AI Subject Recognition
The A7RV was the first Alpha to Feature a Dedicated AI Processing Unit to help with Autofocus. This AI Processor has now been added to all subsequent cameras, e.g., ZV-E1, A6700, A7CII and A7CR)
This video tutorial sets out to explain how to navigate the myriad of Sony settings for AI Subject recognition. This will allow you to further understand the camera's AI Subject Recognition and help you optimise the settings to suit your own photographic workflows.
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Great video Mark - I’ve been trying to learn all the new Subject Recognition features & this really helps my understanding - Many Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for a very helpful A7RV video.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for another great video Mark 👍.
No worries
Great video Mark. Im off to purchase my new R5 this morning so this has been very useful.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks Mark. Really useful.
My pleasure!
Amazing video as always! Thank you so very much
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video Mark! Thank you!
Glad you liked it!
So helpful! Thanks Mark!
My pleasure!
Thanks mark, one thing that has remained consistant from Model ILCE-7 to Model: ILCE-7RM5 is DMF (Direct manual focus) and it is very useful.
Thanks for sharing
Mark: I think you are correct about the deep learning. The machine learning model has to be trained on a training set of images. That presumably takes place at Sony, or at a Sony contractor. What is incorporated into the camera is the resulting deep learning model, which takes some inputs (an image) and generates an output (the location of recognized objects, such as human or animal eyes. While there are forms of machine learning in which additional learning might take place on individual cameras (potentially with the ability to update and improve the global model, that is almost certainly not what is happening here. I think you are also correct that the hardware-based components of the deep learning recognition are taking place in hardware on the RV, and therefore can not be replicated on earlier models. However, it is possible for machine learning models to run in software as well. The question is whether or not the performance would be good enough to be done in real-time on the host camera. Depending on the camera, it might be possible to run the model in real-time for all, some, or none of the camera's frame rate options. For example, it is possible that α1 might be able to run the model for lower frame rate settings, but not for its highest settings. (Or perhaps for all settings - I don't know.) Either way, it would be worth asking Sony to incorporate the deep learning model into the firmware of all cameras that are at least capable of supporting it in software with acceptable frame rates.
I suspect the Sony engineers are busy right now working out how to make sure the A1 MKII can perform subject recognition in real time at 30fps :-)
Don't like the buzz word usage of AI in marketing these days. Realistically it isn't AI, just specialized chips that does X function faster to help facilitated an algorithm developed by deep learning. Think of it like GPU acceleration instead of using all CPU. Sony can probably make it work with existing hardware of the A1, but the work to program/code would be too troublesome. Easier just to release a A1ii with the same chip and allocate resources elsewhere on the next big thing.
What I observed with my A7rV is a HUUUGE increase of the focus spot in images of birds ... in the trees. In the past very often the AF was losing the bird if there were some branches between the lens and the bird. Now whenever the bird moves the AF finds it and lock perfectly. The branches get out of focus and the focus is made on the bird. For me (passing from A7rIII) it is a big increase of success ratio.
Great to hear :-)
I upgraded from Panasonic G9, and the autofocus on the A7r5 is incredible.
Thank you!
You're welcome!
Hi Mr Galer, after a side step to canon, i went back to sony. I have the A7RV now, and subscribed back to your very good channel!
Thanks for the sub!
My dilemma right now - can I ask how you felt about the color the canon produced compared to the Sony. That's been my struggle point.
@@jonesfamily325 Prev. sony colors had a yellow greenish cast but those days are over now, the colors are very good now, more realistic.
Thanks for the video. In case of the picture with three subjects, if I’m targeting a group picture with a deep depth of focus, can the camera track multiple subjects simultaneously?
No - AF must track the priority subject and depth of field must take care of the rest. I offer full support, beyond these free KZhead videos, on my Patreon.com/markgaler support channel.
