Prosecution recounts fatal Apple River stabbing
The moments leading up to the fatal Apple River stabbing were reviewed in the prosecution's opening statements.
Nicolae Miu, 54, is facing charges of first-degree intentional homicide for the death of 17-year-old Isaac Schuman and multiple counts of attempted first-degree intentional homicide for his alleged role in the stabbings on July 30, 2022.
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This is why i dont like being around people drinking alcohol....
Especially badly raised underage 16 and 17 year old failures getting drunk drinking alcohol..
Same!!
They're very unpredictable and can go from happy to violent in a split second. I hate bars and I don't like being near drunk people either!
Right! Especially all those underage kids that were drinking.
They are white
This is why I rather stay on my property and just spend time with my dogs people are plum crazy these days.....😢
I can’t agree with you enough! In all honesty sometimes animals are much better company, they love unconditionally and they don’t argue with you!! I worked on a horse farm for about 10 years and I loved it, I’ll take a job working around animals any day then working around humans!! 😊🙏👍
Exactly. me too. Id rather hand out with my dogs any day all day..
Agee but those ‘kids’ were horrible bullies
Diddo!...it's sad you can't just go out and have a good time without drama or go for a nice little drive without some dick trying to cut you off or fly by you at double the speed limit because your doing "The speed limit." It's definitely not like it use to be. Times are changing....and not for the better. I can't stand negative energy, its such a Debbie Downer.
Agreed
Amazing how you have the right to defend yourself in court but you don’t have the right to defend yourself in normal life…
He punched a girl in the face FIRST. It was all words until that point, so yeah, he will die in prison, and he forfeited those rights in that moment.
If that's true he's the aggressor but I need to see it
There is audio that he hit the girl before they jumped him so that throws out self defense. Looks like he also stabbed her first but I can't tell.
Imagine your mate gets stabbed and you all just leave him in the middle of the river to basically die, rather than try help him out the water….
Easy to say when you’re not getting stabbed at
Well it wasn’t like he was swing the knife around? He stabbed the lad and then basically was walking away from them all. The lad was laying in the water by himself while all his “mates” ran away and didn’t even attempt to go over to him even when the guy with the knife was no where near them…
Such a lame comment … @naffaog256 luckily for you.. you weren’t there and really shouldn’t pass judgement on anyone that was there. I’m.. so if your mate got stabbed… what would you do different ?? Lol it’s really easy to act like you would have done better behind your keyboard 👋🏼
Like I said in my last comment. It’s not like the man was wielding the knife around and going on a rampage. The lad was laid in the water for that long to the point he had to get himself up! While his mates stood there and just filmed him trying to walk. No one person ran over AFTER the man with the knife had walked away… and it wasn’t like it was only a couple of people there was a group a literally group! And not ONE went to help him get up… society today baffles me. Guess everyone’s brought up different 😂 “Everyone’s a gangsta till they get punched in the face”
I don’t think they realize that rocks are deadly weapons and that’s what helped us to become who we are today. 🤷🏽♀️
None of this would have happened if the mob didn't attack this man.
Also wouldn't have happened if he didn't approach the group of teens. Witch why did he? In of states, they could argue that he is an aggressor of the situation by starting the conversation. I think it's ultimately self defense. But it deppends on how you view this sort of thing. Or how the jury will view it.
@davidandrews5262 😂 stop the bs...they fudged around an found out. Quit it....listen to the story then figure it out man.
@@thisguy8373 i say self defense. But other states and cases have precedent that would say duty to retreat along with initial engaging party. Just depends on state and jury.
He punched first, words don’t dictate your actions… grow up
@@davidandrews5262 "they could argue that he is an aggressor of the situation by starting the conversation." You're an idiot if you think starting a conversation gives the other party the right to engage in violence.
Moral of the story: leave people alone.
Opposite to what public school teaches: speak up when something is wrong
@@willipad2277 the something that was wrong was the teenagers yelling at and attacking him. Should've left him alone instead of mob attacking him.
@@willipad2277 Yelling insults at people and taunting them, isn’t speaking up. It’s provocation. Good luck out there.
Especially leave people alone who have a knife and are fighting back.
Yup! Mind your own business. That means you Murikans.
Lesson to be learned here, you rarely get stabbed for beeing polite, and respectfull...
Being harrased doesn't really qualify for being stabbed to death, but i guess youre american lel
For real xD just be respectful and 95% of the time you won't get stabbed. 5% you will meet a psychopath or someone whose just angry and want to kill but most people won't do this. Just be respectful and pratice mindfulness and nothing will happen
*Thugs and criminals named:* A.J. Martin, Ryhley Mattison, Tony Carlson, Dante Carlson.
Deadly force only could be used in a DEADLY attack or threat situation. You don't stab or shoot people, ( in this case kids), for being slapped. As impolite, rude, or loathsome as those kids were. O.C spray? Ok ! But a knife or gun in this case, totally unnecessary and overreacted!
@@Mkn28.. spoken like a true democrat, he was pushed, punched and had a hand on his neck, I am sure if you were in that situation you would have remained polite and not use deadly force till the light went out of your keybaord warrior eyes..
Cant believe he was found guilty after so many of the kids were underage and drunk too. At some point people gotta start taking action against this.
he was found guilty because he killed someone. get that in you're head. there was something seriously wrong with that man too
Right. I could tell, the way Nicolae moved, he was pretty hammered.
@@fleapo0p2946 Fucking thank you, holy fuck a rational person in this comments section jesus fuck I can't believe I had to look this hard
@@musicbruiseright?!!! Like how are people justifying this!
Stuff like this is why i am happy to be an introvert and I truly enjoy spending time alone.....
So sorry to hear that, life needs some level of Interaction albeit " Friendly positive interaction. 🤔
Jack, you don't understand the definition of introvert. We truly prefer being alone. We don't crave human interaction the same way extroverts do. And, for companionship, we usually have pets that we like more than people.
