Black Conservatives Debate Black Liberals on American Politics (Extended Version)
By popular demand, this is an extended cut of the original version of this debate we published here on KZhead (watch the original debate here: • Black Conservatives De... )
Who voted for Donald Trump? Who voted for Barack Obama? What’s it like seeing a black person wearing a MAGA hat? Has the black vote been taken for granted?
Black conservatives and liberals hash it out in the VICE Office.
Watch the full-length documentary: The Young Black Conservatives of Trump's America -- • The Young Black Conser...
TIMECODES OF WHAT WAS DISCUSSED:
0:57 - What first comes to mind when you think of Donald Trump?
1:59 - "Drain the swap" and capitalism
3:28 - Who here voted for Donald Trump?
4:54 - What is your impression when you see a black person wearing a MAGA hat?
5:51 - Black conservatives talk about how they're treated in the black community
9:17 - Who here voted for Obama?
11:06 - Who was disappointed by Obama's presidency?
15:34 - Issues with the Trump presidency
16:28 - Why vote for Donald Trump?
19:55 - Disagreements on systems of oppression - welfare, taxes, etc
23:29 - Policies that Republicans and Democrats disagree on that help and hinder the black community
26:09 - Black wealth and reparations
29:24 - Black voters being synonymous with the Democratic party
32:26 - Student loans and college
35:22 - Should the black vote be courted?
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By popular demand, here's an extended version of the roundtable discussion we hosted between black conservatives and liberals. Check out some handy time codes of what was discussed below: 0:57 - What first comes to mind when you think of Donald Trump? 1:59 - "Drain the swap" and capitalism 3:28 - Who here voted for Donald Trump? 4:54 - What is your impression when you see a black person wearing a MAGA hat? 5:51 - Black conservatives talk about how they're treated in the black community 9:17 - Who here voted for Obama? 11:06 - Who was disappointed by Obama's presidency? 15:34 - Issues with the Trump presidency 16:28 - Why vote for Donald Trump? 19:55 - Disagreements on systems of oppression - welfare, taxes, etc 23:29 - Policies that Republicans and Democrats disagree on that help and hinder the black community 26:09 - Black wealth and reparations 29:24 - Black voters being synonymous with the Democratic party 32:26 - Student loans and college 35:22 - Should the black vote be courted? Watch the full-length documentary about The Young Black Conservatives of Trump's America -- kzhead.info/sun/d7uanZ1-ioSseoE/bejne.html
VICE cmon. If you were serious about black politics youd come talk to #ADOS. These ppl here are just chatting and venting and this format leaves much to be desired.
Bring back frankie luntz
@@gcornelius308 Please explain how you want VICE to talk to you and ADOS, but not black conservatives and liberals? Those people that you say are just chatting are everyday people who have to live in the real world of being attacked and mistreated just for being black, so their opinions and commentary matter too.
It wasn't at all by popular demand it's a false narrative; these are not fucking conservatives..these are rich kids who have been indoctrinated by mommy and daddy..seriously if you want a real liberal vs conservative debate you can create one, not hard to filter out the rich folk who aren't really conservative simply greedy. Conservatives want to conserve the constitution and the values of the country; not simply just hold onto their money and be rich.
@Shaft Canyoudigit That's an awfully broad brush you're painting with.
Would love to see black conservatives vs. white liberals
💯 white liberals might get exposed for being racist tho
That would be hilarious
I would love to see people in sound proof phone booths so they cant talk over one another
I wish VICE would do that but they'd exposed themselves even more!
White liberal: you guys are so oppressed Black conservatives: no were not White liberals: Yes you are! Black people are oppressed. Black conservatives: you think were oppressed just cause were black🤔 seems kinda racist😂
Black conservatives vs white liberals Let's see it Vice
Now that would be interesting conversation 🤔
Majority of blacks are liberal, I would say half half
KZhead would remove it lmao
God I can only imagine 😂😂😂
OMG PLEASE
Would love to see this group come back together 4 years later
Yes definitely
Well liberals pea brains once brainwashed is very very hard to change, I was a leftist years ago and found out the truth of how much the left lies and brainwashed me to be a victim of something I never experienced and never was
yes the one in all black, front row
After the banning of black history from schools 😭😭
@@kennethlewis3881I’m sorry what when did this happen I’m still in school and all we learn about is black history especially during black history month.
These are some of the most important videos available online in our time. To be able to see REAL people with varying perspectives, diverse backgrounds come together and be able to peacefully talk things out and find common ground is so refreshing compared to the bullshit mainstream media pushes out everyday. That millions of people around the world can view these discussions and see that YES it is OK to have different views and we can still treat each other respectfully has such a big impact it can't be understated.
There was maddd passive aggression in this lol
Great debate, but they were far from respectful towards one another. The shouting and over speaking one another will make it difficult for our youth to take seriously or learn from. Not a great example on how to conduct a debate that will have results or open minds but it’s definitely been entertaining. And one thing you can say is that they were all very passionate.
