Fueling up the Toyota Mirai with hydrogen - new fuel cell vehicle
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You know what the advantage over electric cars is? This only takes about the same time as a gas car to fill up instead of half an hour, etc.
Great point!
The mirai is a electric car
However there are some huge disadvantages; One, you can't "fill up" at home like you can with a BEV. Two, the ever-growing energy storage capacity and V2G transfer efficiency capabilities of BEVs make them become a money-making asset rather than a liability compared to all other vehicles.
I would say the more important advantage is being able to recharge at high speed without loosing efficiency. The cost though is that you can no longer charge at home. Personally, I could never give up waking up to a fully charged car every morning and never having to worry about "going to get" range, so I wouldn't be interested in owning one of these. But for commercial drivers and people without garages and/or assigned parked spots near wall outlets this is a much better option. Btw, the reason for that efficiency is that a fuel cell is just a battery where the recharge cycle of the battery occurs outside of the chemical cell, the gaseous cathode and anode (hydrogen and oxygen) are "charged" (seperated from water) at an energy-efficient rate off-vehicle. This can take however long it needs to in order for the reaction to be efficient. The vehicles battery is than rapidly "recharged" by replacing the spent cathode and anode with already-charged quantities (from a tank and the air respectively).
@@ForzaJersey Source? My understanding is that most wind/solar grids use grid stored energy for stabilization, BEVs are a nice supplement that bring the storage/balancing cost down, but the grid isn't engineered around them. Hmm, electrolytic hydrogen generation stations would actually be super effective grid storage devices. While I've seen many arguments of "it's impractical because it will require 'a lot' of storage" the only reports that actually run the numbers on the required storage vs the cost of the 80,000,000,000+ ft^3/day of natural gas consumption, 3,000,000+ tons/day of coal are the ones showing that 100% renewability is feasible.
So what happens if you chose the option "no" for the question about, have you been trained in refueling? Will tom from Toyota showup?
Yup, a drone appears and drops him off!
XD
I thought his name was tim
It would probably pull up a series of prompts simply explaining how to refuel.
ever been to a website and it asked you if you were over age of 18 and said no?
i hope you cancelled that credit card cause covering it up didn't really work
SeanMeals this cant be a Toyota spokesperson. Lame
Its a debit card we should ask him for the pin 😂
Its a fuel card
Lmao
🤔WTF!! 🤷♂️
This is way better than a Tesla
Different technology. Better in some sense, worse in others. Thank you for watching.
H35 and H70 refer to pressure, 35 kilopascals and 70 kilopascals. 35 kpa =5,000 psi, 70 kpa = 10,000 psi. Yes, 5 tons per square inch, that is why the tanks are very expensive carbon fiber construction.
It's nice to see someone using metric in the USA.
Chris Muir - thanks I was wondering what that was. Makes me nervous seeing that much pressure in a tank. What happens if you hit a tank at that pressure... I couldn't drive this.
David K If you go to this cars website you'll see that the tanks won't explode at high speed accidents, it lets out the hydrogen right when if crashes so that nothing bad happens like your car exploding
Alex Trex thanks I'll check it out.
David K No prob, glad to help
10000 psi!that's a bomb on wheels
Isn't driving around with 12 gallons of liquid gasoline in a metal tank a bomb on wheels too?
Luxury Fred no its not, the gasoline is not pressurized anywhere close to the hydrogen
I know it's not under much pressure (in the tank) but it's still a metal tank filled with highly flammable liquid!
Luxury Fred doesn't matter, search shooting a gasoline tank, you'd be surprised nothing happens. Now try the same thing with a pressurised tank, completly different
I agree, but you get my point, it's still flammable and dangerous, though less so than hydrogen.
He forgot to mention to light a cigarette and take a smoke break while pumping hydrogen.
Very relaxing idea!
lol
awesome
Those things are everywhere in my city, it’s awesome, I’ve made a hydrogen battery, and not the normal ones that u could find online, another one
What city is that?
@Ryan Nguyen I agree. And there are not even that many stations here in CA. I live in Palm Springs and there are no stations out here or even between here and Los Angeles. You need to live in LA to have one. Thanks for watching and please subscribe to my channel!
Seems to me it should be fairly easy to set up a recharge station in your home. Have a device with a solar panel which is connected to your house's water supply. It uses the electricity from the panel to separate out hydrogen from the water by process of electrolysis and then fill up as needed.
Good idea. I think there are solar set-ups that would work and Tesla has a new home battery system.
Then you need to pressurize the hydrogen to 10,000 PSI. The amount of electricity used in a hydrogen car is 3 times the amount used to charge an EV.
Problem is storing the flammable gas. Electrolysis of water doesn't work as well in a high pressure environment, so you have to off gas the oxygen, store the hydrogen at atmospheric pressure in a bladder, then every so often pump the bladder into a storage tank using a special flammable gas pump. Set it up to fill your storage tank to the right pressure and then fill as needed. Not cheap or easy. The channel Cody lab made a system like this to heat a house.
Wow.. i love it guys.. Wow
Have you seen the prices on these?? Lease returns are back and these are selling for under $15K in many places. The problem is hydrogen stations are just not available in many areas. I live in Palm Springs and there are no stations out here or between here and LA, so I can't drive one. Thanks for watching and please subscribe to my channel!
