There are 7 main classic lightsaber combat forms which Jedi and Sith practiced. Today we’ll be explaining all 7 and outlining some of the most notable practitioners of each one.
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Well there is actually 8 forms, Rey uses an uncommon and little known form called the baseball bat.
"Baseball Bat" "Tennis Racket" and "Hockey Stick" are all variations of form 1.
Myself, I prefer the "Stick I found in the Woods" variant.
What you guys mean Rey is so good with her “Lucky Hit” form
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There are no forms in the Disney movies because there's hardly any lightsaber action at all. They just collide blades and hold them there grinding them together to make time for more dialogue
Qui-gon was limited with his speed and acrobatic abilities as he aged. Yoda at 877 years old: 🗿
Different species.
@@MackeyBigBoy4014 qui gon was also 40 to 60 I think and 6ft 4
Yoda is written to get the energy out of nowhere, Qui Gon is written believably and realistically
@@ivandankob7112 Yoda has centimeters of training I'm pretty sure Yoda will learn how to use his speed more effectively than Qui gon
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Kit fisto was so great, he blocked 3 attacks from Darth Sidious.
Also Kit Fisto is one of the funniest names in star wars, and the series has so many of them.
Are u being serious or are u making fun of bad director decisions? Kit Fisto was probably better than Obi-Wan at the time
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@@you_like_men When Kit Fisto does a push up, he doesn't push up, the entire Star Wars universe goes down.
Qui Gons face at 3:29 is sooo much better when you realize this is the first time anyone has seen a sith, (besides when they briefly saw him earlier) no less one with a double sided lightsaber in a thousand years. He genuinely looks confused, and terrified about what would come next - almost as if he could feel it was coming. Bone chilling to think about, especially since his death essentially created Darth Vader.
He already knows what Maul is capable of since he fought him on Tatooine. I think he was more worried about Obi Wan.
@@ATLKing404 yeah but Maul only used one blade on Tatooine so this was the first time he saw a double bladed saber, I guess
@@russellcunningham2781I loved the choice of saving it for the final fight. Like they could have just let him use it on Tattoine and it would have been cool, but the way the door opens duel of the fates starts and hes like yeah bitch I'm back soooo good 😂
@@russellcunningham2781but the jedi temple guards have double-bladed lightsabers, they might be uncommon but they aren't by any means unheard-of or super rare.
@@russellcunningham2781 I doubt that. Aside from temple guards as another comment s said, there’s a decent chance guys like ping krell were around when Qui Gon was alive. He was definitely an older dude
I love the idea of form 3. Turtle down and let them wear themselves down.
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Yes but of course you must calm and center yourself keeping a level head. As always also, like master Qui- Gon stated, mind your surroundings.
Sounds like delaying your own defeat for the most part
In practice, it’s a terrible idea, because it just takes one missed block for you to be killed by an enemy lightsaber.
If they play fair
Technically speaking Dooku learned all 7 styles but specialized on the 2nd form because of his belief of saber to saber combat and it’s superiority. Which is ironically also his down fall in his last duel against Anakin.
Form 6 in the right hands is OP. It gave the user their own unique style. Definitely a master of all trades in the right hands.
All styles are OP in their way. 6 is strongest in versatility. You have the means to exploit weakness of the other styles. But you lose, if you try to compete in their respective speciality...
Most Niman users died in the geonosian arena. Its not really a practical style
@@Dantoo45it is, just these guys were at the level of the supermarket guard. For real jedi where dumbass for seeing this form as alternative and bypass to real training. So conclusion with the amount of the training they put into combat if they practice it any other form they would probably useless instead of that they were very weak.
@@tyber124 that sounds like a based, backed up by real source material statement and totally not your preference 🙃
@@Dantoo45 Darth Revan was absolute beast of fighter l,he was master of the Niman but also has actually Niman user mentality with extending your skills as much as possible by for example learning mandalorian hand to hand fighting style. Exar kun was one of the best duelist of his time, he developed his own version of the lightsaber that was pretty much Proto double lightsaber and could basically letting other lightsaber going through it to make him unpredictable as possible. Mentioned Darth Maul showed good skills of the form with his tactical approach with the fight on the Naboo he was mostly Juiyo master. You should check sources before writing kills reply: it was directly addressed that if you are not putting effort into this form you are either striking strong or fast but never both. In conclusion it was form that's required from you being well balanced and Creative but this dumbasses trained people that were barely putting any time and effort into lightsaber training, hence this is why it had nickname ,,diplomat form''. And sadly for them on geonosis they had hard reality check
Maul was a dedicated form 7 Juyo user. He may have supplemented his form with Niman to help with the double blade, but his primary form was Juyo.
Was literally looking to see if anyone else said this. 😆
Yes but he was a form VI guy also.
He was the ultimate Juyo user, to the point where he only sees his adversary and becomes unaware of his surroundings. I don't see at all how people would think he's a Niman user....
