DmC vs. Revengeance | 6 Years Later

Chuckle-fuck is exactly the right description for Monsoon.

Devil may cry 5 is the best in its series, but DMC is by far superior.

@White-Van Helsing haha

While I both own & rather like both of these games.....at the end of the day, which of these hero’s do you want to BE and or hang out with?🤔. Which on do you hell rather just look at on your screen than the other. Oh What? What’s that You Say......there are cooler looking versions of Dante lol where this is Arguably ( Albeit Poorly 😏 ) this is the best Looking version OF Raiden. Hmmm 🤔

If you watch closer Raiden wasn't talking to monsoon he was talking to himself and Sam. Sam roll his eyes at monsoon because Sam and raiden already had that conversation. That way you sould showed all of the conversation between Sam and Raiden. So monsoon wasn't the one that push Raiden to the Edge it was Sam when he show how Raiden ideology was flawed when Sam let Raiden hear what the cop he was killing was just normal people. You have to going back and replay and really play attention to what Sam was saying to Raiden when Sam was talking to Raiden on the screen in the city.

Mission 20: Spanish Showdown

HAHAHA

Taco Demoníaco de Metal: La Reverganza

Sombrero Raiden FTW

MGC 996 Now that’s a death battle I’d want to see

appealing to both fan bases ;)

He's hardly wrong about Armstrong though

Has better combat? Kinda yeah... Better Level Design? Hell no (The enemie Roster is trash as well)

Well yeah, as TBFP (rip) said, DmC is not a *bad* action game, it's just an *abysmal* Devil May Cry game.

After i played both versions back to back in preparation for DMC5 (i played every Version of all the games too) i hardly can call DmC good at anything, for me is a trash game True and true

He said “less” not “no more”

Still I wonder about his opinions on full blown those nerdy D&D-like RPG games from classical fallouts and elder scrolls to modern RPG games akin to Witcher 3 and few other examples

Ernas 343 Same. I really want to know his opinions on darksiders. Not sure if he likes it or not.

@@Z-A-C Which Darksiders? Each has a vastly different focus in its approach to what it does.

I’d like him to go over the 3D Mario games and elaborate on why he hates 3D world

Meanwhile Raiden's just chilling out in his sombrero.

Nothing to fix though

@Vazazell not outrage, but mockery due to the Neckbeard/Nice Guy memes that kinda fit well into Reboot Virgil.

M'lady

*teleports behind you

Devil may cry: Devil May Cry, Tameem's first game to be written, and directed by him. It truly shatters the myth that video game stories are nothing but mere trite compared to film, theatre and literature

They changed DmC massively after the poor reception of that IGN trailer. Had they kept their inicial plot and ideas, the game would be interesting.

@Wazenez that's sydney from payday 2

@@DemonDethchase Hard cut to Dante just slapping a can of energy drink out of a random dude's hands despite said action meaning nothing while also making the character just seem like even more of an unlikable douche.

@@KellanGDM Agreeed mate

We all thought DMC5 was not gonna happen. Maybe wait until 2024 for Revengeance 2?

@@Wyzarka I think it's more of a matter of, Konami isn't gonna do that, and if they do, Kojima was pretty important in the development of MGR. Although I would be interested in what they could do with a sequel, seeing as that tech demo or whatever of MGR in the Fox Engine instead of it's own looked phenomenal

@@GooSwanShitPosts Kojima wasn't THAT involved in Metal Gear Rising. He was in Metal Gear Solid Rising though

Konami has a special announcement on Tuesday for E3, so we'll see

Brother...Don’t remind me Lmao 💔

Sun Levi You should try Vanquish

Wonderful 101 exists

There's a game called DmC that perfectly suits your description

@@junpeiiori4720 Really?? Holy shit people!

Sun Levi there is a dmc franchise thes even BETTER than revengence

Also "Adios amigos"

Also "make America great again"

@@Liquid_Mike I've heard someone actually went and ripped Armstrong off on that one.