@@amyburch3365 If we choose to isolate, how will society have a future with which to flourish ?
@@amyburch3365introvert here I desire human interactions but there are times when I want to be alone
@@Jack-sk2elcities are filled with absolutely desperstely lonely and miserable people. Being among a bunch of people doesnt inherently equal connection. Look at where society is at and headed. I dont think people choosing to withdraw from a sick world are the problem.
As someone who spent many summers on the Chattahoochee tubing....nothing is worse than a group of drunken tubers.
I've been to the Chattahoochee and the Apple River. The Apple River is a lot calmer and more shallow.
And egotistical old white men.
Maybe a creepy pervert punching woman stabbing kids for mocking him?
I could think of a few things worse...
@@lifeofbru8929 well then you've obviously never seen Deliverance.
If my dad was in the same situation I wouldn't blame him.
Your dad goes around charging kids being hostile and slapping teenage girls?
But you wouldn't have been there to comment.
He’s just stabbed like 5 people and for what?
@@Elle-gc8xc he defended himself from
@@Dca9999 Can you believe that Jawahn Cockfield still gets to play football at St. John’s University in Collegeville, MN after he got his friend killed?
Why cant the court watch the video, what is this 1875???
If that’s the defense for the teens then the video is damning, it’s better to take the video frame by frame and try to convince the jury of whatever he thinks the justification is
@@EandE-podcastthank you. that makes sense!
Watching the video wouldn’t allow the prosecution to paint his own version of the story because the video shows them mobbing and screaming at the defendant like they’re wanting to lynch him.
@@venturini09 Doesn't the video show them doing exactly that? Old man was down in the water and they still kept going at him
@@executivecarrot3420 exactly. So that’s why I’m guessing that the prosecutor choose still pics instead of the video so he could make the punks look like the victims to a “crazed madman with a knife and bloodlust”
When a knife gets pulled out in a street fight… RUN FOR YOUR LIFE.
or Learn to " Skill Up " 🤔
The surviving victims said they didn’t even know he had one. They thought they were being punched. It’s more about situational awareness; don’t put yourself in the fight or flight situation to begin with.
Did you even watch the video? They didn’t realize he was stabbing them until later
Run to who? The democrats you voted for?😂😂😂
@@Pbplayer48WHO'S GOING TO TAKE THE ADVICE OF SOMEONE PRIVILEGED ENOUGH TO EVER BE IN THESE SITUATIONS💀
Why aren't these kids charged with drunken assault?
Because he punched first? And then murdered someone?
he ran to them
Insults aren't assault
@@koolarooo you are allowed to use reasonable force... the womanspitting and screaming in his face is actually initiating the assault, she was dealt a right hand accordingly... when the other people piled on and pushed the old man down into the rocks and water, it was multiple attackers and he unleashed lethal force....
They should be facung charges If not for their behaviour Nic would have found his glasses or not and been on his way Their behaviour set all of this in motion He must have been terrified...how could you not be
Teens try to mob and drown man. Man proceeds to implement all of his Edge-based weapons skills in self defense. Man is seen by law as the offender somehow.
so you're telling me that if a group of people comes and harasses me and starts calling me a pedo because i'm looking for a lost object and they start hitting me and pushing me and ganging up on me that i will then be prosecuted for defending myself....? that's what i am gathering from this.
Welcome to leftist america. Hurt someone ot steal for your own benefit and you'll be praised. Protect yourself or others and theyll destroy you.
Then you don't understand what happened.
Yes.
Yes.
These entitled young “men” incited violence and violence is what they received. That’s what I saw in the video. They attacked him in a way that you may find minimal but he was recovering from heart surgery. I think you should reconsider your opinion. That is all.
Imagine if he didn't have the knife on him. How far would the kids have escalated the situation?
exactly
They would have killed him and the news would never speak of it lol witch trials are the new "justice" and its on sight. Those kids are evil.
I mean didn't he punch a woman in the face before he was touched by anyone else? Who cares if people are yelling at you, walk away...
You realize thats when the videos start we don't see anything prior to that. We don't know who did or said what. We don't know why she got hit. We don't know. Everyone on KZhead has all the facts that they can't possibly have.
Not far
There's an old saying, you can spend a few seconds getting into trouble but a life time trying to get out of it. Don't mess with people you don't know.
Heck, don't mess with people you do know.
The people I know seem worse then those who I do not know! Ya feel me?
@@google_is_a_criminal I dunno. Didn't he silently approach them, then grab kids in the boat for no apparent reason? It's a weird case, but I wouldn't rush to judgment so quickly.
@@myblacklab7yea they didn't watch the video before commenting as most don't I realize...
@@TGravy-wp4rcyeah this guy is a murderer
My step dad used to be abusive after drinking. It gave me PTSD. I am terrified of being around people that are drunk, and this further solidifies it. Alcohol truly brings out the worst in people...
My dad did too and I'm sure I have it too. Grown men were terrified of him when he flipped out drunk, which was often when I was growing up. I always hated alcohol. It gets people to do the worst actions than any other drug.
Sorry to hear,I deal with PTSD from my father...overcame what used to make me feel like a scared child around intoxicated people to when I was a man just be very agitated and wanting to be aggressive but bottled up..dealing with my adult sons alcoholism have resurfaced my ptsd...I hate what alcohol has brought to my life even tho I'm level headed to have a sociable like it should be about...I hate how it changes peoples demeanor
It's involved in 50% of homicides
I personally have lost so much to alcohol. I hate it. I don’t drink, my husband has been 18 years sober this year. My children hate it as well. They had to watch my parents drink themselves to death. It’s so hard growing up in that environment and I’m truly grateful and blessed to live a good healthy life today. I broke that cycle of addiction and poverty. It ends here with us.
Im pretty chill and silly when drunk. Then guess that the worst of me lol
LMAO dudes over there dying and not a single (friend) is helping. their more worried about getting their bully on with an old man. How disgusting. I fell like everyone of those kids should be charged for the assault and stabbing.