Yea until vice edits the video to support their narrative, I do admit they did a good job on this video but the Blair white Trans debate was horrendous and horrific to see the amount of edits and cuts to support the leftist Trans instead of it all being equal, tried to make Blair look so bad.
@@antoniohines6960 100%. If you notice, most of these comments that are praising this 'discussion' are also on other Vice videos complaining about the same thing conseratives are doing on this panel (interrupting, laughing, yelling, etc) but because the liberals are doing it on the other video they have a problem with it. They are genuienly pathetic.
@@trxpiin4727 ... how did they do a good job on this video lmao you are just saying that because it was the conservatives yelling this time and not the liberals. Literally nothing was said of value and no middle ground or any thoughtful conclusion came out of this discussion, but sure.
Lady in overalls: “We’re not going there. We’re not going there.” The whole point of this video is to go there what the heck
Izzy C Democrats are always allowed to make ridiculous remarks and not defend their own views, Republicans are always forced to defend their views. This is especially true throughout the educational system which breeds that type of “we’re not going there” and “we’re not even going to have that discussion” shutdown on free speech that Democrats employ
Leftist always say that when they don't have an argument to defend their point
She’s a professional at getting triggered, just look at her facial expressions.
Pope Pope She just doesn’t want her feelings hurt. I don’t see how you can have a productive discussion if you take everything to heart. 🤷♂️
Pope Pope You’re just discrediting everything I say bc you think I’m trying to “dunk on liberals”. You can use your own comments as an example of what I mean. I hope you have a great day. :)
The girl with the overalls and blonde hair ain’t doing nothing but making faces
💯🤣
So true. She kinda seem dumb tbh. 😂
She represents most ignorant young leftists, Makes faces and has nothing to retort with when she is presented with a valid argument.
she trash, brought no substance
Bambo Sunny you’re generalizing like shit boiiii
Despite the more passionate parts of the debate, I found the entire video as wholesome and enlightening. Thank you. This is the best kind of videos I get from you guys.
That was a perfect example of why we need more of these debates.
“Stop playing victim and play victor” agreed
Amen!!!
Best line of the whole conversation
Child talk.
@@Poetic_Justice1962 how
Try the Yang Playlist Challenge. Watch my playlists without joining Yang Gang. Most of you won't even try, and those of you who do, will fail.
Liberals and conservatives coming together to agree the woman in overalls had nothing of substance to contibute
Yessss XD
lmao right 😂😂😂
@lol lol I loved when the one dude called them "wokies" I'm gonna use that from now on lmao.
@lol lol their*
@lol lol the only response to the contents of your comment are that I completely agree, but I wanted to help your grammar out a bit there, hopefully you never make the mistake of using the wrong “their” again, grammar is important for credibility mate.
This conversation needed to be like another hour longer at least, they were just getting started!
Right? This is supposed to be the extended version but it's only 40 minutes. They usually sit here debating for hours.
The two people are so aggressively condescending that everyone else's voices get small or non existent. The moderator should've enforced the rule of respectfully letting each person speak without dominating. Those two gave me so much anxiety, I wouldn't have been able to speak if I was on the panel. I can feel all the lost potential every time they get rude like that. This is otherwise an incredible debate. 💙 *That being said, having that kind of dominate personality is why they succeeded, those who don't have that can't override the same system.
I agree 👏🏽
which two?
If you’re only tolerant when ppl agree with you, then you aren’t really tolerant at all.
If you bash anyone of any Race because they aren't for your specific Party and independently think for themselves you are literally *The Oppressor, The Racist, and The Supremacist* no better than the KKK Had to extend it to be completely honest about the truth
Factual
Lets be honest this video the conservatives won but last video the liberals won so I guess it’s a tied series now😂
But I like how at the end they all agreed on something.... something people in politics need to do more often.
💯
Whatever your side, you've gotta give credit to Vice for airing both sides. I'm tired of echo chambers in most news/ social sites.
hitwill this!!
Tbh the conservatives seemed like they had more time to talk and always talked over the others
@@PixelDoodles Because most of the liberals (besides the gay dude top right) just said a few words and couldn't conclude and point or say anything worth while.
true
Just had mass killings in Texas and Ohio so some here still are delusional enough to think this president is good for this country he is a racist and used these types of comments to view his base and some of you can sit in a youtube forum and argue the greatness of DONALD TRUMP THIS IS CRAZY 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯😩😩😫😩😩😩😩😡😡😡👮🏾♂️
Refreshing. At so may levels. I usually have some ... "Issues" with you Vice discussions. But that one was great.
Loved this!! Such an amazing group of people! Would love for you to bring them back now and see if they’ve changed any views.
Dude, props to the host. He was super unbiased throughout and the questions were great. I wish the presidential debates were like that.
True. Refreshing from Vice.
True.
True
You aint never lied
Yeah not like the Latino one the host was biased af
"Stop being a victim and be a victor" I love that line
It is a good line. Even as a democrat, I can appreciate it.
