Finally Fixed? Does The New Class System Cure Battlefield 2042?
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Battlefield 2042's new class update arrives this week. What does it change and add? Did they finally fix Battlefield 2042? Let's dig into the news and see. Thanks to EA for giving me some time with the new patch, even if I wasn't able to grab much gameplay.
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A side note, apparently I hallucinated the IGLA. I think my brain crossed some wires with the Javelin and FXM-33. Dad brain.
Still probably less than 25% of the content we received in Battlefield 4 by this point in the lifecycle. Far too little, far too late. The premium model, despite its flaws was far superior.
I hate the changes I like to snipe and pistol and rocket on assault class wuth mckay was unlocking the rewards for those weapons. Now I can't. I I want to get the rewards for rocket I have to use a different class it's actually stupid. Its dumbed it down with removing the possibility of making your own build using the gadgets with what you want.. bad change. Done with this game..
I don't think this game can be cured because of the "hero/legend shooter" element. The next game, Dice has to go back to the true military shooter it was. I've always said they should've added more classes to the original 4 classes, Insurgency Sandstorm has 8 for example (the next game needs a campaign too). Dice are ofcourse free to make a hero shooter (would probably be good), but don't do it in BFs territory. I haven't played since season 2 but hope others are enjoying it, Im just here to watch Flak's video, thank you for keeping it true. Peace from Scotland bredrin 😎.
Battlefield 2 had 8 classes
@@Jonas-ej7id I think it was 7.
@@DarkCloud3000 yup 7, what Marv probably meant was the roots that made 2 turn into what 3 was (and 4 kept on improving) with Bad company being the biggest jump due to that change. While BF2 was very good, the elements transferred perfectly into bad company and etc, 2042 just went too far trying to reinvent the wheel (class system) while ruining some aspects we all took as granted in the battlefield series, along with a Portal that was a bit underwhelming after playing it for a few hours. They messed up class progression with whatever mess we got, and they messed weapon progression, vehicles are in a weird place with them trying to balance something in a vehicle type once in a while, either nerfing them or making infantry just totally blow it out (making vehicles useless). As the video said, they messed way too much with this title, it's bad if we keep saying battlefield something is bad compared to X and the next release is somehow worse and only then do people say maybe the previous one wasn't worse. WW2 was an example, it wasn't as bad as this, still missed some things. This 1 just really went over the moon.
Glad to see you're still grinding Flakfire. 🙌 Hope you have a great year.
sleeps is for the weaks
From what I've understood about this is that it's just the hero system but with extra steps.
yeah that's what it is. Just give us regular soldiers and have the gadgets be tied to the class itself not the specialist ffs
@@nickysimi9866 exactly, it’s so frustrating
Not really. It plays different and adds a lot of readability to the game.
@@yayayayayaya8140 the problem still persists if you are in a squad that isn't working approprately or as a squad and it gives them the ability to refuse to work together because now they have this "proficiency" system. He is right, ithis isn't going to please everybody, but the fact this would have been better in the beginning but not included is still going to be haunting EA and the Battlefield communities
Looking forward to trying out the new changes. Good to see @Flakfire back doing BF2042 videos. Missed you.
sounds like pretty good changes aside from proficiencies and lack of class locked weapons, but overall feels like a solid change for the game
I mean, you'd lose more people than you'd gain with that kind of change. The proficiencies hit both sides of the community.
@@FSH-fv6ww yup I agree it’s smarter for retaining players, I just think those two changes would get the game even closer to ye old battlefield formula (which I would personally like very much)
@@dinglewhompus Oh yeah 100%. I think the proficiencies went far enough that most people will choose the class and the weapons together. However, it doesn't stop anyone from lets say going Mackay and sniping on some cranes on manifest.
Imo one of the flaws of other battlefields is locked weapons to classes, it just limits gameplay way too much
@@landturtle7470 Interesting. I've always thought that the limitation helped keep gameplay interesting because you have to play to the classes benefits while also playing around its weaknesses. For me its been more "constraint breeds creativity" while also feeling like you have a role to play. Just my take tho
I would love to see them can the specialist gimmicks all together go back to classes only.
They almost figured out what made battlefield great 10 years ago...
Support and engineer weapon proficiency should be switched.
I would disagree, support are supposed to be up in the face supporting their teammates which means SMG is what should be used. Engineers are taking out vehicles and lmgs can be used to help do that more than an SMG.
Just like 2 weekends I was playing bf1 wit you flakfire, happiest point of my week, much love for making videos
Still playing it sometimes!
