Can This Man PROVE That God Exists? Piers Morgan vs Stephen Meyer
In a lively yet in-depth discussion, Piers Morgan drills down to the core of human existence with Stephen C. Meyer, the prominent ‘intelligent design’ advocate.
In this Piers Morgan Uncensored special, Meyers firmly rejects the idea that a scientific worldview leads to atheism, arguing instead that ‘the universe requires a creator or cause’. When Richard Dawkin’s name is mentioned, Meyer claims that he actually really loves the atheist firebrand and admires his intensity. Lastly, Morgan and Meyers agree that the question of God’s existence is tied to more than just cold hard facts, but also human nature itself.
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00.00 - Who is Dr Meyer?
02.23 - Is Darwin Wrong?
06.03 - Scientific evidence for God
15.58 - The Multiverse
19.29 - What is the meaning of life?
22.52 - Atheists’ anger
25.48 - Why is there suffering?
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I've been an athiest all 32 years of my life, more attracted to science and things that I can see or prove. To the point I've debated people in the past about how stupid the idea of a god is. Recently, I began to find myself being more and more interested in religion. I've no idea why, I just know that I felt a calling to learn more. Now baring in mind that I've been staunchly against the existence of a god, I started to get this strange feeling when I was doing things. The feeling of being watched. The feeling of being judged on my actions. As crazy as this sounds in words, I began to think to myself, "if there is a God, he's watching me right now. I shouldn't be doing this." And so I started to adjust certain behaviours to try to be good, because I felt I was letting someone or something down. The same type of way you don't want to let a parent down. I also, very recently, began to get this feeling of some type of presence. Like no matter where I am or what I'm doing there's a presence with me, and I find myself apologising to this presence I believe to be gid, if I do something wrong. Imagine that? Sounds crazy right? Maybe it is. Maybe I am. Who knows. Now, if you've lived my life, you'd understand how crazy it sounds to me or anyone around me to be apologising in my head to God😂. I mean I feel crazy typing it. As I walk, as I work, play, talk... no matter what I'm doing it's all I'm thinking about. I'm apologising for all the things I've done and all the people I've hurt in my life and hoping I'm forgiven by this presence or power. Even as I sit typing right now, I can feel a presence watching over me and it's almost to the level I feel like I'm typing this to spread the word, or even just to share it. To open up someone else's eyes. I also started reading the bible not too long ago, and again, if you knew the life I was from you'd understand how crazy it is to even have a bible, it really was a huge step. Every single person in my life is completely non religious and would laugh if they seen my bible. I'd be a comple outsider. The only one. The "stupid" one "if I believe any of that nonsense." I've had recent conversations where workmates have laughed off the idea of a god, they think the idea is something to mock religious people over. I didn't defend it. I didn't tell them i was religious. I didn't challenge them and I've found myself feeling riddled with guilt that I never. One of the arguments was "I grew out of religion when I was about 12 when i realised Santa wasn't real either." Unfortunately, I don't have the wisdom, or the information to defend or debate it right now, but I will have, eventually. Full disclosure, I still don't fully know if I'm Christian, I still have doubts, I'm still very much unsure what this journey is. But hopefully it starts to become clearer and clearer over the next few years. If if you've made it this far, thank you! I really appreciate your time🙂
Sorry to hear, hope you get the mental help you need x
in reality aren't you just another christian having a crisis of faith who wants someone to reply with what you want to hear?
Thank you, you have expressed your search for truth journey very well, this is indeed helpful for the rest of us, who have questions about our lives and on matters of faith! Well done you, keep up the good work! We are all called to meaningful relationships with others, and with God too! Keep going on your journey, I think you have found a healthy direction to pursue! God bless ;D
@@joelnugteren5206 it's a massive shame that you get satisfaction from being horrible to others. I hope you find some type of true happiness soon✌️
@@AMC2283 there is no motive behind my comment, other than expressing my thoughts. It's pretty simple. You're searching for subliminal meaning where there is none. It is exactly as my words read, nothing else. If you read properly, you'd see that I wasn't a Christian, I never have been and I still wouldnt call myself one because I'm unsure what exactly it is to be one. However, things that have happened recently have left me with a lot of questions. It's a shame that your mind isn't open enough to try to understand others.
I remember being at my mother’s bedside when she died. She died of Alzheimer’s and was non verbal for many months before her death. She opened her eyes and looked at me and said, “Sue, I’ll see you on the other side”. And then she passed. It blew my mind.
This brought tears to my eyes. Bless you. ❤
seems made up
Am sorry but there is no other side. Its see you when Jesus comes
@@Marabarra94 That's because you're of bad will.
@@j.knight9335 it's because you are gullible. people need attention.
Wow, that has truly blown me away as a non-believer in any God. Absolutely brilliant 👏
I always believed there was some kind of God by that I mean a creator. I just never believed he is the God we are taught in all religions .. so in that respect I was an atheist too. But I always believed in a creator. The universe didn't come from nowhere of course. And I also believe we have some kind of soul that never dies. It doesn't go to heaven it goes somewhere else. Many theories but do not want to bore you haha 😆
What you have said makes perfect sense, I do believe there is something after death although I have no idea what it is, I just truly never thought of in a 'religious' way. I tend to find, in my experience, that religion is used to soothe, explain, make sense of things that remain unexplained or with lack of real proof and I just don't buy into that! Religion has used to explain so many atrocities and I just can't get to grips with a 'God'.
@@lisaevans6530 I agree Religion is used to soothe and make sense of things, but also to restrain and control. Life is a test in a way for me, a way to prepare for wehatever is next, the Atrocities the good the bad, is a way to give us all some perspective for whatever is next, in my opinion. What comes next i have no idea, but the Gods of this little blue planet are small minded, it is much bigger than this in my humble opinion, there is a creator, what reasons he created all of this we find out later, after death .. of our body per say.. but i agree, what is called God and Religion on this blue rock makes no sense to me, but a creator of all, the vastness of all, makes sense, i mean the universe did not just appear, someone or something created it and gave it a beginning for a reason, want to know what that is
@@mwarr777 Our God give us clue. We exist surrounded by empty unfinished planet that is not yet suitable of life. now let's go and finish it. travel and terraforming planets fill it with life is our mission .
I'm always toooing and froooing but I love Stephens videos about DNA and coding.
Excellent interview. As a former skeptic, growing up in Catholic Ireland. I discovered a personal relationship with Jesus / God 17 years ago and I've never been the same again. All true meaning and purpose is derived from an openness, and gradual acceptance of a loving God.
So can you explain the meaning of needless suffering in the world?
why do children who believe in God get raped?
seek help :)
(real help, not fairy tales)
@@closelaugh185no
I've been an atheist my whole life and I've just started calling myself a Christian within the last week or two
Because of things like this?
@@sofahousechurch8266 No. This is just a random video in my feed
If you believe that Jesus is God become flesh to suffer, shed His blood, and die to pay your debt and cover your sins, you are a Christian. He will never leave or forsake you, you are eternally His. It's not just the good news, it's the best news!
Welcome to the club. Spread the word- Christ is king
Most atheists are agnostic atheist (weak atheist). They are not making a claim to knowledge, they are just not convinced that anybody knows the answer
I loved how Meyer apologized for bringing up a “personal moment” in the context of an interview about physics and philosophy. In the Age of Oversharing, this struck me as such an elegant move.
Yup yup. 100%. We just got some crazy singer sharing about where she wants to put her face, oversharing at its peak. These people need to stop thinking the rest of humanity even cares about their craziness
And such an elegant comment
This man is all class
Funny you say that because it was so unexpected to me considering how too many people want to dump their personal stuff out for everyone to see. You could tell that he didn’t want to use an emotionally charged moment to sway others but briefly succumbed to a second of vulnerability but caught himself.
It brings confidence to the integrity of the intentions of his work
I had the pleasure of hearing Stephen speak in New Zealand a number of years ago. A lovely and intelligent man.
He’s a nut, fraud or liar.
You're a slanderer, fool, or both@@jackthebassman1
Jack. He is articulate and talks from a scientific perspective. I think he was amazing . 👏. Tell me why he is a fraud. You cannot so do not try . This is the best explanation of how the universe started . Someone somehow somewhere created it. It didn't come from nowhere. That's his whole point . It is quite a simple process. Open your mind and actually listen to him.
@@mwarr777 Lol, what an incredibly stupid response, you ask me a question and then say “You cannot so do not try” That’s either funny on a level I don’t understand,just plain dumb or you’re a kid fecking about on the internet while your parents are out. You tell me to open my mind whilst you’re is slammed, triple locked and barred. Ok you have your wish, I won’t bother, there’s no point in any discussions with kids or the mentally challenged.
"A lovely and intelligent man" therefore: god. Obviously in NZ for damage control where christianity is on the decline.
I seen Stephen Meyer speak at Chuck Smith's church in California many years ago and seen his presentation of the tiny machines working in each of our cells, it was truly fascinating. I bought his first book "Signature in the Cell". It was a great read. God bless you Stephen, keep up the good work. Brother Albert
LMAO. When Joe Rogan makes you look dishonest and unintelligent with simple questions... you know you've made some really terrible life choices. He made Meyer look like a M0R0N. LMAO
I wish this was a longer conversation.
Check out his convo on Rogan or Shapiro. Both awesome!
These are longer conversations with Steve Meyer on the Unbelievable! podcast, his three massive books and their audiobook versions, academic publications etc.
And he was in Joe Rogan’s show about 6 months ago.
And Eric or Bret Weinstein mentioned him and his work favourably a few weeks ago.
Yeah there are dozens of hours on KZhead alone with Dr. Meyers. Dr. Hugh Ross (an astrophysicist) is also very interesting to listen too.
Finally! A good show where there is no screaming, fighting or yelling. Whichever side one takes, you can appreciate the intelligent and meaningful conversation.
ye so many shouting recently :)
Mmm pseudo intelligent.
It happens when you discuss stuff that's mostly irrelevant, as opposed to, I don't know, defending a genocide for example...
DO YOU CONDEMN HAMAS?!
It because there’s a liar and a believer on screen. That makes for no argument.
This conversation hurts my head. 😂. Thinking of the universe like that is so mind blowing
One of the more honest confessions I've heard in a while. I think you are on your way to finding what is true and what is false by having an open mind. First, take religion off the table. You may have never thought about it in this way but, think of a transcendent being creating everything we see in reality. There is no religion involved here. It's simply a transcendent being (we call God) creating because he has the ability to do it. Now because none of us were around when he did this, the question is, did he do it? How would we know unless he told us? So now the question is, did he tell us? The answer to that question is a resounding YES! And the way he chose to tell us is through his written Word (the Bible) The explanation of creation of all things is described very simply. He also said that we would know of his existence through his creation. Because God is a personal God not a religion, he cares for you personally because he created you very special and unique. There has been no one, nor will there ever be anyone like you. We are all uniquely created by him. It is perfectly normal to question if he actually exists because we cant see him. When Jesus was here, he said "if you have seen me, you have seen the Father" because Jesus and the Father are one. So be honest with God. Just say "I don't know if you exist and I want to know. Make yourself real to me." He tells us in the Bible that "if you seek me earnestly, you will find me." From there, it will be a learning process (I believe) you are going through right now. Be patient and continue to seek. He will reveal to you what you need to continue in this very special relationship with him. Don't listen to others who want to destroy this process and wreck your goal to learn more. They have always been around and will always be around. Don't forget, you have an enemy who is also fighting for your soul and he uses these people to discourage you and defeat you. All of the suffering in the world people like to blame God for it. The funny thing is, they never put blame where it belongs, and that is the devil himself who hates you! Why does he hate you? Because in the creation event, God said, (and you can find this if you already haven't), Genesis 1:26-27 26 Then God said, “Let us make human beings in our image, to be like us. They will reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the livestock, all the wild animals on the earth, and the small animals that scurry along the ground.” 27 So God created human beings in his own image In the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. We are the only created life on the planet with a living soul. What is that? It's uniquely you. Our souls animate our physical bodies. When our physical bodies die, we continue to live full conscious and aware. This is what the battle is for. Satan knows his end and he wants to pull everyone he can down to the depths of Hell with him. So the battle is to keep you from accepting the free gift of eternal life in Heaven, being "Saved". Because God loves you so much, he sent Jesus to die for our sinful condition and pay the penalty for us. All we have to do according to Gods Word is found here in the book of Romans 10:9-10. "Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved." This is what Satan is trying to keep you from doing. And because none of us know when we will die, the Bible tells us that TODAY is the day for salvation. Not tomorrow or a week from now but TODAY. People get up every day and get ready for work or vacation or whatever they are doing and none of us think that today is our last day on earth. Nobody thinks that, but it happens day in and day out! I pray for you and your journey and God's blessings upon you and your family!