It’s so pathetic to see people say that Nick was bullied to the point where he committed murder. So did Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold at Columbine High School. They were even physically assaulted and had urine thrown on them. Does that give them an excuse to go and commit murder?
Can you believe that Jawahn Cockfield still gets to play football at St. John’s University in Collegeville, MN after he got his friend killed?
And I feel like you got your juris doctorate out of a happy meal
@@vaati9364 yes he’s a real man unlike Nic
@@gophukyurselvs3621 They are both scum. what is wrong with you?
Every detail about this incident is disgusting and anxiety inducing. Nobody is clean here. The drinking, the horrific taunts, calling another group over to join them, the pushing, the stabbing, the lying...its real life horror
I've been watching the court documentary and everyone has been caught lying
If they would have left the elder alone, there would have been no problems!!!!
@@t.j.7789 💯 *FACTS*
Anyone know where the whole video of this is?
@@dirtluverluveruvdirt7009 it would be on usacrime somewhere
Apple river has a long history of drunken fights. My friends and I narrowly escaped a situation on that river when we were young. Never went back. To many crazy people
You mean crazy Karen's and rednecks
TO many? Is that the same as "from few"? 😂😂😂 JFC...
KZhead has a long history of fights as well. Just look at the comments here. 🙄
@@slappy8941 I bet you have tons of friends.
@@ukmedicfrcsstfu and show us your bobz
We can’t defend ourselves in this world anymore
Can't believe this case went forward. DA should be fired
Dude murdered somebody, and never reported it hoping he wouldn't get caught. The way he had the knife facing up and the motion he was using he was clearly trying to open people up and kill them. Then when arrested he lied about what happened. If he called the cops after he got to safety, told the actual story and explained why he feared for his life, he may have had a believable self defense case.
@@SavageRaccoonkeep lying
@@strafer8764 everything I said is accurate, according to videos of different parts of the incident.
@@SavageRaccoon self defense isnt murder
@@SavageRaccoon he killed that person but he didn't murder him.
This is just one of the many reasons I don't associate with drunks. Been dealing with my drunk ass family far too long to know what could go wrong.
You have wisdom. Really good to hear that your past experiences are guiding you in the right direction.
God said my people are stupid
I'm trying to stop but it's hard
@@blessedblessed5018 Keep praying to Jesus & dusting yourself off each time you fall. Find a local Church community or support group to help you make a disciplined strategy. Break out of the "sin-shame-despair-resolution-repeat" cycle. Bring it to Jesus. If you are in Christ and have accepted him as your Lord & Savior through FAITH ALONE, know that all your sins are washed away. Past, present & future. He paid IT ALL for me and you. God's grace is sufficient for EVERYTHING.
You & me both!
Kids are at fault. Im so glad all my friends are sane and calm people, and none of us drink poison.
Whoever supplied the 17 year old with that much poison better have a conscience that is screaming with guilt. That kid could have died three other times that day.
The kids didnt kill anyone
@@KaylaMarie_ consequences
@KaylaMarie_ they very well could have. They were just lucky that they didnt. Shoving an old man into water, and also drinking excessively near a big body of water. Many other things could have went wrong that day.
@@brettpid6416the old guy punched a girl lol
Why does the video say stabbing victims? Rather then stabbed perpetrators?
Because they stopped advancing when he pulled out the knife and it became self defense when they reengaged you troglodyte
Because mainstream media is FULL OF SH¡T, they sp¡n sh¡t to FABRICATE A STORY not report the news in a transparent and unbiased fashion. NEVER trust the media as a reliable source of factual information. They have EDITORS for a reason. They have advertisers that pay a lot of money and therefore have a lot of "pull" in the media. The advertisers are big corporations. They lobby in Congress non stop, the give HUGE campaign donations. "Follow the money" to quote Ross Perot. Follow the money, you'll find who is really in charge, who selects presidents, who causes wars. If you trust almost anything mainstream from the education system to the media to politicians you might as well trust the drug dealer on the corner of 1st and main. We've had a war on drugs, poverty, famine, crime, etc etc when it's been the controllers causing it all to begin with. If people would educate themselves and stop lying to themselves while practicing denial like it's a religion, the picture becomes more and more clear. What does the picture reveal? Almost everything we're taught and told is truth is the opposite- lies lies lies and then more lies and again more lies......yes, it's that bad.
Being a bully has consequences.
being bullied isnt a hall pass for MURDER either 😂
@@Kylorenz710 The pack mentality scared that old man. He felt threatened. at least 10 young men picking on one old fat guy. Yeah I would’ve felt threatened too
@@CopWifeCopMom he wouldn't have had any reason to be scared if he hadn't punched that girl in the face. And I can see stabbing at someone in self-defense but gutting 2 people and attempting to do so to a third person is extremely deviant behavior. There is something very wrong with that guy.
You’re a sick puppy
@@CopWifeCopMomBut that is no reason to kill one kid and wound 4 others!
Moral of the story ? Don’t F with people that you know nothing about whether you’re right or wrong.
If only people were this smart.
He's gonna get life in jail so you're comment is pretty irrelevant. Derek chauvin supporter? You probably wanted kyle Rittenhouse to be found guilty too 🤡
That's the moral you got from this story? Why are you minimizing the actions of that man?
@@joeblowe3180what would you have done?
If they ignored him this would have never have happened @joeblowe3180
This happens so quick, a lot of times- you won't even realize there's a knife out until it's too late.
This man defended himself against a group of bullies , if they didn't pick a fight nobody would have suffered. Case closed
Not true. He wasn’t held there against his will. He was told to leave them alone, no action was made, he left and came back with a knife. Learn the law before you speak on it
@@miche11evpayne24 leaving and coming back with a knife makes it premeditated and its no longer self defense, yes A lot of states do not have a duty to retreat though. I live in one. Which means if i had a knife on me and this happened to me, i chose to stay instead of retreating and im assaulted immediate self defense case for me. A group of people posing a threat come up to you, you arent required to let them control you. Otherwise, we legalized people bulling eachother and pushing them around by requiring you to retreat whenever confronted
Symptoms of a society that’s lost all decency and respect for each other.