Always enjoy your videos and explanations of parameters. Question, though, on the A7R5 Subject Recognition: I'm confused by the "Recog Trgt Select Set" and it's relationship to the "Recognition Target". Is it preferable to NOT check anything in the 'Select Set' group, since when you choose something in the 'Target' it selects it there? Would that stop the camera for looking for all those types when you're only trying to prioritize one? The Help Guide mentions "You can select the types of targets to which you did not add a check mark in 'Recog Trgt Select Set' by selecting 'Recognition Target'. So is there a reason to use the 'Select Set' function, for stills, or should they all be left unselected? Your thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks.
You would normally leave them all checked (the default), as removing some options is usually only of any benefit if you are cycling through the options, after having assigned a custom key to advance through the options that are ticked (and ignore the options that you deselected). This would also apply to the new swipe menus on recent cameras, when you can touch the Subject Recognition button on the monitor to advance through the ticked options. If you are the sort of user who watches all of my half-hour and one-hour free movies on KZhead, and is left wanting more (most only manage 10-minutes), you would benefit from joining me on my Alpha Support Channel - Patreon.com/markgaler - where you can watch over 20-hours of video content and download a 600-page eBook for your camera + other non-camera-specific eBooks.
Thanks very much for your very informative videos. I have a Sony a7rv and have recently used it for dog portraits and have come across a small issue (but not a deal breaker). I set up the animal recognition so that tracking persistance was at 5 (lock on) so it stuck with the dog and recognition sensitivity was at 1 (low) so it wouldn't be fooled by anything else. What I have found though is that initially the camera locates the dogs eyes perfectly and tracks as it should do but after a while it then decides to only recognise the body of the dog even though the subject hasn't moved and the lighting hasn't changed. The only way I could get it to go back to recognising the eyes was to shut the camera down and start it up again.. at which point it went straight to eye recognition. I am not sure if I have tried to be too clever with altering the animal recognition settings or if it is a small firmware bug on the subject tracking algorithm. I might add most of the photos came out fine but one or two were not focused on the eyes as you would expect. I have done a video of this on my KZhead page to show it happening and have also sent it to Sony as well. I would be very interested in your views please on what might are happening in what is otherwise a fantastic camera? Thankyou
I am aware of the advantages and limitations of the Subject Recognition and I always pass on my findings to the firmware engineers in Tokyo. Happy to engage in lengthy conversations on the Q&A forums on my Patreon.com/markgaler support channel.
@@AlphaCreativeSkills Hi Mark. Did some more testing with this today. Your video suggests that if recognition sensitivity is set to 1 it reduces the chances of false recognition however in practice I have found the opposite. I photographed two subjects today, a stationary Heron and a Sheep in a field. On each occasion the sensitivity was set to 1 and on each occasion the camera whilst identifying an object and able to track that object could not identify it as either a bird or an animal. As soon as I turned up the sensitivity back to 3 normal it immediately identified the bird as a bird and the animal as an animal with the relevant af subject boxes. I also in the case of the Sheep turned the sensitivity up to 5 and it then went over the top and identified texture in the Sheeps fleece as an eye. This would suggest that recognition sensitivity is not looking at back grounds as such unless you turn the level down to 1 in which case it will not "see" the bird/animal and instead is looking at the auto focus sensitivity of specific subject itself. From now on I will be leaving it at 3 as out of the box as that appears to strike the finest balance and is of course how Sony set it up in the first place.
Very interesting, thanks for taking your time to explain this in detail. I can only hope that one day SONY will release RX10 V with the same 24-600 superb lens and all these new subject recognition algorithms. Almost 6 years since RX10 IV...
I hope so too
I shot with my buddy’s a7rv last week, 4 models. I was completely blown away. It really is that good. I don’t know how Jared polin is saying it’s just ok and canons af is still better. There’s just no way..not even close
A lot of reviewers are not very active photographers - they are professional reviewers and not professional photographers. Make a habit of watching reviews that show the reviewers photos and not their talking head.
@@AlphaCreativeSkills can’t argue with the results. And let’s just say I haven’t seen any pics from Jared I’d call remarkable…love the guy but his photography is incredibly uninspiring. Yours is mind blowing. Always looks like you used flash and a tripod…I’m like wtf does this guy pull this off?😂
Thank you! Just give me 20% improvement and insects on the A74, is that too much to ask? Appreciate the little reminders you give like using the expanded spot you have a great teachers instinct.