I very much agree with this political opinion

NinjaWita Sniper rules of nature was really good but my favourite was a stranger I remain

Hey, never thought I would see you here. Love your videos

Eeeeeey

no no son, I AM the world biggest mgr fan

If this is truly so - make an episode about The Senator. Guy was rocking 'Make America Great Again' long before Trump even showed up. Although Raiden fights and beats him, he never entirely manages to defeat Armstrong's values, his critique of the world - all epitomised in the statement: "Kindred spirits... You and I." The end of the game suggests that Raiden to a degree internalizes that which he opposes, and that Armstrong has the last laugh. Somewhat like Sokrates debates Kallikles and his value system, but does not manage to create a decisive victory.

Yeah it would be pretty cool for you to do something on this game or on some concept that you feel it gets right (or wrong). You've always had a unique view on things and I feel like even though I love this game too, you'd be able to point stuff out I hadn't really thought about it.

He talks about the insanely cool stuffs to it's story and (many) of the character's thematic and characterization of MGR in the latter half to explain MGR's majorly vast advantage over DmC, but then again it's unfortunate that we'll never going to have MGR2, probably not even latter ;-;/

No, but you can yeet two and on the first one you cut the hell out of it while in the air

@@Linksays And you cut the second one with its own giant sword

@@shalashaska6658 literally a duel lmao

The answer is NO, you can't suplex your deadbeat dad in MGR However in DMC5, you can.

nice pun.

ImmaKakarot1 huh?

@@firerath Raiden's Journey was CUT short.

FucKonami.

Sacrifices have to be made. I will not shed a tear over Donte but i will over Raiden. I salute my favourite MechaMariachi RIP

It was salvaged in a year and a half. I still don't know how did Platinum did that much of the game in such a short time.

I like Revengeance, but far as I'm concerned, Raiden's story ended with MGS4.

@Nero Redwood Who's saying it couldn't have been both? Snake quit war and smoking and got to go have some peaceful retirement with his boy pal and their unofficially adopted daughter, while Raiden got himself a new bio-organic body, found out he had a son and decided to be a family-man. All in all it's the most definitive end the series and the remaining cast of characters were ever gonna get. Like Brit already mentioned, Rising was more just a fun whatif-scenario for the prior franchise, rather than any kind of serious continuation.

@Nero Redwood I'm aware. Doesn't change the fact that it is still a spinoff-title and not really canon to the prior MGS-storyline. Or what did you think I meant with whatif-scenario? "until Konami said fuck you and canned it because MGS fanboys whined about it, then they made MGS5 a disappointment and boring attempt to make another prequel." Now where'd this description of events come from? Last I heard Platinum had been planning on a sequel to Rising, which seemingly just kind of wizzled out along with any other future idea for the franchise, as a result of Kojima's departure at the wake of MGS5 and the heads at Konami just not giving enough of a shit to greenlight it after that. "We were better off with Rising 2 if they actually gave a shit and stopped listening to the fanboys who cried about it." Are you seriously blaming the current state of the Metal Gear-franchise on the fans whining about Rising...?

@Nero Redwood I'm aware of that, just didn't like the idea of Raiden becoming a cyborg ninja again, after the ending of 4. I want MGS: Rising despite no chance of that happening.

Its kinda sad that it took this long, i did the same thing but now i feel kinda bad XD

Yeah, when it comes down to it, I think this mindset towards DmC was the main source of vitriol towards it. When I first took a gander at DmC, I hadn't been a DMC fan at the time, but when I finally got into the franchise and enjoyed the classic games, my ultimate view towards it was 'yeah, it certainly pales in comparison to 3 and 4, and I'll take classic Dante any day over Donte, but it's definitely no DMC2. I don't really get why everyone's so scathing towards it.' The thing is about me at the time was that I honest-to-god didn't think the reboot was the death of the franchise, nor did I think that Capcom was planning to just completely forget about the classic series in favor of the reboot. DMC4:SE coming out, as well as classic Dante appearing in Project X Zone, helped with this feeling as well. It was only when I got on the DMC5 hype train and realized that it had been more than a decade since the last classic DMC did I realize where all the hatred likely stemmed from. If the reboot really was the last DMC game we got that wasn't a rerelease, then between the game in general being a downgrade from 4 and the overall scorn addressed to the fans, it'd essentially be like DMC ending with a wet fart. This realization made me jump on the hate bandwagon for a bit as well. Now though, with 5 out as well as seeing how Ninja Theory was essentially forced into a shitty 'damned if you do, damned if you don't situation' (look up some recent videos on DmC's development for more info) I'm a lot more sympathetic towards it. I still prefer the classic series, but now, I can appreciate the reboot for what it did right and for what it contributed to the classic franchise.