Facts
A society that has turned its back to God.
@@thystaff742 God condoned killing.. "Stoning your Children if they don't listen" "Eye for an Eye" "Killing the First Borns" "Justifying tying people up and if animals ate them it was his will" "Genital Mutilation (Isn't killing but bad enough" Bible is Brutal.
Humans are Animals, Some can rise above their baser instincts the majority of the time but some never do and even the ones that can will drop to that level eventually if pushed or shoved. You can't trust Humans..
Thank the GOP and Trump.
It's wild when your friends guts are hanging out and your first thought was "wait, I should film myself reacting to this."
First time I watched the video I was like Did he really turn the camera to face himself after all that went down?? Yes, yes he did.
@@chriscohen9559 yup one sick generation....
For real.
SOCIOPATH
@chriscohen9559 the thought process displayed by the cameramans filming is the sole reason this happened; they are all reatarded, thank the parents
These kids are going to get jumped if recognized in public. Prosecution also needs to put them in jail
100% self defense. These kids need to LEARN you DON'T mess with people like this.
Video clearly shows that he approached them and that he was the one to initiate physical contact (striking the girl first).
@@Tom-tq9pt there is nothing in the video showing he hit the girl first. Quit making crap up.
All involved, from the instigator filming and yelling, to the assault on the man by multiple parties, should be held accountable.
TOTALLY AGREE
Knife guy went from victim to murderer real quick. He may have gotten away with stabbing the first guy, but then he stabbed a young woman who posed no threat to him and a guy who was trying to break up the encounter. Should the others face criminal charges of some sort? Sure. But let's not pretend they're in the same league as knife guy.
@@chrisseger2346had they not attacked him none of it woulda happened period. Drunk immature brats f'd up
As he shoukd with a mob attacking him. Ill bet theyll think twice at least the survivors @chrisseger2346
@@kyos8462 I completely agree the fact he came back armed showed aggression. HE CAME TO THEM.
People just can’t act right anymore.🤦🏼♀️
Ikr, this white in white crime is getting out of control!
🫓🫓🫓🫓
Lmao, you think people haven't been acting like this since the dawn of man
@@SirDingle Exactly, we just have it all on video nowadays
Exactly. Can't go anywhere without some fools causing some form of trouble.
How was this not self defense? I dont understand. If its one man against a mob of people?
If this same group was attacking a cop, this would have been hands down self defense, and investigated from another perspective.
Excellent point and obviously true.
Cops use falling acorns as a reason for self defense.
Disgusting.
Alcoholics sure are still somehow managed to push the blame on "drug users"
Disgusting that 13 people can turn violent with 1 man, yet somehow their victim gets charged.
@@jacobmccandles1767 AMEN they were right out of a bad movie
@@yungjunkie666 yeah too many young alcoholics bullies
@jacobmccandles1767 if you think that's disgusting try a mirror
Used still images instead of video so we can't hear the "children" acting worse than animals?
So the killer was not an animal? Goes back to the group after he goes and gets his knife? Why not stay away ? He clearly shows intent.
@Vicki1930 you must be waiting to learn the same lesson.stay vaccinated.
@@Vicki1930 idk why everyone is sticking up for the murder. Why was he over there regardless with a deadly weapon?
@@junicohen7918 You talk just like the vaxed tho?
@@google_is_a_criminal You really typed this? lol. why was that big child over there with a knife hitting women?
This prosecutor has a talent for twisting hard video evidence towards his bias
Fuck around and find out. Best example here, always respect older people and people in general.
Back in the day teens would help him look for the phone. This society is rotten
100% agree
@@xavierb9061 what joke? Dumb ass teens stated shouting pedo like a guy after heart surgery is chasing teens ffs
@@xavierb9061 where did you hear that? Besides from the kids because they have been caught lying and talking to each other to get their stories straight. Their testimonies are falling apart on the stand.
@@xavierb9061 yeah you said that the first time. I asked where did you hear it or is it just BS
agreed
So what you're saying is, if a gang of people assaults me? I'm not allowed to defend myself?
That's not self defence. He could've walked away, and why did he have a knife in the first place?
@Mel-wn9gb he could of walked away you say. ONE he did walk away, and they followed him. TWO They then pushed him down and kept pushing him from getting up while hitting him in the face. How is he supposed to get away when he is Surrounded by people pushing him and hitting him and keeping him from getting up?
@@thewhoopingcrane He walked away, got his knife and then walked back to them.
@@Mel-wn9gb That's clearly not what happened. He was assaulted, and then assaulted again, without any chance to retreat before stabbing several people in a state of fight-or-flight.
@@Wallcraft_Official Then he should've fought, not disembowelled a 17 year old and stabbed two other people. That's not self defence.
why not play the damn video
Everyone gangster until they got disemboweled 😂
Did i read this right? This started because Nicolae was about to start searching for a friends phone they had dropped in the water. Then when he neared a group of teens they started yelling at him calling him a child molestor which is what instigated the fight?
You read right
They also started to push him around, Seems to me they had this coming,
And when he fell, one or more of them slapped and/or punched him in the face several times. All while laughing and taunting him. There is no way this is premeditated
Are these kids gang stalkers?
@@kiddalingur death?
Why is the Dad who owns a bar letting underage kids get drunk???
Right
R u serious? Different cultures. Who brings a knife to swim.
Children raising children
Children are legally allowed to drink with their parents in bars until they turn 18 in Wisconsin.
@@nopenope9118 after 18 , do they quit drinking then?
This whole situation is just super sad
“You’ll see that the push doesn’t really do anything as he gets right up”. Realistically, you could say the same thing about the girl that apparently was punched and never went down.
