be higher too.
They have to be higher than 5th seed, there team I mean
Dog water 😂😂😂
Brooklyn Nets.
MVP of the league , not MVP of the team
@@armandorojas7093 Huh?
tnt killing it , exactly what i want to see from shaq and charles
I agree with shaq. Its not about where the team is at its about the difference between where the team is at the end of the season and where it would be if they played the season without that player. And obviously whether a player pushes the team to playoffs is a PREREQUISITE, meaning that pushing your team from last to 9th does not make you the mvp no matter how good you were. In that sense I agree with kenny and chuck.
I respect their opinions, and I'm satisfied with the names they brought up too. However, I think Shaq is right, the MVP is about the individual player. It takes a team to win so I think it shouldn't be the be all end all.
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so who is your MVP then?
@@benteuno5082 lebron
@@benteuno5082 I gotta give it to KD. Highest PPG, crazy minutes, carried to top team in the east. My underdog is Jokic though, statistically he's having an all time season.
@@MalachiteKiwa fair, but people need to understand that this race is fluid, we can't make final conclusions during the half of the regular season
Part of the redeeming thing about this season is that there are so many good players and teams and it's been really fun to watch
Every Year! Every year it’s the same debate yet STILL entertaining
The irony of Shaq fighting Chuck on his “winning” criteria, yet he’s always the first to bring up his rings 🤣 Shaq just like to fight man
Literally give them an entire hour to talk about MVP candidates TNT i could watch this all day!
Over the last 11 games, Embiid has averaged 32/5/ 9.6/ 4.5 splits on 54.1% shooting. I think that's MVP-worthy as Charles has mentioned but you'd have to take into account the entire season overall. Objectively, Jokic is the MVP but his team barely being above the .500 mark is hurting his chances of repeating.
yeah. 11 games wins you mvp.
How can you be the mvp and your team is barely over .500 Embiid steph giannis morant all over jokic
The mvp.is a full season award Even if u count the last 10 games giannis had same or even ebtter stats than embiid
@@kungfufemafam9216 did you not read the part where I wrote "but you'd have to take into account the entire season overall"? Lol. That's me saying that you have to take into consideration the entire season and not just the past 11 games. We're arguing the same thing.
@@hatim289 did you not read the part where I wrote "but you'd have to take into account the entire season overall"? Lol. That's me saying that you have to take into consideration the entire season and not just the past 11 games. We're arguing the same thing. I'm just clarifying on what Charles is saying.
I do not watch basketball. I don't have a clue about the NBA...I randomly found myself on this site...and I can't stop watching. It's pure joy to watch these Fella's. Geaux Tigahs!!!
The year Russell won it shoulda went to Kawhi. it was between them 2 and James harden, but kawhi was a avg. 26 on a 60+ win team and by far the better defender. all those guys had incredible seasons chuck
Team wining is overrated in the MVP conversation, especially when team is in playoffs. 😑 It's a team sport, and nobody can't win game alone. It's all about contribution to the team, and stats. And Jokić is simply the best. He is caring on his back that average and ingured team in least two years! Real MVP!
Jokic has THE HIGHEST PER EVER in the NBA. Higher than MJ, Wilt and Giannis!
@@phrogtv223 That's incredible.
👏👏👏👏👏 Braaavoooo he is and will be a MVP
@@phrogtv223 that's for 1 season, Michael Jordan has the highest PER in nba history for a career
@@darrellhardy90 Yea ik, it's still insanely impressive.
Minutes per game! Giannis MVP all day DPOY included💯🏀
Minutes per game - PER stats Jokic is currently winning in that race :D
Sorry dpoy draymond all day
Michael Jordan and Westbrook are the only two players that won without having a top-four seed team. Westbrook averaged a triple-double. Michael Jordan average 35 points per game and won defensive player of the year
That’s not true for Jordan. The lowest seed Jordan ever had for an MVP year was the 3rd seed in the East in 1988
That maximum effort narrative about Westbrook is so untrue, defence and off ball play are part of the game and I don't see him make any effort when he doesn't have the ball. MVP criteria is clear but Jokic is definitely disrespected, sadly I think it'll be like Giannis and he'll still be disrespected after winning a title
Jokic is the obvious MVP. 26pts, 14rb and 7 assists is insane.
Nuggets 6 seed. Giannis is my MVP, unless nuggets get in the 4 spot or above
its what you expect when your second greatest player is arron gordon. Everybody else in the debate has a way better team and are playing around the same splits.
@@llkingproductionsl2154 Jokers teammates aren’t great as the Warriors or Bucks. However, if we overlook the record then the MVP would go to guys like Ruthell Wethbrick who have great stats but aren’t on a top contender. Russell puts up stats but I wouldn’t dare trust him to win me a championship.
Im not comparing Russell to Jokic, he was just used to get my point across. As to why we take record into consideration
U gotta look at the whole situation, not just list basic stats.... giannis defense puts him right up there even tho joker has slightly higher numbers, it's not "obvious" no matter who u got
Most would say Mr. Curry which I'm not mad about even though he's in a bit of a slump but KD has had no nights off so far in terms of bringing it night after night plus he's the top scorer in the league so he's my pick.
None of the other guys have another top 10 player in the league on their team. And now Kyrie back, that's 2 top 10 players. How come Steph and KD were out of the running when they played together but KD, Harden, Kyrie tandem are not lol?
@@vlnakajr2346 because KD has had to carry thus far. Looks like it is easing up soon so he will probably fall out of the top 3.
Steph definitely ain’t the front runner off the last month of play. He’s been shooting awfully.
@@vlnakajr2346 😂😂😂😂 Kyrie isn't close to top 10
KD is carrying his team. Harden has been out of shape. Irving is a part time player.
Jokic Giannis Embiid all #1 Steph Caruso Doncic all #2
I love how Shaq is so Giannis fan, he got his back 😂
I like Derozan cause nobody is talking about the Bulls and they're number one
Exactly, I know they lost yesterday but they were missing 5 of their best defenders
@@trinbaker993 right their missing most of their bigs Jones went out 1st minute into the game they had no one really to protect the basket if Bulls get a decent rim protecter rebounder they might can get deep into the playoffs finals wise
@@d-nice4311 oh yeah, there’s rumours about getting Mitchell Robinson and I hope they go for him cause he’s a great rim protector and rebounder, when bulls are fully healthy which they will be playoff time and they have Mitchell Robinson then they could surprise people
@@trinbaker993 Knowing the Knicks, they'll give you Mitchell Robinson for your Hot Dog vendor.
@@jrob4795 😂😂😂😂
From an “individual” perspective, this year is crazy. So many superstars in the league right now
Good point
I love the way these guys debate MVP this is how it should be but I wish that would take it a step further & let them pick really pick MVP
Shaq said there hasnt been a player in the MVP talk who was not on a winning team but I beg to differ. He must of forgot about A I. He is one of the top players that have played the game hands down!!!!
Joel playing like a monster in Philly 🔥🔥🔥
I know. I’m so shocked people aren’t talking more about him. He’s singlehandedly dragging his team to a strong playoff spot but I feel like I haven’t heard anyone but Chuck mention his name in the MVP conversation.
@@coby4480 he's get sick or an injury will pop up , nothing to see here...gianniss deserves it , better record and they are currently beating the warriors 97 to 67 live rn... 29/9/9 already in the 3rd.. don't bring up Joel embid please he's not that guy, never made it to a conference finals .. with so many stars on his team. GREEK FREAK For mvp
@@lh1533 Giannis has a strong supporting cast behind him. Joel is single-handedly dragging his team kicking and screaming to the playoffs.
And still not the best center in the league and he never will be until Joker is around.