"Flop After FLOP" Woke Disney Debate With Nerdrotic And The Critical Drinker
As Nelson Peltz’s high-profile battle against Disney comes to a head at the company’s annual shareholder meeting, Piers Morgan Uncensored is joined by KZheadrs Nerdrotic and The Critical Drinker plus commentators Ernest Owens and Esther Krakue to talk about whether Disney has ruined itself with woke-ness.
The panel debate whether diversity has been prioritised over storytelling, discussing films including Black Panther, Barbie and the upcoming musical Joker 2, starring Lady Gaga.
00:00 - Introduction
01:23 - Disney's boardroom battle
10:49 - Esther vs Ernest on Barbie
12:13 - Joker 2: A musical flop?
16:07 - Sydney Sweeney
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Disney used to touch our hearts, now they touch us inappropriately.
Hahaha. Nice one.
😂😢
EXCELLENT!
No they were always touching people inappropriately
Black guy is the kind of guy who'd complain there isn't enough diversity in, say, a period piece set in rural England in the eighteenth century.
Race Grifter. Nothing more
This is why shogun has been so refreshing of a show. No black samurai no lesbian dilemmas just pure authenticity
Most likely was the one that complains Shogun not having black man in it.
@@xenithtech9453
I wonder if he'll complain that there isn't enough diversity in a black family unit, or a in piece of art made in Africa. Not enough white people, you see.
I recently came across a definition for woke films/television: "Woke replaces character with identity, and story with ideology" Brilliant!
I'm gonna use it every time someone asks to define the term 'WOKE'
The only ideology is the racist and sexist ones like you . That’s not the definition of the word
that is absolute poetry. im going to remember that phrase for a long time to come.
Woke is about tags for people who have no freaking idea on how to have character and personality. It´s not easy to say "i´m a recovering alcoholic who turned his life around and is contributing art to the world", as that entails years of insight, hard work and recognizing your own failings. It is easy to say "I´m a bipoc polyamorous non binary apache helicopter" None of those things mean crap but suddenly you have "identity" and a bustling community ready to welcome you and ready to destroy the world alongside you. It is the extremist brain at its best. Can´t evolve? can´t create? can´t become something on my own? I´ll just take it, and play victim when I´m called out for it.
I just took a screenshot of this comment. I will commit it to memory. Thank you for sharing.
Hero meets villain, villain gets the better of hero, hero goes on a journey, meets some friends, maybe falls in love, hero faces off against villain, villain gets defeated, hero prevails! Throw in a few jokes/comic relief characters. It’s literally that easy!!!
It's not that easy. If you are making a story for women they have an aversion to seeing women struggle. It's also why the hallmark channel sucks. The only way you can depict the struggle of a hero is if it is male. Women can accept that, except that's patriarchy or something. So enter Mrs. Marvel and Rey.
Boring. Let’s see something original
@@garrett3726 it’s a kids film, not the Usual Suspects or Memento, it doesn’t need to be complicated.
@@captainahab2485 have fun watching the same movie over and over again I guess
For the most part, my one change is I want more storys of the bad guy winning in the end, I hate the happily ever after crap. It's one sided egotism. Let the villains win sometimes.
Nothing more annoying than seeing a grown man rolling his eyes at every comment for 20 mins like a six year old girl.
Well, he is sort of a girl.
Agreed!!
In his defense when I hear diverse and inclusive people trying to justify their attacks and playing victims when called out I also feel like rolling my eyes all the time.
❤😂😂😂 as my mum used to say , i hope you find your brain back there if you roll your eyes again at me because eye rolls mean you have not got one 😂😂
I thought he identifies as a 6 year old girl.
As a black man, I don't like Earnest's representation of black men on this panel.
I didn't see him as a black man, I saw him as a woke idiot. As a White man reading your comment I'd say you have more in common with me than him
But he's not really a man
He's called Esther "Candace Owens Jr".
@@jonathanyaloussa Ikr, that was petty asf
@@jonathanyaloussato insult her. Funny, how none of this activists can have a polite conversation, and have to insult people, they disagree with
Blackwashing real characters is an absolute audacity and should be legit pointed out as rewriting history. Depictions of Cleopatra, Atilla, Isaac Newton, Anne Boleyn and many more for better ESG score should not be allowed. I would love to see a reaction to Martin Luther King depicted as paraplegic non-binary Asian.
Making biopics about famous people is always terrible, they are always lies, simplifications and even when done very well, like in Lincoln, they leave out very important layers, like the fact Lincoln was an awful racist, just less racist than most at the time. so all depictions are terrible. People need to just understand that their "heroes" are fake characters in the first place, and a person with any basic historical backgrounds finds movie depictions of any single human as disgusting. Therefore they should have no problem with any other inaccuracies placed on a famous person, because the movie is itself fake. That is why they should be fantasy, or at best metaphor for a fake representation we have been sold of a famous persons life.