Glad to help!
Thank you for the informative and well presented content. Will shooting in apsc mode have less rolling shutter effect in electronic sent mode than full frame mode? Also would it not have been possible to give 12 fps in raw uncompressed in apsc mode? Thanks
Less rolling shutter but the Sony cameras with stacked sensors will have almost zero rolling shutter, e.g., A1
@@AlphaCreativeSkills I am waiting for the a1 with the new screen and the other A7R5 features. Mmmm. The A1 needs to be the full package for the price. A fast responsive camera is better in so many respects. Thank you and keep up the great work.
HI great vids , having trouble with eye rec on static birds seems to go off stops working tried all the fine settings in bird focus , but comes back if turn camera off and on three's a few having similar issues with flaky bird rec, will there be future firmware to cure this or is it faulty camera , i have latest firmware
I have not experienced this. If the bird subject recognition cannot find the eye, the AF target should expand to the head or the body (and then back to the eye when this is located). Sony have no published firmware update roadmaps since 2019 so nobody knows if Sony are about to release a new firmware upgrade or not. If you think you have a faulty camera then you should contact Sony to have your camera serviced.
@@AlphaCreativeSkills i try complete reset again and see what happens if still happens i have to send it in many thanks
DONE RESET SEEMS OK WITH BIRDS BUT TRIED INSECTS AND COULD NOT RECONISE BEES OR FOLLOW THEM BUT WILL KEEP PRACTISING
Muy buen video, muchisimas gracias !! Hago fotografia de regatas de barcos de vela, querria saber si reconoce un velero o no lo hace, muchas gracias. I use to take pictures in sail boat races. Do you know if it works on sail boats? Thanks very much and merry Christmas
Maybe sailing boats next year
Hi Mark. Been learning about Sony system from your channel since 2019 and your video always very informative and insightful. I was wondering you can also elaborate on Teleconverter topics in detail because I wanted to know whether Sony Teleconverter is part of "G Master" family lenses or just a normal glasses lens. I mean, I don't want to invest in Teleconverter for my GM lenses while the converter level itself is not GM as well. I'm done using the Sony FE 200-600mm zoom lenses because the quality cannot match the Sony FE 70-200mm GM OSS II. Thinking to buy the Teleconverter but worried it cannot match the quality level of GM lenses as many reviews said the Teleconverter will drop the quality of the RAW image. Sorry asking this because I'm just an amateur. My camera is Sony A7RV, A7C and A7SIII. Thinking to buy the 2x Teleconverter and need to know the tips for this.
I have the time to answer the occasional quick question on KZhead. Extended conversations, guidance and advice can be had from my support channel- Patreon.com/markgaler - this question requires an involved response.
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Very good video. Thanks very much. How about boat recognition?
No boat mode
Thanks for this video. I ended up selling my A7c to try out the 7R5 (+ a few $$!). I just shot my 1st race w 7R5 and it was noticeably quicker in AF as well as buffering (realizing this isn’t a sport camera). Also in btwn finishers I was able to quick-grab pix on the sidelines (which wasn’t always possible with the A4). Is it worth the extra $$? For me probably not since I only shoot pro part time but this camera is sooo much fun & my son can live with less inheritance lol!
Thanks for your input
Hi, Mark, Thanks for your informative video! But: When I take fotographs of Birds they are never as close as the Birds in your examples! Although the subject recognition works quit ok in many occasions. Sometimes, When Birds are at a certain distance they are not recognized. Can you give this and other limitations of the system some attention? Thanks Gerard
That's it in a nutshell really - focus is not so reliable at greater distances. All the best bird photographers will advise that you get much closer and practice your panning skills. The limitations of the system can only be improved by better air quality and better AI from the firmware engineers.
Hi Mark, great video as always.Do you think automatic subject changing future update for A7IV possible?
The A7lV does not have the A7RV dedicated subject detection AI processor so it’s anyone’s guess whether automatic switching can be implemented without it.
@@AlphaCreativeSkills thanks for answer Mark.