My wife and I have two Toyota, a Camry SE 2017, and a Prius 2016 Touring, we always driving the Prius, we filled the tank like with $22! Prius are so cool! They’re fast and economic, love it, the Camry we are waiting for the RAV4 Hybrid to exchange the Camry.
You are very smart, great car choices. This is a little different animal, more for someone who commutes the same route each day and lives close to a hydrogen station. Thank you for watching!
When you make H2 using energy (and not just extract it from fossil deposits), you can add an extra step and make methanol, ethanol or even gasoline directly the same way. So while industrial H2 production will kick up very soon, I think the benefit of being able to make liquid fuel and put it into existing cars will win over needing a whole new set of cars and new refueling infrastructure.
I tend to agree, but there's obviously a big push for hydrogen fuel cell cars from the manufacturers. They seem committed to the technology.
and thanks for watching.
Good idea for Nature indeed.
Hydrogen is a horrible solution foisted on the world by the oil companies. They are selling you natural gas that has be processed into Hydrogen by releasing the CO2 into the atmosphere. That is not progress. Even generating Hydrogen from electric power is only 30% efficient. Battery powered electric cars are twice as efficient as Hydrogen cars. Toyota and other companies promoting Hydrogen are trying to fool the public. Very sad.
@@danaolson2871 still the batteries of the cars are more contaminating as well and they have to mine the components of them and those components are toxic and normally are mined by underage worker living by miserable wages so whats your point ?
Toyota should put this technology into the Camry! Make it main stream!
Thanks for watching the video. Seems like even though the technology is great, the infrastructure isn't there yet. Check the news, there are hydrogen shortages out there and Mirai owners are mad.
Okay, major concern is the fact that the tank is carbon fiber that when filled will hold 10,000 psi of notrogen gas. Given the fact that carbon fiber, just like fiber glass, is susceptible to cracking from mfg flaws and stress, I can imagine a flawed tank blowing at a filling station or traffic accident.
Thanks for watching and that's a good point. They are more than just carbon fiber, here is the info from Toyota "Our multi-patented, carbon-fiber-wrapped, polymer-lined tanks are built in a three-layer structure and absorb five times the crash energy of steel."
the only way I can see it as not being a success is because of people who don't know much about how it works being scared of it, or of gas companies trying to stop it's success. I actually had some idiot who told me a hydrogen powered car was a bad idea because no one would want a nuclear bomb for a car. I had to explain that a hydrogen fuel cell is not using nuclear fusion.
Fusion is better than turbo!
Casey McMasters or cus it's expensive and what if I run out of hydrogen while I'm on the road
Costs'll go down as the technology progresses. It's not practical for common people today but hopefully in the future
Its stupid to choose this over direct electric. You can charge at home, not to mention battery tech is still fairly new. Solid state batteries could potentially have cars go thousnds of miles a charge. Advance super capacitors will charge batteries in few minutes if not seconds. While you cannot escape hydrogen physics and hence are limited in future advancement just like ICE cars.
I think that was a figure of speech.....I was thinking the same thing though.. I don't want 10000 psi in anything near me!!!! If somebody crashes into you good luck...
awesome blur XD
This chevron is on santa monica blvd beside the 405 freeway
Exactly, and the gas is expensive there, so the hydogen probably is too
There’s a reason only 3000 have sold since entering production.
What's the reason?
Jasonsenipor get outta here
Jack Li ha ha you are the same category of people who see obstacles instead of opportunities. If world listened to folks like you then we would still be getting around in horse carts.
Jasonsenipor they don't care how clean the "fuel" is what ever they tell us is a lie. First they said diesel is better than gasoline. The only thing they care is the profit and the political benefits. BTW, The technology exist for a very long time.
Jack Li how do you produce electricity if you don't have a nuclear plant or hydro station around?
what i learn from first grade ofuniversity at class of chimestry is not play with pression and H2. I prefer electric for drive car and H2 for SpaceShip (when era of spaceship arrive)
Good point!
That era is here ;)
Look at that ring, that is what a sales person looks like
Good eye!
Yep, they are full of shit but wearing one of those gives them accountability for some reason, I guess people with kids think that if this guy is making it they can too
Awesome 🍒🇺🇸
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1:15 Such a professional he calls it Mega Amperes. I think he means 70MPa or Mega Pascal. The Pascal is a beautiful SI unit for N/m^2. Translates to 10152psi.
Thank you for the info, I think you are correct since there's no electricity involved in that part!
I'm stuck either in the Bay Area or LA with this, cannot go anywhere else.
Yes, well you have to live in those areas to buy or lease one. You can take it anywhere you want, but there isn't a good hydrogen infrastructure out there. There is a website that shows where all the stations are nationally.
What happens if you let it run out of fuel? I know at work we used hydroden fuel cells and they REALLY did not want us to let them run out of fuel in our equipment because it would eventually destroy the fuel cell.
That's another problem, if you run out, you are stuck and the car is dead. You would need to be towed to a hydrogen station,
It should have hybrid option to refill another tank runs on diesel or petrol in case if hydrogen fuel run out and no hydrogen fuel stations nearby
@@vamshi19881 it would need a new engine
What different between mirai with car electric?