Let's also not forget how much the writer was attacking the fanbase and news articles lying about why fans were upset; citing that the only reason old DMC fans hated DmC was simply because Dante had a different hair color and *nothing else.* They insisted there was absolutely no other reason why people were upset. I'll never forget that. Some things never change. This same crap happened with the likes of the GhostBusters reboot, Star Wars: The Last Jedi, and Captain Marvel (but with insisting old fans were just "misogynistic manbabies", when the female focus was never the point of contention in the first place).

Seems like everybody still hates it to me.

@Lugbzurg Thank you! It really boggles my mind that DmC fans are telling DMC fans that "we should be ashamed of ourselves for hating the devs for taking the series in a new direction". It feels like DMC fans are the victims of bullying and we're forced to apologize to DmC despite that they love to take the beloved series away from us. DmC fans tried so hard during that era saying that the change in the franchise is necessary and "no one wants an anime cool dude, that's cringy". Lastly, the reason why we've got DMC5 is because of DmC's abysmal sales, if it was a success then DMC is gone for good. Let's hope that the DMC series can move forward with possible DMC5's DLCs and next years teaser for DMC6! None for DmC because it's a reboot, not an alternate universe but to wipe the series identity for a new one.

DMC Devil May Cry: all the people who couldn’t healthily move on after 2020 and are blinded to the causes of the problems of 2020 MGS Revengeance: all the people who healthily moved on from 2020 and see who caused all the problems of 2020

DmC: Tries to be more gritty, grounded, and mature, ends up childish with a lack of self-awareness that borders on parody. MGR: Tries to bombastic and badass while occasionally quirky and weird, ends up with a somber, dark, and poignant message about human nature.

The opposite, actually. We all know DmC is a dumb shlocky mess of a story that relies too much on the surface-level reading of 'being Shakespearian,' but at its core, it's still a pretty well-designed action game that does a good job taking the formula set out by the previous games and iterating on it. It has its pitfalls for sure but it's still not being given enough credit for what it does right. Whereas MGR _appears_ to be a more competent and cheeky game that seems to have something to say, but in reality, it's just kind of a mediocre action game which really only throws big words arounds to sound smart without actually saying anything and in turn just kinda ends up indulging in its own edgy fantasies. Which isn't anything out of the ordinary for Platinum Games anyway.

@@Skallva can you please explain further? Cause you said it's those things, but why do you think that? Also please put in paragraphs. Reading a whole block of text without spaces makes me lose track on where I am

@@teneesh3376 Sorry for the late reply. So with DmC, I don't think there's much to be said that hasn't already been said in the vid. DmC is just a solid action game that isn't given enough credit due to its reboot status and infamously bad story. Not the best but not the worst by a longshot. Now with MGR, the issue is that it's a story that throws around big words and big ideas without any self-awareness to actually say anything in a meaningful way. It just flip-flops from one big speech about whatever to another, without trying to explore what any of these words mean. It's hard to take any of it seriously when the moment you meet a new boss, they immediately start waxing poetically about... stuff and then they die a gruesome death and their relevance ends right there. The worst offender is easily Armstrong. You see the dude _once_ through a camera recording before his fight and immediately before you fight him proper, he starts spewing out random politician slogans that don't actually imply any concrete ideology and simply come across as political vagueposting and then he's suddenly treated by the story as Raiden's ultimate foil? It's so dumb. And then there's Raiden's whole edgy persona, which is handled with the grace of a 14-years-old who's just watched Akame Ga Kill and thought it was the coolest thing ever. Surely there were other ways of writing his bloodlust other than 'killing is bad! > killing is based, actually!' Also there's human experiments. That happened. I know it tries to say something about cycles of war and violence, but the execution is so messy and in-your-face that all of it just ends up being really confusing to me. On the combat side of things - vid also mentions how kinda shallow the combat is, but I'll also add that the focus on parrying isn't doing it any favours. Not including so many mobility options for a simple timing minigame may feel cool at first but becomes pretty predictable quite quickly, especially since it doesn't offer any extra depth other than doing a perfect parry gives you a quick counterattack. The enemies are not fun to fight and the bosses are better, but they're not that much more impressive than in any other big character action game - they're fun enough fights, but it seems as though most of their praise comes from the spectacle associated with them than the fights themselves. Overall, MGR just feels very 'style over substance' to me. It has big boom and some neat boss themes but at its core, it's just a big edgy mess as far as I'm concerned.