Dear Mark thank you for the deep dive into AI AF algorithms and thanks again for demonstrating how complicated and unusful Sony's instructions are sometimes! But I can't conceal my frustration after feeling that by this video you are kinda making our minds ready for accepting there will be no real firmware updates for our current cameras cause there is no AI chip in them! You are the most honest sony ambassador I know and really enjoy your videos, but I'm totally sure things like auto subject recognition and the ability to sort out the priority in between is not that hard for other current cameras with the new processor. Also simple things like focus bracketing can be definitely shrink down to every other alpha cameras. Why shouldn't I be able to do what you did on 12:33 on my A7iv? That doesn't need another chip I'm sure. Canon used to be the king of cripple hammer... Sony is going the same direction and believe it or not this is a big big mistake! Why? Customers like me are the answer. Having almost 10 great lenses which I love them and two bodies and yet have the switching on my horizon! Why? 2 simple reason: Ergonomics which have never felt great again after last Sony SLT cameras like A99ii which were just perfect. And the second reason the hesitation to know which your camera is going to get any special improvement through the update or not. My oldie lovely a6500 got almost nothing through firmware updates and Sony even didn't bother to remove that silly NTSC warning everytime I turn on the camera! The camera which was a flagship for it's time in it's class. Now we here all A1, A7siii and other models whining and begging for firmware updates for years and we see absolutely nothing from Sony! I bet it is possible to give many of these new features to even older generation cameras by only a firmware update. Sure not everything but many are possible. And it doesn't need to have an extra chip for many things. Sony A9 got drastically improved in AF through its firmware updates. Nikon Z6ii and Canon R and R6 are another example. Nikon almost gave a version 2 of Z9 through updates only! Other companies like Fuji, Panasonic and Olympus are no exception. Sony really needs to shake a leg to keep it's loyal customers happy. I'm still mad they didn't give 20fps in A7iv in electronic shutter which definitely was possible. Yeah not as useful as it is in stacked sensor cameras like A9 and that's the reason it couldn't cannibalize the sale of them too. Crippling a camera gives the worst feeling a camera owner can ever feel.
I have personally appealed to Sony to add any features they can to current cameras such as the A7IV, A1 and A7SIII via firmware upgrades. I can't, however, ignore the fact that the A7RV has a piece of hardware that is only found in this camera. I engage in extended communications with Patrons on Patreon.com/markgaler. My time is limited to deal with very long questions here on KZhead where I try to answer as many quick questions as I possibly can.
@@AlphaCreativeSkills I'm happy with your attention enough and I'm afraid to say I can't join your patreon as I'm from Iran and situation here is so hard and we barely have access to the internet. That fact that you asked them about this is so admirable. Thanks for your time and let's hope Sony managers pay a bit more attention to their loyal customers, specially photographers not only youtubers and vloggers.
hey Mark I've been following your videos for a long time and I really enjoy learning from you recently something strange has happened to me with my Sony a7r3 and I couldn't find an explanation and I thought maybe I could try and ask you, I am using it with the Godox ad600 with the Godox x1t trigger. I've been shooting with this setup for over a year and always used a shutter speed of 1/250. all of a sudden when trying to shoot 1/250 the upper part of the photo is black. when going to 1/200 it works fine and I was just wondering if u have any idea why? I've read that when using non Sony flashes you need to use a shutter speed lower than 1/250 but I didn't change anything and this is really weird. I know this is off-topic but I'm really curious to hear what you think about this situation. many thanks for all of the knowledge you've shared over the years. and I hope you might have an answer for me. Thanks in advance :)
The maximum sync speed can often not be achieved when using non-Sony flash gear. On some non-Sony units the maximum sync speed is as slow as 1/160. I offer a full support service for Alpha photographers on Patreon.com/markgaler
In your personal opinion, Mark, have cameras become a bit too easy to use? Drawing on your automatic/manual transmission analogy, is it always better to use an "automatic", or would you prefer "manual" cameras?