The victim is the one who looks outside himself for a solution instead of looking within.
Ben Shapiro once sed "its noting to do whit race and everything to do whit culture "
Mann i know that quote was strong
of course u do.
The woman in the middle had the most amazing views. She came from nothing and not only made something for herself, but also made everyone around her successful. She’s amazing ❤ I wish I could meet her and just listen to everything she has to say about everything she mentioned and more. She’s probably the coolest person I have seen online in a long time!
Yaaah that's the only women i see as a real black queen lol
I wonder if she had to battle against some of the invisible wall the others were speaking about
@Elzarfi 1 For real. People always overuse the term "black queen" until it's someone who ACTUALLY put the work in to build themselves to a position of power before redistributing their power to benefit their people. She, is a queen. The only black queen I've ever seen properly represented.
Okay Audrie 🙄
Bunch of white people talking about “black queens”. Okay mark lmfao.
I didn’t think I would say this at the beginning of the video, but the conservatives made some good points. I’m a bit embarrassed for how unprepared the liberals were. They couldn’t even answer the first question the right way.
I don’t think most of the “liberals” they culled for this interview were really prepared to take part in the conversation, probably because the ones who are, were busy doing more important things and have better things to do than to waste their energy on these interviews… interviews that, while well meaning, ultimately evolve into sensationalism
Because the facts are much less important than how they emotionally feel at any given moment.
Conservatives often make good points, they are just smeared by leftist news channels or people. Hear it directly from the source, and it starts to make a lot more sense.
liberals are NEVER prepared
THEY GAVE US WHAT WE ASKED FOR. KUDOS
monique bedford lol I wanted to use the claps but I was on my laptop
In fairness, we shouldn't have had to ask. It's very suspect when a big media company edits a debate. Each sentence is important.
stfu
a lot of people wanted the whole conversation unedited. is that what this is?
No they didn't. We asked for the raw video, unedited. They gave us 20 more highly edited minutes of what was probably a two hour conversation.
This is what internet journalism is supposed to produce.
"White" owned corporations speaking for so-called "African Americans". You would.
@@negloblaxon7616 what
@@negloblaxon7616 "so-called African Americans?"
Bunch of gay people talking about gays issue...whats new...NEXT
Hi Negli Blaxon, are a rich white liberal?
This conversation needs to be revisited.
It's just funny how some people think "I don't feel the disadvantages anymore, so they don't exist" and they're so selfish criticizing people who are fighting against unfairness, even being and obstacle in that fight. If you are enjoying something that you consider your right, but others don't have, it's not a right, it's a privilege.
Cornell West, an African American intellectual did a good piece on African American conservatives like Thomas Sowell a while back. Many of the black intellectuals that began to emerge in the 1980s including Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas had directly benefited from Affirmative action and then they spend their careers trashing it, and the racial gaps between blacks and whites. White Conservatives love having a few sucessful black conservatives in their corner to try to use as proof that there isn't a racial gap, despite there still being very much one.
I believe the point is, if you believe yourself to be disadvantaged, you WILL be. Kevin Samuels once said early on, that when he entered spaces with wealthy ppl he never allowed himself to feel like he didn't belong -- sort of fake it till you make it.
@@angelacox8322 That's good advice for individuals, but society should still look at any potential racial disparities, and there has still been some clear ones between blacks and whites. Until people accept this, then we can't work to address them, and so they won't go away. The report of the Kerner Commission looking into the 1960s race riots is still just as relevant today as those recommendations weren't followed.
@@Mzee1084oh I’ll into Cornell West thanks
Veteran dude has the clearest skin I've ever seen in my life
jacob pipkin why because hes actually right??
Ikr
True.
Right smooth asf
@@oobydoobytooby4430 i uh.... wtf you're obsessed with that shit dude.
The host of this was just absolutely ridiculously good at being a host of this.
right!!! I love how he didn’t take sides and didn’t get so emotionally involved
Melissa Marcoe Proper Debate program’s in schools would fix this.
Yeah the video wasn't bias at all
Seriously. The latinx one...not so much
Joey Glover that one was horrible
The woman in the front was OBNOXIOUS. Screaming and clapping and cackling over people when they were trying to speak.
I always like going back to watch these older panels.
"Why do we always assuming black people are broke" BOOM! Mic drop!
That was one of.my.favorite quotes
Because most are lazy
Due to the high rates of poverty in the communities that is why now i'm not saying that there always broke im just stating facts that they are high in poverty
Chris Dishneau excuse me thats far from true your ignorance shows
CT Action live nah we are
I like the host he kept a really unbiased attitude all throughout the interview. Props to him. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
I agree. Viceland is very left leaning
Agreed! I'm glad Vice didnt censor this and make sure this didnt reach the public
Agreed. Under appreciated part of this vid
Rumor says he was tortured in the vice dungeons for not being biased towards the democrats.