The difference is the way the electricity is generated. For an electric car, the batteries are charged by plugging them into an outlet or charger. For the Mirai, the batteries are charged by a hydrogen fuel cel, not by plugging it in. The batteries and electric motor system are almost the same, it's just the way it's charged.
I think I should work for tayota. I wanna be all around tayota - I wanna be in sales, I wanna be in service, everything! I financed the 2016 Prius since it came out. I think I'll always be impressed
You should!! If you're passionate about the brand, you would be great for them.
So its only 50 cents less than gas prices for 57k car? Crazy
Key Atm because the user still limited. arab saudi oil lifting have been cost more then it's price today, but since arab saudi surpluses with millions of barrels and they still very rich and they also have to support the world global jihadist and propagandas and political correctness bout their religion of peace so they basically sell their oils under break even point. once hydrogen car are more common or electric car become mandatory in many European countries then the oil price will be drop even deeper until the petrol companies change their businesses. maybe we will be seeing decline on global jihad terror attacks after 20 or 30 years in the futures after automotive industries stop using petrol. don't forget guys every time u burn your gasoline that mean u supporting the terrorists to buy weapons, recruiting people through propagandas that funded by saudi petro dollars. research and stop burning oils for better future.
and on acciden you can be evaporate haha. And when you go to take ice cream on city when is hot you can risk you life for the presure inside. Because all see when the eviroment is hot the presure inside of tank go up and booom. To me sound like bombs in the street. More danger than Natural Gas from today cars.
and it only works in california because there arent many of these
To learn about how safe the hydrogen tank work. Watch from 5:00 to 6:05 kzhead.info/sun/jLmAZ9OeapOqZnA/bejne.html . To me hydrogen car is safer than a battery , gasoline cars. It doesn't engulf the car with fire like the gasoline and battery cars do.
agelo Hahahahaha what💩
there are pro's and con's to all! Give these a chance guys! Where would be if there was this kind of negativity a century ago when the automobile was hitting the dirt road and few areas to get gas this concept has been through a lot of scrutiny the last 20 years , won't happen over night, but in 10 years this technology can have unimaginable benefits ! Go Toyota, Dollar For Dollar Best Product On The Road
I agree, and they're made this new technology safe, accessible and easy to use. You don't have to think about it, it's just a car that happens to run on hydrogen.
how many miles will that get you
It's about 300 miles on a full tank. Very similar range to a similar-sized gasoline car. Thanks for watching.
Where is this at
This is at a Chevron station in Los Angeles. (West LA near the 405 and Santa Monica Blvd.) Thanks for watching and please subscribe to my channel!
The guy explaining the fueling process is hot
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Its the glasses
You have to make special trips to a refueling station. That's way less convenient than a battery electric car you can just charge at home.
Very true, but more and more stations are adding hydrogen. Also they will only sell you one of these if you live within 20 miles of a current hydrogen station.
Even if all petrol stations had hydrogen, you're introducing two problems that EV drivers had already left behind. The inconvenience of having to go somewhere to fill your tank and the cost, which will vary by location but where I live petrol costs around 5 times more than electricity.
Yes, to me a hydrogen car without possibility to plug in and charge (PHFCV) is a quite stupid concept. Since a fuel cell car, like the Mirai, already got an electric drivetrain, why not just increase the size of the buffer battery and add a charging cord to it? The benefits of this oughta be quite obvious. Audi made an attempt with their A7 model to make it a PHFCV. I thought they nailed it there.
Ahldor I think the reason for that is two-fold. First the hydrogen car is already hugely expensive, so the prospect of adding an charger and larger battery is not feasible. The second is about weight. Hydrogen is already less efficient than battery electric cars. Adding the extra weight of a bigger battery will increase that gap while running on hydrogen by creating dead weight.
2LegHumanist I think the _real_ reason why most fuel cell cars aren't plugins is that the proponents behind hydrogen as a fuel (guess who) are afraid that people will charge the car at home instead of refilling at gas stations. The simple reason is control of moneyflow.
What if u drive off while connected to the pump
Same thing that would happen if you drive off with a gasoline pump still in your car, something bad. Seriously, I'm sure there's a safety shut off that immediately stops the flow of gas once there's a problem or it's been disconnected.
the beginning of my lunar trip
Welcome to the future!
Imagine a world where every home has its own renewable energy from the such: advanced solar panel and Windows producing power thus connected to a fire proof power wall built through out the entire house that also stores and provides enough electricity for the electrolysis process required for Turning distilled water into pure hydrogen which can then be used for other purposes such as this car and also a self renewing super filtration sewer system that collects the waste and turns it into burnable coal. Then you will also have air filtration machine that creates water out of thin air. Yes this machine you can actually buy for drinking water look it up very expensive. The coal can be sold off or burned to generate more electricity. The coal idea is already possible. It's a recent invention in Africa. Now, every home can be connected to a power grid similar to current power lines but underground instead and will be well insulated to avoid constant damage or maintenance to ugly power lines or from natural disasters. This will also create a electric stock trade system where people can just be making money haha. Remember, the entire gigafactory from tesla in Nevada runs completely off solar. It's all a Step in the right direction. No utility bills in the future. Each home will be self sustaining. Just have to make sure we create a well insulated material to protect against emp or solar flares. Always have a back up system such as fossil fuels gas and oil just in case. Combined this with 3d printers in each home and you literally have a factory in your home that generates money. Haha idk.