@@TheElite1102 He used form VI against Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon
@@igorivanov299 he used juyo and held back until they got separated
I love Vaapad, Form 7. It seems to adhere to Carl Jung's acknowledging and harnessing one's shadow self or inner monster. Instead of rejecting or attempting to master it, redirect it for good. Of course, there's the risk of being consumed by it if one is not careful.
*Ju-yo. Vaapad was mace windus personalized variant of it. But yes I definitely agree
The entire philosophy behind the form just makes a lot of sense to me. In my opinion, it is quite a difficult endeavor to abate one's own anger all the time. With Vaapad/Juyo, you're actually putting that energy into something useful, instead of simply trying to stow them away.
Makes me think of the persona series
Form 7 vaapad would be something goku would use if he was a Jedi. He loves the thrill of battle but has a good heart and knows not to be consumed by darkness
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Form I Shii-Cho: 0:57 Form II Makashi: 2:33 Form III Soresu: 3:37 Form IV Ataru: 4:40 Form V Shien / Djem So: 5:45 Form VI Niman: 6:54 Form VII Juyo / Vaapad: 7:45
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I read in The Jedi Path that Shien was for facing blasters and Djem So was for lightsabers; Anakin used the former against Dooku on Geonosis and learned the hard way to practice the latter.
Shien CAN be used in lightsaber duels, as not just Anakin, but also Plo Koon, Ahsoka and Galen Marek proved. It's less heavy-handed than Djem So and more technical and based on right timing. And yes, it has the infamous reverse grip variant.
@@yrooxrksvi7142 Any lightsaber form can be used in used in a duel, just as any martial art style can be used in a fight, some are more advisable than others. The focus of Shien is on blaster fire deflection; it does not work the best in lightsaber duels as Anakin has shown. The focus of Djem So is specifically on lightsaber to lightsaber combat, making it the more advisable choice in that scenario.
Actually... in the early days of the clone wars, Anakin was an Ataru user. However, he saw proficiency in Djem So. Then, he realized that Djem So had some flaws with limited movement to focus on powerful swings. Anakin then applied Ataru's sequences into Djem So and perfected the Form.
@@Th3og0ny No, he was a Shien/Ataru hybrid practitioner. They say it in multiple sources about his first bout with Dooku.
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This is how I mentally think of how the forms in real combat. Form 1: basic swings with wide swings for crowd control. Form 2: controlling the center line with duelist style. Form 3: defensive blocking with little movement. Form 4: using acrobatic if not charging or rushing your Opponents with quick strikes while circling them. Form 5: parry, counter and power strike Form 6: mix and match Form 7: anger.
Yeah. Which form would you say is your favorite, and which would you practice?
To think two of the greatest Jedi to ever live Anakin and Obi Wan were masters of Form 5 Djem So and Form 3 Soresu respectively. The Dark Lord of the Sith Darth Bane was a master of both.
Bane was only a master of Form 5, but skilled in Form 3 and Form 7. The latter he taught to his apprentice Zannah, he became a master of Form 3.
And was also made up later on…
@@tylerwade6539 he was so good at form three he could block a rain storm without getting touched
Form 7 seems underrated 👀
@@shaderyph it's literally all made up, so your point is irrelevant
Grevious was using lawnmower form💀🗿🍷
Form three for me. I like that it is defensive rather than aggressive. I also find it very clever. I enjoy Obi-Wan’s battles because he finds the vulnerability of the opponent and exploits it, which is in keeping with form three. It is not just physical but mental in a way the other forms are not. This is not to say the other forms are not mentally exerting, I just like the way it manifests in form three.
This is exactly why he beat Anakin Skywalker. Anakin was too aggressive and arrogant and obi wan was calm relaxed and defensive
Me too
I thoroughly enjoyed your descriptions of the saber forms, i favor Ju-yo/Vapaad
Form7 and form4,form2
Fun fact: there is actually a confirmed 8th style of lightsaber combat(not the duel wielding one) that the both Jedi and Sith equal hate, it’s name is trakate
Art of turning off the blade mid fight
Trakata* and it's a technique not a form. Nobody actually made it into a form because both sides shirked it.
That's a technique I would employ. Screw rules and honor. Honor means little when you are dead.