Agreed. I'm sure he has his own opinions, but they were never obvious and he never let them determine the course of the conversation. Solid job!
Great chat everyone 👏👏👏 good to see a healthy debate!
Yelling all at the same time, not a good chat IMO
The conservative in the blue blazer and the conservative with the gold in her hair talking to each other whilst others were talking, talking over others, not letting them expand on their points after a few words and trying to steer the whole conversation were rage worthy. I wanted to hear more from the older female liberal and the male conservative beside her.
I agree
I am genuinely surprised to see something like this come from Vice. Edit: I guess everyone else is too
Seriously!
Because they are finally noticing that conservatives can be entertaining and educational when proving liberals wrong. And we become the rising minority
@RCP Pilot what do u mean they can't 😂😂 they just proved them wrong the whole time in every conversation. U need to rewatch that and we obviously are the minority. When u go outside how many trump supporters to u see in ur neighborhood. Not that many and nobody cares about what's really going on. They only care about their feelings and what they hear from friends or social media. So that's the majority for you their. Ignorant anti trump supporters who judge based by false provado. So yah were obviously the minority
@RCP Pilot ' ' . Sorry I just noticed all that punctuation you forgot back at the house and wanted to bring it to you before it got lost.
UnclePhilLawl keep up the good work vice !
I'll say this, the interviewer did a great job.
He did for sure
He really did. I always love to see discussions where the interviewer only intervenes when the discussion dies down or goes to far off topic.
Yes he did. He seems like a mature guy.
I don't know most of the video was two or three people shouting at each other.
Indeed. I would not be able to do that. He is so unbiased its insane.
This popped up on my feed today... I'd love to see this conversation with the same people today.
Being black (and right leaning although I'm more a libertarian), the military (US Air Force) was the hands down GREATEST experience IN MY LIFE. I constantly try and get young men from my "hood" to just think about it. I don't push it, and I don't beat them over the head with it; I tell them, finish high school, and check a recruiter out, give it a shot maybe, it changed my life ten thousand times over, and if you're a young man and struggling, just walk down to a local recruiter. If you are rather intelligent, check out the Air Force. If you don't do well in tests or just feel like "yiu are smart enough" check out the army. Personally I will always say go Air Force, because unless you want to go to the desert, the AF will send you all over the world to amazing places, like German, Italy, and where I was for 5 years, Japan.
Absolutely
You won’t get us now mr recruiter
Are you trying to recruit us!?
Why are you right leaning? Why do you think younger black men need an escape like the military. Dig deeper.
also no to mention the amount of veterans who are on the streets and majority people of color.
This guy needed to moderate the joe vs trump debate. He did amazing
Truuu he really did
Yup. He was calm, he NEVER took a side nor did he come anywhere close to it. My only critique Is he could have been a bit more agressive with keeping the talking over to a minimum, but as someone who doesn’t know anything about that, that was beautiful
Really TRUE
100% agree. He treaded the dangerous political and social waters extremely well.
FACTS!!!
Ok but can we give props to the moderator in this debate? He did an excellent job staying neutral in this video, I’m much more satisfied with his behavior with BOTH sides than the moderator in the Latino/Latina video!
Erald Murati exactly! The Latina was so biased to the libs and let the conservatives get cut off by them too
NO TRUMP NO KKK NO FASCIST USA!!!!!
Erald Murati I’m totally with you good observation!
I completely agree, the prior hosts bias was overwhelmingly apparent
True I hate vice, but this was a good moderator.
Gentleman on the top right with glasses, came with facts, life experience and common sense. “I don’t tell people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps I go out and buy them the damn boots”, love it
Except we see in Africa where the aid is actually undermining the ability for local businesses to thrive. Their perspective is not only myopic, but I would bet money he won't be putting his money for the boots, but calling for other people to pay for them.
Dude seemed pretty hopeless and had little to no ideas on how to make things better.. He has no expectations of the government making anything better.
It’s a nice sentiment, but I prefer the party that doesn’t treat us like victims who need boots. We are all Americans born in one of the most privileged positions on Earth. Travel out of the US a bit, see what real oppression is like, ya’ll. Take responsibility for yourself. I was born into a poor single-parent household. We were homeless at times, we lived in apartments and trailers with no running water, and my mother did drugs. I had leukemia when I was a teen. Despite all that, I am more educated and make more money than my graphic designer husband who came from a middle class family in Mexico. No one wants to hear it’s a mindset because if you can’t blame other folks for your struggles then you have to face the fact that it really is up to you. That’s scary af if you’re weak, but it can also be empowering if you’re willing to work hard and never let yourself believe the system is against you. We’re Americans, the world is our oyster 🇺🇸🎉
What are you talking about. He was just whining the entire time. Everybody is oppressing him.
All he brought to the conversation was a victimhood mentatlity with no point on how to move forward or progress for change. We all have to choose the lesser of 2 evils.