@@user-tp4ii6hs3l that's... childish. Look at this: "Lincoln was an awful racist, just less racist than most at the time". This is a reaction of a young child that just figured out what momma and dadda do when they say they're "wrestling" and thinks it's "icky". It's like "I had 5l of copium and I STILL can't deal with the fact people are HUMAN". While movies aren't meant to be taken as documentaries; they ARE meant to depict someone's life with a "best foot forward" mentality because this is HELPFUL to the society; this shows us what heroes are and teaches us - no, compels us - to possibly emulate this. Lincoln didn't have to abolish slavery, has that ever occurred to your childish mind? They could've done like the arabs did at the time; castrated the slaves to keep them docile and the population under control; and we could've had that society today. The ONLY reason we have a free society is because these "awfully racist" people decided slavery was wrong. Churchill, the awful rude narcissistic drunk, didn't HAVE to stand up to the 3rd Reich, he could've joined and we could've had the Third Reich now. Tesla, the introverted insaniac with debilitating OCD didn't HAVE to invent all of the awesome stuff that built our civilization, but he did. Einstein, the dude who married his own cousin, didn't HAVE to give us a revolution in physics, but he DID. You're not ENTITLED to heroes, you GOT them because they *wanted to make the world a better place*. Have you ever wondered what being a hero even means? It's not "being perfect, virtuous and godlike in every way", that what a little undeveloped baby would think. Being a hero means "going out of your way to do the right thing in spite the difficulties and your own flaws". Biopics are meant to inspire. And why is it necessary to be correct about the VERY PERSON? Because nations they belong to are inspired by that person and they DO NOT get to have that inspiration taken away. AMERICA abolished slavery first. AMERICA. Lincoln was a white American. You do not GET to depict him as a Japanese trans woman, because Japanese trans women don't GET to take that away from America. Just like Tesla was a Serbian man, and you do not GET TO take that away from Serbia by depicting him as a mongolian lesbian. Now, I understand it's very painful to hear this, especially if you're young. Today's young people can't suffer to be inspired, because they absolutely refuse to be exposed to any incentive to better themselves. They created a "fat acceptance" movement to not ever have to lose weight, they claim mental illness to not have to study, and percieving all the heroes as worthless scumm is a part of that. Because if Lincoln was an awful racist who did nothing worth any mention, and might as well be replaced by a Fillippino grandma, then you can feel great about doing nothing worth while yourself. We get it. We despise it, but we get it.
>Diverse Movie >Black Panther >All Black Cast >Diverse Movie
Reminds me of a Victorias Secret ad some years back. The ad in question had about 10 female models in it, all of whom were black. The title of the ad? "This is what diversity looks like" lol
Except it wasn't a all black cast. I don't think I've ever seen a movie that was 100% black cast.
That was a terrible film. Had black women tripping. They loved how they made that chick who was a traitor, bow down to his wife. And he was in the right. She should have been kissing his ass.
@@sjgaiters9843it was praised for female superiority and makes the king of wakanda a cuck.
@@sjgaiters9843no one’s asking you to enjoy a movie that they enjoyed. if you’re sceptical that someone else liked a film as much as they say they did, just because it had lots of black people in it, who does that reflect badly on?
The black dude is a huge part of the problem - avoid the topic, spin things emotionally, feign ignorance on what’s happening in front of everyone’s eyes, pretend that exceptions to the rule discredit the rule, gloss over the laziness of the entire subject
Hopefully Piers never has him on again.
I am leaving this feed because of him. Bye
They're always part of the problem.
Yea well he’s the problem. Black, gay and a narcissist.
That guy is a supreme fruit. Definitely orders salads at McDonalds.
I’m here for Nerdrotic and Critical Drinker. Shout out for the Fellowship.
Hail the 199
Hail!
All hail The Fellowship and The 199! 🙌
Hail!!!
They are the only reason I watched this clip
The Barbie movie was a good example. I put that on for my 5 year old daughter and she was baffled by what she was watching. I had to explain that this movie about a freaking plastic toy you like to play with isn't actually for you. It's for adults to express ideas that you don't understand.
This comment hit me hard. Man, the truth is brutal.
Damn, drinker and Nerd smashed this dude. Great interview thank you Piers for hosting.
No they didn't
Hulk masculine smashed
This Ernest guy is way out of his depth. He's saying the same mainstream talking points that have been getting shot down for years
The fact that he can sit there and say with a straight face that “people want to watch diverse films” while literally almost every diverse show and movie has been a monumental failure. What a joke.
but...but.... black panther!!..... lol
@@flee4urlives Yeah. His one singular example from 6 years ago really knocked it out of the park
I agree, but kudos to Ernest for having the courage to walk into the lion's den. Personally, I'd have preferred one vs one rather than three vs one.
@@blewidescorpio And "Black Panther" was created by two straight, White Jewish men.
Of course the guy who wrote a book titled, "The Case for Cancel Culture" would say there is no culture war.
He is a Useful Idiot. Fodder for the commie machine.
@@andrewthomas695 Not really, he's just there to promote his book mate. Literally right there behind him.
It's like all zealots of any group; no matter how much the system does what they want, it never goes far enough. Eg Communists: "real communism has never been tried."
People like that have a 3-step argumentation algorithm that they always follow when they're called out on their agenda: 1."It's not happening." 2. "It is happening but it's not a big deal". 3. "It's a good thing that it's happening".
They gaslight 24/7
When Esther said she hates all musicals I fell in love faster than I ever have with anyone ever
ABSOLUTELY.. I CANT STAND MUSICALS.. I used to watch Nelson EDDY and Janette McDonald movies because they are classics but can’t stand musicals now.. YUCK!!
Yeah I absolutely hate musicals! Unless they're hilarious like Team America.
I liked The Greatest Showman.
I know I love watching plays but now it seems all plays have to be a musical comedy.
@@PiousMoltarthe best musicals ever are the South park movie, team America world police and apparently in the theater the Book of Mormon is brilliant too.
4:52 I love when Piers called him out when he was rolling his eyes
The black guy on the end says, "People want diverse films." No, they don't. Most people want good films, that appeal to their interests, and they're happy for some of those films to be diverse, if it makes sense for the story. There's a huge difference there. Nobody is entertained by diversity itself.
Heck I wanted to be Superman as a child! I was a teeny tiny little Black girl. I coud not look any less like Christopher Reeves. Yet it did not matter at all, I could relate to the point of wanting to be HIM.