Thank you I was wondering what brit was thinking when he said that

Yeah, I remember we have like 10-15 minutes of gameplay where we killed the cops and heard all their voice inside Raiden head with Sam taunting

imhere forthepuns don’t forget, DmC didn’t have a lock on before it’s special edition

He spent so much time on this, too. I don't get it. Feels like SUCH a reach to rip the game on.

This is why I stopped watching this guy. This sort of stuff.

Donte

Overall I don't get how people can praise dumb dialogue from early RE games but DmC dialogue is apparantly cringy. You can't tell me the whole conversation with Succubus isn't the funniest thing ever. DmC is a gold mine of stupid one liners and more people should acknoledge that

@@sharavy6851 Who praises the dialogues from early RE games? If anything, a lot of people still make fun of them (mostly the first one). While DmC's dialogue is just plain horrible, focuses on trying to be 12-years-old perception of being cool instead of just being good. And if you mistaken RE games for DMC, then you probably also mistaken "cringy" with "cheesy".

@@Ziomaletto The whole boarder between cheesy and cringy is blurred as is. I just think some lines from DmC are memable just like in RE. It's not like I'm praising the writing or anything

@@sharavy6851 Personally, the only "meme" I know from RE is the Chrisposting thing, and it was only fans' creation. DmC have none memeable lines, and even if there are any, they're butchered by bad delievery.

Oh yeah, boss fights and all of it's presentations is the main gimmick of good to great Platinum Games in general

What about the fukin music

Sorry i just got triggered a little bit. bossfights, music, gameplay and MEMES the dna of the soul makes this game mastapiece

Oh fuck yeah, the music also makes the game a 11/10 mastuhpeece. And the memes

@@stealthmaster6472 don't get upset over being triggered man. MGR music does that to everyone, it's so fucking good it messes up with our senses.

it basically just happens because they remembered "hey, vergil was evil in the original right? lets make him evil ehre too, it'll be a great twist!" while forgetting how to actual do that reveal in a good way that doesn't seem dumb, as well as forgetting that there was more to vergil than 'evil' and that even his role as a villain wasn't even a twist in the original.

...wadidujusay ?

It's like you're having a casual conversation with someone you've known, then they mention that they're currently reading Mein Kampf, and you're like "Wait, what did you just say? about Mein Kampf?"

@@VoidLoader and then PlotTwist.mp3 starts playing

There's this one particular scene in DmC Devil May Cry that proves Mundus isn't a virgin.

@@Brandon_Powell do you know what the virgin vs chad meme means?

@@matiasortega8478 I can't say I do. Every time I try to keep up with memes it makes me feel old.

@@Brandon_Powell the chad is the cool dude and the virgin is uncool dude.

@@shonklebonkle324 Why Chad though? Chad is one of the goofiest names I can think of.

Hey don’t diss Neil breen like that

A real human breen and a real hero.

Seconded. Maybe someday he'll get to it.

Matthewmatosis wants to know your location

I'm sure the PC could've handled it.

T U R N. O F F. M Y. M E M E. I N H I B I T O R S!

"How about full of shit? Is that a meme"

"It's time for Jack to *FUCK YOU* "

Holy shit, this Is the top comment/response of the year

"Now there's a pretty meme, Exquisite!"