Wow very very impressed with these fine people having a healthy debate w/ strong opinions but at the end all smiled, laughed, took a pic together… some were open minded & not so stuff on one side, everyone respectful. Great jobs guys 👏👏👏
When you look at yourself as a victim, you are already holding yourself back.
Real talk
Completely true
They don’t believe in themselves
Yas!!
Chad A lad that and it's an excuse not to push yourself to obtain what you want.
The dude is a better moderator than chris wallace
and there are 9 of them
Real fucking original comment...
@j.network323 446?
I think most people are. Wallace is bias as phuck.
Yes you are correct
Very good video. This needs to get around more.
Have you ever lied, lusted sexually at the opposite sex, disrespected parents, stolen, thought bad thoughts, hated someone, sinned sexually (fornication, Adultery …) etc All humans have sinned in thought, word or deed. Therefore, none of us are good and able to get into Heaven and will be justly judged and sent to eternity in Hell! But God out of His love sent his son Jesus (also God in Human flesh) to die on the cross for our sins and rise again from the dead (nobody can do that only God). Jesus said if you Repent of your sins and put your complete trust in Him for your salvation, you’ll have eternal life, given to you as a gift (this message is not to be ignored; seek God today). Your thoughts? John 14: 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Guys, this is a super important video. Social media is anonymous people screaming at each other and not a debate. Its fantastic to get folks into a room and RESPECTFULLY listen to opposing viewpoints and atleast hear their opinions, even if you dont agree with the opinion. This is what will bring the country together. Social media is tearing the country apart.
Everyone shuts up when the dude on the top left in the suit talks 😂
he's smart af. cool dude, even though i'm not gay. i would bring him around to pick up chicks.
Well lowkey also because whenever George or the female on the very right spoke, the conservative in the middle in black and the guy in the suit would always interrupt. If you noticed, when the girl in the middle in black was speaking about her past/relations with felony and drug selling, no one interrupted her... for like 3 minutes. Same with the suit individual.
the reason for that was because he was composed and presented himself well. literally everything he spoke about could be debunked. a lot of people can feign intelligence and knowledge
What is the name of the ignorant dumb ass in the top left corner?
@@aarontheruler okay so debunk it😐 I’m pretty sure you’re completely wrong but go ahead and debunk it since you’re so sure.
I could leave a political comment but I’d rather point out that everyone is wearing black boots
Are you sure? I couldn't see the footwear of the four in the back.
planetvance of those seen, bro
Lol I noticed that also. Weird coincidence.
And they finished the thing by agreeing that they all want the same thing, they all want boots.
Boots are the best
I'm four ears late but that was beautiful thank you for this video, I vibed with a lot of the different perspectives, and that was amazing thank you thank you thank you
This is seriously one of the most informative and educational videos on youtube. I've said forever that cultures are not a monolith and this debate NAILS IT.
I like the moderator. Hes was truly neutral.
Definitely. Unlike the Hispanic / Latino debate. Ugh, so FRUSTRATING watching the narrator NOT be neutral. I hated that video
thats good he let people talk
It’s rare to see such neutrality in debates like this nowadays. Props to the moderator
Oh I dunno. He let the conservatives speak. And those views might hurt some peoples feelings. Feelings are real. So those words must be violence. Therefore, the moderator just allowed violence by letting the conservatives speak.
@@MiroslawHorbal he let both sides speak. That's the point.
“Need to stop playing victim and play vicTOR” love that line
can someone please tell me what time thats at
/thread
You call me a victim... maybe I am. I DO know if I don’t rise from my own merits, I’ll never be a victor in life.
Kirsten Overgaard some time after 25:30
BUT it's okay when Whites play victim all day on FOX right?
Very great debate!!
Great discussion
To be fair, the guy on the top left corner is a GREAT representative for the conservative side, and the guy on the top right corner is a GREAT representative for the liberal side. They are both intelligent and well aware of what they're speaking of, there has to be a video of just them two.
Agreed!
LGBT>"Black"
Pretty much agreed. The right guy had a bit more of a socialist leaning.
It would be the two gays showing up with the best debate skills
Abigail S413 yea but the right conservative gay guy was better
I’d like to see this group brought back every 5-10 years and see how their political beliefs grow and change throughout the years.
That would be interesting
That’s very logical.
💯🎯👏🏽👏🏽
There is always a rule, constantly being confirmed… until 18, if you are not a leftist, you don’t have a heart. After 18… you don’t have a brain…
That would be great!
This was so awesome to be able to just watch and listen. Smart people talking is always a positive experience.
Thus was great. I wish more people could communicatelike this.
"I see 4 people here who aren't really black" - Joe Biden
Lol!!
Underrated comment
😂😂🤣
OMFG...best comment I've seen on anything in a long time! Laughed my @$$ off!
Underatted
This. This right here. They may not agree, but they are engaged and actually talking to each other. If this country has any hope at all, we must have more of this. A lot more.
If more people would just sit down and talk instead of playing trench warfare, we could get somewhere. We need more of this.