I played BF1 with Flakfire several years ago. Still the best damn BF teammate to date. 👍
The only issue i have with the weapon proficiency is that support get SMG's and Engineer gets LMG's. Since support gets ammoboxes which machineguns are very much reliant on.
I disagree that classes overly complicated things. Quite the opposite. I think that classes, while maybe adding some layers, actually creates clarity. Clarity cuts through the convolution that currently exists. Battlefield has ALWAYS had a higher barrier for entry that other titles. Also, I think the proficiency will be like the squad upgrades in BF4. Kinda nice when they’re applied, but rarely making that much of an impact on gameplay, or even paid attention to, for that matter.
I'm excited for the changes. I think once you learn how it works it's pretty straight forward. Most of the not so balanced things you could ot done before so it's not perfect but it's an improvement. I've been really enjoying the game for the past few months and while it's not the best bf game it's good in my opinion. Also IGLA is not coming with the update I'm not sure where you got that from. The aa missile listed is the normal stinger that's been in game. Good stuff as always. Hopefully most of the balance changes end up being good but this is dice so good chance we get some broken things
This is a great update, I’m having a ton of fun. Bugs and balance issues here and there but overall I’m enjoying the game more than before.
What's your thoughts on portal weapons recoil patterns in the base game? I.E the p90 in base vs the p90 in portal?
It still won’t make a MAV full of blueberries that just pulled up right beside an MCOM jump out and arm it.
I truthfully don't know how I feel about it as I have been someone who uses Angle with either AA or m5 rocket and the Prox sensor as I feel I never have enough teammate shooting at choppers and like to keep my team informed when enemies are around. The current system allowed me to blend the two parts but now with this new class system idk what to do
I agree , I use Angel with AA as well and loved the ability to drop a crate and resupply rockets. Now I don’t even want to play, as I have no aircraft defence game . Oh well…other, better games to play out there.
I noticed in the first clips that you played on PC too? Nice On topic while it's good that DICE are finally adding an odd form of the class system, I doubt it's going to bring the players that left. We will all try it out for a couple hours and realize it's just too different. They need to bring back the Server Browser and real community servers to start growing player count.
I honestly believe that they'll end up losing more players that actually stuck with the game because how it is currently than the ones that will give it a try with zero guarantee of they staying. I hope I'm wrong and this can become a milestone on a turning path, but I have my doubts.
I think it's awful, i hate what they have done,nothing works correct and its just a complete mess, even the way you equip underbarrell has changed and even then you cant use smoke or incendery with it as you used to.deleted to make space for pacman.
So far its double its numbers and the trend graphs show it still going up.
Honestly I can see people staying, unlike cod mw2, battlefield is listening.
At last someone pin point the biggest problem of identifying who is who....Great update though from dice but we need FACTIONS..hope we get them some point
Kinda think the recon proficiency should've just been extended hold breath compared to other classes. So not instant or constant but just more time with held breath.
I thought that is what it already is. Recon can hold their breath longer with Snipers.
@@jcaashby3 from my understanding it's they get immediate hold breath
Great and honest rundown! Thank you!
Unlike infinity ward, at least dice is listening to feedback. That's why I say it's worth giving battlefield another shot.
They only listen to their greedy shareholders.
@@adrnacad3434 and that's the problem with activision.
Support SMG like Medic in BF-V. Let me know what it is like once released. Maybe I'll buy it on Steam when on sale.
i’m probably beating a dead horse here but i still just don’t like the specialist system even with the new specialist i think it’s just not it.
Looking fwd trying this tomoz
Why didn’t they just make the characters skins you can you with anything? I want to have a wing suit and play as Mackay. I get brining back classes but I don’t want the character I play as limited…
love your content, non-biased battlefield content creator.
The changes are making me interested in returning and it looks like I can get my buddy to try it again too. All he wants is to defib people and run around with a shotgun, now that the defib is an actual thing you can pull out, he’s sold
it is the little things that make battlefield fun
its also making more people leave
It's like I thought, a weird Frankenstein between specialists and class system which just feels like it takes the limitations of both and freedom of none.
I think overall it'll be a solid change and return things to a more battlefield style of play. As a battlefield vet im not expecting it to be perfect but im thinking it's a good step in the right direction. The devs seem to be putting a lot of hard work in, and when the alternative is broken messes like cod (which I still play a ton) it's nice to see people trying to improve things
That's what I've been saying. At least dice can learn from their mistakes and do something about it. Unlike infinity ward.