@@Styxswimmerthis technique actually does more harm than good as when u're dueling someone they're dueling to actually end u so the moment u turn off ur lightsaber ur only defence is gone and they can just slice u in half
@@mikhailthegreatestdragon3627 quick, you better tell George Lucas it isn't a form anymore
Form 1 is pretty much the basics. Form 2 is pretty much a higher quality of the basics but focuses on combat. Form 3 is pretty much just learning about defense and survival. Form 4 is pretty much jumping around with flips and spins. Form 5 is pretty much like a juggernaut. Form 6 is pretty much the jack of all trades but Master of none. And form 7 is pretty much fighting with your emotions which is considered the Sith style. I swear, Star Wars truly have such amazing lore. Would be cool if form 8 was the Mandalorian style to battle against force users. That would be cool
Darth Maul did not use form 6, he used the Juyo variation of form 7. Form 7 was looked down upon by the Jedi as it required to user to delight in the battle and draw upon their emotions, which was thought by the counsel to bring memebrs to close to the darkside. Only Mace Windu and his Vaapad variant we approved, and even then no one was really taught it as the few who did learn it fell to the darkside beside Windu. Vaapad had another special attribute that Juyo lacked. It not only took the users emotions to augment their feats, but it also took in the dark side fro their opponents and then redirected it back at them. This is why Windu easily bested Palpatine, as the stronger a users connection to the darkside is, the more it amps vaapad practitioners. Anakin actually asked Windu about learning Vaapad, but due to Mace sensing the termoil in him turned him down, thats why Anakin learned Form 5 instead, as its forcus on power and physicality was the second closes form battle maniacs 😆. Form 6 was known as the diplomat's form. As it was a balance between the other earlier form, making it a hybrid jack-of-all forms. Exar kun was a practitioner of this form.
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@@zBPS Google man. It takes only a few seconds. You can also find this o. KZhead from lore channels as well.
@@zBPSthink dude is actually sitting the book that the KZheadr is geeting the Combat Form pictures from
I’m definitely a Soresu practitioner. I’m the type that like to wait and observe my queries before determining how to approach them. But I’m definitely also a Form V user also (specifically Djem So) because once I establish some foundation I go in full force (and I’m a _big_ fella). In short, I’m the slow and steady kind of combatant and I favor resilience and strength over other stats.
Very reminiscent of OT Vader's style. Completely in control and calculating with strong deflections and parries until the opponent either rattles or wears down - then comes the overwhelming force.
Im a practitioner of soresu and makashi: I take controlled and slightly fast strikes. but when all goes to hell, I switch to soresu and defend until my opponent is so rage induced that I can easily defeat them.
So, I know you focused on canon continuity, but the interesting thing about Niman is that it can also be - at least in Legends - broken down in two categories. The first one is the diplomats version, the most widespread in the Jedi Order because given that it required less time to learn and master than other forms, and still gave a pretty wide range of skills, it was favoured by Jedi focusing more on mediation and diplomacy than actual fighting, but would still have the knowledge to defend themselves and others if and when the need arose; and the second one is the duelist version. That one basically strove to overcome every weakness each of the 5 previous forms had, and what's really neat about that version of Niman is that, many of the best duelists in the Legends continuity are actually masters of it. People like Exar Kun, Revan, or Darth Krayt, for example. Great breakdown by the way
Count Dooku is noted as the foremost practitioner of Form II, but he also used Form III and V when it suited him, as he did in AOTC. Indeed, with Count Dooku's noted capabilities as a multi-tasker, so easily employing devastating Force attacks mid-duel, Form III would be positively lethal when practiced by him, just waiting for an enemy to leave the slightest opening in their guard.
Thank you 🤗💯 I would prefer form 7, Vaapad. Although it holds many cautions, it is the one form that I would apply to my daily training - mastering one’s emotions. Which explains why Mace was so rigid; he had to be - I respect that 💯
Yeah it is a cool form, relying on the jedi user to be strong in controlling their emotions.
Awesome breakdown of all the lightsaber forms. There are very few who properly research or are willing to make such a complete vid. Thank you
As a HEMA practitioner, I've had the opportunity to learn proper historical swordplay and more importantly be able to spar and as a result have discovered my own sort of fighting style, which I'd say is a mix between forms 2 and 4. Because I mainly fight with the Italian dueling saber, an elegant weapon for a more civilized age, I favor the elegance of Form 2 and because I am shorter than many of the people I spar with and therefore have less reach than them I have discovered that the most reliable way for me to win a duel is to close in as quickly as possible with a flurry of strikes and feints.
You will have even longer reach if you use a gun. 😀 I think that what we mostly see in StarWars - lightsabers with long handle and using it with both hands pretty much doesn't make sense, it's light and we can say that blade has zero weight, even when we can't know that sure, it's definitely lighter than metal swords and better balanced, so using some rapier-like style one handed with longer blade makes the most sense to me, which is what Dooku was doing. But yes, long handle and using it like katana looks cool, but I wish there were more rapier/saber-like fencers in StarWars, like Dooku. Also, if lightsaber can go thru pretty much anything without any force, why cutting with that like with katana with both hands? One handed rapier style gives you better reach while you still can chop off hands and legs because it's fu*king lighsaber. 😀
I thought the Star Wars forms were all made up and just choreographed for the movies and shows? Do they actually have real world influences? If so, where can i start learning them for real?