Sounds like some great ideas!
Good lord this sounds awful. Getting water from the air is so terribly inefficient that its more efficient to get water imported by diesel dump truck. Having at home hydrogen distilation means needing this hydrogen stored, compressed, serviced, and out of the way.
やつぱり “みらい” ですね..... たのしそだ な！！
Sorry, I can't read Japanese!
Luxury Fred, Translation: “The “future” indeed....Looks fun!!” “MIRAI” is Japanese for “Future” Word play. Nothing else. 👍
@@Aditya-ul9kr Arigato. I have learned something new today.
A fuel cell car has no harmful emissions (just plain water), very clean for the environment, easily renewable, and changes our voice after inhalation. So I guess it's a win-win scenario for our countrymen.
it all depends on how h2 is produced. it may be dirtier than gas overall.
it is a win win... and there is many clean ways to produce h2 and you can even get a solar panel that produces the hydrogen (its more efficient than a normal solar panel producing electricity)...
No stations in IL
I think it's a government thing. California and a few other states have embraced the technology and are making a push to get stations everywhere. Maybe IL isn't pushing for it. The Mirai website has info on which states are setting up a station network.
There will be when they can make hydrogen from corn. 😂
Is there any hydrogen fuel “station” in Washington state ? :S
no not yet
I am not sure but I would think you could find that out online. Thank you very much for watching the video.
I don't like the fill up pricing, what's the purpose, electric vehicle seems to be the future, not this.
But you don't have to pay, Toyota gives you a gas card and all the hydrogen is free as part of their lease or purchase deal. Free fuel. You have to pay to charge an electric car, whether you pay at home or pay for a public charging station. Thank you very much for watching the video.
cool car and all but to truly go green you have to get one of those Fred Flintstone cars...JS
That would hurt my feet.
hmmm... I think you need to push down the pump nozzle handle down, so it will be off for sure. before you disconnect the pump nozzle off the car, so that there is no pressure at the nozzle.
Thank you, I think I followed the procedure, they make it idiot proof.
For the overall cost of the car and the cost of refueling plus the fact that refueling stations are currently only in CA, you're paying a lot of money for a car with expensive fuel and are limited to staying within 300 miles of home. Cannot take a road trip in the car. That car can't compare to a Tesla with Super Charging (30-40 minutes) for 300 miles and at a much cheaper price than gas or hydrogen. Until hydrogen refueling stations become as available as Super Charging EV stations, the car isn't worth it.
Thanks for watching and for your comment. I think they have stations in other states, not just CA, but it's certainly not national. I think it's designed for a different audience, commuters who drive the same distance each day, a distance less than the range of the car. And yes, people who live near a station. It's funny, I wanted to take it on a road trip to San Francisco, and Toyota said no. There are stations between LA and SF, but if one was closed or out of gas, I would be stuck.
@@FreddySherman hopefully in the next 10 years the infrastrucutre will be there
@@dh6320 I think so, it does need government support. Things are moving along well here in California but not so much in other states.
Ooo Tim from Toyota
2:48 what this watch brand and model
Not a watch, it's the monitor for my camera. My camera is a Sony Action Cam, that's called the Live View Remote.
Luxury Fred Thanks fred
So do you have to charge this car?
No, you have to fill it with liquid hydrogen, which is pretty much only available in California. It's a special pump, like a gas pump, like you see in the video. It does have batteries and electric motors, like a Prius, but it uses the hydrogen to generate the electricty to charge the batteries. Thanks for watching the video.
the pump looks like an accident waiting to happen. the car and station need good maintenance work or broken seal or tank will cause someone a bad day.
I agree but it won't work if there isn't a perfect seal. It's designed to be idiot-proof but I''m sure they will keep them maintained. Thanks for watching.
If the refuelling stations were more common and cheaper....
Soon, that part is up to the states (some have big tax breaks and incentives to open them) and the companies that sell / distribute the gas. And thanks for watching!
@nick kerr It seems like the technology isn't going away and more companies are introducing fuel cel cars. I just don't know if they are developing the infrastructure enough, i don't see a lot more stations that sell hydrogen. Thanks again for watching the video.
Can it work at normal engine? It seems like it does, but IDK
Not sure what you mean. The fuel cell generates electricity which is used to power the electric motor. Thank you for watching!
@@FreddySherman like hydrogen AND patrol engine *can it work*
@@lockG1776 Good question. I think it can work in theory, but I don't think they have any cars that use a hybrid system like that. You would need to fill it up with gasoline and with hydrogen so it's not very practical.
@@FreddySherman ok I was just wondering cuz I'd love to be able to buy manual in the future as a brand new car... But anyways Thank you!
@@lockG1776 Thank you!!
What year does the Mirai have to be in order to qualify for that $15,000 hydrogen credit card or 3 comp. years???
I think that offer is based on purchasing (or leasing) a new vehicle, so 2019 or 2020. Check the Toyota website for the current offer. Thank you for watching. You also get to drive in the express lanes.
Cons: This space-age technology is expensive. Acceptable range requires extremely-high-pressure, on-board hydrogen storage. Few places to refuel. Hydrogen is very expensive to transport and there is no infrastructure in place yet. Currently hydrogen fuel is made from nonrenewable natural gas in a process that creates enormous CO2 emissions.