Thank you for that 😉
Jesus is imaginary. If the story in the book was true. Every believer would have amazing powers. They don't. That's a small estimate of 100 BILLION failures over 2,000 years. Google "god is imaginary 50 simple proofs" and read the book properly..
Where in the Bible are you getting your information Andy Campbell?
@@BrotherAlbert What are your thoughts on this subject? Where does the information we now know in the cell come from if we are meaningless, purposeless evolutionary matter?
God is the only intelligent source we know to be the answer in our rational way of logically thinking.@@dwptechduco
Having lost my wife suddenly and unexpectedly at the age of 53 I know only too well the pain of grief, but I can honestly say this experience has brought me closer to God. God has shown up in my life like never before through many supernatural coincidences that have brought me a great deal of comfort, Psalm 34 vs 18 says “God is close to the brokenhearted “ this has been my experience. I am now more convinced than ever before that there is a God and my wife is in heaven and I will see her again.
@@AaronK-ef8yv I get where you’re coming from but my wife died before she got the Covid jab from an undiagnosed brain tumour.
@@angelodaloia9767 I'm sorry for your loss. May your wife rest in peace.
May your wife enjoy perfect heavenly peace and may you find your own peace until you are reunited for eternity. God bless, I am very sorry for your loss
I pray that the Lord continues to comfort you. 🙏
Pray to Jesus and he will comfort you, he understands your grief and is watching over you 🙏😔
So nice to see people like Stephen Meyer on "mainstream" channels with a broad audience like Piers Morgan.
Why? He peddles the same lies he does elsewhere....
@@mcmanustonyseethe harder atheist, your misery will never infect us 😂
@@mcmanustony You call them lies. You had the opportunity in your comment to tell us the truth. What is the truth according to your worldview?
@@afrochris7310 you believe in a man whos a charlatan😆😆and he has been debunked. Cope theist.
@@mcmanustony what lies, didnt you hear Neil DeGrasse Tyson saying in the video they have no idea, so its all speculation from the scientists, and if you have to guess the most simple explanation is most often true. Michio Kako says he doesnt know any in his field that use the scientific method, its all guesswork
I’m reading the comments section and asking myself this question- Why does the question of belief or unbelief in God bring out such strong emotions and passion. Why do people get so angry over what another person believes? There is only one explanation I can think of and that is, I believe it shows the greatest battle of all time between good and evil, between light and darkness, what a writer once called “The Great Controversy”. I would encourage anyone reading this message to read that book The Great Controversy, it’s a free book you can find online
My $0.02c - b/c, each one of us (even the so-called atheist) is spiritually at a different stage and when one encounters a thought (or a person) that is far far far away from that level, one tends to give an extreme reaction...
Usually because someone's belief about how the universe was created doesn't stop there. If just stopped at "a mind created the known universe", conversations would be civil. But what often follows is "I know what said mind wants for all humans, what it wants is for us to do X, Y and Z, and if you don't do X, Y and Z you are not one of its chosen creatures, and you will likely suffer for all eternity in a realm of pure pain and agony". Among other things. Some people find that an issue.
2 Corinthians 10 and Ephesians 6 right? The struggle is against the spiritual forces in the heavenly realms. That's exactly the answer.
I think you need to think again. It's a case of some people are happy to believe in myth and legend, whilst other people prefer to believe in empirical truth. It's as simple as that.
@cliveshalice8490 I suppose, but empirical truth and certain religious truth are both ultimately founded on universal concepts. So the question at that point is what is the underlying foundation of those concepts. Good and Evil seems more than reasonable, especially given that it wouldn't make sense for humans to believe in good and evil if we're merely the results of billions of years of unguided, irrational materialistic processes.
What are the chances that anything can happen by chance? Nothing can happen by chance because chance cannot do anything. I once had a discussion with a professor at Harvard who said to me the universe was created by chance. I pushed him a little bit on this, used a coin to illustrate the problem. I said, “If I have a fifty-cent piece and flip it up in the air, what are the chances that it comes up heads?” He says, “50/50.” I said, “OK, how much influence does chance exert on the flip of the coin?” He said, “What do you mean?” I said: “Well, the way it comes up heads or tails is determined by how much pressure is exerted on it, what the density of the atmosphere is, how many revolutions it takes, and so on, whether you catch it here, or here, or here, and whether after you catch it you turn it over or don’t turn it over. Those are all the variables. How much influence does chance have?” He still didn’t get it. I said: “Well, look. If you’re using the term chance to talk about mathematical possibilities, it’s a perfectly useful term. But when we ascribe to chance a power to do something, we are saying the chance is something. Now, what is it? What is this mysterious X factor that causes the coin to come up tails or heads?” He still looked at me, and I said, “Wait a minute.” I said, “Chance cannot do anything because chance is not anything.” For something to act, it must first what? Be. Chance is not a thing; it’s no thing; it’s nothing. When you say to me that the universe was created by chance, you are saying the same thing as saying the universe was created by nothing, and you’ve taken a perfectly good word to describe mathematical possibilities and now informed it with magical power. Giving it ontological status, giving it power to do something when it is not anything, and that is the principal idea that is used as a substitute for creation. Now, I know there are some who argue that the universe is eternal and always has been here. That’s another question, but the vast majority of critics today who deny the creation of this world by a self-existent, eternal God appeal to some kind of beginning to all of reality that comes from nothing. It’s the rabbit out of the hat-without a hat, without a rabbit, without a magician. It’s worse than magic; it’s pure mythology. If there ever was a time when there was nothing, there would be nothing now. So there always had to be something, something that had the very power of being within itself or nothing could possibly be. Is there anything more elementary than that. If the equation is God or chance, the only possible solution, is God. Because chance can do nothing. R.C. Sproul
Well, who or what made God? Anyway, the professor who supposedly said that the universe was created by chance obviously didn't know what he was talking about (and, by the way, Bayesian statistics perfectly aligns with the coin toss argument, so it's very fishy, to say the least, that a Harvard professor right l wouldn't get the argument). Yes, chance cannot create anything. But that is a total strawman. Of course I can't rule out the existence of God. But I find it much more likely that we (a) don't have nearly enough information about physics and the big bang, and (b) that at some level things start to behave way beyond our realm of comprehension (like quantum physics, but possibly 100x worse). So yeah, between God or chance, I also go with "God". But that is a silly argument/discussion.
Thank you. This is a superb exegesis.
So God can be self-existent, eternal and come from nothing but the universe can't?
Brilliant
@@dannylewthwaite Well . . . that actually IS just what the scientists are telling us. The universe started--apparently from nothing material--about 13.8 billion years ago. Scientists no longer believe that the universe is eternal, though that once was their position. If I understand the theist position, it is that God is "transcendent"--which does seem to be a non-testable, non-falsifiable, non-verifiable proposition. So I am not to sure whether the ball has actually been moved as far down the field, as it were, as the theists would have us believe.
I love Stephen Meyer!!! I've listened to many interviews with him. He's wonderful, never seems to get flustered at all. Just calmly explains his position. As a Christian, I'm so glad to have him.
Why would he get flusterd being interviewed by someone who agrees with him?
As a scientist I’m so incredulous we are listening to religious anachronism in the 21st century
@@billypilgrim4816 as a human it amazes me that a Christian scientist can be so humble and say he loves Dawkins and speaks so highly of him….and a highly educated person like yourself can’t see the difference….. Have a most excellent day Jesus is Lord Jesus loves you.
@@seantaylor4095 well he’s being put on the spot about life’s and sciences biggest questions…. He answers with wisdom and calm. See the difference between him and Dawkins. Enough said.
@@bradleygonzalez1160 He's not being put on the spot. He's being teed up to answer the questions he wants to answer because they're in his book. Still, I'm glad you're convinced.
Would have liked this conversation to go on for longer. Thirty minutes just wasn't long enough Piers. Would really love to see a conversation between Stephen Meyer and Richard Dawkins too.
Look up John Lennox debating Richard Dawkins too, or anything John Lennox really. Wonderful.
@@karenkati5019 Thanks for the tip karen. Will do. 🙂
lol, Dawkins pulled out of a debate opportunity with Meyer years ago. He knows he’d get demolished.
100% 👏
It was the addition of mitochondria into the early primative simple cell. That was the game changer. Sort of symbiotic relationship!
It's so funny and sad to me how religious people think that answering the questions we don't know the answers to by saying "it has to be a god", you are just answering the questions with even bigger questions. How did this god come to be, or what is it, is an even bigger and more unanswerable question than "what is the big bang". Saying that it strengthens your belief in god when people are logically consistent and aknowledge that they can't answer question we don't know the answers to - you are not only just kicking the can down the road by evoking god, you are accepting an answer based on no facts at all, purely on feeling (which should not be a respectable position to anyone that actually understands basic reasoning and logic...).
Thank you. I see all the comments thinking he actually made a solid argument for the evidence of God…. He did not do this. I have as open a mind as can be. I believe there is some sort of higher power that created this experience, simulation theory makes the most sense to a degree, but it still leaves so much unanswered …..I’m truly open to any theory that has actual evidence but I have found there is no theory that can support all the claims it makes or can support some claims but can be attacked with ease or leaves many things answered. This is why I now think anyone who actually touts a theory is a fool. The smart human recognizes we just don’t know and says that out loud. Part of the beauty of existence is accepting mysteries such as this. That’s how I know I’m not a smart person because I want to know the answers more than anything.
Love it, from the beginning until the end, focus on the essential questions so many have, at least in have/had. Thank you so much!
Stephen Meyer- he reminds me of a Mr. Rogers with a PhD. Very good change of pace Piers. All the rancour and dark debates of our current Milieu, nice to zoom out and have an affirmative talk about what really matters. After losing someone close today, this was serendipitous to hear this pleasant conversation. I like Piers and Stephen am a Christian but faith is hard to hold when you are met everyday with the coldness of our world- but when I heard Stephen speaking so eloquently and personally he gave me just that little jolt of faith. Thanks. Well done!
I'm glad this came at the perfect time for you. Now pick up a Bible, think on your loss, open up to a random page and read both pages from top left of the left page to bottom right of the right page. In this practice, you will always find your answer. You're welcome. God bless.
I pray that the person you lost is now in heaven. Please listen to I SPEAK JESUS by Charity Gayle LOUDLY if possible or with ear/headphones. God bless you In JESUS name.
Huh? You think that the suffering and brutality caused by wars don't matter?
Oh gosh. I'm so very sorry for your loss. But as a Christian I hope you know that we're creating the coldness in this world, as human beings.
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Dr Stephen Meyer is so articulate here about complicated theories and subjects. And for someone of such great intellect, he has amazing humility. One of Piers Morgan's best interviews. I also loved that there was no interrupting.
It's easy to sound articulate when you're being cheered on by a host who already agrees with everything you say.