Exactly right there I’m like oh they want to make a movie about say a black samurai and the story was amazing and didn’t go oh I’m black and these people hate me or something then alright but they can’t make a good diverse movie because they want to treat them like they are victims and you need to feel bad for them.
This is the one. “Nobody is entertained by diversity itself” This is the comment that sums ALL of this up.
Exactly. Only a tiny, narcissistic, racist and delusional portion of the audience actually go to movies to see “diversity” (i.e no white men). The rest of us just want good movies with engaging characters and writing. I couldn’t care less what race or gender the actors are as long as they’re well written and I’m not being preached to for 2 hrs.
I am not a huge movie guy (have not seen many movies or shows lately i want to watch) but unless its a documentary or something, I want to watch a film or show its to escape from reality. I dont want to be preached at, I want to be entertained
Why am I not surprised that the person advocating for "diversity " is the one slinging race based insults..
When did he do that?
@@OnePiece-yb2le Presumably when he called Esther "Candance Owens Junior" just because she's a black woman he disagrees with.
@@kazjoy40 Also because he pushes CRT. CRT is Marxist and Marxists are and have always been racists
Funniest thing this dude said was: "It's not a culture war." when he literally has a book behind him that says: "The case for cancel culture.". This dude is a walking caricature. 😆
@kazjoy40 bro I don't agree with his points but that's a pretty decent jab ngl 😂
Last time I saw something Disney was in Obi Wan, they switched the focus to that black woman Reva. The character was super unlikable and unnecessary. Just imagine having an opportunity to go deeper into the Obi Wan and Vader relation, only to spoil it like that
Drinker nailed it in the first 2 minutes: poor storytelling and quantity over quality are contributing at least as much to floppiness.
At least as much? That’s the only reason these movies have been failures. Stop trying to create some kind of DEI conspiracy. The movies and shows are just bad, it has nothing to do with inclusion.
Thats exactly it. Forming the argument solely around "wokeism" is a critical flaw.
@@MarcoBarroca That is pure ignorance and partisanship. To say that DEI has nothing to do with it is as blind and ignorant as one can be. All the changes to the MCU to make it estrogen centric is contrary to the source material. The Inclusion of Rey and Fin were forced in just to have inclusion. And on and on and on. But carry on SJW, plenty of windmills out there that offend only you and your whackadoodle cadre that you can tilt against.
As a Latino I’ve never looked at a movie and thought to myself, “hey, there’s no latinos in this film! Well, i certainly will not watch it because they’re not representing me in the movie.” The idea that EVERY movie needs to have diversity and representation is pathetically stupid. Just give us a good story with good acting. That’s all!!!!
As a fellow Latino-Same! And Amen! 👏
I don't really get it either, but I've heard that a study was done that found boys can see themselves in characters based on characteristics and girls need characters that look like them in order to relate to them. Probably why you see so many similarities in the characters LucasFilms pushes anymore.
As a Matronly white woman who is addicted to Telenovelas, I fully agree. I will never be as attractive as those latinas, nor could I come near their acting chops. I don't care if I can "see myself", I want to see their lives.
@@geneanthony3421it’s sad our society hates boys and men so much.
i mean im cajun...so no film has my people in it damn near....but even if we go for my "white" side...plenty of films ive watched with 0 white actors. its almost like people watch films for reasons other than what races/genders are represented....
The fact that everyone is binge watching all the movies and shows from the 80, 90 and early 2000's instead of the current crap should maybe raise a flag🤷🏼♀️
V for vendetta is nearly 20 years old And brillant
Hahaha you too eh?
EXACTLY
Yup I refuse to watch any of the movies of today. Maybe 1 or 2. Gorilla was good
I even went back to the 70s. Watching Alias Smith & Jones with my 10 year old, who loves it!
I went from a die hard, no holds barred Disney fan to dropping them cold turkey the second that leaked Disney executive virtual meeting video dropped online. That video very explicitly framed exactly what Disney sets out to do...Disney gave every single long time fan of conservative family values (from now what we consider old school Disney), a huge, unapologetic middle finger.
I canceled Disney+ when they had a cartoon telling my daughter how to use a tampon and while shopping for tampons, a man in the grocery aisle pretending to be a woman asked about the tampons. I called Disney to complain and they didn’t call me back.
got it backwards, is a woman pretending to be a man
I believe in this particular case. It's a woman pretending to be a man. Because only women can have periods. It's women who pretend to be men like Ellen page that push this nonsense
Okay.I'm no fan of Disney, but to be fair.That has nothing to do with them
It’s their product…. How does it not have to do with them?
@@dudebro91-fn7rz confused. What do you mean? the tampon thing is a cartoon ... like, as in,, a show for children with a transvestite asking about how to get cheap tampons.
All that dude on the right did was call people names and rolled his eyes like a child the entire time.
He's exactly the type of person Disney hires.
it's all leftists do.
He’s a blackdem what’d you expect him to do?
Social media got people too comfortable being disrespectful. But they forget in real life people can reach over and hurt you. But in this case, they are not in the same room.
Typical leftist And the g leftist are even words
That whole last part about Sydney Sweeney really just sums it all up nicely. The three other guests joking, laughing, being light-hearted. Meanwhile, the sourpuss DEI-loving dude on the right pursing his lips and just waiting for his chance to suck all the fun out of the room. That's life in 2024 right there.
strangely it remain me the people in demolition man....
Sydney Sweeney is a Goddess that will destroy woke Hollywood ❤🔥🔥🔥🔥🖕
I found it funny to see the contrast between Esther and Ernest when they were talking about boobs. She was smiling and sometimes outright laughing, while he was all uptight and seeming unconfortable. Ha!
@@Doutsoldome Puritanism: The haunting fear, that someone, somewhere may be having a good time. H.L. Mencken.