@@1roxyfan491 I'm playing cod right now and it's an absolute fucking mess
@@hiderrsupbrah23 same
Honestly, i liked not having classes. The freedom was unmatched, and now the gane feels nerfed by not having the freedom to apply any weapon to any player. People do not fucking give you ammo and as a result tanks and choppers run the entire match. Sucks to see a good thing go to shit.
i'm happy for the changes but it's too late and the specialist are too much in the game for me. I hope that all this shit storm that they have been through, will make them understand what people want for the next title.
The problem is will anyone trust them for another game? I'm completely burnt out on battlefield currently and I'm exclusively playing 3/4/1 now. And if they announced another game I would not buy it until I see what other people are saying about it
No trust for another game for sure but changes were nice shows they are willing to admit and fix dumb decisions hopefully they learn but its dice and ea sp doubtful
Dramatic much? 😒
@@anangryspartan2502 battlefield is a big franchise, it wont die for just one bad game (well 2 as BFV was a bit shitty at the beginning, but still)
Most of the developers currently working at DICE joined after Battlefield 1, while most of the old devs left, with most of the new devs not knowing how the Frostbite engine works. So we will have to see if the next Battlefield game will be any good. (source: kzhead.info/sun/l5SliLKpaZyoenA/bejne.html )(yes, i know youtube video's are not reliable sources but idc enough to find some actual sources)
I have played since launch and welcome the return of classes. The main things I like is 1. weapons being left unlocked 2. Repair Tool should finally get used now with all Engineers having it 3. Being able to see Class Icons not only for team but enemies. It should help now knowing if there is an engineer around if your in a tank. Or if it is an assault with C5. Before the update you had ZERO clue what someone could have or not have since it was all open. Do I think this is going to make the game better. I would not say better but it should add the dynamic that was missing from previous games. No longer can one specialists do it all. You could use one specialists and just change loadouts to do take out tanks, repair vehicles, drop mines...drop C5 on and on. But now you have to change classes. We shall see how it plays this week. I see it overall as a positive. The negative is people got used to how this game played for a year so now have to adapt to a new playstyle.
When is the update coming?
Tomorrow
I think it's a marked improvement on what came before. There's so much more you can tell at a glance, like what kind of abilities/gadgets you can expect from an enemy.
I might redownload. When does the patch drop?
Well it made the LMGs better. ARs haven’t been changed apart from the extended mags being nerfed into the ground with the increased aiming time. The AK is basically unusable because the things that make it worse than the ARs that can out DPS it.
Dice has finally found solid ground by adding core features which have been apart of battlefield IP since the very first game 🤦🏻♂️. Dice have realised that following shitty trends doesn’t work! Hence the core features making a return. Don’t forget we didn’t even get a scoreboard on release …
Back to the class system is a great move but I do think however we should just have 4 different characters on each team so as to easily identify them also makes a clearer understanding of your role when playing ....less gimmicks please and it'll get there ...
Weapon proficiency system should be replaced by something more limited, like proficiency with class-related gadgets or grenades. Still no points rewarded for giving/followering squad orders to incentivise team play.
I will test this update for sure. I hope they keep this game alive time enough to gain theiselves time enough to don't make the stupid design decision that they've being making for last 2 games.
This update is not enough to convince me to buy 2042. It still seems like an experiment gone horribly wrong. I'm glad they are making more positive changes but I'll not be getting my hopes up for the next BF game either. EA and Dice have made so many dumb decisions. For now I'll be sticking with BF1.
It's sure alot better than mw2 when it comes to feed back that's for sure.
The one real problem is the fact that you have to rely on others to lock vehicles for you if you try to rocket them. Makes solo play really suck as you can’t be effective on your own anymore really. Stealth helicopters are literally impossible to shoot down if you don’t have a jet and the bolt tank is ridiculously fast so destroying that is near impossible at times. Vehicle balance is completely out of whack and needs to be toned down some. Launchers don’t quite do enough damage either. I feel with some balance tweaks in these areas the game would be in a pretty good spot.
Hmm interesting, the classes were pretty hyped up but unfortunate the specialists are here to stay... I guess I'll be waiting for whatever Ridgeline can come up with...
Didn't play it anymore since release, really tried to like it, just never worked. New class system... still don't like the clone issue, i rather have clone soliders than specialists. And not totally happy with the weapon traits, would prefer support lmg and engineer smg.
I'm open to it. But I'll miss the freedom I had before tho.
I will give the update a go since I have the game, but I just don't like the gunplay compared to BF5, and I don't like the maps that much compared to older Battlefield games so I don't imagine myself playing 2042 that long, but we will see how it goes.
Wait I said igla? So they are adding the javelin and igla in. As in 2 more rocket launchers???