@@seantaylor4095 I agree that PM was unusually supportive, but not that it is easy to be articulate on such complex issues. I suspect he would do equally well against someone pushing back on his argument, like Dawkins.
@@stuartboorman It is easy to sound articulate when you are practiced at public speaking, but that is not the same as making sense or your arguments holding up to scrutiny. As an atheist who believes that evolution holds the key (if not currently all the answers) to humanity and has heard numerous debates on these topics, I find his arguments around intelligent design and fine tuning quite basic and deeply flawed, but as a headline grabbing interview and book promotion quite effective.
@@seantaylor4095 Well then, you haven't seen Meyer's debates with atheists.
@@seantaylor4095 Are you as articulate in explaining the theory of evolution as Meyer is in explaining the theory of creation?
Really enjoyed this interview - hope you have him on again.
Type Stephen Meyer right here in the youtube search window and you will find many many interviews and seminars Meyer gives.
Even if you could call the Torah/bible/Quran evidence, it’s poor. If the bible is egregiously faulty then the main character’s existence is likely fantasy. If the existence of Yahweh/Allah is a fiction (Muslims believe in the first five books of the Old Testament) then the god man/prophet Jesus cannot stand, nor any Abrahamic Prophet, such as Muhammad. Faith (belief without evidence) based on the contents of the bible/Quran is suspect, for the following reasons… Of the Canaanite gods. El was the top god (sort of Roman Saturn) Ba’al (Jupiter) was next, then down the line was the war/storm god Yahweh (Mars). The Jews nicked him and made him the creator. The first line of the bible is clearly incorrect. The Earth was formed at least 9.8 billion years after the heavens. How did the creator get that wrong? And, the rest of the creation is wrong. It’s as if an ancient ignorant tribe wrote it all by themselves. And, it takes light 2.5 million years to travel from Andromeda to Earth. That alone makes the heavens much older than Earth. Another biblical example that it’s a man made fiction. There are no waters above the firmament. Heaven isn’t up there either, we’ve been there. The tribes of the Middle East wouldn’t have known oceans would be frozen but for the heat of the sun. Yet, in the biblical account, water filled the oceans and outer space, all with no sun, and the light that made up the day was created before the sun? The ancient Jews had no concept the sun caused day and night onto a rotating Earth. The moon isn’t a light. It’s fiction by an ignorant tribe with no access to a god creator. Adam was made from dirt by magic and he, this god, forgot about Eve, an afterthought. so not an all knowing and wise god then? Snakes and donkeys talk, nonsense fiction, right up there with Harry Potter, though JK Rowling was clearly a better writer with fewer continuity errors. This god set up Eve by placing this magic apple within her reach, before she knew right from wrong. Then punished humanity thereafter. What a vicious god, if not a fictional one. Nonsense fiction, by an ignorant ancient people writing about their mythology, their nation’s origins, steeped in the mists of the past, just the same as the Greek, Persian and Babylonian cultures write about their make believe gods who were equally fervently worshipped. Inanna, the dying and rising goddess was such an example, worshiped for 2,500 years. With more dying and rising gods in the lexicon of ancient myths. Virgin births were pretty common too. Romulus and Remus, twin founders of Rome, born of the virgin Rhea Silvia. In ancient Egypt, Ra (the Sun) was born of a virgin mother, Net; Horus was the son of the virgin Isis. The Phrygo-Roman god, Attis, was born of a virgin, Nana, on December 25. He went on to be killed and was resurrected. Adam and Eve’s children (as Eve was a clone of Adam) and grandchildren (as Cain, Able and Seth only had Eve to produce offspring or with their unknown sisters) could only have been produced by incest, then double incest, according to the biblical account. But, as Eve was a clone of Adam, there would be no genetic diversity. Such a lack of diversity would have meant the death of the human species, ask the Hapsburgs. But then, their created god wouldn’t have known about genetics? The Exodus didn’t happen according to all evidence, acknowledged by the Jewish archaeologists who have tried to find it. The Egyptians never wrote of their army being swallowed by the sea. Mosses may never existed. There is a massive amount of genocide in the bible by a god who failed to get the locals to behave. Genocide because the Israelites needed a land to make home. If a creator of the universe and humans could have just thought a new land, a new island, south of Cyprus, it would have appeared. Easy for a god, not so for an ancient tribe to pull off? Then, this god could have told these others how to behave and punished individuals, if that’s what was needed. But no, he went straight to mass murder. What? And, the greatest god in the universe was defeated by iron chariots: Judges1:19. That is so ridiculous, such a puny god. Or, is it because the story was a creation of a tribe that had no concept of future technologies or tactics to defeat these new Iron Age chariots? I’m sure that a human Napoleon type tactician could have done better. Genesis 19 tells us of Lot being raped by this daughters. And yet this god is moral? He could have changed the course of their predicament, found him a younger wife or servant to sleep with, if a god. More incest. No respect for genetics? A blood sacrifice barbaric religion. The books that were supposedly written by Mosses consist of a linguistic style that didn’t exist at the time of his “life”. It’s a fictitious narrative, written by the Jews to give their new nation an historical legitimacy, and unify them, in the midst of other powerful cultures in the Middle East. Didn’t help much though, they were constantly being invaded and subjugated by more powerful “gods” of other warring nations. Even Yahweh acknowledged there were other gods. Remember the Ten Commandments tablets that were conveniently broken and then without fuss, lost. An all powerful creator of the universe who missed the opportunity to create the tablets out of an advanced technology, Titanium or, something really exotic perhaps? Is that because the Jews didn’t know about such a thing with no understanding of the future? The forging and preservation of such a technology would have cemented the truth of their god. Broken conveniently disappeared stone tablets: clearly, no god involved. Noah and his flood occurred when the Egyptians where going about their cultural and religious practices that continued afterwards; and, their religion was not replaced by the flood family’s immediate ancestors, fanning out from the ark. The Pharaohs and their gods continued unabated. No Yahweh? More incest? Another genetic bottleneck? The Chinese culture and writing developed along a continuum and they too were never taken the religion of Yahweh from the Middle East, by Noah’s relatives. Odd, don’t you think? Do you think? And, the ancient Britons and Australians failed to notice they were meant to be dead. The New Testament, if it is read, critically, is inconsistent and evolves over time. Indeed, the gospels were not written for decades after the death of this Jesus, whose birth and death are still questionable and no date can be asserted with clarity. There’s no evidence that all the first born were killed either in Egypt nor by Herod. I think the Egyptians would have recorded such a calamity and the calamities of the plagues, but nothing. Was it all made up? There is real historical evidence of John the Baptist, but not of the greater Jesus. There is historical evidence of Apollonius of Tyana, who allegedly ascended to heaven, similar to Jesus, but there is no extra biblical evidence of Jesus during his lifetime. There is an historical record of Jesus Ben Pandira but, no Jesus the Galilean outside of the bible. Nothing. There’s Jesus ben Ananias, a rude peasant, who went around Jerusalem in 66CE prophesying its fall in 70CE; he’s recorded in documents outside the bible, but not the biblical Jesus. His alleged disciples never wrote anything they were uneducated peasants. Contemporaries never recorded his miracles nor his troublesome nature. The bible account says he was widely known and a divisive figure that the Romans never recorded. Neither did the Jews. And, the crucified were left to rot on the cross/pole on which they were hung as a warning to insurrectionists? No empty tomb, it’s a fiction to turn a myth into a “fact”. To turn a dead man or a fictional man into god. Pilate was, in real history, recorded history, a truly nasty contemptuous man, he would never have allowed a crucified body’s removal to undermine its purpose as a warning. And, the alleged trial is a tale of the blood cult of scapegoating. Even Barabbus was a literary device representing scapegoating, suggesting it never occurred. Barabbus means, son of the teacher, or son of the father. The gospel writers where representing the two characters as essentially the same, one became the goat sacrifice. And, the twist was that the Jews shouted to let the murderer go, allowing the blame for Jesus’s death to be placed on the Jews and not the imperial Romans. It was very much a political narrative because the Jews and Romans where essentially at war, the destruction of the Temple in 70AD/CE, and this new sect/cult needed to distinguish themselves from the Jewish troublemakers, and the ongoing violence of the time. Paul never knew Jesus and only depicted him as a spiritual vision. He knew nothing of the man and nothing of his life or his teachings. More evidence that the Chrestos (anointed) was mythical? The gospel writers are unknown. The church gave them names years later. The first time the gospels were mentioned was in 180AD/CE by Irenaeus. Indeed, a very prominent Christian, Theophilus of Antioch (Feast day 13 October, died circa 184 AD/CE) said that he came to believe in Jesus from reading the Jewish Scriptures or, Torah. No mention of the gospels, no quoting of anything Jesus allegedly said. That’s really odd because a conversation with a Christian today invokes quotes from the bible. Best date for the gospels is circa, 170-182 AD/CE. The myth of the god man Jesus was created over many years. Mark was first written, not until at least 70AD/CE, say Christian scholars but, as above, likely much later. No record of the star of Bethlehem, of graves emptying, or sky darkening. It’s fiction. No Mosses, Abraham, no Noah, no Flood. As for flying horses in the Quran, that’s straight out of Greek mythology. No one should believe such nonsense today.
This seemed like an odd pairing for an interview to me, having a lot of familiarity with both, but it was fantastic conversation. Wow..
I remember when my dad died. We went and saw his body. The moment I looked at him I said "he is not in there", and the image of an empty vase came to mind. The sight of death is quite profound as it forcibly directs your whole being to the thought that me, you, us are not our bodies. At that moment my faith in a God became stronger. And his name is Jesus Christ.
lmfao.
Amen ❤🙏
You are right. I saw the same thing when I saw my son lying lifeless. It was only a body, his soul had been freed from the vessel that held it. I pray to God that I will see him again in heaven
Do you feel the same about dogs? Dogs aren’t just their bodies?
Perhaps you drew that conclusion because of your upbringing and the fact that you're already taught that religious belief. Why couldn't you have just said maybe in the cosmos there is a creator but you zeroed in on one of the many thousands that have been believed... Very telling that you went to the culturally acceptable one.
This is by any comparison one of Piers Morgan’s best interviews. Dr. Meyer is a treasure indeed.
But he's not. He has a preconceived idea of a god and he will always be biased to that view.
Definitely
Everyone with a world view is biased then. I'll continue to listen to thoughtful ideas no matter what the person's personal spiritual ideas are@@aidankennedy1860
@@aidankennedy1860exactly, this is just two people who believe in god talking without anyone that disagrees involved. Of course it’s friendly and he makes Meyers come across well. Bias interviews are not automatically good interviews.
He's dishonest and has been debunked many times.
I love it when humans always believe in God when they fail to explain things otherwise.
Exactly. If there's no explanation then always must be God.
I love God because everything I know in science point to God than otherwise.
@@alfonstabz9741 Science has never concluded God as the answer.
I really appreciate Piers taking the time to discuss this topic. On the other hand, that shows like this address subjects such as God and the end of life are another sing that the end of the systems is really near. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear- Matthew 11:15
I have had the privilege to briefly meet Dr Stephen Meyer and he is a wonderful human being!
I picked up one of his books a few years ago and as an agnostic I was really surprised that I found his discussions so convincing. Especially the lack of science explaining the beginning of life
@@vivian9187 Take a look at Dr. James Tour's work, much available on KZhead -- Dr. Tour is a world renowned expert in origin of life chemistry and biology.
And...?