I read this in the voice of the Chosen from Smosh
@@geekchic8495in the original films it was based loosely on Kendo , hence the Japanese style names
@@geekchic8495a fencer would get whooped if using any Star Wars lightsaber form
My favorite forms are Soresu & Shien. As they both heavily focus on defense aspects which I love, while Shien can countered when needed and has a arsenal backing it up. I would imagine myself to master both of these forms and blend them well making it a great combo. When dealing with duels (Doesn’t matter if it’s 1v2, 1v3, etc) & blasters.
Kinda insane how this is so good and you only have a few k subs
Agreed, this is one of the best breakdowns of this topic I've seen.
Form 3 is basically the idea of "Ju" from Judo and Jujitsu. The "Ju" in both words refers to the underlying principle of "minimum effort, maximum efficiency". Basically: rely on technique, not strength
An old coach once told me that judo literally translates to "the gentle way"
@@joewoodland8635 Your old coach is correct. That "Ju" part means Gentle or "Yielding" (as in yield to the push or pull of your opponent, doing the opposite action of them so as to off-balance them with their own energy, thereby conserving your own energy). Thus, if someone pushes you, pull them. If someone pulls you, push them. Either way, they are bound to be off-balanced, and, as long as you maintain your balance, you maintain the strength advantage and the correct leverage to throw your opponent (even if, on the surface, your opponent has more physical strength than you).
Reading about these forms for the first time was interesting. They're pretty much the fictional equivalent of real bladed martial arts we have.
It's pretty neat how they decided to put this much detail into it, yeah. One of the things I like so much about Star Wars.
I could see myself preferring form 4 when I’m young and fit. Then gradually learning Djem-so, Soresu and Vaapad. Drawing from my athletic experience, i’ve always been very nimble and fast, moderately strong with excellent balance. As i’ve gotten a little older, i dont quite have the energy i once did, but i still move better than most. But I’ve always had that inner shadow that I was never sure how to handle until my mid 20’s.
You had to master atleast 3 other forms to be allowed training in form 7 :)
Awesome video, really enjoyed the video. I prefer Jen-so as well as soresu- a good balance of offense and defence
I'd go with Form 5, I may not have always been the biggest and strongest nor the leanest and fastest in the room but I've always been strong enough to compete with the strongest and fast enough to compete with the fastest. Form 5 looks and sounds like it allows one to use all of their natural physical athletic abilities and traits from strength, speed, dexterity, endurance, cardio, etc. but with discipline and technique while also being a perfect balance between having both an effective offensive and defensive game. It is always good to have both and to never neglect one over the other. It also looks like it gives you options in case one thing fails you, you have another technique or trait to resort to. For example if you are up against someone stronger, be faster or if you're up against someone who is better at offense, switch to defense and vice versa, and Form V allows the practitioner to do so.
You'd be right in assuming that Form V allows users to really leverage their athletic abilities and gives users both good offensive and defensive traits. However, the form isn't without its shortcomings. Form V uses linear footwork, meaning they tend to travel in straight lines. In the case of Djem So especially, you want to be travelling straight towards and through your opponent. With it being so strength based, it is physically demanding without being particularly mobile as noted above. While it tends to plow straight through practitioners of Makashi (as we saw when Anakin defeated Count Dooku at the start of RotS) which also uses linear footwork, Soresu is capable of stonewalling Djem So until they tire or get frustrated (as we saw when Obi Wan defeated Anakin at the end of RotS) and Ataru is capable of simply evading it and catching it from an unexpected angle. This is all dependent upon the skill levels of the practitioners in the duel of course. Form V was developed by Jedi who thought Soresu was too passive, it is derived directly from Soresu. This means there is plenty of overlap and it is often easy for Form V practitioners to learn Soresu alongside. This provides a nice fallback in case you feel a combat situation isn't going as planned. Ataru especially is one of the most physically demanding forms to use and is strong against Form V, Soresu provides a way of defending against it while conserving energy compared to both Form V and Ataru. Makashi is also surprisingly similar to Djem So in terms of footwork, meaning it should be easier than most to learn to incorporate techniques from it and add them to your toolbox. Sometimes it is easier to unbalance an opponent by parrying and sidestepping, allowing then to overextend than try to block so hard you knock an opponent backwards.
@@nathanmitchell9695 Isn't Shien another variation of Form V except it offers a more defensive game and strategy to the user it's basically a cousin style to Soresu
@@Arkhuman11 Shien is the variant of Form V designed for blaster deflection. Djem So is the variant designed for lightsaber duelling
@@nathanmitchell9695 I wouldn't say Djem So plows through Makashi like some type disadvantage from pokemon but more of Dooku was just really old at that point. A few years younger and he would be stonewalling Anakin as well not like Obi Wan who was like hitting a literal wall but more along the lines of "You can't hit me! you can't hit me" where you feel the lightsaber contact but it never goes where you want it to because of all those parries and deflects thus making it more frustrating then Soresu. The clone wars cartoon both the 2008 and 2003 one shows Dooku doing this.