I often use manual focus when capturing landscape images as using my knowledge about hyperfocal distance is often easier than having the camera focus on α distance I can’t easily estimate. I could also use the Sunny 16 rule or f/8 and be there approach to street photography on a fully manual camera. It is when shooting erratic and rapidly moving subjects or working with super-wide apertures the modern sophisticated AF systems can be super helpful.
Please Can you create a user guide for the sony a7R V for the setup in general?
This is currently available on my Patreon.com/markgaler support channel along with a CAMSET file that sets the camera up from a file copied to a memory card.
@@AlphaCreativeSkills Thanks a lot!
Hi Mark! Just wondering if you would know how many pixels would result from using a lens such as the 70-350mm G lens for Apsc on this camera?
26 Megapixels- this information was available in my A7RV camera review and my 600-page eBook - available at Patreon.com/markgaler
@@AlphaCreativeSkills thank you so much for the information. I will definitely check it out.
Full time def is new for me, so my 100-400 and 200-600 will have it with Sony a7rv?
Yes
Hi Mark, just a question: The AI system of the new a6700 works the same way with a the adjustments of the a7R V? 🤔
That is correct - it is the same implementation of AI Subject Detection across al new cameras.
Mark, wouldn't choosing a subject to track be faster by usning expand flexable shot from the center area and then moving the camera to frame the image the way you want rather that choosing another subject frame?
This is faster for me. I have been focusing this way for so long I am not even aware I am doing it, I.e., it happens subconsciously (like changing gear in a manual shift car).
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I drive manual too but I like to pick focus before composition.
Question: If you are a patron can you download videos to watch? I am out of cell service a lot and would like to watch videos.
I tried offering an 'offline' video service but blew my band width out of the water and ended up with a one week ban from Dropbox for exceeding their maximum data limits. I believe you may be able to pay KZhead money for an offline service.
I have only had my a7rv a couple of weeks so forgive me if this is a silly question! Is it necessary to turn off this feature when taking landscape photos or similar?
You can quickly turn it off from the Fn menu if you find the focus is finding false positives (faces in rocks etc).
@@AlphaCreativeSkills thanks for that and all the other excellent tips and insights your videos provide.
Hi Mark. What about fast moving birds? Does the AF locks the bird without any issues?
That will depend on whether you are also using the other appropriate camera settings, a fast focusing lens with appropriate SteadyShot settings and your panning skills are OK
How is the focus tracking/speed compared to the A9 and a9ii?
I think I made my verdict clear in the video - A7RV for subject recognition and the cameras with stacked sensors for tracking
Do you think the AF speed is more impressive than the A9II or A7IV? I'm looking for an upgrade from my A7III, with the A7IV being at €2450, the A9II is €3,5k and this A7RV €4,5k those are some great price differences.
The AF subject recognition is the most impressive camera Sony have yet released but the AF speed of the cameras featuring stacked sensors are still faster (A9, A9II and A1).
A9ii is the fastest, but A7RV is smarter where to focus by recognizing subject better by utilizing the AI chip. A1- 120 AF/AE calc per sec A9ii - 60 AF/AE calc per second Sony doesn't officially list AF calc specs for A7IV/A7RV, but my educated guess are A7IV - 25 AF/AE calc per second A7RV - 20 AF/AE calc per second Those price points are more than just solely AF performance. They have other specs that justify it's position.
@@AlphaCreativeSkills ok thanks a lot!
One can only hope for the new upcoming aps-c flagship to have the same af + subject recognition abilities.
Sony has a habit of rolling a new feature onto every subsequent camera. The feature has also now appeared on the ZV-E1. As it relies on a dedicated AI processor this will require Sony to work out where they can put it inside a smaller model. The fact that it appears in the ZV-E1 (which uses a compact body) means that it should be possible. The price point is another consideration for Sony. I have asked Sony to prfioritize performance over cost when designing their next premium APS-C camera.
@@AlphaCreativeSkills Thank you!