@@vivian9187There's always going to be gaps in our scientific knowledge, if there wasn't then we'd be "finished" with science. You don't get to put God in all the places where the answer should just be "we don't know yet". Meyer is a disingenuous liar-for-Jesus with an admittedly pleasant demeanor, air of authority and trustworthiness about him. I get why he's convincing, he seems like he's well versed in both sides and arrived at sensible conclusions. But please realise that once you step outside the Creation "science" bubble around The Discovery Institute, Answers in Genesis and the like you'll realise that we really do know a whole lot more than they want you to think. They often misuse buzz words, reference the state of fields as they were decades or sometimes even over a century ago, or even cherry pick statements blatantly out of context. For example, Meyer loves to use the Cambrian Explosion as evidence of a creation event that defeats evolution, but the Cambrian saw the emergence of hard bodied organisms that fossilize much more readily and the "explosion" covers a period of over 10 million years. It fits perfectly with evolution. Though he is a credentialed scientist he works as an apologist. His work contributes no understanding that help us to understand, make predictions or otherwise utilise the world around us. They simply help to reaffirm the faith of those who who are seeking that. And that's fine, if what you're really looking for is to have your faith strengthened. But if you're looking for genuine scientific enquiry look elsewhere.
@@yankee2666 shut up
Why was the show so short????. I'm impressed Piers, you are knocking it out of the ball park with your guests, specially this one.
It's short because there's nothing to say. The "discovery institute " is a complete fraud . First they come up with the answers and then they set up the questions. They dress it up in fake scientific sounding language.
Soft ball questions between 2 theists. LMAO
We must have free will in order to LOVE. What a fascinating journey in getting to the conclusion that there is God. And how wonderful that He told us all about Himself and how He created everything and what His great plan is. Ultimately, He just wants to love us, be loved and for us to love Him, each other, and to know Him.
THANK YOU PIERS! THIS WAS WONDERFUL!!! What a pleasure Stephen Meyer was to listen to. Calm, organised thought, clear explanation. So respectful in the way he speaks to you. I am sick of ranting and raving lunatics. ❤❤
Wow! Piers, this discussion has touched me in a very profound way. I have never doubted God's existence. So it's not like this discussion converted me. What has touched me immensely is hearing God explain truth through Stephen Meyer. The knowledge shared is indeed a blessing. Thank you to you both.
My mom killed herself. That alone proves there is no God.
@@LevitatingCastlesthat statement simply shows that you don’t determine the purpose of life nor do you know the purpose of life.
I love that.. God explains the truth through Meyers. I hadn't thought of it that way, but I love it.
@@cynthiahample7793god explains nothing
@@LevitatingCastles I'm sorry for such a devastating loss. Like you, I do not believe in a God, Santa Claus, or the Tooth Fairy. The only God is chaos. I enjoyed this show immensely.
Literally one of my favorite non-fiction authors. Stephen Meyers is amazing.
I thought stories of the supernatural were classified under fiction?
Thank you Piers Morgan for the intelectual courage to have Dr Myers on your show! Thank you.
Who was the designer of the designer?
I love Dr Meyer, i have followed his work for over a decade. He is great to listen to and learn from. Thank you Piers for this excellent conversation. Blessings to you both 🙏 ✝️🦘🤠
When my mum died I was 16 and I totally dismissed God. 9 years on and I am totally convinced God is real. Thank you for this conversation
Why
@@tonys8448 Perhaps this very video we're commenting on, is a good starting point?
@@ashj5952 No, the starting point is to do what he did; ASK.
@@Dr.Ian-Plect He already asked though. So, the next step is to look at the available evidence and reasons given in favor of the idea. I don't see the point in your comment.
@@ashj5952 My point is trivial to understand. The sequence; - Why - Perhaps this very video we're commenting on, is a good starting point? - No, the starting point is to do what he did; ASK. ---------- Then, you inanely respond with; He already asked though. So, the next step is to look at the available evidence and reasons given in favor of the idea. - what are you talking about?! He asked 'why' once, THEN your inane reply came suggesting the video as a starting point. Then I replied agreeing that asking the commenter 'why' is the appropriate starting point, not going to the video he referenced. If your next reply is yet more inane drivel, I'm not addressing it.
As someone who studied evolutionary biology there is still so much evidence that is not being discussed it hurts to watch this.
But that's not even the issue. How much of the evidence not talked about here can be interpreted as being intelligently designed? All of it.
in youtube, or worse the comment section - only a tiny fraction of anything can be discussed. I have found generally people want to believe in God, or believe there is something "more" out there, or they don't. Occasionally, dyed in the wool atheists do become Christians. The famous C S Lewis said he was one of the most reluctant converts in the world, Nicky Gumbel, a Lawyer and Atheist, said he read the Bible to prove it wrong - and became a Christian (and eventually an Anglican Minister). It is a strange world.
@@ThePossumone "Occasionally, dyed in the wool atheists do become Christians. " Many true biblical scholars live religions altogether because they learn the bible is full if bullcrap and magic.
I found a Rescued not Arrested Bible in county jail. Changed my life. The Bible is the Word of God. It changed my life. All glory to King Jesus!
Where is your proof that the Bible is the word of God?
@@odinsavenger4965a completely changed life where someone turns their life around from becoming a Christian - I find very convincing
The bible disproves ITSELF read it properly.. Deuteronomy 18. 21. 22 And if thou say in thine heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken? A prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously; thou shalt not be afraid of him. Jesus Lied About Prayer Jesus is quoted many times in the Bible saying that a believer can ask for anything through prayer and receive it. He even goes so far as to say that mountains and trees can be thrown into the sea simply by praying for it. This is clearly a lie, and can be proven to be a lie by any believer. Simply pray for me to be converted to Christianity right away. Or better yet ask God to move the mountains behind my house. He could make a lot of converts that way. If I’m converted today, I’ll post a public apology on my web site and devote my life to spreading the obvious and demonstrable truth of Christian claims. If I’m not converted it would only be fair for believers to apologise and devote their lives to promoting the light of reason, based on sound reasoning, facts and evidence. Here are the quotes from Jesus that proves that the biblical character lied: 1) And Jesus answered and said to them, “Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,’ it will happen. “And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.” (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS) 2) Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Matthew 7:7-8 NAB) 3) Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst. (Matthew 18:19-20 NAS) 4) Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours. (Mark 11:24-25 NAB) 5) And I tell you, ask and you will receive; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Luke 11:9-13 NAB) 6) And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it. (John 14:13-14 NAB) 7) If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask for whatever you want and it will be done for you. (John 15:7 NAB) 8) It was not you who chose me, but I who chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit that will remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name he may give you. (John 15:16 NAB) 9) On that day you will not question me about anything. Amen, amen, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in my name he will give you. Until now you have not asked anything in my name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be complete. (John 16:23-24 NAB) A lot of Christians ignore what Jesus actually says in the Bible. They also tend to add things to the actual words to make them say something else. If you honestly and truthfully read these quotes, without adding to them, it is very easy to see that Jesus is not saying that God will think about your prayers. He says God will grant all your prayers. Clearly, God doesn’t grant all prayers and this proves that Jesus was a habitual liar.
Myers is a liar..
@@odinsavenger4965if you read it I promise you will find out and will not ask for anymore proof.
Dr Stephen C Meyer is intelligent, learned, articulate, and compassionate, with a great understanding and respect for other persons and their points of view. He is a consummate gentleman. Great interview! :D
He's a lying hack at a right wing pressure group seeking to pervert science education and lie to children about Jesus. But you do you....
Indeed, he is a gentleman, but do his arguments hold any water?
Our daughter is really ill and even this level of suffering hasn't ruined our faith and each day that seems extraordinary.
God bless you 🙏
I'm sorry. I pray for you and her.
An attachment disorder to a vile and wicked deity from a 2000 yo fairytale, hope you get the help you need
I’m so sorry for what your beautiful family is going through …I will keep your beautiful daughter in my prayers ❤
Please tell us her name and we’ll add her to our prayer list. God bless you
I really enjoyed this. Thank you Piers and Dr Stephen Meyer 😊 I am sure I will listen to this again and share this video 👍
How folk can't see a designer in all of the amazing designs in life and the universe still amazes me. Now what one believes about the designer might be questionable, but to deny of that existence seems completely illogical to me. The most simple thing proven by science is you cannot get something from nothing.
I post rarely, this time I really feel the need to do it, because this was the best show I've ever seen at Piers Morgan, whom I warmly congratulate!
Glad you posted. Hope you have a good day 😊
@@DavidMcdonald-df8tb I have, thanks, I hope you do too!
I can't remember the last time I sat thru a whole Piers Morgan video. The show is great when there is a good-faith conversation with an intelligent individual and Piers isn't acting like an arse... and, as we all know, that almost never happens.
Well, tomorrow it's back to a subject on Palestine. So don't expect too much of that. 😆
But you come back & keep harping on about. Are you just into complaining or are you unaware of how irrational that mindset it. Like banging one's head against a wall over & over.....yet you carry on & whinge on top
Then why even start watching.
Hard agree. And this guest, as an aside, is gold.
Even though I disagree with this guests' conclusions, I fully respect him as someone who's intelligent, well spoken and productive. Unlike the raging man-child lunatics Piers usually has on.
I've been a follower of Jesus since the age of 10 years. I love learning and hearing various ideas. I'm always lead back to Truth.
When people ask: "Where is God when people are suffering?" I honestly wish to ask, "Well, where are you? Why is it that you are not taking the baton and running with it to save as many people as humanly or superhumanly possible. You do not believe in God when miracles happen, so why question him when you wish for a miracle to happen?" Honestly, people stand at the sidelines and see horror, ask "where is God in all this?!" Then continue to swipe through KZhead or Reddit or wherever else trolls hide. It appears largely inconsistent to me.
Outstanding description of how losing someone by increments makes you think you're more prepared for the moment they die. But the finality of death brings a depth of sorrow you had no idea was possible.
I am at that point - mother is 97 and has dementia - fading away by increments. What Mr. Meyer shared really touched me, deeply.
And that depth of sorrow doesn’t go away. It’s always there. We are forever changed.
people cant accept reality and make up deeelusions their loved ones are still here. you see it all over, even in these comments
Yes, losing a soul companion is very painful, especially when we the "living" have no knowledge of the realms beyond this 3D world we call Earth. Our senses limit us to the material, only a few gifted who have access to the band width beyong the 3D know that there are much higher forms of lives residing there, which is full of bliss, joy and contentment. See Dr. Jill Bolte Taylor's TedTalk "My Stroke of Insight".
@@RosemaryStudy Dr. Meyer is a spiritual teacher cloaked in the robe of a scientist, but he is using this access to the secular world to share the knowledge that our 3D world has a limited bandwidth on the frequency spectrum, there are infinite realms beyond 3D earth, it is like a classroom here, beings outside of it come here for a visceral lesson, clothed in a "human physical body". The 3D notion of death is but a transition.
I've just seen Piers in a completely different light. Stephen's thinking is fascinating. Such a brilliant interview.
Agree!
Stephen Myers is a drop out Scientist. That why he now works for the Creationist Propaganda mills. ALL of his writings have been debunked by REAL Scientists.
What was your previous opinion of Piers and what is it now - what is the "different light"?
Agree.
Where does the moral compass we carry come from. When comparing two wrong actions and deciding which is worse, what are we measuring them against, apart from each other, what is that inner compass that makes us feel bad when we do bad things, why do we need to make excuses for bad things, but we never have to make excuses for doing good things? What is that inner compass and where does that come from and why has it never ever changed? Why haven’t we all decided that selfishness and evil are the new way to be? Something inside us all knows it’s not the way to go. It’s that inner compass … where does that come from if not a universal law that is predetermined by God and is alive in us all. We cannot ignore it even if we try. We can makes excuses or ignore it as best we can, but what are we actually ignoring …. Something indelible in us. It points to God and a way to live that is throughout the Bible.
"Where does the moral compass we carry come from. " From emotions, like empathy etc. no god man-made concept is needed. There is one religious person who says that murder is wrong because god told him and another religious person comes and says that murder is good because god told him. In your presupposition's world, who is right? Is it ok for one human to own another? Will you kill your own child if your god asks? Why do you worship an immoral god?
"It suggests it must be...." What the hell does that mean? The echoing going on in this episode is epic.