NANOMACHINES SON

the M E M E S JACK

"I think it's time for Jack to let'er rip!"

Catches Sam’s sword “ARMSTROOOOOOOONG!”

HA HA HA this is the greatest fight of my life!

It’s also the best kind of edgy. Less “fuck you dad I wanna listen to punk rock while smoking pot” and more “I will rip your heart clean from you can crush it right in your face”

@@Mariodash23 "While making puns"

oh my god yes!

Sadly platinum has revealed after their current work is done, they are planning to stop their gaming mercenary work to work on more in house titles IE More Bayonetta's and Vanquish-like titles. (Yay Less "Ok" activision titles (Yay Less MGR's and NieR automata's (Boo And if you think can make a MGR without Platinum ... well, I recon you dont think that

Some things never change

Old habits die hard.

Patrick PFC *Brit talking about dmc ahh shit here we go again

Try Sekiro. It has a lot more in common with Revengeance in combat than you think, obviously bar the blade time gimmick. Bosses, even some more common enemies will not dissapoint you.

@@TheSchoolyD Sekiro is a even worse disappointment then MGR there are people even complaining about the difficulty in NG+ making the difficulty static was a huge mistake by FROM but honestly the disappointment has been consistent since Demon Souls in them I'm just waiting for Nioh 2 since the 1st was great.

@@Phanxify You're either a troll or a very specific kind of player. Actually, what did you want out of Revengeance and Sekiro that they both dissapointed you to such a degree? And what did you mean by static difficulty? That ng+ cycles have fixed increases in enemy damage, health etc?

@@TheSchoolyD the game got much easier on new game + because you get to keep your stats and can get stronger

Ikr man Devil May Cry 5 for me now the best fkn action game ever though I played in reboot 2013 and I liked combat honestly and bit in Devil May Cry 4 and fast dropped this game but Devil May Cry 5 the best game ever for me with such nice, different and deep combat

Agree. Snake story may have ended, but who said his world should be ended

What do you mean? I still love raiden

@@saLym-ym7wu, turn off the game console right now.

Raiden is a goat

The Matrix's antivirus don't always work

@@silkworm2595 nani!?

Honestly not only did I somewhat assume 9-11 didn't actually happen in Metal Gear-universe, since we know its 2000s politics and history are different from the real world ones and I don't recall it ever being referenced before Rising, but also you'd kind of think that Liquid having Arsenal Gear steamroll through Manhattan in 2009 would have been seen as somewhat more referenced event anyways.

@@jondoe7036 You've got a good point but I imagine that the 911 was a lot more of a formative experience culturally than the attack that occurred 8 years later.

@@jondoe7036 It happened and probably involved supervillains.

On PC version you can toggle it. But I agree, that was the major flaw of the game for me to be honest. Other than that? I loved DmC quite a bit. It's pretty hard for me to decide which one I like more. Both are good in their own way.

but it did have dmc like combat, isnt that fascinating, thats a big and amazing difference!

Well the fact that Revengeance can hold his own against a action game of a established franchise speaks highly of it's quality, it's not something to complain about

Facts.

@@samuraireflection check the combat in Bayonetta, its pretty similar and smooth like in MGR:R, bc they're both made by platinum games. All games made by platinum have that kind of combat. It's not suuuuper detailed and complex, but it's still amazing because it's satisfying as fuck

Mgr was developed by platinum tho and they are the best in the business and have a lot of experience. Not saying that mgr wasn't good, I like it a lot. I just don't agree with what you said.

i disagree, reavengence hade me crying like a baby, when raiden gets the red health bar gauge, and that thing happens to him, so sad.

it was a real mans message, i have never been through that but im just saying.

@@samuraireflection I mean when that happen I was more like "oh shit it's on now Jack is back baby!" Basically I was more hyped than emotional but hey whatever works for you.

he seems to forget DmC is not safe from the "shakespearean story" getting in the way of gameplay

Wait, what!?

Yeah tbh I haven't played through the levels that many times but have however fought all the bosesses 100s of times

The Chaotic Trickster Yup, it’s what sold me on buying on the PC port. The same is true with the Jetstream Sam and Bladewolf DLC, which are free, just like the console version.