@@alexanerose4820 there is a lot more to it than that yes. But there's no denying that in a duel between a Djem So user and a Makashi user, the Djem So user has a natural advantage based upon lightsaber style.
My favourite forms are Makashi and Djem So
I love all of them. Form 3, 4, 5, & 7 Vapaad are my fav. Just subscribed notifications bell on!!!
I think personally the best form to use would be a form that would heavily draw from the combat and force teachings of form VI with the emotional control of form 7
Shien was actually more geared toward multiple opponents or ones armed with blasters, though could be used effectively in lightsaber combat.
I would use a combination of forms 2 and 3. You get the dueling capabilities against other Lightsaber users and great defensiveness from blaster fire.
Form 2 and Form 3 are my favorites. I like how form 2 is specifically made for lightsaber dueling and therefore is quite effective in a duel. But I also like how form 3 is mainly defensive, embodying what the Jedi are supposed to be. Also Obi-Wan is my favorite Jedi and he uses form 3 so.....
I would primarily use form v, both shien and djem so, I would mix ataru's mobility to counteract form V's slowness, and form 3's defenses to save energy while giving myself impenetrable defenses.
Or you could use form II as a substitute for form III
so in other words, just a master of Niman
So... Form 6?
@@dragonmage372 even Obi-Wan mixed in a lot of Ataru to deal with the shortcomings of form 3
Sounds similar to what Darth Zannah used in combination with Sith sorcery.
Hard to think of a better plan than Mastering forms 2 & 3. You'd be pretty much set.
Why? Form 5 is basically the combination and synergising of both.
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I definitely use a hybrid form with Djem So as the basis, Ataru for footwork and unpredictability, and Soresu for defense to fall back on
So Niman
@@jDiddyi Rather Vader's version of FormV without the Makashi
Dooku is amazing to watch duel. His form is so elegant.
The mindset of Vaapad reminds me of a Saiyan’s battle instincts from DBZ, and even more so of Vegeta’s Ultra Ego from the DBS manga lol. The latter is even purple just like Windu’s blade
Form 3 & form 7 for me would be pretty much it! I dont mind to fall for the dark side. Sith is cool!
I would use shien like Ashoka personally, I’ve always favored reverse grip and I find it to be very balanced offensively and defensively. I’d also combine it with Ataru’s mobility while I’m young and Niman’s mastery of the force while in lightsaber combat as I age cause Ataru doesn’t age well as we saw with qui gon
It's not balanced at all offensively, you severely limit your range of motion and moveset with it which is why it is never used by basically anyone else and Anakin tries to break her of it. You also need a strong grip for it to serve any purpose defensively since you will only be able to use one hand with it. As for Qui-Gon, his problem is that he let his conditioning slip because he had no need to keep it in top shape, Maul was able to prey on that. Had Qui-Gon survived and fought in the Clone Wars he would have been fine.
I'd Learn as much as could from Form 1 shii cho, but would also want to learn and master Form 5 shien, Form 6 Niman and Form 7 Vaapad, but I'd really look into the rest of the forms. I would imploy parts of all other forms. I would include slashes, blocks, mostly just pieces from parts of Form 2 Makashi, Form 3 Soresu, Form 5 Djem So, Form 7 Juyo and Form 8 Tràkata. I just dont see learning and leaning on just one form as the better Form, having a mixed form makes you unpredictable, and knowing Of the other forms allows you to understand a possible attack or approach or dig into the mind of the Opponent you face, are they Aggressive, will they push to attack or defend, what sort of area would better fit their style so you dont fight in that area. Just cause you read about other forms or try some of the moves of it may provide benefits. If i was a jedi I'd want to spar with Mace Windu, Dooku, Yoda, Anakin, Kenobi, I wouldnt duel them per say but just Spar and find my weaknesses and find ways to learn from their actions. I would also want a two handed lightsaber, that could be a Dual bladed Lightsaber. One that i could switch from regular to reverse grip by hitting a button and changing just the blade, or hit the switch and go to a dual blade if i so needed.
I would master them all but favour soresu, this is because I like the idea of defence instead of attack. Obi wan was originally form 4 but when qui gon died he decided to use soresu as it allowed him to correct his masters mistakes. He mastered soresu in revenge of the sith. Dispite his low midiklorian count he was one of the first to master soresu in such a short amount of time. Soresu not only allows the user to be used against blaster and lightsaber but also allows the user to have a distinct advantage against both. It was said that they would rarely lose a battle, and when mastered they could defend themselves against “an army of battle droids, clones, or blaster wielding foes” for hours without taking a hit. Baring in mind that with enough practise the user can deflect blaster bolts back at the enemy, the user has a very big advantage of surviving.
All forms are in relationship too our chakras. Form 7 is for sure the most challenging. Because it is very much beyond whats physical. Going beyond conditioning. Embracing Lust and Pride And bringing it into Light And allowing yourself to rise into grace and Love ❤❤ Sw is so beutiful.