That just means, “it increases the Probability”
Means the probability of something increases
now tell me how life begun and evolve don't use the "evolution is to slow that we can't observe"
Definitely one of Piers best interview's. Meyers is a delight and brings great clarity and insight. He expresses perfectly why the overwhelmingly vast majority of people through history and alive today believe there is a Creator and a God.
But that number is fortunately dropping day by day.
It's sad that we got dumber over the centuries and lost common sense despite all the technological advancements
too bad he's most likely wrong... most people believe because they were born into it.. more and more people start to stop believing because we know a lot more now than we did before. Belief in God in the middle ages probably made a lot of sense. How many people who believe, believe in some other faith than that what they were born or married into?
The most recent poll data from pew research in 2024 shows “spirituality” is on the rise globally. It is true more people are identifying as not religious while simultaneously saying they believe in some non material supernatural phenomena. I would argue the respondents saying they are not religious but are spiritual do so for a multitude of reasons but one of which is social stigma. It’s easy to say something created the universe. Not as easy to say a specific God. All this is to say, the belief in a supernatural, non material thing is on the rise.
Really interesting topic. I wish there were more guests like this. Way more interesting than Harry and Megan that's for sure. Keep up the good work.
So agree
When were they on?...he hates them ...
A very interesting debate without shouting and only being interested in one opinion, more interviews like this with real meaning and understanding.
All gods, all religions, all "holy" books are the creations of mankind.
Wowsa! Fabulous guest. Thank you for having this brilliant person on your show. He makes the complicated uncomplicated. Will be sharing this with everyone.
hahahah. True, by adding a god, you do really uncomplicate things. Cause now you can just say, well god did it. Ofc for a rational thinking person, that is not an answer at all. It just means, now I don't have to do hard thinking myself and there by my little brain doesn't hurt any more. Sky daddy is the cause of everything.
@@larsrathsach3477 Perhaps you could mock it a little less and investigate with an open heart whether there is a personal God there are a lot of people who believe in God and also believe that one day we will be judged When it comes to your eternal life, if I were you, I would not so easily dismiss his existence and the love He has for humanity Your so-called sky daddy might be the source of life after all. If I may sugest try to start in the Gospel of John. and ask Skydaddy to speak to your heart before you start.
@@timok70 it is not possible to investigate something that is not real. I have no idea what it means to “open your heart” I know it is something believers say like “open your mind” but how to really do these things, I dont know. I don’t care what some book says about a god. There are millions of books written, its called fiction and I regard all of the different holy books to be fiction. The Old testament has some fun stories like Samson and the kid who goes into the Lion den. The new Testament how ever is boring as f…. I don’t care what faith people have, and I know there are many people who believe in souls, eternal life, Heaven and Hell, meaning with life and so on. I how ever do not. I only mock the people who rejects reality because they need to ad their “sky daddy” to explain something where we dont need it. And that is the case with Stephen Meyer, why presuppose a god, and then acts like a scientist using his god to explain things, we know did nor require an intelligent designer. Stephen Meyer thinks the universe is designed for us to live on this tiny tiny tiny tiny smaller than a dot planet in a solar system among millions of other solar systems. He believes a god guided the process of creating things from nothing and that out universe therefor has purpose. Now, he and all other believers around the world are welcome to believe in this, but you are going to be mocked, when you reject science from reality.
Even if you could call the Torah/bible/Quran evidence, it’s poor. If the bible is egregiously faulty then the main character’s existence is likely fantasy. If the existence of Yahweh/Allah is a fiction (Muslims believe in the first five books of the Old Testament) then the god man/prophet Jesus cannot stand, nor any Abrahamic Prophet, such as Muhammad. Faith (belief without evidence) based on the contents of the bible/Quran is suspect, for the following reasons… Of the Canaanite gods. El was the top god (sort of Roman Saturn) Ba’al (Jupiter) was next, then down the line was the war/storm god Yahweh (Mars). The Jews nicked him and made him the creator. The first line of the bible is clearly incorrect. The Earth was formed at least 9.8 billion years after the heavens. How did the creator get that wrong? And, the rest of the creation is wrong. It’s as if an ancient ignorant tribe wrote it all by themselves. And, it takes light 2.5 million years to travel from Andromeda to Earth. That alone makes the heavens much older than Earth. Another biblical example that it’s a man made fiction. There are no waters above the firmament. Heaven isn’t up there either, we’ve been there. The tribes of the Middle East wouldn’t have known oceans would be frozen but for the heat of the sun. Yet, in the biblical account, water filled the oceans and outer space, all with no sun, and the light that made up the day was created before the sun? The ancient Jews had no concept the sun caused day and night onto a rotating Earth. The moon isn’t a light. It’s fiction by an ignorant tribe with no access to a god creator. Adam was made from dirt by magic and he, this god, forgot about Eve, an afterthought. so not an all knowing and wise god then? Snakes and donkeys talk, nonsense fiction, right up there with Harry Potter, though JK Rowling was clearly a better writer with fewer continuity errors. This god set up Eve by placing this magic apple within her reach, before she knew right from wrong. Then punished humanity thereafter. What a vicious god, if not a fictional one. Nonsense fiction, by an ignorant ancient people writing about their mythology, their nation’s origins, steeped in the mists of the past, just the same as the Greek, Persian and Babylonian cultures write about their make believe gods who were equally fervently worshipped. Inanna, the dying and rising goddess was such an example, worshiped for 2,500 years. With more dying and rising gods in the lexicon of ancient myths. Virgin births were pretty common too. Romulus and Remus, twin founders of Rome, born of the virgin Rhea Silvia. In ancient Egypt, Ra (the Sun) was born of a virgin mother, Net; Horus was the son of the virgin Isis. The Phrygo-Roman god, Attis, was born of a virgin, Nana, on December 25. He went on to be killed and was resurrected. Adam and Eve’s children (as Eve was a clone of Adam) and grandchildren (as Cain, Able and Seth only had Eve to produce offspring or with their unknown sisters) could only have been produced by incest, then double incest, according to the biblical account. But, as Eve was a clone of Adam, there would be no genetic diversity. Such a lack of diversity would have meant the death of the human species, ask the Hapsburgs. But then, their created god wouldn’t have known about genetics? The Exodus didn’t happen according to all evidence, acknowledged by the Jewish archaeologists who have tried to find it. The Egyptians never wrote of their army being swallowed by the sea. Mosses may never existed. There is a massive amount of genocide in the bible by a god who failed to get the locals to behave. Genocide because the Israelites needed a land to make home. If a creator of the universe and humans could have just thought a new land, a new island, south of Cyprus, it would have appeared. Easy for a god, not so for an ancient tribe to pull off? Then, this god could have told these others how to behave and punished individuals, if that’s what was needed. But no, he went straight to mass murder. What? And, the greatest god in the universe was defeated by iron chariots: Judges1:19. That is so ridiculous, such a puny god. Or, is it because the story was a creation of a tribe that had no concept of future technologies or tactics to defeat these new Iron Age chariots? I’m sure that a human Napoleon type tactician could have done better. Genesis 19 tells us of Lot being raped by this daughters. And yet this god is moral? He could have changed the course of their predicament, found him a younger wife or servant to sleep with, if a god. More incest. No respect for genetics? A blood sacrifice barbaric religion. The books that were supposedly written by Mosses consist of a linguistic style that didn’t exist at the time of his “life”. It’s a fictitious narrative, written by the Jews to give their new nation an historical legitimacy, and unify them, in the midst of other powerful cultures in the Middle East. Didn’t help much though, they were constantly being invaded and subjugated by more powerful “gods” of other warring nations. Even Yahweh acknowledged there were other gods. Remember the Ten Commandments tablets that were conveniently broken and then without fuss, lost. An all powerful creator of the universe who missed the opportunity to create the tablets out of an advanced technology, Titanium or, something really exotic perhaps? Is that because the Jews didn’t know about such a thing with no understanding of the future? The forging and preservation of such a technology would have cemented the truth of their god. Broken conveniently disappeared stone tablets: clearly, no god involved. Noah and his flood occurred when the Egyptians where going about their cultural and religious practices that continued afterwards; and, their religion was not replaced by the flood family’s immediate ancestors, fanning out from the ark. The Pharaohs and their gods continued unabated. No Yahweh? More incest? Another genetic bottleneck? The Chinese culture and writing developed along a continuum and they too were never taken the religion of Yahweh from the Middle East, by Noah’s relatives. Odd, don’t you think? Do you think? And, the ancient Britons and Australians failed to notice they were meant to be dead. The New Testament, if it is read, critically, is inconsistent and evolves over time. Indeed, the gospels were not written for decades after the death of this Jesus, whose birth and death are still questionable and no date can be asserted with clarity. There’s no evidence that all the first born were killed either in Egypt nor by Herod. I think the Egyptians would have recorded such a calamity and the calamities of the plagues, but nothing. Was it all made up? There is real historical evidence of John the Baptist, but not of the greater Jesus. There is historical evidence of Apollonius of Tyana, who allegedly ascended to heaven, similar to Jesus, but there is no extra biblical evidence of Jesus during his lifetime. There is an historical record of Jesus Ben Pandira but, no Jesus the Galilean outside of the bible. Nothing. There’s Jesus ben Ananias, a rude peasant, who went around Jerusalem in 66CE prophesying its fall in 70CE; he’s recorded in documents outside the bible, but not the biblical Jesus. His alleged disciples never wrote anything they were uneducated peasants. Contemporaries never recorded his miracles nor his troublesome nature. The bible account says he was widely known and a divisive figure that the Romans never recorded. Neither did the Jews. And, the crucified were left to rot on the cross/pole on which they were hung as a warning to insurrectionists? No empty tomb, it’s a fiction to turn a myth into a “fact”. To turn a dead man or a fictional man into god. Pilate was, in real history, recorded history, a truly nasty contemptuous man, he would never have allowed a crucified body’s removal to undermine its purpose as a warning. And, the alleged trial is a tale of the blood cult of scapegoating. Even Barabbus was a literary device representing scapegoating, suggesting it never occurred. Barabbus means, son of the teacher, or son of the father. The gospel writers where representing the two characters as essentially the same, one became the goat sacrifice. And, the twist was that the Jews shouted to let the murderer go, allowing the blame for Jesus’s death to be placed on the Jews and not the imperial Romans. It was very much a political narrative because the Jews and Romans where essentially at war, the destruction of the Temple in 70AD/CE, and this new sect/cult needed to distinguish themselves from the Jewish troublemakers, and the ongoing violence of the time. Paul never knew Jesus and only depicted him as a spiritual vision. He knew nothing of the man and nothing of his life or his teachings. More evidence that the Chrestos (anointed) was mythical? The gospel writers are unknown. The church gave them names years later. The first time the gospels were mentioned was in 180AD/CE by Irenaeus. Indeed, a very prominent Christian, Theophilus of Antioch (Feast day 13 October, died circa 184 AD/CE) said that he came to believe in Jesus from reading the Jewish Scriptures or, Torah. No mention of the gospels, no quoting of anything Jesus allegedly said. That’s really odd because a conversation with a Christian today invokes quotes from the bible. Best date for the gospels is circa, 170-182 AD/CE. The myth of the god man Jesus was created over many years. Mark was first written, not until at least 70AD/CE, say Christian scholars but, as above, likely much later. No record of the star of Bethlehem, of graves emptying, or sky darkening. It’s fiction. No Mosses, Abraham, no Noah, no Flood. As for flying horses in the Quran, that’s straight out of Greek mythology. No one should believe such nonsense today.
Fascinating conversation. I felt the same way when I lost my dear mom, I always believed in God . When my mom died , I was in awe . We human being think we know it all…
Well, religious fundies tend to at least.
@@highroller-jq3ixAnyone with any level of critical thinking is going to want to know the truth about God or whether He exists or not. If you think you KNOW, you don’t understand how ignorant you are.