Excellent points. People seem to especially overlook the last one, about how non-environmentally friendly it is to produce the hydrogen. Thank you for watching.
thank you so much forr the info
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If these were affordable and there would be hydrogen pumps in Texas, I am would definitely purchase it. However, at the moment, it I not praticaly to purchase one, at least not in Texas.
Or anywhere
finally the correct idea , once you get the infrastructure in place , fuel cell tech can power homes and business as well
But we need more infrastructure. Even in California there are not enough stations to drive from LA to SF! But it's great if you have a short commute and live near a station.
Definatly looks like a revenue generator. Its a long time since refilling cost me 40+ USD. And what is that "do not refill after 06/2020" sticker inside that filler flap. Looks like this car has a defined end of life not to far into the future. I'll stick to me Battery electric cars, and refilling for free from my rooftop solar cells.
Yup. Something that the hydrogen folks don't like to advertise is that hydrogen storage is still an issue, even after decades of development. Hydrogen is extremely reactive and will destroy it's tank eventually. But don't worry, by the time you need to replace your weakened tank, your fuel cell will also need to be replaced.
since no one else has given you an answer i will. Hydrogen is very "acidic" in that it is a small atom and very "slippery". What this means is that after a certain amount of time the hydrogen cell is going to have issues because of the hydrogen itself. Keep in mind that in the "ad" above the battery is rated for 70 kilopascals which is 10 psi (you always multiply the kilopascals by .450377 to get psi) so it's under pressure while it's eating itself up. That is why they have a "do not fill after" date. Your supposed to replace the cell by that date before it fails. Edit: it seems it's MegaPascals rather than kilopascals (in the vid if you stop it where the flap is open and read it says MPa which is just a 1000 pascals bigger. ;)
wow... just wow. Similar to your bbq bottles, they need to have inspections carried out at specific intervals.
It says 2030 numbnuts.
The Hydrogen fuel vehicles have some huge disadvantages; One, you can't "fill up" at home like you can with a BEV. Two, the ever-growing energy storage capacity and V2G transfer efficiency capabilities of BEVs make them become a money-making asset rather than a liability compared to all other vehicles.
Thanks for watching and for your comment. Is there a circumstance where a hydrogen vehicle would make more sense to own than a BEV?
@@FreddySherman For its charging time maybe?
@@ramontorres563 You mean because a FCV doesn't have a charging time?
@@FreddySherman The H2 FCV has the advantage of "charging up" faster than a BEV.
Still though who cares about that fancy charging at home shit this is way faster I’m kinda late though so if I sound stupid correct me
What if when your 3 years or 15,000$ of Hydrogen are up you only want to a half tank because your broke that day or let's say 20 bucks or 30 bucks worth how would that work if it pumps until the car reads it's full or its reached the desired pressure
Good question. You can put any amount into the tank and you can pump any amount, just like gas. You could put in $5 or $10 worth but the range would be limited. Also you have to use up the hydrogen almost all the way before refueling.
@@FreddySherman O ok I see so would you stop it like a regular pump and just press the release button once you want or would you have to go inside and specifically ask for idk 20 on pump whatever. And do you believe they're gonna offer goverment incentives like they did for hybrid and electric cars
Yes, but there is no going inside, the people there can't help with the hydrogen, it's all automated and self-service. You have to use a credit card and yes, you would just stop it when you want. There is something weird like you won't get the best fuel economy unless you fill it up, but you don't have to. Yes, they have a lot of state and federal incentives. This video is from last year, they did have $7,500 from California and $7,500 from federal government but check Mirai website for current programs.
so u gotta pay for hydrogen ?!?
They really dont want people to leave their payroll.
The car comes with a prepaid credit card to give you two years of free hydrogen.
How many cars allow you to drink straight out of the exhaust? A Mirai!
Funny and true!
1:19 he said mega amperes instead of mega pascals, lulz.
I think he's used to working with Prius'
This guy isn't the sharpest nail in the stack, is he?
You shouldn't talk about the Toyota guy like that, your car will break down. Thanks for watching!
Hyrdo-cell cars still have a li -ion battery in the system between fuel cell and drive motor. wouldn't it be possible to have plug in capability while parked at home to runbthe car totally electric and only have the fuel cell run when the car needs power off grid?
You can, but the fuel cel will not power the car very far or for very long. That's why you need the batteries as a backup.
2016 Mirai ONLY worth 15k, that's a good price BUT the owners have to pay the expensive fuel by themselves
But the fill-up is still close to the price of gasoline, right? About $40 to fill it up?
Why are they so cheap in the US ? In France it is costing used around 60-70k euros.
@@raidenb4512 Europe sucks
@@raidenb4512 taxes and obviously send them there is money as weln
what if I'm on the road and I'm low on hydrogen where do I go
You need to plan your travels so you're always in range of a hydrogen station. That's why Toyota will only sell it to people who live within a certain distance of a station. It has a lot of warnings to let you know the hydrogen level is getting low and then the battery level so it wouldn't be a surprise.
Luxury Fred I'll stick to gas
It's for people who commute a short distance, the same route each day. And they live and work near hydrogen stations. Then it's more economical than gas or electric.