I agree completely! It makes me so happy that there are so many comments from the last week or so, because it means other people are finding this at a time when it's so, so necessary.
A LOT MORE
I feel like the liberal blacks would‘ve snapped if the black conservative would‘ve been white.
Agreed!
You should get all of these people together again. See if their choices held up to their standards
These videos will provide great insight for our future! :)
The reporter here did an extremely good job being an unbiased moderator.
To be fair, the video functioned better if he let the black voters bicker amongst themselves.
It was surprising considering the video was put out by Vice.
Best moderator ever he should be the debate moderator in 2024.
FOR WHITE EUROPEANS ONLY: Watch Europa: The Last Battle and test your cognitive dissonance.
@@robertmagill6005 oh yea same here
This needs to be redone immediately with the same people. I wonder how their opinions have changed since then. Vice if you read this redo this right now.
Agreed
Yes please
Very much so!
I think they'd probably all think the same way.
@@FrenchysPlaysTV fundamentally sure but I'd like to see their discourse now that we're post-election. I think it would be interesting to hear their answers to questions pertaining to election results, if voter/election fraud was effecting black areas, what a Biden presidency might look like for black communities, etc.
What an Awesome Group. So much interrupting, but it worked for this group. Yes, the conservative side had some louder people, and I'm glad the guy leading it did pause convo mostly enough to get good responses. Definitely so far a group though they disagree, do know that moving the needle is best and they are all there for it. Good group that stayed on topic.
Have you ever lied, lusted sexually at the opposite sex, disrespected parents, stolen, thought bad thoughts, hated someone, sinned sexually (fornication, Adultery …) etc All humans have sinned in thought, word or deed. Therefore, none of us are good and able to get into Heaven and will be justly judged and sent to eternity in Hell! But God out of His love sent his son Jesus (also God in Human flesh) to die on the cross for our sins and rise again from the dead (nobody can do that only God). Jesus said if you Repent of your sins and put your complete trust in Him for your salvation, you’ll have eternal life, given to you as a gift (this message is not to be ignored; seek God today). Your thoughts? John 14: 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Would love to see a repeat talk of this group now based on what has happened in the last 4 years
“Stop playing victim and start playing victor” love it 🔥🔥🔥🔥
What a quote
Funny that the big successful black woman trump supporter is for welfare until it was no longer useful to her... Typical selfishness of Trump thumpers
Chuck Norris Jr I don’t think that was the moral of the story bub... she got herself out of poverty... it’s a good thing More people should strive to do it
@Barry Peterson except I never said bettering yourself is not a good thing. The fact remains, she went from social welfare to a contributor because of the welfare system that kept her from going homeless. That's how the system should work, so I don't know why she's trashing the system that helped her get to where she is today. "I got mine so let me shut the door behind me," hypocrisy at it's finest.
@Barry Peterson I'm glad to hear you are pro social safety net, but I don't know who what people you are referring to living on welfare because as far as I know you can't collect welfare forever. Most programs don't work like that. She still shouldn't bash people who need it just because she's "made it," because she is an example of how the social safety net works.
“We need to stop play victim and start being victors.” Preach.
And that includes confronting victimizers and demanding economic balance.
@@bvggamer3707 Spoken like a victim. Breaking free of the hive mind is a victory.
YESSSS
@@bronwenable victims don't demand or confront. Your words are spoken like a true victimizer or token.
@S S you wrote too much dude.
As a white person, I think it’s super important to just listen to both sides without bias (as best as possible). I really enjoyed this video!
what does color have to do with anything
@@wartortle577 Read the first word in the video title. Not that hard to figure out.
@@kcarter142 That makes no sense. Yes this video is about specifically black people talking to each other but no way in shape or form does this have anything to do with white people. Especially factoring that into listenining to both sides.
I listen to all sides, but I looked more into the evolution of the modern conservative movement cause I wanted to understand how their worldview developed as it seemed that so many times I got into political discussions with them they would reject science and what the evidence/data was showing. I find it to be based on a few things like needing to filter everything through their ideological lens of 'rugged individualism'; and lack of trust in government. The modern conservative movement focused a lot on dismantling trust in government so they can dismantle it so capitalists have more freedom to operate their businesses and not have to pay into a larger 'common good' through taxes. Now they don't even trust expertise in general unless it is filtered through the right wing ecosystem. That's what we saw with Covid and so much opposition to Dr. Fauchi. A healthy skepticism is fine, but the right wing ecosystem exploited it to make it go overboard, and then the base will only seem to listen to the right wing fake-experts. The right wing ecosystem also focused heavily on doubling down on divisions and making sure their base really, really hated their pollitical opposition so they wouldn't respect or trust them at all.
@@wartortle577stop being so insensitive
I find the passion and vigor amazingly positive. No filtered media which is now corrupt. Battle on as long as you respect each other. Love it, love it, love it. My only comment at a high level do not let your past define you. Let your next steps shape your journey. In the end that is what defines you. Peace and Love to every person on the panel.