Is it true that quite a few people are having problems with the this model when using the flash that the screen freezes? Are you aware of this? Because I have order this model specifically for focus bracketing so if the screen freezes on me on continuous shooting with the flash then this is going to be a very serious problem
I am not a big user of flash when bracketing and I have not heard this reported by any of my 172K KZhead subscribers or Patrons
I spent 4800$US for Sony 7RM5 and Sony 90mm macro to photograph single beta fish in a rectangular fish tank but with numerous subject tracking set ups auto focus rate is maybe 20% and rarely on eye or head.I tried my friends Canon R7 with adopted EF100mm old Canon macro lance and just set to animal focus and is much more precise and 90% images are sharp.No obsticals just small fish in a empty tank with water.Any suggestions?
You chose one of Sony’s slowest focusing lenses to shoot this.
@@AlphaCreativeSkills fish is only 5cm long and distance 30 cm what other lance do you suggest,canon 100mm is 16 years old and focus much faster...
You are using a Macro lens to photograph something that is not Macro. Choose any other lens with linear XD focus motors. That's pretty much any lens released in the last five years (except the budget 50mm f/1.8).
How are the A7rv and the 90mm macro going for you? I have the A7iii and the 90mm and would love to upgrade to the A7rv for macro. Hope the newer body will result in better and faster focuses?
@@hans6304 I am using 90 Macro in manual mode 95%.Tomorrow getting new 70-200 f4 II Macro.hoping to finally get some fast autofocus lance.
I'm struggling to understand what makes the A1 2500GBP more than the A7RV.
30fps burst rate
Stacked sensor. But yeah that's it.
As Jeroen states - it features a high resolution stacked sensor. The only other camera that Sony makes this type of sensor for is Nikon's Z9.
@@AlphaCreativeSkills We may never see an A1ii. It will depend on whether or not we see A9iii. That will confirm everything, especially if the A9iii has an upgraded stacked sensor (30mp+),EVF and screen. It's already hard to spend the money on an A1 now that the A7RV is out. That choice will be even more complicated with the release of an A9iii. The A1 will be a one-of-one. None before it, none to come, because an A1ii won't sell with a flagship price tag. IMO
Any one who has "upgraded" from A9 to A7R V? I do not care for 10fps vs 20fps but I wonder if AF tracking (just human face/eye tracking) is significantly better and more reliable than on A9. Thx!
Focus Acquisition can be faster when using a large focus Area such as Wide or Zone, but this is not the same as reliability of tracking. The most reliable tracking cameras (after focus acquisition, are the camera using stacked sensors such as the A9, A9II and A1).
@@AlphaCreativeSkillsThank you for the answer. I was expecting it. That means that most likely "upgrading" from A9 to A7R V for action doesn't make much sense, and it will be the best to wait for A9 III or A1 II. These cameras will combine AI focus acquisition with tracking performance. If my understanding is correctly, the Sony cameras could be positioned in below way (if I only considering res. and tracking perf.): 1. standard res. + standard tracking => A7 and A7c, $$ 2. high res. + standard tracking => a7r, $$$ 3. standard res. + premium tracking => a9, $$$$ 4. high res. + premium tracking => a1, $$$$$$
That's a good positioning summary
Will it come to a1?
As I said in the opening remarks this level of AI AF is driven by a brand new AI processor. How much could be handled by firmware alone is anyone’s guess.
I smell updated a1 on its way soon
@@KenToney may be as mark said this new AI AF is driven by new AI processor & I don’t know if A1 has this processor or not but let’s hope for the best
@@AlphaCreativeSkills I’d take insect recognition without the Ai bells and whistles as a firmware update for my A1. Great video Mark
Great video Mark however as an A1 user this is completely unacceptable that a firmware update has not already happened. I have been a loyal Sony user for year's and if they are not going to support their flagship model then sadly then im going to rethink my long time support
It is the new AI processor driving this AI Subject Recognition and not the firmware - I am not sure how Sony can roll this feature out to cameras without the processor.
Well, that's how it is now. Expect to upgrade at least once per year, if you want the new stuff :) One day, maybe, we will be able to upgrade individual components like sensor and processor, instead of discarding the entire camera. Who knows :)
My personal thoughts, as a Sony enthusiast/Sony A9 owner w/GM lens, I wish Sony would have done far more to this camera to compete with the 2 yr older Canon R5. I wish FPS was much faster (mech and e-shutter), 8K 30P, 4K 120P, far less rolling shutter, etc. While the AI processor seems nice, it seems to make the photographer work more, have more options/menus, vs working less “auto” like a smart phone… Just my opinion.