Luxury Fred I commute to work on Metrolink so it won't make a difference
See, you are smarter than most Mirai buyers.
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Thanks for watching!
Why in the page where you can see the pictures of these videos and the titles, in the picture of this particular video there is a completely different guy than the one, who is talking in this video?? 😄
That's me in the thumbnail pic, I'm Luxury Fred and I did the interview and this is my channel. The guy in the video is the Toyota rep who gave me the tech info about fueling up. Thanks for watching the video and please subscribe to my channel. I will be reviewing the 2021 Mirai next month.
It seems silly to use electricity to make hydrogen which in turn then is used to make electricity in the car. Also hydrogen cars have batteries too. It just seems to make more sense to go straight from the grid or solar to a battery. The only advantage I can see is currently it is quicker to fill the hydrogen tank than to charge the car battery. I do believe that will be solved in the next couple of years, removing the only advantage of fuel cell cars.
You are correct, but I am not sure what the specific benefits are by using the hydrogen fuel cell to generate the electricity (but I think there are some).
There is also public acceptance. Most of the population is familiar with batteries and electric motors. Very few understand fuel cells. There is already resistance to switching to simple battery electric cars. The idea of switching away from the familiar ICE to a fuel cell is going to be an even bigger barrier, even ignoring the required build out of hydrogen refueling stations. Another factor is (like our house) roof solar can charge batteries. Even when hydrogen generation is available for homes it is a single duty source whereas solar can power the home and the car. I started out being pro fuel cell. I've switched because I just think battery-electric is going to win big. There may end up being a mix of both on the road 20 years from now. For those who are old enough to remember VHS won out over BETA even though BEAT was the better system. VHS simply made it to market first and gained acceptance. I think the same will be true for BEV vs Fuel Cell.
Thanks for your comments. I tend to agree but just don't know enough about the differences between the technologies
Trying using your tesla in winter pal. Get stranded in the snow lol
@@Guoenyi And what about the hydrogen cars in wintere? Hmm? Why nobody talking about it?
Hydrogen cars actually predate the internal combustion gas powered engine....
actually not exactly, in late 90's BMW and Volvo (if I remember correctly) used H2 in combustion engines, so we'll can use our old-era cars in future. ;-)
Are these fuel station still working...!!😂
Of course, California is supporting the technology. Also there are now a few manufacturers that make hydrogen cars, Hyundai and Honda also have them. Thanks for watching.
*uses it to cool beer
Toyota should use this as a marketing point!
Nothing is clean nothing is green it's just a choice between bad and extremely bad, what price are you willing to pay?
Good point.
That's expensive as heck to fill it up . dang
The price depends on where you are, like gasoline. That was in West LA near Beverly Hills and the gas there is expensive too. Toyota says they want the price about the same as gasoline, so filling it up would cost the same as a Corolla, maybe $25.
Ok. Still prefer the idea of all electric though
lol depends on the wallet I guess.
I do too. but for now, given where battery technology is, it still takes way to long to get a complete charge. even if they advance it to 1 hour with super-duper-chargers, that's still a lot of time compared to 5 minutes to fill the Hydrogen tanks. Unless they start building that battery swapping robot at charging stations.
nice ... it is kg
Kilograms? Thanks for watching and for your comment.
Eco friendly vehicle. .TOYOTA Lead the Way 🍃🌳🚘🔥🔥❤.
It's a very interesting car. Thank you very much for watching the video.
@@FreddySherman I am so pleased to hear your appreciation feedback sir all the way from Durban, South Africa.
@@smithnxumalo7590 Wow, very cool. I have never been to South Africa but it's high up on my bucket list. I even have some friends who live in Capetown and some in Pretoria! Do you have the Mirai there?
@@FreddySherman We do have broe including Toyota Prius infact most of our Toyota Hybrids but they're imported here but us here as TSAM/TOYOTA SOUTH AFRICA MOTORS We gonna commence by next year our First Brand New Toyota HYBRID model broe 🚘.
@@FreddySherman Please prepare yourself to come down here in our Rainbow Nation Country and experience all the beauty of Beach , Hotels, Landscape , Restaurant's and don't forget to come to Durban do that we can meet up broe. ...I will be honoured 😂😂😂....
Hey man thanks for the credit card
Hey man, thanks for watching. Credit card is from two years ago but go for it!
I'll stick to electric or hybrid, or regular car... no thanks. I fill up my corolla with $25, $30 and get 400-450 miles out of it. Car costs less than $19 000. This is a rip off unless prices go down drastically.
THe plan is that the tank of hydrogen will cost the same as gasoline, about $25-$30 like your Corolla, the price also varies by location. The car costs more but it offers a higher level of luxury than a Corolla, more like a Lexus. Thanks for watching.
thank you for your kind response, but the lexus hybrid is around $40 000, still costs substantially less and costs less to fill a tank ($30-$35)
You're exactly on point, but keep in mind that with the Federal and California incentives (currently $20K), this car costs $40K too. Of course there's a premium for having the latest technology so it's always gonna be a bit more expensive.
Yes, i hope that over time these cars will come down to standard ~ $20 000 range one day along with cheaper fuel. So far electric cars seem to not be too different in terms of price with hydrogen, but the cost of "fueling" an electric car is 1/10th of the cost, so they really need to up their game in the fuel cost to be competitive
It's more expensive because it's a new technology, it's always the same...