I’m not familiar with this case, but I think I get the gist of it. 8-10 drunk kids thought they’d fuck around with an old man because there’s all of them and just one of him and “what’s he gonna do”… and then they found out. Is that about right?
You could'nt have said it better!! I was thinking the same thing!! What's the saying" fuck around and find out !! This whole situation is just sad!!
@@offbeatcomposition did you see the video? these kids laughing and making fun of him, pushing him into the water screaming at him. Normal people dont do that
Fr. That person didnt watch any fuckin video. He didnt pull out the knife til after they gang pushed him into the water.@@lacustina6560
@@offbeatcompositionhave you even watched the video at all? It's not true what you're saying. I have seen video about 2 days ago. He tried to walk away and they followed him continuing their shit. They slapped him after they pushed him into the water. That's where the knife started to work...
Ur dumb as a rock, why would he change clothes and hide from police, why whould he run away from police, lie to police and say the kids drew knifes on him. He approched them, never tried to distance himself, he never made any attempts to get away. Never brandished the knife telling them to get away. Stabbing people that never tuched him, saying it was in self defence and that he was afraid for his life when in reality he was just angry. @@SasaRadic-fq5en
This is so disturbing and avoidable. Just sad.
A wolf pack mentality by the teens + alcohol= tragedy. Why not be polite and helpful but kids are not taught these qualities these days.
This started because Nicolae was about to start searching for a friends phone they had dropped in the water. Then when he neared a group of teens they started yelling at him calling him a child molestor which is what instigated the fight. Now you have the first half of the story.
I think your half right. I think the teens didn't understand what he said to them. Probably because he is Russian and the words he used didn't translate correctly. So the teens being drunk and high start to taunt him. This is what teens do now days. What Nicolae should have done is walk away, wait to the teens floated down river and then went back to the area to snorkel for the missing phone. But he didn't do this. According to his wife's testimony. He came back to the group and grabbed the knife. Then returned to the confront the teens. This man isn't a child molester, he is a monster though. He got the knife with the hope one of the teens would assault him and he could teach them a lesson.
@@craiglockwood981 I can understand the frustration. I'm sure I was a piece of work in the early 2000's. Kids these days BLOW MY MIND. Probably just a generational thing. One thing stands true. F around and find out. Especially in the midwest.
@@cadevaughn7596 I think we are basically on the same page. There are consequences for the actions a person takes. I guess when teenagers act stupid for whatever reason they still shouldn't be stabbed. And they shouldn't lose their lives.
Doesnt matter dont care it brings nothing of merit to the situation
Insults instigating a fight are irrelevant, though. Insulting somebody isn't illegal. Threatening somebody is, though. However, if they were threatening him then why would he run toward them?
Booze and Drugs accomplish nothing but these types of results.
Not every1 who drinks is out doing stuff like this. Some people only have a drink, and play some board games etc. This is way WAAAAY deeper than that... why did this OLD MAN have a knife at this thing, is significantly older than anyone else there, there's soooo many more red flags than substances.. let's not infantilize this man or blame it on inebriance alone.
Booze and drugs is the same thing because alcohol is a drug. Don't believe me, do your own research.
WHAT?!? Billions of people spend BILLIONS of hours at the river, the ocean, the club, at parties, etc and they do so for decades and nothing like this ever happens. What in the heck are you talking about? I've been going to the river since I was little - around 2 years old. My parents and their friends drank and did whatever drugs they did back then al9ng with at least 50 other couples who were also always at the river. Now I'm 40 and I have river front property. We get on our boat and zoom straight across the river to the same island my parents enjoyed for decades. And there are now more couples out there drinking and doing God knows what types of drugs.... No one has ever been disemboweled or hurt other than the occasional cut from stepping on broken glass. I've been a medical provider for 23 years in the ER and while I do see the occasional alcohol or drug related incident, I see far more "sober" accidental injuries. Kids on trampolines and traffic are the worst. We do see alot of GSW (shootings) at the club between gangs... But as far as most people who live in small towns and have nothing better to do than to drink and smoke and snort and party at the lake, the river, the barn, or the field, or even on four wheelers and side by sides, it's relatively low. If you don't wanna drink, no one is making you. But some people enjoy it. And what you're saying is absolutely 💯 false. "Accomplish absolutely nothing"... 😂😭🤣🤷🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🙄
Well said in the land of more than small
@@nessmarroquin5717 He wasn't with them. It's a public river! Most real men carry a pocket knife.
just nothing but a typical group of entitled bullies who deserve to be charged
The man minded his own business. They ganged up on him. Assaulted him. He fought back. Lesson learned here mind your own business keep your hands to yourself
Playing the videos is more reliable than showing a cut photos or screenshots
Yes but the cut pictures are very very deliberate and being provided by the prosecutor to try and prove his narrative the video would counter that narrative and benefit the defense in the argument of self-defense
They do both.
I saw both the video and the stills and I feel like the two together paint a complete picture. I couldn't even see the stabbing when watching the video because it happened so fast. The stills were very enlightening in that regard. They really showed the degree of deliberateness in his actions. He didn't just wildly stab out trying to defend himself. He stuck that knife in low and deliberately pulled it up as high as he could. That is as perverse and deviant a thing as I have ever seen. That guy should not be walking the streets.
You saw him being choked and pushed in the water with 5 + guys surrounding him? @ShellyCline
@@Puppies-Plants-Politics stop. Just stop. Nobody choked him. He got pushed and slapped. And that only happened because he became aggressive with the girl, to which he ADMITTED on the stand today. My original words still stand. I've never seen anything so deviant in my life as what that man did. People "surrounding" him will never justify that. Especially when he shouldn't have even been there in the first place and purposely went looking for trouble.
Wasn't the old man being attacked? I would have felt threatened too.
Yes, and the keyboard mafia are trying to claim he started it all, slapped/punched a girl, then they reacted to that. None of that aligns with the multiple actions that were caught on camera against him prior to him defending himself. He was looking for a phone, they decided to be drunken juvenile delinquents and start trouble with the wrong person that day.