No Igla, I bamboozled myself.
I jump back into the game every few months and I simply can not find the enjoyment that I did in past Battlefield games. I was hoping this update may have helped but it didn't. For me it's almost too chaotic, and difficult to focus on fighting a war. It feels like the game shifts too fast or the map is top big to really direct a fight. I find myself going back to BF1, BFV and BF4 to get my fix. They've held up, and I continue to find them more enjoyable than 2042
Same here bro
Goodbye WingZooks or any other "Only in Battlefield" moments
When does the update drop?
Tomorrow
Ive been saying since the launch. They just need to copy and paste battlefield 4 and upgrade everything add an awesome battleroyale mode boom battlefield beats warzone.
Tracer dart + Javelin. It's already broken and not even in the game yet. Guess it's good they're still working to improve but they don't seem to know the franchise or possess the necessary skill level. Hope it'll be better at least.
This Specialist/Class hybrid system is far from my ideal for balancing and the tone of the game, but I'm finally buying 2042 as a result of it. Hopefully enough other people do so and DICE/EA makes the new BF title with the traditional class structure and this experiment is disregarded as a trend chasing mistake.
I haven't had any problems identifying enemies in 2042 since the beta. Lots of people that haven't played for months keep saying the same stuff without even being aware of the current state of the game. I guess we'll see what happens with this change since it's fueled mostly to appease people that doesn't play nor plan to come back to this particular game.
Biggest flaws with the game when I quit was maps suck for infantry, helicopters mow everything down and takes to much to kill/regen too fast. And specialists was a step in the wrong direction for a BF game. My personal favourite BF1 nails most of it. Maps are well balanced for vehicle and infantry combat. 2042 is just world of tanks with helos
Which is my biggest obstacle with modern games, is that they turn into a heli shitfest quick.
I am not happy with this change. I don't know how to change attachments on my weapons and keep pressing the wrong button for grenades
Well i played a few rounds now and i feel the system is quite over complicated. I play bf since the first game but now i sit there and think what should i take to be not in a disadvantage and so on. After a lomg day of work i just want to enjoy a few rounds, pick a class and join the fight. But i feel like i spent more time in the respawn menu than on the field 😅. Good try but poor execution dice. Limiting things is not bad sometimes 😅
No way im gving my money to DICE/EA for this enormous clusterfuck of a game. Hope they really feel this economically and make a better game that doesnt have any BS in it
I still hope they come back to basic classes in the next BF game. Customizing all those specialists is a drag. They should've made those special gears of theirs a special pickup instead like BF1. I want to play 2042 but the servers in my region are dead.
I dont see how it is over complicated. Its quite simple in fact. 🤷♂️ I’m anxious to try breakawat. I think they are going in the right direction. Its been one good update after another. Im having a blast and I hope the next update continues on they trend
Yeah, feels like Flak trying to pull a strawman
The took the the repair tool away from the engineer class and assigned it to a specialist... make it make sense.
Now they just need to make skins for each faction for each character so every looks and fits fir a battlefield game I really want to turn off markers and most of the UI but noooo they just had to make everyone look the exact same regardless of the faction
The game is boken at its core with evil twins running around trying to kill eachother. Other than that the game is as close to home it will ever get. Im just glad that for eachbday we get one day closer to the next TRUE bf.
destruction rework when
Don't understand why they call those guns, Rocket Launchers, and gadgets as new items. They're pulled from Portal..... Even the names.
You know what could have been an interesting implementation of specialists? Do it like Battlefront 2 approached heroes. Once you have enough points in a round/have accomplished a decent bit, you get to choose a “Hero” class [ie. Specialist] for a life. This allows Classes to be left “as-is”, DICE/EA can still sell skins or whatever, and the sight of a hero/unique silhouette would be more of an event rather than just “oh there goes 5 helmetless soldiers….for some reason”
Wish I could get excited but it took to long, and I’m just not a fan of the specialist even with the rework’s. Like to keep an eye and see what’s going on, but I won’t be coming back for this game. Keep up the good work all Flak.
So its still possible to sit back with an ammo crate and a sniper and do nothing to support your team?
nope
Okay just start working on a shit ton on portal content for the next 3 seasons and add 3 other specialists to thew other classes so there is 4 in each classes and then we might call it decent
They could have done it right the first time when everyone expressed dissatisfaction. DICE didn't listen.
Gave up on battlefield 2042 a year ago- Moved on to Ready or not, hell let loose, and squad. Don’t plan on coming back.
Ok. Good bye!