What price this car ?
Thank you for watching the video. In the US, the Mirai is $60,000. They have rebates from the government, you can get $5000 back if you live in California. Also they give you three years of free fuel.
Yes my dear thanks this car can use in iraq?
@@ideafromkurdistan5257 I don't know the answer to that. Do you have a hydrogen infrastructure there where you could fill it up? Also I don't know if Toyota sells cars there.
Is it eco friendly like Tesla?
Yes, only emission is water vapor.
No, energy efficiency is half of fully battery EVs. Toyota can keep taking advantages by popularizing those coz fuel cell cars are similar to gas vehicles for some aspects.
Energy efficiency in terms of mileage or range per gallon of fuel or liter of hydrogen?
I mean that in terms of electric energy to kinetic energy. Hydrogen can be produced w/o electricity from fossil fuel etc, but that does not make sense to me.
That's the big secret they don't talk about. The process to produce the hydrogen can also be dirty.
I drive a volt now, and it's nice to wake up with a full tank of gas"electricity" every morning from charging from my house, no more trips to the pump and paying whatever they decide they want to charge me that day. I think a Tesla is in my future.
lol good one
The price you pay for that is waiting for a charge which might not affect everyone
Tesla want electric cars to be more disposable than ICE cars are now, in other words very. They currently force you to use the dealership, if the car is in an accident and fixed they've been known to blacklist the car from the supercharger network. Finally, they have plans to make the battery compartment structural. Basically they want to hide the batteries inside the chassis, making it impossible to change them when they are depleted too far. I think all of that on top of the quality control issues, makes them very anti-consumer and not environmentally friendly at all.
@@Tribulation88 yeah they have been shown to be the “apple” of the car industry. They are very anti right to repair.
If you think that power companies aren't going to be making hourly rate changes when more EVs are on the road, you're in for a surprise at 5:00p.m. every day. Oh, and when you go shopping around for cheaper electricity, wait, you can't🤔. But at least you're car is zero emissions, except that only works if you never charge it. There's no free lunch there either!
I thought there's no uglier car than Prius, i was wrong. Actually I find Tesla S design too mediocre, but comparing to this, Tesla is gorgeous. Anyway, it's good that technologies are going forward. Buy or not buy, but it's another step forward.
I agree, from the outside it's ugly, but yes, it's about new technology and being able to buy and use it.
Welcome to India
Thank you doctor
this is almost like a CNG pump, only slower. why not push CNG?
Thanks for watching. If someone gives me a CNG vehicle, I'm happy to check it out. This was Toyota pushing the Mirai and I was impressed with the whole setup.
Damn I can’t just use my hose at home
Nope, you got it backwards. It creates and emits water, but runs on hydrogen. You can hook your hose to the tailpipe and use it to water your flowers.
Luxury Fred you obviously don’t get sarcasm🤦♂️
@@stevenj4023 And you obviously don't get science. I got your joke, it's just funny that the reverse is actually true.
Luxury Fred yo dumbass I was being sarcastic to begin with, it doesn’t justify what I know or don’t know about science. Dumbass
@@stevenj4023 dude calm down don't need to go calling people dumbasses
$40 from 1/4 tank so about $50 for a fill up, yikes quite expensive. With my i3 i get 120km per day on battery. I spend maybe $5 every 6 weeks and that's in Canada where gas is 30% more than US. I have not noticed my electricity bills going up. So depending on life of battery, initial operating cost of battery seems much cheaper. Of course if you need range and be green, hydrogen is good choice.
haha, warranty bro...
What does it cost to replace all those batteries? $10,000? Now what's your cost per km?
Toyota has priced these to lease at about $500 per month in California, and covers your fuel for the first three years. What was the question again? This is an electric with a five-minute recharge and a 300-mile / 500 km range.
they do give you a fuel card
Where does the hydrogen come from? Is it made locally at the pump from water? Can one hydrogen gas station power up 200 cars in a single day, while creating enough hydrogen to do it again, tomorrow?
I believe the hydrogen is generated elsewhere and shipped to the station in a tank truck, in a liquid form, like gasoline.
The guy in this video looks like a new fuel cell.
Not sure what that means, but many here have commented that he is attractive.
Fool Sells. Not "fuel cells".
Old Tech giant waste of research money, Toyota should have just invested into a battery factory like most car manufactures are doing now.
Toyota has Regular gas, diesel, hybrid, ev, and fuel cell.
Well hydrogen solves the primary fuelling up times which is great for taxis and may airplanes..... Let them work on it ... I want this tech to be perfected just as the battery tech is being perfected
lol toyota owned tesla and dumped their stake! and so did mercedes hahaha toyota owns you and you dont even know kid.
seems really similar to CNG refueling
Yes, very similar. The problem is very few stations, there are a lot more CNG stations. I live in Palm Springs, three CNG stations here, no hydrogen stations until LA!! Thanks for watching and please subscribe to my channel.
Whst price one liter of hydrogen?
I'm not sure how that works. It cost about $35 to fill it up.
@@FreddySherman yes thanks for u but if price hydrogen hight people not buy people want cars economy not have more cost
@@ideafromkurdistan5257 I understand. THe government is trying to help keep the price low, the auto makers want the price of a fill-up to be about the same as filling up with gasoline, in the US it's about $40.