@@TonicSpirits How do you skip to the boss fights?

@Munira Gheewala You have to beat the story mode and the DLC missions once, and then you'll see a 2nd row of missions in the Story -> Chapter menu that are just the boss fights (minus Bladewolf boss). Or you could just do what I did and input the Konami code (↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → ⓑ ⓐ start) at the title menu, assuming you have a gamepad. It'll unlock all difficulties, chapters, codec calls, and cutscenes.

It has to be this way?

Collective Consciousness

A soul can't be cut

RED SUN OVER PARADISE

Blade Wolf is also awesome. "I understand your attempts at humor. I simply do not find them entertaining."

Oh great, another gay cowboy shill

It's completely different from main DMC, so it didn't do anything for me, but it made me better at Platinum Games games (not MGR, it's too different from the rest).

Dante: That was my mother

From what i heard, the people who made DmC actually had a passion to make this game, i heard this a while back from a comment section from possible a review or boss fight video.

They have similar names but they are both very different Lyrics and genre wise Never Surrender is more aggrotech industrual while Shall Never surrender is more metal I rememeber some of the lyrics from Never surrender too "Mental Cancer hijacks your brain" "Denying the reality you created for yourself" "I will suffer, I will burn, let hate prevail" "Enslave my soul but I'll never surrender" It's edgy but very good

CravenMariGold You mean we get to hear it every single time there’s a battle? Please no. It’s a good song of course but the variaty of songs they used was much better for me, and that’s one of the things that makes replaying the game fun. Don’t try to make DmC like DMC too much please.

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But it has a bigger dick.

They *HARDEN* in response to physical stimulation

Did you know you can actually see Dante's cock in photo mode in 5?

But does MGR have Shakespearean writing?

@@firmament1325 eh sure but i never cared for any of their past games since they were all pretty meh so there's also that against them for me. Even still i will admit, DmC is the best combat they done.

@@AkumetsuLord I actually really like Heavenly Sword, Enslaved and Senua. Their not my favourite games by any metric, but each of them is a solid mid-tier action-adventure title, which we don't get too much of in this day and age.

@@jondoe7036 That's fine, those are your opinions and i respect that. There are things about Heavenly's Blade that are fine

Iill put in my 2cents a step further. DMC DMC has the best melee combat system developed by a western game studio. Old God of War was pretty fun, but even on the hardest setting you can just parry your way through all 6 games on the hardest setting (only Ascension really tried to make the parry Harder) Batman Arkham fighting is fun, but repetitive in that it lacks an intuitive way to have fun boss fights, simply due to how structured it is around fighting tons of goons DMC DMC definately falls short in having "Zelda-eque" Easy peasy boss fights, but that was the game design issue not a combat system one, and I wouldn't mind if another studio ripped their combat off for other western action games.

@@jondoe7036 Enslaved is a gem. Not exactly flawless, but there's something so charming and memorable about it. To me, at least.

basically, MGR was good out the gate, while DMCDMC only got good after time passed and it was patched some more.

Both of them has their own strength to choose from. Platinum style is easy to get into and let you do many cool stuff even you aren't really good that much with action genre and hit you with memorable epic moments.(Suplex two f*cing metal gears! How anyone could forget that!) Itsuno's one is what real old school hack n slash be like. Focus on variety of deep gameplay and mechanic for player to experiment. The more you play the better you will become and reward you for being good. While DMC5 Nero stands between these two. With his kit that easy to get into but also let you become badass for master him. And Buster move that let you watch him does WWE moves to his enemies!!