Beautiful
Girl in the overalls gave absolutely nothing to the conversation except being offended. She wasn’t ready for this conversation
Cushla nope. She seemed clueless. So annoying
Cushla typical liberal millennial’s behavior. ‘’Triggered’’ and immature
She and the heavyset woman behind her offered next to nothing to the conversation.
The whole debate was hijacked by the gay conservative and the financial consultant. Everyone at some point was talking over each other but those 2 kept interrupting more so than others.
@@cclasso and the big dumb dude on the front left offered what exactly? I thought the ones you're claiming offered nothing but with the gay conservative and the "financial consultant" hijacking the most of the dialogue, were able to add some insight and actually agreed with some of the points the conservatives made. But that big dude raised his hand to conservative values and said next to nothing the whole time. One of the things I noticed with conservatives is that you guys either tune out things you don't agree with or deflect by changing the subject.
Straight up, this needs to be a Netflix series.
PLEASE
Netflix bias tho
There is a show kind of like this called “dear white people” but it’s mostly liberal
FACTS
@@madelinerincon9628 lmao no and im 2A as fuck
This might be the most important video of our time.
I couldn’t sit on this panel….props to these folks.
Speaking the loudest doesn’t make you right
Facts do.
The loudest always the “wrongest” lol
@@hurdurr7466 by all accounts Winston Churchill and Abraham Lincoln spoke pretty loudly. Guess they were wrong.
Making great points make you right
@BEAST MODE she had some good points though
The interviewer was great. He wasn’t biased and he let everyone speak and give their thoughts, we need more like him
good luck lol, id find more diamonds than you people like him lol
You say that, I noticed he let the liberals speak over the conservatives quite often. And right near the end the woman was making a point and then he shut her up and then let the liberal talk
@@calumgibson8974 i think ur lying now. he wasnt biased stfu
Well, not everybody. I felt so bad for the guy in the front row on the left. He acted like he had so much to say, but was to polite to raise his voice and shout anyone down. I'd really like to hear his story.
He let people talk over each other, that was my only issue with him.
Would like to have them come in for a follow up now and see where they all stand
we need this same group back
You should bring this group back, and see if their opinion has changed
Yeah, I bet the democrat is now a full blown antifa arsonist.
They now realize how stupidly incompetent Trump is regardless if you’re on the right or left
H Se No... i doubt that
I’m sure after these most recent events, they now see how unfit this clown is in the White House.
@@GiveMEsome7474 How is trump incompetent ? Because of police brutality? that has nothing to do with him??? hello?!?!?! not everything has to be his fault. blame the racist cops, blame systematic racism, blame things that actually CAUSE these things
I love that the extended interview has a million more views than the short one. People want depth - not click bait!
Left2Center EXACTLY
Left2Center FACTS; well said brotha
One of the most interesting debates ❤
So if this is the extended version, the short version that was first released was just edited to remove some of the time spent with everybody talking over each other.
the interviewer needs to be on a larger platform. he kept neutral and helped move the conversation. true professionalism.
The interviewer was amazing. Maybe he should have been stronger at holding back some of the interruptions but it's hard because those were the most passionate bits. I have a low view of vice but this was amazing
roro mad also had some nice waves lmao
One hell of an unbiased middleman keeping the peace. Absolute unit
It’s sad that we now have to point out proper journalism nowadays because it’s so rare 😒
he needs to break off and start his own show.
Can we just talk about how great the moderator was in this whole discussion. So calm and composed on the reactions
I feel that was what made this video great, I was kinda skeptical going into this because it's a Vice thing, and they haven't necessarily been Pro-Trump, but the way this whole session was conducted was great and I loved every minute of it.
I wish he would have reined in those 3 talkative conservatives that kept monopolizing the time and interjecting in the meager time the liberals used.
@@nuance8530 I think that he tried to a little bit but I think he didn't completely cut off anyone because he didn't want to come off as biased. So many kudos to him
Bring all these people back now! Lets see where they are all at!
Can we get an updated video of this conversation see if they still agree with answers now with everything that has happened over the last five years
This is pure unbiased journalism made by VICE & the host. Thank you.
Took them long enough
Sitting people in a room and having them argue isn't journalism.
it's unbiased and it is not unbiased. you have a discussion group of half liberals and half conservatives, specifically conservatives that support trump. the polls show anywhere from 3-8 percent black support of trump, so it is semi biased in that it shows a larger percentage of support among the black community. trump has nearly no support among them, as it should be. he has done absolutely nothing for the country as a whole, much less the black communities.
Sean Spreckelsen and Obama did what for the country?
“Unbiased” and “VICE” go together like chocolate-flavored tooth paste and orange juice :^)
Regardless of your opinion, credit to Vice for posting the whole (extended - good point - post the whole thing including the bloopers ey?) debate. More context means greater understanding.
this video is the whole debate? the title just says "extended version." this was still edited.
i have to credit news stations for not editing everything out that goes against their agenda?