And the conclusion was the same, the common folk just having fun and the activist looking bad and cooked.
Earnest completely misses every point that has been made... Perfect example of how much Disney understands it's audience.
I disagree it seems like neurotic and others don't understand because they complain about woke so much
This was the ultimate cross over we needed
I promise you this, if they had cast the main role in black panther to a white guy, the guy on the right would be the loudest voice shouting racism from the rooftops.
Fr he is beyond saving all of the woketatds are
I'm sorry, but that's racist bait. If you want to beat them at their own game, you have to play their rules. So, let me fix that for you: "If they had cast the main role in Black Panther to an Asian guy..." No, wait... Let's really show what the issue is... "If they had cast the main role in Black Panther to a Egyptian guy..."
My thoughts exactly. The film did well because they cast the correct people for the job. Which is now lost in woke madness. It really saddens me that we have people this insane on the planet
And Chadwick Boseman was awesome and a terrific human being, id be real surprised if he was a black racist in real life...
Many of us liked the first Black Panther, then we got Shuri, and DEI pushed like usual. It is what it is.
Never listen to someone who rolls their eyes every 10 seconds and starts their dialogue with "misinformation"
Irritating and smug. Ernest is a smug, self righteous twit.
Especially when they look and sound like a stereotype. Like, that’s the exaggeration of a guy we’ll use for a strawman joke, and here he is, in the flesh!
@@alexman378 you're literally a bigot
Yep, STRAIGHT to the Buzzwords.. Was surprised when he said "fighting against woke is advocating for all white" that he didnt just say WHITE SUPREMECY.. (its clearly what hes gettng at). But didn't fail us by hesitating to throw out the "Misogyny" accusations..
His basic is argument is people love fresh, different, and original. He is right. But he ( intentionally ) left out the new IP. Things are, Disney aren't creating new IP. They're milking on established IPs, and that's bad, because ( I can also tell him the same way that I can represent "the people" as much as he claimed ) the people don't want fresh new classics. And not to mention no classics based movies can be considered as "original."
That Ernest guy is just...insert Garrison alert gif from South Park🤦
Perfect
Is it just me, or does Ernest seem to carry a ‘my way or the highway’ attitude in the discussions? It feels like he’s not very open to considering other perspectives, almost as if he’s already decided he has all the answers. What do you guys think? Does this approach add to the debate, or does it limit the scope of the conversation?
So nice of Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic to have Piers and Esther on their show!
😊
Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic are so nice to let this new comer, Piers, host this meeting.
I was gonna say. Where’s Mauler? I thought this was Open Bar
Get AZ in there "F**KING PRONOUNS!" 🤣
Lol
Nerdrotic and the Critical Drinker should be regulars. They're fucking awesome!! ❤
+1
I second the motion .
I third that motion!
100% both have great channels too
HAIL! To The Fellowship.
These two should be a regular entertainment segment
Plus Eshter.
"Change the title of your book" - That got me good.
Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic might be two of the best guests you could have snagged, and Esther is always a treat. Grazie, Piers.
Drinker has been my guide to what is worth watching or avoiding for years.
@@Minotaur-ey2lgdon't forget Mauler, Rags and Fringy from EFAP!
Make America great again, vote for Sidney Sweeney's breasts
@@CMCAdvancedthey liked god of war ragnarok so it’s kinda funny 😂
@@CMCAdvanced Drinker and Garry have class, which is why they are the main in the group. Others can be fun, but they lack the range these two have. It is nothing against them, but it is simply the reason why Drinker and Garry have channels that are that large and why they are seen as the leaders of the crew.
Ernest encapsulates the Hollywood bubble. 'People want to watch diverse films'. They genuinely think that, despite all the evidence that says otherwise
He doesn’t even watch films you can tell
When every single movie is trying to be diverse than none are really being unique are they
No we dont..we just want to watch a good film with a good story regardless of the cast..human or animals.. real life or cartoon....
Diversity just means more mediocrity.
We do want diverse films, the makers just misunderstand what we mean by diverse. They think diversity just means sexual orientation and skin color.
what a fun interview! GG
Even the guy on the end wanted to laugh at south park he tried to hold in 😂😂😂😂 its literally cracking me up i keep rewarching it
PUT A CHICK IN IT AND MAKE HER LAME AND GAY!
Literally? Oh god.
@@TheGruspastej yes watch the clip I'm talking about it is so funny
If that gay dude's game plan was to come on and sell his book, he failed miserably. If anything it makes me not ever want to know what he thinks on anything
He wants to touch your knife.
I'm just surprised how thick his book is.
@@Jaze2022lots of paper to wipe you backside with.
@@gregwilson8503 It will make great kindling during the apocalypse
@@Jaze2022Probably written is geriatric type font.
Wow. This Ernest guy is not arguing in good faith, at all. The reason Black Panther was successful is because they stuck to the actual story of Black Panther. Viewers don't care what color actors are. They care about a good story.
Naa. Black panther did well because Disney managed to make its marketing material appear more as a “call to action” than just a trailer and a red carpet event, and all mere weeks before the commercial pinnacle of Marvel in cinema.
@@realistic_delinquent Uh, no. To gross over a billion dollars, people have to recommend the movie to their friends. Black Panther was a certified smash hit movie.
Black Panther being black was absolutely a big thing for US Blacks.