Amen

Lightning in a Bolt perhaps? ;)

Very agreed, MGR is definitely character action (or whatever you want to call it), but as far as I know it's the only example of what I would call a 'lite' game in the genre, at least one still worth playing. I do agree with a lot of TGB's statements about parts of the game being weak, but it's kind of only half-true: the half-baked stealth and item usage, while not implemented gracefully at all, only undermine the game from the perspective of being a pure CAG. It's important to consider MGR was in a difficult place of not only being rebuilt from the scraps of years of development hell in a short time, but as an extension of a series that had up to that point absolutely nothing in common with the core of the title, gameplay-wise. The stealth was doubtlessly included as a way to not completely alienate it from its origin and as a concession to get MGS fans unfamiliar with action games to give it a shot, same with the huge amount of codec conversations and the simpler combat. However, this has another effect of making MGR into what I consider the best entry point for someone looking to get into the genre. It may not replay as well, but it's certainly a spectacular first playthrough for people of all skill levels. I'm also surprised he didn't talk about the DLC at all; Sam was a much more traditional CAG experience and a significant enough amount of gameplay to at least be touched upon.

Oh come on. The soundtrack is amazing.

What the hell is cringeworthy with its soundtrack

I think Ninja Gaiden 1 and 2 both do the “fast and efficient killer ninja” style of action gameplay better than MGR while still having a much better camera, better enemy design, and fully fleshed-out weapon move sets. Although Revengeance is still overall great and I like to think of it as the closest thing to a Ninja Gaiden 4.

Yes. Also, apparently the budget for Revengeance was not as high as those of other popular action games.

I wouldn't say better since it's not a game with deep combat mechanics. At most the game hypes you due to the action.

The flow of the combat encounters are better, and some stages in DmC drag like trash, also there's a mission where you're Forced to walk Kat through the base without any way to Speed It and i fucking despise that thing) i like the combat in DmC but everything Else game design wise breaks the game apart and the narrative is also hard to swalow since every curscene hide a loading screen for the shity Engine and skip It is like try to Skip a curscene in Bayo for PS3

@@petwisk2012 So basically you prefer MGR because of the narrative. Game design wise... DmC is better, from level design, to combat, platforming and combos.

@@Crok425 Not a game with deep combat mechanics? lol Clearly you actually never played MGR. Even if you did, you obviously never pull off any combo and just mashed the button.

The only problem i've had with Rising was that it was too short :)

Meti not the bad guy, has a video about sam

El Donte, the hero we need, but not the one Ninja Theory deserves

You're onto something.... don't know what but it's something

I'm going to have to respectfully disagree.

It was never even a question honestly. MGR wiped the floor with DmC.

I began writing this exact comment. Repetitiveness is one thing, in fact it's the doom all games face eventually, but when something is straight up unstatisfying on a visceral level, than no amount of flash or "SADISTICS" are going to cover that up.

You're one of the few people who actually commented a very good point regarding the games being discussed. I totally agree, DmC is flawed in more than one way and forcing you into "Use this specific mechanic where you can only hurt a type enemy with" such as the colored enemies and the ones with shield/armor making most of your choices in weapons straight up useless.

It's DmC, sorry, just to help you out that you're kind of confusing uninformed people on knowing which is which.

@@jamesvu5504 True. Thanks. Lol

@@tailedgates9 Happy to help. :)

Exactly

Ikr finishing off this very fancy story of the Snakes with such glorious cyborg action is just awesome I love how I can put both MGR and MGS3 for example as the same universe lol

To each their own. For me looking at it as its own thing totally separate from the narrative package of Solid-series is the way I find it easiest to enjoy and least complicated way to digest Rising as a narrative. As would be continuation it doesn't really match the feel of MGS from where I'm standing. For example, it's supposedly just few odd years into the future and a lone cyborg dude can now just go around throwing Metal Gears into the air and chopping them up like styrofoam with a sword relative to a size of a toothpick next to them, which kinda undermines what big deal these giant nuclear mechas are supposed to be for the whole mainline series. Not to mention I don't feel there was much in the way Rising would have continued any storylines from the prior games, nor was that sort of continuation needed at that point, beyond the way it was used to add some flavour text onto some of the characters. Also I've never heard Kojima himself regard Rising as part of the mainline series; he has deliberately left it out, when discussing stuff like the timeline of the series and evolution of Metal Gears.

I love MGR but after playing all MGS games i just can't see it as canon. Plus in Ground Zeroes Jamais Vu mission Miller says Raiden is from another universe or timeline.