@@KanoTunes Ah! True. Still an improvement, still worth commending. Often the whole filming can take hours, so some level of editing is acceptable in my opinion. However, you are totally right! Maybe they need a separate channel for raw footage?
@@johnmadara1252 I think by definition of it being a debate they are already at least partly presenting ideas that are converse with there's, but yeah, why not credit it? If you felt they weren't doing it well before, celebrate them doing it better now. It'll help further your cause and costs you nothing.
@NPC #92 Don't throw around virtue signalling too much - important term but if you slap it on to everything it doesn't ring as loud. Agreed that it isn't the full debate, but extended is better than compressed. Step in the right direction wouldn't you agree? Try and sprinkle some positive thoughts in there mate, not much use being a grump;) (joking - but still be positive).
This was groundbreaking! More please. Other than the Andrew Tate flop, each individuals authencity was top notch! Even 40 minutes isn't enough!
Conservatives are more tolerant of the opinions of others. It is difficult in fact intimidating to talk to Liberals because of being attacked. Your debate is great.
"Conservatives are more tolerant of the opinions of others." Are you talking about in general or specifically what we saw in this video?
I like how they were slowly finding common ground as the video went on. It shows the benefits of having discussions instead of bullying each other over controversy.
Both sides bully. They just do it in different ways.
Funny you should say that, I cut this video off halfway through because they were constantly talking past each other.
Amen. We need to compromise to progress.
it wasn't really a discussion, 3 of them just screamed everytime they did not agree
@@Kegyetleneper You have to admit it is still admirable to those who are open to still try to have a conversation.
The moderator is absolutely doing a great job ...far less biased than the msm
MS-NPC
@@trailerwager8850 Trailer wager DESTROYS Msm with FACTS AND REMOTE EXPLOSIVES
@@rantranger1527 💥🤘💥
Give up this MsM ,TEDIOUS & BORING
Right, that was super surprising from Vice
We needed this.
This was a hard video to get through with everyone talking so happly through eachother hahaha,
This interview is EXTREMELY insightful into the individualist vs collectivist mindset.
Honestly, and it was nice to see more of an individualist view point. I would have more morerdate speakers on issues because it was a very loud speaker of the echo each side comes from with few meeting in the middle or thoughful reflection
@@jzolghadr what do you mean?
Give a man a fish vs. teach a man to fish for himself.
@@TrueNorthPatriot vs taking the fish and lying about it
I can agree with that statement, it is wild, and it makes you wonder what causes that to develop in a person, is it nature or nurture, can we mold one or another in our children, or is it determined at birth, they definitely both have their advantages and disadvantages, if you are an individualist, you may be so into helping yourself you lack empathy or the ability to help or care to help others, but you can take responsibility for yourself and will most likely be more successful, on the other hand if you are a collectivist, than you lack the ability for any individual thought, which is dangerous because you follow the group, even if its over a cliff, however you definitely have safety in numbers, existential for sure, food for thought.
Good on vice for showing both sides to an argument. This is what a healthy society is built on - civil discourse. We need to get away from one sided media reporting (on both sides) and bring back the public forum! It's like a family talking about their issues together. We should start seeing our country as a family because we are all living in the same one!
Try telling a BLM hate mob that Conner. I agree with you but those people openly calling for the fall of America probably won't.
Agreed with the healthy society being based on showing both sides but in politics it is never 2 sides and it is never a full discussion when it is only one race there are many sides and many races. What would be nice is to discuss politics as a whole instead of being racist and only letting one race put their opinion in. The title to this video says it all "Black Conservatives Debate Black Liberals " thsi is a racist video.
@@spacecowboy1438 Dude said Trump got rich from big Pharma. He's a fucking real estate mogul.
There is only once race Human race
@@jimborghini2761 and honestly he inherited his wealth and anyone could make money off land in nyc
The guy on the left keeps changing the goalposts
literally haha
They should revisit this discussion with the same people now, I can't imagine it would be the same debate, things have radically changed since.
why?
Wow Vice. An actual non bias piece for once.
@GODDSUN AFRICANMACK'Nz what? how dumb can you be to come up with such bullshit, jeez
Guts Yeah Yeah 🤣fr
@GODDSUN AFRICANMACK'Nz reparations for what
@GODDSUN AFRICANMACK'Nz so, the English owe me reparations for what they did to my Scottish ancestors? Lmao.
GODDSUN AFRICANMACK'Nz - 😂😂 Reparations my ass! Lazy ass relying on reparations. White people owe you nothing! Now take your ass to work!
This is the first VICE video that hasn't made me want to throw my phone at the wall. Good job VICE.
sensitive much?
maybe Disney sent some editors over
Tony T Vlogs vice is so terrible lmao is what he meant
@@vn3138 sure
Not sensitive at all. Just getting sick of people trying to sell lies as truth. And the arrogant disregard for stability and strength in exchange for political and moral posturing is both reckless and dangerous.
George is the only one that actually spoke about policy changes that make tangible differences.