@@deriznohappehquitewe know we know lol y’all think wakanda is a real place😂 wakanda forever yaw 🥴 the world thinks that shit is so funny
Black Panther was entertaining if you take your brain out first. Doesn't stand up to scrutiny: Genius Children. Enlightened 🤣 fight to the death and live in cave culture..Eh? How did all this happen?...'magic metal' 🤔 Eh??!🤕 Trained rhinos with armour....ok🙊🙈🙉 Super flying craft?...' I SAID...MAGIC METAL!!!'😵
I found myself turning on top gun Maverick three times this week and it wasn’t when I was vacuuming. Then found myself watching the original top gun and then once again, top gun Maverick. Decent stories with decent character development and well paced action. Most importantly, no messaging.
An attack on our Heroic Narratives and Archetypes is an attack on our MINDS
History is still history, not that deep
The gay guy not liking boobs... SHOCKER!
he is a boob.
He hates women, and all that comes with it
Well, I mean, look at him… Of course he doesn’t, he’s more of a “driving stick” kind of dude.
It’s funny you say that. Gay men LOVE boobs. I’m actually one of the few gay men who do not like boobs lol. They just love boobs in a different way I guess 😂
@@alexman378 Of course that's only stick he probably knows how to drive. I don't see him being the kind of guy who can drive any other kinds of sticks.
One question for Ernest: how is a majority black cast diverse but a majority white cast isn't? Me thinks that's very racist. No one can have a real discussion with him- it's all race or s*x. Men admiring beautiful women is not mysogonist. It is indeed a culture war...and he seems quite happy to insult and attack people different from him. It's also extremely difficult to take an adult seriously who makes all those goofy faces when other people talk. Esther: they went beyond preaching to attacking their audience and targeting families and kids. I was a big Disney fan, I walked away and will not return to their products again. I'm just one person but millions of others feel the same- they walked too. Drinker and Nerdrotic, you keep earning my respect. Glad you're speaking up!
Whites are the single most diverse race there is, we come in all colors shapes and sizes. Blacks are just black😂
It's hard to take adults seriously who get mad over movies for kids but here you are I guess
@@SedonacityslickerWhy on earth would you not? I grew up with Star Wars and Marvel comics. I was mad for a long time that all this time and money had been sunk into ruining something I loved. Now I’m just done, the old stuff is the only stuff. And I don’t think I’m alone given box office receipts and viewing numbers.
@@Sedonacityslickerbecause the stories and lessons you choose to tell your children matters. The quality of storytelling matters. It’s why Children’s television has certain restrictions and requirements like limited advertising.
@@almathwasmywowusername9529 Or maybe you just got older but you don’t want to except it?
Earnest is so out of touch and uptight. Everyone else is engaging with the conversation and laughing and he looks like his eyes will burst out of his skull every time a joke is made
BS
that was such a good episode. i really loved it
Curiosity killed the cat Diversity killed the mouse
Awesome 👍🏻
BlackRock killed Hollywood.
The mouse pushed for killing their future customers..
this is very very good well done!
Best comment
The second he said “misinformation” my eyes and ears shut off.
yeah I sighed and rolled my eyes
Disney and Pixar don't care about DEI and will let this keep going. It will not even kill the industry. Blackrock fund this with out taxes lol they get paid before the movies even hit the box offices now due to DEI incentives. The entire country now runs like this.
Well I'd have to agree that there is a great deal of "misinformation" being thrown around these woods, hence the irony. Piers Morgan on one side and the gay black man on the opposite both drinking from the same trough of deceit.
This is a very funny comment, and probably not for the reasons that you think.
"Don't believe your eyes, believe my lies"
Interesting debate, good choice of speakers for the individual positions, but alas, as so often the whole thing falls short. In the end there is no middle ground, no compromise and some parties are thinking in extremes, some are missing the point.
Well, yah just got another "sub"...To keep it, more of Drinker, Nerd and Esther please ;)
Everyone forgets that Blade was one of the first Marvel movies, and nobody cared that he was black. At least, it wasn't the main attention, but when Black Panther came out, it was supposedly it was the first black superhero movie, and everyone went out in drones to see it only for that reason. Movies were always diverse it just wasn't the main focus.
First Black panther, Captain Marvel only did well because of Infinity War/Endgame, being so for the connective tissue in all movies.
Plus, Black Panther recycled the plot from Lion King, it wasn't a flop because it had decent writing, they stole their writing from an already popular source. Also, if you set your movie in Africa it makes sense to have a black cast because the majority of people in Africa are black. That isn't true of the western world. A mild amount of DEI + good writing can work, heavy handed DEI + preaching doesn't.... :)
Movies in the F/SF/H genres have been woke since the late 1960s. Earnest is one of those who has no clue about the actual facts of genre fiction.
@@EveryoneWhoUsesThisTVAnd Lion King is copied from Hamlet.
@dinosaurwoman I wouldn't consider it "woke." imo woke is forced.
Anyone else notice how the "diversity advocate" wouldn't raise his voice to the other men but he raised his voice to the only woman there. He also called her a name in an attempt to put her down. Very telling.
Cause even with one woman on the panel he still lacked the testosterone to fight against the other men. Literal definition of emasculated.
And its a black woman on top of that. The "diversity advocate" is racist
Indeed I noticed.
Hes gay
Yup.
Disney has made so many woke movies that even if they focused on a really good story. Nobody will go see it because we have to assume it’s going to be as bad as the others.
total bull crap we don't have to assume anything
Impatience is rewarded now, thanks Piers!!!! Give it a few year and things change, once companies start losing money, they pivot.
we are SICK of woke garbage!!!!!
define it!
Amen!
@@timatotoro Take a moment and review your thoughts on life. You'll have your definition.
@@timatotoro I'll define it.. Woke used to have a different meaning of someone who is awake (aka woke) to societal issues, but the word has become an umbrella term for all left ideological idenity politics and their negative aspects. So now that someone gave you a definition as you asked, what was your point?