It was a patreon promise i think, So probably will happen this year

@@firmament1325 Hey, my Dude! Ninja Gaiden 1 & 2 reign surpreme! 👍 For me it's gameplay and story. And Mgr is just a perfect package. The gameplay might be below DMC but it makes up for it with the best OST and an amazing over the top story

Metal Gear Rising > all

@@omegazx7236 disagree. MGR=DMC 3 SE/4 SE/5.

@@user-sm6gn3nl6o DMC 5 comes really close, I'll give you that

DMC, including the reboot and even the second game > MGR

Noah Gervais' resident evil video was so bad I couldn't even fall asleep to it. It was Literally just ten somecallmejohnny summaries stacked end to end interspersed with "muh feminism" tangents. I don't know why you would compare an actual analysis guy like gaming brit to him.

While I have to disagree with you on this point I do have to highlight how rare it is to see someone express that particular opinion in such a balanced and respectful way. Most people just bark the claim that Metal Gear Rising is objectively better and there's no more room for conversation beyond that.

@@Brandon_PowellMGR was so incredibly janky to control that I gave up on the game just before I got to Sundowner, meanwhile DmC controls incredibly smooth (playing the PC version right now and I’m planning to get DE) and is so good that I’m now trying to get all the Achievements. From a story POV I think both are around the same. DmC isn’t actually that interesting in exploring political themes, which is more of a backdrop for the real meat of the story: Reboot Dante becoming a better person, and one willing to protect humanity from the demons. MGR is interested in the politics of American interventionism and the war machine which politicians pursue for personal gain, as well as Raiden’s own internal conflict. I think both have their merits and drawbacks.

@theatheistbear3117 I'm sorry you had such a bad time with Rising's controls. I personally enjoy them very much. But I understand not wanting to stick with it if it didn't click with you. I'm right with you on everything else, though.

@majema007 I don't know, going through pretty lame stages with a whiplashy story just for the boss(es) doesn't seem like you're making a positive point for the game. Bosses in MGR are like teachers since in every one you gotta master something for the climax final boss where you show off what you've learned through the entire game, but MGR has more than just bosses and I agree with what was said in the video. I enjoy both games but I think MGR just gets more credit than it really deserves.

DmC would have been fun if Donte was just a dude pretending to be the legendary devil hunter Dante and have both of them meet in DMC5 Have the plot of DmC not be a reboot and be about Donte coming off as his own or even better, have him still pretending to be Dante with everyone thinking this is horrible to have the og replaced just for the identity revelation at the end You would have to cut off Vergil and Mundus tho and create better characters, adding better writing with less annoying cursing and just call it something like Devil May Cry: Revelations or some shit

Fanboys will be fanboys.

If it were a completely different IP, with a better story and characters, it wouldn't be so notorious. Its unbearable narrative elements and inferior gameplay to the prior titles it is supposed to be succeeding are what drag it down so low. Unfortunate really.

I loved DmC visually, it had tons of style and it was generally fun. Though it made some terrible decisions.

The story is obnoxiously retarded but the combat is fine (if you avoid the PS3/Xbox360 release that is)

What about the color coded enemies? They're not very fun to fight since they easily made the combat more tedious by only using the designated weapon on that enemy. It's really weird that DmC fans intentionally omitted that glaring flaw of the combat...

@@jamesvu5504 DMC games all have annoying characters like that. At this point im just used to dealing with the one or two unfun enemies in DMC games so im sure most of the fanbase are just used to it.

Mediocre gameplay in MGR? What?

@@omegazx7236 yes

Omega ZX Yes.

Rom Bolian No. We don’t speak wrong.

Not really. It has cutscenes. Mechanically speaking the bosses themselves aren't any better than Bayos or DMCs. People just like Revengeance for the memes.

@@sanictheedgehog I guess different poison for different people

Then don't think of it like that. :) I still think DMC3 is the best game of the series, but this game imo is almost as good as DMC5. It atleast has better level structure than 5, even when the combat isn't AS deep.

@@SuperArppis DMC 5 >>> 3 (which is amazing nonetheless)

@@omegazx7236 no