He attacked first, punched a girl in the face…he started it, then stabbed 5 ppl.
@@WonkaBizThey attacked him first. F around and find out. Self defense.
@@WonkaBiz no. anybody who watched the video knows that's not what happened. these kids have nobody to blame but themselves.
They surrounded him and were jumping up and down and screeching like monkeys. In the video the boys start pushing each other over and it’s like a domino effect and the guy eventually goes down and gets punched in the head. It was so chaotic I don’t even think they knew the guy had hit the woman at that point - if he ever even did. The kid that testified to it saw nothing and clearly was a liar.
Clearest self defence case ive ever seen televised
Wow. Old guy gets shoved into the water and then struck in the face while surrounded by a large group of drunks, fears for his life and gets 1st Degree Homicide? Prosecutors need to go back to law-school.
Don’t ever mess with an old man until you know what kind of young man he was.
Most of them are unhinged from the years of coddling, people making excuses for them, stroking their frail egos, telling them that they are the men of the house when they display ZERO leadership skills, demand everyone respect them when none of them have earned the respect, gaslight everyone around them, allow them to ruin every event and holiday with their tantrums and still stay with them playing nurse whikenthey terrorize their families until their last breath. Old women still telling these old lumps of lard they are kings while the young ones finally starting to wake up to their inherent violent nature.
Well to be fair it's not as if they were beating the shit out of him. This isn't a proportionate response.
@@H-Town_83
@H-Town_83 Yeah, actually, they were beating him up. He was only snorkeling, looking for lost jewelry and minding his own business. Then these six drugged and drunk 17 year old started screaming, calling him a perv and that he was looking for little girls. They escalated it from there. Then, four grown men joined in. They kept pushing him down in the water and even pushed his head under the water. So ten against one.
Whew! That is some good advice…
And this is why I live in the woods with my dog and cats and avoid humans as much as possible EDIT FOR THE KAREN'S AND KEVIN'S: None of us have claimed to be hermits. Speaking for myself I have HIGH standards for the humans I allow in my life. It's a very small number as society has lost its bloody mind. Unlike you I don't rate my value by the number of followers I have it's the content of character, honorable human moral ethical human. I'm Christian and I prefer to be around those who have the same moral compass. Being alone doesn't mean lonely miserable or depressing. It is about having standards and value for yourself. Go find Jesus and stop being hateful nasty humans
You're so lucky to have that's seclusion I wish I had it
here here. My 10 acres isn't far enough away from PEOPLE in general. I'm stacking it up with trees so I don't have to look at them.. lol
@@HomeDIYSStuff must be a dream,id love it,I only deal with my 2 dogs and 2 cats,I can't wait until the day I can get away from people, I am already in seclusion now but it's not far from people I live on the outskirts of a big city, and I hate it
We have to make a living in the city. The work in our fields is not there in remote locations.
you gotta come out some time....and thats when they will get you
Self defence, They assaulted him.
His terminology isn’t correct, they are not victims, they are assailants
Yep
*Thugs and criminals named:* A.J. Martin, Ryhley Mattison, Tony Carlson, Dante Carlson.
tell that to the jurors
"you dont see him getting stabbed in the video", because his 'friend' was filming himself for a reaction vid, jesus these kids are lost
the video is the reason hes behind bars too so maybe youre wrong
Kids those days are addicted to their phone filming videos for TikTok just to get likes and subscribers …
@@KevenJobin-cc1gy amen, sadly fodder
When you watch the kids testimonies, you can definitely see they are lost. I actually found them to be quite dark and deceptive. No sense of morals inside of them. Just lawless.
@@Justyburger 100%,, they are useless folks
FAFO. Why is this being prosecuted? What is wrong with Wisconsin prosecutors?
Kids now a days think they are untouchable
Well I don't Isaac's parents would agree with you.
That's what happens with having their heads in their phones 24/7 instead of the real world. The internet has not helped our kids as much as it has disturbed their normal development.
I am a loner , I don’t drink , and I avoid trouble as long as I can .
Not a flex lol
Congrats you must be so proud
this is a prime example of why you just gotta leave people alone. if someone starts some mess, just walk away, if they continue to harass you, call the cops. its better to do this then to have lives taken senselessly
Common sense isn't a factor if alcohol is involved.
Amen !
Same people here opted to defund cops, so good luck with any cops showing up.
This is why the second amendment is so vital
@@bracoop2Yeah. I always carry when I'm floating on the river🤔
They did it frame by frame with their narrative. Just play the entire, unedited video. Those kids should have left him alone.
Dude was looking for his phone, thought the kids might have taken it. They started assaulting him, he defended himself. Moral of the story, don't move to Wisconsin because you can't defend yourself...
That's good advice. Wisconsin doesn't want you here as well. Stay where you are and continue to read your comic books.
Those kids were having a great time taunting that man. They surrounded him, pushed him down, and slapped him. And their laughter got louder and louder and louder until he started defending himself. Shame on them.
He was being a drunk weirdo following them around. Yeah the kids were annoying, but you're an adult grown man. Go about your business. What was the game plan? He had the opportunity to walk away like 3 or 4 times but he kept going back. Go figure they looked into his socials and he posts frequently about using self defense. He **wanted** an altercation to happen here because he's a pussy snowflake
After he was yelling at them, ran over to them, stopped them, hit a woman for no reason, then they pushed him over and slapped him. He was the instigator and attacked them first, he was the only reason anything happened. His behaviour was just as poor, if not worse.
you are leaving out the most important parts.....Miu left and then came back.....he approached them 1st...he threw the 1st punch......other than that you are spot on😆
@@thomashelm7450Not what I seen in the video
I hope the man gets off and acquitted of all charges.
Don’t put your hands on people. Don’t instigated fights. Don’t get messy drunk. Mind your own business. Words to live by.
Alcohol is always the root problem.
You don’t know what you’re talking about. He invaded their space, threw the first punch, and then killed the 17 year old. Throw the book at this guy. Life.