I know it’s unusual but I would use Niman it is rarely used because it’s used the best when you master all forms because it is a good mesh of all forms it’s a jack of all trades form so you would be able to adapt to any situation and if you look back masters of this form become the best duelist of their time anyway liked your description of all forms
I love samurai and I love jedi. This video has everything with the atmosphere and music to go with! I love it!
The portrayal of Vaapad in Matthew Stover’s Shatterpoint is pretty awesome.
Form five strikes me as the most balanced one over-all. It sounds like the best choice for a Jedi who trains seriously for various combat situations: Defensive but with the underlying intent to defeat the opponent. Focused on being in control of the fight, rather than just surviving or winning as quickly as possible. Effective, but not overly specialized.
I don't get the difference between 5 and 6, aren't they both defined as being balanced
@@spicymeatballs2thespicening Honestly, I don't quite get what Form 6 is supposed to be. It sounds like a sort of generalized hybrid style that is okay at most things but not really great at any.
@@spicymeatballs2thespicening I describe form 6 as the Casual Style. Yeah still dangerous because it's a hot plasma sword being swung aginst you but against someone who knows what their doing it will , depending on how many options you trained it, buy you enough time to realize that you should've trained in the other forms more before you lose your head. Like any Jack of trades, you'll survive but you'll never thrive
@@spicymeatballs2thespicening ig form 5 is like professional dojo martial arts, and form 6 is like the street learned martial arts. A.k.a form 5 is more systematic and structured than form 6 and has a philosophical basis, whereas form 6 is more like response and counter. Also i noticed that niman seems to be often used with two blades, but i guess not strictly. Either way in summary, form 6 is kinda like you take bits of each form and stick them together. But in a geometric sense you have forms 2, 3 and 4 representing the extremeties of the triangle philosophy of offense, defense and agility, with form 5 being the circumcentre, form 6 is above form 5, and forms the tip of the triangular pyramid. Form 1 is the space encompassed by the plane between forms 2-4 as its basically just the raw ability to swing and maneuver a light saber and like form 5, can be customised to the users fit, but unlike form 5 which is a fixed point and relatively rigid and comes as a complete set of techniques, form 1 is like the manual version of that, where you can alter your agility, offense and defence combination, but naturally at the cost of proficiency and specialisation. Form 1 is the complete set of all lightsaber techniques. This then splits into 2 sets, the unaccepted techniques became form 7, and the accepted techniques formed a 3 way venn diagram where form 2 is the offensive subset, form 3 the defensive subset, form 4 the agility/mobility subset, form 5 is the intersection of these three sets, form 6 is the union of these three subsets.
4 and 7 seem like the best combination, just overwhelming all your opponents. Also the fact that these would allow you to completely give yourself into the battle, sounds almost like a guaranteed win tbh.
comes with a cost of very high fatigue espically if any sub par or even above average forve wielder used it any master of form 5 or 3 could very easily tire out someone utilizing 7 and 4
Stamina is they key issue there. It would actually be perfect for someone like grievous whose robotic limbs don't have fatigue issues
Aside from the fact that Maul was a form VII user, specifically Juyo, not form VI, one thing you overlook was the dual wielding lightsaber combat style. It's not the Shien variant of form V. Shien was specifically geared towards deflecting blasters back to firing enemies and was not favored by Ahsoka; she initially used Djem So as Anakin but later switch to the Dual Wielding style know as Jar'Kai. One other famous practicioner of Jar'Kai was Exar Khun, which later switched to Form VI, Niman, after constructing the first dual bladed lightsaber in history. This will probably get buried but saying that Maul was a form VI User and that Shien was geared towards a dual wielding fighting approach are kinda big mistakes, sorry but there's no point in sugar coating it, and you probably won't care anyway.
What were those pictures at the start of each form from?
I like both the form 3 and form 7. If I had to choose, I'd merge the two together to make an aggressive but calculating technique which relies heavily on situational awareness and combat inteligence or strategy. Light blocks and parries followed by quick and powerful counter attacks.
That is essentially djem so.
Djem So and Shien are pretty much ninja vs samurai.
djem so is the bruce lee of and ip man of all fighting forms
I personally apologize for commenting Kate in this video ,but I would like to say that I favor the seventh form and specifically it's vapaad variant since it is challenging and I enjoy a good challenge. Not only that it also reminds me of one of my favorite concepts which is that of a Super Saiyan since in both you are harnessing your emotions and desire for battle in your favor.
I think I would take up Form 7. Great video. Thank you.
Form 2 and form 6, I would also have a curved hilted lightsaber and a double bladed one as well.
I'd be form 2 or 7. My lightsaber skills wouldn't be the greatest but my strength would be with the force. I'd have red force lightning, great telekinesis, and the sith seeker ability. I would rarely ever use my saber
Bravo. This was absolutely fantastic.