@@FreddySherman my dear aha ok thanks for u so much so im have one question again why mirai can not use direct hydrogen as petrol not convert for electric?
@@ideafromkurdistan5257 I don't know the answer, but they just don't have cars that actually run on hydrogen. Maybe a chemist can answer that. They do have cars that run on LPG, liquified petroleum gas, but not hydrogen.
not even free
Toyota gives Mirai owners a special Visa card to use for filling up, so it's free if you own a Mirai and have the fuel card.
Magic Illusionist electricity is not free either
its pronounce mee-ra-eee...
Is this car safe.
Yes, as safe as a gasoline car. Hydrogen fuel cel cars have been around for ten years and if they were unsafe, you would have heard about it. They have incredible protection for the hydrogen tank, it's made of kevlar, the same thing they use to make buleetproof vests. Also it's a Toyota, which has a very good reputation for making safe cars. Thanks for watching and please subscribe to my channel!
So what happens after the "DO NOT REFUEL AFTER 2030/08 date printed on the fuel door @ 1:40?
Good eye, I never noticed that. I would assume some major maintenance or check needs to be done. This was filmed in 2016, so that would be 14 years after the car went into service. I will check online about it. Thanks for watching the video!
So it looks like the fuel tank has a lifespan of 15 years. Here is an article I found: insideevs.com/news/326312/2016-toyota-mirai-do-not-refuel-after-2029/ It's similar to EVs, a Prius battery is only guaranteed for 10 years.
@@FreddySherman I question the similar part. Since one is a warranty and the other is a DO NOT USE, but only time will tell anyway how long modern EV batteries will last from a time perspective (hard to simulate) vs a charge cycle perspective (easy).
@@scottkolaya2110 This was a pre-production vehicle, the ones sold (then and now) in the US did not have this sticker. Batteries are not dangerous when old, they just lose their ability to hold a charge. I think the idea here is that the hydrogen fuel tank must be replaced after 15 years without exception.
@@FreddySherman You say: "the ones sold (then and now) in the US did not have this sticker." I'm not sure you verified that because, --- I just checked with a group of current Mirai owners and they all have the same sticker in the US. It's a different sticker in the UK, but still an expiration date nonetheless. Yes, the tanks need replacing after 15 years which requires removing the body off of the chassis. Not something anyone would spend the money on a 15-year-old car, they would most likely all get crushed and recycled. You also probably would not be able to re-register it until it was replaced and recertified.
Hydrogen is way better batteries go flat if you charge the way you are supposed to before 50% it will only last 8 years max and then you would have to pay 7-15 grand for a new battery pack
Dmitriy Sizonenko because 7 to 15 years battery tech and cost will stay tbe same.....
After 8 years, you'll need to change your hydrogen's tanks and fuel cell too... And maybe sooner if we used the 07/2020 "don't refill" date in this video.
@@arvedludwig3584, right, you just got a 60k$ hydrogen car converted to combustion engine for how much ? Better get a gas car at first !
Anyone else see the positive impact this car will have to the Environment? seems to me everyone's only concern is $$$$. Sure electric cars like Teslas has no emmisions, but recycling their batteries could mean an environmental disaster in the future. Today Tesla's marketing scheme consists of Lamborghini beating performance from their Model S sedans. Where is the focus on saving the environment? Batteries still rely on electricity to charge, the electricity in our homes used to charge battery powered cars still comes from fossil fuel. Come to think of it, if anyone really wants to make a difference in the world they'd drive the Mirai. Zero emmissions, zero fossil fuel involved.
Even though the Tesla relies on fossil fuel electricity, in the long run, it still has a smaller carbon footprint than a regular gasoline car.
studies have shown the Carbon footprint left by Teslas is bigger than a diesel pick up truck in the long term... the future is hydrogen because a lithium battery semi truck just will not work and to quote Elon Musk that is a "silly idea"
Nonsense. "Higher than a Diesel pick up" isn't even remotely true.
Tim Austin what is nonsense is the amount of damage that lithium mining and production does to our environment.. sure an EV is zero emissions BUT there is a huge impact in our environment our environment in the production and disposal or even worst the recycling of the lithium... but don't take my word for it please google it...
I hear you....and I agree!
$40 to basically fill up u might as well have gas and pay the same price! Lol
They want it to be about the same price as a tank of gas. Same range but no environmental impact. Thanks for watching and please subscribe to my channel, I should be reviewing the 2022 Mirai in the next month.
Are hydrogen vehicles as fast as an all electric vehicle?
Yes, they're the same because they really are electric vehicles. They just use the hydrogen to charge their batteries. The drive train is the same as a plug-in Prius, an electric motor drives the wheels.
@@FreddySherman, So, hydrogen vehicles can go from 0 to 60 in 3 seconds and 0 to 100 in 7 seconds? The performance aspect is equal for both the aforementioned entities?
@@youarerightboss I don't know if I would say that, since it's limited by the size of the motor and how it's programmed. So it's not as fast as a Tesla, but like I said above, it's basically the same as a Toyota Prius plug-in, in terms of performance since it has a virtually identical drive train.
@@FreddySherman, Thank You.