And don't stab people
All of these things apply to the old crusty white dude
@twixenjoyer-xl7zzhe went up to them and refused to walk away
if a mob don't get illegally drunk, and illegally assault a guy (fuck around) they don't get cut up (find out) ... simple self defense, guy was afraid for his life
From the video I seen, he's not guilty! Those kids should have left the man alone and not touched him!
instead of calling 911.... Let's just record this crazy moment!
Exactly wtf
they want tik-tok clout, totally a brain disease cannot be cured.
A cellphone recording is very similar to full body armor in some people's minds.
Because instead of eye witness account they have actual visible proof that this loon should be thrown in jail for the rest of his pathetic life.
I think he was also partly responsible for the way he was hooting and hollering instigating
these kids never had a dose of reality until their friend died and i still don’t think they have the capacity to understand the death of their friend was brought on by their indifference to the human condition.
Do you think that maybe during a physical altercation with aggressive males that maybe its not ok to stab women who are just bystanders?
@@BennettMats If you were attacked and harrassed by a mob accusing you of being a pedo you might attack back.
@@BennettMatsEveryone surrounded him and was aggressive and pushing him around like it was a gang inniatiation. They're lucky most people don't have guns while in the water.
@@wellhellothere9157 Then why did he stab the woman?
@@BennettMats i’m in no way defending the actions of the defendant in any way, take your shit somewhere else man.
Why isn’t the DA impartial? He should tell the whole story and leave it up to the jury to decide, right??
It's an election year maybe? I'm guessing his lawyer will appeal.
This older man was attacked and used self defense.
I love how they can only try to prosecute him using still, silent images because the video speaks for itself.
Straight outta the Binger playbook. Because life happens one frame at a time.
I was thinking the same thing. Why not show the actual video and let the jurors see what happened?
@@RevTox Because the Prosecutors wanna win.
Yep 100% justified. FAFO
That’s because jurors/people are so stupid
Have less friends. You will have less enemies.
Have many friends if you wish to be unsuccessful in life.
Lonely you are 😢
@@440-fishermandrock8and drama free
AMEN ❤❤❤❤
It's "fewer", Einstein.
Bro, that was heartbreaking as hell! Why man, why would you do crap like that?
My grandpa always said the best way to stay healthy is to mind your own fuking business🤷♂️
Gramps sounds like a true LEGGGG. (legend) ❤
@BurnerSckman, okay keyboard warrior tough guy!! Now lets see what you actually do in real life.
@BurnerAckmanWhy are you attracted to violence?
@BurnerAckmanone look at the crime stats? And i immediately believe you!😂😂😂
@BurnerAckmanYou shockingly spelled Brunner syndrome wrong…. Hope for you that you’re trolling
They talk about the people who were attacking that 1 man as if they are innocent little kids just enjoying a river float. They attacked him and they were full size people, under age for drinking but out there with alcohol. I saw the video from the first moments and they were attacking him, he defended himself.
I hate to say it but once they pushed him to the water and started attacking him, his life was in danger. If i were those kids, i would have helped the man if he was looking for his phone.
After the first stabbing, he had multiple opportunities to leave but kept stabbing people
@ashleys5676 I don't know. They kept surrounding him and pushing him.
@@keithsergent2539wait wait wait. I think you are missing some of the story here. You need to learn more before making statements like this. The kids didn't just randomly attack him! He was sexually assaulting the two girls!!
@@SquirtlePower809 haven't heard this yet. Shoot me the link.
@keithsergent2539 I'm running errands right now, but just do some searching and reading up on the sequence of events which have been verified by multiple witnesses and such. He had gone over and messed with the first girl while she was on a tube, and even grabbed her leg. Then he left and came back AGAIN and this time the kids were saying stuff like "leave us alone! You're being creepy! You touched us!" And he was arguing back and whatnot, and then he literally Punched the girl in the face when she called him a pedophile or a creeper (something like that). It was only at this point that the boys got involved and you can see/hear it when the video starts. But even if that WEREN'T the situation, right? Let's say these kids/teens were simply being assholes and bullting this man. How can ANYONE reasonably claim that he was "afraid for his life" to the point that he needed to MURDER THEM ALL!!!? He was a BIG grown dude and all of the teens were quite small and scrawny tbh (don't mean to sound insulting). And none of them were armed or using weapons. There is NO WAY he actually thought he was in any real danger. He was drunk, angry, and violent. That's really the end of it. Fights and such breakout every day right? But people don't MURDER others.
These punks taunted, bullied and surrounded this man. This is clear self defense.
Not to mention pushing him underwater trying to drown him
Why did he have a knife on him ?
@allseeingotto2912 why is the sky blue? Like who tf cares...
@@analogueoverdigital929 It’s pretty relevant to the case 🙄
@@allseeingotto2912Because he can
I just wish to salute the parents who raised such upright and wonderfully behaved kids. All of this could have been avoided if escalation and bad mouthing a senior wasn't done by this mob. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
The prosecutor had to use still frames because the audio of the drunks wouldnt help his case.
The girl wouldn't put her drink down even after being stabbed. No man left behind
You've clearly never been in shock before
@@eve3p0 Does being in shock also apply to the way Nicolae acted afterwards? Keep that same energy.
😂 legends don’t fumble in big games
@@401Impalashock causes you to not feel pain. I don’t know about continuing to stab people who aren’t even touching you?
@@heavenlyb2850 Oh so once multiple people stop attacking you, your brain instantaneously recognizes that and acts accordingly? Gotcha. You must be new to Earth.
The fact that there’s so many people there just casually watching or walking around after multiple teenagers have been stabbed is shocking
The psychology of large groups. Nobody wants to get involved and they just assume someone else will deal with it, although I’m not going to be the first in line to confront a guy with a knife if I’m unarmed.