@@timatotorobut beyond definitions, wokery is a racist, sexist, anti-family, anti-logic, alti-scientific insane trash that seeks to destroy the 2500 year old western European civilization. There is no saving grace for what "woke" actually stands for
The dude on the right has no class, no manners, no respect.
In other words he disagrees with you.
@@e13kid Did you just "womansplained" what the comment was about? Smooth brain.
He’s a sassy queen. Can’t be told anything.
@@Okovburkan I find it funny how people can’t just accept others disagree with them. Got to have ridiculous insults when he was perfectly fine. Why do you hate free speech so much?
@@e13kidYeah nothing to do with free speech, more to do with an overwhelming (silent) majority of people who are sick and tired of this woke liberal hogwash mental-disorder type of hivemind think who are ready to very aggressively push back on the ideology so society can go back to how it was 15 or so years ago when logic prevailed over the feelings of minorities, good movies could be made and enjoyed by all, and movies like The Lord of The Rings could be properly made the only right way, with an all white cast, as opposed to the Rings of Woke with black Elves and Dwarves etc. All of the above. The world has lost its mind and we are tired and ready to forcibly revert all aspects of life to how things used to be, FAR better than it is today. The Ernest guy on the right is the epitome of everything wrong in the world and we want people like that to have no power and be condemned to the shadows without a voice, if you want to know the truth :). This is what happens when the weak push this trash on the strong for too long.
I'm like "Bobby? There were 47 animated films on a guy named Bobby?.... OH! BARBIE!" - me and other Americans ;)
"Im a Bobby girl, in a Bobby world!" lol
Stop hiring the best colours and start hiring the best actors and writers.
Ernest is either dangerously ignorant or ferociously disingenuous. His constant interrupting, name-calling, & lack of basic manners insists that Ernest is a pathetic waste of oxygen. Ester is such a contrast with her clear concise points and a wealth of sincerity. Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic were on point as expected.
Resorting to calling the lady “Candace Owen’s Jr” early in the segment immediately discredited his point of view on anything further. Dude proved he is nothing but a childish shill for the DEI camp.
"either dangerously ignorant or ferociously disingenuous." He seemed like a whole lot of both.
Or option 3. Both.
He is an agent of the matrix
what do you expct from someone thats
I’m so sick of Hollywood destroying my favourite movies and franchises
Shut up
You’re not the only one who thinks that way
Use your brain for a sec, how can Hollywood destroy anything when it barely even exists any more? It's been killed off since the me2 movement and the writer strikes, even if it wasn't, you destroy your own movies for yourselves by buying into the outrage content grift that people like nerd and critical put out there. Why do you think they hardly ever talk about things that they think are good?
Maybe they need to come up with new ideas instead of trotting out the same old intellectual properties.
Aren't we all?
That Earnest guy seems not to be aware of Wesley Snipes' Blade 1 and 2...
AWESOME!!! That Southpark reference!
"Here comes the gay couple!" is my reaction every time I attempt to watch a new dramatic series. I turn it off and don't bother.
Why does it upset you so much? Gay couples do exist, why shouldn't they be included?
@@dougdougwbecause it’s overrepresented and shoved down our throats. I don’t even like overly long sex scenes between straight couples. If it doesn’t add anything to the story then leave it out.
@@WSW0424The last of Us 🤌
Yeap as soon as I see the 3% of the population extremely over represented, I took turn it...I'm straight I don't enjoy it...I don't care what people do I just don't find it pleasurable to spend my time or money on...
@@dougdougw Because it's usually not "two characters that happen to be gay" but "two gays that might also be characters beyond that, but often aren't." There's a difference. Take a look at "The Old Guard" for a movie that, imho, does representation (gays, arabs, blacks, women) pretty well in their main cast.
You must also take into consideration how they treated Johnny Depp. They found him guilty without any evidence and have never apologised when a trial found him innocent.
That's because "the justice system is corrupt and part of the patriarchy!" It's not that they were wrong, that certainly couldn't happen. After all, we have to believe all women.
Aye. So much is happening as if they hope we ignore the past.
And now they have gender swapped jack sparrow 🤭🥴
As much as I sided with Depp - both him and Heard were proven to have lied at various points in their trial. And he did lose that trial in England. Where as he won the trial in the US. So his employer is free to make whatever decision they want on that
Same with That 70s show actor. In his second trial.
The basic alogrithm is "Load source material. If it's a man, make it a woman. if it's a woman, make it a man. if rnd() 240, invert. Delete whitespace. Delete soul."
I would love to see a debate about the controversy of the videogame Stellar Blade they would have a blast with that one.
"Back by popular demand." We demand more Nerdrotic and Critical Drinker.
Black by popular demand? I’ll get my coat.
If Drinker and Nerdrotic become regulars on Piers Morgan, I'd be so happy
Good chance they will, they speak for most of us, in a world where common sense is lacking.
Same!
This episode was incredibly boring to me
I loved this. Wish it was longer
Love how the one guy has his book facing the camera lol
"They have activists instead of filmmakers", Esther said exactly what the whole problem is about.
you wish sjw movie hash tags was activism ya goof
Im glad Ernest is on the panel because he just exposes how utterly delusional his side of the argument is... I'm glad the rest of them can apply common sense without personal bias
Common sense without personal bias. Bingo!
whenever a friend of mine tells me that people like Earnest don’t exist I can point to this video.
Disagree with that entirely I'm glad there's somebody that's not part of the anti-woke group complaining about walk all the time it's not a good business strategy eventually people are starting to get sick of it
@@animezilla4486 There is nothing positive about woke culture...Literally look at the results. Bad business is associating yourself with that mind virus. For example - Bud Light and their trans campaign, Disney and their Marvel flops (through trying to push a feminist agenda), etc, etc. Results don't favour your commentary
@@animezilla4486 Nobody gets sick of hating on woke crap. It is insufferable beyond measure...