Sony knows the way to achieve much faster frames per second is to use a stacked sensor. Then it would be an A1 MKII and not an A7RIV update. This would also be the case for the issue of rolling shutter. Maybe look at the A1 if you prioritise fast action or wait for the new entry level model if you want a camera to think for you - this AI would be great for an entry-level APS-C camera, i.e. just remove the options and have it auto switch and get it wrong from time to time.
@@AlphaCreativeSkills Good opinion. Valuable feedback. What do you find yourself using for the majority of the time now? The A1 or the A7RV? I guess it depends if you want more res, or action shots... Thank you!
I will revert to using the A1 after my extended trial period with the A7RV - until the next pre-production camera arrives.
@@AlphaCreativeSkills This is why I have donated so much to your patreon/paypal... I appreciate your input. I was leaning more towards an A1 (high speeds, high res, no compromises...) Perhaps an A1 Mark II will work when its released. My one thing I'm not happy about though, is the cost of Sony's CF storage... (2) 640GB cards are $2400... :-(
I was trying to take a picture of a woman walking with her dog, and rather than focusing on the dog focused on her instead, how do I fix this without fumbling into menus?
You have to change the Target Recognition from the Fn menu.
@@AlphaCreativeSkills thanks Mister Mark! Do you know if there will be a firmware update that allows the camera to focus on multiple subjects without the need to switch from the menus?
@@AlphaCreativeSkills by the way, what I actually ended up doing, was setting one of my custom buttons to target recognition switch, and reprogramming the af on button to the target Recognition on/off button just in case I couldn’t get to the settings fast enough thank you so much for your help!
Thanks Mark, sounds like all roads lead to AI.
it's just marketing BS. The camera just uses data generated by an AI in some big datacenter.
Sometimes machine learning would be a better description of what the processor is doing but to do it in real time takes a lot of data handling . I don’t know I would call it BS as it is doing something that no other Alpha camera is currently doing - whatever you call it.
I think that it would be so much easier if one could speak to the camera, let’s say to choose the recognition target on the fly, and I am sure it’s so easy for a company like sony to implement it….
Like having Siri or Alexa on a camera 👍
exactly!
Camera does not learn, it was thought initially and thats it. It will only learn more if they train it more with future firmwares. Once they stop updating the firmware on some models, thats it, no more 'learning'. A lot of this AI stuff depends on the coders, how much images of animals they will feed the AI to 'learn', the more the better, and numbers are 100,000 and up to get decent AI detection.
Thanks for your input
If Sony listens to you Mark please tell them APS-C camera shooters are waiting for a camera with all this newest tech. Then I'd upgrade from my a6500. For an enthusiast, the full frame is just too bulky to carry around casually. So Mark, speek to Sony on our behalf, please, won't you?
I recorded a one hour video presentation for Sony explaining why I thought APS-C had a future if it was a fully-featured camera.
@@AlphaCreativeSkills Yes Mark, but you need to twist their arm into finally doing something about it. I'm sure you're strong enough ;-)
The Japanese respond very badly to unpleasant behaviour such as anger or 'twisting' - the only way I know that resonates with Japanese companies is respectfully requesting change. If they do listen to me they never acknowledge that they have heard me.
@@AlphaCreativeSkills Mark, I included a wink at the end of my arm twisting suggestion, didn't I? In other words, if those who Sony trusts, people like you, keep repeating the message - politely, naturally - it might eventually take the desired effect, fingers crossed.
Sorry missed the wink. I wish that Japanese companies had a more open dialog with their community and Ambassadors/Artisans - especially ones who have a strong social media presence. Sometimes I fear they pay marketing companies to ask the wrong people the wrong questions.
Unfortunately this still doesn't help underwater photographers, no marine life recognition yet!
I daresay fish will be next on the menu
@@AlphaCreativeSkills “fish on the menu” nicely done! 😂