@@georgeorwell3501 every body can see the miracle of living. If you choose to ignore that, you are the ignorant one.
No, the only humans who think they know it all are religious nutjobs. Us agnostics simply say, "we don't know". Unfortunately, religious nutjobs make up the majority of our species and really seem to like breeding.
@@doritgomberg1683 the biggest problem with god is the stories from the 3 major religions don't make any sense. basically god knows the future and yet he makes a test cause satan doesn't listen to him while he is in heaven with god yet we get a blind faith tests and if you pick the wrong one you go to hell.
Really enjoyed this chat.
Thank you, Piers, for a marvellous program! I so enjoyed it!
What love about Stephen Meyer is that, he articulate, eloquent and detailed in his explanation. As the Body of Christ we thank God for raising such a scholars
He has no explanation. He has a belief and a theory. No one knows where man came from. We all have ideas, but no proof.
@@original.dwornboy He's explaining his belief and theory as a scientist and a Christian.
Well now I know your god is fake. That dudes dmb as hell
Both take faith, God gave us free will and we are to exercise it. The Creator gave us brains, heart, and a soul.
@@davidtrower1825Prove you have a soul
Stephen is an absolute gentleman and his ability to explain deep topics is phenomenal. He genuinely tries to search for the truth behind these theories and is always ready to listen to the counter arguments. Brilliant discussion.
Stephen is a hack who is laughed at by his own co workers and he has to jump on the discovery institute to platform his unsupported claims.
MrLinux etc: Actually, he is a liar for "Jesus". I do not like calling people liars, but there is no choice with this man.
Yeah, his ability to talk for hours about stuff he has no clue about is phenomenal... One of the best grifters out there:)
Fabulous conversation! Thanks for inviting such a wonderful guest and conducting a meaningful and genuine scientific talk.
Absolutely fascinating interview. The way I see it is, no one knows, so I’d err on the side of caution and try to be the best human being I can be. Put right my wrongs. Love unconditionally. Help others in every way I can. Just be a good, kind, non judgemental person and that’s all that matters at the end of the day. That way, you can die with no regrets. If there is a god, you’ve done good, if there isn’t, you’ve still done good.
Perfect audience, it probably need courage to talk to Piers, but this guy had that courage knowing who Piers really is. The conversation is going to change many hearts, and that is what God wants us to do.
100% Gds representatives to spread Devine knowledge. You have to be blind not to see
Amen ! God came down here to die for His own sinful creation by the first Adam, the second Adam was Jesus, and I pray The Lord that this video change many hearts to Jesus ,and yep EXACTLY what He wants us to do. He is spot on the ball pretty much with 'yje meaning of life ' it is to have a personal relationship WITH God ! Amen 🙂
Rubbish. Morgan allows this nonsense because he agrees. That entire thing could be picked apart in 5 seconds. Dawkins should have been part of that discussion. I love how they seamlessly go from, there must be a god, to, it is our god. There have been thousands of gods.
Which God? The one you worship? None of the other 9,999?
Courage? Why would you need courage to talk to someone who already agrees with every word you say?
My 95 yr old dad who past away 2019 saw his kid sister "my Aunt" who past away early 80's right before he died. A close friend of mine who died of cancer at home called his older teen kids and wife into his room. They asked what's wrong? He replied he just spoke to Jesus and was told to say good-bye to his family cause "your going home". He died 4 hours later.
I had a little brother die tragically when he just turned 20 years old. That was a couple years back. Nothing would make me more happier than to believe that this could be true for me. What an amazing story
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That’s a happy ending indeed.
And? I knew a Muslim who had similar experiences then died, my Atheist mate said he was ready to go and died after a long cancer battle. This is coincidence! Is no more than life and death doing what it does.
@jameswright... no need to be condescending. If you don't believe move on from the vid
Brilliant conversation. Thank you both.
Outstanding interview!! So respectful and well thought out. Well done Piers Morgan and Stephen Meyer.
I have enjoyed this discussion with Stephen Meyer the best of all of Piers' guests! Stephen was very clear in explaining his viewpoint and Piers allowed him, mostly, to finiish his train of thought. No yelling, interupting, calling names by guests etc. Just great conversation!
Mostly. He still couldn't help but interrupt at least 3 times. He basically prefers the sound of his own voice.
Well, Pierce Morgan only yells and interrups when his guests arn’t agreeing with him. In this case Pierce is a catholic and also believes in the prime mover. Watch the interview with Dawkins where he just couldn’t accept a world with out a god. Also why this interview is so sad, bevause he uses Meyers as a scientist in biology which he is not.
Pity everything he said was drivel. 🤮
Piers was such a fanboy! A proper talk show host knows how to control their own personal view and play the contrary position in a tough but respectful way.
It is interesting , that Jesus said ...."Except you become as a little child you can't enter the kingdom of God" , it Speaks of a Creator who understands that his creation at this stage of their understanding says , look my creation , they (Children) just trust that their parents will provide for them without knowing exactly how that will happen. what i see in stephen Meyer is a man with great understanding and intelligence , who understands it means nothing of worth except it is seasoned with "Humility" . The Apostle Paul the most prolific author (Inspired by God) of the books known as the New Testament said..."If ANY man thinks he knows something , he knows nothing" ....he also said " That I may know him (God) , and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;" This man (Paul) was a very intelligent man , and yet being humbled in his meeting with God forsook all he knew and knew he had to become a "servant of the most high", because it is only in this state you can truly KNOW GOD. When Stephen articulated The lead up and death of His mother he stressed more deeply the real life affect for himself of the experience than all they asked and answered before , because it was real to both of them , not just questions that can never be answered by the "Created ones " but real life experience of what every human will go through. What a shame that the very many of us only think about God when we are confronted with the death of a loved one and think about eternity at that time , only to leave that situation and never consider it again till the next funeral. The God who created you, also created the possibility of relationship , and wants you to enter into one with Him, if you can humble yourself , and believe that the act of Jesus dying for your sins happened , you can begin the walk of salvation with Him,, if you genuinely speak to him and confess your sins , ask for forgiveness you will be enlightened , and your life will never be the same.
Amen bro 🙏🏿
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The "God" that created me wasn't interested in me believing that Jesus died for my sins. He set it up so that it was impossible to believe that.
@@smolderingtitan that's the calvanist position which isn't biblical. Arminianism is much more compatible
I totally agree with you brother, wholeheartedly.
The problem of these types of conversations is that they lack a definition of which or what God they are discussing...there had been enough time for several human or intelligent "lifes" to be created/designed or developed that have either come and gone or are still among us with out our knowing.
Not a problem.
Stephen Meyer is absolutely awesome. God bless
This is one the best videos I've seen on KZhead
Are you new here?
Piers Morgan: “do you condemn the actions of Hamas on October the 7th?” *sir, this is a Wendy’s*
ROFL...nice one!
Normally I think these comments are silly but this is funny. I still stand with Israel.
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@@kelleygreengrassstanding with anybody forever is wrong. Only stand with universal principle
One of my favourite piers moments ever. Amazing interview. Good vibes. God is good. Alhamdullilah❤️
Piers Morgan is not the person who is qualified to push back against this fellow's blatant declarations. As has been done countless times before, he is desperately trying to wedge God into the ever-smaller gaps that science has not yet filled.
As an atheist, these are the kind of conversations that make me question myself. Love it.
How?
No really how? This was vdumb.
Are you serious?
This bloke has no proper education in biology. He’s basically a philosopher.
Educate yourself bro. We were not apes come on haha
I was in care when I was a kid, but around 7 years my siblings and I were sent to live with the most unruly person I know to date, my mother. One of her grooming methods was that she taught us how to shoplift, and I was great at it. I was shoplifting naturally for a number of years. At the age of 13 years old, I was left in a shop alone (as shopkeeper who never left the kids from our school alone either), and I remember to this very day thinking happy days and reaching for a sweet to knick, with no conscious or conscientious thoughts about God at the time (because my mother was no Christian, an alcoholic but no Christian), I heard a voice from no where telling me to put the sweet down, God is watching me. Never stolen since, and I have been living on my own since I was 15 years old and have had times when I had no money whatsoever. From care to homeless hostel, thanks to God just being there with kind instructions and no judgement, I never smoked, never drank (never been drunk in my life) and never done drugs. Also been ordered to not eat pork. Not that can I prove if God is there or not, it's more or less he has been there with me since I was 13 years old God whether I have wanted them or not. So I thank you Jesus, if I was left on the path my mother set me up on and the ragged road she tried to drop kick me on, without God I surely would have been a criminal with a liking to alcohol.
I absolutely love your story! I believe God sends guardians to help us. I personally had similar experiences as you. Kept me on the straight and narrow with knowing if I fell, I would be helped up. God Bless
Amen 🙏
No angels in Gaza. No angels protecting the students being bashed. Think about that
Wow what a beautiful story.
You are one of the miracles of God. God is with us all the time and so the devil and it looks like God puts you in the right bath, but the only brother with your faith in God is that you are mixing God and Jesus. God is the creator while Jesus is one of God's creation. Jesus is a very important prophet, but not a god. Please take the time to learn who God is and do some research.
This discussion is very special. My experience although unprovable and that of my family, has left me in absolutely no doubt that spirit lives on. I really enjoyed this video that shows humility and the desire to reach a logical understanding. 🖖
I'm looking forward to Alex O'Connor's (Cosmic Skeptic) dissection of this one.
I've delved extensively into trying to deal with the grief process due to various losses. Had never heard it said that grief helps us realize what's important in life. Gave it some meaning. I'm grateful for that.
Your lost loved ones are still alive, more alive than ever. You just can't interact with them on a three dimensional level. Your mind is not developed enough to conceive what is outside of your limitations. We still grieve the loss though. You should think of them as being on vacation. Before you know it, you be joining them on their heavenly excursion. The joy will be beyond belief. Remember God loves you and he will never abandon you.
@@karenwade2484 Sometimes it's good to offer comfort to those grieving. But what about Ecclesiastes 9:5 ????? *The dead know not any thing.* Just ignore that because it's the " Old Testament " ???????????????????????
@@piehound Exactly, the New Covenant establishes eternal life. Having had a near death experience I can validate that life, or the mind, the soul, consciouness, what ever you want to call it, continues after death. The point of Christ's resurrection.
@@karenwade2484 So you're telling me that near death is the same as being actually dead . . . and then coming back from death itself ???? If so, why not call it *Dead and Resurrected* ???? Also did a doctor issue a death certificate at your death experience ???? I'd like to know.
@@karenwade2484 It appears your mind is not developed enough to require good convincing evidence before accepting or rejecting the proposition of the existence of any afterlife.
My ex husband is an astrophysicist PhD; he would talk fondly on man named John Polkinghorne …a fellow theoretical physicist who became a vicar in the Church of England; he believed that science and religion address aspects of the same reality. Plenty of scientists believe in god!
Perhaps , but if they would use the scientific method to test god there would be no reason to believe. So maybe you could say part time scientists.
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No unless n until we will get the warp drive n literally drive to nearest stars @@familyb5800
@@Dogpool look up John Polkinghorne and know what you’re talking about. Equally Fred Hoyle … hardly part time scientists 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That’s actually what they always have done. Places like Oxford and Cambridge Universities were abbeys, let’s not forget. The premise of their studies was that if the material world is designed by a god who made us in his image and likeness then it should be understandable to us. And guess what, their hypothesis was true and every advancement of scientific understanding corroborates it.
Great interview!
Fantastic interview with Piers & Stephen Meyer. You must get him back again. Praise to God who made our universe.
The fact that God allows wars and bloodshed does not mean that God approves of them. Human beings with free will can do anything, but there will be an accountability.
That's precisely the kind of Medieval thinking that will set us back centuries and keep us all forever in the dark ages.