The way they pushed Diversitry only makes the worldwide audiences hate it.
Facts. Man I want a character that becomes great through actions that not everyone will do. Everyone is born a certain sec and color, with their own preference. You never need to strive to become any of that since your like that by default. Before this whole culture war, not a single soil cared about sex, color, or preference. They cared if there were no actual characters.
Black panther wasn't successful because of the diversity of its cast, it was just a really great movie 5:38
Piers getting fired and starting his youtube career was the best thing that ever happened to journalism.
Agreed. As much as I disagree with him on a lot of topics. He is definitely very entertaining to watch. Always good debates.
If you like your journalism with a hefty dose of bias agenda, sure.
@@conflictdiamonds unbiased journalism? are you ok in the head?
Best thing to come out of the uk in years
@@conflictdiamondslet me guess you think all of the liberal news organizations are unbiased🤡
Notice how the only person who threw insults around was the Disney representative when he called Ester, Candace Owens Junior. The party of love and acceptance.
Yep
So you think that it's an insult to call someone a "Candace Owens". I agree👍
@@iridescentraindropsthe douchebag who said it meant it as an insult genius
@@iridescentraindrops He meant it as an insult. As did you.
Lol! I wasn't sure I heard that right, but he did say that, didn't he? Lol!
Omg I love these guys I watch nerdrotic and the critical drinker all the time. Also they put up a DEI poster at work I wanna tear down so badly
What an awesome segment.
As someone from the 90s why are people acting like there havent already been thousands of excellent "Diverse" actors already.
Because that would go against their ideology, so it has to be ignored.
Because obviously there has never been any black actors ever in the history of movie making, and it’s about time that changed. Sounds stupid, right? But that’s their logic.
Because that happened naturally, this shit today is forced
Exactly. These people are creating problems that don't exist.
When I was kid in the 90s my favorite actors were Wesley Snipes, Jackey Chan, Eddie Murphy, Jet Li, Chris Tucker... I even liked that silly superhero movie with Shaq. Nobody made any fuss about them being black or asian. Suddenly Disney wants to act like it's some breakthrough that they put a black man in front of camera and you're raYcis' if you don't like the movie.
"Nobody wants to watch something that is preachy and boring."
That's a really unfortunate sign in the top left of drinkers cam throughout this whole talk 😂
Never thought I’d live in a world where the Critical Drinker would appear on Piers Morgan
"Putting misogyny aside" says Mr Rolling-my-eyes to a genuine compliment. After he went out of his way to talk over a pretty black woman explaining her personal experience of Barbie. Seems someone got their talking point cards all mixed up . The only misogynist on that panel was the Pillsbury dough boy who hates women as part of his chosen identity.
so according to his logic if he sees a hot good looking muscular guy that he fancies well that makes him a misandrist. nothing wrong with a straight guy liking a straight woman. its an attack on straight people by a minority of sexual defuncts who have no idea what it is to be straight. Its just hate
agreed
She is gorgeous!!
That's a guy? Man, I have no idea about this stuff any more.
Pretty?
Did this guy seriously call the black woman Candace Owen Jr? For someone who claims to care about diversity, he sure was willing to put black women in a box.
Why is that surprising? Just think of all of the slurs that leftist blacks have for free thinking blacks who hold other positions.
They're not about diversity. That's the problem, people keep thinking that woke is about diversity, it's not. It is a racist ideology hell Bent on destroying society. If they were really worried about diversity, they wouldn't have fired Gina carano, And isn't it funny that every diverse character is always woke, we have diverse characters that can be conservative too, but they never use those, they always use the far liberal lefts
Only if they step out of line, clearly. He knows what's best for them!
He said later in the interview and I quote... Misogyny aside 😂
They don't care about diversity, they really don't. That's why Disney should get sued. If they actually cared about diversity, why is it always people who are woke are the ones representing diversity?
Thank you for having on Nerdrotic and the Critical Drinker! Definite titans! But GOD I can't STAND people with books coming on to give views, because they are ALWAYS pushing their book view and can't change until they write a new one. He was SO OUT OF TOUCH with REALITY!
for a subject matter that usually ends in someone being cancelled, that was remarkably fun.
The absolute ear to ear beaming grin on Drinker when we cut back from Piers actually playing the South Park clip has me in tears. What a beautiful moment.
Piers and drinker will cry of that learn about fate series Leonardo da Vinci is a petite woman King Arthur is a teenage blonge girl Nobunaga is a japanese girl Giles de rais is a blue haired guy Alexander the great is an African I can just many more . 😂😂😂 Imagine the panic drinker will have 😂
Noticed how the only person not laughing is the also the only one denying there is a problem? You can't even have a conversation with them.
So awesome to see Drinker and Nerdrotic on here again! Would love to see Esther on one of their streams at some point
Yeah Eksu-rei... Ghurrrlll... needs to get Esther on FNT. Think she'll fit right in. Will also add more "representation" backup for Rippa
Fuck yes! I'd LOVE to see her on FNT! The gang and the audience will love her. She's smart, she's gorgeous and she has great takes!
@@iandrewtvGundam was just on FNT, that boy isn't white. Week before they had Clifton Duncan, defo not white either. Garry just doesn't make FNT a box ticking exercise.
@@Tripnotik25 Never said it was (box ticking). We need more people with a f**king sense of humor, is all I'm saying. She definitely seems to "get it".