Id say the choice depends on my force ability. If i were adept enough i would make use of it like yoda did with form 4. But i also have a great respect for simplicity in fights and would probably stay with form 1 as long as possible.
As a young Jedi fleeing the empire I would use so many new/dirty tricks, especially Trakata…. imagine spinning your saber. Then right as they’re about to clash w/ your opponent you shut it off and your opponent completely over swings and can’t compensate before it’s to late. Absolutely nobody would have trained to be prepared for this
its my single biggest problem with lightsaber combat in-universe; theres literally no reason to put force behind a swing if your cutting edge doesnt need momentum
@@viviolet7 most of this is why lightsaber combat is unique and fun. Not just the tool but the differences which create a whole new kind of combat. I still believe lightsaber blades are weightless despite what many argue. Things like that make it fantasy rather then just swords with a glow in the dark aesthetic
@@viviolet7 There is. You need to apply force to actually cut matter. Stronger attacks = easier cuts.
@@viviolet7 why? No force= easy disarm
Unpopular take incoming, but it has to be said. Trakata is easily the most overrated and misunderstood lightsaber form in Star Wars. Yes, if you're about to clash lightsabers and your beam suddenly disappears, they will no longer have a beam to clash with. Guess what they now DO have to 'clash' with? You. There's a very easy and practical reason why almost no-one on either side of the Force wanted anything to do with Trakata. The code-of-honor reason is just a cover-up story to dissuade inquisitive younglings.
Trickster, Swordmaster, Gunslinger, Royal Guard, Quicksilver, Doppelganger, Dark Slayer There's your 7 styles
I’d probably would be a Djem-So practitioner since I love the idea of using defensive tactics to turn into brutal offense, but since I also have a berserker battle rage that could potentially pop up, Juyo could also be a form.
Djem-So seems like a good choice. Gives both defensive and offensive options. But, it requires a user that is very adaptable.
I always thought maul used form 7 he just looks so aggressive. I never would have thought he'd be using form 6
Maul is a master of juyo and one of the main users of that fighting style. He is also just as skilled in form 6. You gotta remember the guy was trained by palpatine the master of form 7. They probably just didn’t want to use maul as an example for 2 forms in a row but if you look up juyo users maul is one of the first names that come up.
I would use Form VII, spefifically Juyo.
Where is the scene at 7:15 from?
If I had to choose a lightsaber combat form, I would create a unique form of my own. But here's where things get tricky. This unique form I would create requires mastery of the original seven forms since it incorporates elements from them. One of the key aspects of this form is similar to Vaapad, but instead of channeling emotion, one must let go of everything. Basically, you must empty your mind. Be formless, shapeless. Like water. Through this kind of style, one can use both the light and dark sides of the Force in unison, while harnessing equal amounts of power from both sides and thereby creating balance within themselves
Maybe I just spent too much time in IT, but I love the concept of trakata, turning it off and on again. Seems easier to do, and sidestep their lightsaber while they fall into the blade themselves. Maybe mix with form 1 or 3?
Totally agree. As a young Jedi fleeing the empire I would use so many new/dirty tricks like Trakata imagine spinning your saber. Then right as they’re about to clash you shut it off and your opponent completely over swings and can’t compensate before it’s to late. Absolutely nobody would have trained to be prepared for this
@@alexandermaxwell9099 Jedi and sith both agree it's a dirty trick. I call it, dead is still dead, and I'd rather be a dirty fighter who didn't die.
@@fleurpouvior2967 exactly. Imagine a whole arena of unique fighting locked behind the morality of both Jedi and Sith. Trakata really is accepting a lightsaber for what it is
@@fleurpouvior2967 In the words of Darth Bane “Honor is a fools prize. Glory is of no use to the dead.”
@@goldblooded1235 Darth Bane is hands down my favorite Star Wars character. Just finished re reading his trilogy, he puts to shame most SW Sith/Jedi barring ones like Revan.
Form 5 is definitely for me. Fighting defensively while waiting/building an offensive opening has the intelligence of Form 3 without the passivity holding it back.
The 3 Soresu shape is my style, the one that suits me best. Shii cho should not be ignored, used when other forms fail, its simplicity is a gurantee and a friend is always there when is need
Excellent breakdown. It sounds like you’re breaking down martial arts. In essence all 7 forms would create a perfect duelist.
I think it would be really interesting if they incorporated this into games like Fallen Order or Survivor. Being able to select which combat forms you prefer to play would make the games feel a lot more flexible in regard to player choice. Just thought that would be a rad idea. Great video!
You pretty much do, Cal uses most of the forms in jedi survivor, shi-cho might be the single blade, an argument could be made for ataru because of his acrobatics. Makashi is used with the blaster form, anytime you deflect a blaster bolt back at an enemy is advanced form 3, two blades is form 5 and any time you use force in battle, that falls into form 6. Only one I don't see evidence of in game is juyo. But as that's all about aggression, that's really on you in game. Just what I see though, could be completely wrong
Form 5 is my favorite and it’s how I try and play survivor. It works off of timing your blocks and Parrys to look for aggressive openings. In survivor, I always try to time my party’s to put the opponents off and then strike fast, then evade back to start again
@@stevieb3432 both games?