@@thesheffinator7124 Conveniently to theists, it means that mankind can exist under this 'free will' doing whatever it wants to do with exactly the same outcome as if gods didn't exist. Very clever!
@@thedubwhisperer2157 Not at all. Have you heard of the Ten Commandments? People who believe in the creator are wary about what they do. You, I and everyone are being watched all the time. The wicked will be judged along with the saints.
@@paulzheng7663 Utter rubbish.
There's no such thing as free will.
Dr. Meyer is so gracious, personable and level headed. So sorry to hear about the loss of his mother.
Well, except for all the pseudo-scientific babble and outright propaganda.
@@highroller-jq3ix at least he is trying and he's not judgemental. What are you doing beside playing devils advocate?
@@MaximillianTiberius At least he's trying to undermine legitimate science and quality education. You don't seem to understand what the term "devil's advocate" means. I'm advocating for truth, science, critical thinking, and rationality. Quit sniveling about being judgmental while being judgmental.
@@MaximillianTiberius At least he's trying to undermine legitimate science and quality education. You don't seem to understand what the term "devil's advocate" means. I'm advocating for truth, science, critical thinking, and rationality. Quit sniveling about being judgmental while being judgmental.
@@MaximillianTiberius At least he's trying to undermine legitimate science and quality education. You don't seem to understand what the term "devil's advocate" means. I'm advocating for truth, science, critical thinking, and rationality. Quit sniveling about being judgmental while being judgmental.
When my Grandma was on her death bed, she hadn’t spoke in weeks, then the second before she passed…. She said JESUS ❤❤❤
so now a living human being doesn't have to be dead to have audio/visual contact with these spiritual beings, seconds from death counts? but not minutes hours days or years?
Wow. What an intelligent and enlightening conversation. Thank you!!!
Can we have Richard Dawkins vs Stephen Meyer please?
my thought exactly
lol a discussion where neither side can prove a damn thing would be funny
@@maekklynproof is only for mathematics, but Meyer’s side has all the evidence.
@@CCCBeaumont Circumstantial evidence at best. The evidence he presents could also imply that another species created us and not a god. That is why evidence like that is extremely weak in court.
Meyer offered to debate him at a convention back in the early 2000’s but Dawkins refused, he knows deep down Meyer would expose the lies he’s been telling everyone about evolution.
What a fascinating and profound discussion. I’m very intrigued by Dr. Meyer’s book. Thanks for having him on your show.
Well as Shakespeare once said " you can't believe everything you hear on the internet "
"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool." Voltaire Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool. Mark Twain Napoleon once said," Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."
I’ve been an atheist my whole life, but I’m proud to admit that after watching this clip, I am now an evangelical Christian
Is this sarcasm?
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Deception is the nature of the beast.
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I paid my daughter to read and review Myers’ ‘Signature in the Cell’ with me and within a year after she decided to change her major from art to biochemistry, that’s how awesome his book and arguments are.
That's pretty cool.
And she's 6 years old!
Speaks more about her lack of critical thinking
No but you are@user-eo9dc5gs8k
@@beyamothspeaks more about people like you. Mad at God because He refused to do your bidding
"If there is a God it reopens that question of ultimate meaning. The French existentialists like Sartre used to say 'without an infinite reference point nothing has any lasting or enduring meaning'. But if there IS an infinite reference point, and that infinite reference point is personal, that is to say if the universe was created by a personal agent, who wants to know us, then the possibility of enduring meaning is again on the table."
NO GOD, NO JESUS CHRIST, NO BIBLE Arrogant, cruel, merciless, and hateful Atheists who HATE all Christians and insult and degrade them as worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected will definitely bring themselves nothing but their own dishonor, disgrace, downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS, worthless and useless dusts on earth forever. Arrogant, cruel, merciless, and hateful Christians who HATE all Atheists and insult and degrade them as worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected will definitely bring themselves nothing but their own dishonor, disgrace, downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS, worthless and useless dusts on earth forever. The IMPORTANCE of GOD, JESUS CHRIST, and the BIBLE Loving, kind, considerate, and respectful persons on earth who honor and obey Jesus Christ as their loving, kind, and merciful Master and Heavenly King and put their faith and hope in his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26 will definitely bring themselves honor and the loving, kind, and merciful GOD's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on Earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4. All human beings will just return to dusts after their deaths just like the animals as written in Ecclesiastes 3: 19, 20 but loving, kind, considerate, and respectful persons on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others will not remain as worthless dusts on earth forever, instead, in the right and proper time, GOD will let Jesus Christ RESURRECT them back to life so they can all happily and peacefully live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, compassions, generosities, favors, and blessings of GOD and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his GOD and Father's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
A beautiful quote
@@MrCallidus Just had to spell it out.
Isn't that a bit like saying "If there's a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow and if I was the first one to find it, then the possibility of endless wealth is again on the table."
@@seantaylor4095 No. It isn't like sauing that at all.
Dear Piers, you should have a head to head debate on these matters involving a hard scientist such as Neil and the same or a similar theist.
Lol Piers having the Schrodinger's cat arguments with dawkins just hilarious.
Even if you could call the Torah/bible/Quran evidence, it’s poor. If the bible is egregiously faulty then the main character’s existence is likely fantasy. If the existence of Yahweh/Allah is a fiction (Muslims believe in the first five books of the Old Testament) then the god man/prophet Jesus cannot stand, nor any Abrahamic Prophet, such as Muhammad. Faith (belief without evidence) based on the contents of the bible/Quran is suspect, for the following reasons… Of the Canaanite gods. El was the top god (sort of Roman Saturn) Ba’al (Jupiter) was next, then down the line was the war/storm god Yahweh (Mars). The Jews nicked him and made him the creator. The first line of the bible is clearly incorrect. The Earth was formed at least 9.8 billion years after the heavens. How did the creator get that wrong? And, the rest of the creation is wrong. It’s as if an ancient ignorant tribe wrote it all by themselves. And, it takes light 2.5 million years to travel from Andromeda to Earth. That alone makes the heavens much older than Earth. Another biblical example that it’s a man made fiction. There are no waters above the firmament. Heaven isn’t up there either, we’ve been there. The tribes of the Middle East wouldn’t have known oceans would be frozen but for the heat of the sun. Yet, in the biblical account, water filled the oceans and outer space, all with no sun, and the light that made up the day was created before the sun? The ancient Jews had no concept the sun caused day and night onto a rotating Earth. The moon isn’t a light. It’s fiction by an ignorant tribe with no access to a god creator. Adam was made from dirt by magic and he, this god, forgot about Eve, an afterthought. so not an all knowing and wise god then? Snakes and donkeys talk, nonsense fiction, right up there with Harry Potter, though JK Rowling was clearly a better writer with fewer continuity errors. This god set up Eve by placing this magic apple within her reach, before she knew right from wrong. Then punished humanity thereafter. What a vicious god, if not a fictional one. Nonsense fiction, by an ignorant ancient people writing about their mythology, their nation’s origins, steeped in the mists of the past, just the same as the Greek, Persian and Babylonian cultures write about their make believe gods who were equally fervently worshipped. Inanna, the dying and rising goddess was such an example, worshiped for 2,500 years. With more dying and rising gods in the lexicon of ancient myths. Virgin births were pretty common too. Romulus and Remus, twin founders of Rome, born of the virgin Rhea Silvia. In ancient Egypt, Ra (the Sun) was born of a virgin mother, Net; Horus was the son of the virgin Isis. The Phrygo-Roman god, Attis, was born of a virgin, Nana, on December 25. He went on to be killed and was resurrected. Adam and Eve’s children (as Eve was a clone of Adam) and grandchildren (as Cain, Able and Seth only had Eve to produce offspring or with their unknown sisters) could only have been produced by incest, then double incest, according to the biblical account. But, as Eve was a clone of Adam, there would be no genetic diversity. Such a lack of diversity would have meant the death of the human species, ask the Hapsburgs. But then, their created god wouldn’t have known about genetics? The Exodus didn’t happen according to all evidence, acknowledged by the Jewish archaeologists who have tried to find it. The Egyptians never wrote of their army being swallowed by the sea. Mosses may never existed. There is a massive amount of genocide in the bible by a god who failed to get the locals to behave. Genocide because the Israelites needed a land to make home. If a creator of the universe and humans could have just thought a new land, a new island, south of Cyprus, it would have appeared. Easy for a god, not so for an ancient tribe to pull off? Then, this god could have told these others how to behave and punished individuals, if that’s what was needed. But no, he went straight to mass murder. What? And, the greatest god in the universe was defeated by iron chariots: Judges1:19. That is so ridiculous, such a puny god. Or, is it because the story was a creation of a tribe that had no concept of future technologies or tactics to defeat these new Iron Age chariots? I’m sure that a human Napoleon type tactician could have done better. Genesis 19 tells us of Lot being raped by this daughters. And yet this god is moral? He could have changed the course of their predicament, found him a younger wife or servant to sleep with, if a god. More incest. No respect for genetics? A blood sacrifice barbaric religion. The books that were supposedly written by Mosses consist of a linguistic style that didn’t exist at the time of his “life”. It’s a fictitious narrative, written by the Jews to give their new nation an historical legitimacy, and unify them, in the midst of other powerful cultures in the Middle East. Didn’t help much though, they were constantly being invaded and subjugated by more powerful “gods” of other warring nations. Even Yahweh acknowledged there were other gods. Remember the Ten Commandments tablets that were conveniently broken and then without fuss, lost. An all powerful creator of the universe who missed the opportunity to create the tablets out of an advanced technology, Titanium or, something really exotic perhaps? Is that because the Jews didn’t know about such a thing with no understanding of the future? The forging and preservation of such a technology would have cemented the truth of their god. Broken conveniently disappeared stone tablets: clearly, no god involved. Noah and his flood occurred when the Egyptians where going about their cultural and religious practices that continued afterwards; and, their religion was not replaced by the flood family’s immediate ancestors, fanning out from the ark. The Pharaohs and their gods continued unabated. No Yahweh? More incest? Another genetic bottleneck? The Chinese culture and writing developed along a continuum and they too were never taken the religion of Yahweh from the Middle East, by Noah’s relatives. Odd, don’t you think? Do you think? And, the ancient Britons and Australians failed to notice they were meant to be dead. The New Testament, if it is read, critically, is inconsistent and evolves over time. Indeed, the gospels were not written for decades after the death of this Jesus, whose birth and death are still questionable and no date can be asserted with clarity. There’s no evidence that all the first born were killed either in Egypt nor by Herod. I think the Egyptians would have recorded such a calamity and the calamities of the plagues, but nothing. Was it all made up? There is real historical evidence of John the Baptist, but not of the greater Jesus. There is historical evidence of Apollonius of Tyana, who allegedly ascended to heaven, similar to Jesus, but there is no extra biblical evidence of Jesus during his lifetime. There is an historical record of Jesus Ben Pandira but, no Jesus the Galilean outside of the bible. Nothing. There’s Jesus ben Ananias, a rude peasant, who went around Jerusalem in 66CE prophesying its fall in 70CE; he’s recorded in documents outside the bible, but not the biblical Jesus. His alleged disciples never wrote anything they were uneducated peasants. Contemporaries never recorded his miracles nor his troublesome nature. The bible account says he was widely known and a divisive figure that the Romans never recorded. Neither did the Jews. And, the crucified were left to rot on the cross/pole on which they were hung as a warning to insurrectionists? No empty tomb, it’s a fiction to turn a myth into a “fact”. To turn a dead man or a fictional man into god. Pilate was, in real history, recorded history, a truly nasty contemptuous man, he would never have allowed a crucified body’s removal to undermine its purpose as a warning. And, the alleged trial is a tale of the blood cult of scapegoating. Even Barabbus was a literary device representing scapegoating, suggesting it never occurred. Barabbus means, son of the teacher, or son of the father. The gospel writers where representing the two characters as essentially the same, one became the goat sacrifice. And, the twist was that the Jews shouted to let the murderer go, allowing the blame for Jesus’s death to be placed on the Jews and not the imperial Romans. It was very much a political narrative because the Jews and Romans where essentially at war, the destruction of the Temple in 70AD/CE, and this new sect/cult needed to distinguish themselves from the Jewish troublemakers, and the ongoing violence of the time. Paul never knew Jesus and only depicted him as a spiritual vision. He knew nothing of the man and nothing of his life or his teachings. More evidence that the Chrestos (anointed) was mythical? The gospel writers are unknown. The church gave them names years later. The first time the gospels were mentioned was in 180AD/CE by Irenaeus. Indeed, a very prominent Christian, Theophilus of Antioch (Feast day 13 October, died circa 184 AD/CE) said that he came to believe in Jesus from reading the Jewish Scriptures or, Torah. No mention of the gospels, no quoting of anything Jesus allegedly said. That’s really odd because a conversation with a Christian today invokes quotes from the bible. Best date for the gospels is circa, 170-182 AD/CE. The myth of the god man Jesus was created over many years. Mark was first written, not until at least 70AD/CE, say Christian scholars but, as above, likely much later. No record of the star of Bethlehem, of graves emptying, or sky darkening. It’s fiction. No Mosses, Abraham, no Noah, no Flood. As for flying horses in the Quran, that’s straight out of Greek mythology. No one should believe such nonsense today.