@@MediaManPower although… has she met Ryan yet?! 😅🤐
So hard to hear each of there arguments , x5 conversations talking over each other , mind blown
I'm so glad to be watching a video on this. I've noticed an alarming drop in quality in the Disney Star Wars content in the past 18-24 months, with increase in quantity of poor storytelling content. I thought I was in the minority in my observation, but now I see the numbers show it at the box office. It was upseting to me some 18 months ago, but now I don't care anymore, they should reap what they saw. It's sad because I was a big SW fan. I used to be a huge fan of Pixar. But now I don't know wtf, seriously. I think it was their GREED that killed their profit, it's that simple. They take a great premise, they create a great number of content from it, with very little proper research that quality content needs. But instead they focus on quantity and scale, adding in as much identity politics in like theyre adding chilli in a dish, thinking it will bring them profit, but it wont. Content can't ne just quick and shallow copy paste and tape it all together. PS: The comments about breasts were so gross and sexist. Yeah, let's objectify women and cheapen our entire point. smh
Ernest has it wrong, the opposite of DEI isn't "all-white" it's meritocracy. The one true standard for greatness that always works. DEI is just another type of racism. As a side note, it's interesting to see Drinker and Nerdrotic slowly getting better at these appearances and getting more as a result, love seeing them!
Even if the opposite of DEI was all white films so what? Why can’t whites have their owns things in their own countries?
Meritocracy where the merit is money making, not "art" making.
As always, leftists demonstrate their bigotry of low expectations. His attitude basically shows that he thinks ""Diverse" people cannot compete in a meritocracy"
@@dirdib69 And how does a movie make money? Oh yeah...
Division, Exclusivity, Idiocracy: DEI. Ernest has the exact same traits as all of 'em, like the main 2: *self-contradiction* and *, hypocrisy* - the dumb fool stated that "the alternative to lack of diversity is a lack of diversity, and all-white blablabla" Slip of the tongue?..🤔 Naah, I'm staying with *slip of the MIND😂*
No more Disney for me - ever.
Just watch the ones that are good and don't watch the ones that are trash, simple. If Marvel ever decides to make a good movie again, I'll go watch it. Maybe Deadpool 3 will be good.
I'll still watch the old classics but I'll find free streams or downloads of them. I'll never spend another cent to line that woke joke of a shitty company's pockets.
I'll still watch the old classics but I'll find free streams or downloads of them. I'll never spend another cent to line that woke joke of a shitty company's pockets.
I say a pleasant AMEN to this! 🙏🏼
❤
I love when they all speak at the same time! thats when the fun begins!
Has anyone else noticed how often Ernest looks off to the side? I’m genuinely curious what’s catching his attention! Maybe he’s checking out some extra notes or there’s something interesting off-camera. Any theories?
I never understood when people label, paraphrasing, "You're pretty" as misogynistic. How is that hateful? They're saying they like the person. That's not hate, that's appreciation.
A comic page have been making its way around the internet for a year or so about if women complimented men the same way they do women. If men hear a compliment from a woman and believe it genuine then they're walking on clouds for the rest of the day.
The meaning is literally flipped backwards... and its because most people who think that would be misogynistic are backwards.
If you go back and watch him he barely smiles at all and never laughs. People like him are they thing they claim to be fighting, he is hateful, he is miserable, he wants everyone to be like him, to remove joy and beauty from the world. Its why post modernist art looks like a drunk threw up on the pavement.
What's worse is when a woman says it's misogynistic as if she is speaking for the entire female world. She is NOT! I'd rather get a compliment either by a look of appreciation or words from a man than a fake "you're so pretty!" affirmation from another woman.
Imagine if every single time you left the bathroom, some dude would show up and say condescendingly, "It's important to wash your hands." How might you react? Well, at start, you might say to the guy, "Well duh, of course". The second time? Yeah, probably the same. But then try to imagine, for a moment, that no matter where you go or what you do, the guy keeps showing up stating the same line. Go for a movie? There's the guy on the screen again telling you it's important to wash your hands. Go for a dinner at your favorite restaurant? He's sitting right behind you, telling you to wash your hands. At some point, you can't take it anymore, you scream to the lunatic, "Leave me the Hell alone. Stop telling me what what to do God damn it!" And that's when he says, "Well, only people who don't wash their hands would be bothered by my statement, so, um, you're obviously a part of the problem." That is Woke ideology.
That's attributing far too much unearned merit - it would be more accurate in this analogy if the advice he gave was completely pointless at best & actively harmful at worst.
@@Coconut-219 Well, maybe I should expand on it to the dude wanting us to wash our hands in acid or something... Anyway, the idea was to point out that the things that these busybodies are so per-occupied telling people to do are stuff that they're already doing - stuff that any sane person would do - like treat people equally and don't be genuinely racist/sexist. I don't need a movie telling me to behave nicely or be more tolerant. But yeah, I do see where you're coming from. Woke, quite often, is not "do not judge someone by the color of the skin" but rather "you are not allowed to judge (or merely hold an opinion) because of the color of your skin/gender etc." Having said that, my allegory was mostly focused on method. I don't really care about the message one way or the other. I'm not too bothered about what the dude screams at me when I come out of the bathroom. What bothers me is that he keeps screaming. That and the (seemingly) never ending contest of whose hands are the cleanest.
I like this analogy.
Ah yes woke Ideology. If such a thing exists
You missed the part where you’re excommunicated forever for your race, sexuality or religion
We do not want diverse films, we want films that make sense in the context of the story
Esther Krakue is right: even Disney/Marvel's non-spinoff movies--like the Eternals and Shang Chi--have been panned. The Eternals is the clearest example of identity politics being the guiding principle. Vilifying an established hero character Ikarus, who just coincidentally is a white CIS-het man, is a little too on the nose. The story wasn't the focus: the ethnically, racially, and sexual-orientation diverse characters were.