Form V Shien and Djem So. A worthy discipline prepared for any threat.
Does anyone know a book about these 7 forms, or do we still don't release it?
2:26 that is a really generous way to put it 😂
Darth Maul mastered Form VII Juyo, it is a variant of Vaapad but it is an offensive style od combat and uses hate and power to defeat an enemy simmilar to Vaapad, Form VI Niman however is the form that Darth Sidious mastered, offensive style and it is quite misterious and unpredictable as it is the least known Form that the Jedi know, it is also forbidden in Jedi order
Slight correction... Vaapad is a variant of Juyo, created by Windu to use as a tool in addressing his weakness to controlling his emotions. Juyo existed long before Vaapad did.
Ah yes the thrush of vaapad my female friends have complained of this many time 😂😂
I'd use Djem So. I like the use of brute strength and power while performing this style
My favorite form is the Usu Kai Ken.
Maul used Juyo against Qui Gon Jin not Niman.I would use 7
Yeah, he used Juyo there. Obi-Wan and Qui Gon were at a disadvantage both using Ataryu with limited space on the walkways. That ultimately led to Qui Gon's death and is what pushed Obi-Wan to study and master Soresu and abandon Ataryu.
Vapaad sounds a lot like my personality but if it was banned then I guess either 6 or 5, probably 5 ...really good analysis video really enjoyed this and was better condensed than most I think. good job. 👍
I'll go with Form 6. But I'll dedicate mastery of it alongside Form 2 and 5, and maybe some Form 4 mobility too.
Interesting content. I always fight in games like yoda. Always pushing
I’d probably want to do Form V because Vader is my favorite character, but would probably be better suited at Form III as I conserve energy a lot and wait for opportune moments.
VERY good summary! You did an outstanding job on most forms and gave great examples. However I have to disagree with you in terms of Niman and Maul. Maul was (in the books) a true blademaster that mastered and combined all 7 forms but his go to form was Juyo. Form 6 (Niman) is the 'diplomat's form' - yes, it is canonically considered as combination of all previous forms but if you take a closer look at the Jedi showdown on Geonosis you get a clue why it is called 'diplomat's form' - it was an easy but effective style for non-warriors. It's funny how every form is described as 'best': II should be best for classic duels, but III is unbeatble if mastered. IV is also said to be unbeatble when wielded by a master in a straight forward one on one ... and so on. I like how Karpyshyn described the styles in his Bane trilogy - true masters use moves from every form, blend them together or incorporate sudden and stark switches ... there is no best and only form - it all depends on the situation, the opponent and the adaptiveness ;-) Fun fact: Obi-Wan was going ALL for Ataru (because he thought it was the best at the time being and admired Qui-Gon), but the death of his master showed him the disadvantages in terms of defense - so he switched to the most guarded and 'passive' form ... style III (that he became famous for).
So what forms do Bo-katan and Din jarin use with the dark light saber
It makes a lot of sense that Ahsoka would use Shien tbh. Bc I always saw her as a healthy mix between Obi Wan and Anakin. So it makes sense she would learn Djem So from Anakin and then include the Soresu aspects gradually. I also love to see how her dueling style changes. She started with one saber, and later added the shoto for her offhand. Its just so cool to see bc we dont really see that much shift from anyone else! Anakin and Obi Wan fight in their well established styles by the time we see them fight often. But Ahsoka gets to develop and change her style as she discovers what works for her.
Juyo is my pick with dual sabers. Speed and ferocity of engagement.
Form 5 Djem So is my favorite as I love the potent counterstrikes but form 4 is still a close 2nd.
i think vaapod is extremely dangerous to siths. in the book revenge of the sith, it states how windu didnt just draw on his on darkness but also sidious's darkness when they fought. the stronger sidious was, the stronger windu got, it emwas heavily implied that sidious knew he couldnt beat windu hence why he resorted to trickery. windu would have crushed sidious if not for anakin. wish we got more of his style 😊
I think I would choose Gem-So. I enjoy both the ideas of Ataru and Soresu, and Gem-So sort of combines the 2.
Form 7 requires a very strenuous and continuous use of the Force, and a strong mastery over one's emotions in relation to Force energy - General Grievous doesn't wield the force, therefore he was not taught all forms of lightsaber combat lol
I'm more of a Soresu guy. I'm all about bolstering defensives and waiting for an opportunity to strike. Hunker down, take some punishment and then when there's an opening, you strike hard.
My favorite is form 7 vapod. I do enjoy lightsaber duels but knowing my style I usually stick to a mixture of 3 and 4.
I'd choose form 6. Sounds like the swiss army knife of lightsaber forms. A pretty safe option since you have a bit of everything.