I try to remember that even before 2042, not every battlefield game was for me. Battlefield 1 is the top of a lot of people's lists, I have like maybe 50 hours in it total between ps4 and pc. Just wasn't what I personally wanted it a BF game. If the basic functions of 2042 are fixed and people are having fun, then I'm glad it's in a better state. I won't be going back. I don't like how the guns handle, I don't like the maps, I don't like the characters, I don't like the futuristic gadgets and guns. Bf4 had 4 maps with a few futuristic things, that was my limit. I didn't play 2142 either lol. My only real hope for 2042 was portal. Last time I looked, there were basically no servers in portal.
Revive your squad mates! 😂👏👏👏
I dont think it’s enough for me to come back.
Im playing it again because of the changes, its a a bit more fun for me now
Specialist ruined this game. Their abilities are still a major pain.
It's a lot of fun right now. Few more changes and we're there.
i love the fact that i can fly in peace... everyone having rocket launchers was my biggest MEHHH ... now we good !
remember no pre orders
lol
I think bf 2042 need to make a huge battle royal map map and we are done 👍
Dozer should have been more a shotgunner trait because of how tanky he is
I don't think they understood what we meant with we want our class system back, but then again I think they do they're just playing stupid because they still want to force operators they can make bundles to sell us.. but in case they really are stupid we want regular classes meaning we want us soldier classes and Russian classes regular soldiers no operators no fairies know fortnite operators we don't want this to become cod.
Ever since this update I've noticed really worse team balance to the point it's extremely bad every single game I've played has been literally bad teams to the point you're getting dominated really bad or you're literally powning the other team to the point it's not even fun like wtf how they manage this I don't no
Now we just need RU specialist skin so we can tell who's enemy and not.
This is more like the BfV sub-class system
Omg finally the damn claymore!
So it feels familiar but to me it still reeks of hero shooter. The Specialists are still a core feature. I don't like how each class has access to every weapon class. I know I know the weapons are limited especially on release but if it was any other Battlefield my response is you either adapt to it or play a non class based fps game. The game is in much better state than before but I would still rather play Battlefield 1 or 4 because the core of those games are Battlefield and not hero shooters.
definitelt sounds overcomplicated. also meds and ammo on the same class? seems silly
no fix for performance issues such as low cpu utilization. no fixes for continued bugs such as wall stuck players unable to be revived. game modes that are actually fun are there for a week then removed. the list goes on and on. how is bringing back classes going to solve all the bigger issues that affect playability?
The real test will be if we see less Sundance and McKay sweats running and flying around!!!
No but it’s a medpack for sure
I don't mind the changes to the specialists, I just wanna have balanced infantry vs heli gameplay. What stops me from playing the game are the players that go 50 and 0 when sitting in a helicopter. It's so annoying. Either make the non target locked rocket launchers one hit to helis or remove helis from the game entirely cuz nobody likes being spawn camped by a helicopter that shoots infinite flares and hides behind buildings in any game. It legit isn't fair to the people playing BF 2042 casually.
So Angel can't use C5 or Rocket Launchers anymore? That's garbage
so silly they are still trying to integrate the specialists....shoulda just made the class system, and had opposing countries like in the prior games. damn you dice.
he said TEE UGS lmao
Somehow I doubt it. And is it still attack of the Clones or had these idiots finally doled out proper factions?
Just say you and everyone else that can't distinguish friendly from enemy are blind and call it a day, niggas quite literally have a big ass red dot and name tag when you aim at them/nothing on their head when in hip fire..while your friendlies always do, tone down the opacity if it's too bright and covering stuff on the screen.
I do feel they dropped the ball with faction uniforms. But with so many skins in the game you do not even notice duplicates etc. Also seeing enemies is easy AF because of the red markers and also red icons over heads at times.
I'm gonna play devils advocate. The class system sucks from my experience because there's never any supports. Also I love playing paik and now I'll be even more toxic with tugs a permanent proximity sensor lol
no because of pc when you strafe and just ducking walk it still feels like you are ice skating or rubber-banding. not enough to where it’s a lag, but it’s enough that my brain picks up on it. and it’s not just me. a huge problem for keyboard and mouse. this update is gonna be litty and make the game better BUT till they fix how shitty the movement feels on the pc i’m cool
Really wish they did more with the faction identification. Everyone just run around with bright LEDs on them screaming "Look at me! I'm Red so I'm the bad guy". It's just so goofy to look at. We could at the very least have different color combinations between the teams for cosmetics. Like US having a more green like tone and RU being more grey. But then again, there are bigger core things to fix like the general balance, matchmaking etc