That analogy about a cat (it’s not about a cat) is backed up by science. God is unproven.
Even if you could call the Torah/bible/Quran evidence, it’s poor. If the bible is egregiously faulty then the main character’s existence is likely fantasy. If the existence of Yahweh/Allah is a fiction (Muslims believe in the first five books of the Old Testament) then the god man/prophet Jesus cannot stand, nor any Abrahamic Prophet, such as Muhammad. Faith (belief without evidence) based on the contents of the bible/Quran is suspect, for the following reasons… Of the Canaanite gods. El was the top god (sort of Roman Saturn) Ba’al (Jupiter) was next, then down the line was the war/storm god Yahweh (Mars). The Jews nicked him and made him the creator. The first line of the bible is clearly incorrect. The Earth was formed at least 9.8 billion years after the heavens. How did the creator get that wrong? And, the rest of the creation is wrong. It’s as if an ancient ignorant tribe wrote it all by themselves. And, it takes light 2.5 million years to travel from Andromeda to Earth. That alone makes the heavens much older than Earth. Another biblical example that it’s a man made fiction. There are no waters above the firmament. Heaven isn’t up there either, we’ve been there. The tribes of the Middle East wouldn’t have known oceans would be frozen but for the heat of the sun. Yet, in the biblical account, water filled the oceans and outer space, all with no sun, and the light that made up the day was created before the sun? The ancient Jews had no concept the sun caused day and night onto a rotating Earth. The moon isn’t a light. It’s fiction by an ignorant tribe with no access to a god creator. Adam was made from dirt by magic and he, this god, forgot about Eve, an afterthought. so not an all knowing and wise god then? Snakes and donkeys talk, nonsense fiction, right up there with Harry Potter, though JK Rowling was clearly a better writer with fewer continuity errors. This god set up Eve by placing this magic apple within her reach, before she knew right from wrong. Then punished humanity thereafter. What a vicious god, if not a fictional one. Nonsense fiction, by an ignorant ancient people writing about their mythology, their nation’s origins, steeped in the mists of the past, just the same as the Greek, Persian and Babylonian cultures write about their make believe gods who were equally fervently worshipped. Inanna, the dying and rising goddess was such an example, worshiped for 2,500 years. With more dying and rising gods in the lexicon of ancient myths. Virgin births were pretty common too. Romulus and Remus, twin founders of Rome, born of the virgin Rhea Silvia. In ancient Egypt, Ra (the Sun) was born of a virgin mother, Net; Horus was the son of the virgin Isis. The Phrygo-Roman god, Attis, was born of a virgin, Nana, on December 25. He went on to be killed and was resurrected. Adam and Eve’s children (as Eve was a clone of Adam) and grandchildren (as Cain, Able and Seth only had Eve to produce offspring or with their unknown sisters) could only have been produced by incest, then double incest, according to the biblical account. But, as Eve was a clone of Adam, there would be no genetic diversity. Such a lack of diversity would have meant the death of the human species, ask the Hapsburgs. But then, their created god wouldn’t have known about genetics? The Exodus didn’t happen according to all evidence, acknowledged by the Jewish archaeologists who have tried to find it. The Egyptians never wrote of their army being swallowed by the sea. Mosses may never existed. There is a massive amount of genocide in the bible by a god who failed to get the locals to behave. Genocide because the Israelites needed a land to make home. If a creator of the universe and humans could have just thought a new land, a new island, south of Cyprus, it would have appeared. Easy for a god, not so for an ancient tribe to pull off? Then, this god could have told these others how to behave and punished individuals, if that’s what was needed. But no, he went straight to mass murder. What? And, the greatest god in the universe was defeated by iron chariots: Judges1:19. That is so ridiculous, such a puny god. Or, is it because the story was a creation of a tribe that had no concept of future technologies or tactics to defeat these new Iron Age chariots? I’m sure that a human Napoleon type tactician could have done better. Genesis 19 tells us of Lot being raped by this daughters. And yet this god is moral? He could have changed the course of their predicament, found him a younger wife or servant to sleep with, if a god. More incest. No respect for genetics? A blood sacrifice barbaric religion. The books that were supposedly written by Mosses consist of a linguistic style that didn’t exist at the time of his “life”. It’s a fictitious narrative, written by the Jews to give their new nation an historical legitimacy, and unify them, in the midst of other powerful cultures in the Middle East. Didn’t help much though, they were constantly being invaded and subjugated by more powerful “gods” of other warring nations. Even Yahweh acknowledged there were other gods. Remember the Ten Commandments tablets that were conveniently broken and then without fuss, lost. An all powerful creator of the universe who missed the opportunity to create the tablets out of an advanced technology, Titanium or, something really exotic perhaps? Is that because the Jews didn’t know about such a thing with no understanding of the future? The forging and preservation of such a technology would have cemented the truth of their god. Broken conveniently disappeared stone tablets: clearly, no god involved. Noah and his flood occurred when the Egyptians where going about their cultural and religious practices that continued afterwards; and, their religion was not replaced by the flood family’s immediate ancestors, fanning out from the ark. The Pharaohs and their gods continued unabated. No Yahweh? More incest? Another genetic bottleneck? The Chinese culture and writing developed along a continuum and they too were never taken the religion of Yahweh from the Middle East, by Noah’s relatives. Odd, don’t you think? Do you think? And, the ancient Britons and Australians failed to notice they were meant to be dead. The New Testament, if it is read, critically, is inconsistent and evolves over time. Indeed, the gospels were not written for decades after the death of this Jesus, whose birth and death are still questionable and no date can be asserted with clarity. There’s no evidence that all the first born were killed either in Egypt nor by Herod. I think the Egyptians would have recorded such a calamity and the calamities of the plagues, but nothing. Was it all made up? There is real historical evidence of John the Baptist, but not of the greater Jesus. There is historical evidence of Apollonius of Tyana, who allegedly ascended to heaven, similar to Jesus, but there is no extra biblical evidence of Jesus during his lifetime. There is an historical record of Jesus Ben Pandira but, no Jesus the Galilean outside of the bible. Nothing. There’s Jesus ben Ananias, a rude peasant, who went around Jerusalem in 66CE prophesying its fall in 70CE; he’s recorded in documents outside the bible, but not the biblical Jesus. His alleged disciples never wrote anything they were uneducated peasants. Contemporaries never recorded his miracles nor his troublesome nature. The bible account says he was widely known and a divisive figure that the Romans never recorded. Neither did the Jews. And, the crucified were left to rot on the cross/pole on which they were hung as a warning to insurrectionists? No empty tomb, it’s a fiction to turn a myth into a “fact”. To turn a dead man or a fictional man into god. Pilate was, in real history, recorded history, a truly nasty contemptuous man, he would never have allowed a crucified body’s removal to undermine its purpose as a warning. And, the alleged trial is a tale of the blood cult of scapegoating. Even Barabbus was a literary device representing scapegoating, suggesting it never occurred. Barabbus means, son of the teacher, or son of the father. The gospel writers where representing the two characters as essentially the same, one became the goat sacrifice. And, the twist was that the Jews shouted to let the murderer go, allowing the blame for Jesus’s death to be placed on the Jews and not the imperial Romans. It was very much a political narrative because the Jews and Romans where essentially at war, the destruction of the Temple in 70AD/CE, and this new sect/cult needed to distinguish themselves from the Jewish troublemakers, and the ongoing violence of the time. Paul never knew Jesus and only depicted him as a spiritual vision. He knew nothing of the man and nothing of his life or his teachings. More evidence that the Chrestos (anointed) was mythical? The gospel writers are unknown. The church gave them names years later. The first time the gospels were mentioned was in 180AD/CE by Irenaeus. Indeed, a very prominent Christian, Theophilus of Antioch (Feast day 13 October, died circa 184 AD/CE) said that he came to believe in Jesus from reading the Jewish Scriptures or, Torah. No mention of the gospels, no quoting of anything Jesus allegedly said. That’s really odd because a conversation with a Christian today invokes quotes from the bible. Best date for the gospels is circa, 170-182 AD/CE. The myth of the god man Jesus was created over many years. Mark was first written, not until at least 70AD/CE, say Christian scholars but, as above, likely much later. No record of the star of Bethlehem, of graves emptying, or sky darkening. It’s fiction. No Mosses, Abraham, no Noah, no Flood. As for flying horses in the Quran, that’s straight out of Greek mythology. No one should believe such nonsense today.
Oh - this bloke is awesome.... Saw him on a science show debating Creation vs Evolution and he had solid points..
Brilliant interview. Thank you. I liked the part where Mr Meyer expressed the purpose of life as one developing a relationship with God. In truth, when one does, one finds purpose and meaning in the smallest of things. The sheer symmetry of petals on a flower, the symbiosis of insects with specific plants, when a tiny seed can grow into living food, and on into the greater things where undamaged ecosystems perpetuate themselves endlessly. I so enjoyed this discussion. Again. Thank you.
I agree -- just today, I live in a forest, I was enjoying watching our many trees filling out with beautiful new leaves and wondering at how just a few weeks ago the trees were bare, like sticks, gray and barren and then simultaneously they changed. Where did those beautiful leaves come from and where did the energy and materials come from and in such a timely fashion? It is a miracle, really. They create and it is incredible if you stop and think about it! Beautiful.
@@RosemaryStudy It is in the natural beauty that is around us daily that I see the majesty of the Creator of Life.
Yes - so beautiful.@@reinemarais4392
Yeah exactly ✝️
Can this man PROVE That God Exists? Short answer: Absolutely not when the man in question is Stephen Meyer.
24:48 yes we do have answers and the ones we haven't answered dont mean "god did it'. Actually weve invented numerous gods to explain things but not once has anything ever turned out to be "god did it".
Well, it doesn’t mean god didn’t do it either. So far the only explanation for the origin of matter and fine tuning is a powerful intelligence that exists outside space, time and matter. Whether you want to call it “God” or something else, it is as far as we know the only explanation, so why not embrace it? When Darwin came out with his theory to explain the appearance of the different species, which today is being debunked, did people say: “well it’s not because we don’t know how all living thing’s appeared that natural selection is true”, no, they embraced it. So, if all evidence points to an intelligent creator, then the reason why 49% of scientists in America and a portion of the population still refuse to even give a chance that “God” exists is because they do not want to be accountable to anyone or anything for their actions, plain and simple.