@@mplslawnguy3389 understandable, it’s just so surprising. You’d like to think when you see people’s lives in danger you’d have the strength and empathy to help in some way. Like there’s literally people bleeding out and trying to hold in their guts, yet no one has the decency to run over there with some real urgency and deescalate the situation. Just sad honestly
@@tristanburgos1 Someone with medical training could have possibly helped if they had some supplies. Tragic regardless. Two lives were lost, victim and stabber. The stabber doesn’t even have a record from what I’ve read. People need to realize that fights can and do end up like this. Cooler heads need to prevail.
@@tristanburgos1 It’s just the nature of group psychology. Most people don’t get involved because we are programmed to put our own safety first. That’s just how our brains work, but there are individuals who ignore that programming and jump in. I’m one of those people. I’ve had to jump in several times, and each time I noticed that people didn’t step up because they either were in shock, didn’t care, or didn’t know how to help. I can’t fault people for not getting involved when they are in shock or don’t know what to do, but I do find it especially sick when people don’t help because they don’t care because without fail these types of people expect everyone else to help them when they need it. Luckily, not everyone is like this. I’ve been in more situations where we were all strangers but everyone played a part to call for help and help those who were injured until help arrived. It all really depends on who is present at the emergency.
Because the old man was in the right.
Guess this is what happens when a group of people attack someone who just so happens to have a knife to defend themselves.
The old fossil could’ve just walked away tbh.
@@davidmurray3049 They could have not surrounded him, threw him down, and punched him in the face. Standing somewhere doesn't justify getting pushed down into the rocky water and punched in the face tbh.
A bunch of tough guys trying to mob on 1 man. Seems like a clear case of self defense.
This should be national news
It is?
Protected race
It was national news when it happened 2 years ago
@@dyfox3856Don't blame the community blame the behavior 😅
Why? Stuff like this happens everyday, people are murdered every single day
Watching the video. I think the man’s innocent. Idk how it started but he didn’t start stabbing anyone until he felt like he was being jumped. And it’s not like he kept stabbing after threats were neutralized. It’s sad that it’s teens but, the old man isn’t at fault.
Totally agree mate !!
The video litterally starts with him charging at them grabbing their things and and pulling their stuff. He was the aggressor and refused to leave when told to leave and then attacked the lady and then started stabbing once they defended themselves. He is fully to blame and should be thrown in jail and the keys thrown away.
Yes the video starts there but there was a lot of build up to the fight. It is not logical for somone good or evil to just decide to attack a crowd of people he/she has no physical advantages over. Plus if he was oit of his mind wanted to murder everyone why he go to a river and stand around and wait for everyone to harrass/attack him. Makes no sense.
@@mandogundam5779 If he was so scared for his life it makes no sense for him to keep harassing and attacking them and then keep stabbing them until 5 people where wounded. It does however makes sense that he arrogantly decided that those kids had stolen his phone and they should do whatever he says and let him abuse and attack them as he pleased and when they stood up to him he lost his mind in rage, pulled his knife and started stabbing instead of walking away. As the video shows. Makes no sense that the kids would tell him to walk away if they wanted to attack him. Makes no sense they left him plenty of room and oportunity to do so, it makes no sense they did not do anything until he got violent. It makes no sense that all they did was push him away as kept attacking him and even when he was viciously stabbing and trying to murder them. Poor kid where stabbed and one murdered because of an old arrogant man got angry and decided they needed to die for questioning him.
@@hostergaard Whil appreciate your input, I think we may have different details or watched a different video each. I am not saying he is totally innocent in his actions, however he was outnumbered, has a major heart condition, and was being accused of a major crime that can take the life away from any man in an instant. Adults have the choice to walk away, but being pushed or even screamed at relentlessly is an assault charge in the here in US, there was a lot of that going on from the teens leading up to the defendants choice to defend himself from further harm. Everyone involved had the option to walk away. But surrounding and harrassing someone because they give off creeper vibes is not ok, its like two wrongs making a right. He could have walked away, they could have called law enforcement and walked away as well. Those teens are not the police and this issue is a big deal because it sets an example that teenagers can get anyome they please thrown in jail, for almost any reason. And if you are in the US like me, that includes us as well, and anybody else that finds themself in a similar situation. I bid you good journey friend.
Maybe the kids shouldn’t of attacked this man as a mob. He did nothing but defend himself. FAFO
Don't start none, won't be none. They attacked this man and got their guts spilled into the river as a result. FAFO is one of those "for the culture" things the kids were chanting as they assaulted him, and they got the full FAFO experience.
As a dad, I hope my kids can recognize dangerous situations getting out of hands. Always put a good distance between you and sketchy people. Sometimes you need to be the voice of reason with your friends too.
The “kids” were the sketchy people. And, they should be charged with battery, as adults.
@@NPCHSNthe problem is the "kids" didn't actually touch Nicolae at all...... The just instigated it by taunting him trying to go viral on TikTok...... The only people to actually touch him were the 5 people in the Carson group. None of these people were kids...... They were all college aged young adults. 4 of the 5 people stabbed were in that group. Only the individual that died was from the group of "kids". The other 4 were Tony, Dante, AJ and Rhylee all being from the second group. The only one of those who didn't assault Nocialae(as far as I can tell) is Tony. AJ(guy who's guts were showing) was literally lunging at Nocialae as he was stabbed. He impaled himself just as much as he was stabbed. The "kids" in this situation never actually touched him in any way. They were laughing and egging it on until they ran away screaming
The kids were sketchy. The man acted in self defense
@@NPCHSNexactly!
Amen
The parents of these kids should be on trial for their bad parenting.
One dad will have to know he failed his son for the rest of his life
@@kolbesmith1175the mother as well
The parents of those kids are Trump supporters and have privileges. same as Trump, crimes don't apply to them rich kids 😥😥
@@amberturdcoloringbook1733 you are full of yourself and have no proof
apparently that's a thing now. a teens parents were found guilty and sentenced to 15 years in prison for their son shooting up a school. the parents got in trouble for their child's crimes.